The Smallest X86 Board Just Got A Big Upgrade! LattePanda MU N305

[@envigraphy]

came for the micro PC with discrete GPU support, stayed for the GPU with discrete micro PC support

[@reeveho1384]

Lol

[@deltech1]

@@envigraphy yes 😆😆 nice one

[@saschapurner9579]

Adaptors and Power Supplys bigger than every ITX PC^^

[@_..-.._..-.._]

Viewer discretion advised.

[@petercruz1993]

I really like that manufacturers are supporting smaller motherboard standards. I’d love to see a tiny build with these sized parts.

[@yougoonie3338]

playing on the igpu is amazing. we're getting there boys, one day, mark my words, 1 watt to rule them all.

[@godnyx117]

1 Watt gaming sounds like a wet dream! The battery will last for a month...

[@lewzealand4717]

Just gotta get rid of those pesky 27 other watts to get to 1W. Maybe in 20 years...

[@andrewsolis2988]

AMDs upcoming APUs look CRAZY! 4070 ti performance on the CPU

[@wotreplays8896]

AMD will show some new procesorrs next year at CES to have better integrated iGPUs equivalent to 4060ti

[@godnyx117]

@@andrewsolis2988 Don't get confused. It's not on the CPU. It just has a different GPU structure that's close to the CPU and shares memory. But it's still not a CPU alone.

[@kchaney56]

I bought a Latte panda $4oo dollar SBC about 5 years ago and it died after 30SEC and when I tired to return it they played a F-ing game with me saying the "exact" address in China was wrong, I used their address, so I had to resend, I did that twice costing me a total of $80 and I got nothing. F Latte Panda, DO NOT DO BUSINESS with them!

[@cajampa]

@@kchaney56 Thanks for the warning

[@natearrigoni]

I went through DF Robot to get mine and it arrived fine, but you really aren't missing out unless you were planning on making your own carrier board for it with a project in mind. That's where the value is with these. As for dealing with faulty or missing items from oversees, I feel you. Been looking for a package FNIRSI said they sent out twice now and just get radio silence from them and a shrug from USPS.

[@GodOfPixies]

Man as far as i can see you're the first person to post a video about thos board. That's some impressive performance for the form factor, and I am really excited to see if anyone does any clustering videos with this thing.

[@SP95]

Sticking computers on GPUs always makes me chuckle

[@Kekeripo]

These modules would shine in upgradable NAS enclosures. WOuld have loved a N305 in a synlogy looking 6 bay nas, which i could upgrade in a few years to something beefyer, if ever needed.

[@frankwong9486]

Connect a Saberent 1 to 4 m.2 card and put 4 M2 sata controller card on it and pretend a 24 bay Nas 😂 ( total bandwidth limited to gen 3.0x4 which is limited by the quad M2 card controller)

[@ZombieLincoln666]

@@Kekeripo I’d rather just buy a mini-itx nas board with this processor

[@sndrs]

N305 got hands. I'm impressed

[@robertlawrence9000]

Horrible garbage

[@riklaunim]

Worse than older Ryzen 7 or Intels. It's 8 cores but those E cores that have limitations. (while N305 isn't cheap).

[@rustyshackleford7200]

@@riklaunim and uses WAY less power, you cant even compare those.

[@riklaunim]

@@rustyshackleford7200 you can to Ryzen U-series for example ;)

[@_..-.._..-.._]

It do be gotting hands. Also, you’re _repressed, not impressed._

[@alistairblaire6001]

That GPU performs better than I expected with only 4 PCIe lanes

[@fabiowie]

I've met ETA Prime on the Latte Panda Alpha video. We came a long way. What a joyous ride. Thanks my anonymous friend with a beautiful voice.

[@habana7638]

It makes me nauseous after two seconds, the worst fake voice i ever heard...sorry.. brrrr.

[@TheEvox81]

Just a note for anyone interested in purchasing this... The Latte Panda Mu listed on their website is NOT the N305 variant. Neither the LP website nor the store website have this version of the Mu listed for sale currently.

[@natearrigoni]

Yea, I had to dig around to find the N305 version. I think people can do better for that price and the price of the carrier board though unless they are making their own carrier boards. That's really what these are for.

[@JazzTechie]

I was able to find it. $250 bucks. heatsink is $12

[@yoshikinanami7434]

Still waiting for something like this but in the exact CM4 form factor so it can work as a drop in replacement

[@D.u.d.e.r]

Very cool! Upgrading from N100 to N305 definitely delivers expected performance boost, however compared pricewise N305 is still quite expensive. RTX4060 on the other hand is making it nicely performing 1080p gaming PC.

[@nightwalkerj]

This looks like it would be good for a custom arcade cab.

[@classyorb]

Cool little mini PC

[@20windfisch11]

This is actually a very attractive little machine for homelabs. With Proxmox on the eMMC and an extra SSD it should already run Ceph and there should be enough breathing room for Kubernetes. Or you run Kubernetes bare-metal from the eMMC, format the SSD with BTRFS and mount the volumes to where containerd stores its containers and Rancher stores the volumes. That PCIe should also be powerful enough to run a 10G NIC if you want to.

[@MyPhone-qg2eh]

Excellent demo. This setup would work for a lot of people. The Jeff Geerling of x86! Running steam on 20W😂😂😂

[@z2hhiro529]

I miss ur emulation tests especially the switch emulation

[@shadowarez1337]

Nintendo is a pos they prob didn't make $100,000,000 in lawsuits so anyone showing that content will be a massive target.

[@DerangedCoconut808]

Yea Nintendo misses those too.

[@shadowarez1337]

@DerangedCoconut808 there legal department can't afford the yatch or 100lbs of come for the party.

[@MrCanberry]

ETA PRIME drinking game: take a shot every time you hear "that thing"

[@nomoredlc593]

The problem I see with these low-end SBCs is that we haven't seen anything new in at least 2 years (arm chips barely have any presence, the latest from Intel is that said n305 (which has the letdown of being confined with 16gb of single channel RAM) and the latest from amd is only those horrible steam deck leftovers they call mendocino, which btw,were even older tech CPU side)

[@natearrigoni]

I hope the mini-PC market booming these days might help manufacturers invest in some better SBC's but I don't know how much of a market that would be. Is there enough demand for them to sink money into R$D? I keep circling back to LattePanda's boards and FrameWork parts when looking for powerful sbc's so I would love a bigger market for sure.

[@a892728]

Banana Pi R4 or other Risc-V SBC ?

[@nomoredlc593]

@@a892728 still fall into the category of not having anything new,they just repurpose older higher end chips for new models

[@FroggyTWrite]

the n300 and 305 are great chips, the tdp limit really hurts them though. on laptops i have had a hard time getting throttlestop to let me increase the tdp

[@frshunter]

Nice review as always. However there seem to be much better devices more powerful and all in one that come up smaller and cheaper.

[@gogiez]

and finally n305 version appears on the store! :)

[@autodidact7127]

I cant find this anywhere. Like the N305 does not appear to exist from this company.

[@whitebeartigtig]

same, can only find the N100. Would have been really cool for some projects at that form factor.

[@monkev1199]

Not yet released

[@Spoolingturbo6]

This could make my proxmox / NAS / VM setup fit in one box ! and footprint of a MidTower

[@haziqsembilanlima]

I wish Skymont-based Atom would come sooner but with ADL-N being refreshed as Twin Lake, would take a few more years. It's still industrial-focused product so the lifecycle is long, just look at Jasper Lake.

[@TheAlgonquin-z6f]

which goes to show that chip manufacturers should opt to push for more igpu power as opposed to cpu. Cpu perf is pretty good atp

[@x0vg5hs1]

Igpu size means in can't fit on sub 200 USD chip. That's why Ryzen 5600g has full size Vega igpu but for 8500g and 8300g have half the size of GPU and no Npu

[@DiniAmira-i2q]

Your GPU has nice Mini PC 👍👍

[@Betruet]

hdmi and a usbC on this board would make it a purchase for me. nice and small I like it

[@natearrigoni]

There is HDMI on that board and USB-C but just power input though, lol. You can make your own board; that's kind of what they want with the MU. The 2 carrier boards are dev boards to flush out functionality.

[@Betruet]

@@natearrigoni as in a HDMI and USB-C port natively on the board but yes I understand what you mean by make your own carrier board

[@jokosusilountung9205]

Lovely small 😍

[@gloryholdofficial]

Man thinking about nvidia and amd incorporating arm chips on the gpu in one package would be so amazing just order up a 6080 with a snapdragon elite strapped on and slotting it into a tiny case with a power supply making upgrades insanely easy I just hope they actually allow you to do your own ram and storage and they don’t just apple it and lock everything to the spec you order but it’s coming fast

[@ranjitmandal1612]

Nice board but can't find it anywhere 😕

[@andrebradley1924]

I would love to learn more about how to build my own mini pc that I can game on from retro gaming to some ps3 games

[@gloryholdofficial]

I am excited for windows arm getting full support for external gpus and such we will see massive performance jumps with much lower power draw and most system power will have diversion for the gpu its coming along with possible arm chips for sale solo like we see with x86 chips now

[@picardsfish18]

Need to use the 6400 and build a tiny Bazzite machine.

[@natearrigoni]

Yes he did!

[@picardsfish18]

N100 was the only thing available.

[@gardnerunderhill3661]

@@picardsfish18 They are listing the N300. But is currently listed as out of stock. You can supply your email address to be notified when they have it in stock. Which I did. I may go ahead and get the kit with the N100. Since the form factor and pin out appear to be the same.

[@oldbrokenhands]

The only question I have is can you make something like this wearable, attach it to a VR headset and do some kind of mixed reality gaming?

[@glennwest267]

Really would love a NAS carrier board with 10gig or better ethernet. Great NAS with juicy and minio with a set of 6. :)

[@auggieaxiom5726]

man i love old games on low settings

[@user-sk6ch9jo9c]

Can it run... CRISIS?!

[@Nikki_Ren]

now i wanna see you use chimera os and turn it into a sic mini console system

[@catafest]

I wonder if the new Orion SBC from Nvidia could have a better graphics card for gaming... it would be a real device for a gaming developer ... good review !

[@hendra_joe_]

Latte Panda "Manchester United". Anyway, i like the cooling fan style.

[@KingBjord]

iGPU on intel chips tend to disable when a discrete gpu is installed, you can modify this in some BIOS revisions depending on the board makers BIOS firmware, it's disabled due to stability issues that can arise from running both

[@ZombieLincoln666]

You can use an hdmi dummy plug

[@middleclassthrash]

I would love to show this to my 2012 self. The GPU used to hang off the PC, now the PC hangs off the GPU.

[@RcModelCarsVienna]

Great Vid. like ever. Could you make a vid about power efficiency and which hardware can do it cost-effective and most power efficiency? For some mini PC or a DIY solution. the i3 305 looks nice about this...

[@gtonline7]

The I/O board just needs the PCI slot at a right angle and then this would sandwich to an ultra small power machine..

[@socialhostage8534]

Would be nice for a 1U rack pc!

[@zadtheinhaler]

Hell yeah, you could fit at least two, perhaps three in a 1U chassis.

[@ewenchan1239]

To get it up and running, it's quite expensive and the CPU performance just isn't there to be able to justify the cost, especially when you consider that by the time all's said and done, there are some other mini PCs that can get very close to this level of performance (either if you exclude the cost of the dGPU or even if you include it).

[@JazzTechie]

I might actually get one. Although the OG is no slouch.

[@NikitaNikitaNikita]

many years ago in history of PC tech was a tecnology named slot1 and its very similar like that board)

[@sirapheonix]

How did you get a barrel jack on the PSU? I didnt even know you could do that.

[@limysyenpai537]

This could be the core for an upgradeable handheld.

[@anon_y_mousse]

I would like to see all of them running Linux. Although, with these type of devices, I do find myself wondering if it's worth it, given the effort to set them up and the price point. Unless you really need the power and the ability to stuff it into a tinier case, I would just go with a Pi. Of course, it might be useful to compare them with mini PC's, because they're both tiny and powerful, even if drastically overpriced.

[@vng]

Have you actually tried running a 3050 through the PCIe slot? That slot is not a full length slot, so it will not be able to deliver 75W of power. You might be able to run an older Quadro card like the P600 with a lower power draw.

[@jvm-tv]

They don't have it on their website yet

[@der-Troet]

some emulation would be nice to see.

[@MajatekYT]

🗣 "Latte Panda 🐱"

[@harsh_singh332]

What about emulation ?

[@Youtube_Testers69]

Am still rolling with I3-8109U and igpu

[@Symbiiote]

Will this slot in to the uconsole?

[@trippycat]

what’s the price of it?

[@huybo02]

They still not yet get a camera port like Rpi?

[@qwerty4561]

Wouldve been interesting to see how it performs with an A2000 GPU so gaming with 70-ish watts. Afaik it doesnt get more energy efficient that that when it comes to performance.

[@relaxwithai]

Please can you also try including AI workflows (image/text gen) in future reviews?

[@danielgomez2503]

Definitely want to see the Linux version of this video and possibly with intel GPU instead of AMD

[@SirTodd]

id love to see the rx6400 on Linux as mentioned

[@Shemhamforaesh]

so 15w what does that mean in battery language. If I was to run it as a cyberdeck, how many hours do I get with 15w?

[@_..-.._..-.._]

Depends on how many watt-hours your battery is. If you have a 150 watt-hour battery, your CPU would last 10 hours on it, but your screen and other things will take power too.

[@natearrigoni]

I have the N100 MU set up with a 1440P monitor running off an 84Wh battery bank (Anker 757) and get about 5 hrs just watching KZbin videos and streams. About 10w for the Mu and 10w for the screen. So less for the N305 MU. It's not too bad but not the smoothest either.

[@acubley]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="210">03:30</a> Confused, ark says the N305 is single channel.

[@Megatog615]

wish it was the same size as the CM3 and same pinout so it could be a replacement.

[@khangaudio399]

❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@codingyang]

Where's the NEXT SBC you introduced several weeks ago? Have been waiting for that AMD bad boy for a while, but all I can find are reports using your video as the only source.

[@moralreality7328]

N305 is a great nas server chip

[@dustinsimoneau4780]

Something I was meaning to ask but never got the time: how well can Bazzete/other Steam Deck OS based systems run on the likes of this and the Raspberry Pi 500?

[@salimbenabadji7963]

the cable you used to link PSU with Lattepanda MU via jack port , is there link to purchase it ?

[@axeltroja9390]

i3 N305 = Lithographie Intel 7 = 10nm - could be way more energy efficient with an AMD APU based on TSMC much smaller manufacturing standards

[@CharmPeddler]

I have a latte Panda V3 Delta and I'm wondering how you think the two of them without external graphics cards hold up against each other?

[@hulkhogan2273]

Please try this tiny board with the new intel arc b580... =)...

[@justbrowsing5279]

It can playback 4k HVEC files without issue? With the IGPU I mean.

[@rastamouse7861]

Yes, please try Linux on it but get one of those Dell OEM RX 6500 cards!

[@SHADOWKILLER66600]

How much did it cost you all this?

[@techfan7808]

Could you talk about latte panda's corporate culture, the design of the boards, software, and supply chain?

[@topelite666]

N305 is soo old at this point. amazed new products are still coming out using it

[@o_o6869]

i would love to have a pc small as mobile with power of 9950x3d and 4090 and colling header like this

[@GoblinArmyInYourWalls]

Interested

[@antus1411]

When does this come out?

[@frankwong9486]

The n305 on my cwwk board can pull 38w and still not enough to max out all core boost clock+ igp transcode task 😅

[@paulturner5769]

In the BIOS settings you skipped right over the TPM and stuff that made it Windows 11 compatible. Oversight or politics?

[@christopher480]

Whats a dgpu?

[@Sithhy]

Dedicated graphics card instead of having one built into the CPU

[@ultrium2000]

I would like to see it run Linux. Also I would like to see it run with the Intel B580 graphics card.

[@FrankTinsley]

Would windows 3.1 work on this thing?

[@ESGamingCentral]

Price?

[@ele.zer0696]

*POWER!!!!!*

[@JockMurphy]

Ah yes, a RPi "killer" that is bigger, requires more power, has less gpio, etc; this is a great board but better is always in relation to a use case. If your use case is performance based then yes; but if it is size, or gpio based, then no. Can we just stop measuring by a single metric without regard of purpose?

[@RamirezAcevedoMau]

Everything is shrinking except graphic cards 🧐

[@djesky1]

I cringe when you touch the gold edge connectors on those graphics cards. Static discharge is very real and can kill cards.

[@stizandelasage]

perfect

[@heyarno]

The rtx 4000 would be about the same speed but not need external power.

[@judasthepious1499]

as a small person that likes big women.. this is really represents me

[@M.C.Turnt69]

Strange, my 1060 6gb got 60455....