EVERY Hunger Games VICTOR (That We Know Of)

[@SpammytheHedgehog]

Mags was telling Finnick to look at the camera during the reaping. Because she doesn't want everyone to know that she was Finnick's weakness.

[@FirestarXYZV]

Yeah…❤😢

[@And_Peggy_appreciation]

Mags death broke me

[@gabriels.8101]

Why was Mags his weakness?

[@SeviathTheHumanDrago]

@@gabriels.8101 She was his mentor.

[@tamsinnorth914]

@@gabriels.8101 she mentored him and was a mother figure from the age of 14 since he won ect. He would’ve protected her with his life :(

[@TheEvilChocolateCookie]

By my calculation, every single district 12 Victor did something to make the capital absolutely furious at least once

[@ArsonTheShroom]

wait that's so true-

[@Youngbloodd2]

what did the one before Haymitch do?

[@TheEvilChocolateCookie]

@@Youngbloodd2 if you haven’t read the prequel, I’m not going to answer that because it would be a massive spoiler

[@Fayle_Ross]

​@@Youngbloodd2 it's explained in prequel, "The Ballad of songbirds and snakes", when Lucy Gray wins by cheating

[@stevendrumm4957]

She didn't really cheat though. Snow cheated on her behalf.

[@29jemo]

Just imagine how sweet old Mags was a vicious competitor if she won her hunger games with a fishing hook of all things related to fishing.

[@julesb2415]

And that's why we love her

[@syp123]

that's so gangster. if she wasn't so sweet, she could've easily been the kind of person to say "I could kill a room full of men from 20 yards away using nothing but a fishing hook" flex

[@mdr8333]

she also career

[@jesstouhill1625]

The second time she went in. According to the video the Careers began around the 20th hunger games… her original one was the 11th

[@ancermet4754]

@@mdr8333careers weren’t a thing during Mag’s time

[@eurika297]

Joanna Mason's strategy is actually smart. Pretend to be weak so tributes won't see you as a threat. She waited for everyone to kill each other off while she conserves energy and kills the remaining survivors 🪓

[@kingseawolf1013]

It was smart for her because she had the skills to back it up, but even if u were stronger than everyone else and did that strategy, u wouldn’t get sponsors and wouldn’t have the materials to win

[@morigan4114]

​@@kingseawolf1013you stated the obvious.....

[@bobbill950]

One downside though is that capital sponsors won’t favor you as much,as they would’ve considered you weak as well, and not worth their money

[@spoyledbratt]

Classic strategy in reality tv competitions

[@mo_munir3474]

​@kingseawolf1013 Would depend on what kind of arena she was put into. If you don't require medicine or matches or any other essentials to stay alive, the strategy would work

[@raymondbadillo179]

Haymitch was in games with almost 50 peoples with a good percentage of that being careers man that would be a pretty cool movie to see!

[@kirey3295]

There is a great short film about those games

[@ovdhvdh1355]

​@@kirey3295where?

[@Bubbles_2805]

@@ovdhvdh1355its called second quarter quell!! Just search “haymitch hunger games” and it should come up!!

[@mariamcandrews5464]

@@ovdhvdh1355It’s on KZbin. It’s called The Second Quarter Quell

[@axelkrol2981]

@@ovdhvdh1355Its on KZbin

[@madambutterfly1997]

if name your child Brutus, you have no right to complain if they betray someone or they’re tricked into betraying someone

[@savannahrose3220]

I’m just thinking of mean girls when they’re talking about Brutus and Caesar 😂

[@doomjuice.1652]

If you name your child “Titus” don’t be surprised if they end up committing horrible stuff like mass manslaughter or cannibalism

[@Hungergames_14528]

​@@doomjuice.1652why they both end in -Tus

[@emmahatcher9979]

Et tu Brute?

[@patrickm1]

⁠@@Hungergames_14528They're Latin names. Suzanne Collins uses elements of ancient Rome a lot within the series, especially with character names, to reflect the similarities between the government of Panem and the Roman Empire. Characters with connections to the Capitol such as citizens from the Capitol and District 2 tend to have Roman names, which connects them together while also reflecting the connection between Panem and Rome. Even the name of the country, Panem, is a Latin word which means bread. It's also a reference to the phrase "bread and circuses" (or in Latin, panem et circenses), which was used by the Roman poet Juneval around 100 AD to describe how the Roman public generally did not care about how effective the Roman government was policy making, or the fact that they no longer had the power to vote and participate in the government as they (sort of) had under the Roman Republic, as long as they had access to food and entertainment, which includes gladiatorial combat like we see in the Hunger Games. This is called symbolism. It's a way for an author to make a point or establish a connection to something else without actually saying so directly. Stuff like this is there, if you can find it.

[@SpammytheHedgehog]

I liked District 6. Both victors won by hiding until everyone else died. 😂

[@SlayingSuperNerdX]

sounds like Peeta,

[@the-berries-and-cream-dude]

@@SlayingSuperNerdX ok this made me chuckle but also, maybe if he wasn’t so caught up with saving Katniss, he could’ve won just by hiding

[@arsy9301]

thats probably what i would do if i was in the games 🥲

[@aslamnurfikri7640]

Sneak 100

[@Na3baee]

@@the-berries-and-cream-dude he was bleeding to death and would not have survived until everyone else was dead. The only reason he survived was bc Katniss found him.

[@twinklerose1033]

Fun Fact, Cashmere, Victor of the 64th Hunger Games was from District 1 but was a troublesome victor for President Snow and was exploited for her body similarly like Finnick Odair, yet is so overly overlooked by many fans due to her being a Career

[@Elizabeth-hc3mi]

Honestly, I don't get why the careers, ecspealliy 1 and 4 get some much hate. Sending a prepared and trained 18 year old tribute seems a lot less barbaric then sending in a a frail half starved 12 year old. Besides, it is way to feed your district. Besides getting food if the tribute wins, everyone can sign up for the taesere without worrying about being reaped.

[@patrickdematosribeiro1845]

@@Elizabeth-hc3mi One reason is that the academies are officially illegal, the Capitol merely looks the other way in the districts they dislike the least. This gives the other districts who can't have academies of their own a huge disadvantage and this is why they hate the careers. Since the fans get mainly the perspective from district twelve many share that view.

[@bessieburnet9816]

The careers are victims too. They are children made to fight and kill too. And that was a big part of Katniss's arc in the first book. Knowing that they aren't the enemy. Not playing the Capitol's game.

[@davidhutchinson6067]

⁠@@bessieburnet9816 the careers maybe victims to but they didn’t see it that way that’s why it was so hard for the rebels to get district 2 on their side it was also stated that the career tributes were better fed overly vicious and eager to volunteer for the games

[@Elizabeth-hc3mi]

It's possible that the whole "overly vicious and eager to volunteer." Thing is an act. Remember, tributes aren't allowed to officially train for the games. I don't think saying on an interview with Caeser, "Oh yeah, they've been training us for years then tell us to volunteer that way we don't watch our kids get completely murdered ever year " would go over well with the capitol, or get sponsors. Being vicious and ready to kill is a much better angle both for favor with Snow and for sponsors. 1&4 both rebel against the capitol, so they probably didn't like the Hunger Games either, they just adapted to survive.

[@XxGlynwenxX]

I think it would be really cool if Suzanne Collins released further lore involving the other previous Hunger Games and Victors :).

[@tobiassanders9455]

It would be dope if she held some sort of contest and hand-chose the best fan-made lore.

[@бронза.вафля.конус]

​@@tobiassanders9455don't be silly, the only thing fans want is to see Haymitch's games

[@бронза.вафля.конус]

​@@tobiassanders9455and Finnick. And Beetee. And... oh, nvm I guess you're right lol

[@ItsApjoThing612]

It would also be cool if we can watch the games from other peoples perspectives even if they died in one of the games.

[@macias7125]

In that case it would have to be a whole TV show and each season would have at least 4-5 games and they should make hardcore fans of the entire HG series play the tributes like they did with walking dead. That would be amazing and I'd love to see that

[@xxprologancool3538]

Victors were always fascinating to me in the book. How they won, what happened to them after, and etc. The 75th definitely would've had me interested if I lived in that universe.

[@siamchowdhury1624]

There’s a fan made series by someone called Christian Blanco that’s basically all the hunger games from the capital POV. It’s very good

[@xxprologancool3538]

@@siamchowdhury1624 Yes I am aware I actually have talked to him before. It is good.

[@dinner...]

its all fun and games until u get elected

[@Sherryshinepine]

Actually we do know who won the 1st to 9th hunger games and it was mainly district 1,2 tributes that where already the strongest 4 was also strong and also had victors and district 11 had a male victor supposedly

[@charteon9092]

I keep forgetting that Christian blanco stuff isn’t canon, and it makes me sad

[@MariaHossain]

I wish Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes told us more about the first 9 victors. I wanna know how they won with so little resources and help.

[@anticomso]

by the way snow describes the games before the 10th i guess it was just brute force. before the bombing there weren't many places to hide and the audience didnt participate. So the stories would just be depressing tales of 24 children quickly butchering each other until the strongest or best hidden wins :(

[@patrickm1]

Well someone had to win

[@sazjh]

I think most of the time it was a 24h thing due to no places to hide, so it came and finished very quickly which is why they changed it for the 10th as they wanted more of a show

[@dalia.mp3]

maybe the movie will i hope

[@KaeruFroggo]

@@dalia.mp3it didnt

[@ravenmcchesney8485]

I wish we knew more about Annie. She obviously had more to her than being traumatized seeing as finback fell in love with her. I think her character could show the toll of ptsd on a person.

[@HK-re9vh]

Omg you should read where soul meets body on ao3 its such a good fanfic and its basically canon, and like exactly like Suzanne wrote it. Its the best and so good

[@Sillly_Amelia]

@@HK-re9vhwait what’s it called? And where can I find it?

[@lyndsycarson8302]

The entire series shows how different people ( all the surviving tributes) react to trauma and different ways, several different charectoristics of ptsd. Nighterros that peta and katniss have, addiction like the morphling and Hamich, anger and outbursts like joanna, involuntary lose of speech like magda, zombie mode like katniss and prims mom, etc I would like a little love story and bonding with finnick and annie to see how she raises her and finback’s son to be. But we already got the trauma bonding and raising children peacefully in the countryside with Peta and katniss so I don’t think it’ll happen anytime soon.

[@luvscheddarcheese]

@@Sillly_Ameliathe original reply pretty much sums that up! ^^ it’s a fan fiction on ao3 (where soul meets body) and I forgot the exact author’s name, but it’s basically just elizablue :) they have it fully from Annie’s perspective, an unfinished one from Finnick’s, and an alt ending where [spoilers if you haven’t finished mockingjay] Finnick survives

[@NotAmandaMurray]

District 1 (3) - gloss, cashmere, bron District 2 (8) - male, female, female, Lyme , Brutus, male , enobaria, male District 3 (2) -beete, wiress District 4 (5) - Mags, male, male, finnick, Annie District 5 (2)-male, female District 6 (5) male, female, female, 2 morphlings District 7 (2)- like, Johanna District 8 (2) -wove, Celia District 9 (2) - female male District 10 (2)- female, male District 11 (2)- cedar, chaff District 12 (4)-Lucy Gray, haymitch, katniss &peeta

[@BreierRudisill]

If it was all 64 I would imagine district 2 to have 20 or more

[@saphiriathebluedragonknight375]

How is 6 tied with 4?

[@Cheez_Doodlezz]

You mean Blight Seeder Woof and Cecelia?

[@janvisser4132]

It doesn't really make sense that they make District 1 this huge favorite when you look at this. Their winners get probably less attention in the books, but still. I also thought it was really unrealistic that every district had at least 1 surviving male and female victor for the 75th Hunger Games.

[@Danilio.]

​@@janvisser4132 Facts lol, that was just a plot convenience.

[@statesofgracie]

the fact that we know about 22/75 winners just goes to show how much thought suzanne collins put into the whole world and not just the main characters. I think it’s one of the reasons the series holds up so well today and why we’re still able to look at it with such appreciation a decade later instead of finding hoards of flaws and missteps that we hadn’t originally noticed

[@HouseOfTheHybrid]

I wouldn't really use that as one of the reasons the series holds up so well today. Majority of the past victors are really vague. And even in the prequel she skipped over a lot of stuff.

[@statesofgracie]

@@HouseOfTheHybrid yes and that’s why I think it holds up well because it keeps you interested in wanting to know more about those other victors and what happened. it’s also incredibly unrealistic to think that she could go into depth on all of them. a story doesn’t have to give you every single detail to “hold up well”

[@HouseOfTheHybrid]

@@statesofgracie So you're saying its the lack of info instead? Okay. At first I assumed you meant she gave us so much about previous winners. If it was the latter I'd have to say that was not a reason I kept reading or loved the story several years ago. In fact, it was one of the things I wished was more fleshed out. Its also why myself and a lot of other people were initially annoyed when we found out the prequel was going to be on Snow rather than Haymitch or some other group of victors games.

[@HouseOfTheHybrid]

@@statesofgracie also keep in mind it was originally only to be a trilogy. If I recall correctly. So what we're getting post-Mockingjay is basically stuff thought of "after the fact" like JK Rowling with Cursed Child. It wasn't meant to be an expansive universe type thing. Just a focused story.

[@statesofgracie]

@@HouseOfTheHybrid I think you’re misinterpreting what I’m saying. I don’t think she had everything planned out when writing the original trilogy (and she doesn’t have to that’s the beauty of writing). All I mean is she gave enough info about previous winners to make the world feel expansive and real and has now set herself up to be able to tell more stories about the world which keeps you interested in it. She’s more than welcome to go back and retroactively explore more characters.

[@guinnevereschronicles2225]

Can we acknowledge how Mags won her hunger games with a fish hooks of all things?

[@Hungergames_14528]

Yes we can acknowledge that 😂like there are swords and stuff and she wins with fish hooks

[@nandaloka6401]

We need a prequel focusing on this haha

[@Hungergames_14528]

@@nandaloka6401 we do tho

[@willcc19-18]

If the Arena was based around a lot of water and beaches District 4 tributes would thrive like Katniss did in the woodland based Arena in the 74th Hunger Games

[@ariesmichaelsayan4013]

I think Mags’s arena was definitely heavily aquatic. Cause Dr. Gaul was experimenting with eels. Im assuming they were poisonous and mags possibly fished them out and turned them into weapons against the other tributes.

[@AB0786]

It'd be amazing to have like a cool series with a bunch of the victors we know's games cause imagine seeing finicks or Johanna's games

[@sunnydarling8750]

I agree different sets of hunger games would be awesome

[@aviomons]

There's a fanmade series made by Christian Blanco called "Tales of the Hunger Games"! It's not offical, but he makes and narrates different games.

[@etoinedevries7583]

​@@aviomons I was gonna recommend him too! The series is soo good!

[@julesb2415]

I wanna see wiress and bee tee's games so bad

[@flyingblind5677]

Gotta check out Christian blanco and tales of the hunger games, he has games of canon victors, and others that he writes himself, even through future games, up to 100. Great channel

[@LaMorenaPequena]

^R.I.P Finnick Odair^ The only character death, to physically piss me off. You deserved better! 😢

[@PinkBaphomet]

Ikrrr!! It was from the very start that i was rooting for him!

[@MorenongEnhinyero]

Believe it or not, I stopped reading Mockingjay for months after Finnick’s death. That’s how impactful his character for me.

[@MMOfreakOUT1]

The three saddest deaths in novel/movie history for me are Finnick Odair, Sirius Black in Harry Potter, and Arthas in Merlin. When you kill off these characters you better make sure the story is gonna make up for it. It's like Doctor Who. The new Doctor better make up for changing from the old.

[@arvinroidoatienza7082]

​@@MMOfreakOUT1And it did. Like the war wouldn't be realistic and relatable if you're favorite character had massive plot armor and didn't die.

[@creativecat9313]

NOOO FINNICK DONT REMIND ME 😭😭😭

[@MaggieMayhem999]

I want a prequel movie about Haymitch!! It would be interesting to see why he is the way he is (downward spiral into alcoholism). Secondly, I’d like to also see Mags, Johanna’s, and Finicks back story too.

[@orla6386]

Theres a short story on KZbin that is based on his victory!

[@eamparbeng]

​@@orla6386I know that video. It was posted in 2011. Suzanne Collins was probably impressed

[@Rissa016]

I’m pretty sure his family was all killed in front of him when he slightly disobeyed the capitol. They briefly mention it in mockingjay

[@jacquelinecallejas1390]

He tells Katniss that because Snow did not like how he won (i.e. that the girl who had stabbed him threw her axe, missed, and unlike Haymitch she didn't know the axe would bounce off the forcefield they were in front of, killing her) Snow had his parents AND girlfriend killed. He became an alcoholic after that.

[@eamparbeng]

@@jacquelinecallejas1390 Snow killed Haymitch's loves ones cuz he made the Capitol look stupid. Especially by a tribute from the smallest and poorest district

[@aninnocentfreakofnature]

I realized this now, only when he mentioned how Finnick got sponsors because he was good looking. Finnick was FOURTEEN!!! Fourteen and already had the capitol looking at him like he was a piece of meat

[@malena5026]

And Snow probably only waited two years to pimp him off. His backstory is one of saddest of the victors backstory next to Haymitch and Joanna

[@kassiogomes8498]

These people watch children kill each other for fun. Are you surprised they think of them as meat?

[@SeventyTinyWyverns]

And it said he was the youngest Victor. Darn it! I have been writing an entire games about a twelve-year-old girl who won the forty-first games with a record fourteen kills.

[@Yuval.Ronen2010]

@@SeventyTinyWyverns You can always do what they did for The Hunger Games 1-9. Because the capitol was really unhappy so they just erased the winner from people's minds. They never spoke of any of the winners to the world, and did everything possible to eliminate him from the public consciousness. I can see how with a bad enough deed as far as the capitol is concerned they will thirst for a way to erase your 12 year old winner from the pages of history, and how no one in the capitol will care about her because she is not talked about and she will eventually be forgotten like any failed reality star who does nothing with his publicity. She'll just disappear after her 15 minutes of fame (is that Fries in English? In my language it exists). Anyway, I really really really want to read the story because it sounds *awesome*

[@edra2005]

You're talking about a society that watches children fight for entertainment You think they would have morals?

[@nmoney6655]

I like how a lot of the tributes including Katniss and Peeta were still in shape and I forgot about Johanna she was in pretty good shape and even though she was severely traumatized by the events that took place after she won her games she still moved to District 4 to help Annie raise her and Finnick’s son

[@phamkelly9]

in the book peeta loses his leg but in the movie they dont do that

[@jaqui1401]

I think the capital fix them up from any injuries not just for the parade after but for them to look good to be exploited and prostituted after. They also need to be strong and live long to mentor, so in a way, they get elite level health insurance that the rest of the districts dont get. I remember how they did that to haymitch. He was dying with his intestines coming out, but they needed a winner so they sewed him back up.

[@IgnBtw]

there were honestly more female victors than i thought there would be. it felt like more than 50% tbh which is surprising as im pretty sure katniss mentioned something like 'male tributes usually have an edge because they are usually much bigger and stronger'

[@DorablePizza]

It's such a relief that the child murder game isn't prejudiced against women. 😅

[@IgnBtw]

@@DorablePizza I am not prejudiced at all, I am being realistic and stating something that was said by Katniss herself in the books

[@JamesZheyuXu]

@@IgnBtwOf course,it could be that all the victors we saw are in the 75th hunger games and they are 12 men 12 women,which might be a reason why it more of 50%

[@Cesare-Borgia]

@@DorablePizza Well, it's not really being prejudiced. I know it's a game of survival and not only fighting, but overall men would have the edge over women in every aspect in those games. That's why it's surprising seeing that much female victors. Perhaps, like in the real world, women would be more inclined to get sponsor and have an edge over male competitors.

[@joshuakhaos4451]

@@Cesare-Borgia That or maybe the male tributes saw the females as weaker opponents and made the mistake of underestimating them too much or letting them get multiple openings out of ego or carelessness. I can totally see male teenager's repeating that mistake an awful lot.

[@tyronechua451]

Are we not going to talk about how Morgan just casually implied that Cashmere was a major hunger games nepo baby like it was nothing 😭

[@charisseadara]

It is a huge factor to help her win, but I think that she needed to have the looks and the skill to carry the popularity. If she wasn't as pretty and good as even Katniss admitted at manipulating the audience from the camera, then she would likely not have won. Let's compare her to Glimmer from the previous game for comparison. -In the books Glimmer looked rather attractive and used that in her television appearances including wearing revealing clothing to get sponsors. Cashmere probably did the exact same thing and mentored Glimmer to do so. What Glimmer didn't have was the following: 1. The attractive brother with the previous win. People would want to have a double win and for Cashmere to come home so they would sponsor her with the hopes she could go home and reunite with her brother. 2. The actual skill needed. Glimmer could not handle her weapon of choice with the needed ability to make her succeed in the arena. 3. Agility and quick thinking. Glimmer didn't move away quickly and effectively from the track jackers like the other careers, so she died. You need quick thinking and quick decision making to win the games.

[@jsas2047]

​​@@charisseadaraThis is kinda off topic but I thought her weapon choice was super interesting. As far as I know, she didn't have a real skill or training in one specific weapon, unlike Katniss or Finnick. But the bow&arrows make so much sense. First of all I think it's to be better than Katniss, who kinda stole her spotlight with the star crossed lovers and hight rating. Glimmer was attractive but Katniss was *interesting*. Secondly it's such a "pretty" weapon. Similar to Cashmere who was throwing knives. It both has something precise and almost elegant, and it doesn't get you bloody or actually fighting. It keeps their attractive image intact. She had the right idea, the bow and arrow would've been perfect for her (&, Cashmere's) type of tribute , but yeah she lacked any actual skill with it. And I think it's super likely Cashmere was her Idol, maybe even her mentor.

[@lukethegoldenminecart1297]

​@charisseadara I'm honestly convinced Glimmer knew jackshit about archery and just grabbed the bow so Katniss would be at a disadvantage

[@Elodie-xi3pp]

Yeah I figured that too

[@Lilyrose-Violet]

@@lukethegoldenminecart1297 was that not heavily implied? I thought it was 😭

[@Chiffawndue]

I like the idea that Mocking Jay P 2 was the 76th and final games as Finnick said: "Welcome to the 76th Hunger Games." It definitely was like that considering the game makers boobytrapped the capitol.

[@NeyamRye]

Yuuup

[@blueyes6474]

I love that the fan made video for Haymitche’s game has basically become cannon

[@Momofan69]

Tbf the main details in that video (how he killed the final tribute) are canon.

[@joaoraffs]

Haymitch's way of winning is already cannon (mentioned in the first book when Katniss presents him when he's assigned as their mentor)

[@mockjaying]

We’re getting his point of view in the book that Suzanne collins herself is writing and plans to publish in 9-10 month!!!! Im excited to see how similar the book is to the fan made one.

[@amourdevie1]

the fact that they picked amongst VICTORS for quarter quell really shows the cruelty like they escaped death but no put them back.

[@Maria67362]

It's like in Haymich's games where he won using the force field but that angered the game makers so they had his family killed and what made him an alcoholic. They win for nothing

[@SashGirl34]

@@Maria67362 His girlfriend and family. But the rule is there must be a victor....so he was allowed to be...but he had to face punishment. As I am sure they wanted NO ONE to attempt to use the forcefield...fearing an escape attempt or something.

[@reillycurran8508]

@SashGirl34 it's actually kinda even worse since you could argue that Haymitch didn't do that on purpose, he just fell over trying to hold his guts in right at the moment the axe was coming at him. Also, the victors pull actually wasn't the original plan for 75, Plutarch destroyed the original envelope and subbed in the game they ran to facilitate the plan to kickstart the second rebellion, arguably the cruelty was actually intended to be even worse than even a quarter quell would be expected to be to provoke outrage and eventually an uprising.

[@SashGirl34]

@@reillycurran8508 It's debatable. Like why head to the forcefield....there was no chance to escape it. Not when your severly injured to the point your guts were coming out. I mean he could have been weak...at that moment the female tribute through the axe...and it backfired. Or he did intentionally do so on purpose.

[@Lilyrose-Violet]

Johanna’s interview in the movie really showed that. She said (I think) “I thought if I won the capital would leave me alone, and your telling me I have to go back?”

[@pr1yans1]

finnicks death absolutely killed me- i loved him so much. he was my favourite character- I felt this way for other characters like prim, rue, and cinna, they did not deserve to die!! 😭

[@ieatdirt3]

Finnicks death was so avoidable if the others covered him through the space in between the edge of the chute and the ladder; like katniss could’ve at least shot some of the mutts to cover him

[@ima_potato7346]

And that bitch gon throw the bomb on him like it was nothing that was not right

[@ashleighstratmann7783]

‘He wasn’t much but he was from home’ was probably among the first time we see how Joanna treat those she actually liked/cared about

[@Hannah-nm8bo]

i always wanted a book on haymitch's games it seemed so interesting from the little we got

[@yannaedc5934]

Joanna is my favorite one. Appearing weak is a legit strategy and the axe one of my favorite weapons

[@justineharper3346]

I would love if she wrote a history of all the victors

[@astralboythearoace]

That would probably take a few years

[@thebaron2277]

If she did a history book in the style of Fire and Blood that would be awesome

[@PotatoNuggetConsumer]

@@thebaron2277 Using the style of World War Z would also work, a bunch of short stories told by the perspective of the survivors.

[@Danilio.]

Agreed, & it should be called something like: *"Tales of The Hunger Games"*

[@bodiego3652]

A Netflix series covering the other hunger games and the unamed victors all throughout the 75 games 👍

[@robr7815]

damn it'd be like watching the actual hunger games. 1 game per episode. 73 episodes (bc we know 74 and 75). i NEED THIS xD

[@lucasdolding6924]

Kinda pointless and it would get quite repetitive

[@bodiego3652]

@lucasdolding6924 Well, the theme would be repetitive, but for every other episode, you can explore different kinds of psychological aspects such as death, survival sponsorships, districts winning, politics, etc

[@julesb2415]

I would pay an exorbitant amount of money for this

[@lucasdolding6924]

@@bodiego3652 I just feel like there isn’t much of an actual story to tell there, the main series gives you basically everything the premise can offer. The only other Hunger Games I’d like to see be told would be the 50th and maybe the 25th, release them as like a Quarter Quell duology, but you don’t need a story for every single Hunger Game. Leave it to the people who write fan fiction, it’d be much more suited in those spaces.

[@tombucannon]

It makes a lot more sense why Haymitch's family was killed after he won the way he won, Snow was reminded of District 12 and Lucy Gray and took it out on his family :/

[@DatgirllreadzxD]

Now that I think about it, Snow was always more “father like” (in the most fked up way possible) to Katniss. That’s probably because, just like Lucy Gray, was a district 12 female. Lucy and Katniss also looked alike in the books. Snow (in my opinion from the movies) had a liking to Katniss and let her get away with a lot more. He could have killed her and Peeta a lot sooner but waited till the last minute when the rebellion was wayyyyy started. Even in his last moments, he shared a lot with Katniss and showed a lot more ‘kindness’ to her. I think, in some part of Snows fked up head, he had fondness of District 12 Seam females, just because of Lucy Gray.

[@isaiahm9401]

Not trying to be a theorist or anything but I truly think Lucia Gray ran away to district 13 and left snow behind because she knew he would have been a possible threat to the community knowing he had direct ties to higher-ups in the capital plus if he would have went missing the capital would have harmed his family, Lucia was the one that snitched on his friend and hid the weapons in the cabin they hiked to just to keep Snow alive

[@SashGirl34]

@@isaiahm9401 It would be hard too..being it was August...and it would be snow. So she would have to find a good way to get there...and it wouldn't be by walking. The theory by the director and even Rachel Zegler. Both believe that Lucy Gray is alive...the director believes she may live in the forest near District 12. (Continuing with the theory that she is related to Katniss). And it would be badass for Katniss to be related to a Victor unknowingly. Of course some theorize that she's related to her cousin... I mean she had too many connections to Katniss. Some theorized she went back to 12 but under a different name.

[@AbernathyCreed]

I feel so bad for Finnick. After his win the capital had a 2 year “hands off” period before Snow basically pimped him out. I believe it was for information or whatever else was going on in that crazy old brain. Edit: just found out he isnt the only one. Poor Cashmere. Im sure they arent the only ones but idk any others so far. She might have trained to fight but im sure being exploited like that wasnt in her training

[@_AstaLily]

8:16 “he just hid until the games were over” That I can get on board with

[@vanessab4969]

Yup. I borrowing myself into the ground

[@NathanBB2005]

I can't believe Mag's orginal hunger games was the 11th making it one year after Lucy Gray. It must have been the first hunger games in a bio dome since the arena for the 10th didn't have any water to fish in

[@edra2005]

Dr. Gaul is feeding the mutations that she will use on Mags games at the end of ballad

[@nikkiej.5875]

So many of the Victor's Games sound so interesting, especially Finnick, Haymitch, Mags, Annie, and Johanna.

[@BFFR5150]

I want Netflix to make a series where each season is about a different hunger games victor & the hunger games they competed in.

[@AmieReva]

I'm so happy that people are interested in the Hunger Games series again! I'm consiering reading the books again

[@wonkhonk]

love how we all just collectively accepted the fanmade movie about haymitchs games as canon :D

[@TwelveTables]

Another head cannon theory: The first 12 hunger games were orchestrated by Snow so each district would win 1 of the first 12. This would give the illusion of anyone from any district could survive. In the 11th game, Mags skill of finishing, traps and nets would overcome this plan. Snow wanting to still display his control of the situation starts the victory tours as his way to torture her.

[@magicalgrass3131]

​@@TwelveTablesThis theory doesn't make sense. Snow had no association with the first 9 games. And it's mentioned that children from District 1 and 2 are generally tend to win the games. (Because of their loyalty to Capitol they are well fed) Implying that they already won more than one time. District 4 and 11 are also mentioned as good competitors in these years so they each probably won at least 1 games. And there's Lucy Gray for the 10th. So after the first 10 games there was only 5 districts that have victors. 1,2,4,11 and 12. (That's just my theory too lol)

[@NeyamRye]

I meaaan

[@brigidacastro3185]

Love this video. Yesterday I was searching for more information about the Victors and today Morgan posted this. I'm so excited about the movie prequel coming out, I haven't read the book yet, just work and motherhood are getting in the way, but I will start as soon as possible.

[@maytalacedo2942]

It's so fascinating to hear about victor's since it make you want to know so much more about them.

[@perruno9994]

I will ALWAYS remeber Mags and Wiress. Rest in peace😢

[@jaidengames26]

Joanna was basically the third morphling in the end

[@garrettmasters7281]

I would love to see your analysis on 'The Maze Runner' series after all, the really cool stuff you've done with 'Harry Potter' and the 'Percy Jackson' series. Keep it up man!

[@nmoney6655]

Mags was 5 when the hunger games started meaning she was the first person that we know of who grew up watching the games

[@RicardodaSilvaRdS]

I really hope the new movie is successful so we get more movies about previous Hunger Games (especially Haymitch's) 😢

[@HawaiiinJune]

I wanna see the first

[@Riley-vy5qm]

I mean, there's a fan film for Haymitch's, but it's only 12 minutes.

[@Maxofficial229]

Is happening

[@RicardodaSilvaRdS]

@@Maxofficial229 so freaking hyped 🤩

[@danielcebreros9614]

You gotta love MovieFlame. He is the definition of book smart, reads every detail in each book (including all the Harry Potter books) and knows how to make his audience enjoy his videos🙂

[@maytalacedo1284]

I really want to know the morphing's backstory. it makes me wonder how they became broken and what they used to be before the capitol breaks them. when they both died it was heartbreaking

[@alexlaursen5655]

I want to know who won the 25th Hunger Games since it was the first quarter quell and the tributes were chosen by vote from the members of their own district. How would that person feel when they returned to their district? Career districts probably picked people they thought would win but in other poorer districts did they choose universally unliked people?

[@marionmichaels5801]

Morgan I recently finished the Hunger Games trilogy a few weeks ago I'm still on the ballad of songbirds and snakes but to see you doing Hunger Games stuff and Harry Potter stuff just makes me so happy I'm just expecting Twilight stuff now because you just so surprising

[@gregatkins2156]

The concept of career tributes is really interesting and I’d love for it to be elaborated on in future books. Were Finnick and Annie career tributes? I believe district 4 is mentioned as a career district in the OG triology but they seem to be different from 1 & 2. Perhaps Collins said they were a career district in the first book and changed her mind later on? It seems unlikely that even in a career district that a 14 year old like Finnick would volunteer. And how does Mags feel about her district being a career district, since she was alive during the first rebellion and won her games before career tributes were a thing? I have so many questions.

[@sharxtheguy1383]

Careers make a career pact, since district 4 is all about fishing etc, a lot of the district members are good with tridents etc, so more skilled and deadly than regular other districts. Because of this they more usually then not become part of the career pact, but they usually don’t volunteer themselves I would say. Not in the way like D1 and D2 do

[@Swimbrit99]

i think its the other way around, as seen in the first movie when cato killed the male district 4 tribute during the bloodbath then finnick and mags chose not to be with the career pack because they wanted to get katness and peeta out the arena.

[@joonaslaitinen9520]

@@Swimbrit99 TBH in books it is never revealed who killed D4 male. And in books, d4 tributes do go by choise. In movies they somehow made d1/2 only carreer districts.

[@hi-ls6lt]

@@Swimbrit99 well in the books, the D4 male dies in the first day, which Katniss is surprised about as she says Careers hardly ever go down in the first day, and she kills the D4 female along with Glimmer when dropping the tracker jacker nest on them.

[@kitkat9784]

My headcanon has always been that unlike District 1 and 2, District 4 doesn't have a career volunteer every year, so i imagine that Finnick and Annie were reaped, and didn't volunteer.

[@whimsicalgolde]

All of that leading to the games ending is really cool. Like all the troubles they went through leads to it being dismantled finally. Like one thing after the other with the mistreatment and hunger games. It all leads up to Katniss respecting Rue, and people just ran with it. Like the uprisings that happened. More to it but that song at the dam bursting in the movie. The timeline tells the story of the series as well. Nice video❤

[@wowyzowy1895]

my girl Lucy gray will always be fav victor ever since she was introduced in the book. I was so happy when the movie was announced and came out. Lucy deserved better 😭

[@TheDownables]

I genuinely appreciate The spoiler warning for the new book/movie! I'm on a 22-week hold at my library 💀

[@ameliag_]

You should make a video about what you think the future of Katniss and Peeta would be like. Obviously, theoretical. Kind of like the one you made about what would happen if Katniss shot Snow instead of Coin. A lot of people are talking about how they want a vid like that.

[@mattsportstalks1105]

The end of Mockingjay kind of addresses that. It tells us how they go back to 12, live there together and had 2 children.

[@jenniferlynne3314]

@@mattsportstalks1105 No it doesn't.

[@mattsportstalks1105]

@@jenniferlynne3314 yes it does. Go rewatch the end of part 2

[@gdesiree29]

​@@jenniferlynne3314yes it does

[@JamesZheyuXu]

@@jenniferlynne3314There is a epilogue in the books,go read

[@I_am_Ravenclaw]

Gosh, Enobaria was only 28-31 years at the time of the 75th hunger games😮 I've never done the math before, but thought she was much older

[@cadenjones2889]

Legend has it that second morphling is still hiding in the jungle to this day.

[@NovaStarfox113]

Wish they did a movie when Johanna was in the hunger games and did a movie when mags and annie was in the hunger games even would love to see finnick in the hunger games back story novie

[@NovaStarfox113]

Movie

[@joshuakhaos4451]

this basically exists already. Look up the fan made hunger game videos. Hers is one of them. its not bad considering its a fan made video.

[@NovaStarfox113]

@@joshuakhaos4451 then show us this first ever hunger games movie I know there doing the 10 hunger games this November songs and birds snakes with Lucy gray but they should show us the first ever hunger games movie too? 😂

[@AmbiixROX]

It’s crazy to think about Finnick as a teen…winning because of all those sponsors….and then being forced by the capital to escort those *adults* I feel like that’s a really fucked up part of his story no one really talks about …. And for any of the “beautiful” winners who were likely forced into the same situation 😞

[@pebblethesandwing1151]

"she put poison in a puddle of water knowing the only other tribute, reaper, would drink from it" blatant lie

[@tschinkerl4554]

The ultimate treat for fans would be a book or at least a couple of chapters for every hunger game ever. Just having the games as books would be absolutely amazing.

[@thesleepyfable3902]

Maybe because they don't go into detail in the books or films, but the morphlings don't make sense to become drug addicts out of everyone else. They hid and didn't kill anyone. Unless they were looked down on for their method of winning, I feel Annie or Johanna would have become addicts.

[@asanaquarian1302]

District 6 is implied to have a huge drug and gang issue.

[@ahoam]

Tbf, Johanna did become an addict eventually

[@lukethegoldenminecart1297]

​@@ahoambut that was after being tortured for months

[@Aureilia]

It makes sense to me BECAUSE they hid and didn't kill anyone. They were clearly terrified and didn't believe they could win through combat so they hid in the hopes they could wait it out and won purely through luck. The experience of waiting quietly by yourself in various hiding places for either everyone around you to die or for someone to discover and kill you would've been horrible since there would've been nothing such as killing tributes or running from Careers to distract them from the reality of their situation. It tracks that as soon as they got out their main focus was forgetting and numbing their trauma.

[@chuu0069]

Maybe by not participating in the games correctly- correct being that the tributes’ violent and brutal bloodshed is supposed to be the terror factor that keeps the districts in line- and they didn’t partake in any killing or fighting they essentially went directly against what the Capitol was forcing them to do. Perhaps the capitol punished them for their unintentional insubordination through torture or loss of loved ones and that’s what led them to their substance abuse. Even more sinister of a theory, maybe the capitol forced them into addiction. Drugs can make people feel lonely, anxious, paranoid, and physically uncomfortable; if they won their games by hiding in reclusive fear until it was over, their lifetime punishment is feeling that isolation and emotional wrought forever.

[@SpammytheHedgehog]

Imagine if Katniss got reaped in the 74th Hunger Games and Prim volunteered. 😂

[@jrlombardi5251]

@Angel she wouldn't be able to do anything tho

[@hiddenechoes]

I'm psyched for another HG video from you so soon!! ❤❤❤

[@nikoletakonstantaki5068]

I love that you came out with this! Can we have the hour long videos again! I know they take time but they are such a good relisten to.

[@Blankology]

Always look forward to new Movieflame content 😎

[@gorgeous_eva]

I honestly think they should make a series about all the hunger games because the books are so good that they leave so much out of the movies

[@marquiettagreen645]

They need to make a movie about Finnick’s game

[@MelanieDernoga]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/faa7mYp-fM6Fe9U Here's a fan made short film of Finnick I thought was pretty well done!

[@khonshugodofthenightsky2159]

Rather have Haymitch's

[@jeffbezos2406]

Can you do every hunger games arena we know of next?

[@joonaslaitinen9520]

We dont know about many. Only 1-10 (capitol arena), 50 (poisoneus paradise) and 74/75 (Katniss games). Those are only ones we see in books.

[@ahoam]

​@@joonaslaitinen9520in one of the books, Katniss mentioned that a previous arena was in an arctic setting. She said the gamemakers wouldn't do something like that again cus it was considered boring since most of the tributes froze to death.

[@joonaslaitinen9520]

@@ahoam Okay, true in a way. I remember that part. Also there was mention of some kind of desert setting, where people died of thirst and snakebites. But still, those were throwaway lines in part of the author I think. But good catch nontheles.

[@aldoramirez1980]

@@joonaslaitinen9520there was also a mention of one taking place in the ruins of an ancient city during the first book/movie

[@Sherryshinepine]

@@joonaslaitinen9520yes a burning desert it was mentioned in the books correct and yes there was also a snowy arena

[@likecascade7015]

As evil as this sounds, I want movies if not shows of every Hunger Games that happened. Edit: On second thought, maybe not every single Hunger Games. But at least a few movies like the 25th, 50th, and 73rd Hunger Games. Because one, the first two are Quarter Quells. And two, the 73rd Hunger Games are the closest were gonna get to being shown on screen outside of the main story.

[@gossipgirlpamie]

yes and the very first hunger games would be interesting too!

[@nmoney6655]

The crazy thing is that if Katniss was only one that won she would’ve been pumped out to rich Capitol residents and Peeta too if he was the only one that won he would’ve been considered very desirable to women and obviously he probably would’ve gotten a disease or something

[@jakedelphin1792]

A disease?

[@Schnipps]

@@jakedelphin1792 STI

[@SashGirl34]

We'll considering they wanted to alter Katniss after they were declared Victors, recovering and get fixed up (as Peeta lost his leg in the books. Being it was amputated and replaced with a prosthetic.) I think they implied they were attempting to...and Haymitch wouldn't allow it in the books. It was sweet acting all protective of Katniss...being she lost her own father.

[@krackacka]

it was fun watching this and comparing it to the fanmade hunger games series by Christian Blanco. From my memory he was pretty accurate, but one that definitely stuck out to me as incorrect was the male morphling's winning hunger games, which makes sense because he was a background character. I didn't know there was a certain games he won though, where can I find it?

[@Sherryshinepine]

By reading the book and watching the movie it is said in both

[@silversamm]

He was part of the 3rd quarterquell participants, so you know they were all previous winners...

[@jaysonsobito3967]

I admire your narration. This is very impormative and well-researched content! 😊

[@zesty1914]

You know, if you count the 3rd quarter quell survivors as victors, then district 12 has won more quarter quells than anyone else

[@SpammytheHedgehog]

Imagine if Rue won the Hunger Games.

[@zuzannoz]

XD

[@jujushook5487]

If she won hunger games would be endless torture

[@mysteryminx2619]

Nice job on this. Interesting to see them all got up together. Suzanne Collins has a background in television production, as do I, and I saw this coming from a long way off. I speak enough Latin to use it as a tool from my job, and immediately had "PAN"= Bread stuck in my head, and then of course, the Games appear and I had it. "It's bread and circuse (and can be translated as "Games", used to keep as the two things to keep the Population in check and diverted -- "Plenty of Food and Entertainment) Finnick with a trident and net, traditional Gladiator weapons. Yes, old enough to be your BOOMER mom/grandma'am, I understood it. I do game shows and I assure you, micing up Caesar Flickerman, checking the last minute things, and our comes Your Host is absolutely true, I have seen it for 25 years. I'm probably one of the Games Controllers, as I handle the game material, edit copy and judge correct and incorrect answers. Crane and Heavensby would be my bosses. And I have never read or seen anything that looked so much like a day on the set. We haven't pitched "The Show Where Everyone Dies" (okay, Survivor comes close.) But someday we probably will. Bread grows stale, the Circus Games get weary. Spice it up with the Quarter Quell and bring back your favorites, your parents, favorites ... the whole family's gonna watch. "May the Ratings and Renewals be Even In Your Favor." It was and is, a great idea. (and OH yes, my I am related to District 12, generations of coal miners. Even page I turned felt like home.)

[@Lmee]

I always wondered if there will be more of the Hunger Games books and films. After all, there's at least 70 more stories to be told 😅 I hope there will at least be ones with the first ever Hunger Games, 25th and 50th

[@poseidons_child.]

So….I’ve just been overthinking things. So, I was just thinking how specific Katniss was if no one won a game. And how frantic that Seneca Crane was to stop them from committing suicide. And I was wondering, what if there was a year were to people did what Katniss and Peeta did but in a different way and succeeded. So what if one of the two lasted longer than the others and was technically crowned Victor but died before it could happen. And what if it happened before the the second quarter quell. So, remember how Katniss said the reaping of victors almost seemed perfectly inline with stopping the rebellions? What if the second quarter quell was to make up for that one game that didn’t really get a Victor? I think I just think to much now.

[@aslamnurfikri7640]

1. Capitol risk losing every tributes with their stunts in the arena. Like the year Annie won everyone could have drowned in the resulting flood. It gave Annie an edge since she came from a maritime district but things could be different if she were injured for example 2. 75th Hunger Games was rigged by Snow to suppress the rebelion. Quarter Quell formats are decided by selecting an enclosed envelope left behind by Hunger Games founders. Snow didn't do it and simply made the format himself

[@fatherless8748]

I honestly forgot how much I loved the Hunger Games. This video made me remeber❤️

[@guess6635]

Likewise. Truly takes me back to a full Decade ago being in High School during the Early 10's.

[@cranejy2945]

2:00 that guy is actually the winner of the 73th hunger games

[@Berry-BEAN]

He didn’t with the 73rd. The movie just showed it as a past game somewhere back in time, it didn’t specify 73rd.And Movie Flame goes off the books, not the movies.

[@Dobie_ByTor]

Finnick said “welcome to the 76th annual hunger games” after they first saw the pods in the capital through the holo map. This implies that Snow turned the entire Capital into an arena where the remaining Victors/rebels would be slaughtered and televised “for all posterity”. It’s arguably a “Hunger Games” just b/c of the arena and players, though.

[@oswaldozapata4481]

I love your hunger games videos, Morgan!

[@sarahsheehy7526]

i'm assuming the range of when they won is based on their ages in the quarter quell and working out when they would have been 11-18. of course removing the years we already know the victors of. a way to narrow it down further is by knowing that finnick was the youngest winner at 14 so all other other non-career tributes would have won between the ages of 15 to 18. I say non-career cause it is very likely that none of them volunteered till the age of 18. although clove was 15 and marvel and glimmer 17, so i dont know plot hole? no one volunteered that year? who knows, speculate as you will

[@macca3803]

I always wondered this, if the careers train their whole lives it would only make sense the best of the year volunteer when they’re 18. There is a huge difference in physical strength comparing a 15 year old to an 18 year old and 3 years is a lot of time to perfect your skill

[@lucasdesiderio1121]

The Capitol bringing Johanna Mason back four games later is even more f-ed up lol.

[@veronicageo8434]

You should definitely rank every victor based of their skill.

[@tsuwapp]

First to show love , love the hunger games

[@jeremygonzalez2230]

Nice breakdown. Good work.

[@wendykhng5069]

I would really love to see a series or movies or tv series of how each victor won their hunger games. It would be so eye opening to see the strategies and survival tactics on screen. I think these's so much potential to be explored for each person's story.

[@maytalacedo20]

with the movie coming out soon it's so cool to learn more about the victors.

[@oldemarrivera3422]

I would love to see Johana's winning moment!! she was my fav

[@Cyprus.themochaccino]

Not me completely stoked that nobody knows who won the 69th Hunger Games so my fanfic doesn’t overlap with anything😂😂😂

[@meghakandala4233]

I’m interested in seeing the first hunger games and the first quarter quell. I wonder how people would react to the hunger games when it first started. I’m curious if the capital accepted it in the first place and maybe we’ll get to know about the tributes lives since they would have been 12 - 18 years and have been alive in the dark days and have understood what was going on. Now that I think about it, it would be interesting to know about the children in the districts lives during the dark days since we only really got an idea of how the capital citizens were affected (unless I’m missing something). And about the first quarter quell, it’s hardly touched on. We get a lot of the second and third quarter quells because the second one was haymitchs games and the third one had katniss and peeta. Also they had to vote on who were the tributes. As tragic as it sounds, it would have been so interesting so see how the districts reacted to the news, and after the tributes were picked, how they felt about being picked.

[@idkyouho]

Am I the only one who wants a movie of Haymitch’s game?

[@elina_01]

Nope, me too! So badly

[@Evie_moon24]

I need Suzanne Collins to flesh out the other hunger games! The ones we know a little bit about it, but the rest is basically a mystery. I would definitely read every book/watch every movie lol.

[@willcc19-18]

Still waiting for a Haymitch movie covering the second Quarter Quell with 48 tributes Or a spin-off about the lore of Panem before the rebellion and Dark Days.

[@teamsteed1]

Thank you for posting the video about the Victor's winners.

[@prickly10000]

Haymitch: "NO ONE EVER WINS THE GAMES!"

[@itz_mushroom_9334]

7:50 this sentence is so sad because the reason he was so popular with the capital is because he was s3xed trafficked with multiple people in the capital

[@shilo2972]

The winner supposedly of the first hunger games was a 16 year old girl named Esme Yule. She was from district 7 which is the lumber district and won with an axe. There is some speculation that her name is Fir though not Esme so perhaps itll be figure out in the next movie coming out considering the games happen yearly and its only 10 years form the first one. Main thing that doesnt change in all that ive found is for sure it was a female, from district 7 and wielded an axe.

[@edra2005]

Where'd you make that up

[@marquez4497]

Source: trust me bro