Every Major Pro League has FAILED cities

[@brodiebrazil]

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[@nfalls75]

What's even worse in the Chargers situation: During the TV blackout days, they would sometimes have problems selling out games because the Murph was so massive. The main reason it was massive was because SD was a coveted Superbowl city, and SD wanted to accommodate the league to keep that ball rolling. When those non-sellouts occurred, the city would buy the remaining tickets to get the games televised. And, this is the thanks San Diego gets from the NFL.

[@Wes1969YT]

Expos forever !!!!! I lost two teams in 9 years....the Montreal Expos (2004) and the Quebec Nordiques (1995) ! I follow your channel ! Great work by you ! Hi from Quebec City !

[@sampicano]

#BringbacktheNordiques #BringbacktheExpos

[@Jasontyo]

I just bought some new sports gear for this summer, A Coyotes benchclearers Jersey and an Expos Big League Chew hat, im gonna have a whole "dead teams" gimmick going on.

[@jameskingsbery3644]

Just need a Charlotte Bobcats and a Houston Oilers hat to round things out.

[@tonyschmitz1997]

@@jameskingsbery3644don’t forget something for the Cleveland Barons

[@gordonlong3095]

Well, over the years, Oakland has lost 3 basketball teams while SF lost 2 (SF lost them to Oakland, and the Warriors moved to Oakland and back, and Oakland lost the Warriors twice), lost football 3 times (twice being the Raiders), hockey once, and soccer 3 times, so it’s not just been the A’s. And almost every lost team was affiliated with the Coliseum or the Arena, almost to the point of cursedness despite the teams winning several championships among themselves. In a 16-year span, San Diego lost 3 basketball teams, a hockey team, and 2 soccer teams, and nearly lost the Padres as well. Anaheim has lost six teams over the years, Sacramento one, LA at least 13 teams (including losing football 6 times), Long Beach once, and San Francisco at least 6 teams. All the cities in California have been victimized by leagues and owners, and I know that every state and province with major pro teams from New York to Texas, Alberta to Massachusetts, and Florida to Illinois have been hit, sometimes really hard, enough to write a long series of books about.

[@Statsy10]

Wow, until you read out that whole list, I had no idea things had been quite that bad in California. I think you should probably write that book. 😉

[@DieYuppiieSkum]

Also how the leftist Democrats are destroying cities and letting crime happened, like Oakland that barely lost all teams and the mayor's property's got raided by the FBI recently, for allegedly being involved in illicit scheme content and she's facing a recall for her poor leadership.

[@fantasyEXX]

Who are the 6 teams Anaheim lost? Rams, Arsenal and? The minor league roller hockey team bullfrogs? The arena football team KISS? Who are the other two

[@Statsy10]

@@fantasyEXX Whoa, I don't want to see the Anaheim Bullfrogs on any list of failed teams. They doubled and occasionally nearly tripled the average league attendance! It was the league that failed, not the team.

[@MichaelHeilman]

When it comes to St. Louis, look at the Battlehawks (UFL). They led the league in attendance in the XFL and now the UFL. They are loyal football fans and many, including myself want to see the league succeed so they can go into markets that lost NFL teams while putting teams in new markets.

[@krisrizakis9989]

Thanks!

[@purplesprigs]

As a long time resident of the STL metro, nothing gets under my skin more than LOSERS stating that STL did not support its football teams. Nothing could be further from the truth.

[@nickb2912]

Most of these were due to bad ownership. If you fail in a large city like Phoenix and Atlanta that is 100% on the ownership, you never put together a competitive team that put fans in the stands.

[@timothyflanigan1777]

In the mid to late 90’ the NHL had Quebec moving to Colorado, Winnipeg moving to Arizona and Hartford moving to Carolina.

[@bobmularky7456]

North Stars erasure

[@timothyflanigan1777]

@@bobmularky7456 you are absolutely correct.

[@michaelleroy9281]

North Stars moving to Dallas

[@Jasontyo]

The Rochester Royals in Rochester NY traded the rights to eventual 10 time NBA Champion Bill Russel to Boston for the rights to the Ice Capades. The Royals are now known as the Sacramento Kings.

[@scruffydog2]

Cincinnati built them a new area and they just left.

[@Kanrue]

A part 2 is definitely necessary on this topic

[@saryphx]

Actually, St. Louis didn’t build the dome for the Rams. They actually built it for a potential expansion team in 1995, but then offered it to the Rams after that failed. Also, the league initially refused to let the Rams leave LA, but Georgia threatened to sue the league and they caved.

[@bcranford714]

Yeah I think Walter Payton was part of that group but the expansion team went to Jacksonville

[@S_Over_Street]

The prior owner of the New England Patriots back in the very early 90s nearly moved to St Louis (as why that city built the Domed football stadium). But ultimately the NFL rejected the idea & that owner sold the Patriots to some guy named Robert Kraft.

[@soxpacker]

​@@S_Over_StreetThe NFL did not reject the idea... what happened was Kraft owned the old stadium in Foxboro and there was several years left on the lease. The guy from St. Louis who was purchasing the team kept trying to negotiate with Kraft a way out of the lease but Kraft wouldn't budge. Eventually, the St. Louis buyer gave up and sold the team to Kraft. The league, as it often has, turned the other way. It was Kraft who saved the team.

[@skidawg22]

Guess who sabotaged the St. Louis expansion efforts? #KroenkeOut

[@sdeepj]

The scares of the Nordiques moving is still felt. You can buy a Nordiques jersey and Nordiques’ apparel at the NHL website. And they sell better than some current teams. Hockey is more than a game in Quebec, it’s a religion there.

[@sampicano]

I have a nordiques hat lol (I would NEVER buy a Canadiens hat...even though amazing jerseys) How about Les Loups du Québec? That has a nice ring to it... #BringbacktheNordiques #QuebecNordiques

[@Edward92546]

The Dodgers left Brooklyn when I was a kid and I still feel it. I became a Mets fan eventually and enjoy them. But they're not the Dodgers. It doesn't say Brooklyn on their jerseys. The Dodgers were ours. They were Brooklyn. My heart goes out to any fan who has to stand by helplessly while their beloved team moves away.

[@thewhale9527]

Here in Hartford too :(

[@rkdazet]

Thank you, Brodie! I know these are only a few examples from each league. But to me the one that really stands out is a MLB Fail! And it's all about "The Ghosts of Flatbush"! I don't think fans in Brooklyn and NYC will ever forgive Walter O'Malley and NY Commissioner for that one! And not only did Walter O"Malley move the Dodgers to California, he convinced the Giants owner to move with him! And all over building a new stadium for the Dodgers in Brooklyn!

[@MetalGod999]

Excellent video by Brodie about the Big 4 sports leagues failing cities. I looked up Detlef Schrempf's stats on Wikipedia, and he actually played with the Indiana Pacers before joining the Seattle SuperSonics. But Detlef was one helluva player throughout his career. To me, however, the Brooklyn Dodgers leaving for Los Angeles is the saddest relocation story in pro sports. Think about this: The Brooklyn Dodgers had quite possibly the best and most loyal fans in baseball back in their heyday. They stayed true to the Dodgers through thick and thin. And Walter O'Malley wanted to build a new stadium for the Dodgers, and was planning to finance it on his own dime. But Robert Moses and the New York political big-wigs wouldn't let him. So that's why O'Malley moved the Dodgers to L.A. Ironically, the site of the Barclays Center, where the Brooklyn Nets call home, is where O'Malley originally wanted to build his ballpark for the Brooklyn Dodgers.

[@lewa503]

For someone who works in the Sharks region, he sure talks a lot about the Yotes.

[@squidMB]

With adam silver saying they’re going to earnestly look into expansion in the fall. Hopefully they’ll finally right the wrong of relocating Seattle

[@dreamcage1801]

Seattle and St. Louis should get a team

[@dannythunder3180]

According to Depressed Ginger, Vegas and Seattle are the leading candidates

[@krisrizakis9989]

With the Expos, there was an ownership issue. Jeffrey Loria didn't want to buy the expos. The league pushed him to. From day one, he did everything possible to ruin the bond between the fans and the expos which included the tv and radio rights. The club had multiple local investors. MLB had insisted that Loria had to be the manager owner despite not being the biggest shareholder. Loria kept putting up cash calls that caused the dilution of how much the local owners owned of the team. rumours floatted almost immediately he was eying a move to either New Jersey or Northern Virginia.The team was run into the ground. When Henry decided to buy the Red Sox, MLB orchestrated a swap where Henry got the Red Sox, Loria the Marlins and MLB the expos. When they got the team, they saw how bad things Loria had left them, the league decided to contract them with the Twins. Eventually the team was movde to Washington. Montreal fans stayed away not because they didn't love their team, they just didn't want their money going to Loria. If the fans hated the team, why is the expos brand still extremely popular in the city and in other MLB cities.

[@ronclark9724]

Cities don't own the teams, filthy rich billionaires do... And they sell their teams to the highest bidder, even to an owner in another city...

[@johnny234511]

I missed my Expos.Had season ticket for the last 3 years.

[@sampicano]

#BringBacktheExpos

[@ClintMcCollum]

Without going into research mode, most of these cities end up doing what the exiting team wanted, but for an expansion team or other league franchise. The Browns left for Baltimore over a new stadium, but the city ended up doing it for an expansion team. Baltimore didn't want to build a new stadium for the Colts, but did so for the Ravens. Seattle didn't act on the Sonics need for an arena, but did so for NHL expansion. I bet you will see Arizona come up with an arena plan here in the next year or two and get their new team.

[@TheChamrod04]

The Browns situation is not at all as you described. Art Modell was about to be bankrupt because he was a bad owner. The stadium ploy was more of a way to prevent him becoming bankrupt (the straw that broke the camel's back was the Andre Rison signing). Wasn't just because Modell wanted a new stadium, he was looking for a financial lifeline and Baltimore gave it.

[@ClintMcCollum]

@@TheChamrod04 Every owner has their "reasons", but the outcomes are the same. A city sometimes has to lose a major sports franchise before they go forward with with new stadium to attempt to get another franchise.

[@TheTyJager]

I think a missed part about the Supersonics is how the team owners factored into the move too with Howard Schultz selling to Clay Bennett who was from Oklahoma

[@chrisguardiano6143]

If we were to expand this to MLS, they too have had some failed cities. For example in San Jose, the original version of the Earthquakes were moved to Houston (and becoming the Dynamo) after the 2005 season due to the club not being able to get a new soccer specific stadium built & the league deeming Spartan Stadium as inadequate for MLS matches. This despite the fact that they were one of the league's most successful franchises on the field having won MLS Cups in 2001 & 2003 & were well supported. It took MLS bringing back the Earthquakes in 2008 for MLS to repair its relationship with San Jose. Then there's Chivas USA which was MLS's first attempt at a 2nd LA franchise that was an absolute disaster both on & off the field. And prior to Inter Miami & Orlando coming into MLS, the league failed big time in Florida with the Miami Fusion & Tampa Bay Mutiny (even though both had decent fan support) so much so that the league had to contract both clubs after the 2001 season & the entire league almost folded as a result. Inter Miami joining MLS has helped ease the pain somewhat for those that remember the Fusion going away in South Florida but MLS has yet to return to Tampa (though USL has helped fill the soccer void there with the Rowdies).

[@sampicano]

it's weird Phoenix and Detroit don't have teams yet...like REALLY weird...MLS has the most potential cities And I would LOVE a promotion/relegation system... 64 teams total: 32 in Div 1 (MLS) 32 in Div 2 (USL) - winner of USL promoted to MLS each year - worst team in MLS relegated to USL

[@fantasyEXX]

@@chrisguardiano6143 Chivas USA is LAFC

[@rayg6497]

The fans are in a catch-22. If there is good attendance, the owners don't spend the money to field a good team. If they don't show up to see a bad team, the team moves.

[@ronclark9724]

Frankly the players are earning far too much... Some players are earning more than these owners top corporate headquarters employees....

[@skidawg22]

I still feel that the NFL situation in St. Louis was far more egregious than the situation in San Diego. St. Louis was willing to replace the Dome with a new open air stadium - and the team responded by lying about the stadium and St. Louis being "just a baseball town." This was St. Louis holding their end of the bargain per the NFL relocation policy, which the league themselves violated. Further, of the three cities that lost teams in that debacle, St. Louis was the only one to successfully sue the league - all because of the league breaking its own rules. As a result, the NFL's relocation policy is now recognized as an enforceable contract under Missouri law, and St. Louis now hosts the biggest fan base in the UFL. Go BattleHawks! Ka-Kaw is the Law!

[@dreamcage1801]

Bring a NBA team along too

[@seankennedy6525]

What’s going on with your San Jose Sharks?

[@jessiegandhi4340]

The NHL also failed Atlanta 2x

[@mosinc7388]

Meanwhile, today in St Petersburg the City council has approved public funding for a new Rays stadium.

[@Enginshim]

All about arena or stadium funding.

[@S_Over_Street]

If the Chargers don’t win a SB let alone make a SB in the next 15-20 years, I think they move out of L.A. depends on who still is owner. My dream scenario, someone (or a group of investors) buy the Chargers & move back to San Diego as they privately finance their new stadium in the San Diego area.

[@aicofrena505]

We don't want that trash

[@wittynclever]

Business owners in America care about one thing and one thing only, making money. They don't care where the money comes from, and they don't care if people outside of the business are negatively impacted by them making money. As soon as there is a perceived opportunity to make more money someplace else, one of two things happens. The business will use that new "opportunity" as leverage against their existing location, or they will just flat out turn their backs and leave. At no point in time, does the business take into consideration what the customer wants, or what is best for the city in which they operate. They only care about getting as much money as possible. Yay American Capitalism........

[@dreamcage1801]

Greedy and corrupt

[@RudieObias]

I'm from Cleveland, Ohio and as much as I love the Cleveland Browns, it's just not the same since the original team left in 1995. I'm happy that the colors, name, and history stayed in Cleveland, but the organization was very special to me as a kid. It hurts even more seeing all the success the Baltimore Ravens have had since 1996, while the Browns have been bottom of the barrel since the team's return in 1999.

[@alexd481]

Minnesota has lost teams in virtually every major sports league, the North Stars, Lakers, Duluth Kelly's / Eskimos, even the White Sox were here briefly as the Saints, before Comiskey took them to Chicago. I think there was also a professional lacrosse team that relocated as well.

[@zcorpalpha2462]

Go A’s ‼️🔥🥃🤣

[@brianwong7901]

Brodie thank you for sharing this video. I found this very informative. I’m a/ was a Coyote fan. They have not had the best ownership in their time there. Also playing in three different arenas in the 28 years that they were there. I’m hoping that there will be a new owner willing to work with the city and county to get a new arena and team there. I’m also hoping that S. Doan could come back in some capacity to help out. His son was drafted by Arizona before they eventually moved.

[@hashbrownfob]

The thing I find crazy about teams relocating is that seems to be a strictly American thing. If you look at, say the UK (or honestly any other country), teams don't relocate, they are very much ingrained with the community. The ownership of most teams listen to the fans, if fans call for firing the coach, the ownership will consider it. Teams are look as an extension of the community instead of just a business. I feel so bad for Yotes, As, etc fans, I would hate to lose any of my teams. Almost lost the Twins but was saved by the metrodump contact.

[@justjohnny420]

When I was a kid I used to be an Expos fan and still miss that team 🫡 I liked their logo and everyone in my family cheered for Blue Jays so i wanted to be different 😂

[@Not_Sal]

It’s crazy how the U.S. is the only country this really happens. In England, the one example of relocation is Wimbledon FC moving to 45 miles north from South London to Milton Keynes back in 2002. Even though Wimbledon were a small club with a small fanbase that spent most of its history at the non-league level, and one of many clubs throughout greater London, the backlash to this relocation was very strong. To this day, people absolutely hate MK Dons. The thing with soccer though, is even if there is relocation or a team has to fold due to financial issues, there’s always a chance the club can return as a phoenix club at the non-league level and then climb up the ranks. That’s exactly what Wimbledon supporters did. Though it’s technically a different club from the original Wimbledon FC, the fans now have AFC Wimbledon.

[@MovieEggman]

The Climate Change Arena is currently my favorite arena in the NFL, the NBA needs to return to Seattle, great sports city, great fanbase.

[@brandonsmith5488]

You’ll never convince me that stadiums/arenas are the reason teams don’t do well and fans stop showing up

[@hotwax9376]

I would add Brooklyn in MLB as another example. While the Mets were supposed to be the NL team to replace both the Dodgers and Giants, their home field has always been in Queens and their name is the New York Mets, not the Brooklyn Mets. The Mets have paid significant tribute to both the Dodgers and Giants (particularly in their colors and the design and opening ceremonies of Citi Field), and they have a Minor League affiliate in Brooklyn, but it's still not the same as when Brooklyn had the Dodgers. (BTW, none of this is to say that the Dodgers were wrong to move west, only that MLB was wrong not to give Brooklyn a team that wasn't shared with the rest of NYC.) If MLB can find a way to negotiate with the Yankees' and Mets' territorial rights (and I think they possibly could), then they should consider Brooklyn for future expansion (though probably not this next round), and until then have games in Brooklyn like the Field of Dreams and Negro Leagues tribute games. They could even make it a tribute to Jackie Robinson, kinda like the Negro Leagues game has served as a tribute to Willie Mays (RIP). As for the Chargers situation, the Rams had already returned to LA by the time the Chargers decided to move, so I don't think it was simply a case of the NFL wanting to get back to that market, even though they clearly did and wanted a team in both conferences there.

[@brandonsmith5488]

Idk if the Sonics really FAILED tho…

[@TrocarSlushWeasel]

Weren't the A's seriously moving on a new stadium build in San Jose before the Giants and Bud Selig crushed it?

[@jeremyd1869]

Yep, that was a thing.

[@Beso858]

As a San Diegan, I grew up a Chargers fan, but haven't watched the nfl since. I chose the Coyotes as my nhl team bc I didn't like the Kings/ducks, so now I'm probably not watching that either. Grew up in a big sports family, but I don't really think they were meant for me.

[@maxpowr90]

As a Patriots STH, 2 years ago, so many people said I was crazy that Jonathan Kraft (heir-apparent) to Robert Kraft, will build a soccer stadium near Boston for his NE Revolution. When Bob Kraft dies, Jonathan is gonna inherit and then sell the Patriots and the property in/around Gillette Stadium. Gillette and the Patriots will become another billionaire's headache. Come today, the soccer stadium in Everett (a city just outside Boston) will break ground soon to clean up the toxic dump (see Arizona, it is possible) and eventually build said stadium. I think it will be great for the Boston area, but it will definitely hurt Foxborough and to lesser extent Mansfield.

[@PCSPounder]

A large chunk of American soccer fans prefer public transport to having to drive places. In Portland, the data says 50% of fans use Tri-Met. So I don’t think a new Revolution stadium hurts Foxborough, because there are a lot of potential fans who never- or rarely- ever wanted to go to Foxborough. That is… if this happens.

[@maxpowr90]

@@PCSPounder I agree with you, but I should extrapolate. It hurts Foxborough in terms of tax revenue; thus my comment about Mansfield as well since it's home to a concert venue. No doubt, musical acts would go the new soccer stadium to play near Boston; instead of the far-flung burbs of MA. Much easier to sell out a concert closer to Boston.

[@Kevin_C_Leonard_63]

​@@PCSPounderThe problem with Foxborough is that the MBTA only has regular commuter rail service to Foxborough on weekdays and only schedules service on weekends for marquee events (Patriots, concerts and the Inter Miami match). Since most of the Revolution's matches are on weekends fans have no choice but to drive.

[@vancouver8129]

There are many reasons why the Yotes (1.0?) failed. There is zero argument for the league failing them. The Yotes were subsidized by the league for tens if not hundreds of millions over the past 20 years, even owning/buying the team out of bankruptcy and fighting to make caselaw that owners are really shareholders in the league and not a collection of independent operators.

[@vancouver8129]

NHL failed Quebec City.

[@mattlabrecque7842]

Absolutely.​@@vancouver8129

[@TrocarSlushWeasel]

Yeah, Gary Bettman bent over backwards for years to keep the Coyotes in Arizona, with the Thrashers being collateral damage in Atlanta.

[@A350Airways]

@@TrocarSlushWeasel I wonder what made Arizona so important to Bettman that he was willing to keep the team there by any means necessary, until there was no choice... which became overdue after all options to get a new arena built were exhausted. Atlanta, on the other hand, had crappy ownership as well, but no real desire to replace the Phillips Arena...

[@chaosimproved]

Seems like this boils down to bad ownership groups and the leagues letting it happen.

[@tfmn218]

The five year drama surrounding the Utah hockey team and the A's should be a red flag for all the professional leagues. The money wells are slowly running dry. The sure thing extortion of a city isn't necessarily going to happen automatically like it once did. There is also the evolving media landscape... The existing contracts being approved are likely going to be the last and to be honest, I believe the leagues know it. So they've made their deals partnering with gambling, selling every surface for advertising and are desperately grabbing every last cash flow available and now you are seeing the athletes cashing in like they know a change is coming. By 2035, the sports landscape is going to be different. I doubt any of the leagues will resemble what they are now.

[@dancahill9585]

I think the best way to deal with it is Promotion/Relegation like Europe has. Some teams deserve to be minor league teams, like the Oakland A's. Low attendance, bad stadium, bad teams, bad ownerships. Why do they deserve to be a major league team again? Why does Oakland deserve a major league team more than Las Vegas or San Jose or whatever city? Let's face it, the A's have always been the poor relation of MLB. I remember Charlie Finley trying to sell players to get more revenue even though those A's were great teams. Charlie couldn't afford to keep them together because of the lousy fan support in Oakland.

[@celtics20078]

You should had mention the Modesto Nuts is leaving after 2024 season in the California baseball league of single A

[@brodiebrazil]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/g16okKCqgqiYm5o

[@huntermurphylaw]

The Braves and Atlanta

[@RogersHarrison]

Braves are still in Atlanta, just moved to a different county, which is still within the ATL city limits. How come you didn't bring up the Mets being in Flushing and not NYC?

[@TheRealMattstradamus]

Welp time to update: St Pete just passed the Rays new stadium 5-3! The stadium is moving forward Brodie!!!

[@sampicano]

it will be as successful as the current one...but cost the city a billion lol

[@TheRealMattstradamus]

@@sampicano who cares at least they won’t be leaving.. like other franchises..

[@jaimerosado3896]

Interestingly, the Arizona Coyotes are currently doing what the people of Cleveland and Charlotte like to pretend the original Cleveland Browns and Charlotte Hornets did. And a few years before the Montréal Expos moved to DC, the MLB actually considered dissolving them and the Minnesota Twins altogether.

[@stevenbauer4799]

Big difference-nhl failed in phx and atl. twice. nhl never gave kc a chance. nhl pulled out of hartford, qc, and winnipeg 1.0, sacrificed for bettman's cost certainty/revenue sharing he lost a season for. And norm green was a 'thief' just to buy north stars to move to dallas. Just like clay bennet and sonics to ok. c. Other owners like irsay, modell, adams, al davis (twice), bidwell, frontierre, spanos, were scumbags to move their teams from loyal fans. Lurie basically killed the expos off. Irsay did the same with the baltimore colts. And with az. yote saga over the a's are mlb's and pro sports joke franchise now.

[@Scott-vk4jv]

Did you feel bad for LA in 95?

[@TheChamrod04]

The leagues have not failed the cities at all. The commissioners for each of the leagues work at the behest of the owners. Owners want to make more revenue. They only care about the fans when they line their pockets. The scenario that will play out though is that sooner or later, these owners are going to run out of cities to move to and would have burned enough cities that they won't be able to play the relocation game. Fans need to realize that the teams do not care about them at all. It's business

[@jeremyd1869]

You wrote the leagues have not failed the cities, then explained how the leagues failed the cities via the owners and commissioners.

[@JL-sm6cg]

If you want to talk about failed cities for one league, talk about Atlanta and the NHL. BOTH Atlanta NHL teams bailed for Canada; the Flames went to Calgary, and the Thrashers went to Winnepeg to become the second coming of the Jets.

[@chrisw443]

this is why its hard to get into sports anymore.

[@tahuyachris]

I really hope the NBA gives Seattle another chance!!! Bring back the Sonics, baby!!!!

[@tonyschmitz1997]

This shows that pro leagues only care about stadium revenue cause the business model for a successful franchise isn’t necessarily performance in the field but rather revenue generated from stadium amenities. Baseball is then worst culprit. In most cases fans aren’t really there for the game their there for the experience. This is a model that minor leagues had used and major leagues have since adopted. Ever since this the beginning of the 90’s franchises have used cities all the time as leverage to get a new stadium passed and the League will eventually get

[@MrTAFSIYNOT]

The Coyotes were destroyed by an arrogant penny-pinching billionaire. In the late '70s, I remember the Phoenix Roadrunners had many sellouts at the old coliseum (15,000 plus). Hockey will thrive in Phoenix as long as you have a good competitive team on the ice. It was like a wild party with all the phony owners taking turns making their pile of money, with no dedication to building a competitive team.

[@sampicano]

1) Winnipeg should have never relocated - Winnipeg generated more revenue for the NHL than the Coyotes - Coyotes were a NET loss team (they lost money over their 28 years) - Winnipeg generates money for the NHL 2) When Winnipeg FINALLY came back in 2011 - Winnipeg's team was INSTANTLY worth more value than Phoenix...and it remained that way until Phoenix finally relocated this year - Winnipeg beat Phoenix/Arizona in attendance EVERY season 3) Arizona lost $115.2 million USD between 2012-2022 - out of 32 teams Arizona LOST the second most money - Winnipeg generated $5 million (after losing over $40 million during Covid they STILL generated money) compared to Arizona's 115.2 million in losses And you blame management. How come fans don't buy jerseys? Or tickets? Or show up in 1997? Or even want them in the city???? Scottsdale, Tempe, Glendale and Phoenix all said no to the Coyotes...if they were SO BELOVED...how come no cities in Arizona WANTED them? The management was bad. ALSO Arizona is a terrible hockey market. You never made money. You have no fans. Tucson has no fans....no city wanted the team. And they were a laughing stock for 28 years... Philadelphia made it work. Minneapolis made it work. Detroit made it work. Toronto made it work. Arizona failed miserably.

[@aaronstreitenberger6012]

I went to every home game during the 2007-2008 season of the Supersonics. Once Schultz sold the team, we knew Seattle's time with the NBA was over. I say good riddance. The NBA has changed so much and is unwatchable these days, nothing but shooters and bad defense. It doesn't really matter to me if Seattle gets another NBA team, I don't live there anymore and that league isn't worth my time. I can only hope the A's are saved last minute and stay in Northern California if not the Bay Area. Not looking forward to the M's dealing with the turf and 110+ in Sacramento lol. Great video!

[@ronpeacock9939]

Yeah.. so many moves where teams stuck a knife in the fan base... Cleveland Browns..Brooklyn dodgers, New York Giants (baseball)... I don't count the Baltimore Colts.. as the government was actually trying to take control of the team and essentially ran them out of town. The Yotes are tough because Phoenix was not very friendly to the team after Glendale tossed them out either mostly because of their deal with the NBA and Suns (is their excuse.). There are cities that beg for it... rarely fans.. almost always the government. I can see not using public funds (AKA - Billionaire Welfare).. but in some cases, they wouldn't help privately funded arena's/stadiums.

[@pjw5328]

The Colts were absolutely another situation where the stadium was the heart of the issue. Memorial Stadium was originally built in the 1920s and was very obsolete even by the early 70s. Everyone knew that, even the city and state officials, but you also had some extremely fiscally conservative people in the local government (including the state comptroller) who insisted that private enterprise should foot the entire bill for any new stadium project. There was a plan in the works around 1973-74 to build a multipurpose dome for both teams, but the legislature ultimately voted it down in ‘74. You can maybe fault the legislature of 1984 for overstepping in its efforts to save the Colts, but the one thing you can’t fault them for is trying to do right by the residents in Baltimore, both in trying to save them from an undue tax burden from any new stadium project and in trying to preserve the team in its original home. I moved to the Baltimore area about 20 years ago, and even having the Ravens now and with all the success they’ve had, the Colts are still a painful subject for a lot of people around here. Just last year when the Orioles’ ownership situation was unsettled and their lease at Camden Yards was running out, I could see all the old wounds from the Colts move resurfacing and a creeping fear rising among the fans of, “Oh God, is this about to happen to us again?”

[@jimmymurray7638]

Brodie what do you think of the 2024 All Star Game ?

[@provincialfish]

Olympic stadium is just a pain in the ass for fans to get to as well

[@nicholasciviero7289]

NFL has had their previous relocated teams have winning season's fans can favour à publicly fubded new stadium. Though fans should be more starter than that to fall for that regardless if their teams win.

[@peterbackes5381]

John Fisher should sell the team. The only cities to have MLB expansion Portland, Sacramento, San Jose, Las Vegas, Salt Lake City, Omaha, San Antonio, Albuquerque, Nashville, Louisville, Charlotte, Birmingham and Orlando.

[@charliem9831]

The A’s to Vegas is going to be an epic failure. Oakland fans deserve better.

[@bartphlegar8212]

Las Vegans deserve better. They deserve expansion...

[@sampicano]

I don't think the Bay Area needs 2 teams...you would NEVER expand into San Jose when Charlotte, Nashville, Salt Lake City, Portland, Austin exist.... I love Oakland (the city) but honestly, they can't support them. Oakland deserved better. Vegas will not fail...Oakland failed. That's why they lost the A's, and Raiders...and Golden Seals, and Golden State Warriors....it wasn't because Oakland was TOO GOOD of a market.

[@mikeymike8065]

You clearly have no clue. Sports teams are thriving in Vegas.

[@sampicano]

@@mikeymike8065 in 10 years...that desert hockey team will fail my passions are NHL history so you think you know MORE than me? probably not...I bet you are just an opinionated American you people know nothing and act like experts

[@mikeymike8065]

@@sampicano Well for it being "your passion" you know jack shit. Not that it matters or I give a shit what you think but you're wrong I'm not American .

[@Habebandebardown]

Talk about emotinal scars look at the nordiques fand

[@sampicano]

NFL should expand to: - Toronto - San Antonio/Austin - San Diego - St. Louis None of this London nonsense. NBA should expand to: - Seattle - Las Vegas MLB has a lot of options after the A's relocate... - Charlotte - Nashville - Salt Lake City - Portland - Austin - Louisville would be amazing NHL should expand into: - Quebec City (largest city in Canada without a team, larger than Winnipeg, BEYOND DIEHARD hockey fans) - Milwaukee (Wisconsin is a DIEHARD hockey state, has an NHL ready arena, and would have rivalries with Minnesota and Chicago) - Portland (Oregon has had hockey since 1914, the Portland Rosebuds even played for the Stanley Cup, the Portland Winterhawks have a diedhard following and they would have an insane rivalry with Seattle). The NHL always wants to expand but won't even consider expanding into large Northern cities. Such a missed opportunity. - Houston, Phoenix, Atlanta are all terrible choices...the NHL teams that lose the most money are Florida (Miami), Anaheim (LA), Carolina (Raleigh), Columbus, and Tampa. Arizona (Phoenix) was on that list but just relocated. ALL SOUTHERN MARKETS. THE NHL TEAMS THAT LOSE THE MOST MONEY ARE ALL SOUTHERN MARKETS. What team would generate more money for the NHL and a billionaire owner? A) a team in Houston, Phoenix, or Atlanta (another southern market) or B) a second team in Toronto, or Toronto-Hamilton? Have a season ticket drive and see who sells more tickets, Atlanta or Toronto. The winner gets a team.

[@dreamcage1801]

NBA should also expand to St. Louis and Louisville

[@geoff3103]

Except the NHL seems to REALLY screw it up since they've lost key, much needed markets like Atlanta and Phoenix.

[@stevenanderson7461]

This doesn't happen in the UK. It's all about the fans in the UK. We have big and small stadiums

[@brandonsmith5488]

Quebec City got shafted more than Arizona

[@fantasyEXX]

MLS is the model league. It's cheap to attend, fun and continuing to get better. They listen to fan input more than any other league. Only one time has a team moved cities (San Jose to Houston) and San Jose immediately got a new team back 2 years later. They slowly grew the league and now as they approach their 30th season in 2026 they seem to be very stable and profitable. If I was looking to buy a sports team, MLS would be my choice. NBA, NFL and MLB seemed to have reached their plateau as far as valuations go. Nobody is going to be paying $15 billion for a team anytime in the near future. NHL has room for growth but they need to make it affordable and don't let the drunk fans run wild at games. Cut off alcohol sales at the end of the first intermission

[@dreamcage1801]

Greedy and corrupt owners

[@bobdaniel350]

The ASU Icedevils are the only shining star for hockey in Arizona. This is a hard working front office and coach making its way in a rooted NCAA TRADITION. Hopefully the ex-owner is banished from the NHL. He needs to build an arena of food trucks and take his son with him. Bettman still struck out also. What a needless tragedy!

[@msn64man1]

John fisher boo

[@heneleschaaf2490]

A'S SELL THE TEAM

[@michaelleroy9281]

LA failed with the Rams back in 1994

[@ciesaro]

Georgia Frontiere drove the Rams into the ground.

[@mattreedah]

The Coyotes screwed the Coyotes

[@christopherr8162]

Montreal got the team at a time when they could be successful. MLB salaries were manageable with a modest stadium and the absence of corporate and premium "experiences." But shortly after, Montreal started to decline in importance as a city, players started making a ton more money, and fans expected more than an uncomfortable seat and overpriced hot dog. It is entirely possible that MLB didn't fail Montreal, Montreal just didn't have what it takes to have a perma-team there, and that's why the MLB hasn't been very serious about shaking that tree again. Other places in hockey that have lost their teams and not gotten one back include Hartford, Quebec, Kansas City, Cleveland and Oakland, kindof. Will Oakland ever get a pro team again? Maybe, but would you really be surprised if they didn't? I wouldn't. Will Baltimore, Buffalo, St. Louis, Vancouver, or NJ get an NBA team again? Maybe NJ, but it's also very possible that the time for the others has come and gone. These cities got a team for a period that it was convenient/easy for the leagues to grow, but in the end, the cities didn't make sense for those sports. If the orioles were to leave Baltimore for some reason, do you expect that Baltimore would ever be considered for an MLB team again, or could it be that they are a legacy team riding their legacy?

[@biblebelter9772]

Gubmint and those elected to operate gubmint have FAILED as they always seem to do. I do not begrudge revenue sharing and the players who have greatly benefited from it. BUT, BUT, it is ludicrous for taxpayers to SUBSIDIZE these obscene salaries through the public funding of stadiums. The public has a right to have this revenue shared in such a way that a good portion goes to funding and maintaining the venue the teams play in. Maybe the revenue should be 40 per cent to ownership, 40 per cent to players and 20 per cent to facilities. Movie stars like athletes make a lot of money but it is not on the backs of taxpayers. We do not have publicly funded theaters so that Tom Cruise can make fifty million for a film or whatever his upfront fee is. I still get some joy from watching baseball, and continue to watch the NFL and the NBA with a much lesser degree of joy. The game of baseball has improved their product with recent rule changes. The NFL and NBA have lessened their product by embracing gambling. The NFL and NBA has the most incredible athletes on the planet, yet the joy of the game has suffered from TERRIBLE tv production of the events with too much video replay, too many graphics, too many stupid statistics and too many interruptions plugging gambling sites.

[@brandonsmith5488]

$100 the A’s are coming back within 25 years…

[@mjrodriguez8670]

I wouldn't be surprised if the Chiefs relocate to Utah!

[@ODSTGodzilla]

Brodie you need to talk about the potential of the sharks going to San Francisco

[@sampicano]

slim chance...but they might rebrand as Golden State sharks or something...Bay Area Sharks

[@aw3someinc175]

You missed the Hartford whalers

[@Zach3ry]

#BringBackTheThrashers

[@sampicano]

#NevaATL #NeverAtlanta

[@tahuyachris]

I feel no bitterness towards OKC! I understand it is a business first for the owners. That is how they make their income. I know many of them have other sources. But, when trying to be wise businessmen or women, they look at it from a different perspective than us fans. As a lifelong, die-hard Sonics fan, I have OKC #3 in my list of NBA teams: Sonics #1; Warriors #2; OKC #3.

[@Chudley716]

Olympic Stadium is the worst baseball stadium ever. A total money pit of a monstrosity.

[@bartphlegar8212]

The NHL should put that Coyotes "rollover" package up for auction. Give it a six month lead time. If a group can put together financing anda clear venue proposal, transfer the Coyotes territorial rights and branding over, then put the franchise on a four year track for reboot. This Schrõdinger's cat nonsense has to stop...Brodie, you should get David Samson on to talk about that whole Expos-Marlins-Nationals debacle. He was part of it...

[@rjcraig6302]

How about the Thrashers? NHL failed Atlanta

[@PCSPounder]

@@rjcraig6302 If the team ownership, one with arena control, basically gets rid of the team, how is it that it’s the league’s fault? Mind you, we can blame the NHL for a LOT of things. This… I don’t see this being on them.

[@rjcraig6302]

@@PCSPounder The NHL could've bought the Thrashers from Atlanta Spirit, then owners of the Thrashers and owned the team just like they did for the Coyotes a few years earlier in 2009. If the NHL was insistent on keeping the Thrashers in Atlanta, they would've held out for another owner who was willing to buy the team, or, just like in the case of the Coyotes, buy the Thrashers outright if there were no owners. Instead, the NHL let the franchise be purchased by True North Sports & Entertainment to relocate the team to Winnipeg. So, I would say the NHL was partly to blame for the relocation of the Thrashers, but yes, to your point, it is mostly on the Thrashers ownership.

[@sampicano]

How about Georgia failed the NHL twice. If Georgia likes hockey so much, why do they have bottom 5 hockey enrollment in North America? Out of 50 states, and 10 provinces. Georgia ranks 56th out of 60 in hockey enrollment percentage. Georgia is literally bottom 5 hockey market.

[@PCSPounder]

@@rjcraig6302 The difference: you’d be paying rent to Atlanta Spirit, while Glendale was still subsidizing the Coyotes. That was an absolute non-starter for the NHL. If you want to crap on the business of sports, I’m not stopping you. But the Thrashers faced more red flags… and the Coyotes waited a few years before their “hold my beer” moments.

[@bearfedway]

Re: Supersonics In the 1990s, because of financial and structural issues with the Kingdome, there were threats that the Mariners and Seahawks would also move out of the Seattle area. Unfortunately, the Supersonics got the short end of the stick since refurbishing their arena as an NBA-only in the early 1990s was one of many reasons the franchise moved to OKC. As you mentioned, franchise moves have more to do with ownership and local politics (municipal, county, state) than fans who are the consumers.

[@JD-iu6rv]

I don’t know which city got it the worst with sports teams San Diego or Oakland

[@adamjrothstein]

I would actually argue Oakland. They lost the Seals, the Raiders, the Warriors and now the Athletics are leaving for Sacramento. Also, it looks like Oakland will not have a big four team again. At least they have their United Soccer League team.

[@michaelbaucom4019]

San Diego still has baseball...

[@zcorpalpha2462]

Padres are fun team and nice stadium 🏟️ with decent food

[@jeffanderson3962]

​@@adamjrothsteinRaiders left twice

[@wilderac2250]

Oakland lost basketball football and potentially baseball in the span of 5 years. At least San Diego still has the padres

[@johnu1100]

Not to worry. There are always teams that want to move to Nashville.

[@jeremybowman7126]

Seems like everyone kind of poop poos on the thunder what was okc supposed to say no? I knew soon as the hornets did so good there was gonna be a team in okc eventually and soon as nba approved Bennett who’s from Oklahoma as owner it was obvious the sonics where gonna be gone if Seattle didn’t approve a stadium, that’s on the government, Oklahoma just approved a new stadium they have a great fan base stop hating on the thunder

[@erichaddenham7775]

In 2006 and 2007, the Sonics outdrew Okieville in 22 and 23 (same owner). They are the definition of a bandwagon fanbase and Stern is (was lol) an idiot.

[@anthony_rivera4735]

I hate the chargers, thunder, Winnipeg jets and Utah nhl team for poaching the chargers from San Diego, sonics, thrashers and coyotes respectively.

[@BluelandErris]

Tbh I don’t hate Winnipeg for what happened to the Thrashers as an ATL diehard. I, along with the city, are mad that the NHL has given half-ass efforts TWICE in order to just pocket a profit here. Which is why they’re the only manor pro sports league in North America to relocate from Atlanta at all.

[@TheChamrod04]

San Diego Chargers weren't poached. They have a cheap ass owner who wanted free money for a new stadium, voters (rightfully) voted no. Then Spanos moved to LA to pay Stan Kroenke a sub lease to be in a "new stadium".

[@jeffanderson3962]

And let's not forget that Arizona's team was originally "poached" (though I wouldn't put it like that) from Winnipeg so it's come full circle in a way.

[@RandomlyRandom66]

The Coyotes Owners Where A Bunch Of Dumbasses That Couldn't Follow Through With Promises and Ryan Smith Didn't Just Kick The Door Open and Said Gave Me Your Stupid Ass Team 🙄 He just went in and asked for one day to get a NHL Expansion Team for Utah, that is it he didn't even expect to get one as fast as he did or the 900 millions plus The NHL knew they had to do something with the Coyotes one way or another. It doesn't matter where they was going to end up Arizona Fans will still be butt hurt over it and attack. Utah didn't take your Team they gave them another chance it's better them watching them become Defunct and Dead or wait a minute they are cause The Owner Gave Them Up I'm Sorry Not Really Cause You Keep Bitching At The Wrong Shit. Alex was the One That Let You Down Alex Is The One Who Failed He Had Many Chances It Looks Like By The NHL even promised to Reactivate The Team in 5 years. You can't just believe that there was only one land, and that was the only option he had without others in mind thats totally Bullsh*t people and you know it. There is probably alot of land out there in Arizona and all he had to do is get the right permits and wait until they plan a new date but still that doesn't mean he was going to win that land anyways. Hell Just Build It In The Middle Of Nowhere like you all say Hockey Belongs In The Desert why not in the middle Fans will drag their sweaty asses through the deadly heat for some Ice. I want the Coyotes back but it wasn't going be with Alex Meruelo Don't Hate Utah or The Smiths.

[@jasonfire3434]

The Coyotes themselves were poached from Winnipeg