Etali, Primal Conqueror cEDH Deck tech with tournament data

[@PubStompMTG]

As an Etali Enthusiast for Cedh, I am excited that this Commander is getting more and more attention. Of course, with Ian putting it on the map. It's great to see, even though its mostly player skill. Thanks for the showcasing it!

[@cedhtv]

Your welcome. I don't think it is busted. But I do think it will get a winrate arround 21 eventually.

[@PubStompMTG]

For sure I don't think it is busted either, especially being in gruul colors@@cedhtv

[@VtroboguycEDH]

Hey Mons! Great video as always. Been on the deck for about a year now and run the Etali discord. Happy to discuss anything you’d like to know on the deck.

[@cedhtv]

Do you have discord. Write to me on discord. Micromonkey is my discord name.

[@VtroboguycEDH]

@@cedhtv I sent you a message!

[@grahamjames8739]

Great video as always Mons, it might be helpful, or just an amusing add on to include a moxfield link to the theoretical best deck list based on the stats.

[@cedhtv]

I did list all the decklists. You can look arround on various individual resualts.

[@FlowBerni]

I dont play cedh and no one in any of my pods does, but as soon as I saw the first Etali cedh game I built a casual version of him.

[@cedhtv]

Feels hard to do that. I mean he resolves and you just explode.

[@ericweis9771]

I have finally seen the light. Thank you. Great video I will put a city of traitors and a Grim monolith in at least three of my EDH decks Value!

[@cedhtv]

:)

[@Jadoo1337]

Hi Mons, thank you for the great content. It could be worthwhile looking into Fisher's exact test. In any case, it would be good to adjust P-values (e.g. Benjamini-Hochberg) since you are doing many tests.

[@BAdCommander]

Cant wait for the next deck tech. I feel like theres been a lot of talk in the community about nejeel and how to build it. Similar to kennrith its a very open book.

[@cedhtv]

I have alredy done some videos about those 2 so I think I will wait for a while for kenrith and najeela. But elsha of the infinit is the next one!

[@Seltaeb_]

The year of stompy is here! Praise Johnny!

[@walterppk1989]

Pro tips for stats : 1) don't report significance at a higher degree of specifity than is required. Alpha smaller than 0.01 or 0.001 is good enough. Nobody, including hardcore statisticians, cares about them 30th decimal value. 2) when reporting sample percentages or averages, include the 95 percent confidence interval for the population value and explain what that means. 3) report on effect size. 4) be explicit and don't bury the lead. E.g. On the slides where you present the cards win rate when encluded vs not included, the percentage uplift is really small visually. This is arguably the most important number on the slide. I would pivot to the text 'decks that include carpet of flowers have a lower win rate compared to those who don't by an uplift of x (y without the card, z with the card, alpha < 0.01)' and visually highlight the number x

[@cedhtv]

I have a question on Nr 4) I am not entierly certain of what value you mean that is small but really important? Your talking about the carpet of flowers slide? can I ask what value you mean that is important? If I understand correct you mean that the text size is to small? I have some other questions but let's start with that one. If your OK with that? if you want feel free to write to me on discord micromonkey is my name.

[@MrTurkeyfied]

I believe they are saying that on the Carpet of Flowers slide, the number -3.76% (the difference between winrate with versus without the card) should be larger and more highlighted, since that is the important difference.@@cedhtv

[@cedhtv]

ah that one! Yeah. That one could be larger I think.

[@projetogamer828]

Thanks for the video :)

[@cedhtv]

Your welcome!

[@BudgetPubStomper-lr7nh]

Seems Talion actually picks up more points if my intuition doesn’t fail me? Draws are better than losses afterall

[@tomkaltofen7063]

One could argue that frequency statistic is not correct to use at all, but rather bayesian. Why! Past experience change outcomes.

[@cedhtv]

I don't know what bayesian is or what you mean by that.

[@Jadoo1337]

A Bayesian approach would be indeed really interesting! en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayesian_statistics

[@LadleLoverDS]

The ban destroyed Etali 😕

[@diegorezi5760]

The honest answer to your point at the end is: if you really wanna win im cedh you will not play etali, mono black, boros and rogue sruff, you will aim to tymna decks, partner and 5 color....for me this is obvious, people go with kirrik, etali and stff just because they like this decks, we are aware tgat we play "tier 3 decks"

[@davidew345]

Anyone who registers anything other than blue farm is choosing to lose

[@TemKhan]

Aaaa my top 16 with it didn’t show up because it was a 60 player tournament 🥲