ESO PvP & How I'd Fix It :) - [Elder Scrolls Online]

A quick overview of the current state of ESO PvP and some changes I would implement in order to bring more balance and life back into it.
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[@mincvinyl]

Yes, we need to go back to no stackable dots and hots. It barely would affect solo, smallman to a degree, but large zergs and ballgroups would finally be in check. The lag would be substantially reduced instead of a 12 man group with 144 ticks or radiant going off per second per hot Chance proc sets even with a cooldown would load up the server. Proc set cooldowns should all be defender based.... no reason 7 tarnished should go off on me in a gcd. Itll curb meta forming proc sets to a degree. No health cap, itll never get adjusted and be hit with inflation. Instead make healing skills scale more with max mag and stam instead of wd and sd. Then rebalance armor glyphs so triglyphs arent more efficient. Add dual armor glyphs (stam+health mag+health mag+stam) rebalance the foods cuz those are so unbalanced. Remove or heavily adjust heals that scale with max hp. Necro just failed as a class. The corpse system didnt have or use enough corpses. Harmony was a gimmick and shouldnt have been an "identity". Much like nightblade identity being only merciless. .............. Cyro needs new ruleset geared towards helping against a decling population. One major issue is no frontline. Random keeps get seiged all over the place making the campaign feel dead. Make it so only frontline keeps can be seiged. Add transit lines to outposts from trikeeps. When your faction is losing, you also get weaker as a player. Swap this such that the underdogs get boosted, to help prevent players from leaving. Combat wise abilities and counterplay is so fucked. Nobody knows what is going on anymore. For new players this is so crippling, they just leave. Skills are a paragraph long like yugioh cards, as are sets. Not to mention those skills feel worthless most of the time damage wise compared to how they used to. I guess to think of it another way, your overall damage output used to mainly be skill danage and ultimates. Now it is like 20% skill damage 40% proc/passive damage and 40% ult damage.

[@Jurra-x]

Better if they could get it to be 60% skill 30% ult 10% proc cos they won't remove em Nowadays just feels like ultimates are not ultimates they're just a 6th skill you slap on a timer especially during 1v1s

[@mincvinyl]

@@Jurra-x Just look at a dizzy build. Before it used to be simple damage and a knockup IF you land it. Now adays it is a paragraph long with hidden offbalance mechanics not listed anywhere how they work. (except incorrect youtuber shitty forums that are never up to date, or list any decent information.) I used to do 1/3 of peoples healthbars with dizzy swing. Now maybe 1/10th? Comparing identical builds from the day. Sets, skill layouts and all. dots and debuffs were originally designed to be supplemental (10% of your output). That grew as they added to the game, and eventually added in damage proc sets that break the GCD system and are worth 2-3 skill casts.

[@gronkogronksen9603]

​@@mincvinylI'm sorry but this take is literally garbage

[@mincvinyl]

@@gronkogronksen9603 cool, maybe you could articulate why

[@PurrfectLaw]

Honesty those would be great changes 👍

[@hvdiv17]

I would buff all the guards health by 50% and they only cast negate🤣

[@Takeavacation30]

That tarnished nightmare set is absolutely insane I run it on my nightblade in BGs & IC omg it’s crazy. Only people I have a hard time killing with it are Teleporting Sorcs, DK, & Wardens…. Them mfs just don’t die lol especially wardens

[@Kalam0n]

I'll refrain from chiming in on the balance/health/healing stuff, but if it makes PvP feel more accessible to casuals, that's a win in my book. As for the weekend idea though, I think they should rotate it. One weekend per month is BG weekend, one weekend per month is Cyrodiil weekend, and one weekend per month is Imperial City weekend. Everybody gets to enjoy their preferred flavor of PvP with extra population once a month.

[@flamehands3416]

With the recent gutting of azureblight and new pvp sets cyro is just siege battle and ball groups. Kind of disappointed in this game now

[@lordvaldus839]

Yea people salty night blades were able to counter the tank ball meta cause they wanted to cheese, Now it’s about to get really toxic.

[@chrisxl5152]

Revert back to rolls for classes. Templar is the class with good heals. Dk is the master of CCs. Warden is the tank. Sorc has the mobility. And necro can resurrect players and apply debuffs. Nightblade hits the hardest and is the squishiest.. 25% to proc a set with a 15 second cooldown before the dice can be rolled again. Give us back counter play. Dk gets his deflects back on any projectile. We should be able to bash any attack with a certain cast time. No more high resources and high damage at the same time. No more damage scaling off of health. If you have 50k hp you better be debuffing, holding a shield and doing 5 damage.

[@ionut-cristianratoi7692]

I pretty much agree with all of this, except the double Tel Var, which will most likely make it worse, as people will be incentivized to go to imperial only on week-end and discourage them in the week.

[@trevortrott9741]

bro the first thing you said about stackable heals is the only thing I want them to get rid of the game would be 100% better at that point

[@seabhacgra517]

So many great takes on this one!!I have to agree with you on healing on this one Sekaar. Healing is SO overpowered in PvP.. only issue is it's hard to nerf the healing and not affect PvE and then make something like vet trials impossible lol. And as far as procs sets,.. as soon as they give my Arcanist back my execute so I have burst DPS again, leave the procs alone lol.. they help me with burst DPS in PvP now that my flail execute was unceremoniously removed for no good reason. Great video regardless! Subbed!

[@jasonchui111]

Necro is the king of duels. Health degen you all day until you hit negative regen. That and group rez is all they are good for.

[@ImPoStier]

I think they should re design all the cyrodiil keeps and make them super different to one another

[@agoomba6994]

I hate to be the one to argue with good ideas, but idk if removing heal stacking would be a beneficial or real fix. I'd personally make healing/damage shields scale off of sources of healing power then make it so the main source of healing power, to reach those insane healing potentials, comes from a light armor passive. light armor is prolly used 0 percent of the time by the veteran community. it's an exaggeration but not only would this fix the insane healing/shielding of most players, but also make full light armor builds more viable hopefully.

[@imnotsurewho3479]

@Sekaar not sure if you were around in the beforefore times where proc sets were largely chance based and they changed them I think largely because of the number of checks on the server they were causing. So I think they made a conscious choice to move away from the chance based procs for performance reasons. To what end, well...that's debateable and I largely agree with your opinion there. +1 to your Necro points though. I've kept tried to making my magcro work and its just not working out. Magicka blastbones is so useless its beyond me. For a class that's kind of meant to be a DoT class based on its passives, it really doesn't do that very well either. I'm at a loss and just largely shelve the character for now.

[@stonic5]

All proc being chance based would drastically reduce the fun of using them. Fk balance of it means making things less fun.

[@pickle1200]

Penalty to dmg and healing in battle spirit as soon as you hit 35k health. That would stop a lot of the issues. Also diminishing returns on resources for more than 3pcs heavy.

[@albundy7991]

and over 30k resistances

[@Jurra-x]

Back in the very early days when resources were like 4 digits eg 2k mag or stam, 3k hp instead of 5 digits etc soft caps existed where you reached a threshold and then each increase gave diminishing returns simple way to stop tanks having crazy resources management plus insane hp Also stops weird stuff like mag sorcs with 40k mag 30k hp (which becomes 40k cos you have 10k shield) Just my 2 cents

[@mincvinyl]

The issue you described is that triglyphs and the food system are not balanced at all. To top it off, max stats mean nothing on anything except on magsorc builds. Damage skills scale 50% with WD and 100% more with pen outgoing tooltip wise...... so why would you choose to stack max stam/mag instead of just health (food, attribute, glyphs)

[@Jurra-x]

@@mincvinyl yeah I've only recently come back and it's been really strange to see that max stats are more or less worthless nowadays Just build max hp spell dmg and you're good to go it's very odd IMO

[@chasecoats7711]

I love tanking as a stage 4 vampire nightblade

[@Elysium888-g3f]

Another improvement thought - Whatever happened to Redguards? They could get some help from ESO too. Lost and forgotten for too long. Time for some resurgence?

[@daledelatte9607]

Pvp heals limited to 10% max health and no stackable cross heals would 100% fix pvp

[@USMC--]

Best PVP was when it was no proc. It showed who was being carried by proc sets.

[@03adrian88]

You can't fix years of neglect!

[@zeeninjatrongamer5652]

Exactly if they don't care they don't care or they would have made positive changes already the game is on life support cruising along on bear minimum effort that can't last players will get bored and move to a game that cares

[@ESO_PRIME]

Great points! I like it all, except the proc idea. It’s so engraved into the system now. Be very difficult to change. The health cap is the best idea. I ALWAYS tea bag tanks, even if u can’t kill them. 🤬🤬🤬🤬☠️

[@skulpturostone4621]

Proc damage sets are not too much of a problem, compared to poor class balance.

[@XxPLoSiVeZ]

Blastbones is really nice, major & minor defile. Hits for 9-12k, I like it

[@Alexandre.Charron]

Wait, we haven't seen the arrival of the tanks with the permanent anti-cc banners yet.

[@haviksan]

Bring back infinite imperial city district spawns

[@lordvaldus839]

Ngl the chance to proc is a dumb idea especially to metion “skill” after. If you are being honest esp is not a high skill gap game it’s not complex enough. Making the set basically rng is the complete opposite of skill based gameplay. Game would become whoever had better luck at proving the set wins the fight no way you thought that through.

[@Gade_Thrash]

There's not much to get new players into PVP. Think about how the noob tube in COD let inexperienced players get 1 kill before they die. There's nothing like that in ESO (or most MMOs) that will just hook a player into PVP.

[@xjuggyxx2239]

How to fix eso stop complaining about the wrong stuff and complain about the right stuff 1 Stop punishing people that have skills because u have seat time and enjoy the combat 2 stop complain about 1vxes play the game and get skilled at it 3 no one cares that u Zerg no one cares if play the game u bought but stop asking to be hand shit for free because u want to play once a month 4 fix the severs and bring in a rouge faction That is all

[@Flagg127]

Spot on with this. I would add finally splitting pve and pvp completely. Drop CP and pve sets from pvp, and use the absurd amount of pvp sets to compensate for the loss. Perhaps then zos could actually address pvp balance issues in a more direct way.

[@mincvinyl]

Zos said multiple times that they wont split up pve and pvp because it will absolutely split up the playerbase and wall it off. Skills wont act differently, and sets wont act differently. I do agree that CP could be removed in pvp entirely with no issues. Itll never happen though because people like having their progression matter..... silly, since everyone is at cp cap.

[@Flagg127]

@@mincvinyl Truly unfortunate that, keeping them tied together has never been healthy balance wise. That being said they have done something similar in no cp, where as proc sets don't function. I wonder, if progression does matter that much to players, instead of a the cp system which is moot at this point would a seasonal buff system be more interesting?

[@mincvinyl]

@@Flagg127 cp progression is set in stone for the next 5 years atleast. The systems zos is standardizing were pushed through by a board....they would have had this tied to a multi year plan. I couldnt see them adding another end game progression system ontop of it. You can have pve and pvp tied together, Really I see no issues with it currently. Issues only arose with raid groups not wanting to coordinate builds around the dots not stacking. Allowing dots and hots to stack was a MASSIVE mistake pvp wise, but pve it allowed raid guilds to not care who grouped running what. Otherwise I cant think of any ongoing pve and pvp conflicts of design. Maybe there could be a conflict with movement speed as we have 4x the old movement speed. If speed was ever standardized we may see some raid issues with people not moving out of circles quick enough....... but id say L2p in that situation.

[@Flagg127]

@@mincvinyl I agree that hot and dot stacking is one of the biggest problems. So bad in fact I started questioning if cross healing was appropriate at all. My biggest complaint about balance is lack of build diversity. Last I can recall there are roughly 600 sets or so in game, and I doubt even 100 are in use. The farm something just to have it nerfed to the point it's not even viable becomes incredibly tedious and boring.

[@mincvinyl]

@@Flagg127 Yeah the set aspect of the game isnt really geared towards a balanced play environment. Instead they are making it based around card games that have the quarterly card release metas that show up. Hots and dots not stacking would be the least intrusive gameplay wise. Your other option is preventing heals and buffs from crossing out of groups. Which I would also like to see, not only from a group balance standpoint, but from a lag performance standpoint.

[@skulpturostone4621]

Double telvar?! Are you nuts?! Everyone gets enough at mahem events. So more and more people go and buy stuff for actual tel var instead of gold. How df am I supposed to earn money on PvPing in IC, if everyone has a sht tonn of tel var?

[@Real_JasonX]

Fix the servers, balance self-healing, and restore class roles. Too many streamers push for 1vX and duels, then complain about zergs and ganking, the very playstyle the game was built for. Cyrodiil was designed for siege warfare, inspired by the Realm vs. Realm system from Dark Age of Camelot PvP. Zergs are essential for capturing and defending keeps efficiently and quickly. There's this BS trend of shaming players who don’t want to engage in face-to-face duels or 1vX combat and play a stealth gank role. Those rolls are needed in a good siege warfare game and we have a group of people trying to to kill that roll. The true objective of a siege warfare game has been lost due to their idea of 'quality streaming content.' The game needs to return to its intended purpose, with class roles restored. A perfect example of the system being broken is Nightblade tank healers, which completely undermines the class structure. Catering to players who want every role in one class has created a meta where every class is overly tanky with excessive self-healing abilities."

[@liekosdawn]

Stop. 😂

[@MarioRichards-r1t]

Luz Highway

[@janusys]

They cannot implement a change that kills or penalize a specific playstyle, and health tank is a playstyle that some people like (I don't btw) It's like free speech. I may not like what you say, but I'll fight for your right to do so.

[@DelMeshew-q4z]

Hauck Harbors

[@liekosdawn]

As bummed as I am to say it, PvP is absolutely cooked in ESO. Unless they make a lot of drastic changes, which they’ve shown to be unlikely, it’ll remain a perma life proc tank zerg fest. Personally, as a console player, I’m going to New World on Oct. 15th. Console PvP in ESO is entirely trash.

[@boyreason9213]

Same. I just don’t like the fact that ZOS is always nerfing. Every time I adapt my build it gets nerfed. Happened about 6 times. I’ll be playing New World.

[@jayjesse77]

So is cooked a bad thing or a good thing now

[@liekosdawn]

@@jayjesse77 bad. Abysmal

[@KaiserBNB]

@@jayjesse77 someone cooked = good something/someone IS cooked = bad

[@jayjesse77]

@@KaiserBNB thanks go let the Internet know

[@nickjames841]

1st! Fix the servers and it will be much better. That needs to happen before anything else. The game is downright unplayable at times. I get setting up combos and skills to hit, but there’s times where a 1 second lag means you get annihilated. IC…tough one, if you didn’t lose so much telvar on death i think it would be more alive. When i telvar farm, i sneak around and run at the first enemy i see. I’m a mid at best PvP player. Half the time any 1v1 i get into results in about a 3 mins duel and then us parting ways in a stalemate. Tanks, I’d say are worse on console. PC has borderline cheats for add ons (squishy finder is a perfect example). For a mid tier PvP player like myself, i feel like I’m at the mercy of my controllers input ability, bar swaps not registering, does my target input actually work, etc. Tanks, i just don’t see how they have fun.

[@atomtan99]

I had tarnish shower in alessia other day and that was not fun 😂

[@weebingout2240]

Sekaar work on not coping every time you die then give an opinion on a game lmao like how you only run most broken sets/cheese builds and cry when die mate?

[@lt.danicecream]

It's over

[@Am_Dln]

Spicy

[@aki13lack]

kill healer first than easy game

[@JackyCool-]

Only fix possible is cross play

[@papasquatch2432]

If they did that I wouldn't ever complain about the game again. Lol

[@JackyCool-]

@@papasquatch2432 same

[@shinobi007YT]

This is the way. The population would be increased so damn much, all queues is be legit 2-5 mins

[@JackyCool-]

@@shinobi007YT On PS EU we have like 2 bars each prime time except weekend. During the undaunted event was even less. I know xbox eu also has population issues. They should at least merge consoles ngl. Im in the Forums constantly making threads about it but we know zos.

[@viciousct8176]

@@JackyCool-zos has already stated that it would be a very long and expensive process to implement crossplay