Your Dream 5-Digit Rolex! (Ginault Ocean Rover II)

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[@EscapementWatch]

Correction in the video I said the fold OVER IS A LITTLE STIFF on the bracelet. It turned out that the screw was coming out and pushing against it. So the negative is not a negative call it user error. Need some loctite SORRY! Check out my other GINAULT VIDEO HERE: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nKaQhKyolql9qKs -Fallingtitan

[@michaelsuede]

I own one. It's fucking ridiculous. They took the best parts of every submariner reference ever made and put them all into one watch. Greatest Sub homage ever made, bar none.

[@khronokraze]

Sometimes I think some watch brands just want an epic looking watch As such, maybe they write so much on the dial it could rival a Star Wars movie beginning title crawl. Kidding aside and trying to look past the small paragraph on the dial, it's a pretty handsome watch and I'm sure it feels and wears as great as their previous models.

[@valeryt1997]

I didn't expect to spend 1800$ by the end of the video. Now I have to suffer for the next ~10 weeks of waiting but it'll be worth it! The email they sent was quite interesting to read! Thank you.

[@EscapementWatch]

Congrats!

[@r.8742]

Wow... im hesitant but ill keep my eye on it for a 3?. Imo Same build but blue dial options.... Less text and im def buying. I don't want a homage I want a Ginault.... a blue two tone would be nice too...

[@gg.komorebi]

Too much Text but the hands are much more better as at a Rolex. I don't like negative rates on watches. Thanks for the good review!!!

[@EscapementWatch]

Thanks for watching

[@ΓΙΑΝΝΗΣΠΑΠΑΔΑΚΗΣ-ν4ο]

Why doesnt Ginault reduce the text on the dial?

[@AnitaSpankyBB]

Lose 3x line of text and this watch would be perfect

[@user-pe1wu4vi5w]

I like it full text

[@rolexsubcasewearsbettertha9571]

I own the OR2 as well as a few Rolex sports models and Tudor. I can honesy say Ginault's craftsmanship is really up there with the big boys. The build quality and details are just amazing. As for the dial text, that doesn't bother me at all. Its the same on my Rolex. And if you talk to Jon, you will realize they actually chose every word carefully and he is an absolute expert in milsub history. He really knows what he is talking about and why the text he used.

[@EscapementWatch]

Thanks for sharing!

[@rolexsubcasewearsbettertha9571]

@@EscapementWatch and thank you for the great work you do!!

[@mr.eswatchreviews]

Excellent review sir I actually own three ocean Rover 2 I have the ceramic blue and black bezel and I have one no date version with aluminum bezel in the Golden sands loom I also have the silent service in the divers model with date and cyclops I also have The travelers model

[@zanefleming5168]

Curious, do you prefer ceramic or aluminum bezel? I just ordered an ORII and asked for the aluminum bezel insert, John said he would put the last aluminum bezel he had in stock on my ORII.

[@mr.eswatchreviews]

@@zanefleming5168 honestly I like the ceramic better as I am an automotive mechanic and I would like to wear my watches at work so I am always concerned when I have on anything with the aluminum bezel for scratch reasons

[@CalClassix]

I have a Rolex DSSD which I like, and I recently got my Ocean Rover II "No Date" with Gold Sand Lume and I've been unable to tell a difference in quality. What I like about the watch is that it provides Rolex looks, feel, and quality, but without the Rolex logo. Don't get me wrong, I like wearing my Rolex, but there are plenty of situations where I rather not flash a Rolex on my wrist. That's where the Ginault comes into rotation. An absolute jewel of a watch.

[@7rslender]

Got the Ocean Rover I when they released it a few years back. Outstanding watch, especially for the price I paid. Still love it.

[@derfdswed]

I have a Silent Service II and the OR Blue and prefer them to the Rolexes I have had. Older -rolexes had the bad bracelet and clasp and no AR coating etc. I prefer them to Tudor BB58 too.

[@felo6035]

I absolutely love Ginault. I own a Ginault Silent Service and ORV2. Both are just magnificent watches.

[@EscapementWatch]

Yes they are!

[@A_Dude_And_His_Watch78]

Killer watch that's obtainable and something you could wear and use without worrying about value or loss.

[@4everyoung869]

A Rolex sub for 1500, unbelievable

[@Timepieceguy]

I’m all for these kinds of watches . The issue is as good as it is you will always still want the Rolex .

[@EscapementWatch]

Can always get both! But rolex don't make a ceramic 5 digit at the moment.

[@mofo9900]

and when you got the rolex you want one of these for EDC 😂🙃

[@flow2tech]

No i wouldn't .. I'll take this and put Rolex money into investments and walk away happy.

[@dennischen8887]

This. Each to their own, but I personally would never buy a watch that nearly copied the Rolex 1 to 1 and slapped their own brand on there to call it a homage. It's just a nicer way of saying knock off. For over a grand, I'd probably go for a higher end Seiko or an Oris where they have their own unique designs and history.

[@nenadcubric2663]

Exactly

[@H111-y8f]

I just ordered mine i wish they have 5 link jubilee style option in future

[@ΓΙΑΝΝΗΣΠΑΠΑΔΑΚΗΣ-ν4ο]

If they ever decide to listen to their customer base and get rid of all the ridiculously long and truly unnecessary text, their watches will be almost perfect.

[@Supercruze]

Just a great looking piece with killer dimensions. Love the blue bezel with the black dial. What a looker.

[@private464]

GREAT video. I watched it at least twice. Question: is it nicer to get it perfectly symmetrical and no date OR is it better and worth it to get the magnified date version? I like both looks and don't know HOW to decide. I'm sure if I actually tried on both, I would be able to know which one I liked more, but that doesn't seem possible. Thanks

[@EscapementWatch]

Yes, absolutely get the date with magnification. It is very useful if you want to wear it as an everyday watch to have the date.

[@kbitbit]

The Rolex has the same amount of text and nobody says a thing about it. I don't have an issue with it at all. Its the watch that Rolex should be making.

[@ryan850r]

I have rhis one along with a silent service and monta OK. All 3 are excellent watches.

[@jwags24]

The only thing holding me back is the amount of text. I love the new updates!

[@rolexsubcasewearsbettertha9571]

It's the same amount on the Rolex Sub. At first I thought it was funny but after talking to Jon about the text in details I realized these guys actually thought out every word and are experts in milsub history

[@dainluke]

This is probably the only Rolex homage that can command any respect, and it's pretty much deserved. Ginault should buy some Peacock ebauches and began building their own legal clones of the cal 4130, and begin constructing some Daytona-esque watches.

[@Silverye21]

Great review and the OR2 is a stunning watch.

[@EscapementWatch]

It really is!

[@jonathanbracq]

I have the no date version. Have had a few compliments. I actually sold my Rolex sub no date, as it wasn't being worn the way it should be. So I got the Ginault as a consolation prize... I like it more 😂. Its a fantastic watch. Ill never sell it. One and done. Pure perfection. Gets worn all the time and I dont feel like I have a small house deposit on my wrist.

[@private464]

How do I choose, perfectly symmetrical no date OR the magnified date? I really don't know which one to get! How did you choose? Thanks

[@SunsetSheen]

The build quality looks flawless. The excessive dial text and enormous clasp are deal breakers.

[@rolexsubcasewearsbettertha9571]

I own a few OR2s and a 6digit Rolex Sub.the claps are the same size. As for the dial text, perhaps I'm too used to looking at my Rolex, the OR2 looks just right with the 4 lines.

[@matthewfriend6672]

Question to you: when you paid for your Ginault, - How many weeks did you have to wait for it, when it arrived at your doorstep??

[@inlandwatchreviews5745]

I am trying to think up reasons why not to buy this watch,I am having such a hard time, no Rolex for me,Ginault looks great.

[@logical333]

Just got my Ginault Ocean Rover 2, it's an awesome watch!! I like it better than my 2023 Submariner. I'm now questioning my Rolex purchase as this Ginault is very good! Wears better, bezel is better, keeps time better...

[@cheesychester9647]

Love this. I have a Silent Service and have been considering going for this later.

[@jonirwin7316]

Such a great watch! 👍

[@chinkang3566]

Many people buying Rolex watches not for quality but for vanity and investment. Fortunately Rolex now is dropping in prices thus many will be back to sanity.

[@katseverino1085]

I just received mine a few days ago. I totally agree with your assessment of this watch. I chose the same configuration as you did. Love the blue bezel.

[@gregentwistle5105]

I own the OR2 (black bezel) and was so impressed I then bought a SilentService Traveler. Ginault quality is outstanding.

[@calumpatondrone]

I have the OR2 and previously owned the OR1. The watches speak for themselves when you get them in hand. Such high quality watches - never leaving my collection and probably my most worn watch in the collection

[@watchdogpodcast239]

Homage brands can charge what they do because they apend $0 money on design. They better be good

[@johnliley]

any coupon codes?

[@pompeylad1977]

How much is it? I don’t think you mentioned it in the video? Great video, nice and in-depth, I actually like the writing on the dial, I always think more writing Looks more quality.

[@EscapementWatch]

price is always near the end of the videos! Prices range depending on color or date. about 1500-1799

[@pompeylad1977]

@@EscapementWatch ah ok, I must have missed that, thanks 👍🏻

[@nikc1313]

Just waiting on a version of this without the paragraph of text on the dial and i'm buying.

[@PanduStyleart]

I go better for a Tudor watch

[@RustyLongPipe]

My only qualm with the dated version is that the cyclops is not great.

[@RustyLongPipe]

@dellwright1407 yeh I own two. I have the first ocean rover with date but no cyclops. Absolutely flawless watch in my opinion. I also have the OR2 with date and cyclops. The cyclops is not very clear. It’s ok, but I’m used to the cyclops on my two datejusts and the OR2 cyclops seems almost a little cloudy in comparison. I also think the bracelet isn’t as good on my OR2, the edges are sharper. I am nit picking though, as it’s still a great watch.

[@buckethead84]

i know it's within cosc but i can't handle when a watch loses time

[@trooper427ss]

I have the same model. I ❤️ mine. I just wish it had female endlinks.

[@tungstencalais3201]

Why is there an essay on the dial

[@EscapementWatch]

well Rolex does that so there's that. But I honestly think Ginault thinks it looks good and likes the look. But it needs to be toned down.

[@fvlok]

I love the essay

[@RJ986S]

Great review. I am a huge fan of Ginault watches. I own three of them, two purchased directly from their website, and I picked up the third pre-owned from the auction site. They are rock-solid pieces, beautiful to look at, and are so satisfying on the wrist.

[@willf.5403]

Debating between this and the Christopher Ward C65 Aquitaine - would you ever review that watch ?

[@EscapementWatch]

Sorry I'm not familiar with that one, and I most likely wont ever review a Ward.

[@KRE8TVT]

Why not?

[@EscapementWatch]

they are big enough where they do not need coverage on youtube from tiny insignificant channels with very little loyal followers. Their communication with us is terrible at best. We've tried.

[@willf.5403]

i appreciate the response, love the channel !@@EscapementWatch

[@jackthomas6952]

Got mine on order black bezel date magnifier

[@EscapementWatch]

Congratulations Merry Christmas

[@jdupuis4829]

I have both the OR1 and OR2 and they are great watches

[@flutterstone1281]

The red second hand bugs me.

[@lockhandel]

The AR coating is 🔥

[@melissasmess2773]

Me think me likes 😍👍

[@valeryt1997]

I’ve watched your video like 10 times you did a great job at showcasing every detail about it. I think the only negative is those hands need some work. I’m surprised they let such a beautifully finished watch and dial have those hands that type of finishing. Even so that’s the best homage yet!

[@superfast30]

Love it!

[@isrstrategies]

Is it nicer than a superclone that is 700 and 98 percent accurate as Rolex

[@tennistron588]

Have handled both, the bezel, crystal and Bracelet are miles better on the Ginault.

[@rolexsubcasewearsbettertha9571]

Ginault's owner is also the watchmaker and if you do your research you will see he builds better quality stuff than the superclones.

[@cedarcanoe]

People who never held a Guinault will not believe you. People who only read the accusations of counterfeiting will skip a Guinault. I own a prototype Guinault no-date, one if the first, and I can tell you I sold my Rolex 14660 because the Guinault was just as good. If not better.

[@Laguna2013]

@4:47 that seconds hand looks pretty rough?

[@simmysharma6845]

😊👍👍👍

[@finnnagner1755]

Considering the unique features of the Richard Mille RM 26-01, acquiring this timepiece involves a different approach than traditional watches. The RM 26-01 boasts a tourbillon movement, making it a rare and exquisite investment in the world of horology. Its limited production and intricate design suggest potential appreciation in value over time.

[@Kananond]

That RM 2601 is hideous and gaudy

[@rodsalvador3608]

Beautiful! Brands like Ginault can do what they do because they spend money on finishing, construction and distribution. No or not much R&D needed on movement, or investment in marketing or retail distribution. I'm glad these brands exist, so consumers can spend your money on what they value; if you'd like to support legacy brand infrastructure, that's cool as well. Cheers!

[@anc8979]

What is the big deal, if you are copying 85% from the Rolex Sub. You see one, you see them all.

[@AdamPark-uq6cn]

Lots of companies copies Rolex Subs, but Ginault also copied the quality of the Rolex Sub. The craftsmanship is bar none.

[@kewlger]

Damn, god damn. I might have to buy this AND the no date is cheaper?? The text is a little ludicrous lol

[@appleratpipe]

I got or2. Unreal watch

[@willf.5403]

Would you prefer the silent service or OR2 for your personal collection ?

[@EscapementWatch]

OR2 I prefer the sizing

[@mikekingsborough1]

How does this remind you of a 4 digit sub? It doesn't look like a 5513 at all to me. It has 4 lines of text whereas the 5513 had 2, hardly any chamfers, no dommed crystal, bidirectional clicking bezel and not a friction-based one, the modern-looking bracelet, steel surrounds, date window, I don't see it? LOL. Looks much closer to a 16800, 14060, or 16610. If I was going for a 4 digit interpretation, and how it would look today, this wouldn't be it for me.

[@EscapementWatch]

mostly its because the bezel fades on the 5513 from black to blue and this has a blue bezel. That was why I said that lol

[@mikekingsborough1]

@@EscapementWatch Got it. When I saw this I went more towards a neo-vintage sub. The correlation between an old mrk 1 - mrk 5 insert and this watch didn't register to me. I guess because everything is so overwhelmingly modern. But I can see it now. That said, I'd like to see an intentional 4-digit sub interpretation by a brand. A matte dial, low-beat movement, a true dome crystal, a longer lug-to-lug length - maybe even be able to use 580 rolex end links? That would be cool. I could compromise on a modern insert, but aluminum - not ceramic. And would be okay to have a fake rivet-style bracelet like Tudors. Most importantly, super wide chamfers - Tudor has that right on their 54 and 58.

[@bicmac333]

Sorry Ginault, the finishing of the second hand is a little bit poor...

[@katseverino1085]

I noticed that, too. Hoping maybe they fixed that, because I just ordered that exact model. I could give 2 craps about the controversy. Who cares! You can’t even buy a Rolex, if you want one. This will do me, just fine.

[@alexxela3933]

Love Ginault quality, had many rolexes and wearing a ginault makes me happier than wearing a rolex... Just bc rolex image nowadays sucks and their games with AD and flippers are disgusting. I have one OR 2 no date and it's better than modern subs imo, the greatest cues of the crown over the last 65 years... And you can get one, and it cost 1,5 k new...

[@daleyfamily2179]

Come on man lol, that's like say I have had several Porsche's but I just love my VW bug better. Sorry don't buy that's better than Rolex lol. This has to be a bot comment.

[@flow2tech]

​@@daleyfamily2179I have both.. I wont say it's better but i will say no way in hell the Rolex worth that much more if your going of build spec alone.. It just isn't .. Also the Ginault sits better on the wrist than the sub.. You are largely paying for brand cache.

[@alexxela3933]

@@daleyfamily2179 wrong analogy, I just don't like rolex brand image anymore... Some models are appealing yes, I've owned quite a few yes... But the problem I have is with the brand and the image going with it. Did I kept any? No Would I buy one again? No Do I find more satisfaction with other brands? Yes Hope the above will bring a better understanding...

[@toddfleury7324]

GMT please

[@EscapementWatch]

It's coming. shhhhh

[@toddfleury7324]

@@EscapementWatch take my money

[@PhillipHogg-n5h]

Your wrong, it does have the brand name, American made. ❤😊👍🌏

[@scootermann83]

That bracelet looks amazing, the build quality overall looks excellent. I'd prefer a sterile dial though, too much text and the brand Ginault sounds like the family name of inbred French-Canadians Edit: just saw the retail price on these, that shitty seconds hand is unacceptable!

[@mattsmiley8156]

Sold my silent service for little less than I paid new. Loved it. But wanted to the money to hunt for an OR2 with the gold sand lume. Was able to get a brand new one. Should be here within a month. The clarity and overall quality on the Ginault are just mind boggling. My only “complaint” is that the packaging could be a tad more upscale. And a fitted rubber strap straight from Ginault would be a nice addition. But can’t wait for my OR2

[@datboytalkinrungotellem]

No comments about the controversy surrounding the owner of Ginault?

[@rawz05]

What have I missed?

[@alexxela3933]

Just stay focus with the watch, there's water under the bridge really... Every watch brand has skeletons in their closet.

[@yankeexpress]

@@rawz05- a lot….do your due diligence.

[@usevisine3198]

@@rawz05 Gist of it is the owner Tsung Chi aka Thomas Caddell (Thomas Caddell is not a real person), owner of Ginault, has counterfeiter ties. Not homages but actual counterfeits. And then all of a sudden he uses the spare counterfeit parts to make Ginault watches and it's supposed to be a legit, clean watch company now? Shady stuff.

[@nvc.]

I will disagree on this one, the last 40mm Submariner is the perfect submariner imo..

[@NotoriousK_I_T]

What was the scandal with Ginault a few years ago?

[@nenadcubric2663]

So is just another Rolex Copy 😂😂😂

[@rolexsubcasewearsbettertha9571]

Yes it's another Sub homage, but No it's unlike all the other ones done before. From a quality point, the OR2 is very close to what the Sub is representing, the quality is amazing! From a design point of view the OR2 is a diehard Sub fan's wet dream. Keeping that beautiful classic 5-digit's balance and proportions and a logical evolution of what a MilSub would be if Rolex were to make it today.

[@chinkerrtruong6581]

If I had this, then everytime I looked at it I’d secretly wished I had a Rolex. But that’s just me, each to their own…

[@TheKopolanpoika]

I bought used Ocean Rover II with navy bezel and first I was very disappointed because the bezel numbers were ugly gray in any light. I asked Ginault founder John is it normal and his tips was clean the bezel with toothbrush. After that bezel numbers got that platina color back and now it change colors to silver to white, depending on light. I absolutely love the watch, but I still would like logo silhouette to the clasp. I asked that and John said they didn't get it work out as they would like it. That's only thing I would change/add.

[@MegaRich7]

Get rid of the Cyclops and give the date window a nice silver edge as per hour markers. Also, get rid of all the busy text that kills the watch.

[@rolexsubcasewearsbettertha9571]

You can order the date model without the Cyclops, it's customizable. The text is fine for me, in keeping with my Rolex which I am used to looking at.

[@peterlandbo2726]

Why use all these "great parts", "superb engineering" and "craftmanship up there with the big boys" to make a COPY of the Rolex Submariner!? With resources such as these it shouldn't be difficult for Ginault to come up with an original design! You'll wear this, and people will constantly ask: "Is it a real or a fake Rolex?" As it has about a whole page of James Joyce's "Ulysses" on the dial - it will be recognized as fake rather quickly

[@EscapementWatch]

This is for people who love the Rolex design language but don't want to pay 5-10x the money for a watch. They also appreciate a quality product and do not support fakes. There are also many Ginault buyers who would buy a Rolex if Rolex allowed them too. They are against buying in the grey market. For them they will wait on the wait list for 2-5 years and in the meantime the Ginault will get the call!

[@DeOmnibusDubitandum76]

Lots of watch in materials and quality, but it remains a sub homage. That makes it too expensive. I'd rather get a San Martin, which is still a homage watch, but with great quality for just $300, including an excellent blue lume. If I had close to 2 grand to spend on a timepiece, I would look elsewhere for an original from another brand, or save a bit more for an Omega.

[@rolexsubcasewearsbettertha9571]

Why does a homage have to be inferior in quality? That's very odd thinking. Can't I want a Rolex homage and also close to Rolex quality? I have handled a few San Mar before while they are ok for the price, Ginault's quality is leagues above and ahead, close to Rolex/Tudor. You are basically buying Rolex Sub quality watch for 1/10th the price.

[@plantemichel]

The 9 o’clock marker is not aligned correctly nice video by the way😃. Also I don’t like the bubble at 3 o’clock. You should do a review of the Momentum Sea Quartz 30 from the Canadian Company Momentum.😃 And I’m missing the entry song when you start your video. 😃

[@EscapementWatch]

The song plays in the background during the review but yeah I get you. I loved it too. But viewer drop off was high because of those long intros so I was forced to stop them. :(

[@cedarcanoe]

9o’clock marker IS aligned

[@HansZarkovPhD]

But its not a rolex and pretentious people buy rolexes to wave under the nose of people. No one will be impressed by this watch

[@EscapementWatch]

Not true. On 3 different occasions I've shown it to 3 people and all 3 were impressed. One was a grey market dealer, one was a normie and other was an enthusiast. All were impressed. So your're wrong.

[@rolexsubcasewearsbettertha9571]

I own a few Rolex and a few Tudor, I am pretty impressed by the quality and how the OR2 handles. It's pretty impressive. Of course, if you are the type that is insecure and needs to wear fancy name brands to earn respect, this isn't for you.

[@zoltans72]

Before you buy this watch or any other from the brand , search the internet to see if you can support a scammer like Ginault. It is basically equal to buy a fake Rolex even if it does not say that on the dial.

[@dieselboi91]

The original blog posts detailing the evidence that Ginault was in the replica business have all since been taken down by the original poster. It is still all speculation with no definitive conclusion. I’ve reached out to the original poster several times in the last few years requesting more information about their sources and not a single response. This really makes me think whether these posts by the original poster was some competitor trying to hurt Ginault’s business and reputation. Nothing is known about this user within the community and they just randomly popped out of the blue one day with the claim that Ginault had a shady past. I’ve dove deep into my own research into this brand and I’ve come to my own conclusion that they are great micro brand company making quality pieces. If they were in the replica business, then they have since turned around and started off fresh. Not saying what they did was right if the claims were true, but going legit despite having a shady past is always a good thing in my books for someone who wants to have another go in life. Rolex is also not as innocent as a lot of fan boys put them out to be either with a ton of unethical practices and shutting down small mom and pop stores just because they did some legal business dealings that they did not agree with. My advice for anyone is to do your own extensive research and make your own conclusions in order for you to make a well informed purchase.

[@katseverino1085]

The Rolex Submariner is, itself, an homage to the Blancpain 50 fathoms. No difference here.

[@rawz05]

The San Martin MilSub SN0111 or the older SN006 MilSub would give this a run for its money. It’s that well built. They can be had for around $150-200.

[@alexxela3933]

I'd agree it's well built, however ginault is leagues above... Have you held one in person?

[@Gary-li7ib]

I've got the same watch and also own 3 San Martin's. I like San Martin's but the Ginault is far superior in just about every aspect. I was amazed at the Ginault when it arrived

[@eric_gottlieb]

I own a San Martin and I’m extremely satisfied with it. My coworker has an Ocean Rover and the finish is way beyond what SM is doing, and with a better movement as well. They both represent good value at different price points.

[@Kananond]

I was considering a SM but can't stand their logo

[@jeejkee6471]

I think their watches look very refined. However in my opinion that’s not enough to compensate for a lower power reserve. Should be at least 60 hrs.

[@chubbycheeks2731]

Man what a watch

[@Not-a-bot222]

Hmmm…I mean, shit. Pretty good