EQUUEST: She scammed everyone

[@YTRattle]

I sincerely hope the devs and artists can one day get together and make this game a proper reality! Thank you to all of them for helping me with this video! ♥ If you do want to help out, please report this page so that Shoe doesn't ever start another one: www.kickstarter.com/projects/equuest/equuest-valley-of-the-winds/description

[@AmeliaDreambell]

will the horsie gods ever give us a horse game without some kind of absurd controversy

[@hxezmad7023]

Rival stars bb

[@SunsetEnvy]

Horse life on roblox is decent and seems to not have any drama etc yet. It's still in beta though.

[@Aimee0206]

Alicia Online is pretty non-controversial

[@milo-horses-yt]

@@Aimee0206 Alicia Online's chat is full of s3x!sm, h0mophob!a, and other hateful comments/interactions. I saw a minor being asked about 18+ stuff. And the whole atmosphere of the chat is always negative or bullying.

[@CL0UD3D.]

@@SunsetEnvy shhh shhh you mustn't jinx it lest we lose another one....

[@lawliet8396]

I feel like people are starved for good equestrian/horse games nowadays that you have grifters taking advantage of that and stringing people along just for a quick buck and a seemingly planned getaway afterwards too. No joke. This is something that's been more and more prevalent lately in the gaming industry as a whole but this is just yikes.

[@YTRattle]

Any sort of niche community is very susceptible to this. Big companies won't make their games, so they rely on smaller, indie developers to do so. Unfortunately, this means they have to put their faith in all kinds of people - not all of them having the best intentions.

[@lawliet8396]

@@YTRattle If you've seen The Day Before fiasco that happened 5 months ago then this is nothing new or out the ordinary. In fact given the current state of gaming, i think it's more favourable to just stick to the old games and by that i mean horses included. Because games that were released years and years back like Petz Horsez for example are much more compelling than anything released in todays standards - most of what I've seen at least. Also keeping the expectations low is a good way to not end up disappointed in the first place.

[@sophiamayo4457]

When stuff like this happens, it makes me appreciate games like WolfQuest and Stardew Valley all the more. Not because of the genre of the game, but rather what the devs are doing. Creating a good-quality product, keeping up with bugs, listening to players, and keeping them regularly informed should be common sense. It's the foundation of what people want when they check out a new game. But companies like Star Stable and EA act like it's rocket science.

[@theConcernedWyvern]

Satisfactory has absolutely legendary community management. I've never been lost, confused or frustrated at the development. It's amazing.

[@JustARandomInternetUserHere]

I'm a gamedeveloper and the sad truth is that horse games in general aren't as profitable as other types of games, while also being hard to develop. For the amount of work that goes into a 3D horsegame, you can make two less difficult games that peform better. So at the end of the day... they're all passion projects. This isn't nessecarily a bad thing, but limited funding, inexperienced people and a long development time don't exactly help the genre.

[@X3nophiliac]

i get really cautious when i see stuff like "support the ALL FEMALE dev team". like that sounds super corporate and disingenuous to me (branded that way on the kickstarter 0:33) as a woman thats made a game(as a senior capstone project lol) i see stuff like that and i get worried.

[@Foervraengd]

Yeah, in many cases all that does is paint a bad picture whenever women (or poc or lgbtqa+) mess up.

[@mynameskris]

it literally sounds like something a terf would put on their page to attract other terfs. i dont know if that was the intention, but it happens common enough to where i wouldnt be surprised if that was the case.

[@huntermoonhearth]

With every scam in the horse lover community they will get more and more hesitant to fund horse game projects, always such a shame to see.

[@DBZgeek2000]

Either more hesitant or more desperate depending on who you talk to (and depending on how crazy they are /j)

[@Jiminfy]

exactly, they’re ruining a very special community

[@compassrose1466]

I already feel this with cottagecore/cozy games it’s been BAD with that genre. Gameloft kicked the genre getting big again with Dreamlight Valley, even if not crowdfunded, now the big contender is Puffpals who is too focused on selling plushies instead of making the game that was supposed to release this year :(

[@DBZgeek2000]

@@compassrose1466 I agree with you on the Dreamlight route. Been playing that since about a year ago and been enjoying it. Granted, that's about the only cozy game I really play outside the (very) few times I get on Palia xD

[@sadfatdragon9529]

It doesn't hurt just horse related games it hurts every kickstarter game. Good games have been born on kickstarter where they wouldn't have had a chance anywhere else and when you get bad apples like Shoe it hurts other projects by actual passionate and competent devs.

[@smooothoperatorrrr]

WAKE UP Y’ALL NEW RATTLE VIDEO JUST DROPPED 🗣️🗣️🗣️

[@flufflewarrior]

Right here!

[@YTRattle]

LOLLOL! ♥♥

[@GoldenFieldsSchleich]

I’m awake!❤

[@Solaceon]

Haha it's like Rattle Pokémon for horse girls! Thank you, algorithm! ❤️

[@threatenthemoon]

This is why I don't get my hopes up...

[@YTRattle]

We have been burned a LOT

[@cliflex]

yep. every second horse game announcement is a scam at this point. I don't believe any of them and don't follow any of them. Unless and until they actually release a fully playable games

[@AdventureHusky]

The lesson learned isn't don't fund horse games, its wait till the team has something substantial to show and if they're meeting goals and giving updates then fund it.

[@hellsreek]

oh boy new horse game video immediately when i started eating

[@YTRattle]

Perfect timing! 👌😂

[@coyoteclockworkstudios3140]

I'm trying to do some anthro horse BJDs that you can 3D print, and hire a 3D modeler. I pitched the idea to the Reddit BJD community, and got such a ration of shit for it was unbelievable. How I couldn't do it, how it was a bad idea, cheap and stupid. Hearing about how someone could fund through a Kickstarter and work through volunteers, not even paying people, and lying for ages, make me so annoyed that I got bitched out for trying to get funds to, y'know, PAY an artist.

[@sharka7145]

Posting on R×ddit was your first mistake. Lol Sounds like a pretty interesting idea, though!

[@moonlightwite]

People on Reddit can be incredibly rude. A BJD of a horse that isn't a centaur sounds really cool. I don't see how it would be a bad idea as long as all the parts fit together correctly and the materials are durable.

[@coyoteclockworkstudios3140]

@@moonlightwite Yeah, I'm doing some anthro horsie dolls. Save the date, it'll go up June 5th!

[@AugustQ-p1w]

Redditors consistently have the worst takes imaginable on everything, frankly. As a BJD fan, anthro horse BJDs sound awesome! I always love to see dolls that aren't just generically pretty humans, tbh. And there's nothing wrong with 3d printed dolls.

[@cephalonaural6854]

I feel really bad for the artist getting railed by DMs from backers.. I HATE when people take it out on people who aren’t responsible

[@Dubstequtie]

There are people in this world who when angry (or even if they never put money into it in the first place) have fun misfiring at everyone. A lot of the people band-wagon on the hate train for the sake of vent, entertainment, and trolling. They don't care who it's too, as long as it's in the general direction the hate train is aimed at. Sadly, the dev team is the target. It SHOULD have been just Shew.. but as we know, it wasn't... :/

[@darkunykorn404]

Honestly seeing all these massive scams and terrible things happen makes me respect the likes of ConcernedApe so much more. Bro bit the bullet, sat down and made a banger by himself. Took him five whole years, throughout which I'm sure things were NOT easy, but he did it. If I ever sit down to make my own horse game(s), I want to be like him. No Patreon, no Kickstarter, just myself. And if things go tits up for whatever reason it's on me, not anyone else. (And the irony is that Stardew Valley inspired a lot of shovelware and scams riding the high of its success too... shame shame shame.)

[@vyvisabastard]

whats even more impressive is that he actually managed to be successful. and not just successful, one of the most successful indie game devs of all time. truly a lightning in a bottle moment. its unlikely we will ever see something like that happen again, even teams of well established game companies struggle. he started developing stardew as a proof of concept though. he didnt really sit down and decide to make it how it is now until it became a passion project for him and wanted to update assets for the game. browser games are also different than downloadable video games. you need a team of people otherwise moderating the website with potentially thousands of users becomes impossible. toyhouse has this problem, i think only one person is moderating it atp

[@dweebicusmaximus]

To be fair, his gf actually paid for everything and supported him throughout the entire thing, according to him. think about that. He already had a stable enough financial situation that he didn't need to work. Claiming he did it by himself is absolutely false. He was not working. He was NOT supporting himself. She was supporting his passion project. So to be like CA you'd need a rich romantic partner who's cool with you making your passion project for five years with no financial support. Since most people don't have that, they use Kickstarter or Patreon. You are not better than other devs for saying you'll refuse to get any financial help. From what you've said, you may not even be a dev, just someone who wants to dev and has no idea the realities of the work. You certainly aren't better than CA, who HAD financial backing and has actually produced the game he dreamed of. We need to kill the idea of the lone unsupported genius and realize "oh that guy literally just had someone else paying his bills and nothing to do but develop his game, no wonder he got it done'

[@vyvisabastard]

@@dweebicusmaximus my comment got game ended by youtube for some odd reason but yeah, what CA is a lightning in a bottle moment. he got incredibly stupidly lucky, not only getting the support from his gf, but also managing to make one of the most successful indie titles of all time. what he did is a pipe dream for most people working in the entertainment industry. around 95% of projects just die, and thats it. you will never see those ideas come to fruition. whats irritating is that this could have been such a massive success, there is a market and people wanted this to happen. but it all fell apart in the end due to negligence, greed, and lack of communication. theres no shame in working with a team but the lead didnt do their due diligence and it cost the people who supported this. both mentally and financially.

[@darkunykorn404]

@@vyvisabastard Thing is, dreams are dreams are dreams and most of them will never happen. It's why I wouldn't want to involve third parties (and to be strictly fair, I wouldn't want to do what CA did either and depend wholly on someone else, but at least he came out the other side -- and, presumably, his GF was there and aware of the happenings, not getting news from a Discord). I personally would feel horrible about involving a lot of people into realizing my dream and them leaving them holding an empty bag that I can't possibly fill because turns out my dream was not viable. That's what happens with many if not most Kickstarter projects. And yes, I'm a dev. Have been for 15 years. Which is 100% why I wouldn't want to involve strangers (a team of like-minded people who are there with me on the daily is one thing, it's the "strangers investing money and counting on me" that I have an issue with, and I'm perfectly aware that it's 100% a 'me' problem). If I ever did, I'd want to have at least *something* workable to show beforehand, and a reasonable expectation that I can take it to the finish. I'd die of anxiety otherwise.

[@InkGraffiti]

As rude as this might sound to some.. if you're the official host of a game on a discord about the game filled with people who support that game.. Keep the announcements about the game. Supporters don't need your personal life updates. That benefits no one and in fact harms some as I'd wager heavily that the daughter does not want a bunch of random people ALSO being kept informed about her mental health status. It's extremely unprofessional and I've always hated when game devs do this ( this of course assuming that all the problems were not lies in the first place )

[@eclipsedbadger]

8:07 this gave me flashbacks to the furry fandom. I had been a furry for 20 years, and they have a sickening obsession to "that's alright!", "let's not bring drama into this obvious problem!" and more. It makes any real change impossible, any critique to say a furry convention or a furmeet organizer impossible. Makes it really hard to call out people that are awful trash that might be, you know, abusers or PDF files. Everyone is trying to cover the sun with a finger and try to "be positive"...but truth is, anger is the answer you have when you are being treated unjustly, anger is a valid emotion and calling out someone (in this case the mods and the developers and more) IS valid, important and absolutely necessary for things to actually work! This video was really good, and I'm sorry for the horse games community who had been waiting for a good game for YEARS. I'm sorry people might be abusing the need to scam! :(

[@CatOperated]

Yeah, I’ve been around since the 90s and it really never changes.

[@vvitch-mist20]

It feels weird to be like "I'm having a difficult time" and then post on social media about how awesome your summer is going. I know social media being what it is, is apart of this disconnect, but at the same time like maybe she should have stepped away from social media entirely.

[@SalamanderMoon]

Just wanted to mention that at 4:47 you say the code was written in Java, but the screenshot shows that the code was written in (mostly) PHP and JavaScript. Java is not on that screenshot (JavaScript and Java are _very_ different languages!) Of those two, PHP is the relevant outdated language, and it makes up about 41% of the project. Though PHP is still used in many places, it's being phased out for JavaScript and modern JS-based frameworks (like React, which is what they decided to switch to.) It's small, but accuracy re. coding things is very important to me so I wanted to mention that :] I would wager that their thought process was that fully-JavaScript code would be more maintainable long-term, especially if the new team didn't know much PHP and if they were already scrapping most of the project. Can't say I agree with their decision, though! (I also have to wonder if it was a case of "I'm new and I can do this better so I'm going to redo it all", which can happen sometimes when you get new heads of development.) In any case, sounds like the project was being run unprofessionally overall, so I suppose I'm not surprised it went down. Once you're on Kickstarter and/or dealing with thousands of dollars in funding, it's not just some little part-time project anymore and shouldn't be treated as such. Sucks that it happened though. Hopefully everyone is able to get their money back!

[@retro-porygon]

PHP isn't an outdated language by itself though, it is still actively maintened and solid when used in a framework like Laravel. It just has bad fame thanks to the inumerous websites running old and vulnerable versions of PHP (thanks, wordpress) It's like judging modern javascript by how many websites still uses jquery

[@SalamanderMoon]

@@retro-porygon That's fair, thanks for pointing that out! I was mostly trying to stick to the same wording in the screenshot of the Discord message (where they did call the language outdated, though Rattle substitutes that for "unusable"), and (admittedly) parroting professors of mine who deride it as outdated compared to JS. I'm not sure if Equuest was using a modern framework (at which point I see little reason to scrap _all_ of the code) or just raw PHP, but I suppose we won't ever know that for sure.

[@retro-porygon]

@@SalamanderMoon I get your point! PHP is very infamous and I did have a similar experience with professors and developers alike talking badly about PHP, it is memed like hell after all and I used to join in the making fun until I actually decided to learn it and try it myself. As it turns out, PHP is very popular for small freelance projects and volunteer gigs for non-profit organizations and can be a solid choice for modern web development, it's just that years ago it was what we had for web server development and as a result there's a lot of bad, unclean and unsecure legacy PHP code on the internet. Cleaning up and migrating legacy code is not a fun task so that might be why people rather avoid languages with such reputation. I even hear about people avoiding listing for Java jobs for that exact same reason. Nowadays we also have a lot of other sophisticated options for back-end development (Java with Springboot, NestJs with Typescript, Ruby-on-rails and much more) which are more popular and learning resources are much more accessible than decades ago. Developers are very passionate when it comes to defending their chosen languages and sometimes put all other languages down. As for Equuest, no clue. No language, framework nor skilled team of developers could save bad management

[@BookwormOfTheFantasy]

bad day + rattle video = good day good day + rattle video = even better day

[@mushroomsrcool1449]

Just watch 2 and you're good to go, then! XD

[@farli]

One thing I hope the other devs and artists do going forwards is to never EVER work for free, not even for friends. ensuring that you have a contract covering you legally is important.

[@maryamdear2122]

Real friends pay friends for their work!!

[@arielelixir]

So let me get this straight, Shoe got that shmonies, contributed nothing and then tried to go on a permanent vacation with it, nice.

[@UmbraBorealis]

Thanks for supplying me with a handy checklist of what NOT to do when developing a horse game or...any game really, for that matter. Jokes aside, I never had the pleasure of playing through horse isle 1 but I'm intigued now. My bestie is a programmer. No promises but if I do end up doing something with the idea after this wound's healed, ya sure as hell wont find me on Patreon. I miss the age of free online games man :(

[@C6BaizhuHaver]

Literally went “Seriously? Again?”

[@YTRattle]

😂😂 Again! XD

[@Lumpybag]

the way animal sims have the worst devs ever is honestly wild to me- like why

[@LWolf94]

I have probably commented on this before, probably in the last video, but yeah. Switching your product from one technology (programming language or framework) to another, once the code has been majorly done, is a HUGE undertaking, and not something that should be considered lightly, no matter what the situation is. It can lead to huge delays, a whole new slew of issues and lots of other drawbacks. It's literally the reason why so many companies have products or services that use the so called "legacy" code, a.k.a. technology or practices that are not common or used anymore, but the product has been around and developed so much it would be too big of a hassle to refactor it into something new. Prime example would be projects that still utilize Classes from React (JavaScript based framework). Classes, though still useful have gone out of style and use quite some time ago, but you still see a lot of legacy code using them, and if you happen to be assigned to work on such a project, you will have to learn how to work with it, not just switch it out for something else.

[@medea27]

100% - the issue of legacy systems is huge in the corporate space, as technology moves much faster than projects can deliver on industry trends. What a lot of people don't realise is that in the 12-24 months it takes to get projects off the ground & moving you're already working with "dated" technology, and the longer your development time the older that core language/framework will be at release... making your initial tech decisions critical. Even migrating work between versions of the same software can create all sorts of issues that take a lot of time & money to iron out... that's why so many devs are choosing to still release their games in Unreal Engine 4 despite UE5 being out for two years. There are a lot of secondary considerations that factor in, like the minimum PC/console performance requirements & missing the market trends if it takes too long to get the game released. So I wince every time I hear a project like this talking about moving or migrating from one technology to another after a significant amount of the work has been done.... it's never simple, straightforward or pain-free. Never.

[@LWolf94]

@@medea27 Couldn't agree more. It's a huge pain, so when situations like that happen or are requested all of a sudden, it's almost always a red flag that things aren't right.

[@TheFifthRider]

Only halfway through but this situation already sounds awful 😬 Truly hoping the people that supported this get their money back

[@YTRattle]

Ooo, me too! ♥

[@SAMMYTASTISCH]

Love the Ōkami gameplay!!! Ahhhh the nostalgia!

[@YTRattle]

I LOVE Okami! Played the heck outta that game as a kid!

[@allace8735]

ME TOO! I honestly thought for a while that I had made it up as a kid because nobody I knew had played it 😂

[@SAMMYTASTISCH]

@@YTRattle Me too! The art style and painting stuff for fighting? My inner artist was blown away! I love it to this day!

[@Just_A_Wandering_Star]

And this is exactly why I don't agree with Kickstarters for video games. Whether or not we like it, video games is a business, just as much as it is an art. It takes money to make a game. Any company claiming they're making a game, but asking for money and free work should not be trusted. Also. DON'T WORK FOR FREE. I understand how people want to support games they're interested in, but PLEASE. Games are still a business. Never work for free. Edit to add: This doesn't include games that already have a good chunk of gameplay finished. There should be something people can actually play before they decide to invest.

[@AugustQ-p1w]

I kind of disagree, tbh. I mean, I agree that you shouldn't work for free, and shouldn't throw your money at any project that looks neat with nothing more than a proof of concept, but a lot of kickstarter games aren't made by companies, they're made by indie devs who don't have the money to make anything by themselves. How are they supposed to get "a good chunk of gameplay" done if they don't have any funding? As an aspiring dev with no money myself, what you're describing is impossible.

[@Just_A_Wandering_Star]

@@AugustQ-p1w Funny thing, that. Plenty of indy games have already accomplished making games in that way.

[@taigatanfan_]

I feel like It’s always a 50/50 gamble when it comes to kickstarter, projects will either get dropped or you get scammed. And a few rare times a promised project actually gets finished. Always be cautious until they have something substantial to show, but even then there aren’t always a guarantee

[@HanaLoose]

I doubt humanity will ever see the day a good horse game is made, the whole genre consists of either soulless cashgrabs, or controversial failures, the few diamonds in the rough are incredibley underrated or unseen and it seems for now the community is stuck with Star stable online... Sad to say the least. The genre is one of the least popular in gaming and things such as these make it so much worse. I don't ussually like to talk about the perdicament of horse gaming in this, macabre, way, but it seems we're only headed downhill.

[@justaponyyy]

question, what are features you would like to see in a horse game? i'm not skilled enough to dev a whole game all by myself but it's what i'm currently learning at uni, with some minor projects i've already done.

[@HanaLoose]

@@justaponyyy Thanks for your reply, in general id like to see horse games implement real horses (Such as kicking, nickering) accurate models , and more accurate training for your horses in which you have to “Bond” with your horses and slowly but surely unlock new skills such as jumping, galloping and special gaits for horse breeds such as the Capriole from the Lippizaner!

[@justaponyyy]

@@HanaLoose the hard thing about horses in games is the crazy physics of their legs. so basically you would like it to be like leaning how to do certain things with your horse as youd do irl?

[@HanaLoose]

@@justaponyyy Thats basically what i would do, tho im obviously not a developer of any kind, i understand that animation of hooved animals in general can be fairly difficult given their complexity! =)

[@grumpysketch5607]

Why does this always happen with games that involve horses, dinosaurs or dragons :, ) especially if they're started on kickstarter

[@Managable_Mayhem]

Yep. THIS is precisely why I do not support games anymore: Even if it looks like everybody is throwing in effort, things can still turn to poop and your money is someone else's to enjoy for a starbucks coffee or traveling around. And games are not the only thing this can happen with, also comics and other stuff. I think ONE single person being in charge is never a good idea for these things btw. Especially not if the person is making it clear that getting things done in a timely manner with the goal of actually making progress in a certain time frame and more is simply NOT priority for them. Throw in the fact there were many things happening supposedly and things getting delayed and then sudden 'vacation' pictures being found: This just yells scamming in the most blatant ways. I would not be surprised if this was another one of those people that found the idea nice, suddenly noticed how much work and RESPONSIBILITY is coming their way and then they saw the money and thought: Well, not my problem, let's abandon this~. This would NOT be the first time and it will not be the last. And this is precisely why I will never support games or other projects unless I fully know the person is capable of finishing their workload. This is such a giant shame. The art was so lovely and the fact we lack even good browser horsegames made me very excited for this. Also: If a project does not stress naming deadlines and/or alters the few it does indeed name: DO NOT SUPPORT IT NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU LIKE IT. This is SUCH a giant redflag. Please do not waste your money or give it to scammers to enjoy for luxuries in their life. It is not worth it. EDIT: I pity the other team members who really tried hard to make things work and got so betrayed. I hope it doesn't keep them from trying again someday. At least they tried, even if the person in charge did not. I wish them all the best.

[@saltshakerstudio2190]

Idk how I got here since I don’t play any horse games and I didn’t watch the first but I enjoyed it all the same, you have a lovely voice 😊, happy to to be a new subscriber

[@Ray-dar]

I love using Rattle's videos as background noise to fall asleep too. Her voice is oddly soothing.

[@stonedchevy]

This is why I never back games anymore, which sucks cuz there are a very few good ones out there actaully trying, but those bad majority have ruined it.

[@WoodlandGloom]

Two of my most looked forward-to games were cancelled :( One was due to EA being a bitch about the American McGee Alice series and not letting him do anything with it while refusing to do anything with it themselves (SO GLAD I wasn't able to fund it then because I would have wasted massive amounts of money) and the other was cancelled due to the Dev having immense health issues. I WANT to back games but with how many developers either give up or have situations outside of their control happening, I can't afford to waste any extra money since I make minimum wage.

[@camillea4665]

Wonderful video. But I have to say, because it's a huge pet peeve: Java =/= Javascript. These are two different coding languages, where Java is a coding software for games and applications while Javascript is only the front end like websites. Both heavily time consuming however.

[@hestrial1042]

*Runs over with popcorn and a drink* ANOTHER RATTLE VIDEO! Woo! 🥰

[@YTRattle]

Wooot! :D :D

[@baddidea4863]

Rattle Mordheim Gameplay?? Based. One of my favorite games, lol. I'm not really in the horse game community at all, but the way you deliver info and relay events is really helpful. I always rush to check these vids when they drop because I love hobby drama.

[@mobztar]

Sorry if this is weird, but you have a satisfying voice to listen to. This was a really good review and im excited to check out more videos!! :D

[@Pinja04]

i remember when i heard about this game first time, my reaction was this gotta be a scam because they were promising so much with only some art to show for it. also to me it was big red flag that they had 10+ people working on the game but they arent getting payed... like the kickstarter was 10k and making games is really expensive so are they just expecting people to do fulltime job and then also do basically another job for free

[@Ari-vt7pv]

I haven't watched it yet but great job with the video! High quality as alwaysb

[@legacera]

That November 27 discord chat scrolling underneath the featured posts was a wild read, lol. Asking legitimate questions and expressing concern (possibly on behalf of those who are concerned, but don't know what to ask)?--- "You're not a backer, that's drama! Mute to you!"😅

[@yvonnehawkstone980]

What game is in the background at 12:20? I doubt that it will be sth like coty lf the dead as stated in the desceiption '^^

[@yvonnehawkstone980]

@lexwaldorf5202 Found ittt! Star Equestrian!!!

[@Cherryblanket..sso_485]

Honestly, they know that we are so desperate for a good horse game, and they take advantage of it. P.S love you Rattle ♥ Edit:Thanks for 9 likes

[@solisinvictus4238]

My word! you have excellent taste in games, Primal AND Mordheim!

[@celarts5752]

I ain't even into horse games but I adore your coverage of the drama with them

[@Crazy_Sue]

The first game I dropped money on, on kickstarter, was Day of Dragons. We raised $500,000+ dollars for a $12,000 goal. The dev gave us a Store Bought Asset game which was terrible. Still is terrible. I won't support another game on Kickstarter ever again. I now wait until a few weeks after a game releases before buying it, wait to see what the reviews are before I fork over my money.

[@fantasyfinale6976]

It really had a good start- no thanks to Shoe- which is a shame. I really hope to see Ender in another project, they deserve another chance. I'm an avid Flight Rising player so I really want a horse browser game like it, I personally don't like Howrse.

[@loveeevee396]

You might like Horse Reality then!

[@samm7334]

Oh no, the game was coded in Java? Well that explains some of it. Especially the switch to unity. Java is just not a language for games. It worked for Minecraft (kinda) but it's not made for the job. This also puts a new light on the 19k lines of code, since Java needs a lot of lines to get anything done...

[@CatOperated]

Was trying to see if there’s any decent (or improved) horse games and found this. I weep for this genre.

[@PootisDaLoopis]

Please do another video (only if you feel like it tho!!) on Emerald Valley Ranch. They basically released two more (paid!) DLCs with stuff that should have been in the game at release (Arabian breed + foals), released a few more bug fixes, "fixed" the switch version (apparently it's still broken) then said outright that they're stopping development. That game is a complete joke.

[@Whattheheckgives]

Took them months to fix a game breaking bug they introduced to the PC version with the last dlc too, and right away they're into peddling their next game as soon as they bailed on EVR. I used to like Aesir, now I won't touch their stuff unless it's 75% off if at all.

[@PootisDaLoopis]

@@Whattheheckgives I wish I'd just refunded the game when I had the chance. What a waste of a decent game.

[@Heirgloom]

At this point I am going to just get my old laptop fixed up and just work to collect all the old pc horse games because all of them are far better than pretty much every horse game that’s come out recently. Plus half of them look better, the horse models in the Horse Illustrated pc disc game were nicer than the models used in ETG now. Competitions at Rosemond (not to be confused with Legacy of Rosemond Hill), you could make your own horse and for some reason I remember you could make your own cross country courses. The Farnam racing game was awesome despite the flat pixilated graphics, the Horzes pc games were awesome too! Same with the Saddle Up: Time To Ride and Time to Ride: Saddles and Stables. One of those had a paranormal mystery arch to it that was super cool and unique.

[@EvanBear]

Man I want a remaster and re-release of Primal too, that game is such an underrated gem!

[@xleadmarex]

This is such a shame. At this point, people like myself will literally try to find ways to drop our love for horses due to how toxic anything horse related online has devolved into. And I used to question why horses was a very unpopular topic to use for animal games.

[@guacamojo]

man i wish i could code, i adore hi2 (never played hi1 but im sure it's similar) and i'd love to see a revival of the old style. i hope the devs are doing ok now.

[@aidamek2340]

I KNEW IT!! Literally called it.. its sad..

[@atiredwolfwantsomerest4852]

the people in the comment already said what was on my mind so... FINALLY SOMEONE THAT KNOWS OKAMI!!!!

[@tjrune3432]

Is it just me, or does taking the money of people to make a product automatically stop that project from being classified as "just for fun"? I mean, I'm learning to make a game just for fun - the difference is that I've not asked anyone else to fund this hobby...

[@tinachen9728]

That is almost the same with a 3d game that you grow from a baby dragon to an adult dragon but it’s not in full release because of the developer being a scammer and taking people money and not finishing the game.

[@Im_Iconic-Youre_Ironic]

What game?

[@densetsugojirin5518]

@@Im_Iconic-Youre_Ironic Think they might be talking about "Day of Dragons". The dev became notorious for censoring criticism and taking money without actually delivering what was promised.

[@Im_Iconic-Youre_Ironic]

@@densetsugojirin5518 yeah, i realised that a little while after commenting. gross behaviour. thank you though

[@liolikesgrass]

I really love your videos, however I hate seeing people being scammed. I thank you for being the voice of this community. Your videos are great for this type of « raising awareness » on a person, a game but mostly on bad practices people will do to achieve what they want. Here is my advice to anyone wanting to support small businesses but dont have or a scared about their finances, and I will take the Tales of Rein Ravine as an example : wait first to have something to chew on. Then, see what people think about it, many youtubers will make videos (Amelia Dreambell, Rattle and many others). After that, if they have a free demo (which is, to me, always a green flag) see if you enjoy the game and what advantages it can give you. Make sure to avoid paying directly and prefer to use Paypal for instance, so you don’t give out personal infos. Be safe everyone, and hopefully, all people who have been hurt in this situation will find justice.

[@X3nophiliac]

having a demo or a game released in early access or even a closed beta is a huge green flag. i only support indie games that have released something on Steam now.

[@liolikesgrass]

@@X3nophiliac totally ! It’s safer that way, to know the artist is transparent with the project

[@jasmine-gl6ml]

Okami gameplay spotted! I love that game!!

[@myseaside]

I remember seeing some of the artwork for this game and I was interested, it's a real shame

[@zebnemma]

You can't create a whole game for free, even the coders and artists were willingly getting scammed. Either we are all getting paid or none of us are. Modders for example sometimes make a big cooperation of people where no one is getting paid, but it's entirely just a big passion project for their favorite video game. I was in a modding project for about a year. But even with that I felt like after some time I didn't have time for it anymore and I wanted to focus more on my personal life stuff. When you're doing stuff for free you are not under any obligation to keep doing it. That chick who did take the money but didn't pay her artists and coders, clearly she has no incentive to do the project either because she has no stakes in it. She already got the money, and she's not using the money to pay for the project, so why should she care? It's literally the saying "people don't respect stuff they get for free". No effort + no stakes= ungrateful.

[@PearlCradle]

why are all horse games horse riding games? i want to BE the horsie.. racing with the eagle, soaring with the wind.

[@Tiny_Winy]

Hell ye i am early by complete accident dhsjdbshs I had the urge to “Wonder what Rattle is up lately” and it payed off hehehe

[@YTRattle]

LOL Welcome to the early squad! XD

[@frida.sweetrider]

Will you ever look into Strideway? It’s a recently released game but I imagine it’s pretty different from what you’ve covered since it’s a game developed in Roblox. From what I have seen it has a very sizable community around it though, with 89000 members in the Roblox group and nearly 9000 in the Discord server.

[@Creation_Mode]

Man this seems to be the way to get free money nowadays, fake a game, exploit volunteers, make up lies, take the money and dissappear. I feel for the people whoms excitement, motivation and enthousiasm got exploited. I am glad you share this, with any project I will be so mindful before spending any money on it without guarantees. I already was but still, this info makes you even more aware. Usually my intuïtion is right, I chose to back That Horse Game Unbridled and Rein Ravine, so far they are doing really good. Wanted to back astride too but something always held me back, I'm glad about that, I don't like the art style they switched to now, those soft colours they had at first really made it unique.

[@xOutdated]

what game is it at 12:15?

[@blue-simplicity]

Wack i was excited :(

[@YTRattle]

IKR! ♥

[@chocolat5959]

Honestly watching your videos really makes me consider just starting my own horse game, I’m a computer science student so it would even look great on my portfolio haha. Imagine getting a job because you made a silly little horse game No but for real is every horse game project doomed to fail?!

[@boerdandexperimental9370]

A lot of this looks like refurbishes of hunt and jump horses too that are recently updated, very confused in all of this

[@maycontainnuts3127]

wait, these people gave money to a project with no videos, no demos, not even any real screenshots?

[@orcashadow8989]

A list of people surprised by this outcome: lol

[@YTRattle]

😂😂😂

[@codedaq]

🗣️🗣️ BABE WAKE UP NEW RATTLE VIDEO JUST DROPPED

[@storytimewiththecrimsondm1318]

thats heart breaking to hear for the devs

[@sou020]

10:57 whats that game?

[@DinahAO]

horse games are almost as cursed as the yandere simulator genre atp

[@Misile91]

God I love getting random videos of drama/community I have no knowledge of

[@albertinawaterfield9318]

The fact that these people outright deceived the community that put their money, trust, and resources into this game is outrageous. People expected compensation, or in other words a game from this team and ended up losing more than they gained (practically gained nothing in that sense). It is outrageous and depressing for those who put their efforts into helping this game grow and thrive. Stealing and lying is never okay especially in this scenario. Hopefully a game can become of this and put some people’s minds and hearts at ease someday.

[@WonderlandLaLa]

I’m sorry, totally unrelated, but this is how I find out you can play Star Equestrian on pc?? I’m gonna have to check that out lol

[@FalseFront25]

You heard it here. straight from the horse's mouth

[@Nothingtoseehereanyway]

AHAHAH YESSS, ANOTHER RATTLE VIDEO

[@YTRattle]

WOOOOTTT! XD

[@Noodlemonkey7]

0:42 Okammmmmmiiiiiiii!!!

[@StopCreepingBab]

What's the other horsegame playing in the background?

[@dianas7549]

This is why I stick to Barbie Horse Adventures and a few others. Yeah, I'm playing the same story over and over, but I don't care. I'm never disappointed by the lack of updates and I'm always enjoying myself.

[@do3807]

Ma'am are you South African? You sound so Safa it's making me smile like crazy, if not then ignore this lmao, but that accent it's giving me such heavy South African

[@ashleybaggett8183]

I feel like with so many horse games we all put so much hope into games and we get disappointed so often.. the community is losing hope.

[@snakecharms2320]

Signed up just to report the page. Cause I hate scam artists even more than unfinished projects. :D

[@SabinaMountaingrove]

someone release a drama free good horse game i am begging 😭

[@christineli6650]

I just wish Horse Isle 2 would come back :(

[@EdithSparrow16]

Do you have a link to the artist socials id love to support them

[@Shiba_Draws]

Honestly?? I think the money Might of been spent on All these trips and holidays she did. Its a bit of a coincidence that she stopped going on holidays (or vacations as some of you guys may call it) the second people started asking for refunds.

[@user-gq3uy6yx7p]

i submitted a report on kickstarter, never backed it or heard of it but i will do my best to get the kickstarter shut down.

[@user-gq3uy6yx7p]

heres my report btw: The creator has abandoned the project numerous times, promised refunds from upset backers and never followed through, left backers, development team members (devs, moderators, artists, coders, etc..) in the dark with no updates, info, or even simple answers. The discord server for this project is dead silent due to the creator's lack of care for the project and neglection of the dev team, backers, and also lack of proper team/project management. The original artists at the start have long since pulled their art from the project (after the creator's first unforseen and long hiatus) and many team members have left the project entirely. The creator's last known comment was about how they are struggling to keep afloat but that was last year. The creator has been known to go dead silent repeatedly and people have seen them frequently posting on Facebook about going on "vacations" during those months and months on end of silence and leaving people in the dark and questioning if they'll ever get refunded/regretting their decision to even think backing was worth it. So far no one has truly been able to get a hold of the creator for fool-proof answers. Please do something about this situation, it has affected many people, backers and dev team members alike.

[@Joequidae]

honestly the absurd amount of linearts of breeds from the start was a bit of a red flag to me they would have had to make every possible color combination over and over for EVERY BREED they had already drawn (which seemed like quite a few!) AND TACK fitted, before the game is even launched; thats a TON of work for mere volunteers. i feel especially bad for them. i just wonder who's idea that was! :')

[@enderiaaan]

Tbf, we did that much on our own. We ended up with more starter breeds than was ever planned. So that was not Shoe's doing. Just clearing that up. Like I've said a billion times, my art team was PASSIONATE about this, and we dumped our souls into it because we wanted to. Not because we were being forced to.

[@Joequidae]

@@enderiaaan im glad to know thats what happened! in the art community alone its a problem ive seen more than once, so im very relieved honestly; that amount of dedication was very impressive, i hope you and the art team are proud regardless of the way everything went

[@littylove6192]

What is the horse game in the background? ;o and is it any good?

[@mageofdoomsie1598]

It’s called Mordheim! It’s in the description

[@littylove6192]

@@mageofdoomsie1598 No no not that one, its at 10:51 ^^

[@mageofdoomsie1598]

@@littylove6192 ye I got confused! I corrected myself afterwards lmao, sorry!

[@littylove6192]

@@mageofdoomsie1598 Ah I looked that up and its sadly not the horse game

[@azureequus8045]

that horse game is called Star equestrian its....fine had a good start but its fallen into the same micro transaction hell that star stable has now. the updates for the past few months have been just new stuff to buy nothing new to the game or story its free tho

[@Dani-rm7fb]

Hey Rat, just wanted to say we all appreciate the time and effort you put into these videos to help educate people on the horse game industry and the rights and wrongs of it all. I saw some of the hateful things they said to you in the discord. Just wanted to remind you that you are loved and appreciated, regardless how other people feel about you investigating their failed games. You are AWESOME and have balls of steel. Much love.

[@poisonapple6138]

You should do a video on Ropin' Ranch! I think it's a simple but fun game.

[@Icy_815]

I've given up on any horse games besides SSO

[@Abcdefg-fh3fb]

i almost threw up when i read this 1:39 oh god please warn me oh my godohmguuurgh

[@Rexy-_-]

Just wait for my game to be out!! >:] Ill make sure i dont make my fellow equestrian gamers sad :D

[@Noodlemonkey7]

6:05 everything she saying just sounds so fake and like a scam and I’m guessing that none of what she’s saying is true.