ESPN Boxing was WRONG about Modern 4 Belt Era

This video provides an explanation of how and why ESPN Boxing was factually incorrect on several counts of a graphic they posted in a recent broadcast involving the modern 4 belt era, and the number of men who have genuinely earned undisputed distinction during the modern 4 belt era.
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This episode of Rummy's Corner was written, narrated, and produced by Geoffrey Ciani (aka - Rummy).
ESPN Boxing was WRONG about Modern 4 Belt Era

[@Camcolito]

In 2057 to be undisputed you will need the belt, the gold belt, the super belt, the franchise belt, the gold belt with diamonds, the super-duper belt, the belt with oak leaves and diamonds, the Hello Kitty belt, the Louis Vuitton limited-edition belt, a seatbelt, a piece of string belt, and a partridge in a pear tree wearing a belt (for all 17 official sanctioning bodies).

[@rohezie8194]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 facts

[@frankmatthews5491]

and munguia jr and charlo jr will duck all of them

[@josevillegas9009]

Bro that was fucking awesome . I really hope you're having a great day and stay funny my man, that was just something else🤣

[@josevillegas9009]

"Seatbelt " "Louis Vuitton limited edition"

[@theunknownstuntman4010]

This has made my day 🤣

[@HeyPachuc0]

I think James Toney said it best: "The WBC stands for We Be Crooks, and the WBO, we don't even count that."

[@keepingitrealestate3357]

Whatever Bob Orders

[@claudiomonreal4822]

@@keepingitrealestate3357 lol like that they didn't even give Floyd the belt win he won

[@freezhollywood]

@@keepingitrealestate3357 🤣🤣🤣

[@donovanwilliams9006]

Crazy thing is, the WBO might be the straightest one of the lot nowadays

[@ritzkola2302]

WBC “we back canelo”

[@jimmyferguson2660]

ESPN did the same thing with lomochenko having him as undefeated when he had one lose on his record

[@AliFrankTheTank]

😂😂😂😂 that was uncanny

[@jehdee22]

I remember that🤣

[@amgfresh154]

@@jehdee22 when did they did that

[@jehdee22]

@@amgfresh154 it was before the Lomanchenco Lopez fight...they listed him as 14-0-0 or or however many fights he had at that point....he was 14-1-0 at the time however...I could be off by a win or 2 as well.

[@ritzkola2302]

Who could forget that lol

[@Kingwboxing]

The Franchise belt is the witness protection belt. It ain’t a real belt but protects you from mandatory opponents.

[@greengecko5788]

The duck belt

[@ritzkola2302]

💯

[@ComaToast1]

100%

[@YAH995]

STRAIGHT FACTS FROM RUMMY!!! ESPN's inconsisteny in this matter, only to promote their own fighters, pissed me off so much. I hope Haney put this stupid franchise debate to rest. And I hope Mauricio gets sacked, he's bad for boxing

[@GbV5511]

Suleiman has so many videos claiming that the WBC franchise was not an actual belt but a “status” lol this is the type of problem that makes ppl not like boxing and gets them too confused to become invested in the sport. Love the video. Great breakdown Rummy!!

[@chadallenchan]

he also had many videos saying Teo and George were undisputed champs lol. sulaiman is full of shit just out there to get sanctioning fees

[@bobbyongsueco6515]

@@chadallenchan Sulaiman is the one who created the confusion June 10. 2022. 3pm Philippine time

[@J4sse]

Needs to be investigated.

[@TheCasanovaPugilist147]

If I was Haney, I would throw both the WBC belts in the garbage.

[@GodsonFPS]

I remember when ESPN Listed Loma as undefeated even though he lost to solido.

[@barnabyssjones]

a minor typo and right below where it had the improper record in a paragraph, it had his actual record and it was correct with the losses. if you scrolled down a few inches and didn’t get fooled so easily by “new media” you would know that

[@hebisty4163]

He wasn’t fooled by anyone cos he knew the record was a lie what are you on about?

[@Ghragle-]

It’s crazy because I never thought kambosas had a chance. Only a punchers chance. It seemed so obvious.

[@raxmanbox]

Haney dominated with the jab and not unsurprisingly given how much kambosos struggled with Selby's jab... but kambosos also really struggled with the size of the event. The pressure of the home crowd, big event... kambosos choked! He was fair too caught up in mouthing off and mind games, but he cracked himself! Not making Wright was the clearest indication. But trying to box Haney? Insane!

[@makeboxinggreatagain4331]

Thank you. I’ve been telling people before the Haney fight watch kambosos vs Lee selby if you want to see how much of a chance kambosos has against Haney, Lee selby is the most telling fight in kambosos career, that’s who he is and who he’s always going to be.

[@thepanther5020]

I can’t believe there still up there

[@banebanelyxxx]

Great content as usual Rummy! Thanks for all you do!

[@mz.joette9105]

You are 1000% correct!! These old media scumbags always try to rewrite history but no one takes them series anymore!! Especially ESPN🙄. Congrats Devin its very well deserved😉

[@tjayenterprises5190]

Another thing they got wrong was George kambosos going for Australias first undisputed champion Kostya tszyu was

[@anonymousprofessor8866]

Yeah I remember Kostya Tszyu knocking out Zab Judah. Had him on stanky legs tripping over his own leg.

[@jasonmusic3]

Great content as always! Thanks Bro! You put a lot of time into your videos.... It's well appreciated 👍🏾

[@cookiebozo]

Rummy, we love your analysis and your detailed passionate well informed observations. Your predictions even more ❤️. Your predictions make you human, without them no one would believe you were a mere mortal.

[@fasasitaiwo5782]

Nice video as always Rummy Taiwo watching from Nigeria 🇳🇬👍🏿.Haney was quick with his Jabs and a wonderful footwork he won almost all the rounds he truly deserve it.Congratulations to him.

[@bluebloodsportstv9175]

I LOVE THIS CHANNEL

[@tonysr1983]

My boy Blue!

[@BruceWayne-he6hb]

Old media voiceover with new media values ☝🏿💯🏆

[@prolific1870]

Salute 🔵🔴

[@jehdee22]

Blue Blood salute fam!

[@ritzkola2302]

💯

[@kuwaitisnotadeployment1373]

I've got into so many arguments trying to explain this to people that I just gave up. It's nice to just have a video to direct people to from now on.

[@1punchbrownyt338]

If i had nickel everytime Rummy complained about the 4 sanctioning bodies

[@nevertheless3856]

You kept it real here Rummy. Another great video! 👍🏿

[@omarvazquez3355]

Rummy.... you are truly a gift from God. Your videos are so entertaining but most importantly they are informative. I absolutely love everything about them. I tell all my friends and family to subscribe to you. Keep it up man. Love you!!

[@RummysCorner]

Thank you!

[@proptalknation9142]

Honestly thank you for un biase opinion/ commentary most importantly thank you and I say this from all your subscribers thank you for not using click bait the sport of boxing can Honestly use more channels like this 💯

[@flavi0r]

Great research! Very informative

[@davidgregory2434]

I can always count on rummy to keep it honest, thank you for keeping the history of boxing accurate 🤜🏾🤛🏻

[@nickharmer3049]

Great stuff Rummy. A true reflection of what us real boxing fans think.! Bless up bro 👊

[@YoJayJay88]

I think Teofimo should have been undisputed, I consider him that. Lomachenko won 3 belts, exchanged 1 for an equivalent belt according to the WBC, and Teofimo won the 4th. The WBC belt wasn't "Lost" in any traditional sense. He deserved that rating, as controversial as the Loma fight was, the fact he took him on at his age is something else.

[@johnmarkson1998]

yep this exactly. haney was never the real champ just handed the belt. the true undisputed was loma and everyone after it.

[@ywdw]

Nah loma gave up his belt to avoid Haney.

[@funkrates4778]

@@johnmarkson1998 Not Loma besucase he needed the IBF belt. Lopez had that. Lopez was the first undisputed champion.

[@Duran420]

@@johnmarkson1998 lomo was never undisputed that's why when you look at the list of undisputed teofimo or loma is not there

[@burna5hunid]

Loma duck that smoke and teo and Kambosos had that bs franchise belt that holds no weight

[@dereklemieux1340]

excellent work. this was super informative. thanks Rummy!

[@YoungblazinKTN]

Thank You for pointing these out. You and BlueBlood Sports TV are the 1st Ones to actually Mentioning these Facts.

[@dutchtownbubby]

Love your videos brother, keep up the great work

[@theowilson8996]

THIS THIS THIS!!! BRO.. this is what I've been trying to articulate for the longest time. This is a favorite video now.

[@RickHuangUSC]

Love the Godfather clip inserts! Great video Rummy!!

[@jehdee22]

To be the Undisputed Champion in the 4 belt era you need the following Super WBA World Title WBC World Title IBF World Title WBO World Title The WBC Franchise Title does not qualify as 1 of the WORLD Titles required to be undisputed champion thus Lomanchenco, Lopez, and Kambosos were not an undisputed champion and never were. They were missing the WBC World Title.

[@alexlilano1931]

Having these many belts is stupid. Haney got handed a vacant belt and beat one guy who over performed with Teo and now Haney is undisputed.

[@jehdee22]

@@alexlilano1931 oh I agree it is obsured... but it wasnt Haneys fault Lomanchenco chose to drop his WBC World Title and accept the WBC Franchise Title...Haney cant force Lomanchenco to fight him...Haney already said he wants to fight either Tank or Lomanchenco for his first defense but he knows Kambosos will active his rematch clause so he will beat him again..if he cant get Tank or Lomanchenco after this pointless Kambosos rematch then he will move up go 140 and go after the title that was just stripped from Josh Taylor and then go for Josh Taylor for undisputed...I feel Haney is showing his greatness by making these active choices and taking a stand for the great sport of boxing If 4 belts is what is required then it is what it is....but I do think they need to get rid of the 4th belt...go back to 3

[@kingkingf]

@@jehdee22 can you elaborate on how Loma dropped the world title and got the franchise title? Did he drop it because he didn't want to fight a mandatory or was it more like just an exchange of the two wbc belts?

[@jehdee22]

@@kingkingf I couldnt tell you why he dropped it. He had the opportunity to fight Haney and he could have kept it or drop it and fight Teofimo for the IBF....i have no clue why he made that choice however...

[@ritzkola2302]

@@alexlilano1931 manny was gifted a vacant belt at 154 so Why’s it matter? What’s with the double standard here? What could be the reason… I wonder.

[@MrMixItup]

Great video and always..... SHOUT OOUT TO RUMMY'S CORNER!!! Being from Detroit, I have never heard such accurate accounts of our past 40 years. Keep up the great man and leave the boxing to the boxers, I KNEW YOU WERE WAY OFF WHEN YOU CHOSE kambosos over Haney LOL!

[@jacklopinto946]

this is possibly the most premier boxing assesment video jack has come across going back to 2016!!!

[@BlakeBake]

Love the content. Cheers from Oregon.

[@RummysCorner]

Thank you very much for the kind words and support! I really appreciate it.

[@Howard7075]

Hats off to you rummy's corner your predictions are some time off but you never try to justify them you always speak the truth much appreciated thank you so much for exposing ESPN and ther miss information campaign

[@orteab]

Thank you so much! I'm glad you made this. Promoters want to make their 🐂💩 narratives and try to pass them as history, and the WBC assisted them, but History Can't be changed. The lineage of the belts do matter. Real fans don't get fooled by narratives

[@peterolbrisch1653]

Great vid. Thanks! it explains a lot.

[@nafdar6]

Devin was brilliant and showed a level of focus and sharpness reminiscent of Floyd

[@griffinmaximus6050]

Another great video Rummy!

[@leonarddaye7550]

Love the unbiased boxing news you put out on your channel!

[@AKSourGod]

Now, i don't remember seeing your original prediction for the Haney Kambosos fight, but I still have to respect the fact that you owned up to your bad choice, and congratulated the man who earned his position. Big Salute to you Rummy, always looking forward to your videos. 💪🏾🙏🏾💯

[@Marvelous4rmTexas]

Also Rummy keep spitting the facts and teaching lessons. Its only a few unbiased boxing channels on KZbin and you are most consistent. Its not about quantity but quality. Peace love and blessings to you and your love ones.

[@JJMcHurt]

Rummy your humbleness always amazes me. You do KSAB because your are correct with ESPN being so far out of line. Stay humble Love from EAST SIDE BOXING-Bustajay

[@RummysCorner]

Thank you very much! Cheers.

[@badman4746]

i love this channel man nobody else would of called this out and explained it this way

[@rob8055]

I 100% agree with everything you said couldn't have said it any better,if anyone is confused about the franchise they should be directed to this video,great video rummy keep up the great work.

[@djn1856]

Good to hear some1 praise haney for his performance instead of go after him for the style

[@intelligentsavage629]

Loved it ! Peace and blessings to you 🙏

[@ldillon33]

“According to the WBC website, Haney was the champion…”

[@micahjohnsonboxing6409]

ESPN listed Haney as champ too

[@abusesay13]

Wait. I didn’t know Wikipedia was on this bulljive too! 😭 I double taked and rolled my eyes on the ESPN graphic in real time, but the WBO bidness on Wikipedia got me all messed up. Smh.

[@barrybarnes96]

Well done. (Why did Loma choose to fight Teo instead of Haney? I can't remember.)

[@HyogaX9]

friendly reminder. Devin Haney is the first American Undisputed champion to do it outside of US soil in like the last 40+ years. if I'm correct the last american to do it was Marvin Hagler in 1980 when he beat Alan Minter in England for the undisputed WBA+WBC titles. Prior to that i believe it was Muhammad Ali and George Foreman in the 70s. Plus he's the youngest undisputed champion in the 4 belt era. It was a historical win on so many levels.

[@JR216TV]

Great video as usual Rummy!

[@ianphillips103]

So my confusion comes from that if Lomachenko had beaten Lopez and won the IBF belt he would have been considered Undisputed by the majority of the boxing community. Lopez and Kambosos had to suffer the consequences of the WBC's actions because the truth of the matter is you are right. The "Franchise" Champion isn't a real champion because he doesn't have to make title defenses. The WBA and WBC are both absolute messes right now. I can tell you trying to truly understand the sport when you are first getting into boxing as I was 5 or so years ago, all this does is create more confusion trying to figure out all the champions were and who the lineal champs were and etc. It shouldn't be this hard.

[@sanantoballa4834]

Loma vacated the WBC before the Teófimo fight. Haney was the interim champion so he was then elevated as the Primary champion. So even if Loma beat Teo, there still would’ve been an argument about the Undisputed title.

[@ritzkola2302]

Blame loma and Lopez for asking for the franchise belt (loma) & accepting that bs belt (Lopez) when they each could’ve just stopped avoiding Devin Haney.

[@jimmyferguson2660]

The franchise Belt was given to lomochenko when he avoided Haney when he was his mandatory he vacated it making Haney the champ

[@jehdee22]

Undisputed is not opinionated...you either have the 4 required world titles or u dont U need the Super WBA world title WBC world title IBF world title WBO World Title Franchise title is not on the list

[@jehdee22]

@@sanantoballa4834 there is no argument...its a material fact as to what you need.. In 2007 the WBC IBF and WBA voted the WBO in to be 1 of now 4 major sanctioning bodies....the required belts are and have never have changed as follows WBC WORLD Title IBF World Title WBO World Title Super WBA World Title No where on that list does it say WBC FRANCHISE Title. There is no argument as the list hasnt changed.

[@emirramos990]

Rummy correcting the record for other "experts" who don't know the sport as well as he does. Well done!

[@shinestar2912]

Thanks for clearing that up. Now I'm even more confused.

[@oldschoolboxingtalk2940]

You got that wrong the franchise Bill started with Canelo Alvarez when Canelo was the first franchise champion because he didn't want to defend his title against jermell Charlo

[@thejazzmusician]

He said that in the video

[@jerryalexander8803]

Jermall, but yea you're right

[@joelburt]

U mean golovkin he practically vacated the belt and ran in fear

[@Uzair_Of_Babylon465]

Fantastic video keep it up your doing amazing job

[@bookaufman9643]

When holyfield fought Foreman, in 1991 I believe, nobody mentioned that Ray Mercer had the WBO title and so it wasn't for the undisputed title. That fight was wba, WBC and ibf and for some reason I remember it being considered the undisputed title but my memory may preclude me from remembering if every belt was on the table or not.

[@noahbodi3647]

I don’t know shit about boxing. Another boxing jewel. Thank you.

[@KBOXINGDC]

My only question is why wasn't the WBO recognized? What was and is the criterion for a Major Title to be excepted? (To Be or Not to Be.

[@ritzkola2302]

The single belt system is the best for the sport, in its purety. It ensures at any time, that the very best fighter is holding that belt. Everyone else will be forced to fight each other on their climb to the top. There is no “going after the easier belt” route here. This would have the after effect of creating a whole new breed of fighters generations later, as the skill level would increase immensely. Then there’s the two belt system. Which I believe should be the max limit for multiple titles. This is best for the sport’s popularity. It creates a competition and a story line. “Who’s the actual best?! Find out when they fight for undisputed.” This system would open up the sport more, and make it nor friendly to compete in than the single belt system. Which would draw in a larger pool of fighters. Which draws in more attention from fans all around the world. The True Boxing fan in me yearns for a single belt. The Businessman in me who’d love to be some to talk Boxing casually as we all talk about Basketball, however, yearns for a Two belt system.

[@kuwaitisnotadeployment1373]

Hey Rummy quick question....is the IBF intercontinental HW championship belt the same thing as the IBF world championship belt or are they 2 different belts? I'm asking in regards to Ray Mercer winning the IBF intercontinental belt from Kimmuel Odum by UD in 1990 but not being on any IBF champion lists. IBF has Buster Douglas as champ from Feb 1990 to oct 1990 and Holyfield with the belt from oct 1990 to Nov 1992

[@ZBOXINGTALK]

The IBF intercontinental is a regional belt just like the WBO, WBC and WBA intercontinental and international titles.

[@J.D.1.]

Hahahaha. The Edward G. Robinson impression 😂

[@mdp1475]

Great video! But think you are forgetting O'neil Bell he was the last undisputed before Terence Crawford and sadly is widly forgotten today.

[@yussisupply4455]

Thanks sir I had no idea glad you record cause if you don’t and people like you, we’ll loose and they’ll revise history.

[@DMDL669]

Rummy thank you for keeping it real I don't think most people have even been paid attention to what's been going on. When they hear Undisputed they just trust what's being said without actually looking. Just looks like a lot of politics

[@Airbender24B]

The facial expressions of Buster Douglas at 4:19 had me smirking lmao.

[@lpotts75]

Great find.

[@zerog4261]

Out all the wrongs on wikki, saying Klitschko has the longest reign of any heavyweights champ is blasphemous. I can imagine some kid looking that up and not realising and understanding the difference between him an the great Joe Louis

[@abrahamramirez3980]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I also felt they barely (if at all) even mentioned that Haney was the first since Pernell Whitaker! That should have been a huge talking point in my opinion!

[@ShrimShim]

Love this content!

[@mikeortiz2139]

"Mah, you know what Rummy, you really don't know shit about boxing. Mah!" My hats off to you sir. Always putting things in the correct perspective.

[@handfloboxingreview1673]

ESPN makes so many mistakes when it comes to their boxing it's ridiculous. You'd think someone like Max Kellerman would check the people making these eronious graphics.

[@anthonycapoocia2460]

Spot on as always… well except when making fight predictions. 😁 Have a good day all.

[@coachtali5151]

Thank you for exposing this not so thinly veiled racism and revisionist history. You are a GOAT and even though I don't know what possessed you to think Cambosas was gonna do anything you still know plenty about boxing 🤣🤣🤣

[@ritzkola2302]

Spot on about the racism and revisionist history. It always, coincidentally for some very odd reason, targets Black Americans in the sport. I wonder what it could be…

[@alntr2872]

yep

[@anonymousprofessor8866]

What is really pathetic is these ESPN racist devils have to create bias bogus historic Undisputed list in order to keep their fav hope list fighters on it. Just think about that. ESPN has to keep creating racist bogus p4p list just to keep it from becoming an all or mostly "_____" fighters list. Its gotta hurt racist devils knowing "The Inconvenient Truth."

[@Tonyoung55]

Good stuff per usual

[@dancollier3523]

Well said Rummy awesome as always 👏

[@Captain_Rhodes]

the number of belts keep increasing and the number of fights that the champs take keeps decreasing

[@Rbhawk3rd]

Haney faced more adversity from shadow boxing than he did from kambosos.

[@ezboy88sonny14]

I know I damn near destroyed the TV when they showed that B.S.

[@Greg_J]

I like the honest & transparent approach presented in this channel

[@AliAhmed-et5ge]

Thank you Rummy for pulling up ESPN on this.

[@kirayoshikage8007]

They need should just get rid of the extra belts this shit just makes no sense. Just one belt for each division from each major sanctioning. One WBC belt, One WBA, One IBF, and one WBO. It should be no more then that.

[@kirayoshikage8007]

Also whenever I would try to get my friends into boxing they’ll they confused because there will be 5-6 “world Champions” in each division

[@ritzkola2302]

The single belt system is the best for the sport, in its purety. It ensures at any time, that the very best fighter is holding that belt. Everyone else will be forced to fight each other on their climb to the top. There is no “going after the easier belt” route here. This would have the after effect of creating a whole new breed of fighters generations later, as the skill level would increase immensely. Then there’s the two belt system. Which I believe should be the max limit for multiple titles. This is best for the sport’s popularity. It creates a competition and a story line. “Who’s the actual best?! Find out when they fight for undisputed.” This system would open up the sport more, and make it nor friendly to compete in than the single belt system. Which would draw in a larger pool of fighters. Which draws in more attention from fans all around the world. The True Boxing fan in me yearns for a single belt. The Businessman in me who’d love to be some to talk Boxing casually as we all talk about Basketball, however, yearns for a Two belt system.

[@SaltFaDaSlugs82]

Hey Rummy, love your videos! How bout another dream matchup video with your prediction of the winner: Prime Lennox Lewis vs Prime Tyson Fury... Who do you think would come out of this one as victor?

[@Thebonesoftrees]

I don’t think you realize the quality of the content produce. You know shit tons about boxing and have the plums to admit when you made a wrong prediction. Not many do. Thanks Rummy.

[@Borisam]

Haney is the only lightweight undisputed since Whitaker. That is a FACT.

[@JohnJohnson-fr5cx]

Dude, Rummy, this video is GOLD. You know it’s gonna be a good one when it starts with, “I don’t know shit about boxing.” Lol. Plus, I loved the voice of the fat cat boxing exec. That was legit funny and made me legit laugh out loud.

[@thehh5118]

BEAUTIFUL masterclass by Devin Haney!

[@flame-sky7148]

Thanks Rummy for your knowledge and truth!

[@peterwaugh2626]

Bang on rummey, love all your videos. But this is what I hate about boxing, this bs.

[@DouglasI]

Thanks for the facts !

[@crispylineslim5041]

We’ve been saying this since it happened and they called us crazy

[@DiecastNewb]

"Get bent!" Lol. Hadn't heard that in a while...

[@nightman8612]

Looks like those belts need more crafted quality, some nice real leather and stitching in its confection...needs to look representative. :)

[@sjbrooksy45]

I think it is a good thing to have multiple organizations for boxing, to give more exposure to talent that might not get it. But dang, come up with 1 or 2 unified World champ belts and make the rest just regular champs. For example, the WBO and WBC agree to have ONE Heavyweight world champ who wins the title after beating the other champ. That person retains their (lets say) WBO championship but is now also considered the World champ. The WBC champion would retain that title (minus the "world" distinction), until beaten by someone in a straight WBC fight. So kind of like in Afro-Samurai. You have a number 1 that can only be challenged by a number 2.

[@Hadriegon]

Can’t wait till your world title fights video for Haney many years from now

[@lock_]

I love your gangster voce! :)

[@igordrakulovic6857]

8:57 You think i don't know that's when Tony was milking Ralph at the race tracks ?

[@tyjones7377]

Best commentary ever😂… just amazing

[@TheBlakkSamurai]

Rummy you may not know shit about boxing according to you but I enjoy watching your takes about things anyway. Keep doing great content sir!!!