Every Major CIS Last Stand After the Clone Wars - The Defiant Separatist Holdouts

[@isaackim7675]

Imperial Officer, “We are to ensure peace and prosperity to the galaxy.” Outer Rim, “Peace and prosperity my arse.”

[@Enchie]

To be fair, they have been saying that for their entire existence.

[@grandadmiralzaarin4962]

"Although the Clone Wars were over, some people never seemed to get the message. The worst case of denial was Gizor Dellso, a Geonosian Separatist who'd somehow escaped Lord Vader's efforts to wipe out the remnants of the CIS. Lord Vader tracked him to Mustafar, and brought us in to finish the job. It seemed like a simple enough mission, but when we saw the fleet of droid ships, hovering over the planet, we suddenly realized that Delso's denial mechanisms were a little more dangerous than we'd imagined."

[@occam7382]

"The slight whiff of nostalgia the 501st had enjoyed fighting the droid fleet over Mustafar had already grown sour by the time we'd established orbital positions. Now it was time to find out what this was all about."

[@westwardstar1686]

Not all heroes wear capes

[@jamieenoshima5147]

@@occam7382 So sad this is retconned cause there was no clones in storm trooper 501st.

[@raphaelostrowski6336]

That was OP Star Wars before Disney ruined everything

[@jamieenoshima5147]

@@raphaelostrowski6336 I mean ngl the whole storm troopers where clones thing sucked. And the clone thing wasn't anywhere as good until the clone wars series fleshed out the clones to have some personality.

[@tristynbishop6158]

Canon clanker holdouts: lasted for only a few minutes on TV Legends clanker holdouts: lasted for years

[@generaljimmies3429]

Virgin Disney Canon versus Chad Legends Canon

[@nunchuckcanuck2827]

Disney: "It was really hard because we had nothing to go off of" -kk Statwars fans: 🤦‍♂️

[@RHR199X]

Those droids in rebels held out for years

[@Ikcatcher]

@@generaljimmies3429 Do you people just find anything to get upset over?

[@generaljimmies3429]

@@Ikcatcher Nah, just spittn' facts

[@TheLiamster]

I was really hoping General Kalani would have shown up in the Rebels finale with a fleet of Separatist ships to help Ezra fight Thrawn.

[@teleportedbreadfor3days]

That would require care and thought

[@tigerruss5277]

That would of been sooooo sick and awesome. Honestly the CIS needs more love

[@aster4jaden]

@@teleportedbreadfor3days It's too complicated for Disney.

[@teleportedbreadfor3days]

@@aster4jaden And it requires a basic sense of understanding they don’t have or care to exercise

[@paolotorres8537]

Actually, commentary said he would consider joining the rebellion after the death star’s destruction

[@inductivegrunt94]

"By the time we'd made our way to the molten surface of Mustafar, it was apparent that Delso had been a busy little bug. All by his lonesome he'd found a previously-hidden droid factory, fired it up and cranked out his own private army of battle droids. Needless to say, this got the men of the 501st ... a little hot under the helmet, and not just because of all that lava. Truth be told we'd all had our fill of those gear heads during the war, and we couldn't stomach the thought of going through another one. So we blew them up -- blew up the droids, blew up the factory ... damn near blew up the planet." Gizor Delso had the best hold out. It took the 501st, and massive casualties in both space and ground, in order to crush his holdout. One Geonosian caused the Empire so much trouble that they dedicated Vader's Fist to take him down, one bug did all of that. That just shows how much of a badass Gizor Delso was. Those missions in BF2(2005) were an absolute pain, but were so satisfying and enjoyable to finally win and fight in a nostalgic battle of Clones and Droids. Only without the machinations of Sidious to hold both sides back. Both sides went all out, and it was so incredibly bloody. When going all out, both sides stopped at nothing to achieve victory. And it was glorious!

[@rosiehawtrey]

"Hot under the helmet..." 😳🥺😂 too many images I didn't need, far too many...

[@occam7382]

"The destruction of the mining facility put an end to any thoughts of a second droid rebellion. For the first time in years the men of the 501st could relax, and get about the business of maintaining an empire, rather than building one."

[@inquisitorgarza312]

The Confederacy was going to fight to the bitter end, and there is no doubt that the Galactic Empire will completely destroy these holdouts, but no doubt that the Confederacy will make the Empire pay for every feet of ground they conquered.

[@Chaotic_Jackal]

Sad truth of the matter is that most of the former CIS Worlds that tried that ended up crushed without much issue. Whilst others even turned whole cloth and become major Imperial strongholds such as Celanon, Axila, and Nez Peron, Muunilinst, and Yaga Minor, which remained steadfast Imperial Loyalist worlds til the very end of the Galactic Civil War and beyond.

[@neofulcrum5013]

It was neat to see some of the CIS and Galactic Republic vehicles used by the alliance.

[@alecatnight1540]

Agreed. I love that u can put a CIS Providence in a Rebel Fleet for Star Wars Armada

[@moderndemon84]

And the Empire.

[@panos617]

​@@moderndemon84 The Empire snoped them. The idiots.

[@Matsky-vf3lo]

Too Right 👍🏻

[@stephen8805]

I hope we see more CIS holdouts in the Bad Batch.

[@paolotorres8537]

We did. In Desix.

[@stephen8805]

@@paolotorres8537 I said MORE. As in MORE CIS holdouts. Not that single episode lol

[@dylangarcia3898]

I would have liked to see the bad batch land on desix instead of crosshair and his crew and maybe interact with the tawni ames I wonder how echo would have interacted with her to be honest as the separatists put him through hell

[@Lawrence_Talbot]

I always loved how Geonosis popped up a few times in the games during the Empire. Battlefront 2 with the restarted droids and Empire At War when the Empire mines the planet for minerals needed for the Death Star and the Geonosian slaves revolt

[@georgeoldsterd8994]

Wait, what? Battlefront 2? Oh, you mean EA's Battlefront 2, right? Because Classic SWBF2 didn't have GCW-era fighting on Geonosis.

[@crabgamingreal]

i think he means when Gizor Dellso went to mustafar and rebuilt the droids for his revenge@@georgeoldsterd8994

[@RigbyWilde]

Although the Clone Wars were over, some people never seemed to get the message. The worst case of denial was Gizor Delso, a Geonosian Separatist who'd somehow escaped Lord Vader's efforts to wipe out the remnants of the CIS...

[@indianajones4321]

Honestly I think Bad Batch should have been more about CIS holdouts

[@Admiralreeder]

Man I love this era of Star Wars, especially the legends version with gizor dellso I wish we saw more of these holdouts!

[@BaxterAndLunala]

As Padme said, "So this is how liberty dies? With thunderous applause?".

[@rosiehawtrey]

Dim as a penny candle that girl. As my grandfather would put it "thick as a yard of lard". Still like the Sith Jar-Jar/Yoda, most mind altering ship ever 😳🥺

[@michaelandreipalon359]

"With cheering, and applause," saith the novelization.

[@hawaiianonymous3917]

It’s a Mandela effect, don’t you remember her saying “this is how “democracy” dies…”? Now it changed to liberty

[@KrypticElement]

I think alot of these could fit into Canon, especially New Plympto. That'd be sick. I also think the idea of re-canonizong Gizor Delso's holdout is interesting, given that Darth Vader's Castle on Mustafar would have been built by the time of that campaign

[@stingerjohnny9951]

“Would you like to see any of these stories in the canon?” I mean…is that actually a question?

[@АлексейМомот-щ7о]

We already saw it in Bad Batch.

[@darthcheesecake3392]

I'd rather not. But that's because I'm completely disinterested in Disney's canon. Not that I don't love me some seppie holdouts.

[@stingerjohnny9951]

@@darthcheesecake3392 fair point. I’d be interested if I was sure it’d be well adapted

[@darthcheesecake3392]

@@stingerjohnny9951 Pretty much, and I do not have that confidence in Disney. Years ago I would have. But that trust has been eroded, they've done nothing to earn it back.

[@jaohonaxa]

I remember in that episode of the Bad Batch season 2 with the attack on the separatist hold out the Governor said: “Count Dooku was right. The republic was turning into something worse.” Yeah he was right because he was helping to turn it into that. It really is tragic when you realize how many of the separatists were as blind to Dooku as the republic was to Palpatine.

[@alecatnight1540]

I need a show about the story of those who believed in the CIS and reactivated droids

[@rezza_lynsaii]

fr or at least another novel exc

[@CloneScavengerVulpin8389]

I'm happy the bad batch and star wars: rebels showed us the perspectives of the separatists, that we rarely saw in the clone wars.

[@occam7382]

To be fair, the Separatists during the Clone Wars were essentially puppets of Palpatine to help foster the Empire's creation, so of course they'd be presented as the bad guys. In Rebels and The Bad Batch, they weren't shackled by that puppetry anymore, so we could actually see them for what they were, rather than what Palpatine wanted us to see them as.

[@CloneScavengerVulpin8389]

@@occam7382 his manipulations even worked on the the fans.

[@occam7382]

@@CloneScavengerVulpin8389, indeed. That's why he's the single greatest fictional villain out there.

[@CloneScavengerVulpin8389]

@@occam7382 agreed

[@Xenorvya]

@@occam7382 A good villain, until he was brought back.. Prefer Melon.

[@princeofpokemon2934]

If the Separatists also accepted recruit some across the Galaxy, the Republic wouldn't have stood much of a chance. Case in point, the Clones were trained to fight against droids, not organics. Even when they do fight against organic resistance groups that fight with the Separatists, they hated it so much. And if that were the case, it wouldn't make much of a difference if the Separatist Droid armies received at the deactivation signals.

[@TheSuperRatt]

Palpatine ensured that the bulk of the CIS armies were droids. We can't enter conversations about what factions should have done, without first remembering that they were both manufactured by, and ultimately controlled by, Darth Sidious. Thus, the actions they took were according to his will.

[@princeofpokemon2934]

@@TheSuperRatt yet that didn't stop a few loyalists from fighting alongside the droids.

[@Chaotic_Jackal]

Keep in mind that most of the Separatist systems where comparatively sparsely populated Outer Rim planets that realistically had neither the time or resources to properly train up a fighting force capable of doing much more then defending their home territories. While those few that did where largely driven to near economic collapse in order to fund the droid armies. That’s one of the things I really like about the Clone Wars as it shows just how masterfully Palpatine manipulated the whole affair to ensure that things would always play out in his favor.

[@josesanchezrodriguez1783]

Most battles in the Clone Wars were fought between Planetary Defense Forces against other Planetary Defense Forces whithout a single droid or clone in sight. The clones were not trained to fight only against droids, their training took place way before they even knew they would be going up against an army of battle droids and the ones that were born during the conflict entered service way after it had started.

[@lerneanlion]

This raised two questions: Whatever happened to Commander Kraken, the Super Tactical Droid that served directly under Count Dooku at the Invasion of Scipio? Also, how did the Empire conquer Ringo Vinda when the Republic was forced to withdrawn in a middle of the battle because of the premature execution of Order 66?

[@Guardsman-sy8qm]

When you consider the Reconquest of the outer Rim, Ships like the Imperial 1 make a good bit of sense. They should've continued producing smaller escorts and venators enmass but the ISD is a fine desi when yor fighting Sepratist holdouts who have full CIS fleets.

[@occam7382]

The Imperial-class was an old battleship designed to fight other battleships in broadsides. The Venator-class was a modern assault carrier that could project its owner's power across multiple systems and annihilate its enemies without even needing to see them.

[@noahhaupt5343]

I never really understood why the destruction of the death star was the moment that ended and started a new historical era in star wars. I feel like the rise of the empire would be a more significant moment in galactic history. The time frames should B.E. Before the Empire (everything prior to revenge of the sith), R.E. Reign of the Empire (everything between revenge of the sith to the dark empire story arc) and A.E. After the Empire.

[@theliato3809]

It was used as an ooc dating for various creators working on Star Wars since the battle of yavin is Probabaly the most well know. part of Star Wars to most people who’ve partaken in the franchise

[@PainfulHail134]

Yeah I always wonder why is it BBY

[@holeeshi9959]

what I wished in Prequel and Clone wars is that the Separatists and rebel alliance have a bit more shared elements, like a few more characters who are in both or maybe a vehicle/weapon/aliens that are shared between them.....like Genosian or Neimoidian rebel commanders, or maybe take a few designs from the rebel startships and give them separatist origins

[@blakeetter280]

If Gunray deactivated the fleet imagine if his capture had actually stuck. Because the extraction easily could have failed and he’d be in custody. In that case I don’t doubt he’d hand over the shut down switch fast enough, if palpatine didn’t kill him first

[@CD-Freedom]

I just purchased the OG Battlefront 1 and 2. This video is getting me pumped for the campaign!

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Hope you'll play multiplayer too. The servers can be scarce at times, but you'll manage.

[@FoxHoundUnit90]

Once again, legends proves to be the more interesting lore

[@marshalllatta2073]

I will love to see more separatist holdouts

[@jaide1312]

I want to see a story about a holdout that managed to endure, and their journey in joining the rebel alliance.

[@annawhite1591]

love the agarrmar plot and arc, connects rebels to saw even more, which is one of the only things to have saw, it was the tact droid saw was against, mostly,

[@Мазай-ш8ю]

7:36 To put Mandalorian protectors and Mandalorian Filoni in the same row is an insult.

[@bakasta5992]

Good, be insulted

[@viperson9818]

I always questioned how Kalani was able to defy the shutdown order.

[@occam7382]

He was a specialized Super Tactical Droid. He might've had something that allowed him to defy the order if he believed it wasn't genuine. Not sure, but knowing Kalani, I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case.

[@cjthebeesknees]

Read the title and ngl got super hyped! Real OGs love the CIS, can I get a Roger Roger? 👀

[@jawafreak230]

@Geetsly’s Like the video. However, at 3:51, you actually made a slight oversight: there is a Separatist Holdout on Geonosis in the Galactic Civil War Era, composed entirely of Separatist Battle Droids. It comes from the video game Star Wars Rogue Squardron III: Rebel strike. It’s from the Relics of Geonosis mission, specifically the foot-combat section. Upon landing, the battle droids open fire upon Wedge, R5, and crashed Imperials, who also use a LAAT/I Gunship, which was piloted by Sarkli.

[@Phillisophical]

Yea, I want to see all of it canonized.

[@keanusmith4990]

I would love to hear more about Senator Toonbuck Toora and more in depth details about her stand against the empire.

[@brokenbridge6316]

Wouldn't it be great if we saw more Separatist holdouts in future SW: Series n Episodes?

[@Chaotic_Jackal]

It would but that seems unlikely given how LucasArts seems to be mostly concerned with filling in the events between Ep.6 and Ep.7 or doing High Republic stuff.

[@AngelDust6969]

Kalani's holdout really made me think of that one Japanese officer from WW2 who viewed the surrender of Japan as Allied propaganda, much like how Kalani believed the shutdown order to be a Republic trick.

[@vikingsword3485]

The true heroes of the galaxy. I would have liked some more focus on these planets

[@cmdrmacksealy7640]

Excellent video! Good to see the Seps gave the Empire hell.

[@amanzeihedioha]

Any mention of those plucky gangster battle droids that started a good ol' war with Triple 0, his psycho sidekick, and their meatbag slave?

[@churlie9473]

and it doesn't matter how desperate we get, we will fight back until we are free.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Hold out while you can, but being one with the Force is inevitable, *for it has already willed as such even before your respective species and creators were even deigned by the Celestials, fate, and circumstance.*

[@georgeoldsterd8994]

Man, the CIS was done dirty.

[@BbyFceDvl]

Imagine being the "lucky" Imperial Admiral or commander told to investigate still-active CIS space. As in fleets still online and sectors still very much aligned with the Separatist cause. Good luck 💀

[@moderndemon84]

Glad you mentioned Gizor Dellso.

[@panos617]

1:47 - 2:01 : "To those who build Empires, they saw peopole as tools" Napoleon Bonapart

[@fallout44454]

The CIS will rise again

[@Clorox-enjoyer]

The separatist was the rebellion before the rebellion.

[@OverTheTop85]

These stories show you what the "sequel" trilogy could've been. I'm just glad I can pretend it doesn't exist! Like everyone knows there's only three Indiana Jones and two Terminators just how it is!

[@annawhite1591]

becuz of bad batch season 2 ep3 lines "dooku was right, he forsaw something worse rising, an empire" makes me wonder if he told his ppl that an evil empire would rise from the republic as an evil plan

[@Chaotic_Jackal]

Course he was right, he was a key conspirator in the plot to bring about said evil empire after all. So why wouldn’t he use that to spook more systems into joining the CIS which was always intended to lose and prove justification for the evils of the Empire.

[@colehagan7806]

I cant wait for fallen survivor to see why kal clashes with a separtist holdout especially a well equipped one with commandos

[@mitchcoleman1238]

I played Battlefront 2 a lot, and the mission on Mustafar was one of my many favorites!! I’d really like to see that mission canonized!!

[@dakotasherman632]

As someone who is playing STBF 2 (the OG 2005 version) again, it warms my heart to see all the Tying Up Loose Ends quotes in the comments.

[@jadebrownbull4873]

In the end, the Confederacy of Independent Star Systems fought the ongoing colonization of the core worlds of the Republic to their last stand. Both inorganic and organic forces of the Separatists are battle hardened guerilla fighters and warriors fighting against Clones, the Jedi and the storm troopers of the Empire.

[@draculinalilith396]

I love the CIS it was always my favorite faction as a kid. I love that, since they are droids, they can almost entirely be restored given a good enough enemy or ally or whatever. The droids are not really good nor evil and its epic. Kalani proved that even further, the droids deserve so much more, id even like a cis or droid perspective show or movie.

[@greenbean2222]

The Bad Batch should have followed Clone Force 99 serving The Empire until they truly realized how fucked The Empire was. • Following The Bad Batch while they serve The Empire longer, seeing how The Clones are treated, but different Clones Legions and Companies receive different prototype Transitional Stormtrooper armor, and experimental weapons in their fight against Separatist Holdouts and even Jedi Resistance. • Slowly, Clone Force 99 becomes disillusioned with The Empire after witnessing Phase Zero Dark Troopers AND other suspicious activity by the new order. • Then and only then do The Bad Batch leave The Empire, with the Clones at this point beginningto be phased out. The Rise of The Empire is a unique era that is heavily temporary, if you fast forward through the little events that make it so fascinating, you rush right back into The Empire vs Rebels which last at least a good 15 years or so. Let's explore the early weapons, armor and vehicles The Empire tested and played with before being phased out for what you see by the time of a New Hope and Rebels. I'm just ranting, but man do I love Legends for how they stretched out Clone service and interesting plots like a seppie holdout on Mustafar and so on.

[@goldeagle6431]

These last stands were no match for the ferocity of the Senate.

[@zexalbrony4799]

After Reading the Title: Yes! After Watching the Video: Wait, you didn't mention the New Plympto Separatists led by Jedi Dass Jennier. Booooooo! lol. Also, I personally feel much of this stuff can still fit into canon, especially the Battle Front 2 stuff since nothing in the new canon really contradicts this stuff. Also, also, maybe you could do a video on the others who had early resistance against the Empire, like the Wookies when they teamed up with those eight surviving Jedi and a bunch of reprogrammed Battle Droids to fight the Empire in 19 BBY.

[@ratte6090]

Wait, what?! Where’s this story been?

[@zexalbrony4799]

@@ratte6090 The novel, Dark Lord: The Rise of Darth Vader. Don't have the actual book myself, but I've read about all that happened on Wookiepedia, as well as watched a video or two by Star Wars KZbinrs on some aspects of it, and it sounded pretty awesome. Fun fact, in Legends this was how Obi-Wan learned Anakin had survived, since the outcome of the battle was broadcasted on the Holonews on many planets, even Tatooine, to scare people into not resisting the Empire, and the broadcast mentioned how Darth Vader led the Imperil forces and killed 50 Jedi, that last bit was, of course, propganda as there were only 8 Jedi on the planet and Vvader only killed 3 as the other 5 escaped.

[@N7warrior007]

You know knowing many separatists joined the rebels against empire I don't think we ever learned how the new Republic treated them? We're they allowed to not be part of the new Republic? Did they decide to join them, or were they not given any choice

[@Hello-bi1pm]

At least in canon they have two separate governments that NR had border disputes with. One is full-on corporate side of the Separatists, the other are just normal Separatists. So Separatists even separated from themselves because they got screwed over by corporations.

[@aurathedraak7909]

I think this would be a great short episodes but knowing Disney and yet they got a lot to work with, it's never going to happen.

[@theawesomeman9821]

I would love for Disney to cover these events in several OVAS like they did for Tales of The Jedi.

[@hunterackerman1697]

I actually take Legends as Canon until it is canonically proven otherwise.

[@annawhite1591]

speakin of mando's and pirates, wonder if the imperial light cruiser will be put back into play in season 3 to help fight the pirate flag ship, which is neat to see a new ship, reminds me of emperor ship for some reaosn

[@topcat59]

Cool vid bro.😺

[@Uzzgub]

A Interaction for the Interaction God, a Comment for the Comment Throne, for the Almighty Algorithm

[@robertagu5533]

This was a big oversite on the remaining CIS forces hold outs. They shoulda fought to join up an combine forces with the Rebels or worked with them to fight the Empire however they could. An is it really a "kill" or "deactivation" command/switch if your product can decide "nope, denied I'm not doing that... I refuse.." That's like telling your random house appliances to do something like stop overcooking your food or turn up the temp on the fridge food is freezing too much.. an they tell you "no"

[@nunchuckcanuck2827]

Disney "we really had nothing to go off of when making the sequel" Also Disney: copy and pastes the original movies making zero effort to add anything new or interesting.

[@nunchuckcanuck2827]

"ThEy fLy NoW"

[@Turbulation1]

There was a part in the video where some CIS forces did rally up and join together to fight the Empire, but it simply wasn't enough because they were heavily outgunned and outnumbered. And technically it can be classified as a deactivation command as while some products did refuse to shut down or got reactivated, 90% of the C.I.S did get deactivated and stayed that way.

[@joshuawells835]

If the Bad Batch does end up giving was a Clone Rebellion, I think seeing Gizor Dellso's Holdout is logically a next not the list.

[@iainballas]

I would love to see a new Dave Filoni animated show about the rebel alliance. "Star Wars: Alliance Anthologies" Where it just starts taking characters back out of legends, and telling of key moments in the Rebellions history. The Bothan Raid to get the Death Star plans, the tactics different cells used, a few of the big victories and defeats. I'd also love to see a show diving more into the fully-established empire, maybe 10-8BBY, that delves into how many did join to help make the galaxy peaceful... of course, only to find out that the order they are supporting isn't the best solution. The Hand of Judgement (the five stormtrooper deserters) would make a great intro. Wouldn't be exactly like Bad Batch, as the Stormtroopers did believe in the imperial cause from the get-go. They also tried to keep up their vision of the empire when they left, taking their version of imperial justice to remote places.

[@jaxsonlambert9750]

I would love to these stories to make it over to canon!

[@EzekielDeLaCroix]

Hell yeah! The good guys of the Clone Wars! The Confederacy!

[@АлександрВишняков-т6ф]

The Outer Rim will rise again

[@ants7279]

About dam time

[@jarrodbright5231]

Nute Gunray sent the shutdown command to the droid army? Really? I was pretty sure Nute was in pieces when Anakin sent that shutdown command at Palpatine's instruction in Revenge of the Sith.

[@StarOfHala]

Yes i would like

[@samfordmagnus7774]

I thought sidious made vader shut the droids down since gunray was shish kebabed?

[@paulsarnik8506]

Toonbuck Toora and bibbity bobbity boo!😮. 🤓😎✌🏻

[@Trooper-66]

Wait you said that the CIS cores was reformed 15 years later and won against the Empire, How, who and What do you mean? Do you mean the rebel alliance?

[@Chaotic_Jackal]

He’s referring to the Rebel Alliance but there was also two different Separatist successor governments formed after the battle of Endor in the new canon, (The Confederacy of Corporate Systems and the New Separatist Union) though as of yet we know virtually nothing about them other then the fact that they exist (or existed anyway) in the immediate aftermath of the GCW.

[@annawhite1591]

what race is the alien of the sep command is at 6:36

[@macwade2755]

This is Canon for me!

[@DROIDFARM]

CIS forever!

[@MothMAN351]

Long live the Confederacy of independent systems

[@pogerpog9992]

Dude i always loved the republic but the cis is 5x better

[@racspartan1]

👍

[@andersonjulioborsatto1253]

👍👍👍👍👍

[@nunchuckcanuck2827]

All these dope ass characters and we got Ray and monmothma. Wamon power yay🙃

[@Catchierduck]

hi can we have a link to the discord in the next vid i want to join but the link has expired