What happens after South Africa has fallen?

[@26JV26]

In 1994 we were sold a dream. In 2024 we want a refund.

[@expose_massive_banking_crime]

🇿🇦

[@patbouwer1637]

That's putting it in a nutshell

[@Galaxy-ho2pk]

There is no money left 😉

[@annetteelliott1494]

We didn't "sell" anything......we still have it, we must just rebuild what's left........

[@The_First_Sean]

If you want apartheid you can go back on you raft and and row for Holland, not here you shitpaste.

[@Tee-e4i]

I am a Xhosa man some how i've never found this man offensive to anything i've heard him say. South Africa need us all to stand up and fight for what is good. I don't need handouts i am smart, i need a working South Africa with its people, those people are all skin colours in this country.

[@SA-Napalm]

please help stop B.E.E... its pushing us back to a race based society..

[@dannyarcher6370]

I am an offensive white man.

[@mtblover]

It is so refreshing to hear you say that. Be careful that other backs don't paint you with a "brainwashed" brush. Everyone that don't agree with the anc, zuma and malema get painted with that brush.

[@pablocharlie]

Be a major non-nato allie a country with liberal economic policies capitalist system and federalism with states 👍 (you can be a major non-nato allie but still do business with russia and china look at the gulf states in the middle east) 👍

[@olalundqvist3080]

Don't get me wrong, I'm not out to attack your stand point of "South Africa needs us all...", then how about first if all imprisson Julius Malema and the other hot shots of the EFF for Life and crush the organisation and do the same with Anyone involved with the boer morde (spelling?). I do know and understand that the Apparteid era was a shitty thing, I'm not advocating for it in Any way... but "The sins of the father" and all that. And Then hopefully South Africa can start healing and coming together properly. That's just My own take on it.

[@marcusmoonstein242]

"It's much easier to hold people accountable if they are closer to the people they are governing." A great argument for decentralized government, and the main reason why we're not going to get it.

[@farhanatoerien3437]

Absolutely!!! 😢

[@BrinleyPavitt]

Bingo!

[@MmetxaRuth-sp7km]

Spot on that's why this country can even be controlled from Europe by people who don't have any connection to our society.

[@dewalddewet759]

@@MmetxaRuth-sp7km Sounds about right yes. Russia is considered to be part of Europe. If you add the other chommie, China, you can say Rectumzania is governed from Eurasia.

[@bronx7886]

When Thomas Jefferson said “The government closest to the people serves the people best”, he was referring to form-of-government closeness and not to ethnicity. However, it is of the very nature of life that, for the most part, people are closer to their own kin.

[@Sean1homeles]

South Africa needs to be federalist. And voting for individual people to represent you in government that are accountable to you.

[@MoreThanRuan]

Vote for OHM if you want this.

[@HerbieMarais]

I read somewhere, that it was proposed during the independence discussions with the British after the second Boer war, but the British rejected it, and insisted we have a central government that governs all the land in a uniform way.

[@stevemeisternomic]

We have an overabundance of idiots in this country with a lot of anger and hatred. Even if individuals get voted for the priorities of the people are wrong.

[@anthonyverwey9684]

OHM is already trying to do this: ohm.org.za/gallery/Political%20Overhaul%20of%20the%20Electoral%20System%202024.pdf

[@juneschlebusch6679]

That is the way to go. Each tribe must govern itself . We'll all be more happier.

[@wolfgiesinger1597]

Excellent presentation, can't fault it on a single point, thank you!

[@expose_massive_banking_crime]

you didnt notice how ..pale...the gathering is...?

[@ERWINROODT]

Why is no one else talking like this. Some very valid points. Great thinking Ernst.

[@anthonyverwey9684]

OHM is already doing this. They are contesting the national elections to do exactly this. Here is the System Change plan: ohm.org.za/gallery/Political%20Overhaul%20of%20the%20Electoral%20System%202024.pdf

[@janettewillis7389]

Sounds like the genuinely good people are waking up to the fact that they don't have to swollow the evil being feed to them 🤷🏼‍♀️ About Bloody Time 🙏🏼✝️🙏🏼

[@EveHoward631]

Thank you Ernst for your informative commentary of the original interview. Your words based on logic in truth.

[@louisemee3080]

BRAVO, at last this makes sense. A solution and not doom and gloom.

[@hermangoosen7756]

Infrastructure and financial problems will only go away after years of careful management. And getting most to move in the right direction will be difficult

[@expose_massive_banking_crime]

how bout the elite stop screwing us with currency manipulation first??

[@hendrikvogel262]

Best summary of SA ever

[@RitaHunter-ru1vs]

Hi south Africa has already fallen

[@Starsky1413]

McDonald’s still makes lakker burgers 😅😅😅

[@expose_massive_banking_crime]

​@@Starsky1413 is that the unit of measurement?😂

[@errolmitchell6339]

In Australia I talking to a S. African last week he and wife just move to Australia because S.Africa is gone 😢😢

[@expose_massive_banking_crime]

@@errolmitchell6339 whats your first language, if I may ask Errol

[@errolmitchell6339]

English

[@gerrytyrrell1507]

Listening in from Ireland..absolutely brilliant..thank you Sir

[@obakengmarumo2600]

Ngl, I was initially hesitant to watch this video because most of the videos that talk about the fall of the ANC and government were so biased. But now, having listened to your analysis, I'm impressed and grateful to have come across your video. You gave a holistic view of the real problem we have.

[@nedor64]

"What happens after South Africa has fallen?" We must be ready when this happens otherwise we might suffer horrible consequences. The only people who will survive and be better off will be the Oranians.

[@humanbeing4841]

South Africa will only fall because of the corrupt and inept central government. It can be saved by sweeping reforms that ensure free market economics as well as governing autonomy to cultural and linguistic ethnic groups.

[@nedor64]

@@humanbeing4841 "governing autonomy to cultural and linguistic ethnic groups" Here is the problem, the "central government" is not interested in it and is calling it apartheid. We MUST organize ourselves into self-sufficient communities where we provide services to our people so that we can become independent.

[@humanbeing4841]

@@nedor64 The irony of calling such a structure "apartheid", is that apartheid is fundamentally an authoritarian ideology that requires a central government to be instituted. Under a federal model, no apartheid can exist because there is not monopoly of state control to enforce such an policy. Organizing into self-sufficient communities is merely de-jure federalism however I am arguing for a de-facto federalism.

[@johanweakley2658]

​@humanbeing4841 agree, a federal system should have been strived for from the beginning. The NP negotiators were out of their depth during Codesa. They basically told us what a good job they've done, then wiped the dirt of their hands and disappeared. Leaving us to live under a yoke of tyranny, corruption, incompetence and malicious governance.

[@expose_massive_banking_crime]

the corrupt Afrikaners in media and banks will be SHAP

[@humanbeing4841]

As someone who was born post 1994, I believe SA should've always been a federation of provinces based primarily upon the historic ethnic and linguistic demarcations of the country's territory united around the idea of governing autonomy within those demarcations while maintaining union on a national level. A top-down centralized government has NEVER been a good thing for South Africa and has always resulted in greater nationalistic and racial tensions within the territory because of one tribe trying to impose itself on all the others. A federated model would ensure that no single ethnic group driven by an authoritarian ideology could ever dominate and oppress another ethnic group residing within the country ever again. We are one of the most ethnically and culturally diverse countries on the planet and yet for some nonsensical reason we are forced to be governed as a unitary state. Unitary states only make sense when the inhabitants have a common ethnic, cultural, liguistic and religious heritage. A highly centralized South African state will ALWAYS result in the country being governed by a corrupt, authoritarian, nepotist or racially bigoted oligarchy. The implementation of "Unity in Diversity" can only exist within the framework of a governing system that truly acknowledges such diversity and is willing to provide autonomy to those diverse communities within the country; only a federal model can ensure this framework.

[@marcusmoonstein242]

I'm older than you, and so I could vote in the '94 elections. I remember serious discussions at the time around a having a decentralized federalist system copied directly from the successful Swiss system of cantons. Unfortunately the ANC was (and is still) married to the old Soviet model of highly centralized authority where all serious decisions are made at the national level. So the ANC negotiators torpedoed the federalist idea in the pre-election constitutional negotiations. We missed the one opportunity we had to write federalism into our constitution. If we had done that we wouldn't be having talk of Cape succession today.

[@verlorenvlei1325]

Absolutely .. A dedicated group of far seeing people lobbied hard and long to the CODESA negotiating delegates, under the banner of Groundswell.. We came close to achieving a truly decentralised “bottom up” Swiss Canton Confederation model. But hidden agendas on both sides of the political and business elites proved more powerful than good sense.

[@BrinleyPavitt]

💯 Agree. South Africa does need to be looked at from a unique perspective given the magnitude of our diversity. Our biggest issue is that our current leaders seem to want copy the frameworks of countries where almost everyone is the same ie. Brazil, Russia, India, China etc. We should be looking more to Western countries and mimic their successes and improve upon their failures.

[@humanbeing4841]

@@BrinleyPavitt All those countries you mentioned are among the most diverse developing nations on the planet especially India. We are unique in that we are just as diverse if not more diverse than those countries but are governed as a unitary state. There is more cultural unity within the entire European continent than there is within SA.

[@pheebsbee1280]

Thank you.

[@Dgen247]

Community based government is the best way forward for our country.

[@southafrica9179]

I don't understand why the ANC can't be disbanded and prevented from being on the ballot papers by the IEC... Surely the damage they've done to our country is enough to ban them from politics..

[@humanbeing4841]

Unfortunately disbanding the ANC would only give votes to the EFF. In my opinion, the National Assembly needs to vote on disbanding the EFF instead as they are too dangerous and will ensure that SA descends into a genocidal, Maoist totalitarian hellscape.

[@042Ghostmaker]

No. If they ban the ANC they can ban anyone else. That's not worth the risk.

[@maseratifittipaldi]

@@042Ghostmaker All political parties should be banned. Leaders should be democratically elected from fraternities and geographic areas.

[@expose_massive_banking_crime]

that defined Apartheid though...that exact thing

[@ca9968]

@@expose_massive_banking_crime and it worked..really well...

[@derickstevens9650]

NM also accused De Klerk of having a top-heavy parliament (something like 187 members), which is now close to 600 !

[@riaan6421]

No politician can ever fix it.

[@davidclowes2280]

Good discussion. Much more decentralisation makes sense. Less controls will help!!! I like the dream!!!

[@verlorenvlei1325]

Very well said .. thank you. And there are a number of worthwhile alternatives already well thought out to choose from. I would maintain that a practical assessment of the Swiss model as proposed by Leon and Frances book “South Africa, the Solution” pre 1994 bears serious consideration and public discussion. Had we adopted it then our country might be an example to the world today.

[@thembastoep733]

You're arguments are objectively speaking very logical and make sense

[@bonganimkhaliphi8695]

Excellent commentary and thought provoking. These are, indeed, the conversations we ought to be having, really. Thanks for sharing.

[@lorrainesparg4874]

Thanks that was enlightening.

[@christinemarnewick2847]

Excellent. Thank you.

[@ismailfrancis6159]

South Africa is a very vibrant society. The mere fact that we can produce very articulate and well constructed arguments like this is testimony to us being an active civil community who by and large, try our best to tell truth to power out of a deep place of care. I would argue that the most marginalised, the most poor, the most desperate, which is the majority of South Africa is left out of the framing of the problems and the solutions in the video. If we leave South Africa to create another Bantustan to govern their own communities then we will end up with more disenfranchised communities. Great article and may we have more of these intelligent debates.

[@glenturrell4485]

Thank you, Sir, for another excellent clip. Dr.Leon Louwe and Francis Kendal published, in the late '80s an.excellent book entitled South Africa, the solution (hope I got the title right!) in which they reviewed the history of South Africa, the bad choices made and the legislation involved and offered a practical example of how the country could have been (and could still be) re-organised to the general benefit. If you can find a copy (leant mine out - to whom???) it is really worth the read. More thanks for your presence and clear thinking!

[@verlorenvlei1325]

Exactly .. I recently re-read my copy. Frances’s other two books laid out in detail the nuts and bolts of how it could work. Time to bring them both out of retirement .. perhaps this would be be the true meaning of a 🌈nation.

[@bronx7886]

The answer is in the question. South Africa fell in 1994. We have been living the answer for 30 years.

[@coatknight]

Indeed, South Africa should have been disbanded either to the pre 1910 states or something similar reflecting the demographics. However, white folk didn't want to relinquish the financial hub of Johannesburg.

[@kalaharikreef7371]

@@coatknightwe would have been in 1910 where we are now. The rest of Africa is enough proof.

[@expose_massive_banking_crime]

​@@coatknight not all whites in SA are Afrikaans or British...we mongrels dont fit in with either ..not all of us are well connected to bank CEOs

[@balsak007]

Truth

[@expose_massive_banking_crime]

I was there in 94...it was very suss what was "arranged"

[@nyc7727]

Great presentation and much needed.

[@antonjoubert6980]

A disfunctional moral system is the same as an imoral system😂

[@expose_massive_banking_crime]

most definitely disagree.

[@moirabijker]

Best comment here.

[@patvandenheever9856]

Return to GOD! and have honest people serving the people! Remember we REAP what we sow which most can't or won't see and inherit the sins of our fathers!

[@RitaP-59]

2 Chronicles 7:14 if My people who are called by My name will humble themselves, and pray and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin and heal their land.

[@cjtannerza]

South Africa needs meritocracy not democracy

[@simphiwerini9652]

After you have enjoyed and benefited from apartheid. Now merit must come in. Apartheid wasn't merit. Let's fix that first.

[@expose_massive_banking_crime]

​@@simphiwerini9652 true!! and also now they want to just TAKE cape town the richest part of our whole country

[@expose_massive_banking_crime]

lifestyle audits for all Afrikaners FIRST

[@anthony64632]

, audit for weathly mps ​@@expose_massive_banking_crime

[@cjtannerza]

@@simphiwerini9652 dont know about that, I was too young. I can say that we are all worse off now than in 2000 or even 2010.

[@davidroux7987]

Imagine if the president were as intelligent, rational, and articulate as Ernst Roets. Unfortunately, the unsophisticated, gullible, subliterate majority would not vote for such a person.

[@BrinleyPavitt]

Our president is actually quite intelligent. What he lacks is balls. He's standing by and watching the country burn around him. You almost see a tear in his eye when makes his speeches because he knows what he's saying is bs. Like when someone knocks their shin and pretends they're not in pain.

[@coatknight]

Oh the president if very intelligent but sly. On the other hand, he lacks wisdom and morals.

[@smr4712]

oh please, he is a mickey mouse excuse of a man.

[@expose_massive_banking_crime]

pity he is cold as stone

[@veronicapetersen8915]

Love Douglas Murray. A very spot on and saying it like it is. I like listening to his talks. What a gentleman.

[@collettewalton2261]

It's a start in healing this country. ANC must go!

[@KeabetsweKekana-c6u]

How can it heal without an apology

[@paulreed3716]

Very well said Ernst.

[@expose_massive_banking_crime]

careful who you trust so blindly. He & Afriforum wont talk about the financial R@PE going on by the banks .

[@smr4712]

@@expose_massive_banking_crime Afriforum is seen as a enemy by the people of SA.. censorship wont save them.

[@jilliansolman2170]

OHM is talking a complete revamp of politics in SA....making it for the people with the people....minus political parties that prone to corruption and no one held accountable.

[@Expose_bankers_and_auctioneers]

makes sense its got my vote

[@Mr_Zero_Cool]

There is something to replace the ANC with..... The DA governs, it governs well, where it has a majority. It's manifesto is sound.... It has stood up the unions and where it governs, over time replaced ANC cadres with professional civil servants.

[@0761Siban]

Does the DA also govern over Gugulethu, Khayelitsha and Langa?

[@expose_massive_banking_crime]

DA looks the other way when Absa robs us ..even Helen Zille, Cilliers Brink .. Cilliers is cut from FF+ cloth who are they fooling in Tshwane

[@charmainhuysamen4136]

​@@0761SibanThe DA can only do as much as the ANC allows them! Just remember that the ANC refuses to let the DA take control of the police in their metros hence the crime in DA run metros! You can't blame the DA for what the ANC forces on them!

[@marcellekravitz2411]

..the DA?!. Wake up allready..!

[@Mr_Zero_Cool]

@@marcellekravitz2411 what exactly would you like me to wake up to?

[@DP-ho9if]

Great analysis Mr Roets. I think Mandela's model of a central unitary state cannot work in South Africa, it is easy to capture a central government with very dire consequences for every citizen, than to capture a federal state that is close to the people.

[@ThembaMaselane]

I'm watching the stand off between the federal government and the states.People to live one state for another when things breaking point.

[@HeinRichKocHPretoria]

Centralization is 1 of communism's tools.

[@donaldmillwood6308]

Brilliant - Levelheaded, non-victimised and non-blaming - solution and future-orientated. 10/10 or 100%

[@janrabie1890]

Besides Mandela and Mbeki, the ANC really had nothing to offer the people of South Africa.

[@HeinRichKocHPretoria]

What did Mandela and Mbeki brought to SA?

[@janrabie1890]

@@HeinRichKocHPretoria Mandela was instrumental to a peaceful transition and the avoidance of a civil war. During the Mbeki years there was still economic growth.

[@FreeRangeExcellence]

I like your innovative thinking, thank you. I reckon that some of your views is likely to achieve real ownership from us as South Africans. Everything starts with a dream. We all need to contribute more for South Africa to reach its full potential. We need leaders that can lead us towards a vision of prosperity for all.

[@mathewman]

HE WAS ALSO IN SYDNEY - hardly got a mention in the press

[@salomemalherbe677]

Dankie Ernst .. is daar enige insig en erkenning deur die Swart en Engelse gemeenskappe oor die positiewe rol vd Afrikanervolk in die geskiedenis van ons land ? Of klou hulle nog aan hul eie ideologiese haatspraak teen ons vas as die enigste waarheid vd verlede ?

[@nigelnaylor2556]

Hi Salome. I am an English speaking citizen and hails from the Eastern Cape. Most of the Voortrekkers came from the Eastern Cape and quite few of the English from the Eastern Cape have the same mindset as the Voortrekkers. Thus we understand and appreciate the role and contribution of the Afrikaners and what they made of this country. However, there is one thing I do not understand about the Afrikaners now is how they have allowed other people to put a guilt trip on them. There is no reason why Afrikaners cannot hold their heads high and take up their rightful place in this country. Kindest regards. Nigel

[@godfreyberry1599]

​@@nigelnaylor2556Agree. It's this whole GUILT TRIP thing that has had undue focus and played straight into the hands of the ANC which was nothing more than a communist/terrorist grouping completely unable/unwilling to actually GOVERN. They've been running SA in true Mafia style from the get-go.

[@sophiastephanus4665]

She is indeed Down to Earth since Zuma ANC and Ramophasa ANC GO To Hell. Mama South Africa

[@salomemalherbe677]

@nigelnaylor2556 Helo Nigel. Dankie vir jou woorde. However ... wat my verstom is die Engelse gemeenskap se blinde weiering om Pa te staan vir julle rol in die skokkende gebeure van ons land die afgelope 200 jaar !! meer spesifiek is die local Engelse se meedoënlose Haatspraak teen ons vanaf 1820 -1920 - 2020 Boerbasing en Black Sash ken jy dit ? Engelse denial dat hierdie die 3rde TAALOORLOG deur n Wêreld Empire is wat 5 Kontinente geplunder het .. hier in Suid Afrika teen n mede Europese Christen Volk in hul eie land kom afdwing het ...is skokkend

[@Cris-wy9dv]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@ingridluyt7538]

Where and on which platform do we open the conversation surrounding the need to design a better system to take our political dispensation forward? Afriforum and others need to recognize that some of the sharpest minds are among those either previously or more lately impoverished / disadvantaged, if you will. We cannot pay to speak OUR MINDS.

[@joecruiser]

Agree, thanks Ernst. SA direly needs a proper government and governing structure / system, but this time it should work for the benefit of SA and All SAens. Not an easy feat indeed. Step 1 is to Educate the voter masses, just to rid SA of the current looters .......... Not easy either.......... You need to 1st stop the bleeding before any treatment is possible.

[@ColinByrne-aiazmir]

Devolving power, authority and design to first, local, and then provincial regional development would be a better system, with a centralized overseeing body that can fulfill the roles that local and regional bodies cannot deliver, like foreign affairs and treasury.

[@hanliegunter3676]

"moral but disfunctional system" . . . what moral system is in place with the current government?

[@estellenetterberg1750]

Well thought out and well spoken!! As a SA citizen - I love my country!

[@alangardner1746]

OHM says much of what you are saying, please interview Lauren Evanthia on this subject!

[@LNixon-d2r]

It hurts me to break up South Africa, but The Cape Party - Independence for The Cape, separation of the Western Cape combined with the Northern Cape from the rest of South Africa is really the only option for that region.

[@ernstpretorius9673]

This country must split into the different tribes, each governing themselves as God had split the peoples at Babel. There must also be a split between the Boere and the Afrikaners, as we definitely do not have the same values and longing for freedom. Borders will bring piece. I think this will be the eventual outcome, no matter how you try to keep us together, this is how the world works.

[@expose_massive_banking_crime]

this is what Verwoerd did tho?

[@expose_massive_banking_crime]

what are different ideals of Afrikaners & Boere? Hensoppers VS bittereinders? corrupt banks vs honest work?

[@WalterWhite-bc8ck]

If that's the case then all white tribes should live South Africa... Because we don't want that

[@Infinite-07719]

You just want to see division in Africa...how many European countries are split by tribes??...talking about afrikaaners and boers all these never showed compassion over in the injustice they were doing here and these were all so called Christians

[@nathanbraidman5372]

You are correct that South Africa cannot be held together because this is how the world works. The people living in South Africa do not constitute a single nation and have different cultures and identities. Identity, as the great English Parliamentarian, Enoch Powell, once said is the ultimate stuff of politics since it poses the most fundamental question of all "Who do you think you are"? The Jewish people have clung to their identity for over 2,000 years and after centuries of persecution and hardship have now returned to their ancient homeland of Israel. And as Aristotle pointed out no State can survive without "philia" the sense of fellow citizenship that binds a society together in a common bond of identity and patriotism. It is as clear as day that South Africa, as a whole, lacks the quality of philia found in abundance in Orania where everyone strives for the common good and violent crime and corruption is more or less non-existent. A crucial issue to consider is that as nothing has been resolved in South Africa in the past 30 years why does anyone think that anything will be resolved in the next 30 years under the current dispensation? One ironic feature of the map showing the various European countries superimposed on the land mass of South Africa is that each of them represents individual nation states with their distinct culture and identity. In other words, "apartheid", the natural order of things that will increasingly assert itself as the 20th century progresses and so called multiculturalism collapses due to its inherent contradictions.

[@anthony64632]

Every employment contract with Government must come up with a warning that if that person do corruption,automatic prison sentence. They should be warned from the beginning. Every bank acc must be checked , so in future if leave Job ,recheck bank acc to make sure that money match salary. If there is so much money more than expected, investigate

[@expose_massive_banking_crime]

its actually simple but why do they care if they dont face any consequences

[@two_motion]

Imagine a South Africa where each nation/tribe ruled themselves according to their own consensus of religious & cultural moral values.

[@carolmack6812]

No. That can't work

[@two_motion]

@@carolmack6812 Why?

[@mudgut69]

They would fail. It would be like the Middle East. It’s a nice dream but that’s all it is. It’s a modern world. Tribal society belongs in the past.

[@varsitystudents5276]

That's not how a country work

[@two_motion]

@@varsitystudents5276 That how federations, confederations and independent nations work... 🙄

[@jacquesb8927]

Very well explained!

[@donnafrey1404]

Why aren't you showing the clip where Douglas Murray discusses this? Thirteen minutes of YOU talking about what he said isn't very interesting.

[@wian7777]

Why listen then

[@sabinekoch3448]

You are so right about trying to do my own taxes- am so happy that I have a lovely tax specialist,who is prepared to organise this. Probably doesn’t take him that long, but my goodness- that terminology and the percentages floor me…

[@salomemalherbe677]

Wanneer gaan ons dus die aggressiewe verEngelsing van ons land praat as iets onsmaaklik .. oneties .. selfs onwettig ??!!

[@nedor64]

Verengelsing is nie die probleem nie, verswarting is die probleem.

[@godfreyberry1599]

​@@nedor64 U het n Uitstekende punt daar beet. 100%

[@0761Siban]

​@@nedor64for as long as you continue to think like this you will never have peace in SA. How can blacks be a problem to you in their own country?

[@expose_massive_banking_crime]

but Afrikaners give their kids English names now....hensoppers

[@HeinRichKocHPretoria]

All over the world, small local languages are dissappearing. More than half of all the people in the world, speak English.

[@karlvanrooyen7402]

I often wonder how the west thinks of there handy work regarding the "liberation " of SA.

[@expose_massive_banking_crime]

who cares?

[@leszekmakochon3841]

from the position of the leader in Africa to the fall to the third world level in only 30 years, the worst thing is to disagree, the whites built a strong country and after the blacks took over power, everything fell at lightning speed, it's a tragedy and very sad, everywhere there is neglect, people steal tracks and cables and the police do nothing there, schools, army, power plants, railways everything is in a state of decay, how it can be , ruin something that was good so quickly, it's unimaginable

[@dianesanderson930]

Thanks, a very interesting point of view. However, were the 4 provinces which we had 50-odd years ago not much alike to this idea? What should occur to bring a similar system into process; by all or most current leaders with obviously new blood represented. Particularly forward thinkers not dogmatic or demanding personalities? I'm very interested in being informed.

[@MarcPagan]

South Africa and Haiti both need a benevolent dictator ..... like Singapore's Lee Kuan Yew. As South Africa and Haiti, and add Venezuela and Cuba, .... have proven inept at self-governance.

[@2balastair]

Where can we get the clip of that discussion you only start with. This feels a bit like clickbait

[@oso1248]

They used to have a better political system, that’s been demonstrated for 3 decades.

[@TheTruth-dy8ze]

South Africa was a thriving country and very wealthy until the ANC took the reins. Corruption is rampant and as long as you have incompetent leadership it will continue. Too many tribal leaders that think they are better. Need to get rid of the inbuilt tribal structures otherwise it will continue to fail. To fix this beautiful country it needs a coalition of the best black and white leaders.

[@Expose_bankers_and_auctioneers]

have you heard of Coloureds and Indians..? 🇿🇦

[@TheTruth-dy8ze]

@@Expose_bankers_and_auctioneers Yup remember they had their own areas also. As afar as the Indians there it was mainly their choice to be and work there and could leave if they felt they wanted to. Are they better off today under the ANC that’s questionable.

[@seanperrings8460]

I have been in africa all my 62 yrs. From Rhodesia to South Africa. we can talk about the of morality of the previous sa government or the further imorality of the present anc led dispensation I believe in africa it has everything to do with Race. The majority of blacks in this part of Africa do not want whites here at all but they are stuck with us. Keep pushing Ernst, maybe you will penetrate the resistant mindset.

[@0761Siban]

You are right. We blacks find it insulting for Whites to come here and want to dictate terms to us. We never do it in their own territories.

[@LollyClarke]

Will blacks manage if every race left and they had SA to themselves

[@rexona1178]

You are an African and it is your continent. I am black and i know you are African as myself. We must work together as Africans.

[@tam1641]

​@@rexona1178u are mad

[@nicholastoo858]

I’m not from SA. Don’t each province govern itself? Who makes the call? National Gov or Province? What decisions does each Gov make?

[@Libra67jtc]

The issue with South Africa is that since 1994 we all became complacent in a country that we thought was going to become all inclusive when if we as citizens were realistic from day one we would have known that this was not going to be the case. Behind the scenes those in the corridors of political power who were networking prior to the election were simply setting themselves up for a huge payday and we see that now in the case that there are a number of ultra wealthy SA who simply played the game. Getting rich through legitimate ways is admirable, however the roles have simply been switched. South Africans should educate themselves more with regards the political scene in SA and get more involved then perhaps they would vote with their conscience and not their emotions. Citizens should not sit on the sidelines and complain about what the government is not doing if they not willing to hold their council men and local politicians accountable. The country is failing due to LACK of ACCOUNTABILITY which in turn breeds CORRUPTION. You can have the best politicians with the best intentions but if there is no ACCOUNTABILITY and TRANSPARENCY then it is all futile. No current political party in SA can play the race card anymore and when voters go to the ballot boxes these are the parties to avoid because if they continue voting wiith their emotions the next 30 years will simply be a repeat of the passed 30 years with added compund interest which will ultimately lead to SA imploding. SA needs a coalition of parties to form a government whereby they can monitor each other and hold each other accountable for a better SA. South africans need to clean house and become proud South Africans again. If South Africans were as passionate about their politics as they are about there sports teams we would be a strong nation again. VOTE IN 2024 WITH YOUR CONSCIENCE AND NOT YOUR EMOTIONS.

[@ChrisJackson-c3i]

Very well said I couldn't put it better myself somebody who at least understands the Politics and History of South Africa

[@cathymartens7478]

What is Douglas Murray doing on an SA panel?

[@lynpetzer2746]

HAVE FAITH SOUTH AFRICA..NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE WITH GOD ..EVERY KNEE WILL BOW TO JESUS....GOD BLESS SOUTH AFRICA.🙏❤🙏❤

[@clinthufkie3242]

Out of all the cultures in South Africa, which one was chosen as it's main/dominant identity?

[@patbouwer1637]

Thank you. I happen to believe that God is still in control we need to pray for a righteous govt, for a govt putting God first. We left Him out of our land too long. Yes there are structural problems but they can be fixed. We need to pray and vote wisely.

[@KevintónBlack]

I am a Christian, and I love South Africa. It is a beautiful country with so much diversity that the world has failed to comprehend, and I am proud of that. Unfortunately, we are being led by people who are corrupt and only care about their pockets instead of the quality of life for its citizens. We truly need to pray for South Africa for its prosperity. We need God's blessings through Christ Jesus. I pray that South Africa falls into the right government that will lead to everyone's success and prosperity. God does not know race, and does not care about race, for We are all one in Christ Jesus, Amen!

[@mikesutton9975]

Have you heard of David Friedman’s idea of an anarcho-capitalist land where people have self governance by way of free association and purchasing services from private firms?

[@leonvanderlinde5580]

Under apartheid there were 4 provinces. These provinces were quite autonomous. That worked very well.

[@sizwenkosi8882]

When exactly did the fall begin in South Africa, During colonial and apartheid or democracy??

[@chriserasmus]

Federal system/ cantons/tribal areas.?

[@jamesswemmer9983]

Makes perfect sense. Ethiopia has formed a perfect example of how federalism actually does work.

[@Blueskull101]

South Africa And Africa at Large Seek Spirituality as the foundation of everything including politics etc

[@BrinleyPavitt]

It would be interesting to see what RSA would look like as a "USSA" instead.

[@expose_massive_banking_crime]

fear-mongering much? our supposed commie army is untrained & unarmed...they were invented just to scare us

[@rianahayes84]

Listen to Gareth Hogg's interview with Organic Humanity Movement, called Democracy 101.

[@dienand_gaming]

Even if we vote the ANC out there will be a long and painful process to reverse the damage that has been done and I don't think most people are prepared for that. My other concern is that I don't believe there is 1 specific party that would be able fix all of our woes. There are many different people in South Africa and we expect and want different things from government. Somewhere someone will always be upset. I'm also not sure about a coalition government because we can't agree on anything. PS: I wrote this before watching the whole video.

[@Hitman-ds1ei]

Some times you have to get whst you wished for to know it wasn't what you needed !

[@Russell_Huston]

1:58 You are so right about the "American Revolution". It really wasn't a revolution, but as you say, a secession. All the colonial / state legislative bodies, Virginia, Pennsylvania, New York, and so on, were in place and continued to administer order. No doubt there were challenges in forging a federal republic, but the "War for Independence" bore little resemblance to the French Revolution, for example. So, this American thanks you for getting it more accurate than most!

[@ponraul1221]

As an American, the War for Independence was most certainly a revolution. Most Americans at the start of the war thought of themselves as British subjects at least until the actual Declaration of Independence. The new American states forged an entirely new system based upon individual liberty and the strictest limits on government we’ve ever seen. A simple secession is much more akin to Canada or Australia leaving the British Empire, where they carried over most political systems.

[@lu881]

Isn't South Africa's motto _"Unity in Diversity"_ ? South Africa recognises there are different languages, that's why we made each one for them official instead of just declaring English to be the only language to be spoken. The point then is to unite as different people under one common goal, one common struggle, that's what a nation is. Your issue is that you have an Apartheid style of mindset. One where if you're separate you're separate and there's no way you could have anything in common with anyone else.

[@maseratifittipaldi]

A few major things need to happen : (a) Populism needs to be replaced with quality (b) Parliamentary representation should be geographic ( c ) Political party system scrapped ( d ) Governmental powers, functions, competencies, responsibilities and structures rationalized and (e) governmental and electoral systems overhauled.

[@joyofthelordismystrenght8545]

About 5 years ago while I was praying for the SA government and asking for the Lord's help, He showed me a vision. I was looking down onto a field. There was a big circular trail in the field and a small dot of open area in the middle of the circle. From the dot there were 12 paths to the outer circle and all the Lord said to me was: "Like an orange." I immediately looked up what orange means spiritually, it means: An orange has 12 sections, which point to permanency, unity and completeness. Perfect government, a nation. (12 tribes, 12 apostles). I knew this is what the Lord has in stall for the SA government. A Godly structure with 12 Godly representatives for each tribe in SA.

[@nolaspeaker5656]

Politics is rife with false dichotomies. There are very seldom just 2 things.

[@Mike-br8zt]

South Africa is like a Gatsby - many ingredients go into the making of both and they need to work together.

[@haroldmclean3755]

When South Africa Fails, it will return to the Tribal system , full of Gangs and Detritus, much like most recently the path Haiti has taken

[@nigelnaylor2556]

Hi Ernst. Perhaps a minimum of a Confederation and Direct Democracy would be a good place to start? And let us bury the past. I heard this prayer: "If I or my ancestors have offended you or your ancestors, please forgive us." Let us now move on and build the best future that we deserve. Kindest regards. Nigel

[@glennwidelko]

Hi … thank you for sharing … please clarify what you actually mean by … ‘political dispensation’ … I think there are some tough questions therein … thanks again … keep up the great work 🙏

[@carolread4176]

So how???

[@donaldgray2128]

Yes fully agree

[@rowanditcham9617]

Where does the BBBEEE corporates sit in this discussion?

[@smr4712]

they sit in INNER CITY LONDON the zionists

[@dewalddewet759]

This is the elephant in the room. They will NEVER let go. WHYTMONOPLYKAPTAL is a lie. Multi nationals have already raised there eyebrows with mzaaaANCy being junk status and all of that. Dombabwe will look like a paradise when this rectum of Africa fell to pieces. Its just a matter of time. Very little time.

[@petrabester8464]

Insightful

[@zeuszoegutsy]

i.e. the Swiss canton system?

[@tasheathercollier2628]

I see South Africa today, as a modern day Tower of Babel.... hence the reason why I sympathize with all of it's people of different backgrounds, races, belief systems etc etc. The only solution as I see it is a " Revolution " not led by man, but rather by a mighty move of God by the power of the Holy Spirit. There is only one way that we as human beings can truly be united as one family and that is in non other than our Lord Jesus Christ. And the bible becomes our " manual of daily living " as we use this amazing and powerful WORD of GOD to instruct us as to how we are to live with one another, and treat and honor one another. There is no other way - but God's way, and yes as Jesus said it is a " hard and narrow way ", but it is the only way that leads to the life that only God, through Jesus Christ, and by the power of the Holy Spirit desires to give to us. My God Bless South Africa. Tas Collier, New Zealand

[@jeremygeorge8196]

Here's a radical idea and its bound to illicit howls of indignation from those that contribute the least to the country - The receiver issues you a voting form in your name and ID number that is valued at the amount of tax you pay! He who pays the piper....