ESS G3X SUPERCHARGER 93 VS E85 DYNO COMPARISON ON SAME PULLEY - 2018 MUSTANG GT

[@paulhudgins5120]

Man what a awesome video Ken, so great to hear things are booming for HPR, that is awesome. So great comparison from 93 octane to E85, wow 120 RWHP is freaking a lot of HP boost. Great job done by HPR, you, Chris, Darrell and also Horsepower factory. Can't wait to get my car done by HPR.

[@SpeedAddict731]

Thank you sir!

[@midnight347]

It's a high compression engine so obviously there is gonna be big gains from e85. There are always big gains on e85 with boost regardless and even more so on high compression engines.

[@chillwill0330]

Great video! Glad to hear you guys are still busy at the shop!

[@SpeedAddict731]

Thank you!

[@markuaw1]

Great job Ken 👏 best video I have watched in awhile

[@SpeedAddict731]

Thank you!!!

[@downhilldaddy9346]

What a difference! Really good numbers 👌🏾

[@SpeedAddict731]

Thanks.

[@FoxcastMedia]

Great video, and great comparison!

[@SpeedAddict731]

Thanks bud

[@MrMach1]

Ya Buddy! Great video! Thanks for sharing.

[@SpeedAddict731]

Thank you!

[@toddb3394]

Very good comparison. As a vette owner GOD I HATE a blown coyoye lol

[@Twobarpsi]

Awesome comparison video Ken ✊✊✊!!

[@SpeedAddict731]

Thanks I tried to keep it as right as I could.

[@timwindsor03]

Awesome video Ken. Thanks for sharing. Keep the content coming. Hope you and Mrs Pam have an incredible night. Much love and RESPECT brother

[@SpeedAddict731]

Thank you and same to you!

[@Bad50h-MartyT]

Awesome content as usual! Super excited for my install! Wouldn’t have anyone else do it.

[@SpeedAddict731]

Thank you!

[@silverbullet1162]

Good job ken,

[@SpeedAddict731]

Thank you sir!

[@slowpok_5.067]

Great video and great numbers on the car. I can't wait until November and you get hold of mine.

[@SpeedAddict731]

Thank you!!

[@316racingchannel9]

Congratulations is in order!! They say the 1st year is the toughest so congrats on the success of your shop!

[@SpeedAddict731]

Thank you!!!! I hope it was the roughest lol.

[@victorxavier9977]

Ken always has a mountain dew near by LOL 😆 Enjoyed the video 👊

[@SpeedAddict731]

Haha yep. Thanks

[@Fox29997]

Great video🔥🔥

[@SpeedAddict731]

Thanks!

[@EVOLHORSE]

🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 HPR FTW

[@SpeedAddict731]

😎

[@piptyson5512]

Wow that is amazing. I wonder why E85 hasn't really taken off that much? I mean just generally speaking, not just in performance apps. Great to hear the shop is boomin!

[@F1FIDY]

What do you mean? In the racing community it took off a long time ago

[@piptyson5512]

@@F1FIDY Well one thing is there aren't a lot of places that sell it. Some areas of the country don't seem to have it at all. And with all the talk of fossil fuel being bad for the environment, E85 was supposed to be a better alternative. But it's like it never really took off, except for the racing community. Doesn't seem to add up, but I may not know what all is going on with it.

[@F1FIDY]

@@piptyson5512 it’s not practical for every day driving

[@SpeedAddict731]

Thank you. In the racing community it has taken off but gas stations can’t have it unless they put a tank for it in the ground and most won’t do it.

[@F1FIDY]

@@SpeedAddict731 I’m in Texas , there is always e85 around me

[@jacobdragster24]

Awesome video thanks for the info.. wanting to do an Edelbrock set up on my 10 speed car soon

[@davinjohnson7715]

I have an edelbrock 2650 I’m about to sell

[@sergebasque8460]

Very well explanation in rpm range from pump gas at 7200 rpm compare to 7825 rpm with E-85. Two different rpm range with two different HP&TQ💪🇨🇦😎

[@earronroberts7658]

Great video, as always! That dyno can be a heartbreaker....

[@SpeedAddict731]

Thanks and Yep that’s what sort of scares me with this car lol.

[@robertcoberly346]

great vid brother !!

[@sublimegt500]

You'll have to forgive me, I zoned out for half the video staring at that sexy ride over your shoulder 🤣🤣. But seriously, shell 93 is all I put in my car. Best 93 out there imo.

[@SpeedAddict731]

😂😂😂 I knew you would like the back ground.

[@robertbaker693]

If I get half that hp I would be excited. Can't wait. 2 more weeks

[@SpeedAddict731]

Going to be interesting to see on your truck.

[@jasonherrick2368]

Great video

[@SpeedAddict731]

Thank you!!

[@Showmofox]

I wish I could work for you. Pray the shop keeps doing well for you congrats

[@SpeedAddict731]

Never know. Thanks!!

[@jimmymccormick142]

Love your videos keep on doing the great work you do Ford power forever

[@bbq5.0]

Great information

[@SpeedAddict731]

Thanks.

[@mileshiles1287]

Great comparison. 👍

[@SpeedAddict731]

Thank you I tried to take as many variables out of the equation as possible.

[@joshodin19]

You kno I had to come back and watch this video! 😆

[@avgjoe1836]

Awesome comparison! As a customer it really helps to decide what you want to do what’s worth it and what’s not. If your wondering if E is worth it?! Great work HPR!

[@SpeedAddict731]

Thanks!!

[@rob1977tank]

@@SpeedAddict731 I know this is a long shot but if he wants to sell that car anytime soon I want it. Have him reach out to me....appreciate it.

[@tristanallen2038]

That's awesome! I'm using a G2 with a 115 on E. I might be touching 800 the way this video looked like.

[@SpeedAddict731]

I have been highly impressed with the ESS supercharger kits.

[@cjnapier037]

Unfortunately not sir. It's been proven many times. The only way you're getting 800 on a G2 is with a 105mm pulley. Not happening any other way. Been there done that. It barely makes 800 on a 105mm and e85.

[@donwilson6384]

I make 845 with a 105 on a g3x setup

[@jesusm4]

My 2019 mustang gt is making 875hp g3 e85 . 95 pully . Headers 1200cc injectors .3.55 rear . Dual fuel pump .

[@dave06045]

Awesome results I'm curious if there's much of a difference if it was turbocharged compared to supercharged doing the same kind of application

[@SpeedAddict731]

Turbos are always more efficient over superchargers.

[@skullhart]

Take the percentage HP gained and apply that to your car. You'll be in the ballpark.

[@mt6278]

That's incredible gains. But I gotta ask what the ignition timing on 93 and e85? Or how much was added for e85

[@SpeedAddict731]

13 degrees of timing on 93 and 20 degrees on E85. I would have loved to see it on around 15 on 93 and the gap wouldn’t have been so big. But I wanted straight out of pump comparison for both 93 and E85. I could have put some boostane in the 93 and bumped the pump gas numbers up a tad but like I said in the video there is a lot of variables and I wanted results without throwing in more variables.

[@R0cketRed]

You guys down south are so lucky you have a chance to be near a gas station with e85. I've planned my build from the beginning for e85 and willing to drive hours there are no pumps anywhere near me that have e85. So now it's either the good good e85 that I gotta order barrels for lots of $$$$ or I'll just have a WAY over built fuel system. Lol😅😂

[@SpeedAddict731]

Yea E85 is the way to go on a boosted coyote.

[@midnight347]

I recommend boostane for those who don't have e85 readily available. You won't get as good a results as e but a significant jump above just 93 or even worse 91.

[@machdaddy6451]

Great video. Scientific methods.

[@dikdawg3438]

No e85 by me so I'm spraying 💯 methanol with 93

[@thundercat9821]

Nice video Wonder what numbers you would have got at 7700 on 93 with some boostane to fix the kr. That would have been even better comparison

[@SpeedAddict731]

Could have but then you would have not had pump 93 vs pump E. Only thing I could think of is do pump 93 from the station that has the best I usually find and put it against pump E and let it do what it does. Problem is with boostane it would have added timing over what normal pump would do, so again wouldn’t truly be a real comparison between pump 93 and pump E. If I had to speculate it adding 1 deg of timing it would have been about 30 hp better. But that is speculation.

[@thundercat9821]

@@SpeedAddict731 Thanks for the reply Just seeing already in comments , people will expect 120 rwhp . going from good 93 with no kr at 7700 to e will not be 120 rwhp. Everyone running these ess is putting octane additive . Just my opinion as people might see this as misleading

[@SpeedAddict731]

@@thundercat9821 if they watch the video in full I explain that these numbers are from pump 93 to pump E with the 93 pulling about a degree of timing. So it’s not misleading if they watch the video and listen to it. That’s the main reason I just didn’t shoot the video at the dyno say what it made and left it alone. I set and explained everything. This is not a comparison of running 93 with boostane and I say that in the video. If we wouldn’t have pulled a degree it would have been a 6 degree difference between pump 93 and pump E instead of 7 degrees of timing. I was just sharing what we found since I have been asked this question a number of times.

[@midnight347]

@@thundercat9821 you will see a ton of power going to e85 over 93 on a boosted 12:1 car it's just common sense. Yea better quality 93 you may not see 120 hp delta but it's still gonna be 80-90+ easily.

[@brightslide_drift]

What injectors? What other fuel system modifications? Is this return style or stock system? Boost a pump?

[@matthewwalsh2943]

Do you need a return style fuel system for e85 on a 120mm? Can you do e85 with only gt500 injectors and a BAP? What kinda power would that make?

[@_illtal]

Sweet

[@coyotecarguy2076]

First! Yessss!

[@SpeedAddict731]

😎

[@coyotecarguy2076]

@@SpeedAddict731 👍👍

[@fgj8379]

Good gains there from the fuel. I'm curious how much power the cams added vs stock cams with this setup. Are these boost cams? The Gen3 cams are already pretty good, so I'm wondering if the HP/dollar is worth it. I think this is one of the few non NA Gen3 cars I've seen with cams on it.

[@SpeedAddict731]

Last car we had on the dyno with his setup with a cobra jet without the supercharger put down over 500rwhp N/A. This car actually has the n/a version of the comp stage 2 cams because he wasn’t planning on going with forced induction. We were curious how it would do but looking at the hp numbers it did pretty well. Usually wouldn’t see this hp with stock cams. I agree with you the stock cams do great with forced induction and I usually recommend staying with stock cams going with forced induction unless you are building a engine for big power. Even then I still like the stock cams.

[@savage101.]

If it was your car.. what supercharger kit would you put on your 22' GT PP1? I'm having a real hard time deciding.

[@nasty5-oh893]

That all depends where do you want the power band to come down at , you can go whipped and have torque right for the hop or on the street of Mexico Centri. They are all great power adders but what’s your purpose.

[@trunkslorenzana]

@hpr Hey im going with a G3 kit as well with FIC 1000 Dw400 120mm pully and 93, I got a gen2 FBO with a cobrajet ill be mating this to, do you think ill make to low 700whp?

[@Fox29997]

Whats a stock 10r80 trans can handle , isn’t it 800 Hp before it goes outs and need a built one ? Regarding a 2018+ mustang

[@SpeedAddict731]

This is a manual car and he is already looking to have a built trans out in. But you are correct anything over 800 in a 10r80 needs to be built.

[@turbinatorlou]

Good lord I was thinking something in the realm of 40-50 rwhp. Over a hundred though is insane.

[@midnight347]

Any boosted car in this power range will always see alot more than that. 75-80 is usually bare minimum and gains can be higher on high compression engines like these which are 12:1 the gains really aren't surprising at all. Boost and high compression with e85 is like cheating.

[@turbinatorlou]

@@midnight347 Impressive stuff.

[@DUGSTANG281]

With some cold side tweaking, do you think the ESS kit would fit an 11-14?

[@Boostedm3nace]

That’s crazy gains for e85. I’ve always gotten around a 60-70whp gain on e85, if I run the same boost as 93.

[@SpeedAddict731]

Definitely on the higher end of gain. Not sure how much the cams are assisting it also the 93 pulled some timing so that gave it a bigger gap as I talked about in the video.

[@bigogtt4905]

Where are y’all based out of? If y’all are closer down south I’d like to business with y’all when I get my coyote mustang

[@SpeedAddict731]

We are located in Henderson,TN about an 1 1/2 hours from Memphis.

[@Chuy5ohh]

@@SpeedAddict731 i’m located in dalton ga brother i got the same exact setup as this car except i’m on stock mani and trying to get on a dyno

[@Zander13Productions]

🔥

[@jesusm2159]

Daily driver? How many miles per day?

[@SpeedAddict731]

This is not his daily.

[@ericsingletonmrfast]

How much horspower does left nut have

[@antoniocaballero5540]

93 for daily.E85 for the weekend

[@cjnapier037]

857 on 10psi. Thats some kind of world record isn't it?

[@nola504boy1]

Exactly my twins didn’t even make that much on 10 psi. I believe ESS pullies aren’t rated correctly at all.

[@SpeedAddict731]

@@nola504boy1 my twin turbo 2020 Mustang put down 708@8psi on 93 on a Dyno jet dyno. As I said in the video I take hp numbers from a dyno with a grain of salt. But they are good for tuning and comparison if using same dyno. I was showing comparison as we made two runs on the same dyno and compared the difference between the runs. I would love to see the trap speed on this setup. That data could tell me some things. This makes the second ESS kit on the dyno to kind of shock me with hp numbers. Usually I see comparable numbers from whipples, odins and such as I do from other dynos when I put like setups on this dyno. I know a 18 Mustang with a Vortech V3 JT on the same dyno on 93 but a 10R80 car put down 631rwhp tuned by Lund which customer thought would have been more. But that car was stock cams, stock headers and stock intake manifold. Also the V3 JT flows 1450 cfm and the ESS G3 flows 1600 CFM. This car has cams, ported intake manifold and longtubes with full exhaust so I haven’t ran this combo with other blowers yet with similar boost to compare. I have mixed feelings. I need to see this combo get run down the dragstrip to give me more info.

[@scottjerden2187]

What pulley was this on?

[@XMANWORKIN520]

How many pounds of boost is he running?

[@Hindryx]

No BAP needed?

[@PedroSoliz-iy1wc]

Where’s your shop located I need to ship you my car

[@SpeedAddict731]

Henderson, TN

[@HowAmINotFamous]

Does this mean the car made 850whp on 10psi (with e85)? What do you expect this car to trap? 150?

[@411redfire]

Yes. But I do have NA stage 2 comp cams and headers and ported AFS intake so that might have helped

[@HowAmINotFamous]

@@411redfire have you ever done a 60-130 with it?

[@SpeedAddict731]

My 15 with a Whipple put down 685 on this dyno on 93 and ran 10.5@131. That’s right where it should be in a 3900lb car. As I said in the video I take hp numbers from a dyno with a grain of salt. I was showing comparison as we made two runs on the same dyno and compared the difference between the runs. I would love to see the trap speed on this setup. That data could tell me some things. If it would have been a 10r80 instead of a mt82 hp numbers would have been lower. I’m going to have some 10r80 ESS setups come through the shop and I’m looking forward to seeing the results from them. This makes the second ESS kit on the dyno to kind of shock me with hp numbers. I know a Vortech V3 JT on the same dyno on 93 but a 10R80 car put down 631rwhp tuned by Lund which customer thought would have been more. But that car was stock cams, stock headers and stock intake manifold. Also the V3 JT flows 1450 cfm and the ESS G3 flows 1600 CFM. I have mixed feelings. I need to see this combo get run down the dragstrip to give me more info.

[@411redfire]

Not yet just got car back today. I don't have a draggy so it will be a while before I can do anything like that.

[@midnight347]

@@411redfire all those things drop boost and add power i.e. you will see more power but less boost. A car with stock intake, no cams and stock headers might see 12-13 psi on the same pulley I would imagine those 3 things together had to drop boost a decent but. They'd be seeing that boost but lower power this is why your numbers are so high at 10 psi.

[@rubenoctave4156]

How much hp is that?

[@cyclonekevin6199]

Great numbers, from a fuel change.

[@SpeedAddict731]

It impressed me!

[@motiv8d111]

To be fair...what was the peak HP at 7120 RPM on E85 since you ended at 7120 RPM on 93? That is a fair comparison. 7120 rpm vs 7936 rpm nah brother, Centri's build way more power at higher RPM. Not an exact comparison. If you were to end t 7120 on E85, state the HP, then take it up further in RPMs and note the difference, that would be a better comparison. Good video nonetheless 🇺🇸

[@SpeedAddict731]

Go back and watch the video. Look at peak rpm that the engine was ran to and then look at peak hp rpm. You will see that I actually revved higher on 93 run than I did on the e85 run. The factor being is that in the higher rpm the 93 couldn’t run as much timing to make the hp up top vs what the e85 did. So if anything I gave the 93 more of a chance to make more hp. Yes the peak hp rpm is different from 93 to e85 but both were revved pass their peak hp numbers. Peak hp rpm was 7120 but revved a tad pass 8 and on E85 peak hp rpm was 7569 revved to 7936.

[@motiv8d111]

@@SpeedAddict731 I am tracking brother. RPM for RPM, what is HP difference? Some 93 allows folks to go to 7800+ RPMs while still gaining power. Great quality 93 vs E85 at the same RPM. Power difference?

[@SpeedAddict731]

@@motiv8d111 next time I am there I’ll pull up the graphs and check it out for you. I made these pulls and recorded for customer. Then I was sitting back thinking of how many times I had been asked about what the difference is and is it worth it to go e85 with boost on the same boost level. So I decided to make the video after the fact. Had I made it while I was there I would have brought up mid range power difference and such. This was shell 93 and usually does well. I didn’t want to put any additive in and skew the numbers. Like I said in the video I tried to exclude as many variables as I could. That’s also the main reason I stated that we pulled about a degree with the 93 to let people know if we wouldn’t have numbers would have been a little higher on the 93. I say we would still be at a 80-100 hp difference.

[@motiv8d111]

@@SpeedAddict731 Good stuff brother and that subject alone would make awesome content! Definitely tracking E85 burns better, but I've never seen a direct comparison as you mentioned. 🇺🇸

[@midnight347]

It is an exact comparison because the lack of octane is why they had to shut it down to begin with. Getting the octane benefit allows more rpm and more timing. Why do people rep 93 so hard I mean use some good fuel in your blown 12:1 car if you're searching for dyno bragging rights.

[@nj033]

So, how much boost?

[@SpeedAddict731]

He has seen 11 on his boost guage since the dyno when he installed one. This has cams, ported intake, headers and on a manual. I have a 10r80 car that will be going on the dyno in a few weeks with e85 so we can get somewhat of a comparison. Although it has stock cams and stock intake on it.

[@davidwarden6011]

Is this on the stock clutch?

[@SpeedAddict731]

It was on the dyno but after the dyno we installed aftermarket clutch in. We knew it wasn’t going to hold the power long term but we wanted you’re welcome be able to dyno it without it being on a brand new clutch so he could get the tuning done then be able to break the clutch in properly.

[@skullhart]

How much boost was this?

[@SpeedAddict731]

To be 100% honest we are not sure. I know what they are rated for but seeing the power numbers I’m thinking maybe higher. This blower flows 1600 cfm and that pulley should be around 10psi up top. The next car I do I’m installing boost guage to watch it.

[@s-twelvegarage1479]

Anyone interested in A ess supercharger g3 kit lmk have one for sale

[@kevinchandler324]

How much boost is the 120 mm?

[@SpeedAddict731]

Around 9-10 in the upper rpm from what we have seen in the past.

[@stephencalvin1401]

Great video!!! 💪🔥

[@SpeedAddict731]

Thanks!!

[@themaniac5183]

Great info

[@SpeedAddict731]

Thanks!!

[@freedom6919741]

Great video.

[@stangboy3029]

How much PSI??