Evaluating The Shadow Systems XR920

[@holosun_josh]

I get that you don't like Holosun as a brand, and that is totally fine, but you broke the 507COMP on the 46th rack off of a hard surface and are acting like an SRO or any other competition focused optic wouldn't have done the same thing.

[@brandon.wombat]

Dont worry, I've broken two SROs in two months lol We should be dropping a social media video showing one.

[@MrRhsmike189]

I think once you add the Jagerworks shield for the SRO, it's in a different class of durability.

[@brandon.wombat]

@@MrRhsmike189 I broke an SRO with the Jagerworks shield and another one with the Arise. The SRO is very fragile, even with help.

[@MrRhsmike189]

@brandon.wombat damn! That's not comforting at all. Definetly have me re-thinking my investment. I would love a video (not sure if you have) on your experiences with pistol dots, best uses. Duty, competition, tactical games, home defense, truck gun etc.

[@TheDriversPerspective]

I’m over the Holosun hate. They make great stuff for 99.9% out there. All I buy.

[@justinreid7459]

Something you guys should definitely have mentioned with shadow systems especially given your civilian defense branded ideology (which i agree with). Shadow is the only firearms company truly going after that ideology in how they do business. It's the sole reason i switched to shadow exclusively for real use case. There are tons of good custom guns out there from the factory. Two things shadow brings to the table besides the guns... 1. Their lifetime warranty is for the life of the gun. Not the owner. So if you lass the guns on as an heirloom, the warranty remains. 2. Most importantly, if you ever use the gun in self defense and the gin is takrn for evidence, send them a copy of the police report. They send you a new one of the model you had. No one else does this. Thats supporting the second amendment. Especially for those of us on extremely tight budgets. I saved for a year for my shadow xr920 set up and its amazing knowing that if the worst should happen, they have my back

[@Justforfun-ek7et]

Did not know that was policy for them, that’s is incredible.

[@justinreid7459]

@@Justforfun-ek7et yea. Gives me a lot of confidence in a company who's willing to truly support their users

[@YELLTELL]

YEP! I WANTED A CUSTOM GUN FROM THE FACTORY! SHADOW SYSTEMS OFFERS THAT AT A GREAT PRICE! I HAVE OVER 7,000 RDS THROUGH MY DR920 WARPOET NOT ONE ISSUE ITS A SEWING MACHINE. ALSO THE BEST LOWEST MOUNT BECAUSE U DONT NEED MOUNTING PLATES, SO U DONT NEED THE SILLY SUPPRESOR HEIGHT SIGHTS...

[@adrena4770]

Agreed! Shadow Systems is fantastic!!! I do love my Zev oz9 however. Also SOLGW offers the same policy as far as defense use for one of their rifles!

[@justinreid7459]

@@adrena4770 i was not aware on sons of liberty. Thanks for that info

[@leaningfree]

Just as an aside, the Holosun 507 Comp is a competition optic, not a duty optic. It was never designed to be "duty ready". The 507/407C, on the other hand, can easily survive the tests you put them through. Those are duty optics. Now, whether you want to buy Chinesium is a different issue completely, but I don't think it is fair to blame the 507 Comp for breaking, as it was not designed for duty use.

[@TTime685]

Came to say the same thing.. 🤦🏼‍♂️

[@ChristopherGoydich-cb6bd]

The 509T is the only duty optic they sell which competes with Aimpoint and trijicon.

[@Captaininsanoelmo]

My thoughts exactly, and of course your not going to hold zero without the correct mounting configuration. I really like the shadow system line up but I feel like they are a little over priced.

[@BlindViking]

I have had a shadow for a few years and had no issues running it hard. Value for money it's great

[@unmaykr117]

I absolutely love my XR920 elite model with a afterburner and RMR HD, 4000 rounds later and I’ve had 0 malfunctions. The direct mount cut is great, I’ll only be buying SS guns when I want a Glock style gun.

[@iicashiiv790]

Might as well buy a real Glock I have both and I would trust my Glock over my shadow

[@unmaykr117]

@@iicashiiv790 I had a 19 gen 5 before getting my shadow, and ended up getting rid of it after about 800 rounds and getting my XR920. I don't have anything against Glock, if you trust that more than anything else that's fine. There's a reason they are the king of pistols and SS made a clone of a Glock and not another brand's gun.

[@andershilmo1866]

@@unmaykr117I had a gen 3 Glock got rid of it had a ss got ride of it as well. Most likely will build a nomad defense or zev project next.

[@unmaykr117]

@@andershilmo1866to each their own brother! I hope you are happy with your new project no matter what direction you choose

[@johnlatzke3631]

I’m sorry for your loss

[@out_of_headspace]

I’ve got an MR920 Foundation the a holosun EPS and TLR7A that I’ve run HARD in several competitions throughout the year. Shadows guns are great, never a single issue with mine, and it’s always shot well with everything I’ve put through it from defensive ammo to factory remans to subs suppressed… it just runs.

[@True_Patriotx]

TRex Arms Shadow System Slide? Awesome.

[@david_62708]

I don't understand why you would test a 507 comp that way. That's not a duty optic. It's in the name "comp". It's for competition.

[@wtfmrkratos]

Exactly. Pretty brain dead decision.

[@cliffphotographs]

………..it’s a red dot

[@wtfmrkratos]

@@cliffphotographsit’s designed for competition. In competition we don’t slam our optics into metal barriers/walls etc to rack the weapon. Holosun has an array of duty mounted optics that will do absolutely fine in that use case.

[@Isaac-e9l]

Because fune

[@cornbeef2128]

What do you define as “duty”?

[@chopinisyourruler]

My brother in Christ, repeat after me: “compared to a Glock”, rather than, “comparatively to a Glock”.

[@TheMikeshannon]

Being someone who uses holosun but doesnt have any brand loyalty or need any purchase confirmation, its awesome watching the holosun haters vs the holosun fanboys

[@gansior4744]

Optics war

[@AEGISDEFENSE]

We loved the XR920P after we reviewed it. I picked it up as my new range sidearm. Great platform.

[@LDSJ005]

love seeing brandon developing that on screen persona as time goes on, he seems a lot more confident

[@brandonmcmahan4080]

Their pistols are based off the Gen 4. If you guys partner with them I'd like to see slides that can work on newer Gen 5 frames.

[@jackwicker]

I've put around 25k rounds through shadow systems pistols, and i have a little under 20k rounds through my main DR920. I actually ended up making Master in USPSA CO with my DR920. The shooting experience itself has been pretty great with a few caveats. With the exception of the DR920P, i've had a lower malfunction rate with shadow systems pistols than with glock pistols. Unfortunately, i feel like the mechanical accuracy of my main gun may have started to degrade after ~19k rounds or so, which isn't the biggest deal in the world, but is annoying when I'm trying to shoot steel targets at long range for fun. My only other complaint is that ive had a few parts breakages. The magazine release beveled off and stopped retaining magazines at around 9.5k. i believe this is because they specced the polymer for pmags rather than oem glock mags. I also had locking block pins shear in half at 11.5k and 14.5k rounds. Fortunately, on gen 4 style designs, the pin serves a redundant function, and the gun was still operational in each case. I've seen other owners complain of similar issues, which leads me to believe that there may be quality control / metallurgy issues with the frame pins.

[@dar5647]

My dr920p mag catch had the same problem at 600 rounds. You could seat a mag, but a single shot would drop it out. Warrantied and sold because thats pathetic at less than 1k rounds.

[@jackwicker]

@@dar5647 I just replaced the mag release with a $3 OEM Glock release and it's been perfect ever since

[@dar5647]

@@jackwicker i also bought a new glock mag catch, but the gun also jammed so much that i thought it wasnt worth wasting the part on the gun. In the first 200 rounds, it was difficult to get through a mag without a jam. In the first 100, it was difficult to go 3 shots without a jam. It never got better than 1 in 100 failure to go into battery. All of that only to have a catastrophic failure sub 1k rounds is just pathetic tbh. I can forgive the jams a little because its a comped gun and i was just using factory 115 grain. But the mag catch is indicative of serious qc problems. It seems many others echo a lot of qc problems from shadow systems. If I was in procurement for a police or military agency, i would not allow shadow systems to be used as a duty gun. Its a shame because when it worked, it was a dream to shoot. Shame it was really just a pos.

[@jackwicker]

@@dar5647 unfortunately the dr920p is especially finicky. I stopped having malfunctions with my non-comped shadow systems guns after a couple hundred rounds, but the DR920P took at least 500 rounds before it was remotely reliable with anything other than hot 124gn ammo. As it stands, it's relatively reliable, but it will occasionally choke on the remanufactured stuff that my non comped, regular dr920s love.

[@dar5647]

@@jackwicker ive had such a bad experience with the one gun that ive kind of sworn off comps in general, and ive certainly sworn off shadow systems. I know others who work at other gun stores than the one i worked at who see failures with them all the time. A brief browse through this comments section will show you a plethora of people who had issues. zev is the only other company i know of that charges so much for terrible qc. Zev has such bad qc, that statement alone should be taken as a massive insult to ss. I quit selling shadow systems guns unless the customer specifically asked for it. If someone asked me my opinion on ss, id tell them they are an overpriced glock that doesn't work as well. Many of the other gun store workers i know have adopted the same attitude toward ss. Just buy a glock and have it stippled and milled. You might still come out less than ss.

[@devinc5160]

Swapping back to Glock I switched to ss a year ago and after having to switch out all the pins and locking blocks and not trusting them I figured I’d go back to a platform I knew wouldn’t potentially fail was part of the ss owners group and the amount of complaints on pins frames cracking etc feels like the right choice and I’m actually looking forward to range time again

[@Nick--_]

FYI, You blured the license plate in some parts but forgot in others.

[@freddieortiz8458]

Glad you mentioned the extractor weakness. I have about 7k rounds through mine and I have to replace the spring. It was expected but I will say it was pretty weak when I removed it to replace. It clearly took a beating but similar to Glock, the parts aren't expensive and readily available. Overall pretty good pistol after break-in period.

[@nicoz8796]

He is actually sped, SRO would break too, so doesn’t matter.

[@prophetvoluntaryist4945]

Lmao 😂

[@MinimumSpeedOperator]

Yeah optics are GLASS! Not meant to get in a boxing match with a conex box.

[@boomee78]

Ypu gus completly miss the point

[@nicoz8796]

@@boomee78Miss what? I have SRO, Acro P2. 509T, RMR HD and 507Comps.... Out of all the SRO is a soy boi lol

[@tylerreece4104]

Maybe try the 508t, 509, or eps models? The 507 competition has a really nice large window for range or competition shooting, although it sacrifices the ability to be a melee weapon!😂

[@MrRhsmike189]

Great overview man! Had a blast competing with you at Tactical Games Maxton, NC. Was like the surface of the sun out there!

[@brandon.wombat]

I feel like I'm still recovering from that match lol

[@MrRhsmike189]

Lol, same, I should be nice and healed up just in time to destroy myself again at Lauren's, SC lol.

[@johnm5131]

I note too, as someone who has both SROs and 507comps, I am pretty sure the Holosun is their competition model, not their tactical model. Just something to note.

[@kdb1891]

I'm so psyched you made this video. I've been trying to make up my mind between a G45 and an XR920 for so long. This didn't really help me at all, but it was super cool to see one of the guns I'm considering in so much detail. I'm probably just gonna end up getting both of them anyway lol

[@Boneheaddiesel1]

I've had both of them and I prefer the G45 as I'll admit I'm a Glock guy but I do like how the 920 shoots. For me tho the G45 balances better in my hands and the trigger I put the 3.5 lbs trigger spring kit in the gen5 and man it pulls so nice. So depends on what you are doing but they are both good guns, it just easier tho to get upgrades for the Glock.

[@kdb1891]

@@Boneheaddiesel1 yeah the upgrades part has me sort of leaning towards the Glock. I’m a huge AR15 guy and I’m always swapping things around on my rifles so I’d love to be able to have a handgun that I can do stuff like that with. But then again, the XR920 already comes with a lot of the things I’d want to upgrade if I got the Glock - flared magwell, undercut trigger guard, etc etc Either way, like I said, I’m probably gonna end up with both of them. I have a ton of rifles so I might as well get a ton of handguns too lol

[@Boneheaddiesel1]

@@kdb1891 yeah I get it as I do some gunsmithing on the side ( mostly ar15 and Glock ) but your right it never hurts to have a couple of options 😉

[@tylerreis7627]

Just buy the real fucking thing. Shadow systems are cheap af and you will have issues. Parts compatibility sucks. If you want to Gucci out a Glock just do it yourself

[@devinc5160]

@@tylerreis7627switching back to glocks after having constant pins walking locking block that wiggles in the frame it’s a pretty gun but nvr had issues with the glock

[@zak-o-lantern]

Good to hear all of this. Gave me just a little more confidence in Shadow Systems.

[@oskar6661]

You should read the comment section. Shadow Systems is not all roses.

[@mrdark9916]

All I know is I've had the same mr920 Elite since pretty soon after they came out. Since then I have well over 10,000 rounds through it (I have 2 now for quite a while). My thread protector has long since Worn off the coating and now looks like polished tin rather than bronze 😂. It has had the same 507c the whole time which is now so scuffed up half the black paint is gone. I once dropped it from chest height STRAIGHT onto the optic straight on a boulder while hiking, another time when to set it on the counter and it fell off onto the hardwood floor again straight on the optic. I've smashed it, bashed it (unintentionally. I don't try to abuse my equipment but that's just how things go) and not only has it never given me any problems, but I have not touched the optic a single time since the day I bought it. The day I put it on and zeroed it for 124gr +P Federal HSTs is the last time I touched it. Still shoots as good as the day I got it, and has never lost zero or backed a screw out ect. The gun has long ago earned my complete trust, and so has the 507c in particular. I have a 509T offset on my rifle as well for the past couple years, been totally fine as well. That's my experience. Take it for what it's worth.

[@meee175]

I run a Steiner MPS on my MR920. I thought I'd hate the toaster optic, but I love it. It's a tie between the Steiner and the Delta Point Pro as my favorite.

[@CHW-ho3gw]

A neighboring agency issued Shadow Systems with RMRs to their speciality teams. It’s whatever model is comparable to the G45. One issue we saw was the baseplate on the factory mags were a struggle to strip when doing failure drills, however Vickers Tactical baseplates worked great in it. I think they originally sent Magpul mags which were terrible and they all switched to Glock factory mags. I also agree on the black out sights because they also had ameriglo green high vis sights which weren’t great with the RMR.

[@f308gtb1977]

In my experience with several of them, their comped guns don’t run, but their standard ones do very well.

[@NotAMathAsian]

Thanks for all this testing... Didn't cost me a dime (except for all the cool gear I buy from y'all!)

[@venton3]

Gen 5 19/19X/45 slide with the mounting system the XR920 has please! My XR920 Foundation has been an excellent pistol so far. I mainly bought it for the frame and it is really nice. Only about 1200 rounds in so far but it hasn’t had a single issue with a wide variety of ammunition. I’m a fan.

[@jstone530]

We had no malfunctions…but we had break in “stuff” (light primer strikes) but no malfunctions… if you get a click when you should get a bang on a loaded pistol, and it’s not the shooter’s fault, that’s a malfunction.

[@Tallguy03]

The Radian Guardian has an option for the Holosun comp. It reinforces the front so that the glass is protected from racking the optic.

[@Kalbee]

Note about the holosun. You have a competition sight. The regular 507k duty red dot does NOT protrude and I have rocked one for a couple years now and it is scratched and dinged up pretty good all in the housing but the glass is still perfectly fine. Admittedly I dropped it out of my truck 2 times now both times landing on the optic on pavement from 3+feet. Needless to say I don’t keep my gun In the door card anymore for my drives home.

[@guppy1911]

I will definitely be buying a slide when the time comes. The 507comp is literally a competition optic it’s in the name. Use a 508t or 509t. You even said it wasn’t a fair comparison on the xr920 and Glock 17 because of size and then use a competition optic as a duty optic.

[@Osprey1994]

People need to relax about the Holosun. People have already proven it's a tough optic and cops have them on their guns...buy one, enjoy it, and stop complaining when people test an optic. Vortex Defender looks nice too, I might get one after some more research PS. For those really concerned, check out the video where Thunder Ranch discusses which brand of red dot has faired the best at their facility. They've had Holoson's go through round counts that most people reading this will only dream about. I just have forward mounted irons partially because I prefer having my dot as far back as possible.

[@notomatoesbbq]

Why on earth does Glock refuse to maintain production of the RTF2 textured frames? It is by far the best factory glock grip texture amd quite frankly better than most stipple jobs..

[@inferninx]

Because the texture on the RTF2 frame wears out faster. I have a RTF2 frame for my G17, and while it is amazing, the grip texture had started to fade away and smooth over after a lot of hard use. Its also not fun to IWB carry with it because the texture is very aggressive and abrasive, and it has rubbed my skin raw more than once. Personally I think they should use a wrap around semi aggressive texture similar to the M&P guns for more surface area, but that all requires retooling and added cost in molds.

[@M3dc565]

My experience with my own Shadow Systems Mr920 Elite is that I sent mine back for light primer strikes. I still get them with Armscor, I'm still testing to find out if it's a ammo thing or not (I believe it to be).

[@baileyborden8243]

I have a Compensated DR920 with a Holosun 507C x2 and both the gun and optic are solid as a rock I have 5,000-6,000 rounds through it and have yet to have any issues with either one. Glocks are good by all means not bashing them bc I’ve owned them myself but they have nothing on Shadow

[@JRN5.0]

I'd definitely purchase a Trex Arms Glock slide. Gen 5 💯

[@Gunnar_Brammer]

100% if T-Rex has SS slides for Gen 3, 4, and 5 I’m down! I have a MR920 and love it. Would be great to get a dot for my G19 as well

[@hunterprokurat9909]

Ive been daily carrying a DR920P (yes i trust a compensated gun) and having put 2-3k rounds on it in the last few months and so far here is my take. i love how strong the mounting screws are they go very deep, it is incredibly accurate with the right load (ProCastBullet co 148 swc) i have had sub 3 inch 10rd group at 20 yards offhand. It is a very lightweight gun (pro and con) it weighs the SAME as my gen 5 glock 19 (no light no optic) with an rmr and a tlr1 hl on it which is incredible. I wish the stippling was a bit more aggressive. And the big con of the mounting system is that they have a proprietary extractor system so they can have the long screws meaning you need to remove your optic to clean the extractor which kinda sucks. The trigger however was able to be modified (gunsmithing) to have a nice wall especially for a striker fired gun but its much heavier than my stock 19 and both are high polished trigger groups and again gunsmith work. a bit of a niche point is that the front tritium sight is very bright to the point where night shooting is almost difficult without using a weapon light and ofc it completely blows out my pvs 14 lol but other than that its been a great firearm.

[@ianaquila1858]

One think I liked about the Shadow Systems was the length and depth of the screws for the optic mounting system. FAR superior to MOS

[@oskar6661]

Any optic mount is superior to Glock MOS style, lol.

[@a.juarez9770]

I shoot the DR920L in USPSA and did not have any issues so far. I really like the optic system and the stipple on the frame. If you offer the slide on T-Rex, please make sure to offer the combat/ elite version instead of the foundation. The serrations are far better.

[@limasierraone7107]

I would definitely like to see a T-Rex Arms and Shadow Systems collaboration!

[@devonrichards6920]

I've broken three firing pins on my 920 just in dry firing wanna love it though

[@finalkill44]

I had a War poet MR920 I wanted to love it but with only 500 rounds throw it . I started encountering problems. The pins keeping the trigger together started coming out. The gun quite literally started falling apart of my hands. I had to send it back twice, but they never fixed my issue. Eventually sold it and got myself a Cz shadow 2 instead.

[@samhogan6347]

I would mention that this is the foundation series of Shadow, they have an elite version that comes with more features

[@CiviTac]

Yep. I think the elite is where the value is. Although the best part of a shadow systems handgun is the frame imo. It makes a huge difference

[@samhogan6347]

@@CiviTac Exactly, that is why I own multiple shadows and have been "lucky" with not having issues. I really think the issues were because they were new, but now that is the title they have to deal with

[@iiscd5970]

I would love to have a slide that is stripped of branding. I've had an XR920 for a while and just picked up a Shadow Systems gen 3 slide for a build on a different glock clone frame. I don't mind the Shadow System branding too much, but if something more plain had been an option I would have gone with that. I was after the optic cut and reliability that I've had with my XR920, but don't care for the ports in the slide. Only reason I'm building a clone is I prefer a larger grip than what is on the Shadow Systems gun. Wanted something larger front to back that put the trigger on the pad of my finger naturally.

[@oskar6661]

I hope other people have better luck with Shadow Systems than I did. Unfortunately my early CR920 had to go back for a new barrel under 500 rounds, has really poor fit/finish, and a terrible trigger. It has the 'nose dive' of the slide as well when firing. Unfortunately between my shooting group everyone hates shooting it. It's now another 1000+ rounds through it after the new barrel - and that solved the excessive failures it was having, so it's reliable now...but that's about it. Maybe it's just an absolute turd/lemon...but it stopped two of my buddies from buying Shadow Systems guns when they were considering them.

[@TROY-MCCLURE-1991]

They're really hit or miss.

[@brettspencer892]

When did you get it?

[@oskar6661]

@@brettspencer892 It was one of the early launch editions of the Warrior Poet CR920.

[@dar5647]

My mag catch broke at 600 rounds

[@logant5552]

If you’re looking to let it go lmk. Been looking for one and seems like you’d let it go for a deal

[@RedZeppelinAirship]

So if TRex did have their own line of Glock slides, what generations and models would they be for? I think if they made a Glock 49 slide for G19.5 pistols, that would be a nice alternative slide for a regular G19 to swap around.

[@chap23305]

Lots of issues with Shadow Systems in my circles. All Glock guys who switched to Shadows. After a couple of frustrating years, they have all switched back to stock Glocks.

[@RedressNow]

same here. Firing pin broke at 500 rounds. Replaced it. 500 rounds later..snapped in half again. Garbage.

[@chap23305]

@@RedressNow I really hope they did their research on this one...

[@armorers_wrench]

Same. Lots of QC issues and long term issues that you simply won't encounter with a Glock.

[@JonCMarino]

They should not do this.

[@eddiepereira9628]

Same experience. Bought a DR920 for duty use thinking it would replace my G17. Wrong!!!! Had trigger reset problems within the first 100 rounds. I had prior history of getting shitty parts for SS i.e. broke two firing pins dry firing them. I sold the DR920 back to the shop at a lost and got me a new G17 never looked back. To SS I say "Dez Nutz". Over priced and no way better than a Gen 5 Glock.

[@DanTheWolfman]

Interested in these. Hoping it vets out will make it my Winter Carry & Security Pistol if I can get some dedicated holsters and Retention. I review tons of pistols but I'm actually excited and don't love Blocks though 100% on file w Gen5 17

[@TheMikeshannon]

My CR920x had 2 stovepipes in the first 350 rounds. More importantly either the breech face was milled by stevie wonder or the slide wasnt heat treated properly. They continued to tell me it looked perfectly normal but they replaced my slide and barrel when it back to them under the preface of the stovepipes. 100 rounds in on the new slide and no issues yet

[@oskar6661]

My CR920 had around 50 various malfunctions in the first 500 rounds. It went back and had a new barrel installed. It's been fine since, but along with some other concerns...it's up for sale. Not impressed. The sad part is that two of my buddies didn't buy Shadow Systems guns they were looking at...due to my gun. That show's how much a bad gun can cost you.

[@TheMikeshannon]

​@oskar6661 absolutely true. Tbh I've wanted to try them out for a while and haven't had any issues with customer guns we've had. This is the first one I've owned

[@logant5552]

They literally put their break in period in the box w the gun. If you wanna let it go hmu I’ll buy it

[@logant5552]

@@oskar6661hit me up I’ll buy it

[@TheMikeshannon]

@logant5552 you realize you just commented in a thread in which both people with issues were past the break in period right?

[@brettspencer892]

I love my shadow systems MR920 Elite/Warrior Poet. I got their port and run a EPS. The only trouble I've had with it was some lite primer strikes after 3,000 rounds but I fixed it with re-aligning the plastic piece around the firing pin. Shadow systems has a great video on how to fix the problem and once you know its no biggie. Also, I got a new firing pin just in case I run into a problem again. Also, you do have soft baby hand Brandon. JK, love you.

[@brewer6338]

loved the video, I do want to point out that the car listens plate is still legable might want to take note next time just in case!

[@mattmccams]

I like my MR920 combat, it’s been a really good gun, only complaint is the finish isn’t as good as OEM glock. (3 years of daily carry and lots of use the finish is going away) other than that good to go and good optics mounting. Got a radian ramjet and a tactical trigger in it and it’s super fun to shoot

[@logant5552]

What holster w ramjet? REALLY wanna get one but I’m struggling with having to throw away my $200 t1C sidecar if I make the move. Best holster I’ve ever had

[@mattmccams]

@@logant5552 if it’s an open bottom then You’re good to go, but for training but it’s a bit warm after a few drills, if you have any glock 17 holsters you’re good to go. I dremmled one of my 19 holsters to carry with it.

[@archerpaintball6822]

My experience with a Shadiw systems: looks really cool, has wirse trigger than standard Glock. Worse accuracy than a Glock. Recoil spring has a screeching sound when racked. Very loose tolerances in barrel and slide fit.

[@danielweissenborn3508]

Thank you for this content. Small feedback, would have enjoyed seeing an EPS beat up like this rather than a 507 comp.

[@stephenkozlowski5524]

Would be very interested in a gen 4 glock 17 slide

[@thomaschanaca3330]

The XR920P is great. The built in comp is legit.

[@davidtadlock2238]

I have an early gen 5 g19 slide WO front serrations and fur some reason don’t want to get it milled to add along with an optic cut. I’d snag a slide in a heartbeat for it if they come up for sale!

[@user-te3qq1rb7u]

It’s always interesting to see in the comments how everyone maintains a comprehensive round count on their guns. Maybe I’m the odd one out but I couldn’t honestly tell you how many rounds I’ve fired through my Glocks.

[@xxxlonewolf49]

So...now repeat the same smashing of the optic with the SRO.

[@brandon.wombat]

Don't worry, I've broken two of them lol and they both had shrouds on them.

[@justsumguy9953]

This is very very exciting. Lemme get a slide with a Trex Skull logo

[@DeltaZuluActual]

I always see Glock and shadow systems, but what about Zev? Can we bring Zev into the picture if we’re comparing clones?

[@CiviTac]

Those will sell like hotcakes. The WPS shadow systems gun is really cool too

[@Trygga_Mike]

Please get shadow systems to have a direct milled ACRO footprint available to consumers. I’ve been trying to get them to do that for almost two years now

[@joshlode9423]

Would love to see a Staccato evaluation from TREX.

[@RepulsefromSD]

That shirt is too good. *Purchased

[@ItsterrenceLa]

Daily carry my MR9820, no failures thru 2k rounds.

[@wcw2793]

Could you guys do an evaluation on the new CZ P-09 Nocturne series?

[@logant5552]

Honest outlaw has a video out on it. Dude LOVES CZ pistols but it didn’t seem to go too well

[@wcw2793]

@@logant5552 I just saw it. Pretty disappointing that it wouldn’t take P-10F mags. Also not a fan of them using the RMSc footprint for the optic cut.

[@rgbroady]

I would rather have a shadow systems frame than a slide personally. I do like Glock gen 5 triggers though after they are broken in

[@grantgarver7520]

It would be cool if shadow systems made a slide that was compatible with all their frames kinda similar to the g19 and g47

[@jonnyl2001]

The 507 Comp is more like an SRO and not the RmR. If you were going to test the return to zero of the slide (only), wouldnt you take the additional factor out and just run the RMR?

[@brandon.wombat]

I meant the footprint is the same as the RMR, not the optic itself. Talking is hard sometimes lol

[@andrewcramer7214]

Please offer FRAMES!!! Their extractor system is sub-par, especially on their cr920 line! On the cr920 it's so bad it's an absolute deal breaker. But they have the very best clone frames on the market, Grit grips are good too but I prefer the fit and finish and ergos of the Shadow Systems. No one retails their frames, PLEASE sell their FRAMES!

[@logant5552]

I’ll buy yours! Been looking for a CR920

[@andrewcramer7214]

@@logant5552 well after I send it in for the 3rd and final time in just 1500 rounds it will be on GunBroker I think. Or I might just take it to an lgs honestly. I wouldn't sell this junk to someone I cared about thats for sure.

[@russdennis7026]

That optic is for competition not carry. Holosun makes a great product!

[@xVMouseVx]

If you are going to test the mounting system, why are you using different optics?

[@millbean13]

Christ I’m so tired of the shit thrown towards holosun. Not everyone can afford a fricking $6-700 optic. What’s the deal with shitting on things made in China? The phone in your pocket, made in China, the cameras you shoot on, maybe made in China but definitely not made here. You can’t walk around your house without finding hundreds of things made in China and other countries. Yes, of course, if there is an option, a GOOD option, to buy American, I’m all for it. But acting like just cause it’s made there it’s somehow a POS is ridiculous. Plus, why the hell you racking a competition pistol optic like that anyway? NO ONE is going to do that? The world is an interconnected place. China has been the world’s factory for the last 50 years from cheap ass labor. Thankfully some of that is changing but this is the whole reason Russia is still able to support a war despite heavy sanctions. The world needs to do business with them regardless. The trope of shitting on holosun is played out and denigrated by people who either don’t understand contemporary commerce or have a personal bias. Blah

[@AB-zn9ht]

The poors are at it again. Womp womp.

[@austinbuck8108]

@@millbean13 interestingly, I CAN afford the expensive optics. No problem. But I actually prefer the feature set of the Holosun optics. I’m running the SCS on my X5 Legion because it has a superior feature set to the DPP (what the Legion is cut for). It’s actually better.

[@travelingspartan2035]

What I think you miss is that Holosun has more direct ties than most to the PLA, and that the gun/gear industry is one of the few left where you get a choice in not buying Chinese.

[@austinbuck8108]

@@travelingspartan2035 Nope. You ALWAYS have a choice to not buy Chinese. Literally always. You just don’t care in other areas. I don’t care at all.

[@travelingspartan2035]

@@austinbuck8108 didn't ask you man, and more importantly that's not the point. If you think I could be doing more to avoid Chinesium while knowing nothing about my life, though, I'm all ears.

[@SkunkApe22]

So does the trex arms team trust holosun optics or not? In your budget red dots video you tossed the HS403r. Then did the same thing with the comp in this video. (I understand it broke) Id like to know if you guys trust them and if not then why? I have used them and had good experiences so far. Any feedback would be awesome!

[@imberaeris6768]

I would go with the Sage Dynamics review for pistol optics. He is a little more objective. I would say the SRO is a better 507comp competitor and it certainly has some fragility issues… because they are comp sights.

[@713KaiWin]

If my feed back is worth anything, i have 8000 rounds through one of my 507 comps on a platypus and have had no issues. I have another one on a glock 17 that has had 4000 rounds through it with the main issue being the battery tray coming loose. Loctited it and the problem fixed. They last for me because i use them for competition and dont rack my slide on a metal bar lmfao

[@armorers_wrench]

​@@713KaiWin Mine has been great so far too. I have about 4k through mine on a Canik Rival(very fun pistol btw, seriously underrated). None of my normal 507c's have given me any issues either and I don't even know what my round count is on those. It's a big number though. I've had them a number of years and I actually do shoot. I will say the dot on my sro is the most crisp dot I have ever owned. it's even better than the red dots on my rifles. when I say crisp I mean it's the only red dot I own that actually looks like a dot. I have a slight astigmatism so all my other dots have a slight tail to them. SRO is noticably cleaner looking.

[@brandon.wombat]

Holosuns work well, we use them and they hold up. I competed in The Tactical Games with this particular 507comp and I used it in this video for the slide racking with zero assumptions that it would break. The Holosun bashing is mostly jokes.. Mostly lol

[@SkunkApe22]

@@brandon.wombat thanks for your thoughts. I was just curious if I was missing something. I always had the opinion/experience that holosun was pretty rugged and reliable considering the cost. Not on par with some of the aimpoint, eotech, and trijicon products out there, but pretty dang good for the price. With that being said there are some aimpoint, trijicon, and eotech products that aren’t that great too in my experience.

[@Win_and_Cal]

when you do offer the trex slide, will trex still offer the zev duty slide?

[@wellsbibo6175]

Shadow Systems pistols are solid, but if push came to shove, I’d still grab one of my Glocks.

[@920WASHBURN]

So shadow is making a trex branded slide for glocks? Is that what's going on here?

[@jakethetake]

Would it’s be something like the war poet shadow systems or just a slide?

[@cliffphotographs]

I think it’s hilarious how many people raced to the comments the second that Holosun glass shattered 😂 I say that as somebody who owns a Holosun. It’s not a big deal. My red dot works great. I’m not personally hurt or attacked. They’re a company who tests product. Don’t treat your kit the way that they do if you’re worried about it breaking 🤙🏻

[@matthewminch5894]

They are just trying to find something to justify their $500-$900 optic choice. I've got 4 Holosuns, beat the crap out of all of them, and they all work great. When I first bought them, I was like well ill just get this for now and upgrade later when the Holosun breaks. That was 4 years ago.

[@brandon.wombat]

@@matthewminch5894 Holosuns work well. I used the 507comp in this video with the complete expectation that it would hold up to the testing demonstration. If the DPP survived, I assumed the 507comp would have.

[@matthewminch5894]

@@brandon.wombat The test doesnt bother me at all. Just funny that when one breaks (and we all know that they all can and will break) folks like to freak out on the brand to prove it sucks. I get some people dont like the origin of manufacturer and would prefer to support US based companies, but just because products are not made in the US doesnt mean they dont work well.

[@bradyclark7185]

irons are for when you forget to change batteries and your red dot dies, because you have 20 something rifles/ pistols with red dots in random places.

[@Kalbee]

Got to buy the war poet pistol and slap the trex slide on it to support all the homies

[@Paulanaterify]

Do the shadow systems optic cut have recoil lugs?

[@liltimmy_42]

Can y’all make a sig video p320 vs p365

[@patrickquinn1330]

Any idea why so many guntubers talk crap on shadow systems? Donut operator, pew view, etc refer to them as the equivalent of “gas station pocket knives” that look cool but are junk. I have a mr920 with over 3000 rounds through it and I love it, no issues whatsoever

[@patrickquinn1330]

I feel like if they cost $4000 they would praise them lol

[@armorers_wrench]

Honestly dude I've met a lot of people at the range who have had serious QC issues with shadow systems. I have no reason to bash them. They do look cool. But I would never buy one because of the issues I've personally witnessed hanging out at the range every weekend for the last 4 years. I haven't seen any "Premium duty" type pistol with as many issues as Shadow Systems.

[@ACGBLR]

I have two, with my friends we have six in total. Small sample, but we have had no issues. We had lubricated the guns during the “break in period” but they have been flawless for us. I don’t trust youtubers, they have an agenda. Probably because Shadow system won’t pay them.

[@oskar6661]

Look at any comment section with a Shadow Systems review...there are quite a few people out there with bad SS guns. That's an easy way to get a crap reputation, particularly when you're charging a premium.

[@aidenstacy3834]

Problem with them is there qc

[@gingerd4321]

So what f you decide to sell them will they be compatible with a Glock frame specifically Glock 19?

[@gingerd4321]

Are shadow systems slides compatible with Glock frames? I have a Glock 19 and been wanting to get it cut for an optic, so would a similar Shadow systems slide fit and function on the g19 frame?

[@logant5552]

To the absolute best of my knowledge if it’s a gen 3 frame it’ll work. Shadow is nearly a direct gen 3, just improved. Honestly though just get an mr920 combat. I put mine through the break in period the day I got it and literally no issues since. Probably 1300 round after break in

[@ben18smith1992]

Will my ragnarok holster for my glock fit a shadow systems weapon, or were you swapping holsters during testing?

[@GMGFORCE1]

My MR920 with comp does fit my Ragnarok…..

[@angreehammer6200]

Seriously, what other outcome from the review did you expect once the video started with “we are making a slide with Shadow Systems?” You could have ended the video there and known how it would end. Did anyone really expect to hear “we are making a slide with Shadow Systems, but their gun sucks?”

[@outoforder6600]

Tbf, shadows are great guns

[@corvoshlorpe3849]

Tbf fair he said they are testing to see if they WANT to make a Trex Arms Shadow Systems slide. Comprehension is an uncommon virtue apparently.

[@andrewescalona654]

@@corvoshlorpe3849 LOL watch again. There would be no video saying we are working with these guys, their guns suck but we might still do a slide with them. No need to white knight for them, they are adults.

[@corvoshlorpe3849]

@@andrewescalona654 they’ve called out bad product before but continue on with your baseless assumptions. No skin off my nose.

[@driftitlikeyouownit]

​@andrewescalona654 sooo glocks suck? 😂😂😂😂 wow..I mean I have the PSA version but they work fine for me

[@timjames4317]

I've only heard negative things about shadow systems. At my local gun shop the Pre-Owned case is filled with these things. Maybe they are making changes but it's an easy pass until more of them are out there doing well.

[@Jmask245]

do the P365 radian ramjet and hellcat pro ported and new smith wesson ported

[@920fist4]

I've got a 507K and a 507C both with 10-15k on them. There was a period of my life I gave the DPP a try. First one was a lemon out of the box. Second one turned off and wouldnt turn back on after getting hot. Third one the glass shattered on a clearance drill. Ive got 10+ Leupold optics from mk5's to vx3s. Tried the mps, electronics board died within 1k on the first one. they replaced it and has been living as an offset for about a year. Long story short, in my small sample size my holosuns have been more reliable than 2 "high end" optics, which i find to be pretty unacceptable.

[@oskar6661]

You're not alone. While we're not abusing them beyond normal range drills, my brother and I have perhaps...15 Holosuns between us? Six pistol optics, and a bunch of the basic dot options. Only been maybe 4-5 years total, but so far not a failure to be seen. Dropped a few rifles on the dots, still good to go. Some rain, some mud, plenty of dust/sand, and they're still working. I have an old 4 MOA Aimpoint T1 still going from 2010(?), so I'm not saying the Holosuns will last that long - but being able to put an optic on all of my rifles/rigs is nicer than being able to afford one 'proper' Aimpoint, etc. I have carried a Holosun on a carry gun (though I don't currently) without fear of failure, etc.

[@brandonrides8953]

Will you evaluate Staccato?

[@johnsalvatore97]

Is it normal to smack the shit outta your optic on metal surfaces? I mean i get in an emergency needing to be able to withstand it a couple times, but 50 times? In what situation would you be slamming your optic into metal to rack your slide? I think a competition designed optic, not even duty, being able to withstand the abuse i just witnessed is actually pretty incredible. But i’m new to firearms

[@jonahgsnathan3079]

Patiently waiting for the Sig Macro evaluation?! 😂

[@gansior4744]

Okay, I expected the optic test that people were angry about was light, but no you were smacking it fuckin hard on metal. 507 Comp is still probably the best Comp optic

[@willieluv]

Are you guys going to test that Steiner dot?

[@brandon.wombat]

We did, we actually tried to sell it but some dealer agreement stuff made it impossible.