Europe on the Edge

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What’s happening to Europe? The fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989 was seen as a triumph for liberal democracy. True, the ‘end of history’ narrative didn’t play out across the world as many predicted. But in Europe political liberalism seemed unshakable, supported as it was by international business and transnational organisations such as the EU and NATO.
But now Europe stands at a precarious moment. Anti-establishment and anti-EU political parties are on the rise. Brexit and the presidency of Donald Trump add to the uncertainty. And while Marine Le Pen didn’t sweep to victory in the recent French presidential election, the new president Emmanuel Macron faces an uphill battle to fix the French economy and reform the EU’s institutions. If he fails, Le Pen could be well set to win the presidency in 2022.
How can we account for this surge of support for far-right and populist parties in Europe? Conventional wisdom has it that it is only in times of economic hardship and high unemployment that these groups begin to gain ground. That may be true of France, which took a serious knocking in the 2008 crash and has a high rate of joblessness. But the Dutch sit comfortably high in all the OECD rankings for income levels, employment and life satisfaction. And look at Poland, a country initially seen by the west as a post-communist success story. Although it has been largely unaffected by the Eurozone crisis and has no immigration as such, a xenophobic, authoritarian government is now in charge.
In this major Intelligence Squared event, we brought together a star panel to explore the reasons behind the rise of populism in Europe and to discuss where the continent is heading next. Is far-right politics the new normal? How will the continent deal with the effects of continuing large-scale immigration and its entrenched economic woes?

[@nativebritannicislander7150]

I am nearly 50yrs old now and I grew in the East Midlands, Muslims have been talking about taking over Britain and enforcing Sharia law for decades. To quote a Muslim doctors I new. "Of course British people will not want Sharia Law, but once we takeover and they will see how much better it is they will convert and those who still don't want it will be powerless to do anything about it". That was 25yrs ago and spoken by practicing GP. It is a sentiment I have heard many times. Simply quoting this makes me racist in today's society.

[@sean85ster]

Racist? What you are describing is blatant fascism - and contemplacy to a life of slavery. And worse yet - it forces not only everyone into submission, but 50% of the population, namely women. Will have to accept both violence, abject abuse - and removal of basic human rights. Because a silly man written book - that holds no more truth nor additional value then lets say Harry Potter, says its proper. And further: Its a war declaration on democracy and liberty, its a rightfully viewed as an violent attack on society. And lastly: This is why Islamism should be viewed more as a political movement then strictly a religious viewpoint.

[@NewsHistorian]

The leftists taught them well.

[@SamsonZoomBespoke]

It’s racist for Islam to say that you dont have an opinion

[@voncarlowitz3506]

That shows how important it is to have or create democratic nationalist political parties with people who love their country and democracy.. It has nothing to do with racism, it's all about stopping an ideology of hate, threats, social fraud, gratuite street violence, violence against girls and women, riots and terror attacks, all disguised as a religion.. Not all muslims are like this but too many of them are so and their numbers are growing.. Something has to be done about it but as long as the citizens of the UK and the EU are more worried about being able to buy 2 cars and go on vacation twice a year, it will take a long time before they wake up to reality..

[@AlexForsyth]

​@NeTwsHistorian They are the leftists!

[@richardwilton2203]

Douglas Murray the only guy that dares to speak the truth,he is a British gem.

[@Jack_Callcott_AU]

Douglas is the only one worth listening to.

[@makhorubhiyo4053]

Yes. He is worth listening to. Been through university but has come out uninfected.

[@neilmcgilligan2695]

He's a list hypocrisy and bigot

[@jeffhatmaker817]

Totally agree. American here. We could use a few million 'Douglas Murrays' here. Much respect.

[@aegilmoth]

Douglas Murray is a refreshingly honest voice amongst all the self-loathing and denial.

[@hunter1211]

There was once a beautiful continent named Europe... RIP Europe.

[@frozzytango9927]

they all sound like idiots..

[@l.w.paradis2108]

@@frozzytango9927 Elif Shafak certainly does not.

[@altelf3079]

@@l.w.paradis2108 ?????

[@l.w.paradis2108]

@@altelf3079 She sounds very intelligent and well-spoken.

[@99IronDuke]

Douglas Murray is the only one really telling the truth.

[@NotUrBiz]

What I've never understood is the lie that the left promotes, "Moderate Muslims" will help stop the radicals. It is easily disproved. In Iran the moderates do not wish to be outed as heretics, so even though vastly greater in numbers, they allow Islamic fundamentalists to rule over them as if done by the very hand of their god. The moderates will be of no real help anywhere in the west as the jihadists force compliance.

[@RickMcCargar]

The globalists pretend they aren't a tribe with prescribed views, similar educations and taste and an obvious dislike of the "other". They are also the most likely to feel they should dictate how we live and that they, and only they, are up to the challenge. How about this...leave us alone.

[@carlosfdz7807]

Douglas Murray was talking about the reformers inside the Muslim community and she said the he was "generalizing". I don't think there is going to be progress in the discussion with misrepresentation.

[@edithvicina178]

Inclusion welcoming the refugees. It work in Canada until now. It’s the policy of our government.

[@tonycox8587]

Fortunately, there are several speakers of his caliber “on the side of the angels”. Any one have suggestions for champions on the other side?

[@alexd7466]

the French woman has proven to be wrong on every point she makes, within 1.5 years after this interview.

[@IdeesDePhysique]

She is a nobody in France. I am quite displeased that they took some random establishment journalist.

[@BIATEC88]

@@IdeesDePhysique who ever she is she's a fool

[@IdeesDePhysique]

@@BIATEC88 Indeed. As a side-note, she is Belgian, but used to work for French/US newspapers. The most notable thing she is know for is to be married to an ex-French Foreign minister (Kouchner) who is a Clinton-level failure in the French style. Rot knows no borders :)

[@BIATEC88]

@@IdeesDePhysique WORD

[@BIATEC88]

@@IdeesDePhysique The name says it all

[@normbabbitt4325]

Thank God, for Douglas Murray and the forthright clarity he brings.

[@lovingsongs1762]

I agree, but do you think Murray's truth will ever prevail?

[@frankspencer5602]

@@lovingsongs1762 unfortunately not.. I know you wrote this a year ago. But this debate was 6 years ago and how its got even worse since, even since your comment it has gotten far far worse, i think a revolution in the streets will be happening in the next few years

[@julius43461]

@@frankspencer5602 Yeah Murray is going to be like Thomas Sowell in the US. Fantastic thinker, but youth won't have any idea who he was. The society will rot, the obvious things he pointed out will continue to happen, and he like many sober people before him will be forgotten.

[@frankspencer5602]

yeah spot on and it's a travesty Sowell the youth are not pushed to listen to free thinkers like him, i'm from the UK and love thomas sowell been listening to him and many others for years, i still go back and listen to his older interviews that are readly available on here.@@julius43461

[@FiveLiver]

24:13 "I think 'populist' is a term that some people use for things they don't like" spot on Douglas Murray.

[@EdSmith7464]

Douglas Murray interventions: 11:53 Issues Europe is facing today 23:15 Waves of immigration 24:12 Populism 38:59 Extremism in Europe 47:54 A Civil War within a Religion 50:31 Recognizing a real problem 1:04:17 Refugees and Economic Migrants 1:21:51 European Guilt

[@madan2241]

Ty so much, I was searching for this comment

[@kasperhornstrup]

Thank you good Sir. Happy new year!

[@Mixcoatl]

You're doing God's work.

[@deniska0]

DM music to my ears

[@deliriumtremens999]

No all heroes wear capes 👏

[@ThePayola123]

It's too bad the Libyan government was overthrown by NATO. If Libya was stable, many of the African migrants would be working in a stable prosperous country instead of crossing the Mediterranean.

[@freethought6135]

courtesy of Secretary Clinton and President Obama

[@radamson1]

@@freethought6135 One of the stupidest moves those two ever made.

[@Joxer667]

@@freethought6135 lol, what about Frabnce and their 250bil $ debt, and rest of European countries that get involved, ahahha, like Obama is to blame for this

[@danh.5998]

@@Joxer667 There is a lot of blame to go around for sure

[@Joxer667]

@@danh.5998 everyone but Italy and Russia xDDD

[@rationalmuscle]

It's a pleasure to watch Europeans debate. The civility is refreshing. Murray, per usual, is spot-on.

[@User-19382]

All are Europeans except that Turkish lady. Turkey is not Europe. Never will be.

[@123danvc]

I’m an American and always enjoy and can relate to Douglass Murray. We have our integration problems to. Currently our borders are being flooded by illegals, drug cartels and terrorists, and the entire complexion & culture is being altered similar to Europe and in a very negative way. Take heed to Douglass Murray he’s spot on with the issues!

[@otthoheldring]

Douglas

[@suzanne6441]

We don't haven't half the problem Europe does. We either do something better in integrating people, because it seems like people who come here aren't beheading teachers... or we have different immigrants. I have no problem with people coming to work on farms and send money home. In fact our economy needs them as much as they need us. Some cultures blend in better and some even have gratitude. I don't get why people go to a country if they hate the country and want to change it to ft them.

[@123danvc]

@@suzanne6441 I understand on the West coast and mid-west there are some immigrants that come to work hard, but where I’m at and on the east coast, but New Mexican, Arizona and a lot of other states are dealing with some real bad actors (criminals, cartels, misc. problem persons). I strongly believe that all people coming in this country have to enter LEGALLY! And I still disagree with you New York is being overwhelmed with illegals as it’s California. I want immigration restrictied. I agree what the politicians (particularly Tony Blair) have done to England, France and many of the European countries is a crime! London is no longer English. I’ deeply admire the English and their contribution (I’m German/Italian) to western society! I’m appalled and deeply hurt to think it may no longer exist as it has for centuries.

[@suzanne6441]

I agree, of course they should enter legally. And I'm in nyc so I don't know about the onslaught you experience though yes I've heard we're having problems now too. I just have sympathy for the hard workers being lumped in with gangs. @@123danvc

[@theknob1]

No one interrupted until Murray started to make a good point against the progressives. Then the moderator and the Prog attacked. Typical.

[@HerrSheeps]

"Populism is France has been halted. . ." From the future, how's that Yellow Vest thing working our for you? The sheer lack of self awareness is amazing.

[@Richcanvas]

I watched this today for the first time and nearly choked on my cornflakes. Yes, how wrong the commentator was. Must be living in a fantasy world. France for example has and is rapidly going down hill extremely fast in all aspects.

[@MovieRiotHD]

In addition: Macron was voted in by 50% of the 40% who voted. Only 78% is eligable to vote. This means that only 18% of French citizens voted for Macron. How many French people will still support him?

[@piruz3243]

@@MovieRiotHD With all due respect to you, I think this is a very common mistake made by many people. The huge population that votes is usually a very good indicator of the whole population. The mistake, in my opinion, that many people make is that they automatically put the non-voters in the opposed column, thinking that all those who didn't vote would have voted against the eventual winner. That said, I do agree with you that Macron's popularity has taken a dive at this moment. But this is not strange. It is very easy to be in opposition and criticize. But once a person is in power, it's a whole different ball game.

[@JulianKong]

This forum is going nowhere. The liberals are allergic to reason.

[@Danie678]

@Marco What slavery? Communism?

[@Danie678]

@Marco Well I can agree with you in this.

[@christianwn]

There was no a rape, groping and grooming-gangs culture in Europe when I grew up. In Norway we had just a few mosques...

[@Rubashow]

"50% of Muslims think that homosexuality should be a lock-up crime." "Yeah but you shouldn't generalize about all Muslims." *Facepalm*

[@ayala412]

when did any of them say this i didn't hear it

[@malcolmlarri9073]

even if it were true, you could easily say the same about evangelical christians so it does say much anyway

[@lewis123417]

This wasn't a generalisation this was a national poll in the UK

[@malcolmlarri9073]

@@Carthodon no just to hell which is much kinder

[@educational1651]

@@malcolmlarri9073 Oh my.. That’s your comparison? A belief on what you think happens when someone who sins dies VS locking the person who sins up? Totally the same thing 👌 good job.

[@IIII2IIII]

Is anyone watching this after 7 October 2023?

[@user-rv1wf6sd4p]

...why not??

[@user-rv1wf6sd4p]

..its ALL conected

[@alexkiddonen]

Yup

[@AlexForsyth]

Yes!

[@brianmosse]

Douglas speaks so well on behalf of ordinary people, when he says that it is no small thing that people sense there is too much immigration of people that have no intention of integrating.

[@timnray99]

mom always said, never confuse education is synonymous with intelligence or believe that a combination of the two will always produce common sense

[@stephenlock7236]

They call it The chicken coming home to roost. When the West colonised over different peoples and culture, did they went there to integrate? Does it occur to those who expect immigrants to integrate gave that any thought? Or the migration to the West is purely the result of the west's own actions and practises they imposed on those countries they, in practise invaded?

[@TheAaronChand]

@Sam Morgan so why did India have the largest economy ahead of western Europe and Quing Dynasty China with 27 percent GDP 🤔 if western Europe could bulid great countries. China in the 15th 16th centuries had 25 to 30 percent of the global economy. By the 19th century China was still the largest economy in the world 6 times bigger than England and 20 times bigger than America.

[@markuszgraggen4831]

@@TheAaronChand Immigration from countries with non-technical basis and at same time are not willing or can not integrate their members they just do weaken the destination countries. Thatˋs all.

[@MonsieurMoustachio]

@@stephenlock7236 "the west" did not colonise anybody. the west does not exist as an entity. thinking that because the british empire exploited its colonies, sweden now has to pay for it, is insane

[@tumarfa]

These two questions were the very best - but they were ignored by the host: 1:11:44 - *"What aspects of Saudi Arabia, Somalia and Afghanistan's culture would the panel like to see more of that's missing from Britain?"* 1:12:07 - *"How many on the panel have studied the Koran, the Hadith and the life of Muhammad in detail?"*

[@evesapple]

I was there, and I remember Douglas did answer the second question- I think they've edited it slightly. From what I can recall, I think Douglas felt that the question was a bit of a rebuke (which I understand given past debates where people accuse him of misunderstanding Islam and of never having read the Quran) so he basically said that given the current climate, we (although I think mostly he) has read more of the Quran than they would like to, and that more time has been dedicated to the study of Islam, especially for an atheist-- and that he would like to go back to reading literature.

[@tumarfa]

Ok, thanks for the info. I think it's a bad move to cut such things out, as that can easily be viewed as bias. So in the interest of integrity they should show everything - or at least have an uncut version available, if they feel that the complete debate is too long to be "viewer friendly".

[@Paradox-om6lm]

The Turks contributed enormously... HOW ?

[@esam3477]

The Kebap shops around Europe

[@Triple109]

The Europe is not europe. It is changed now.

[@jamesnazon8714]

Turkey should not be allowed in Europe period

[@alwaysindenial1039]

@@jamesnazon8714 Turks are not terrorists. Assimilated very well in Germany özil Kebab also good prices on Hair Transplants Good dentistry Very good Turks

[@user-uy1rg8td1v]

@@esam3477 White people can learn how to cook non-white food. Its so silly that some people believe that only ethnic people can cook ethnic food.

[@generationx2970]

Simple We want our countries back.. Not hard to understand.

[@25Soupy]

Everyone in the world gets to have their own country, customs and culture except for white western christian countries. The progressive left hasn't a clue and they can't even see their on contradictions. In their eyes if a Han Chinese moves to Tibet they call it ethnic genocide but not if the country they're moving to is European. They believe in Scottish independence from England but can't understand why the British people would ever want to leave the E.U.

[@ParcelOfRogue]

@@25Soupy The history of Britain and many other countries is waves of different peoples coming, from the stone age, Celtic peoples, Romans from all over the empire including black soldiers in north of England ( before it was England), the Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Danes, Vikings, with Cornish going to Britanny, then England joined with France, Jews, Gypsies, Hugonots kicking off the Industrial revolution and giving us an advantage in weaving. Dutch draining East Anglia and staying, Poles & Italians in UK cities. Swedes and Germans also came. People from all over the empire bringing better foods. Food was crap here on the whole in the 70's until people with mainly darker skin improved it no end. Culture is what you make it. You keep what you want, the best, junk the rubbish and take the best that arrives. Folk music and ritual here is older than Britain and some older than England, but that does not make imports good too.

[@ParcelOfRogue]

...and the Irish. The old north and west Welsh came from the Iberian Peninsular and many keep their typically dark curly hair, yet they are old British and have the oldest language in Europe

[@AnthonyTolhurst-dw1nc]

ParcelOf Rogue Maybe it’s time to collect our thoughts and say ENOUGH.

[@eleanorlondon1961]

@@ParcelOfRogue nice work sir. Completely agreed!

[@ronaldreagan-ik6hz]

Douglas is always the voice of reason and truth

[@fisterklister]

Douglas is right. I'm a scandinavian, and I'm not happy

[@egelisk4943]

Go see a therapist then.

[@subz3440]

Are you questioning your sexuality???

[@JeepoUK]

Finally someone speaking sense - Douglas Murray could be one of the most important people in this country to red pill the people with their heads in the sand.

[@sillysad3198]

what saddens me the most about all those muslim related issues: THEY WERE COMPLETELY AVOIDABLE FOR NO COST AL ALL.

[@grisflyt]

Silly Sad Yes, this is all Bush's fault. It would have saddened me too, had the Iraq war not made me give up on humanity. It only takes a handful of madmen in Washington to set the world in flames. The USA left Iraq with perhaps half a million dead and 5 million refugees. The EU and UN were left to clean up Bush's mess.

[@sillysad3198]

> Today it is done to benefit the immigrant it is not true. the immigration benefits THE ELITE, and this is why it is being done.

[@grisflyt]

Silly Sad Right. The elite sees children in need and the first thing that comes to mind is, "We can exploit this."

[@mavericktheace]

1:04:31 Murray just nails it. Facts on hand, and strong strong ethical backing to his position.

[@keithbentley6081]

Exactly, the others are just spouting their outdated philosophy in a general way. It's like listening to first year university students.

[@F1N175]

Turkish lady after Douglas points few facts: "this is so unfair"

[@ramyabhat4282]

Isn't it? I hear that every time a factual and logical argument is made!

[@rajadhirajmaharaj]

she's hot though..

[@sharky4532]

@@rajadhirajmaharaj I wander what she thinks about Erdogan's desire to destroy Europe.

[@rajadhirajmaharaj]

@@sharky4532 these are elites. migration doesn't affect their lifestyle.

[@jamesnazon8714]

@@rajadhirajmaharaj too bad she's a Turk

[@tumarfa]

1:07:17 - Ok, so most terrorist attacks that have happened in UK and France have been committed by people with UK/French citizenship. But so what? They all had *_Islam_* in common. When they originate from another culture and they don't want to either integrate or assimilate, then what point is there in mentioning that they have UK/French citizenship?

[@freethought6135]

they always point that out because they don't want "migrants" to be the problem. but they fail to mention the common denominator - ISLAM.

[@yodrewyt]

Yes. It's _Islam_.

[@cherylnagy126]

Douglas Murray invokes the historical reality

[@BIATEC88]

"Do we have to remind ourselves that hospitality obviously never consisted of letting oneself be invaded by uncountable guests, not particularly friendly, surrendering one's home or home land to them, and finally having to beg them to leave you a little spot somewhere...in what used to be your country". Quote by RENAUD CAMUS.

[@cinemar]

I can hear Douglas Murray's eyes rolling when the italian speaker waxes on.

[@gloriasangermano3687]

Yes theres sadness in Murray" s eyes. All of Europe is threatened. As an Italian i see the same deluge on our values and history

[@cinemar]

Stating that ISlam is poison is not a sweeping generalisation. It's a fact.

[@chrismccoyne4859]

Douglas Murray is an absolute hero.

[@lovingsongs1762]

He certainly is. Sadly, politicians don't listen to heroes.

[@ossified4reason]

You brought together a "star panel"? Give us a break. There is only one star on this panel, and we all know who it is.

[@lifu6135]

Douglas Murray was the star!

[@Malgosia44]

This is well below the level of what an intelligence2 debate shoud be. Douglas Murray is the only panelist in touch with reality. If not for him, this would have been a total waste of time.

[@maarneen2183]

I skipped some parts, particularly when the French lady was speaking. I do try to listen to views that differ from my own, but the two English men were the only ones worth listening to.

[@Generalscorpio]

Paul Collier comes across as a member of the liberal elite and perhaps at some level he is but if you read his book on immigration and multiculturalism you'll find he's relatively woke on the subject. He talks in a very hesitant or bumbling manner but he's actually pretty good here.

[@stephenellis2866]

Ifs & Buts Yorkshire bloke has it too

[@DancinJim]

Murray spot-on as usual, particularly on two points: 1) Populist is a term used to define a group in a derogatory fashion, without having to say "racist" or "xenophobe". 2) People uniting to address an issue they have concern over and identifying themselves as an "us" against a "them" isn't always wrong - they have a point.

[@evilmoif]

We are fast approaching the day when this conversation ends

[@cobbler88]

I'm not sure enough people in France and UK own firearms to end it favorably.

[@rafalgan-ganowicz]

Good. I have been ready for years

[@FiveLiver]

12:05 "a huge amount of damage has been done historically, and is still being done today, by optimists" great comment from Douglas Murray.

[@mayanksharmaRecites]

Besides Murray, the Turkish lady spoke well and relevant. Her manner of deliverance just as beautiful as herself.

[@kirkpassmore3302]

To the older woman with the grey hair: I grew up in a multi culteral population that continued to be more diverse during several years. during this period I did not have an anti immigration opinion. This developed much later and therefore was not as a result of an unwillingness to accept foreign faces I was not familiar with!! Dont be so patronising and assuming thankyou!!!!!!

[@CheapGodiva]

Thank God Douglas Murray was there to say, eloquently, what truths needed uttering.

[@dm-gq5uj]

I thought the old British guy was pretty good - but yeah, Murray is the best.

[@Iamfgn316]

Nobody HAS to accept terrorism.

[@cinemar]

What I'm getting from the Turkish woman is certain countries can be proud of their culture and some others not so much lest they be deemed Nationalists.

[@cristitanase6130]

The Ottoman Empire did much more evil that all colonialist empires combined. Ask any Eastern European and slav.

[@almostafa4725]

@@cristitanase6130 Nonsense

[@horiaalbu9306]

How could a rational person not criticize islam? accepting islam? I'm amazed that at this date, some rational people still think that we cold live along islam.

[@fandriekoh7134]

Horia Albu "How could a rational person not criticize islam?" Years of indoctrination in european schools in the name of education. A standard well educated european is one who is secularized, rational and politically correct.

[@danielitojames5323]

Domnul Horia, la fel ca romanii si ei au tot felul de oameni. Doctorii mei de la o clinica privata sunt toti musulmani, va pot da mai multe exemple. Acum avand in vedere ca Anglia a colonizat aproape toata lumea, nu putem compara Romania care dupa 1945 a fost curva rusilor. Hai sa ne vedem noi de problemele noastre de acasa.

[@florenna]

Not only rational person, but I've even had a few highly intelligent persons say I'm totally wrong, Islam is a peaceful religion, and normal Muslims do not condone terror, etc. etc... Even claiming they have read the Koran and know better than me. Incredible but true.

[@longliveliberty1220]

Mostly because the majority of people haven’t even read the Q’oran.

[@dimsung8724]

@@fandriekoh7134 And about to find out they were lied to and had better get their shit tigether fast. If mass organised rape didn't do it in Germany I think it is the country that will provide the example other countries learn from.

[@frankiehere2010]

I would just like to thank you, my fellow youtubers...I'm so happy the large majority of the comments see the truth and that relaxes my anxiety on the future for our children.

[@mikereger1186]

Which is why the North has kept voting against Labour this year. Sadly, Boris’ bunch aren’t much better... perhaps only “less-worse” but they’re still NeoLib elites.

[@lovingsongs1762]

Don't relax too much because I rather doubt that Europe will accept Douglas Murray's truths and act on them.

[@astronaut8917]

as always Douglas Murray is the smartest person on the panel

[@marionmann8341]

those women especially the french one, are on a different planet

[@shazzylogo]

Marion Mann Yes, because they are internationalists who can upsticks at anytime and move anywhere, while their decisions steal the homes, streets and towns of people who have no choice other than to live with the consequences of these careless smug rulers.

[@sababa248]

She is Belgian

[@l.w.paradis2108]

Ockrent is a known neoliberal globalist and has never failed to be horrible, on any platform where I've seen her. Elif Shafak is not of the same stripe at all. Don't you listen to women on an individual basis? And here I thought Western Values were all about respecting The Individual!

[@AJHart-eg1ys]

Maybe, but Elif is fiiiiiiiine.

[@diekleinerprinz]

I m born in 81 France. I was 7 when a muslim turkish boy in a tiny quiet village not a left over suburb got to me abusing us and shouting that Islam would take over France . that was not the first time i felt abused by muslim kids for beeing sadly a white indigeneous it was the first time to be told about Islam conquest in 1988 since then ... assimilation is not a plus it s an absolute requirement. Integration doesn't mean anything. That turkish woman should better engage other muslim countries on refugiees rather Eu countries where would she go seek for protection then when Erdogan savage will left her with no other choice to leave ?

[@silverscope3093]

If it makes you feel any better, us brown people in our indigenous lands were also in your position before the muslims came over and force converted and ruled our lands. The same is true for Algeria, Tunisia, lebanon had 100% christian populations. Saudi itself was filled with pagans, jews and christians. Unfortunately, when a sword is at someones throat, people succumb and convert, and continue the chain. Indonesia, Malaysia used to have ethnic folk religions. They are all wiped out today.

[@colonelhart5721]

It's like in Hotel California: You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave.

[@cuhurun]

The Turkish woman states 'we need to find progressive ways forward'. The problem is, there is absolutely no progress whatsoever were islam is concerned. The various nations of islam merely emulate western technology, and that is where their progress ends. Sociologically islam is unable to evolve, the reason being, at the moment of it's inception it had reached a point of complete stagnation. Why ? Simply as a result of the limitations and constrictive boundaries of which the fabric of it's theology is formed... it simply denies any chance for sociological 'evolution'. As for the possibility of islam reaching some form of new enlightenment ? Well, it's renaissance occurred around 250 years ago, an 'enlightenment' in the form of wahhabism. Wahhabism being nothing more than a further entrenching and deepening of islamic militant dogma. Thus, what hope is there for reconciliation between islam and the 'free world' ? The answer is, none. Whilst islam exists as a religion the values of 'western society' will always be under threat. The two concepts of society are diametrically opposed. Indeed, they are the very antithesis of one another. Whils islam exists there will never be any hope for peace for the peoples of the free world.

[@debblouin]

The young woman who asked about immigration when things are good vs when things are bad--YES! Of course you can regulate who you allow to settle in your country based solely on whether it benefits your country. It is far less expensive, economically and socially, to give aid to refugees in their countries of origin and neighboring countries which share cultural, political, and social/religious values.

[@restorationofidentity]

well done Douglas Murray for displaying a real genuine sense of truth. I do hope the right wing philosophy will grow in power. We know enough about ww2 to not repeat the same mistake. But at least right wing politics can protect our heritage and common identity.

[@moneymayhem2000]

Good debate but please sack the camera operator. Too many black screens..

[@Whatever-rl9mi]

The black screen interruptions are beyond annoying...

[@_GOD_HAND_]

Gotta dodge those copyright algorithms somehow

[@user-uy1rg8td1v]

@@_GOD_HAND_ They are better ways to do that. They usually just flip the image or put a small frame around the edge.

[@CosmicTeapot]

​@@_GOD_HAND_ It's not to avoid copyright infringement, the channel is Intelligence Squared, they organised and filmed the event, they own this content.

[@eXuo]

Very good host. I was afraid with so many people and so little time things would get a clusterfuck. He kept it together well and gave all enough time.

[@joaoabegao2888]

Welcome to the end of Douglas Murray's patience! Well worth the watch, Douglas is the Alexander von Humboldt of our time.

[@TheRobdarling]

João Abegão I'm not sure I see the relationship other than the fact that Humboldt was probably gay and we know Douglas is which is fine by me that's alright but AH

[@TheRobdarling]

was a scientist well ahead of his time and Douglas's not a scientist in the same way at all, nor is he an explorer, nor does he do botany or ecology... so I'm at a loss to understand the comparison give me an ideaof how you mean...

[@joaoabegao2888]

Rob, I did not intend to put Murray's or Alexander's probable tendencies on the table. My comparison was due to the impact of both work and voice on pioneering subjects. Humboldt is called the last polymath, and Murray can continue the trend, because he has been connecting dots like Humboldt did in his time.

[@Oprey22]

Pioneering subjects? What's original about hating immigration?

[@joaoabegao2888]

I'm glad you have been exposed to it for so long and have the privilege of knowing other voices of discent in the matter. For those of us who are beginning to experience it look at Douglas in the first place.

[@GodinhoVideos]

The fact that there are three debaters anti-globalism in a IQsquared debate is a great sign. We are changing the narrative.

[@freethought6135]

we are indeed, except they own the media so the story goes unreported

[@RobSinclaire]

Thank you Douglas Murray

[@canyonhaverfield2201]

The rooms White Elephant not being recognized...40 yrs. ago the issue of global over population & declining natural resources, species extinction, unemployment & zero attention to a sick environment, global warming...all leading to instability. Yet we wait, procrastinate, deny, turn a blind eye & rush ahead to reach this point, where quiet frankly, we've without any space to turn conditions around. The mold has been cast..

[@theodorearaujo971]

Why would any nation with a generous social welfare system encourage or allow the immigration of illiterate people who do not speak the language and who will likely be permanent recipients of welfare in an age of Artificial Intelligence and globalization which will soon (within the decade?) lead to very high and permanent unemployment and low growth for industrialized nations?

[@creepincreeper9836]

How does A.I. and globalization cause low Economic growth? I'd agree with it causing unemployment, but wouldn't A.I. increase economic output similar to how computers did when they were first invented?

[@kevsamuelsdiedwafathookeri2254]

Merkel seems to think some or most of those Islamic refugees progeny will assimilate and one day become the primary labor force in a future industrial Germany. A lofty and altruistic thought on her part but where the rubber meets the road what is to become of the former German people who get displaced by this? Also, at least in the interim it does not appear to be working as most of the Islamic refugees in Germany tend to self-segregate, not attend school and have little interest in working at all, much less in high industry. In short, you put a Leftist-globalist utopian thinker like Merkel in charge of the EU's primary economic engine, you get the expected result.

[@adammohamadali1891]

Seems very uneducated and false of you to say that people from Africa, MiddleEast, and Asia are illiterate and uneducated. Last I checked 70% of all welfare receive are native born members of the country, it makes no logical sense to say that these people will permanently remain on Welfare. As a matter of fact, a massive portion of the immigrants come to the country and find low income jobs, raising their kids in an educated and supportive environment which often times causes the children of foreign born immigrants to be on average 42% more likely to have higher income jobs. Idk man, seems to me you just are bigoted with no logical reason and that your rant about globalization and AI had nothing to do with any of this.

[@davidhawley1132]

@@creepincreeper9836 AI is the logical development of computers. It will continue to leverage the intelligence of an increasingly small group of people to gain an increasing slice of the economic pie.

[@JakeJustIs]

Well done Mr. Murray. A clear, evenly-delivered case for revising Europe's immigration strategy in a way that reduces risk and addresses the current growing problem.

[@RKIC]

"we haven't been able to given them an identity that they can share into" Nice sophistry, the only identity they are interested in sharing is their own theological one.

[@keithbentley6081]

I know, a grown woman actually came out with that.

[@MaybeTheBest]

The lady from Turkey must be a government approved writer, free speech activist.

[@ep1929]

How can any wokeist dismiss Douglas Murray's spot on observations?

[@mel3004]

Should be thankful they have someone like him.

[@davidgill2949]

Popularism is anything the elite's don't like and the ordinary people want. . The Turkish case is invalid in respect to Popularism. The Turkish situation is a reversal of the secular state and the re-establishment of an Islamic state NOT Popularism in the sense the elites consider it to be. What watch happens to Turkey!

[@dannychurch7223]

You would never see this on MSM.

[@scatton61]

I agree that there not all muslims are the same and that there are many who are peaceful and just want to live their lives. The trouble I have is that it is hard to tell, just by looking at them, who is going to shake my hand and who wants to blow it off! And to be honest it much easier to be sceptical because i can only be wrong once with the latter

[@whatevergoesforme5129]

Colonial rule may be blamed but the Hindus from India are not the ones blowing themselves up in the name of Allah. It is more about the truth that Islam is an ideology so it is more political than religious. In the Philippines, for example, the Muslim rebels in Mindanao wants to have their own Islamic state. Muslims find it hard to assimilate. So it is not about colonization but the stand of Muslims on Shariah Law. They would like others to follow their ideology because they think they are right and they are willing to die and kill for their beliefs.

[@Jessica-zy5bp]

Douglas Murray intellectually massacred the leftists on stage.

[@einseele]

The only truly brave and skilled intelectual here is Douglas Murray

[@ronschuddeboomdigiscoping3693]

…..and 6 years later, Geert Wilders won the elections 🤣🤣

[@Vveljac]

Humans are made of water, i had no idea. Thanks liberal lady for this piece of wisdom.

[@SandraLewisfocus1]

Why don't they care about their own nations???

[@tomaszfalkowski7508]

When talking about European immigration there has never been a massive migration from out of Europe into Europe and the most common type of immigration was Western European and Eastern European integration. European integration included Slavic countries, Nordic countries Spanish and Portugal but still are not foreign to the European continent.

[@Trinmulin9]

I completely agree with Douglas Murray.

[@RashidKapadia]

It is a pleasure to watch and listen to this discourse. Excellent job by moderator! Thanks to all for creating and sharing these programs. Passion for one position is laudable and human. Nonetheless equanimity is more essential and more important than passion. Please keep creating and sharing more of this superb content.

[@unknownid7048]

1:04:30 I like that this is addressed for once especially when it comes to the immigrant phase in Germany: after only a few weeks and months there were more _north-african_ than syrian "asylum-seekers" trying to get into the country. they were not affected by the war in Syria at all but tried to leech off this tragedy. I talked with somebody about it who worked in a center which asserts personal IDs of asylum seekers. these people were mainly men with north-african heritage and they simply claimed to be Syrians but had "lost all their belongings and papers". the law at first required government workers to allow them short-term permission until formalities can be figured out. Merkel is just not capable of planning in a time of crisis. she is not qualified for such an important task as being chancellor. she just enjoys being in charge, that's easy to see if you realize that she always changes her opinion whenever she might fall out of favour with the people. because not risking her next election is the only thing she really stands for! and the German people don't see any better alternatives than her, unfortunately. every election it's the same bunch of lawyers/bankers/clerks applying for government offices - the true intellectual people rather prefer making their money in the private sector and who would blame them for it ... Germany is stagnating because of lobbyist-out-of-touch governors (for generations now)

[@TheHtetWint]

Claiming that the European project was in no way responsible for the longest period of peace in Western Europe since the Roman times is like saying the vaccine for smallpox was in no way responsible for eradicating smallpox. It's a rather foolish prism to view the situation...

[@drwhatson]

Maybe - when it was simply a trading bloc. Now they want a European Army all the way to Ukraine. That won't go down well with Russia.

[@kohvazein7798]

Daddy Douglas! Glad I clicked now.

[@bogdan78pop]

So now you copy Milo?? No personality of your own...??

[@cuhurun]

bogdan, what are you grinding on about, eh ? You seriously believe Douglas Murray has no personality ? For fk sake, wake the Hell up ! Although Milo is an intelligent person, Murray is academically leagues ahead.

[@Generalscorpio]

bogdan wasn't criticising Murray, they were criticising Kohvazein for using the word "Daddy".

[@mabaker]

You neo nazis have some kind of fascination with daddies. Why dont you just fuck them then if you love them so much? You mindless, brainless racist worms.

[@gordonbradley199]

denisdrennan " Back to the dessert " ? ROFL !

[@maxxwellbeing9449]

If it was on the edge 6 years ago…has it fallen?

[@louaceveu1925]

As a Spaniard living in California I am just so fed up with this kind of talk. I remember very well how Europe was in the 60's and 70's. Europe has done very well on its own. 50 years of negative press saying that the European Union was going to be a total disaster, the Euro a total failure, the European industrial complex with the Airbus, German auto industry, Arianne Rockets and other industrial adventures were deemed as foolish with no chances of survival. Well, the reality is entirely different, the main business partner of the USA and the main business partner of China is Europe. The Euro is one of the best (If not the best) and more stable currencies in the world. The most visited and admired continent in the world is Europe and the list goes on and on. The fact of the matter is a very old principle of "Let's talk about them, therefore; they will never talk about us". I just have to remind some of this people of another saying "Never spit on the hand that feeds you"

[@bluntintro6435]

Douglas Murray: The rich man's Tommy Robinson. I'm a Murray fan.

[@barryoffeastenders]

Kris Don't cheapen him with that title... He's almost filled the hole left behind by Hitchens

[@nachannachle2706]

+emayteete Please don't liken a deep, analytical and dispassionate thinker like Mr Hitchens to this pathetic excuse of a journo called D. Murray. As a libertarian nihilist, I disagree with a lot of the antitheist crusades that Mr Hitchens used to instigate here and there depending on his appetite for controversy, but I eminently respect his rational mind unclouded by populisms and fades of current affairs. D. Murray is a wannabe, just like many others who are jumping hysterically like vultures around on the warm corpses of the victims of recent terrorist attacks in GB/UE. They have done very little to elevate the debate to new avenues for reflections nor do they propose an all-encompassing perspective on the question of religion they so often like to yap about. D Murray is only interested in becoming a celebrity and selling his books, given that the current GB government is no longer able to pay him for propaganda articles.

[@arttusiukonen9790]

Nachannachle I must agree to you to certain degree. I've also got the sense that D.Murray is kind of an opportunist when it comes to terrorism attacks and seems to just carry the backlash from these attacks to Islam. It's right that he doesn't seem to make such deep, and thoughtful comments about religion in general and it's relation in secular democracies. Yet, he is a very good argumentator, and debater and can mae his points across very well. So, you get this almost kind of little bit of illusion he is as sharp as Mr. Hitchens but then again when you listen Hitchens debates he is a lot more thoughtful and seems to have wider knowledge of religion and more philosophical and deeper approach to these issues.

[@nativebritannicislander7150]

He's perhaps the thinking mans Tommy Robinson. But that is really an insult to Murray, Robinson is a Gatekeeper making sure that the drivers of multiculturalism are not exposed. Who is funding this movement and what is the actual goal?

[@MarkRai-ko1sk]

@@barryoffeastenders Found the 'I'm better than you middle class elitist'.

[@fisterklister]

The last applause was undeserved. The comparison between catholic and islamic terrorism was total nonsense.

[@nubl3718]

MURRAY ON FIRE

[@cyrusol]

Your defense is terrified, Murray's on fire!

[@Butmunch666]

46:34 - Look at the face on Douglas Murray, he is just astonished at her stupidity.

[@Zinner222]

Unfortunately, Western Europe is lost. They could've.so easily stood up to the EU, but decided not to. As a consequence the EU will take over Europe and tell them all what they can and cannot do. Any country that tries to leave, will be destroyed. European commission could not care less about anyone or anything but itself

[@bangfarang]

AND IS THAT WHAT BRITS TOLD EACH OTHER IN WWII'S BOMB SHELTERS? "Just by all of you being here, and this debate going ahead, is, I think, a sign of our collective determination to defy those who would stop us having these conversations, and instead to keep on." -the moderator above

[@seanmacsweeney2985]

Excellent debate, didn’t always agree with everything everyone said, but enjoyed it immensely

[@maherbarakat6918]

Calling Le Pen a fascist is as nuanced as a calling Trump a Nazi.

[@measl]

*Douglas Murray speaks for **_me,_** and I am a [retired] **_Muslim!_*

[@newweaponsdc]

Spoiler alert: Douglas Murray launches intellectual torpedoes, no one can argue intelligently with him.

[@paololuckyluke2854]

21:30. “...and Le Pen did well where there were not refugees”, uhm, would you expect her to do well in areas where immigrants are the majority?

[@voxer99]

1:07:16 To paraphrase Christine Ockrent, "Young Muslims have committed terrorist acts in Britain and France but it's not as bad as it seems because they're British and French citizens, not migrants. And anyway, it's our fault for not giving them an identity that they can share into (?). These terrorist acts are the result of an ideology, not a religion, not Islam." Douglas is right: we're doomed.

[@paulroos8658]

Populism is simply politicians who listen to the populace.

[@lucianofreire1848]

DOUGLAS MURRAY !!!!!!

[@Karlopapa]

The Italian guy has no idea what he is talking about. The expression on Douglas's face says it all.

[@vincer7824]

This interview was six years ago and many of the same problems, and cowardice to address them directly has gotten even worse.

[@whysoserious6478]

Yes, it’s seems that since this was aired, France has fallen under Maccron. The yellow vest movement has shown just how out of touch he was with the French citizens.

[@iducatifan1]

The Frenchwoman is in another universe.