EU officially bans combustion-engine cars in 2035 - Toyota cries

[@rogerfroud300]

Every single Legacy car maker is in dire trouble, because every BEV startup begins without the millstone of obsolete designs, factories and debt. Car makers have been struggling for decades to make any money, so how are they going to raise yet more capital unless they've already committed to an aggressive BEV program with a substantial battery supply chain in place already? it's simply too late for them. They all thought that Tesla would fail and they could keep doing what they've always done. That miscalculation has cost them their future, and they will never be the same force that they once were. The names may live on, but they're likely to be branded Chinese vehicles.

[@DetroitMicroSound]

Tesla Ignores 100 years of industry standards that are proven in the field, In the entire rest of every vehicle they make, beside the electrification. Thousands of complaints from Tesla owners, are not just nitpicking about a plethora of problems. Brand-new cars arrive with parts falling off, and mismatched paint. Just search "Tesla issues" on KZbin. thousands of videos, demonstrating all the problems. Where is the QC?????? Also, nothing like having to wait for the rear passenger to get in, before the front passenger can.....🤣

[@ThalanorThornhale]

@@DetroitMicroSound, going with KZbin videos can be illustrative of issues encountered with Teslas. But to see the overall trend one should look to reliability numbers reported by ADAC, AAA, Consumer Reports or better yet NHST.

[@DetroitMicroSound]

@@ThalanorThornhale Look up an average middle of the road priced car, by most makers, on KZbin. I guarantee, you'll find less complaints, with many of the worlds current fleet, by various large makers. .

[@patrickkelley6780]

Everyone is referring to the manufactures and no one is considering the electric grid. But- and it is a big 'but', if someone decides to challenge the status quo and develop an 'off the grid' home or system charging station, that will change alot of dynamics.

[@andrewsaint6581]

@@patrickkelley6780 you just described my favourite bit of Tesla. 👍

[@audience2]

They didn't need to ban them. The tipping point has already been crossed. Market forces will do it.

[@jonahbert111]

yes, banning things is what control freaks do.

[@Krunch2020]

There’s still a huge SUV and light truck problem in the USA. The Bubbas always vote against their own self interest.

[@brunosmith6925]

Very true... no laws or regulations can stop or influence the momentum now - particularly for Tesla and China. Legacy auto can't survive this - they left it far too late.

[@mreyesonthelies4386]

I would consider a short position against Toyota because of their negative reaction to the internal combustion engine ban. It sounds like they're not ready!

[@Lifecoach7Ra]

Definitely Toyota got arrogant with outdated hybrids and now already poor outdated electric vehicles. Design still from the past and absolutely no innovation of a company that big. Average personell is old already and young competent people missing because young Japanese are not very motivated by their (old) leaders.

[@wickedleeloopy2115]

They still use DVD 📀 players in Japan so they are a different breed 😆

[@PolineChan]

The problem with them is every ev they sell, they will sell that much less ICE cars. If they release an EV model better than ICE model, even their loyal customers will wait to buy it. Not only that they will not generate extra profit, the risk of bankruptcy is accelerated.

[@frankcoffey]

It may be a while before they are ready to short, demand for ICE cars is still there and with other automakers dropping out of that market Toyota may have all of it at some point. But long term it doesn't look good. You know you're in trouble when you are the one trying to hold back progress.

[@VenturiLife]

Toyota had this hydrogen fantasy going on, it makes no sense.

[@xeraoh]

This should be illegal to make a “EU Ban” rule without asking the people. Anybody ever voted about to ban the combustion engine? No! Eu bureaucrats can go to hell really.

[@Species-lj8wh]

This may not actually work, Seeing how the EU may not be around by 2035.

[@skywave12]

Having 1/3rd of the energy in a barrel of oil used to crack the other 2/3rds is something many do not know about. Then only 30% after internal combustion chemical explosion is sent to the wheels. This is one reason refineries are being suppressed. It is the future to move electrons by wires instead of a chemical distribution network at a pump. We will have a need for fossil fuels agriculture, making tires, etc. but they need to be curbed regarding short travel vehicles.

[@nickkacures2304]

We are just at the beginning of the all electric economy it took us less than twenty years to go from horse and buggy to all internal combustion engine vehicles and the electric vehicle revolution started ten years ago so buckle up the next 5 years will see explosive growth in electric vehicles of all kinds

[@theknifedude1881]

I’ve had two Ram/Cummins One Ton(US ton, 2,000#). I hauled/delivered boats all over the US. Got 11-13 mpg pulling a 50’ gooseneck trailer. I think I would like a hybrid/Cummins Power Plant if I was going to be doing the same kind of driving. But since I’m retired…I’m on the Cybertruck reservation list 300,000+-.

[@DrDefore]

There no car or truck that can do everything efficiently.. always get the right tool for the job … and then you can always rent

[@tobytroubs]

Yeah , great.....where's the charging network ?...we've got no end of speeding cameras everywhere , barely any charging stations that either work or are available . Sticking to my ' normal ' car until I see that change

[@tarun1982]

being squeezed from 3 sides now... 1) Tesla 2) Chinese EV makers 3) the new ICE ban

[@MrSec84]

Indian car makers are going to become the 4th, by the looks of it. Some affordable, seemingly good quality EVs are going to be produced from Indian brands too.

[@tobytroubs]

...and lack of charging structure

[@MarksElectricLife]

Hybrid - a snail on crutches Plug-in hybrid - a snail with a bicycle BEV - a guided missile

[@DrDefore]

A Tesla is not just a automobile with an electric motor and battery. It is a whole new form of transportation. My favorite new quote.. “A butteryfly is not faster caterpillar with wings”

[@eugeniustheodidactus8890]

Having driven to the jogging paths in my *Model Y* recently, _watching _*_KZbin + checking my portfolio_*_ while waiting for the rain to stop,_ I realized that this is why we choose Tesla over all the others. It's about the tech not to mention that its a great car to drive.

[@JasonEDragon]

While the Tesla products are very good, I am no longer willing to say the same about Elon Musk. And as someone who lives an hour away from an urban area I've mostly worked remote for the past 15 years. I didn't appreciate his comments that remote workers pretend to work. So, I doubt that I'd ever be able to get or want a job at one of his companies. Why would I want to spend my money to buy one of his products and support a business where I wouldn't want to work? I'd rather buy a vehicle that was good enough and was made by a different company.

[@cherrytrainingltd]

Elon Musk maybe spontaneous and wild with his comments but the man has achieved a vast amount in his career, from digital map software to finance, to transportation and AI. I’m able to strip the individual from what I am purchasing (Model Y owner here) in Elon’s case. If you told me Donald Trump owned the company, I may react different.

[@gregkramer5588]

The Elon factor will hurt sales in the US for sure. The other problem is that other than having a very good drivetrain for the time the rest of the vehicle is not above average in most areas. When I see a PE ratio for Tesla over 10x the industry average I would take my profits and move on. They would have to be 10x their current size in 10 years to justify the price. There is a lot of risk that 10x is too big a goal and the 5x may be closer to reality.

[@eugeniustheodidactus8890]

@@gregkramer5588 You obviously have much more homework to do.

[@eugeniustheodidactus8890]

@@JasonEDragon good luck finding that vehicle that is "good enough"

[@alileevil]

The EU is single handle killing off its automotive sector with this move. Electric cars are all similar and use similar components. There is nothing really differentiating them.

[@FlyingArtz.]

I think it’s foolish to ban the ICE engine. Incentives for EV’s yes, but banning a technology doesn’t make sense.

[@mikafiltenborg2291]

Banning pollution=god😊👍 ICE=🚗🚬☁️☁️😷 (nobody want to buy a ICE car after 2025 when a EV cost less) 😉

[@acemanfrog]

Being a former adjunct professor on The Toyota Production System, over the past 3 decades I've watched this amazing company devolve into something I never thought possible. Formerly, Toyota was known for it's long-term planning prowess... no longer is this the case as their Hydrogen bet is losing before our eyes. Tesla's vertical integration strategy, coupled with is current mkt position makes it the most disruptive TaaS endeavor yet... Buy TSLA!

[@DetroitMicroSound]

Toyota has more engineers, than Tesla has in total employees. And a city named for itself, with a population of half a million. It is also backed by the the government of the second richest country in the world. When Toyota decides to do something, it's capable of doing it, nearly over-night. History has already proven that out.

[@brunosmith6925]

So true Jim... I started driving cars in 1971 and owned five Toyotas over the last 50 years. Great cars - reliable, tough, confortable and safe. They are still very good - but the ICE age is ending rapidly. Toyota will go the way Nokia went in the cellphone market - blind arrogance and a refusal to see the writing on the wall. It's a pity - this was once an innovative engineering organisation who will be remembered fondly when the only place we see Toyotas will be in museums and scrap yards.

[@unclej3910]

@@brunosmith6925 I GUESS MY 2022 Toyota RAV 4 Hybrid will be in a museum. Darn. 😢

[@brunosmith6925]

@@unclej3910 Maybe not your's in a museum, but within a year or two you'll not be able to sell it, or trade it in. Best you can hope for at that point is to have someone take it away at no charge for scrap metal. The market for hybrid is in rapid decline and the decline is acellerating. Most people will not be stupid enough to buy a hybrid, new or used, in 18 months time. The technology is already redundant - pure EV is the proven technology and its cost-curve is dropping (SEE TONY SEBA - RETHINKX) - whether that's Tesla or any other brand. You do have my most heart-felt sympathies, of course.

[@unclej3910]

@@brunosmith6925 I reserved a VW ID.4 a few days ago with the $100 initial deposit. Next step is to lock in the reservation with a $400 deposit. The $500 is fully refundable up to delivery to the dealer, so i have a few months to make a decision. I am also looking at the Hyundai IONIQ 5.

[@willeisinga2089]

In Groningen Netherlands so many Teslas on the Road. Tesla Tesla Tesla. And 200 Electric BYD Busses in Groningen everywhere. For years now. Not in the News. Its Normal.

[@shadowbug1811]

The is a HUGE step towards a cleaner and more quiet city life…I can just feel it!

[@bingbong3770]

Ms.autistic

[@jebes909090]

Its a huge step to economic collapse and a slave state.

[@Lifecoach7Ra]

@@oldbloke204 well, mobility is no democratic human right and people should only own a car, if they really need. Pollution especially in northern Italy must be ended to get some life quality back. Power especially locally independent has been politically blocked for to long. Otherwise we would have enough electricity. We already have enough for house and car, so we mostly charge at home or hotel reaching 500 km in a trip. Thanks to an EV6 AWD.

[@Lifecoach7Ra]

@@oldbloke204 so what are you asking? Free money for nothing and everything? New technologies are costly before ramping up. If you need a new iPhone go work for or buy when it‘s cheaper. We are not living in a fair world and me luckily not in Italy. What shall I say if they are even not competent enough to solve their political problems themselves? Is that my problem when they rather invest in Mafia than new power plants?

[@incognitotorpedo42]

@@oldbloke204 It costs me about a quarter of what an equivalent ICE would cost to fill up, and I live in a country with cheap petrol. Considering petrol prices in Europe, I find it very hard to believe that it would cost more to charge an EV than to fill up an ICE. Got a reference for that?

[@TheViewFromUpHere]

With EV sales increasing 1.6x year over year the trend is for EV sales to hit 100% by 2030 in the UK and EU.

[@tarun1982]

get ready to celebrate your 100k soon.. and congrats

[@electricviking]

Fingers crossed!

[@mikafiltenborg2291]

R. I. P. ⚰️🌹Toyota...

[@charlesmoss8119]

In the UK the shift to EV has a huge tax basis especially company cars where the tax is minimal - this has caused strange fluctuations in demand patterns but has boosted Tesla I think

[@paulharling7657]

No question the tax breaks and huge subsidies are aiding with EV adoption. That's not going to work when they are 50% of the market. Especially as petrol taxes dwindle. That's the elephant in the room. How will petrol tax revenue be replaced?

[@ISuperTed]

Yep - I only have my EV due to my company car scheme - way too expensive to buy myself yet. Hoping in 3 years time this changes.

[@sang3Eta]

Fuel duty + VAT is double taxation on ICE vehicles. Its like a 100%+ tax to make EVs look economical. It's all a tax illusion.

[@viking1au]

Sounds like Toyota have shot themselves in both feet.... Well, many have tried to 'tell them'.

[@mikafiltenborg2291]

Toyota bankrupt before 2030

[@Dwayne_the_Fitness_Guy]

Living in Canada I have discovered that Ford, GM, Kia etc... would easily have Massive demand in the millions of EVs but they have no cars to sell you!. I tried to order a GM Chevy bolt EVU and was told it's a 1-2 year waiting list, the rest of the cars are all similar except Tesla is a month or two. So the bottom line is that these automakers could sell millions of cars "if they wanted to" ... the but insiders say that they all want a slow ramp up here in North America to protect the established supply chains to maintain profits and not disrupt employment. 10's of millions of people are employed directly and in-directly in the ICE car production industry and the US, Can & Mexico are not ready to displace those profits and people into the unemployment lines. Those traditional automakers that offer EVs now could flip a switch anytime they want and have massive sales.

[@incognitotorpedo42]

I think you're on to something there, although I don't think they could just "flip a switch". The battery supply chain is not in place yet, but it is growing rapidly. There is massive investment happening now.

[@byddf]

EU bans fuel cars, but many places do not, including Thailand (its fuel-car ban plan is a joke, and many people are against it.) There are still many places for Toyota to alive in 2036.

[@ISuperTed]

That’s right but at a much smaller scale and with their debt they will have no chance of survival at that scale. Toyota need to change drastically - personally I hope they do I want to have choice in the car market.

[@rozonoemi9374]

I know first hand what you are talking about. I was 1 of the 400,000 reservation holder of Tesla M3 LR, RWD & like you said, did not know what the hell I was getting! Leap of Faith, which I don't regret even to this day!

[@trent_carter]

Me too. Well said. I loved mine so much I invested a very large amount of money into the company.

[@DetroitMicroSound]

@@trent_carter Yea, sure you did.

[@DetroitMicroSound]

No parts falling off, mismatched finishes, cobbled together, wonky looking stuff, weird noises, doors that the rear, or front passenger/driver have to wait to for eachother before front and rear occupants can get in, bright white interior that's beginning to become discolored, even though you're not a smoker, huh?

[@DASA12MC]

@@DetroitMicroSound despite all this... people love their Teslas. If you dont get this there is no help for you lol

[@rozonoemi9374]

@@DetroitMicroSound Your just jealous you can't afford 1. Just keep on buying & driving inferior vehicles!

[@peterp4753]

They will regret that decision when 2035 comes. Pretty sure they will change their mind.

[@mikafiltenborg2291]

Nobody want to buy a ICE car AFTER 2025, when a EV cost less!! And are more SAFE! 😊😊👍

[@sang3Eta]

VW ID.3 has 119g/km CO2 over it life even if its 100% green electricity you put in it. There are many ICE engines under 99g/km, it makes no sense to ban them.

[@malcolmrickarby2313]

@@sang3Eta makes sense to try to save the planet.🤔🌏

[@sang3Eta]

@@malcolmrickarby2313 LOL world not going to end due to 0.04% CO2 in the air. The plants and trees use it grow and release the oxygen back = Carbon Cycle. What's going on is we have no oil and the people who do think the price is too low. We are rationing energy to forestall a gold backed money system.

[@AM-wg7qv]

@@mikafiltenborg2291 You're delusional.

[@ISuperTed]

We have 1 EV and 1 ICE car (diesel) currently and I just had the misfortune to have to take the ICE car on a (shortish) trip today. It made me realise how poor an experience the ICE car is - slower, noisier, more expensive and just way more hassle to drive. You don’t realise until you own an EV how much better they are. I’ll have to hide the EV keys from my wife in the mornings! Can’t wait until ICE cars are off the roads for good.

[@incognitotorpedo42]

Tell me about it. When I drive an ICE now, it just seems so crude and clunky.

[@DrDefore]

My wife and I go through the same conversation… longer distance traveled wins the EV .. win,win

[@akmhidra23]

Well the problem is that there are not that many that have the money to buy an EV. In Romania most people can barley afford to buy a 10yr old 25000km 5000euro car to get around or make it to work.. And no there is no real life alternative in public transportation, unless you want to waist an extra 2 h every day. Hell i will like an EV but.. you need at minimum 30000euro that's my paycheck for next 3 yrs. How do you solve that?

[@1955geoff]

I hope you'll get your 100k subscribers soon, you deserve it! As always good info. Thank You!

[@electricviking]

Fingers crossed!

[@GeorgeZupster]

These is VERY misleading EU DID NOT ban combustion-engine cars for 2035, but EU banned sales of new cars that have combustion-engine for 2035, and these does not apply for trucks.

[@stephenlennox6491]

True. Also they will never ban trucks or airplanes.

[@koenraad4618]

Graphene batteries, in-wheel motors, EV world has just started. Not talking about ultra cheap hydrino power, ZPE conversion (the most advanced energy production conceivable), cold fusion, thorium power plants …

[@brunosmith6925]

You seem to be smoking something extremely strong. can I have some?

[@blue5peed]

Electric mobility was always going to win the day you don't need to legislate that. The product is better in every conceivable way. Maybe they will outlaw death next or legislate that sugar should be sweet. Laws like this undermine the government but that is just my opinion.

[@richardanderson9601]

Gas will be 25 cents a gallon again; I'm staying with my ICE car. Screw these EVs; it's just a phase or fad; it'll pass

[@jasongooden917]

Toyota needs to take the hydrogen stuff right out of the Murai and fill that space with batteries.

[@mutyabaivandavid103]

Absolutely love it

[@brendanpells912]

There will still be markets for ICE cars in Africa, South America and Asia after 2035. I'd say the chances of that 2035 date being pushed back is 90%, due to voter pressure. Politicians always like to collect brownie points today for policies they won't have to implement. EVs have 10 years to prove themselves. By then, prices have to be half what they are today, the EVs that are 10 years old by then (the ones being sold today) have to be selling for less than 20% of the new price and still have 80% range. Replacement batteries must be available for no more than 10% of new price. Charging infrastructure must be vastly improved. There has to be comprehensive recycling of EV batteries.

[@jebes909090]

Its NOT possible to replace ice vehicals in that timeline. Just the electrical infrastructure alone wont allow it, unless you love rolling blackouts and transformers exploding.

[@adamanthony7465]

May we counter this thought with a suggestion that the Brics nations...and those in the global south have large quantity of Solar Insolation...ripe for the drive toward electric .

[@brendanpells912]

@@jebes909090 The amount the UK government is spending on upgrading the electricity network is a fraction of what is required to meet demand from EV charging and phasing-out gas heating in homes (although they're rolling back on that one). At some point they will have to make a choice. Do we commit to spending all this money on upgrading the network which has to be paid for by raising taxes or cutting public services, or do we delay the ban on ICE cars until we do have the money to upgrade the network without making us unpopular with voters? Also factor in the loss of revenue from fossil fuel duty which somehow has to be transferred to EV drivers.

[@brendanpells912]

@@adamanthony7465 Have you looked at the per capita income of the citizens of those countries? Even in a rich country like the UK, only a wealthy minority can afford an EV.

[@adamanthony7465]

@@brendanpells912 Thank you...whilst understanding your thought I would add there are places where the average disposable income verges on only several Usdollar a day. It is a nation in Africa with mobile phone ownership above 100 per 100 citizens. This happened within a brief period and so exceeded mobile or cellular ownership across the developed world . Demography, financial modeling, underpinned by significant raw mineral wealth accelerates beyond conventional modelling. Can leasing follow Asian models in electric scooter...car ownership will deepen perhaps fastest in the South...😌

[@unclej3910]

Now I’m more confused than ever. My car is a 2022 Toyota RAV 4 Hybrid. I actually reserved a VW ID.4 a few days ago. I can wait until the VW is delivered in 2023 to make the final decision. Then either buy or get a refund of my deposit.

[@RichardPeterShon]

Lol. They will pull forward that deadline if there is one more energy crisis like the one we having this winter.

[@sang3Eta]

EVs are causing electricity prices to spike. People come home from work plug in their car and go make dinner. Energy grid has to price people off during peak to stop it collapsing.

[@Lifecoach7Ra]

The crisis is menmade by politics and energy lobby and Mafia. They blocked for more than 20 years any energy autonomy project e.g. better insulation of buildings combined with heat pump, solar and even hydrogen produced in-house with rather simple divices made from all available standard parts! So technically we need not better systems but we should delete all left and right incompetent POLITICIANS that only filled they pockets in good weather and are nowhere able to handle storm now professionally! To these CRIMINALS we ow now what they call energy crisis. However people get just the leaders they disserve!😂🤪

[@malcolmrickarby2313]

@@sang3Eta that is a software problem. Vehicle to grid at peaks and recharge during sleep time.

[@sang3Eta]

@@malcolmrickarby2313 Only a temporary solution you will get the same problem when everyone is charging while they sleep. Making everyone use EVs is a daft idea. Free markets and energy diversity are the solution.

[@mrdot1126]

the issue is with VW in Germany, that in Germany car making has a legacy, a legacy of good paying working class jobs... The German automotive industry employed a workforce of around 786,100 people in 2021. if every carmaker switches to all electric and they magically can achieve by you stated 70% automation.. thats at lest 550K people loosing their jobs... so its partly a social economical issue.. also German laws are fairly good at protecting the workforce, especially in case of mas layoffs, and the truth is, there is no way that you can offset 550K jobs to other industry's especially cos all the industry's that are close to car making also are under pressure to go electric, thus the conundrum...

[@bobmciver6437]

When we look out to 2035,the combination of aging global demographics + autonomous vehicles shifts the question from what brands are individuals buying to will individuals be buying at all?Looks like the companies who commit to fleet truck;service and taxi sales could be the giants of the near future as the allure of car ownership dims.

[@Timberstuff]

EU better work out how to generate power and recycle EV Batteries

[@chrismd00]

Easy. Renewables

[@juergenschoepf2885]

if all vehicles on the roads of Europe would be electric today the increase in power consumption would be around 3%. And that's without counting the savings not producing gas or Diesel. 1l of that consumes as much electricity a typical EV consumes for around 30-40km. Al major car companies or their suppliers are starting recycling facilities but they have one problem, not enough material to recycle.

[@ianmcleod8898]

@@chrismd00 The EV battery is a difficult thing to recycle. In 12 yrs time there may be a pile of unreclaimable scrap!

[@Timberstuff]

@@juergenschoepf2885 dreams

[@VPF74]

​@@juergenschoepf2885 Where did you get these figures from? 3% seems a little low.

[@janet53589]

These electric car owners are going to be very unhappy people before long. Currently they enjoy a leech existence, whereby they get carried along by the already paid for investment by others. That will come to a very sharp end and soon, when they are forced to pay their own way, and the real costs of running EVs are upon them. Not everyone can be leeches. The exorbitant costs and shortages of everything related to EVs are going to be astronomic and soon. It could be the end of your freedom to travel. Oh dear, I've just spilled the globalist's secret, sorry.

[@murphylas]

Two of things that made the Ford Model T the most popular car in the world were reliability and durability. Some of these EVs coming from China have horrible ratings in both these areas. EVs like Tesla, Mercedes Benz, BMW, and Ford will do well. Some EVs that are less reliable and durable probably will not.

[@ingo_8628]

Landrover is an icon, so i dont think the used ones will drastically loose their value, by the current regulations in europe you can drive your existing icecar till the coffin closes and than you can hand it over to your heirs. The ban is only for new cars. I think landrover is on a path to change to ev, if the company dont survive, the brand itself will, under a new owner. They have PHEVs and plan an EV for 2024, a little late but could survive.

[@david9192]

I think it will happen by choice before that EV's are getting so good. ❤️

[@RagingDork]

Well I hope they fix their power grid before then. Love the title though 😂. Really don’t know what goes on in those toyota meetings 🤷🏻‍♂️.

[@unclefurbiesvoice9902]

Better watch how they setup this next round of over-priced rubbish. If they don't take cash in hand this should be avoided.

[@stuartpullar9138]

My wife just ordered a Volvo C40. I couldn’t convince her to get a Model Y. What do you think of the C40 and also Volvo and Polestar’s prospects? it is a good looking car and most of the specs (while less impressive than Tesla) are far above what she needs for 50 weeks of the year. And secretly I prefer the external shape of the C40 to the Y. I prefer the 3 to the Y. While we definitely paid a premium for many reasons, her current car (a Jeep) is starting to get expensive to maintain.

[@Andy-vy9vf]

I think it’s time for a new wife 😅

[@mikafiltenborg2291]

Get a New wife😆

[@NinoPanino]

I would take a volvo over tesla anyday.

[@Lifecoach7Ra]

Not so bad car, if one likes expensive services. A lot of power that they cannot bring to the street and not very roomy inside. Over all performance behind cheaper KIA EV6 AWD in most important aspects. Consumption, street performance, room, accessories. This is same with Polestar 2 which also is behind Tesla and Hyundai Group’s cars. They are not what they cost and today there is no bad brand, but e.g. some have better service and 7 years warranty!🤓😜

[@Daniel-qr6sx]

the volvo haven't got the best efficency

[@matthewboyd8689]

2017: Model 3 starts production, everyone laughs thinking they will stop sales when they get their pre-orders done 2019: Ford realizes that Tesla will not die and they are being more and more successful. Changes their compliance car plan to the Mach E halfway through the design 2022: EV will not be the future (meanwhile every vehicle company has one electric vehicle in production or planned to)

[@dsloop3907]

13 years..is the EU betting on some great new discovery in battery research for the ICE replacements, and the power grid upgrades? Perhaps Fusion power will be utilized in that time frame, but it has been 20 years away, for 60 years.

[@malcolmrickarby2313]

Look up in the sky. It’s a fusion reactor. Buy a receiver and then it’s free. Simple 🤷‍♂️

[@pr7049]

Peugeot e 208 has in two years got 2 improvements of the range. It was first 340km WLPT and now 400 km. Now its becoming a good bev. Stallantis CEO is just playing games to satisfy the board. He has to beg for the government, EU hand outs or less strick regulations and on the other hand market the bevs of the brand.

[@paulwestwood4417]

I’m very pleased with my VW. It has been the best car I’ve ever owned. It is several years old and everything works and no rust. It’s MOT and service this mouth was just £165. But we are talking about the future here, I just hope the other qualities stack up on the new EVs.

[@bobmitchell8012]

Sam, we are all coming around to your house with our ICE Engined Vehicles and revving the crap out of them.

[@malcolmrickarby2313]

Grow up Bobby.

[@1rjona]

I have this feeling 2023 is to ICE cars what 2008 was for dumb phones

[@JeffMathias]

Transport as a service is the 800 lb gorilla. If Tony Seba is correct and TAS is cheaper than even just the cost of gas, the car market shrinks radically. Is this why Tesla isn’t building more factories?

[@MA001]

I think Mercedes Benz, BMW and Audi are at risk of losing their dominance in the luxury brand market. One thing that appears to be growing is revenue by subscriptions. Although I think that some go a bit too far, like a subscription to enable heated seats, or enable extra turning ability in a rear wheel steering system. The gradual rise of EVs and the changes in the products that brands deliver have at least changed my views on certain brands.

[@sandorvarga.6982]

SUCCESS.

[@MrGodpetrucci]

Europe always trying to save the world. But it always the One to be saved.

[@jasongooden917]

I heard it's over 3 million preorders for Cybertruck now

[@DrDefore]

They stopped taking orders early 2022. Sold out until 2027.. @ 250,00 prod/yr .. 4 yrs prod is only a million orders . Don’t know how fast production will be ramped up.

[@craigelliott2524]

Good this will increase stock of hybrids vehicles here in Australia…. They will be able to offload them here

[@MrSec84]

Prices for EVs are going to drop hard in the next couple of years, the second hand market is going to make it so that EVs become very affordable and ownership, home charging and free/cheap destination charging is going to show people how much more convenient owning an EV will be compared to ICE cars way before the global new ICE car bans take effect in 2035!

[@jebes909090]

Sure they are....

[@malcolmrickarby2313]

Not sure if they’ll drop much in the next couple of years but certainly will by 2035. 🤔

[@Dave5843-d9m]

Audi, Skoda, Seat and Porsche are all part of VW. They’ll all go the same way.

[@johnlozauskas778]

Are you saying the Salatis CEO is acting like a politician? 😊

[@jasongooden917]

might as well, They don't have oil coming in

[@TheViewFromUpHere]

Peugeot has some good EV models, the e208 and e308.

[@BlondieSuperdog]

Why isnt Europe doing massive carpooling right now - aren't they facing a huge energy crisis? where are these smart governments now? Yes europeans are so smart we should do nothing but hope for a lovely day in the future instead of acting immediately.

[@avaxasirvina6740]

I think Europe and the world in general will need a ICE Hybrid for use cases like Emergency service, search and rescue, farming equipment, etc. Total ban is a short sighted idea. EV's are just not feasible for all needed use cases at this time and unlikely by 2035, unless a major breakthrough is made that is safe, affordable and abundant. If the legislation was for only Passenger or commuter vehicles, that would make more sense.

[@oerthling]

The "ban" will most likely be redundant anyway. Shrinking production runs for ICE cars will increase unit costs, while EVs increase market share (and profit from shrinking unit costs with growing production runs). ICE cars will become expensive old-tech, crappy and uncompetitive. And while some kinds of vehicles (I'm guessing some specialized construction vehicles for example) might not be as easily converted to EVs, I don't see why emergency vehicles would pose a major problem. On the whole I don't think the ban will make much difference. And can always be adapted where needed. Having a few exceptions (specialized bridge building machinery or whatever) won't make a difference to global CO2 anyway. It's a billion cars that makes a difference.

[@ciybersal9833]

@@oerthling Here in third world people still buy dumb phones as battery lasts a week and batteries can be replaced. Emergency services required in mountains regions, villages, deserts Amazons of the world you need lots of fuel. In case of petrol you can carry in bottles. Unless swappable battery becomes big petrol cars would provide that versatility or maybe Chinese swappable EVs will....

[@oerthling]

@@ciybersal9833 Obviously the situation in developing countries is different from Europe and will move at another pace. But sometimes, like with cell towers, technological advancements can be skipped. Countries that never finished connecting ever household to a countrywide telephone network, now has cell phone access in remote places because it was easier/cheaper to build 1 antenna tower than thousands of km of cable and network nodes. Similar, getting wind and solar based energy production to remote corners might eventually be easier than getting power lines to every remote village. Not sure and I'm not an infrastructure expert - time will tell. But even with a delay, this change will also come to developing countries. After some years the supply of used ICE cars will run out, so less to import. And less new oilfields will get developed and less oil/gas shipped around when demand from countries that switched to EVs goes down. Meanwhile solar panels and batteries will become cheaper with increased production resulting in lower unit costs.

[@avaxasirvina6740]

@@oerthling Point is a "Ban" is short sighted as we do not yet have battery solutions that will address use cases that ICE/Hybrids still fill better than EV's. Eventually they will, but the research currently does not support it and anticipated breakthrough may or may not come to production at that time or in amount needed. I have an EV Truck, I really love it. But I still have to have my ICE truck for some of my needs. Emergency service, large scale transport, search and rescue, etc. still need ICE/Hybrid engines some time still. Emergency vehicles like ambulances need to be ready and deployable and refill very quickly, in a large or long term emergency situation. Exceptions should be dully noted for such vehicles.

[@avaxasirvina6740]

@@oerthling Point is a "Ban" is short sighted as we do not yet have battery solutions that will address use cases that ICE/Hybrids still fill better than EV's. Eventually they will, but the research currently does not support it and anticipated breakthrough may or may not come to production at that time or in amount needed. I have an EV Truck, I really love it. But I still have to have my ICE truck for some of my needs. Emergency service, large scale transport, search and rescue, etc. still need ICE/Hybrid engines some time still. Emergency vehicles like ambulances need to be ready and deployable and refill very quickly, in a large or long term emergency situation. Exceptions should be dully noted for such vehicles.

[@tarun1982]

why cant they just sell hybrid cars then?... Edit: I'm talking about Toyota

[@djtaylorutube]

What's the benefit?

[@malcolmrickarby2313]

The need to breathe 🌏

[@kckfen]

Just one question, how they going to charge all the EV?

[@joeabad5908]

Mostly from their house outlet..what is more convenient?

[@mikafiltenborg2291]

From the Sun & wind

[@stephenlennox6491]

@@joeabad5908 So your not planing to drive very far then.

[@stephenlennox6491]

@@mikafiltenborg2291 Would not bank on that. It dont produce enough.

[@oerthling]

1899: How will they supply all those newfangled atomobiles with gas? There's hardly any gas stations, not nearly enough gas and no proper road network. Best we keep riding horses and carriages.

[@donaldduck5731]

I’m interested in how Oil & Gas companies respond, they’re still exploring to find new oil reserves at the moment, sort of pointless if they can’t sell any of the stuff they find. This might be the “moment of clarity” O&G mentally stunted executives needed to finally realise if they don’t invest they’re money in green energy projects and EV charging infrastructure they will have a turnover equivalent to the Burger&Chips caravan parked on the M11 truck-stop in a decades time, certainly in China and Europe and most probably the US too, Aussies will still be riding Kangaroos most probably. Actually O&G might crash like a crashy-thing, all that infrastructure making H2 unviable, well O&G has the same infrastructure they need to keep running. When people buy gas/petrol they’re really paying for the overheads of oil rigs, pipes, refineries and lorries and so on. If O&G sales start dropping their overheads wont, so gas/petrol prices will just increase making EV’s a better purchase option well before 2035. "Gasoline Enthusiasts" might just get trapped in a cycle of never ending escalating price rises with EV sales and market share going as it is.

[@johnwilson5743]

Hi DD. You pose a very good question. How are they already beginning to respond. Well, forward thinking groups, like the Arab Oil producers, have already started weaning their whole financial futures s-l-o-w-l-y off oil and on to various other energy producing methodologies. Particularly Solar and Wind. They already have some HUGE solar farms, backed by battery storage systems. Have built a few alt energy small towns (more than 5 years ago) and are trialing and testing all these systems. Closer to home, in the UK who have embraced particularly off-shore wind farms backed by battery storage, a number of the Petrol (gasolene) retail companies are establishing EV charging stations on their forecourts, with solar on their roofs, again backed by batteries. One has to give them credit for realising a huge change is coming... and they want to survive. Very, very interesting.

[@s.oliver3687]

Not sure why the building of the VW is so inefficient = hand made. Might have to do with German laws in favour of workers. (But then Tesla would have to build the EVs here in Berlin the same way. Not sure.)

[@foxylady1048]

Land Rover is going all out EV from 2024 Sam, so let’s hope it works out for them, or like you said, it will be over for them.

[@Lifecoach7Ra]

Cannot imagine that TATA is that much stupid to not further invest in Jaguar Land-Rover electric cars! It’s the solution towards their own future in 🇮🇳 and also a must to survive in still ‚rich‘ markets in Europe or also USA.

[@beautifulgirl219]

China is on track to sell 45% electric vehicles in 2023. The U.S. makes the excuse for not doing more environmentally: "China isn't doing enough." Construction of the 2 MWt Thorium Molten Salt Reactor-Liquid Flouride 1 began in September 2018 and was reported completed in August 2021. China plans to build a similar reactor with a capacity of 373 MWt by 2030. U.S. needs to put money into the nuclear energy market or get left behind by China and Europe, who will make a fortune and dominate the market. Fossil fuels cannot be the future.

[@coldnnh6983]

So in 12 years we are going to have charging stations in every home on every corner and the grid is going to handle it? People that live in rural areas are going to be taken care of? Who is paying for all this? Most countries are broke and spending money on something that doesn’t change pollution much , just moves it around. What about the raw material to build all these save the world cars???? What happens when the prices get so high it’s unaffordable? Why are we pushing the future so fast without a real plan? You never talk about that just the fluff . Reality will show up especially when the world economy tanks and things like food housing jobs become more important. Automotive pollution is only 14% in America so it will be what 10% , electricity has to come from somewhere. Fluff fluff fluff

[@jp6975]

Why don't you start a channel talking about all that... without the fluff...?

[@el86lo36fky]

05/10/2024 : Toyota LAUGHS loudly. EV sales are plunging in Europe and the US. Toyota hybrid sales explode towards the moon

[@AL-kq8fp]

I think we are heading to a disaster. If you replace all the energy of patrols with electricity the is not enough. 1. electricity 2.Chraging stations 3. Lithium 4. Battery factories 5. Room to dump UNrecycle batteries ect. Love to get a smart comment

[@mysurlytrucker7510]

It was a hundred percent obvious that EVS were coming fast from years ago.

[@narayanalee]

woo woo woo !!!

[@vanrozay8871]

Toyota seems to be not from another country, but another planet. It's hard to understand how supposedly smart execs can be so ignorant, insular, unaware of world conditions. By waiting so long to "adjust," a great company may be committing suicide. Can Nissan, with ahead start in EVs, survive and maybe take over Toyota? So far, the Ariya seems to have issues that make it an iffy choice, despite its attractive styling. Korea is about to kick Japan's butt.

[@ISuperTed]

2030 in UK

[@hapaboy8967]

2035 Is a long time time away.

[@DrDefore]

Legacy mfrs are producing trucks at a loss. When they are finally redesigned and tooled up properly, Tesla will be at full production and will drop their prices. And the last nail goes in the coffin!

[@larrym12]

Toyota will rule in 5 years time when the solid state batteries will be the best

[@mikafiltenborg2291]

🤣🤣🤣😆😆 Solid state batteries coming year 2055... Good luck to Toyota make profit selling EV's!! 😊👍

[@mikafiltenborg2291]

... And good luck to mass produce solid state batteries!!! 😅(with low price)

[@willeisinga2089]

2035 is 12 years from now.

[@koenraad4618]

Don’t worry, the EU will be gone within 12 years.

[@mikafiltenborg2291]

Nobody want to buy a ICE car after 2025 when a EV cost less 🤣

[@byddf]

I think many EVs in 2025 are still can't do 1500 km NEDC (1000 km or more in real life). ICE cars can do that. So some people still thinking about ICE cars. (I'm not counting Norway, which many people have enough patience to wait for charging EV.)

[@b4804514]

Tesla makes 3 cars to VW 1 car, End of story

[@msdee8721]

This guy is sincere in his gen m religious beliefs , reality be damned Evs he says are the new holy machine , but hey are as dirty and bad for the environment as it gets , mining is the only way to get lithium which is a poor choice as an ev power source, mining in the most environmentally destructive way to get resources , also the actual power source for the ev is either , hydro , thermal or nuclear all of which have some element of risk with hydro causing the worst environmental damage to produce it , of course this guy claims wind and solar are the big saviors of earth, -not.

[@jebes909090]

Regular people dont deserve thier own cars. They can just use public transit.

[@stephenlennox6491]

Well Well. Who do you mean by regular people, are you a regular person if not why ?

[@piusdavidw...]

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[@cky5573]

I think the EU is farther ahead of the US in the infrastructure for EVs.

[@macros4129]

They moved 2030 to 2035 and they will move it to 2040.

[@tarun1982]

It would be hilarious if all Chinese EV companies start running their media narrative and propaganda to run all ICE vehicles off the global markets completely in a short time😂😂

[@ciybersal9833]

Ice vehicles are extremely popular in developing world where majority lives and Chinese are quietly displacing Japanese here...

[@ronniebrown806]

Toyota might come up with something. They seem just to be sneaky... don't underestimate the Japanese. 🤓

[@mikafiltenborg2291]

Good luck to Toyota make profit selling EV's!!!! 😉👍

[@malcolmrickarby2313]

They may do the traditional act of an honourable leader when they fail.⛩⚔️

[@byddf]

The harakiri is outdated.

[@Dave5843-d9m]

What about China’s horrendous demographic problem? Their working population will have collapsed by 2030.

[@malcolmrickarby2313]

They will do better than any one clinging to an Ice economy.🤔

[@mickzed6393]

I notice a lot of used M3's for sale here in AUS now. People moving into Y's. How long can Tesla's amazing growth last, as basically a Y trick pony?

[@christophermarshall527]

Like the 'Y trick pony' but really it's a bit like a question from many years back "how many iPhones can they sell at that price?" The answer turned out to be 'a shit load'

[@mickzed6393]

@@christophermarshall527 Not a fan of the I phone comparison and now Samsung is the biggest seller, with a vast range of options. Not sure how relevant that is, just sayin.

[@slavko321]

@@mickzed6393 fair point, but tesla is already developing a low cost car platform.

[@ciybersal9833]

@@slavko321 Since Tesla doesn't do hybrids it has little access to developing world where majority lives and also is fastest growing economies with minuscule EV infrastructure. These regions barely started buying hybrids and Chinese are all in into these regions. Changan has now 3rd best seller in Saudi market for example with ICE cars Geely ICE in Indonesia MGs ICE selling bucketloads in India Pakistan Mexico etc. Tesla has no chance this decade in these regions..(maybe except for India)

[@mickzed6393]

@@slavko321 Others will have big head start in that space. Will BYD be Samsung smartphone of BEV's, offering something for everyone and be nr1 seller?

[@noleftturns]

Remember, as easy as it was to pass a law is as easy as it is to void that law. All these "laws" banning ICE will be overthrown, and ICE will still be made 50 years from now. There is no scientific proof that climate change is real - since there is NO definition of what climate change is. Well, except it is a synonym for the weather. 25 years from now, in the USA, EVs will make up just 25% of the cars sold - if that. EVs pollute just as much as ICE cars do for the 1st 7 years of ownership since that Lithium battery required 500,000 pounds of ore to be scraped, moved, crushed, refined, shipped halfway around the earth, and finally delivered to the battery manufacturer - all powered by diesel that will NEVER change. and then after 7 years, Green energy accounts for 12% of all the energy produced today, and that means 88% of the electricity you put into your EV is from carbon energy, and that won't change much in 25 years. Our electrical grids need to be substantially improved to handle millions of EVs charging just as the sun sets and the wind dies. Buy an EV if you want but don't think for a second you are saving the earth in any way. It doesn't need saving.

[@Beatles4Sale.]

Toyota is in trouble. But they still make a lot of money to throw last minute at the EV market. This is a big if…if their solid state battery can be scaled for EV’s they could do well. I’m also expecting Toyota to cut costs more than they have up until now. Yes, I think the hybrid market is going away. But lots of people still like hybrids. You can get a Camry that gets 50mpg. The new Prius is being advertised to go 60miles electric. That’s a 100% increase from the past design. I’m curious to see if the hybrid market, especially for Toyota, decreases as quickly as fully ICE vehicles. Finally hydrogen vehicles make a lot of sense for buses and semi trucks. There are many cities in the USA that have hydrogen metro buses including where I live in DC. Toyota has just announced a new hydrogen semi truck.

[@b4804514]

Toyota is controlled by the accounting dept. so cutting costs is probably not in the cards

[@ciybersal9833]

Viking is only west+ China remember. All Rest of the world is only started going hybrids. Problem for Toyota is that along with other Japanese brands China has already entered developing world with ICE cars and hybrids and Japan is losing ICE share in middle East, South Asia and Latin America simultaneously to EV lost in west +China

[@passby8070]

I think Mercedes will still survive because of the huge brand recognition and their forward looking direction. There is a good chance Audi will too although they don't have the Mercedes brand recognition. They will need to try alot harder and significantly deduction is market share in the near future. Lots of the Japanese car brands the likes of Honda and Mazda are already too late to the party, by the time they start to produce electric cars, those big markets will already be saturated. They will already be in trouble from ICE vehicle clapse.

[@PomPom-vf9ko]

Boicott chinese electric cars.

[@MsValley28]

I do not want an electric car. Most people aannot afford it.

[@tsamuel6224]

The ICE car ban is the best thing possible for legacy auto. It means they will do something sooner than they planned. Enough? Doubt it.

[@paullewis-cb9cm]

2030 GREAT RESET