Capitalism vs. Socialism: A Soho Forum Debate

"Socialism is preferable to capitalism as an economic system that promotes freedom, equality, and prosperity."
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That proposition was the subject of a November 5, 2019, debate hosted by the Soho Forum, a monthly debate series sponsored by Reason. Arguing in favor of the resolution was Richard D. Wolff, an economist at the University of Massachusetts and the author, most recently, of Understanding Marxism. Taking the other side was former Barron's economics editor Gene Epstein, who is also the Soho Forum's co-founder and director. Reason's Nick Gillespie served as moderator.
It was an Oxford-style debate, in which the audience votes on the resolution at the beginning and end of the event; the side that gains the most ground is victorious. It was a packed house, with about 450 people in attendance. The pre-debate vote found that 25 percent of the audience agreed that socialism was preferable to capitalism, 49.5 percent picked capitalism as the better system, and 25.5 percent were undecided. Despite a technical problem at the event itself, the Soho Forum was able to recover the final vote totals, which saw support for socialism drop by half a percentage point and support for capitalism increase to 71 percent.
Produced by John Osterhoudt
Photo Credit: Brett Raney

[@Brogle288]

The thumbnail looks like Bernie Sanders vs Bernie Sanders

[@GuwJuice_PttP]

It’s actually Bernie vs Trump. Socialist vs capitalist

[@imbetter599]

Smallhat v smallhat

[@GuwJuice_PttP]

Reuben Thomasson Lol you okay bro?

[@janhandrex7886]

Its Bernie from Universe A versus Bernie from Universe B.

[@raphaelhowse9712]

bernie sanders vs the demons in his head

[@fercojurado9948]

Scroll down the comments to see a bunch of people not addressing any arguments made

[@jamesrountree3991]

Ironically like your text😉

[@iyouweGAME]

Example: this comment.

[@imperfectious]

Mr. Wolff offers nothing but rhetorical flourishes, strawmen, and conflation. What argument is there to address?

[@darkmanex1485]

@aish b yeah, debates often do that.

[@rickmolina2206]

Welcome to youtube comments!

[@m.e.p.r]

The thing that struck me the most throughout the debate, is how two people with vehemently opposing views, respected each other, actively listened and could engage in heated conversation, without resorting to petty insults and underhandedness. They both remained lazer focused throughout and even managed to find some common ground. In parts of the debate they stood up and protected the others right to speak and be heard, when heckled by audience members. A lack of civility and the inability to respect a political opponent in this way, is perhaps the greatest threat to modern democracy, politics and freedom of expression we currently face. This is what serious people sound like. Very different from our world leaders isnt it?

[@smangy5442]

Socialism is the greatest threat to democracy and freedom of expression we face today.

[@user-gl9mb6nb5f]

goood

[@davolpatel]

I wonder how old politicians go to sleep peacefully everyday inthis day and age when so many people are afraid and hungry everyday. It is is so sad. And they all want to be humanitarians while killings of innocents go on and on everyday.

[@KhiaAbdl-xi1kp]

They serve the same boss ( globaliste s) against a common ennemi which is the people.

[@reymarrero740]

Gene Epstein begins with an apology to Richard Wolff for an earlier outburst, he subsequently transitions into a critique that personalizes the concept of socialism to Wolff’s interpretations, rather than addressing the ideology in a broader sense. This strategy subtly shifts the debate from a general discussion to a more personal critique, which could be perceived as a nuanced form of personalization that edges towards underhanded critique, albeit within the bounds of formal respect. EDIT: Yeah... Gene is literally attacking Richard's character and whenever he touches on the primary subject he just gives examples of all the current problems we are living with...

[@QueenOfMud]

The moderator was extremely unprofessional. Several snarky comments towards Prof. Wolff with no chance to address them, and downright rude commenting on the appearance and gender of the questioners.

[@timothynesbitt9148]

We were accidentally on purpose not taught economics at school

[@Amani-zo8ic]

We were

[@ConstantChristine]

You learn that in college

[@badwolf5117]

Constant Christine Not necessarily and their are economics in high school but it is usually an AP course.

[@Amani-zo8ic]

Big Bad Wolf you literally learn civics and economics in sophomore of your high school years

[@Pinkie007]

Big Bad Wolf nobody’s stopping you from reading books and educating yourself like everyone else. Btw a study showed that 60% of millionaires are self made and come from working class families. Also school isn’t meant to teach people how to become rich, it’s meant to teach people skills so that they can sell their labor in the market. You don’t need school to start a business

[@cade8986]

The moderator thought everyone was there to listen to him

[@ViaMirage]

The moderator decided to channel a poor man’s Tony Montana from Scarface. 😂🤦🏼‍♀️ 🗣🗣

[@historical_idiot]

@@ViaMirage cringe comment bro

[@slaffkas]

Idiotic statement from the moderator indeed.

[@bperez8656]

He’s a libertarian thought leader

[@pvenoob]

Don't you just love it when people actually reason?

[@Loquacious_Jackson]

I don't care either way, to be perfectly honest...

[@munkoman]

@@Loquacious_JacksonBetter to scream at each other instead?

[@Loquacious_Jackson]

@@munkoman definitely more entertaining...

[@ran4082]

​@@Loquacious_Jackson social media and other technology has really messed up our brains, we can't even watch important stuff like debates if they aren't super entertaining for us? Maybe entertainment isn't a requirement for enrichment, maybe our population doesn't need to be entertained 24/7

[@mahlergustav9908]

​@@Loquacious_Jacksonwhy

[@Geraldo3003]

Great debate from two extremely interesting men, even a terrible moderator who struggled to hide his own bias couldn't ruin it

[@ksyssl1]

who was he bias towards?

[@Zantigableiaust]

​@@ksyssl1 The moderator is literally rimming the capitalist asses bud:]

[@jayvbooth]

@@ksyssl1capitalism

[@djtoxicdhg]

I just wish the rest of the mainstream media had these serious type of debates that way people could be properly educated and have real battles of opinion as opposed to just saying Venezuela or taxes

[@blackearl7891]

Yeah, but then that would make us educated. They don't want that.

[@buckyflex1]

I couldn't agree more. I'm about as far from an academic or intellectual as one could get, a truck driver as a matter or fact, and this was just like pure nourishment for my brain i was instantly so engaged i fired off 3 or 4 comments before Mr Wolf even finished his opening statement.lol My point is the gatekeepers think the average Joe has no interest in any sort of long form or in depth philosophical discussion/debate when that couldn't be further from the truth. These are the big ideas that will shape our future for better or worse and as a society we should be breaking them down, scrutinizing and re-scrutinizing them constantly from all sides n angles.

[@jdavis7993]

@@buckyflex1 Intellectualism is about sonder interest in the truth, not profession. I wouldn't make the assumption that a truck driver is incapable of being an intellectual. Frankly, discussion of important economic ideas *must* include the working class. That is the driving force behind Marxist ideology, whether you think economic systems should be capitalist or not. Frankly, I would prefer a capitalist system where some board chairs are just employee representatives, almost like a company parliament. The thing is, this might actually be less efficient than just having the government impose a required board structure. Conversation as to what the best form of the system would be is up for debate, but all stakeholders, including employees, should be considered.

[@iheartTrollin420]

Like what @blackearl7891 said, the msm has an agenda and it is not to educate the masses, and if they do, then they educate the masses to what they want you to think not what might be true

[@djtoxicdhg]

@@buckyflex1 vary true my frend

[@TP-gc8bt]

Imagine if US had a presidential debate this clean..

[@user-yx7eh1et4j]

may be in our dreams. US Presidents are very far from this caliber of intellectualism lol

[@kronk358]

*we

[@alextrainor2552]

That couldve happened if trump wasnt one of the debaters

[@clipempolitics]

@@alextrainor2552 oh yeah because Biden’s decomposing brain connections wasn’t it?? 🤣

[@jackjohnson1666]

@@alextrainor2552 Trump 2024 baby!! USA 🇺🇸

[@hannahmaria6887]

Every comment I’ve read on this comment section refers to the respectful conduct both use throughout the debate. If that doesn’t highlight the depth the current political debate system has sunk to, don’t know what does…

[@the_dank_kidx7381]

I like how instead of the debaters calling each other petty names, they respectively stated their points and argued them out, thats what im interested in!

[@brandonvillatuya9539]

A person that sounds like Bernie Sanders vs a person that looks like Bernie Sanders.

[@czechgop7631]

*both proceed to talk about Bernie Sanders*

[@Tefera-hf8fw]

Eastern Europe jews

[@malikahmoomin]

😁😁😁😁

[@GridIndustries]

@Sepher Agon hahahahhahah what

[@GridIndustries]

@Sepher Agon no need to be rude, honey.

[@petersavvas9022]

"don't let school get in the way of your education" - love it!

[@zokm8165]

Mark Twain

[@michaelregan4409]

dont let corona stop your education at home it is better to learn at home then to go to school and be exposed to the virus high school kids get the virus and a 12 year old died of it so it is saying even a toddler can get it your kids are to precious to let go to school love them while you can all you can and keep them safe and at home college can be done online just like grade school i rather be doing this for my kids would,nt you take care everybody and for all of you just so you know mega dosing vitamin c will help clear out phmonia

[@kasperorganics-organiccott6881]

Mark Twain with brilliant!

[@MoneyOverFame]

Brilliant

[@steven92014]

you get qualifications in school, true education comes from living life

[@jefflo4907]

that moderator is the only thing i dont like about this debate

[@alexjulia4870]

Right? Why does he keep rushing them? Aren’t they there to debate? So annoying

[@Zantigableiaust]

​@@alexjulia4870 I can relate to that. The the moderator is really itching for attention, disgusting!

[@Cinnamon666Coca]

The moderator was definitely a douchebg.

[@mr.newhaven]

I can really appreciate a healthy debate and open dialogue.

[@alecgorman4691]

This beats watching two 17 year olds duet each other on TikTok

[@Namoomti]

I just made the decision to put down TikTok and watch this

[@alecgorman4691]

@@Namoomti it’s nice at first but ya eventually it’s good to put tik tok down and dive a little deeper

[@wiskybiskits]

leave some respect for us mature ones 😭😂

[@alecgorman4691]

@@varadhk3159 to be fair I’m only 18 so I don’t have room to talk, not hate to 17 year olds

[@tjenglish7036]

Exactly lol I got tired of the same arguments over and over tiktok is a nice place to start though

[@restoinpresto4025]

POV: You're here looking for valid arguments and just seeing everyone hate the Mod

[@jimpa7011]

the mod really shouldn't have that job though lol

[@mcs106]

CAPITALISM AND THE SO CALLED DEMOCRACY ARE THE BEST ASYLUM FOR THE RULERS, THE ELITES AND THE RICH TO LOOTING THE POOR IN THE NAME OF JUSTICE BUT IT IS A LURE FOR THE COMMON AND THE DENIED.

[@arpitabrahmachari7649]

@@mcs106 oh shut up

[@theamericanspirit8590]

@@arpitabrahmachari7649 he's right...heter

[@Tzizenorec]

@@theamericanspirit8590 Mohammed's statement was completely out of place, like he was just hijacking a top comment. Doesn't matter whether he was right, he shouldn't have said it here.

[@user-kn6gk3ey9o]

So grateful for this mature discourse on a hotly debated topic. I don’t recall learning any socialism in HS or college. This was very informative.

[@Linda-wo4zr]

My husband's brother was reading a book on marxism in high school and he got suspended from school. The US the land of the free. Haha

[@willnitschke]

Yeah, people can get touchy when someone is making a public show of reading a text that lead to the deaths of around 100 million people in the 20th century. Weird, huh? However, Marx is not banned in the US. You can still read his books if you wish, just as you can read Mein Kampf, if you're more of an ethno-nationalist socialist over a Marxist, for example.

[@moeinnowrouzi]

did your husband brother ever read any book from George Orwell named animal farm ?

[@moeinnowrouzi]

did you now a country that ever run by marxism in reality ?

[@Chief_Bill]

​@@moeinnowrouziOrwell was a socialist himself, he just didn't like the more authoritarian forms of it, like Marxism-Leninism, Stalin's regime, etc Your comment is stupid and does not provide anything helpful whatsoever

[@moeinnowrouzi]

@@Chief_Bill sheeps of animal farm don't want accept the truth of socialism , do they ? the way you talk remember me of them 🤣

[@Vic2point0]

Moderator: Let's stay on topic! (makes a joke about a guy's man bun) Guy: Yeah my man bun is- Moderator: STAY ON TOPIC!

[@corykim2969]

lmao!

[@fuckamericanidiot]

That was annoying

[@mdbahrozbaburali]

I bet you are a fan of William Lane Craig

[@Vic2point0]

@@mdbahrozbaburali What an amazingly accurate "guess" 😛

[@mdbahrozbaburali]

@@Vic2point0 actually I found you yo be the only defender of him in a video related to his debate with Seam Carroll. I admire William Lane Craig a lott. He is one of the best intellectuals i have ever had the privilege to listen to.

[@joeydoherty368]

Can’t tell if anyone in the comments favors capitalism or socialism, just that they don’t like the moderator. Edit: Shit 2k likes and 166 relies. Never had that happen thanks guys. Not that that means anything, but it feels good.

[@gwho]

Lmao 🤣🤣 Hate, at the the of the day, is what unites. 🤣🤣

[@applesnpears9828]

A mix of both ideologies seems to be preferable.

[@wl415]

@@applesnpears9828 The issue is the people with power they do not allow reform or give us the bare minimum. Government is protecting private interests over the madnesses, our capitalist society is not democratic it’s just a mess. Even the markets are bullshit now. So many issues with our systems today. If anyone here does favour capitalism I think even they would admit our market is definitely not free. Currently trying to learn the best approach to make things better.

[@Skyhawk656]

@@applesnpears9828 congratulations you’ve come full circle and arrived at FDRs new deal

[@sierraadams8009]

Socialism here. Was on the fence until the capitalist guy started talking s*** about the socialist rather than keeping it on the subject

[@lavonnacasey5724]

This is what a debate sounds like. The crap we are used to on television is not.

[@ocayapaakera9173]

I am from Uganda, thanks to the participants for their debate. It has given us a new direction in the reasoning of ideas.

[@henrymugerwa3850]

Yes

[@vookudlak1]

Moderator "I'm going to be a nazi" First person to ask a question " hello I am from Germany" lmfao

[@reddseth9733]

and then he tells him to shut up lmao

[@vtabbs7836]

I thought I was the only one who caught that lol

[@czvkxo]

Can you post the mark point lmao

[@SlapDatCow]

@@reddseth9733 Golddddd

[@kevintheinnovator3604]

@@czvkxo I believe it’s 49:00

[@roysmith9149]

Need more of theses debates, intelligent people using facts to argue there point and not dummies screaming at each other like monkeys

[@jd-yo2is]

Wolff doesn't really make any sort of point though... The gist of his whole argument is 'I want something else' But the thing he wants is already that we already have...? He just wants to force it onto everyone I guess...? He doesn't make anything close to a technical economic argument this whole debate. Not to mention that almost all of his 'points' about capitalism can be refuted by just silently pointing at Scandinavia...

[@jd-yo2is]

Eros well Wolff’s whole argument is based on the whole Marxist idea that workers are exploited by wage labor. But we can look at Scandinavia and see some of the most most egalitarian and successful advanced economies of all time. Some of the highest GINIs, best economic mobility. All the social programs you could imagine... These are mixed ‘capitalist’ economies.. Free markets, large private, for profit sectors. This private sector and the growth it brings can be taxed to support social programs. Wolff’s whole argument that ‘capitalism’ is inherently exploitive doesn’t really stand up to common sense economics. At least domestically. Internationally is another long discussion to have.

[@jd-yo2is]

John Proctor labor isn’t the only input of production. Labor is important but not necessarily all that important in many companies. We can talk utopia all day and use that as a framework to criticize the current system. But ‘workers DESERVE to be paid their average product of labor or it’s EXPLOITATION’ is a pretty dumb oversimplified starting off point.

[@jd-yo2is]

John Proctor ‘some owners treated their slaves well and taught them to read’ You missed the entire point... As I said...the most advanced, economically mobile, richest, egalitarian system OF ALL TIME... That’s an achievement bud... But you just whine that it’s not good enough because of some flawed and oversimplified philosophy about 'exploitation' and baselessly compare it to slavery.

[@nguyenthanhhai6725]

Does it go to ANYWHERE? they have debated this since forever

[@user-zy9sb3dp9y]

What a beautiful debate, nice to see people disagreeing productively. Highly educated professors at their best in their field! Very informative.

[@francisleblanc2834]

😊😊😊**#😊

[@michaelboulos3272]

Was there ever a sequel to this debate where time wasn't an issue!? BTW, thanks for posting!

[@s.u.h.6548]

Rarely we see both those in the side of socialism and capitalism in so much agreement, we both find this moderator annoying.

[@CynicalBastard]

@Larry Riffett You're an idiot.

[@wackoyacko4541]

Solidarity 👊

[@annierandolph6358]

@@wackoyacko4541 and me

[@ler6118]

@Larry Riffett wait, if Libertarians are Socialists, who are actually Capitalists? AnCaps only or what?

[@mcglubski]

@Larry Riffett I'm sorry what?

[@auldmelder4522]

I feel like you should probably include the names of the debaters in the title. Seems a little odd not to.

[@billfargo9616]

The concept of debate is new to you.

[@uzziake]

@@billfargo9616 What are you talking about

[@donotlike4anonymus594]

would u really want youtube to demonotized and de rank this videos more...

[@stevetillberg]

@The Cheap Investor that's mr dr wilf to you

[@bryansnaylor]

Perhaps the search can pick up on what is in the description which does contain their names? Not sure how youtube works but a quick google search of their names with the word debate brought it up nicely. I imagine the clickbaity title, which drew me in, does its job well

[@Flash-pp3cr]

Great debate. I didn't really like the very last speech since it went back to stereotyping. But besides that it was pretty epic. I learned a lot.

[@Linda-wo4zr]

Jacque has a community in Flordia and he gave tours of the community and explained how his no monetary system worked. He had futuristic homes he designed.

[@grosty2353]

Timestamps 0:00 Intro 0:41 Welcome and Rules Layout 2:20 Socialist Opening 20:06 Capitalist Opening 38:24 Socialist Rebuttal 43:40 Capitalist Rebuttal 49:17 Q&A 1:23:53 Socialist Closing 1:31:21 Capitalist Closing 1:38:35 Final Results Like so others can see!

[@ChitranjanBaghiofficial]

ok got it, thanks for the effort man, you are a blessing to the viewers of this video.👍🏻

[@thisusernameisalreadytaken8041]

Thanks

[@AlertROFL]

Thanks man.

[@defaultlogos2976]

Bless you

[@grosty2353]

Wow all of a sudden I feel like a hero for taking like 10 minutes to scrub through this video

[@s1mplem4gic58]

Guys I just replaced the T H E in THE with A M O N G U S and got Among Us 🤯🤯😱😱

[@youwaisef]

Fuck everybody. I thought I'd balance things a bit.

[@arturolagos5704]

Do you think people ho fight in KZbin comments actually watch meaningful content? XD

[@hisir4674]

Ni🇳🇬gga

[@Ltpwnface]

This is an hour long debate.. people who aren’t chill are elsewhere just entertaining themselves and fighting in the comments.

[@burtpanzer]

Only retards are chill on this topic.

[@mindlessgreen]

Nice debate. Richard talks like a revolutionary. "We want change but we have no concrete plans on how to do that". Gene talks about practical change. "Let's try to fix the problems we have with current crapitalism".

[@xenmorempire]

So why aren't they fixing it?

[@misterauctor7353]

@@TalkwithLina There is no need for reform, since Captialism is better than socialism.

[@TrueChannelFor1]

@@misterauctor7353 ya ya bootlicker

[@JohnnyRocker023]

​@@misterauctor7353nah, there is definite need for reform. Even if you are a capitalist, there are glaringly obvious issues with our current system, the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. Where the educated socialist and educated capitalist differ on this train of thought, is much like Mr. Epstein said, the libertarian capitalist prefers less regulation and only government intervention to prevent monopolies. The socialist, depending on their belief, says either by violence or democracy we must overthrow the entire system and implement a socialist system, usually through massive government intervention. But to say we need no reform is frankly idiotic.

[@swerzye4472]

that doesn't logically follow from the premise. Also, no.@@misterauctor7353

[@TheCocktailTimes]

How can i find those professor's?

[@jasonkk8050]

I learned what capitalism and communism is only after I graduated high school.

[@mystuff6045]

Im learning about it right now in 12th grade lol

[@martinfoley1905]

@@mystuff6045 definitely watch Richard wolffs stuff

[@gimpzilla]

Socialism and communism are two totally different from each other and barely any Americans even know that

[@daddychill2029]

Gimpzilla not totally different. All communist are pro socialism but not all socialist are pro communism. I do agree though a lot of people don’t know the difference.

[@jamesjackson4741]

Kenzz_mw yeah. Socialism is the community claiming the means of production, communism is the state.

[@ericsnyder4294]

In the interests of having a smooth running discussion while minimizing interruption, can we all agree that Nick Gilespie should never run a debate again?

[@JohnSmith-si6kw]

Absolutely. He has time to crack jokes, then won't allow people asking questions to make a single statement to add context to their question. It's the Nick Gillespie show here. This isn't a debate. It's the Nick Gillespie show.

[@TheConstitutionFirst]

MARXISM, COMMUNISM AND SOCIALISM ARE PRODUCTS JUST LIKE CAPITALISM. If you are interested in buying some MARXISM, COMMUNISM AND SOCIALISM PRODUCTS: See my sales pitch: kzbin.info/www/bejne/i5_OfnRmoZx0nJo MARXISM, COMMUNISM AND SOCIALISM ARE PRODUCTS JUST LIKE CAPITALISM. MARXISM, COMMUNISM AND SOCIALISM PRODUCTS ALL MARKETED TO YOU AS FREE CANDY AND ARE SUPER ATTRACTIVE TO SUFFERING PEOPLE. SOCIALISTS ARE THE BEST SNAKE OIL CAPITALISTS OF ALL TIME. YOU END UP GIVING UP ALL YOUR FREEDOMS AND ALL YOUR BRAIN FUNCTIONS UP FOR ONE CRAP PRODUCT THAT DOES NOT EVEN EXIST - (FREE STUFF). CAPITALISTS ONLY THRIVE WHEN THEY GET WHAT HELPS! HOWEVER, YOU ONLY HAVE TO BUY WHAT YOU NEED. CAPITALISM REQUIRES REAL LIFE EXPERIENCE AND EFFORT AND FULL FREEDOM TO THINK AND TO SEE THE SNAKE OIL SALESMAN AS HE APPROACHES YOU. YOU THEN CAN REMOVE THEM FROM EXISTENCE NOT THOUGH VIOLENCE BUT BY NOT BUYING. THE SNAKE OILMAN COMES IN MANY FORMS. YOU NEED TO LIVE FREE TO FIND THEM!

[@hugorezende199]

i was laughting on the fist question , the dude talked too much and tried too much to build a context. But then Nick just tried to land some jokes just like that "man bum" joke, moments that he makes it more confusing and odd (i did laught about the joke).

[@iSchneeball]

At 1:12:40 what is the book he is talking about? I couldn't make out the author :)

[@bane3991]

Pursuing happiness by Stanley Lebergott

[@philochristos]

This was a good debate. My only complaint is that the debaters didn't get to cross examine each other.

[@timothyandrewnielsen]

They didnt debate.

[@LiquidGirlfriendFreeBoy]

I really enjoyed this debate. I miss talking about issues without screaming.

[@rtyums6830]

did someone say trump?

[@LiquidGirlfriendFreeBoy]

@@rtyums6830 To be fair I've seen far more people who dislike Trump screaming at people than his fans. Maybe because the anti trump type of person is more social and outgoing so their behavior is caught on tape and online. It's a mess either way you look at it.

[@bleu9396]

Immediately think of someone lmao

[@rtyums6830]

@@LiquidGirlfriendFreeBoy Trump is a literal manchild. He said that coronavirus was a hoax initially, before blaming china for him failing to control it. He loses an election and throws a tantrum claiming it was rigged and stirring up his supporters without evidence. These are all valid reasons for disliking him without going into his right wing politics.

[@LiquidGirlfriendFreeBoy]

@@rtyums6830 I don't exactly disagree with you. Just saying that a lot of left leaning people scream at others now a days in debates, if you can even call them that

[@nickcummins232]

This is just two different versions of Bernie Sanders from alternate realities

[@chucknoland2327]

All doctors of economics around the same age so lol

[@michaelregan4409]

Bernie sanders and Joe Biden said that Socialism is found on Surplus and there are all kinds of surplus American government hoards stuff in warehouses and they call this surplus there are many many many kinds and they were talking about giving it away where you always save more money so much junk the government hoards

[@michaelregan4409]

it is like matter v anti matter economics the thing is Bernie said that it is provided by surplus and so did little Joe Joe is not all together to be able to lead he should be removed from the election before he causes any more harm to America or himself and or others

[@democraticallyelectedceoof2376]

It's actually the Bernie Sanders from our reality but split in half

[@sebasg80]

Wolf is the biggest pseudo economist I’ve heard from Harvard tbh

[@ashleyalcaraz6830]

Very well done. So thankful to have access to this video 🙏

[@MoralScienceEducation]

🙏 Very interesting debate. Worthy to take your topic to moral science curricula for A-level students. In the context of the war most of us personally opt for a form of capitalism cum ethics, especially if we have experienced both forms discussed 🙏

[@77Night77Shade77]

"Yes, what is your question?" "Well, I-" "ALRIGHT, THANK YOU, THAT'S ENOUGH."

[@eddiep4600]

😂😂😂.

[@abdullahiibrahim1785]

Majority of the engines (employees) who are behind World production of goods and services are abused and ripped off under the guise of capitalism. Man eat man society.

[@sealking3838]

@@abdullahiibrahim1785 Lol You are mistaking the majority with the minority like Lenin did in the past.

[@ff-qf1th]

@@sealking3838 unsubstantiated claim. also, abdullahi is not Lenin. not all socialists are the same. we have disagreements about what socialism should be.

[@chessmaster2649]

Lmao

[@darrenwithers3628]

The problem with those debates is that half the audience vote for the position they disagree with at the beginning so it looks like the arguments convinced them. It happens with every one of those debates. It was obvious from the start the way most people would vote.

[@coshelcaudill4822]

If you actually analyzed the graphs you would see that the percentage who agreed with the statement remained stable before and after the debate. It was the undecided crowd who added onto the disagree section. Like the moderator stated at the beginning, only people who voted at the beginning of the debate could vote at the end, indicating that while practically the same amount of people agreed from the beginning to the end of the debate, the amount that disagreed grew substantially, taking from the undecided portion.

[@Maxime_K-G]

I love passionate people open to discussion. My biggest interest has always been thinking about what the best way would be to create a sustainable system that allows everyone to be free to live their life the way they want. Sadly though, discussing this is often very difficult as a lot of people are too caught up in their own beliefs and react very negatively to any form of discussion.

[@zillakamikaze5551]

Apparently most people don't want a discussion, we've been indoctrinated into believing arguments and discussions are the same

[@bigsmoke8816]

*Don't let this comment distract you from the fact that mr krabs once sold spongebobs soul for 62 cents*

[@liberalbias4462]

A true capitalist.

[@masoncrowell1452]

You didnt distract.... you brought this tragedy to my attention.

[@dandelo6479]

Spongebob and squidward need to seize the Krusty Krab. While Spongebob provides the labor for creating the burgers and squidward runs the front end of the business taking orders from the customers, the capitalist (pig) crab pockets the profit while giving the two workers a pittance. Nobody earns the value of their labor. Obviously this is why spongebob and squidward live in squalor and discomfort next to Patrick, who literally lives under a rock, while the bourgeoise live elsewhere. Krabs justifies his profit because he procured the capital to create the restaurant and owns the formula, while actively doing nothing of value for his workers or his society. Plankton, meanwhile, is a reflection of the class struggle as he is ruthlessly outmatched at every turn due to the inherent inequality in the system. Neither worker can “choose” to get another job because the reality of Bikini Bottom is that there aren’t any other reasonable options. Squidward obviously does not voluntarily wish to be there. There is a guise of individualism and self determination thrown over a flawed system. Unfortunately, as long as they can feel superior to Patrick, who is lower in society, they too believe they can one day be like Mr. Krabs.

[@kirsten3116]

YES, an argument for socialism. Finally

[@buggydclown7724]

Dandelo what kind of bullshit is that? crabs built the whole restaurant, he owns it, it is his, the formula is his, spongebob and squidward would have nothing without him, he could replace spongebob and squidward but they can‘t replace the formula, i don‘t know if you are just joking or just a dumbass but there are more than enough dumbasses who would believe the bullshit you just wrote so i took it serious

[@canyon9155]

can we all democratically vote to eject the moderator into space?

[@youtuber6185]

Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for lunch. But the moderator does suck, instead can we write a letter to the representative who employees him?

[@youtuber6185]

Davin S I wish no harm, even to those who may seemingly deserve it. There are things I suck at much like how this moderator sucks at moderating . “I have spoken.... “ lol

[@cristiancr714]

Honestly that dude is such a pretentious prick

[@harolddburke4726]

The speakers are great !

[@sofuckingannoying]

@rob see Gene Epstein said on the Tom Woods podcast that he had asked the mod in advance to be biased in favor of the proposition. That way his victory could not be disputed.

[@elsebabette1727]

Thank you for the informative video. I always prioritize diversifying my investments and never invest my entire savings in one specific type or area.

[@manuelolaf772]

I believe it's important to set achievable goals and have a strategy that includes limiting potential losses on a weekly basis. This approach is both logical and can provide passive yet rewarding returns.

[@daviniafelipe4412]

Every investor dreams of finding a strategy with near-perfect success rates, even if not guaranteed at 100%.

[@arnaulfeike1474]

In terms of the crypto space, I personally took two months to learn the importance of operating in the right manner, and it was through adapting that I was able to save myself from potential losses. I am grateful for the expertise of John Joseph in this area.

[@user-dl8gu3kq3k]

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[@lozanocorona8448]

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[@kephero3936]

Can someone please analyse their speech patterns, especially sentence construction. I want to not just learn their compelling views but also be able to articulate as they have

[@kermit4967]

same

[@benheaton4486]

They should have unionized against the moderator

[@that1guy246]

Police unions are the reason corrupt officers always get paid leave and rarely fired.

[@MrJerry-cq3ue]

Maybe he is mad because the 30 seconds he mentioned are not relevant? I did not notice nothing related to that

[@kgr6438]

MrIHadToDoIt a good example of why not all unions are good. In this example, it gives undue to power to police, who are not working class. Their relationship to economic production is enforcement of the laws instituted by the ruling class (private capital). Unions are beneficial for the working class to collectively bargain, aka to have any chance at bargaining at all instead of simply being fired for asking for more equality. The purpose of the police union is to shield cops from the consequences of their unlawful behavior, which is disproportionately used to afflict the working class

[@davesvens8697]

Yes, thank you.

[@NateB]

Bah! Socialism! They should have simply outcompeted him in the marketplace.

[@barrystamour7557]

Best line of this debate, "Don't let school get in the way of your education."

[@katalinas9264]

- Mark Twain.

[@KOS762]

Lol, everyone is a moron here.

[@dirtydingusmcgee8926]

@@katalinas9264 love Mark Twain

[@katalinas9264]

@@dirtydingusmcgee8926 ditto

[@brianmacker1288]

I haven't let school get in the way of my education, and I have learned that socialism is one of the most vile ideologies on the planet. It is responsible for the murder of over 100,000,000 million innocent people,and has oppressed billions.

[@nasirmahmood7799]

very aggressive both gentle folks -- heard a lot of intriguing change of comments between both speakers. which is awesome for me that they stood on the same floor for a while

[@ianrager4]

Isn't what Wolf described of democratizing the work places as Syndicalism?

[@oh-no-its-clara7574]

"and if you've read the financial times, you'd know we're waiting for the next crisis, maybe next year, or the year after" covid: you called?

[@ExPwner]

Covid didn't cause this. Government did. All of the socialist morons trying to say that this validates their ideology are idiots, through and through. For centuries capitalists have told people that government meddling in the economy causes problems and crashes. Yet in 1929, 2008 and now 2020 it's surprised Pikachu meme, as if their ideas weren't causing the problem.

[@michaelmappin1830]

@@ExPwner , I guess the government in the United States must be extremely incompetent. look at China. That's where the virus originated and yet they only have a handful of cases. The United States, on the other hand, they have only 4% of the world's population but over 25% of the covid cases and deaths.

[@ExPwner]

@@michaelmappin1830 it is extremely incompetent, and that's why we should end it and instead have a capitalist approach to things like this. In the US, leaving it up to government meant that governors were ordering sick, COVID positive patients into nursing homes with the elderly who as we even knew then are the most vulnerable. It was also the FDA and other regulatory agencies which were slowing down the shipment of masks when people could have used them the most. Capitalist enterprises were ready to ship them but government got in the way. Then you also have governors shutting down the entire state when the best case for any shutdowns are in the biggest cities and NOT the entire state. I'm in one such lockdown state, and we've seen very little of this virus yet more problems from lockdowns than the virus itself.

[@infinite2679]

@@ExPwner He mentioned China to highlight your government in generality argument moot. It is that you live under a CAPITALIST owned government that doesn't give a fuck about you and is also incompetent, in particular the most recent administration of Trump.

[@katherinemorelle7115]

Except the financial crash was already being telegraphed well before we o ew covid even existed. If you go back to last year, half way through last year, to channels like Re Education and Beau of the Fifth Column, they break it down in a way that laypeople can understand- using the evidence provided by expert economists. But they warned of the coming downturn, and what regular people could do to prepare for it. So the crash was forecast well before covid. Covid incited it, perhaps a month or two before it would have happened, and it certainly made it worse than it otherwise would have been. But it would have happened anyway.

[@NSO82]

I've never seen a man debate himself before.

[@Liveitlarge247]

Masdebation

[@SteveJobzz]

@@Liveitlarge247 Motion to make that a new word.

[@eastlondonhustler]

@@Liveitlarge247 Mass Debate

[@valiyapurakkalNarayanankutty]

@@SteveJobzz seconded

[@mattg-xy8jr]

Liam H are you from Boston?

[@AverySmither]

what did the guy that yelled at the beginning say?

[@AjejeBrazorf330]

"we privatized profits and we socialized losses" ... as much as a capitalist supporter I can be, this quote hits differently...

[@willnitschke]

Who did that, though? The capitalists, or their opposites, the government?

[@skid1988]

Always hate when a moderator injects themselves into a debate to this extent

[@awrproductions191]

Agree!

[@briagasfam.bacacay758]

same here!!! if he wanted to ask he must cue up!!! 😡😡

[@AmanMishra-nj6hn]

You should have a look at debates in Indian News channel, where the moderator comes with his own agenda of spreading communal hatred. Specific suggestions: Arnab Goswami debates (News Channel: Republic India) Have a look at any of his debate and you'll know the sorry state of Indian news media.

[@radthadd]

@Bob G most commies do

[@Steve_305]

He's the instigator

[@ScarabStarfighter]

This is way more formal and properly conducted than last year's presidential debate.

[@sshadyh]

of course, because these guys are competing for a position

[@David-kx7tz]

crazy how unintelligent our candidates for president typically are

[@diallo1347]

That's because these two are fundamentally different in philosophy were as Dems and Republicans are essentially identical save a few social positions.

[@Perykvaal]

That debate was kind of a low bar, I think. ;)

[@Afrobriit]

We should stop with the whole politicians business it's a joke.

[@Linda-wo4zr]

Oh ya I forgot to say people would go into what is like a library and order what they needed or wanted.

[@mohammedsheriff5821]

❤❤❤❤❤ Let me appreciate you guys for the time, and the best of luck in advance. 🙏🙏🙏

[@SherrylLyn57]

Moderator makes fun of audience member's appearance. Juvenile and insulting behavior meant to intimidate and demean.

[@melvinklark4088]

The fuck

[@yolo-vl4wz]

right? very inappropriate

[@Francisco-we8yj]

What should you care if it is meant to intimidate and demean, ultimately it is your own choice if you choose to let those words resonate within you or not.

[@callidusvulpes5556]

I think it was meant to be funny rather than demeaning. It was definitely in poor taste and insulting/demeaning even if that wasn’t the intent though. This moderator is terrible.

[@gamer-ff6mh]

Lol yeah. He is typical of certain type of libertarians.. Did you see his dressing sense. He literally wears that jacket to each interview. A certain type of libertarians are just immature people.

[@waylaidsavant]

Don’t let school get in the way of your education

[@grammagranski8095]

Was it Mark Twain who said that?

[@jkjkhoyolula]

@@grammagranski8095 obviously

[@michaeljosephjackson2364]

@@faressalih7253 to be honest u dont need to go to school to learn capitalism it needs experience and ambition

[@trewebster3602]

Growing up in the 90 definitely didn’t learn about untill deep in my 30’s and yes that is sad.

[@trewebster3602]

@@michaeljosephjackson2364 It would be nice especially being blk and not knowing how the world wrks.

[@chrisogonas]

Incredible debate!

[@bruceweaver1518]

This forum is the foundation of liberty itself. We now have two different sides of a very important issue. One of the things I grew up with was that Communism was evil, but no one ever explained to me what Communism actually was. I had to find out myself. When I took an Economics course. The Iranian teacher who was not even a professor said he would give me an A+ if I did a paper on the greatness of Socialism. I thought if I had the time I would take him up on that.

[@alexagold3610]

So you’re telling me they aren’t the same person

[@Jeiss_V]

they are both so adorable I'm sorry haha

[@jillianelise5]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@conspiracylibrary2848]

It wasn't really live. The same actor played both characters. Have you seen the parent trap? Its like that. You're welcome.

[@Azerath2]

"in the age of the internet, dont let school get in the way of your education."

[@Azerath2]

professor wolf absolutely won and destroyed his opponent in this debate, but that quote from his opponent here is very telling.

[@ExPwner]

@@Azerath2 no he didn't you dumbass. He lost the debate in every way. He lost the vote count and he didn't have one coherent argument. He lied the whole way through. Attributing war to capitalism, making bogus claims about wages and poverty....all lies.

[@michaelmappin1830]

@@Azerath2 , not only did Epstein not have a valid counterargument, he ended up agreeing with wolf most of the time. How can anyone in their right mind argue against workers owning and controlling their own labour and resources? Obviously worker cooperatives keep more wealth and control with the communities and the workers. That means greater purchasing power for the community. It makes communities less dependant on government and billionaire corporations when it comes to jobs and consumer goods. The workers are doing their own work rather than someone else's.

[@twielajones384]

@@ExPwner that vote was from right winged people. Stop calling people dumb. unless you're looking in the MIRROR

[@ExPwner]

@Me Super not an argument, fucktard.

[@egomaniac7230]

The moderator is insufferable! What made him think making stupid immature remarks was appropriate?

[@kylemenos]

the reason is they know each other and it may seem insufferable to you but to them its batter. like you talking to a friend where you call him a dick and he says stfu you lost ten dollars last week on a match a child could have won. people these days are too sensitive.

[@egomaniac7230]

@@kylemenos I don't think these extremely well known philosophers know a random college bloke that deeply to be buddies. A moderator shouldn't try to constantly insert his ego into something that has nothing to do with him. He was even told indirectly to stop by one of the audience for his immature and stupid joke. Perhaps try to be more observant of social interactions? Get the fuck out with your "People are too sensitive these days" dog whistle.

[@liquidificadoroficial3975]

One problem that philosophers have a lot is the total disagreement with generalized ideias that they don't like

[@holly1528]

"This moderator was terrible" Capitalist bootlickers 🤝 Socialists

[@Htiy]

Lmfao I love how I know what meme you’re referring to

[@inkryption3386]

@@Htiy Memes transcend language.

[@gunnarkarlolafsson6195]

He was absolutely horrible. I was screaming at the screen “shut the fuck up”z

[@realhuman5119]

The fucking moderator asked a question

[@jinshunlin7656]

A person that sounds like Bernie Sanders vs a person that looks like Bernie Sanders.

[@gaius2444]

Either way you lean on this issue, there’s no Reason to have Nick Gillespie moderate another debate ever again.

[@Turnyourtruth42]

Such a straw man

[@thezpn]

Yeah, the first audience question was very poorly mishandled. He also didn't structure the debate as he outlined at the beginning with statements, rebuttal, and then Moderator Questions. I think he just got too antsy and rushed into the audience questions

[@Bolizen]

@jamee boss Capitalism: you made these chips but I own the chip brand so I take 90% of your labour

[@GrimSleepy]

@@Bolizen +Uncle Sam = I need YOU! To give up 25% of your income! Municipality + State take 10% Down to 6.5% of the profit for the product made 100% by you. Now, depending where you live, you must spend some on the side, to spend any on goods.

[@youarereadingmyusername3070]

@@Bolizen Capitalism: the worker chooses which company to go and make chips. If he doesn't like the boss he can leave at any time. Socialism: everybody is forced to make chips and give it away to be distributed

[@BroFest89]

18:17 I wonder if he says "Swell Foop" often? haha I hope he does.

[@chad3358]

Like most things that are the extreme opposites at the ends of a scale the answer and best solution is probably somewhere in the middle.

[@nugget7865]

Moderator's more interested in being funny than being good at his job.

[@grantmalone]

Agree. Pretending to be all about keeping things on schedule while wasting time throughout with his distracting smarmy comments. Needs to learn to check his ego at the door, and that he's not as funny or charismatic as he thinks he is. Remarkably stupid comment about Bernie Sanders too which led to another big waste of time. Worst kind of moderator.

[@InnerMittenSignal]

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[@ExPwner]

@MajorLeague yep. Socialism sucks ass and always has.

[@jamez3875]

@@ExPwner ??? lmao USA is a mixed economy that embodies socialism...

[@ExPwner]

@@jamez3875 wat?

[@jamiewoods4782]

It was good to hear a debate about capitalism vs socialism without having a broadcaster pushing their agenda, and also seeing the two people debating let each other talk. Very interesting!

[@mr12aT]

It was good, and the Capitalism’s argument was full of strawmaning. For example, the hypothetical about a socialist party winning the majority of votes of the ballot box, then introducing full blown socialism overnight. However, Socialism’s argument included the history of the process of Capitalism, it was not an overnight change from Faudism but a centuries long process. Just logically, that’s exactly how most ideas come to fruition. So it’s a bit of a strawman argument from Capitalism, which raises questions about integrity and trustworthiness.

[@pElisei]

@@mr12aT This debate was about socialism vs capitalism. But all that wolff was arguing was about why capitalism is so bad, that it is unstable, that and that. He never once presented the benefits of socialism. The capitalism guy literally said capitalism is not perfect and he listed the disadvantages, he said we should be careful with capitalism, and also talked about the benefits. Wolf never one talked about the benefits of socialism only why capitalism is bad. He did not talk about the disadvantages of socialism. If someone tries to sell me a car and all he does is criticizing my current car, without talking about the the functionality of the new car,. I know he talks bullshit and he knows that too, and is just trying to con me. I never trust people that only talk about the disadvantages of the product, system, person, that they don't like without actually talking about what he is offering. I honestly have no idea what kind of system wolff offers, i only know what kind of system he hates and that is not what this debate was about.

[@noneone8726]

​@@pElisei Taxation, for any purpose, is literally theft via extortion. On the other hand, it is a myth that capitalism is a meritocracy. They are both completely wrong. Taxation is cannibalism. Capitalism is a grotesque game of musical chairs, in which 99 percent lose, then propaganda attempts to get them to blame themselves. Socialism is parasitism, plain and simple. It works until you run out of victims to tax. socialist propaganda encourages the cannibals to murder and gorge, until there are no more John Galts to murder.

[@pElisei]

@@noneone8726 There has to be a balance. A pure capitalist system leads to monopolies a pure socialist system leads to dictatorship. The best economies have the freest markets... look at singapore, switzerland, sweden and all nordic countries. Their markets are highest freedom of economy index, no minimum wage. Singapore has 0% tax and has one of the best economies. It has to be a balance. There has to be regulations and i think Unions are important to keep in check companies I only posted my comment on the video because i was really pissed that all wolff did was criticize capitalism. He did not even talk about socialism. Only spout anti capitalist propaganda.

[@ExPwner]

There was no straw man from Gene and capitalism does NOT lead to monopoly. My God, it’s always dumbass talking points.

[@distorq]

I really wonder what that heckler had to say at 14:20

[@blacksmeim8791]

I mean, he just yelled: "Stop yapping!"

[@alextrifu3377]

I'm disappointed in how little views this debates have compared to some bullshit podcast in wich for example Kat Williams talks shit about other people...

[@vadudsafa]

"Two young men in the prime of their lives". There is a poem in Persian which says: "توانا بود هرکه دانا بود، ز دانش دل پیر برنا بود", meaning, "Mighty is he who has knowledge; from knowledge the old heart becomes young."

[@yteuropehdgaming9633]

Not just the heart, but the mind as well.

[@NeostormXLMAX]

i thought it was a mistake at first. lol

[@KrazyKaiser]

Beautiful, thanks for sharing that!

[@shaniakh2205]

ولی حقیقتا بعضی وقتا ز دانش دل برنا پیر بُود ! هرچی بیشتر از اتفاقای کثیفی که تو این دنیا داره میفته میفهمی بیشتر زجر میکشی و این کافیه تا تو اوج جوونی پیرت کنه.

[@erin1569]

It's great! I have always wonder how many things we're missing by ignoring foreign authors.

[@darianbear5400]

“Please keep your questions short” “Hello, allow me to explain my whole life story”

[@dododolo1583]

"Just one question please" "Okay here are my questions"

[@jamshaqtv3039]

"Dark humour is like health care, not everyone gets it" - USA kzbin.info/www/bejne/mHateH9uoKmdmZI Watching this on the most capitalistic medium ever.

[@theamericanspirit8590]

@@jamshaqtv3039 awesome

[@yasseralsaidi1168]

There is not any budget that is properly managed if thats what you want to know ?

[@DaDestroyer1986]

Literally every action and inaction creates an infinite number of externalities.

[@joshbobst1629]

Yeah, but do they all poison us?

[@MugRuith]

Why are there so many debates with awesome guests and terrible moderators?

[@TheDude1776]

That's when you know it's a controlled debate with bias.

[@LuisPereira-bn8jq]

Well, one awesome guest. The other one is nearly senile.

[@youtuber6185]

Everyone knows that moderators so it does the control and perceived power not the money. It’s a mindset.

[@just83542]

Because a debaters job is to make themselves and their positions look better. A moderators job is not to make themselves look good, but to challenge the debaters to be understood, which both supporters of either side can agree to dislike because a challenge feels like an attack to a partisan.

[@Johnconno]

Fear.

[@soyboylegends7832]

Why can't debates be like this. Well informed and civil. Not teenagers yelling at eachother on tiktok.

[@odin-fr9et]

It wouldent be entertaining in my humble opinion .Part of politics is the theatrics, its how people some times get engaged in the moment.

[@Acoto]

How dare you age-shame teenagers, with their vast wisdom and lived-experiences! Alert twitter and the media, you must be cancelled immediately.😆

[@choblgobblrr1074]

Why you even expect anything super productive out of teenagers is beyond me. But what also eludes me, is why you don’t acknowledge that these old souls were, at some point, those young teenagers. We all start somewhere. I don’t think you should expect much out of tiktok debaters, but also don’t shame them. They’ll mature eventually.

[@kallioperobling3359]

I wouldn't know. I'm not stupid enough to watch tiktok. I believe these men are considered experts in their subject. Kids on tiktok are just mimicking what they heard in class that day from the cool teacher.

[@Acoto]

@@kallioperobling3359 Unfortunately we live in a world where people make content on other people's content, so you occasionally see ticktok post reposted on youtube.

[@lilianaspataro2794]

world would be so much better if politicians actually debated and didnt just call each other names

[@DavidDouglasToth]

That first question? Wow 🤦‍♂️

[@jaayro]

"If it's too difficult for you to hear me out, then it's a sign that I'm getting to you." Legendary.

[@thejackbancroft7336]

Any idea what the bloke yelled out?

[@titantron5840]

"Stop complaining"

[@titantron5840]

Sorry, he said "stop whining" I don't understand the other part.

[@andreylebedenko1260]

So true, so sad.

[@melxdan]

@@titantron5840 his mind will never change unfortunately

[@giovannib27]

What I learned from this: All socialists look like Bernie Sanders.

[@rockstarskolas]

Thomas Sankara, a black man: *visible confusion*

[@RuthlessCrawdad]

@@rockstarskolas it is simply called... a joke

[@liampremo6798]

Too bad bernie isnt one😅

[@jb8785]

@@liampremo6798 then what is he

[@user-gx3cf2ot2q]

@@jb8785 simply a social democrat. For all the fear mongering that he would end capitalism... He would actually preserve/save it. The same way fdr did.

[@mouinemhb4960]

10:55 isn't tht because of keynsian economics i mean shouldnt he advocate for austrian economics and not socialism? BTW didn't watch the whole thing so maybe he addressed that later on

[@ExPwner]

He never did. He just mindlessly blames capitalism and never gave any argument. Wolff doesn’t know economics.

[@rod_-0918]

@@ExPwnerbest comment!

[@MysticYT925]

No, Austrian economics are built on a presupposition that free markets will inherently fix all of the problems wrong with capitalism. Wolff attributes capitalisms problems to itself, he has demonstrated before how capitalism, even in a free market, would eat itself alive. Austrian economics are a joke because they fundamentally don’t believe in scientific rigor or study.

[@apetitelife2022]

Need more such debates 😊

[@lunetelalune2783]

The host is savage: "Get to the point. We don't care where you're from-- we're all strangers here."

[@frodom2005]

total savage introducing them as young men too 😂

[@hugorezende199]

"Are there any womem in the audience wanting to make questions? Would be nice. "Oh, you gotta a man bun, thats close." Hahahahah he was having his time.

[@ifwecouldvote]

He also said "I'm going to be a Nazi" just before the first question from the audience, which was from a German kid. He's a classy fellow indeed!

[@skysheep747]

@@hugorezende199 I didn't like that first part, as if women couldn't speak for themselves. Are those women being suppressed from speaking? Or is that women are expect to have a varying opinion?

[@timc1604]

@@skysheep747 I think the audience was heavily male. This debate was sponsored by Reason Magazine, a right wing free market Libertarian organization. That kind of libertarian (as opposed to a left libertarian like Noam Chomsky) is heavily white male. Not all of course and I imagine the moderator was hoping to find some exceptions.

[@Dalpidar]

“Two YOUNG men in the prime of their lives” laying it on thick with the roast buddy gotdaammnnnn

[@ChaoticNeutralAnimation]

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[@seemlyme]

🏠 Stupid people System is the problem 🏡 Our Life should be around these Great Qualities..... 1, Show all living creatures; all the love and kindness as much as you can. 2, Only try to be honest with yourself. If you try to be honest with others, you will get into big trouble soon or later. 3, Aim only one target at a time; otherwise you are chasing two rabbits and you will miss both. So, the reason behind it. Have one powerful reason and never ever give up the one you want the most. 4, Don't try to be good person only but be the powerful person. We will grow to be the one or we will die. There is no other choice. 5, Always learn and look for to improve something your life. 6, You are not alone. Love and faith the high power reduces unnecessary stress in life. But never completely rely on it. 7, Success and happiness are the byproducts of our usefulness. So, always increase the possibility of success. 8, Life is not going to be easy. Because of our unnecessary things. Eliminate all the unnecessary things as much as you can by organising yourself well with the environments. 9, Never believe anything without the proper evidences. 10, Always try to give more than you take. Because it is dignity/ character of the divinity within you. 🌎 As long as people continue to see themselves as separate from everything else, they lend themselves to being completely enslaved. Success depends on how well we relate to everything around us. Joy comes from that bliss of connectedness. I believe that unarmed truth and love will have the final word in reality. To love; you should have good heart. I am a good person until I see a person better than my standard of goodness. Being good is the progress towards a worthy cause. Love is God. Whoever lives in love, lives forever. How selfish it is to try to keep something forever? Love is all about nourishing, nurturing, sharing and expanding the love within you for all. The principle to which we adhere to is that we have kindness of love at heart for the whole of mankind. As long as there is the unnecessary differences within us; we can not live peacefully so we have to eliminate all the unnecessary differences among us so we can love all. People abilities may vary but not there true love. If we love a person/ God for a reason then we love the reason but not the person. No reason is the reason to love the person because true love never fails. So do not compare or measure the true love as first or the last but love all truly. If you love people truly then you can understand people. If you don't love then you don't understand people at all. People are controlled by system why? The Cyclical Consumption is the current economy all over the World. It is making the scarcity problems of the earth finite resources to deteriorate day by day. Current Monetary System is legalised theft. Real money is Gold and Silver. Scarcity gives the money more value. Real money won't lose it's value. When Governments stay away from Gold & Silver then very easy to transfer the wealth / resources to upper class the Rich (Corporatocracy) Elite. When the Governments are printing out more new fiat currency with reserve banks, our old currency is losing its purchasing power everyday. They are printing millions of currency everyday. All governments and laws are existing right now to transfer wealth to upper class the rich elite. The USA Government & other Governments are in many countries, bailed the investment banks & financial institutions in 2008 against the majority of the people. There is no democracy in any countries. Because of the Money System based on profits motive only above all else even humans lives and well-being. So, we do not have freedom to protect our values with the money so on. The violence, bankruptcy & all the negativities are build into the Monetary System of our society. All are owned (including ourselves) by Reserve Bank. Which is private cartel the corporation. So, in legal system, we are legally considered as chattel the properties. They make money in the capital markets with our birth certificates. They do not consider us as Humans. That's the truth. We are at the invisible war with the Elites (Corporatocracies). We have to fight for our Freedom. Resource Based Economy is the Solution. We have to declare the earth resources as the heritage of all the people of this world. So everyone has access to it. Please have your research about zeitgeist movement then you know the truth more. Truth About Health/Drugs Industry Because Of It Your Life At High Risk The drug industry is a 1/2 trillion dollars a year worldwide conglomerate. Almost 300 billions dollars just in North America. That is really big business. What would happen if everyone were well? There is no money in health. You see, good health makes a lot of sense but it doesn't make a lot of dollars. Because everything they do is toxic. Every drug they use, prescription drugs, all drugs are liver toxic, bar none. If you've had amalgam fillings put in your mouth by dentists. It is highly toxic. There's cancer because most of the chemos are themselves carcinogens. To view the tumor as the cancer and we know the tumor is not the cancer. The cancer industry is 200 billions dollars a year. The more work they get, the more profit there is. You have to dismantle; If the truth ever came out about what we would need to do. 30% of people of females in America are at risk of getting, will get cancer of the breast. The ones that are already dead have been grossly mistreated by the medical profession and by the government that supposedly is supposed to encourage free research and development of all possibilities. Why would medical doctors who studied medicine and practice medicine and are heavily funded by pharmaceutical companies why would they go and look into vitamins? That they never had the answer orthomolecular. And as more and more of our population start taking their health into their own hands, there's going to be even more and more of changes. It can't go on the way it is. The system is failing apart. We must make nutrition the primary prevention strategy for the population. You are what you eat. You are everything that you have ever done to yourself. The choices you make directly affect the outcome of your life. - (Food Matters Documentary in Netflix) 😊 Well, I truly love God. I am not religious but very spiritual person. So, I believe 1) Religion is the beliefs in someone experiences But spirituality is having my own experiences. The mainstream religions people promote religious ideology by giving guidelines and guide but In my spiritual life; I do not want anyone or anything between God and me to restrict my freedom to worship God. 2) We do not need any authorities to do good work. The god work is the good work always. In contrast; organised mainstream religions are claiming that they have the authorities to do God works as leaders so on. 3) God is not capable of doing wrong thing, change the past for us and create anything out of nothing for us. Nothing means not anything. So, even God is limited. The mainstream religious people believe that God is unlimited. 4) God wants us to take responsibilities for our righteousness life but not for all the consequences of our actions because they are continued to exist among us. So, How can god punish us for all our consequences? The mainstream religious people believe we are full of sins because of all our actions. 5) Freewill is an illusion. People always choose the perceived path of greatest pleasure. So, we do not have choices all the time. In contrast teachings of the mainstream religions are promoting people to do god's will always because we all have choices of freewill always. 6) We can not separate everything into groups. So, everything for good and evil and there's no success and failure for everything. If everything is real then real things can not be threatened. Once you come to understand that God/The Holy Spirit is in each of us, You will no longer need a Book to tell you how to live. Then why we need religious scriptures? The Virtue is the expression of the basic goodness in our actions. The Basic goodness is the fundamental worthiness of every individuals. We are worthy to God always in everything. 7) Beliefs in a cruel God makes a cruel man. No matter what; every living creatures has the right to live and What makes their life cheap? Everything depends on everything. Nothing too big or too small in value. We can not love and hate at the same time; Being a vegetarian means love without cruelty happily. The mainstream religious people are killing people and sacrificing animals in the name of God. They promote God's cruel punishments. The Punishment is endless for Sinners/Devil according to religious scriptures. But God is love always. Overcome hate with love. If all religions for peace, unity? No way. Because they are not for peace. 8) Well, The God gave us everything to go from moment to moment in our lives as we do our part and pray only to thank god then the Love is in progress. The Love is always for everyone. We are always worthy of the God's love. Our greatest fear is; not to be loved by anyone but we are all loved by someone. When we eliminate all our unnecessary differences among us then true peaceful life is possible with the true love. If we can't find the peace within ourselves then we will never find it anywhere else. 9) This is the Fight for independence and freedom of humanity to worship God freely without religious guide and guidelines to restrict us. Unnecessarily, We do not want third party controls over us in anything ; especially in spirituality. 10) Revive Survive Thrive. Sincerely, The Real Peacemaker against religious oppression. kzbin.info/www/bejne/fpPZdKuDm8h-rJY kzbin.info/www/bejne/pnqteX2webaWiK8 kzbin.info/www/bejne/g6rbk5ejdtN8mas kzbin.info/www/bejne/rX3dlpShgKhpnKc kzbin.info/www/bejne/hmnZeZRur6lqoLs

[@JaviEngineer]

@@seemlyme lol wack

[@seemlyme]

@@JaviEngineer 🌌🧘☝️First of all, Read all and talk with understanding. Believe in fiction but not facts. Know facts. Source of creation is God. Life is creation. All depend on each other. All are connected. We cannot separate anything from everything. Means all are different but the oneness. Love your love everyday as much as you can. Live very meaningful life of joys then automatically you will share your joys with others. What you expect to do to you for happiness then do to others so you feel usefulness and gratitude to all. Only time truly you are okay when you are okay with everything. It doesn’t mean everything will stay the same forever. Everything will change. You believe in Newtonian physics but not Albert Einstein. Only spacetime. now and here. No past and no future. Go near the speed of light or Go out of the earth in space near blackhole. Time slow down. No one knows everything. No one knows the ultimate truth of reality. One question leads to another question then that question leads to another question so forth. No true value of anything. There is no no true measurement of anything because all are changing. How to measure something against something when everything is changing continuously? God wants us to take responsibilities for our righteousness life but not for all the consequences of our actions because they are continued to exist among us. So, How can god punish us for all our consequences? The mainstream religious people believe we are full of sins because of all our actions. Freewill is an illusion. People always choose the perceived path of greatest pleasure. So, we do not have choices all the time. In contrast teachings of the mainstream religions are promoting people to do god's will always because we all have choices of freewill always. Meditate and /or have sensory isolation experience to aware of who you are. You are not accumulated stuff. Just be aware of what is focusing now? Whatever you call “my” my nose , my legs etc.., not you. War for Resources inevitable. Over Consumptions of finite resources of earth deteriorate the earth🌍🥀day by day. No access to electricity and clean water by billions of people right now. No one is going to come above and save us. Wake up to the truth and wake up the rest. Unity of feel of oneness / Resource based economy is the solution. Check this out instagram.com/loveisdecision/ www.audible.com.au/pd/The-Complete-Conversations-with-God-Audiobook/B07HB6YX4K kzbin.info/www/bejne/hmnZeZRur6lqoLs kzbin.info/www/bejne/fpPZdKuDm8h-rJY kzbin.info/www/bejne/pnqteX2webaWiK8 kzbin.info/www/bejne/g6rbk5ejdtN8mas kzbin.info/www/bejne/rX3dlpShgKhpnKc All are now kzbin.info/www/bejne/hmmoc6qMbrqWqqs Life and rocks are totally intertwined through billions of years of earth history kzbin.info/www/bejne/rqrLi5Z7jpqDebM Source of creation kzbin.info/www/bejne/mpqto6WXhLF5a80 Religious/ Political Oppression kzbin.info/www/bejne/hZTNn4CMgreWndE kzbin.info/www/bejne/aZqudXSeg8SbopY kzbin.info/www/bejne/j2TbkqdjpJlrbLM Men oppression kzbin.info/www/bejne/rX3dlpShgKhpnKc

[@mek0411]

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[@MichaelAbraham-qy9py]

Another falsehood. Henry Ford introduced the $5/day & 40 hour workweek in the 1920s. He had wanted to introduce it earlier, but was delayed by WWI. He did so because Ford studies noted more manufacturing errors & on the job accidents The UAW didn’t organize at Ford until the 1950´s

[@Edkahmed]

My three personalities infighting at 3am

[@pimpfajita8888]

Lol Same. My mind is always at a state of internal brain war when it comes to economics

[@BoatwithSoph]

@Think Before You Type they’re running on oil money...

[@bercemercin2128]

I laughed so hard.

[@daniel-panek]

The current system we have is total shit. It's a fantasy that deregulation will "fix" Capitalism. We knows exactly when you let the reins off of corporations, they screw everyone over. We need a good balance. Socialize healthcare and have some basic human services. Help ensure workers rights. If you're saying that a company can't manage to run successfully in a society where people have socialized services and reasonable rights, then they deserve to fail. There will be plenty others who will be able to manage it. I'll say it again, anyone who thinks that we should let wealthy private companies and individuals run this country (which they already do) unrestrained is living in a fantasy if they believe that it'll magically fix everything.

[@ExPwner]

@Think Before You Type Second Thought is communist propaganda.

[@ColeMoleson]

Destiny got destroyed in this debate

[@culturalcatholic4235]

Vaush got destroyed in this debate.

[@ColeMoleson]

cultural catholic bruh

[@user-dq7cc3ju1w]

Dr Ninja JF got divorced in this debate

[@AmateurContendr]

Please tell me you're being ironic with that choice of words.

[@noahscheffey5636]

@@AmateurContendr It's a meme

[@AstronomicalAviation]

This debate goes up with some of the greatest of all time, like the Lincoln-Douglas debates which preceded the American civil war. Abraham Lincoln and Stephen Douglas were very close friends despite having opposite ideologies surrounding slavery, and were respectful of one another even while debating. Incredibly, though he would die only two months later, Douglas would switch his affiliations in favor of the Union as a result of the United States Army surrender at Fort Sumter. Now allies with his former opponent, Douglas even suggested privately to Lincoln that instead of sending 75,000 Union troops to suppress the Confederate Army, he send 200,000, saying "You do not know the dishonest purposes of these men as I do." Douglas would spend the short remainder of his life rallying support for his former opponent.

[@ltsgobrando]

1:01:26 I AGREE!!! If we ignore the starvation/death statistics they go away !

[@Ravidist]

"If it's too difficult to hear me out, it's a sign that I'm getting to you." Ouch, professor.

[@culturalcatholic4235]

Whoa, rhetorical skill!

[@BOOMProductionsVIDs]

What did the guy say?

[@shannon3944]

Wolffe don't play!! 👍♥️🤣😂🤣

[@pablopicado156]

@@BOOMProductionsVIDs "stop whining"

[@the13rook]

Sounded like the dude just wanted to get kicked out. Because I would've laughed at his dumbass while kicking him out

[@CyoNNProductions]

Moderator was so rude and honestly useless in this debate looked like he didn’t even want to be there

[@smh8519]

I think I actually heard him exhaling loud as shit a bunch of times, definitely didn't wanna be there

[@ViaMirage]

The moderator decided to channel a poor man’s Tony Montana from Scarface. 😂🤦🏼‍♀️ 🗣🗣