Every SCRAPPED Character in Smash Bros. History

[@Aaronitmar]

I wish James Bond was in Melee

[@faithfreeman6593]

Who

[@thebugbear9198]

I wish my bean was

[@JJLarge]

What happened to no non-video game characters? He's from a book and movie series

[@_Vaelent]

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[@dracopixel0]

epic

[@deppo436]

James Bond would've been unleashing a Pandora's Box of completely wild choices later down the line and I don't know if that would be a good or bad thing for the series.

[@jlev1028]

It would've been terrible. Leave the non-video game characters to Smash Flash.

[@OtisCluck]

I can hear the arguments now “if James Bond got in, why can’t Goku?!”

[@tranidite]

I can see that. Considering snake opened a can of worms which has lead to many great and terrible choices for the smash cast, I can see how fucking insane it can get if Bond was in.

[@quadzers5703]

Instead of too many fire emblem characters we would have too many firearm characters

[@seanmyster6]

Hypothetically, if we were to get non-video game characters in Smash, I would want them to still be characters that are significant to the history of gaming in some way; such as Popeye (the original intended star of what would become Donkey Kong, plus his spinach power-up inspired Pac-Man's power pellets), James Bond (the star of the first majorly successful FPS on console), and yes, even Goku. (with Dragon Ball, alongside Fist of The North Star and JoJo's Bizarre Adventure, heavily inspiring the fighting genre as we know it today) Characters such as Shrek or SpongeBob, who haven't had any serious impact on gaming history, would NOT fit the bill.

[@duncanstandridge]

“James bond has a real gun, so he can’t be in.” Joker: allow me to introduce myself.

[@gameuniverse5973]

I know it a joke but joker gun is fake it just work as a real one because the enemies think it is one

[@duncanstandridge]

@@gameuniverse5973 yes

[@TrueTrickster2016]

It is a model gun

[@IchigoScorpion]

His right. I played Persona 5 Royal. The gun wasn't real. Just a model.

[@Compucles]

What about Bayonetta?

[@ValueNetwork]

In a alternate universe: Ness and Roy in melee, Puff in Brawl and Dark pit in smash 4 would all be on this list

[@thebloodyaussie1458]

Probably Sonic for Brawl as well since the reason he doesn't have a varied moveset and had an incredibly small appearance in the final scene of Subspace is because Sega didn't get back to Nintendo with the okay until it was almost too late.

[@emilstoqanov3270]

Actually Lucina and Dr.Mario too since they were also originally costumes like Alph

[@oranjolt]

Unless it wasn't mentioned or had no evoidence 0-0

[@vandam6057]

I never played melee and haven't played brawl in a while, so why is ness and puff on the list

[@austinreavis4226]

@@vandam6057 Last minute additions to the roster iirc

[@brandonwilliams6119]

There’s plenty of characters that could count as “Nows or Nevers” that’s what I call them. Midna being a contender for Brawl when Twilight Princess was the hot new Zelda game around the time of Brawl.

[@Mostbaleia]

Every time a new fire emblem game comes out, we will have another FE rep in game using that logic...

[@duke0salt717]

I'm surprised she was cut, fuckin travesty. We ain't had a new original zelda character since Zelda and Shiek from melee every other has been a clone of link or just Ganondorf being bad Falcon

[@brandonwilliams6119]

@@Mostbaleia And so they did that after Brawl.

[@gaiusjuliuscaesar9902]

@@duke0salt717 You're talking a lot of shit for someone within Doriyah distance.

[@cyberjoy404]

I wanna live in that reality…😔

[@misterzygarde6431]

I could imagine that had we got Slime instead of Hero, we would’ve gotten fan art of Slime and Piranha Plant as buddies due to being mooks in Smash.

[@IcyDiamond]

That would’ve been one Hell of a timeline

[@vanessasandoval96]

Yeah what if there is a bonus pack in fighter pass 2

[@IcyDiamond]

@@vanessasandoval96 Rumors out there says there might be one

[@Panbow_]

@@IcyDiamond if Mach rider ever gets into smash bros, he would basically be like wario side special, if it had a moveset.

[@IcyDiamond]

@@Panbow_ That would be very fun!

[@GhostlyPhantome]

Remember, if James Bond was added to Smash, That would open a WHOLE new can of worms for the community to predict characters. Like "Guys I saw a leak that the Ghostbusters are joining Smash!" Or Iron Man, or any other characters from shows and movies.

[@OtisCluck]

Goku

[@GhostlyPhantome]

@@OtisCluck Animes would not be off the table.

[@alexpotts6520]

Shrek fanboys would be insufferable. They would unironically call themselves "brogres" and incessantly quote tired memes to each other while occasionally getting into flame wars with Spongebob stans.

[@Rot8erConeX]

combine that with the alternate timeline where JK accepted Nintendo's proposal for a Zelda-like Harry Potter game at the expense of gaining exclusive rights to the series, and we really have a scenario where there are no HP movies or theme parks, but he has legit chances of getting into Smash Bros.

[@TankEngine75]

Not just that but also in Polls and stuff,Most Highly Requested Gaming Characters would be overshadowed by Characters from Shows and Movies

[@lyricalvarez7919]

It’s cool to see someone dedicated enough to look so extensively to find every single character that was scrapped

[@Justsomedudeokay]

*Sad Source Gaming Noises*

[@Aaronitmar]

I cannot take credit for this, I simply collected information from the internet and made it into a video. Most - if not all - of this info came from Source Gaming, or at the very least their translations. They do incredibly thankless work a lot of the time and I don't want to take credit where it isn't deserved.

[@brandonwilliams6119]

Siiroth also does these types of videos check him out too.

[@Justsomedudeokay]

@@brandonwilliams6119 ye I watch him too

[@ForsakenMemories45]

Sadly he didn't touch on a lot of other information, likely because it isn't officially stated yet, but I'm sure it will come up soon enough.

[@infyte_official]

I love how his intro was literally every reveal in descending order.

[@TomTheyy]

Seems like it's from the end of Sakurai's Kazuya presentation.

[@infyte_official]

@@TomTheyy yah it goes from Kazuya to Villager

[@kingpikmin6361]

15:52 The story behind Alph’s inclusion is interesting and I’m glad it was included in the video, but I don’t think Alph qualifies as a “scrapped character” since he still made it in as a playable fighter in 3DS/Wii U and Ultimate. I’d say it’s more of a “role repurpose.”

[@alexpotts6520]

I think it still somewhat qualifies, because Alph would have been a character with mechanical differences (I'm guessing the Rock Pikmin, with some kind of shield-breaking property).

[@briansilva3344]

I wish all the Pikmin protags could be alternates, or at least on different teams Olimar- original Wendy - Red Team Louie - Blue Team Captain Charlie - Green Team President - Black alternate Alph - alternate 7 & 8''s smash original.

[@matti.8465]

Mach Rider or the Excitebike guy would have been a good ideas. Imagine a Smash character who is always on a motorcycle? Sounds so fun.

[@pavloverboy]

Wario has a motorcycle, so I guess that counts?

[@anomaly395]

I honestly wish Mach Rider was in Smash

[@Falkuzrules]

The only thing that sounds neat about Excitebike is if every stage had upward slopes just for him, but I generally hate the idea of characters that are only there to represent the ancient times like "R.O.tor and Gyro Spam" and of course Duc Khunt. Bike might actually be the one that I ended up liking the concept of... (Ice Climbers are okay at least.)

[@gogetavsvegito]

How was Captain Falcons moveset made? i never played f zero but i know its a racing game so was his personality and moveset made just for smash? so i can def see them dong something similar with an excite bike rider

[@TheMarashian]

@@gogetavsvegitoHe has personality in f zero. Some moves of his are references too. Sorry for being late but an answer is an answer ig

[@Cascadaremixxer]

I have watched a dozen of these ''scrapped fighters'' videos, but honestly, whenever Aaron picks up a subject it is such a breath of fresh air. I love how in depth he goes and how he's able to put such a new spin on an overdone subject. Great as always!

[@-ferno4333]

they literally fucking said "add wario and waluigi" and sakurai said "mmhm wario".

[@Headless_Toil2418]

Why he be bullied tho 😭

[@INFERNO95]

NOBODY said add waluigi.

[@PlagueDocling]

@@INFERNO95 *stop pretending we dont exist smh*

[@foolishfool3310]

right Waluigi should have been in Brawl honestly

[@INFERNO95]

@@foolishfool3310 He was in brawl.

[@alexanderkrizak]

Nintendo: Here are four reasons James Bond couldn't be in Smash, a couple of which (the movie license and the actor's likeness) have been issues that have sunk far larger projects than a potential character in a fighting game. Aaronitmar: "weird Nintendo logic kind of way"

[@RF-tg2eh]

To be fair I'm not sure if this is as much of an issue now. Mortal Kombat 11 has used the likenesses actors like Arnold Schwarzenegger and Sylvester Stallone for their iconic characters. I do know however that the James Bond rights can get very tricky.

[@tranidite]

It's weird kind of Nintendo logic to even consider James Bond for smash in the first place.

[@Gabo2oo]

Not to mention the guns could very well have actually been problematic, since the rating board standards were different back then. There's also no guarantee they could've worked just like Joker's.

[@MatthewCJoy]

@@tranidite is it though? Hes really the only case like that.

[@Falkuzrules]

Gee, why isn't Batman in Smash yet either? Weird Nintendo logic!

[@LukasDSerafim]

Dixie and Geno not quite making it is painful, hopefully one day they'll get their chance.

[@brettdavis4282]

@Matt_with_a_hat oh it will, the real question is if Sakurai will be on board or not.

[@tranidite]

@@brettdavis4282 At this point probably not. Man has worked his life on this series, literally contracted some kind of arthritis in his hand by smash 4 development if I remember correctly, he's probably going to take a vacation from the series atleast for awhile.

[@avocado9466]

@@tranidite yeah next smash will be like in 6-10 years

[@jamesnelson5618]

@@avocado9466 10 Years would be Good bro and sometimes it better because we don't know what they'll do for smash future anyways.

[@isauldron4337]

@@brettdavis4282 not everybody can be in Smash

[@iminsidethewalls8141]

Could you imagine the alternate timeline where James Bond got in, allowing other licensed game characters to get in such as, Goku, Scott Pilgrim, Homer Simpson, and Spongebob, just to name a few.

[@failmeep5167]

Dont forget Shrek!

[@Frevvgdf]

And lightning McQueen

[@lunanote-cassettemeower]

Well Spongebob is getting to be a fighter in the upcoming Nickelodeon smash game, so there’s that.

[@iminsidethewalls8141]

@@lunanote-cassettemeower not the same, but yeah, good point

[@sirekumasutra7022]

I'd main Obama or Santa Claus

[@Wolfiyeethegranddukecerberus17]

I'd wanna see a deep dive of the Smash 2 poll to be honest

[@SsjkidsSaveCosmo08]

Source gaming has one

[@SsjkidsSaveCosmo08]

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[@NuhUhNotTrue]

Someone wanted to play as baby mario.

[@Wolfiyeethegranddukecerberus17]

@@SsjkidsSaveCosmo08 I watched it, but Aaron makes longer videos so it would be neat it his style lol

[@jacobtidwell8869]

Rex hurts the most for me personally, because he was so f*cking close to getting in, now he's missed his probably one and only chance of joining the roster. At least his strong presence in Pyra and Mythra's moveset and animations help make up for it a bit.

[@PushDustIn]

I know it's included in your source Pastebin, but it would've been nice to give a verbal shout-out to the Definitive Unused Fighter List in Smash/SG. It's a resource that Source Gaming and I are committed to keeping current so videos like this can exist and so everyone can have the proper information! Since it's hard to directly update videos after they've been published DUFL will always have the most up-to-date information even years after this video has been out!

[@raedytgamer6385]

Fun fact: classic sonic was originally going to be sonic's desgin with a more in series moveset but due to time constraint it went the other way. Modern sonic with a megadrive focused moveset

[@TheRetroCollecterWhoEatsCheese]

The classic design was phased out back in 1999-11 so I can see why they did that

[@DerpaTure9503]

Source? "Classic Sonic" wasn't a thing until 2011, there wasn't an established difference before Generations, there was just Sonic in differing artstyles. And the Sonic in the game itself doesn't really have a Megadrive-focused moveset: he uses mostly attacks from Sonic The Fighters (an arcade game), original attacks that use Sonic's main abilities and a couple individual references to both the classic games (like the spin charge) and the Adventure games (like the other spin dash and the homing attack)

[@raedytgamer6385]

@@DerpaTure9503 aaronitmar said it in the vid: biggest development chance

[@DerpaTure9503]

@@raedytgamer6385 There's no such video on the channel

[@marcodigirolamo1310]

When sephiroth get announced, in the miis presentetion, when I see geno become a mii again,i cry

[@linkspokemon4114]

Sephiroth has soras dying body tid to his bed, and while he is burning genos remains!!!

[@angry998]

I cried of laughter, shitty puppet is never going to be in Smash

[@boydixonentertainment]

@@jamesnelson5618 It’s only toxic if you shame people for it.

[@alexanderosorio8647]

I was happy the dumb puppet was a mii but is he a western rep? That means a character only western fans wanted? If so another reason to hate him

[@ZooMadness]

Easily one of the darkest days in Smash history. Not just because of what happened, but because of the aftermath. Square/FF7 fanbois are cancer incarnate. Always were, always will be.

[@Genojo]

Even tho theres no confirmation of this. I think a rep from Monster Hunter would be another scrapped character. As how we got Rathalos and theres an entire area with monster hunter theme in world of light.

[@tylermacgregor1320]

I read somewhere that a Monster Hunter was originally going to be the final character of the first fighter pass and they were going to be the originator of the weapon swapping mechanic, but for some reason they were scrapped mid-development and their assets were repurposed for Byleth. I can't find the source, but I believe it because many of Byleth's animations look like they're ripped straight from Monster Hunter.

[@dannybright8708]

@@tylermacgregor1320 I heard something similar, but it said Monster Hunter was planned for BASE roster but got scrapped. It also said Sora was gonna be the last character in the fighter’s pass but got scrapped because negotiations with Disney fell through. Sakurai and the Smash team then just took what they had made for Monster Hunter and used it to make Byleth. EDIT: Welp, looks like they worked something out in the end.

[@obi-onekenerdi]

I would’ve loved to see any characters we eventually got in an earlier game; Bowser in 64, Wario in Melee, PAC-MAN in Brawl, or Chrom in Smash 4. Those are just some examples but it just would be neat to see what they would look like in the different styles of each game.

[@Falkuzrules]

When I was young playing Melee I think it was on Flat Zone specifically, the characters' shadows would be polygonal and I would look at the shadow and visualize how they would've looked in 64 (specifically Mewtwo, really wanted to see him in it) by filling in the details mentally. Of course if Bowser WAS in 64 I'd much rather him have that one silly model... which is why I love the Smash Remix romhack!

[@coneg2714]

Rex and Springman were honestly my most wanted characters going into Ultimate so I'm glad we ended up just getting better versions of those wants in Fighter's Pass 2. So now my dream want from the scrapped list is Ayumi thanks to FDC finally getting localized this year; I don't know how Sakurai would pull off an Adventure game based moveset but I'd like to see the team try.

[@mds_main]

To be honest I would like to see in future games Spring Man as a Min Min echo and Rex appear in the background of Pyra/Mythra like Pokemon Trainer at least

[@jomaq9233]

@@mds_mainputting in the XC3 Future Redeemed version of Rex could be a cool way to implement him as a standalone character from Pyra and Mythra

[@smoodless124]

3:26 you are telling me that James FRECKING bond could have goten in to smash

[@mxl8755]

F8CKING JAMES BONDS AND SNAKE, HOLY SH*T

[@PincessTrunks]

Banjo and James Bond weren’t actually considered. People just assumed they were because of what Sakurai had said about Rare characters in Melee

[@MasutaMJ]

Anyone else ever get the coveted "one million melees played" in SSBM

[@PK-Radio]

Congrats you got the "no life" achievement

[@MasutaMJ]

@@PK-Radio I never actually got the message. It was a data mine video some years ago.

[@Falkuzrules]

Is *that* how you unlock James Bond?

[@MrTerminator3010]

If any of these scrapped fighters have the chance to be a new character in Ultimate, I think the most likely one is Ayumi Tachibana. The only thing really hold her back in Melee was the fact that her games were not released outside of Japan. But now, not only are they available world wide, but even remastered for the Switch! Not only is her limitation gone, but it would be an easy way for Nintendo to make money by advertising her in Smash since she's a 1st party character. They've done it before (biggest examples being Corrin & Byleth), so if they don't do it here, they'd just be leaving money on the table.

[@hunterwalker4256]

Looks at rhythm heaven......

[@dannybright8708]

@@hunterwalker4256 but Rhythm Heaven hasn’t had a game in 5 years and no new entry has been announced. It might just be a dead franchise meaning it’s very unlikely to get a character as DLC.

[@hunterwalker4256]

@@dannybright8708 looks like you didn’t read this guys comment all to well

[@axaturdoor7553]

@@dannybright8708 So? There are several instances of franchises not having a new game in years yet they’re still in Smash regardless. At least with Rhythm Heaven, the last console it was on was on the 3DS and the last mention of the franchise was the latest and the previous 2 Wariowares.

[@myang12003]

How would her moveset work?

[@SlyVocaloid]

I still kinda want to see Ayumi get into a game. I really want to see how they would make her move set.

[@snuffysam]

And hey, Famicom Detective Club should be more well-known now thanks to the remakes!

[@niggacity5424]

Yup

[@Falkuzrules]

Lots of people say that, "I wanna see their moveset" but that's the whole reason I hate some characters - their moveset was made up on the spot because they had no potential for one. I don't want another Pac-Man throwing arcade sprites of his mortal enemies at his opponents, or Duck Hunt summoning random outlaws to shoot people... even R.O.B. had more move potential to begin with.

[@lasercraft32]

@@Falkuzrules No. What? You realize R.O.B. was LITERALLY just a toy robot that can spin tops, right? There's literally no other move potential they could have done for him.

[@Falkuzrules]

​@@lasercraft32 Was saying R.O.B. has *more* moveset potential than them. He spins tops, let's give him tops to throw. He can turn his arms, let's give him an arm spinning move. Heck, he's a robot so throw in a rocket and a laser. ...The duck flies... and the dog laughs. But put them in anyway and throw in random NES Zapper gimmick moves because gotta have my Nintendo history! (note: i don't like r.o.b. either)

[@DirtBagGaming]

I think out of all of them that still haven't made it in, it has to Geno and especially Dixie, I understand Geno, but it feels weird Dixie still is not in it, like I feel she would make the DK part of the roster feel complete

[@christianlopez707]

I think because there was more demand for Krool, people only really started pushing for Dixie when he got in.

[@josh6453]

@@christianlopez707 No, it’s because the Nintendo fans are hypocrites for hating on Dixie because she’s a “Diddy ripoff,” yet they prefer fucking Lucina!

[@ThatFurryTeen]

@@josh6453 Lucina is actually a tiny bit different than her idol. Marth has attacks that are strongest at the tip, whereas Lucina deals the same damage every time.

[@ColeDoesWhat]

@@ThatFurryTeen That’s still not a big difference.

[@josh6453]

@@ThatFurryTeen I was talking about character wise.

[@tracewaldram]

They never even considered Waluigi NOT EVEN ONCE

[@Doracake]

you mean 3d world?

[@Conductor1991]

The most likely reason why the forbidden 7 characters in brawl were cut was time constraints. Sakurai even said that he had a lot of characters planned, but were scrapped due to time constraints. It also didn't help that those characters were low priority. Going by what Sakurai said and the unused files in Brawl, I'm assuming it's the forbidden 7 and maybe even more is what Sakurai is referring to. Aside from Dixie Kong, there has been sources back during the leak group on why Mewtwo and Roy were cut aside from being low priority and time constraints. Roy was cut due to not only being a low priority character, but he was also cut because there were more interesting choices than him and due to only certain amount of time that the development team had. As for Mewtwo, well when he was ported over from Melee, he was pretty glitchy and filled with technical issues. This could explain why in Smash 4 Mewtwo had different hitboxes with the same moveset. Because of Mewtwo's poor design from Melee, the team even could not easily recreate Mewtwo using Melee assets unlike the other characters from Melee. Sure, they could've created from scratch, but I'm guessing the team thought it wasn't worth it or wasn't motivated enough. After all, he is a difficult character to develop. Plus, it doesn't help the fact that 60% of the development was focused on the SSE. Still since Mewtwo and Roy were beloved characters, they stayed in longer during development than the other 5. It just so happened that certain circumstances push them out of the running. Again, I would take this grain of salt because it's is NOT confirmed, but it is interesting to think about. But, we can definitely say that the forbidden 7 were cut due to time and how the development was stacking up. Sources: web.archive.org/web/20141009211720/www.officialnintendomagazine.co.uk/4964/sakurai-cut-characters-from-smash-bros/ smashboards.com/threads/nintenzone-social-thread-shovel-knight-amiibo-hype-catastrophe-feat-swamp.405399/page-208#post-19488650

[@RealOriginalJ]

I would’ve love to see Takamaru and Balloon Fighter as full fighters in smash since their games appeared on Nintendoland.

[@foolishfool3310]

yeah me too

[@aa-ir6si]

Isn't villager's moveset based off Balloon Fight?

[@thedukeofnothing6421]

@@aa-ir6si his Up B

[@dyll_pyckle]

I think Ayumi Tachibana in Smash would've been so cool! I hope Phoenix Wright is the last character in Fighters Pass 2 as sort of an homage to that original idea.

[@PeruvianPotato]

That's all fine and dandy but wtf is he gonna do? Throw a briefcase? At best I can see a stage and that's it

[@tiffyw92]

@@PeruvianPotato If you haven't seen him in action in UMvC3 or Project X Zone 2, then I recommend you check them out. He throws papers, points at people, sneezes on them, trips and it trips his opponents too, calls on a giant judge to slam his gavel on them, summons his assistant as a shield, breaks defenses with his Magatama... but above all, he shouts "Objection!" and indicts everyone in court for their crimes. If Sakurai and team really want him in Smash, they already have inspiration. I'm just not as hopeful as most other fans. If he even gets to be a Mii costume, that's already a huge win imo.

[@TrueTrickster2016]

@@PeruvianPotato ^ What he said watch Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3.

[@dyll_pyckle]

@@PeruvianPotato Yeah what they said! Idk I think the Smash team could have tons of fun with his moveset

[@lordkaijux5262]

@@PeruvianPotato They've managed to create and program a fully constructed moveset to a potted plant with fangs, a plastic Nintendo peripheral toy that operates on its own (sort of), a 2D LCD man with limited animation, a mannequin-esque yoga instructor, and an inflatable living balloon-like creature who's singing that can make people fall sleep. In other words none of the them look like fighting game character potential and yet they managed to pull it off. Therefore the Smash Bros. developers can clearly come up with a moveset for practically for *any* video game character.

[@flamingpaper7751]

In the future we might be talking about how Sakurai considered adding Jonesy from Fortnite but ended up deciding he'd be too hard to translate into Smash

[@Zero-gl2ou]

No just no

[@LucarioShirona]

Since no Mii Costume, either tells me that they couldn't make contact, deal didn't go through, or Sakurai just didn't care for Fortnite/ no plans.

[@thatonerotom8999]

@@LucarioShirona I'd wager the third option.

[@spugnoxngubcux9801]

I like how the three characters in the thumbnail each represent one of the three ways fighters have been scrapped: Geno = Characters who were considered, but seemingly dropped before any real work was done on them. Dixie Kong = Characters who were worked on, but never actually made it to the final roster. Remnants of their code can often still be found in the game files of the retail release. Dr. Mario = Characters who made official debuts as fighters, but were cut from the final roster of at least one subsequent Smash game (Brawl, in Dr. Mario's case.)

[@PixeletDan]

those Q&A screenshots are most interesting, thanks for uploading!

[@genericname_]

Makes me sad that Rhythm Heaven got *so close* to having a rep, and yet it didn’t happen, and now it honestly feels like it’ll never happen…

[@MB_CSH-ENTER]

It seems awesome to add DK Trio(Funky/Dixie/Cranky) as a bunch, such as Pokemon Trainer, or else Funky and Dixie appears as the skin variation of DK and Diddy, and Cranky for original.

[@Daniel_Coffman]

I would still love to see a new Mysterious Murasame Castle game, and being able to play as Takamaru in Smash also would be cool.

[@Man_Jr._Studios]

Though I wouldn’t have liked him replacing Ness, Lucas would have been neat to see in Melee. Especially with his Earthbound 64 costume.

[@mcecidejesus8477]

Hey i have a question do you liked how porky was a boss in brawl

[@Man_Jr._Studios]

@@mcecidejesus8477 All the way. He was my favorite boss in Smash. Hoping he will be the final dlc fighter though in Ultimate, due to his absence and lack of representation in the game.

[@tabetball6114]

@@Man_Jr._Studios Same

[@tabetball6114]

@@Man_Jr._Studios There is a leak that the final background color character of Ultimate will be purple. And Porky fits purple.

[@Man_Jr._Studios]

@@tabetball6114 That’s right, I remember! ☝️😃 Man, am I excited to see this last dlc fighter.

[@cosmiclikesminecraft]

I am personally SO glad Pyra and Mythra got in the way they did, switching on the fly is so fun

[@alexanderosorio8647]

Pyra and mythra: together nothing can stand in our way ! At e3 Kazuya yeets them off a cliff lol

[@BuetifullPersun]

Ya and rex is boring

[@Falkuzrules]

@@alexanderosorio8647 Mythra: Together nothing can stand in our way! Pyra: *spams specials until match ends*

[@LilGian1]

I want Krystal the most and Dixie! The game could use more iconic females! I’m interested in Krystal because they said she would play very different compared to fox and etc ! I’m sure she would use her staff and magic

[@lasercraft32]

No offense but I wouldn't call Krystal and Dixie iconic... sometimes I forget they even exist.

[@jondelmore3163]

I remember back in 6th grade, my friend and I would always talk Smash 64 and we'd try to guess who would be in the sequel whenever it would come out. My wish and still to this day wish for the Double Dragons. Their move sets are basically Smash ready and there'd be two characters with a simple color pallet swap. My friend would try to get Paperboy in the game but I always objected because I just couldn't picture a dude on a bike fighting other people...Sadly it doesn't look like Billy and Jimmy Lee will ever make it to Smash.

[@OgerponIsACutie]

decidueye was probably my 2nd most wanted before ultimate released. wouldve prefered him but incineroar is also badass

[@angry998]

Incineroar over Decidueye was such a shitty choice, nobody likes the Tiger Mask rip-off

[@OgerponIsACutie]

@@angry998 your the only nobody Incineroar is cool. He brought a new type of fighting to do he roster

[@angry998]

@@OgerponIsACutie lol, Incineroar is hated by both Pokémon and Smash fans, his design is so bad compared with Decidueye

[@PeterGriffin11]

@@angry998 I like Incineroar.

[@UltimateDragonX9999]

But hey with Gen 8 aka sword and Shield being the recent generation there is hope now that new fully evolved grass type starter Pokémon Rillaboom will join smash ultimate dlc. It’s time for a fully evolved grass type starter Pokémon to join as a fighter for smash ultimate.

[@CaramelFoxSFW]

I wish Krystal was a playable character.

[@michaelmulligan-nufer186]

And here starts the phrase, "I'm not a furry, but..."

[@KingStr0ng]

I want Waluigi tbh. Still doesn't make any sense why he's not in.

[@schmoovin]

@@KingStr0ng Waluigi only appears in spin-off

[@pureevilecho150]

Im a furry. I wanted krystal long before smash😎

[@pureevilecho150]

@@schmoovin smash is a spin-off for every character

[@runningoncylinders3829]

The Chorus Kids and perhaps even Plusle and Minun would be great. I love multiple fighters in one.

[@dr.wolfstar1765]

Geno is the saddest missing character. Also Dixie would have been alot of fun

[@brandonwilliams6119]

Midna, Krystal and even Ashley would’ve been a lot of fun.

[@BR-jw7pm]

I wish they’d do an echo pass including new echos like Dixie, but alas, it’ll never happen

[@LtCdrXander]

Forget pathetic side character Geno; chad James Bond would have been the best character choice

[@Omelander]

Why geno was only in 1 game so he is not a huge icon

[@foolishfool3310]

@@LtCdrXander lol shut up

[@5h3nn0ng]

You seemed to have overlooked that initially Leif From Fire Emblem 5 was going to debut in Melee. However, he was ultimately replaced by Roy as a second FE rep. Moreover, a Marth palette swap resembling Leif (i.e. The white alt) is present in Melee as a result

[@mr.m4302]

It was a surprise to me to find that Banjo has always been one of the most favorite characters for the game since the first one (Mostly for a vote in Japan only.)

[@jamesnelson5618]

Indeed he have and have you recently play as him in Smash Ultimate?

[@mr.m4302]

@@jamesnelson5618 No, but was a surprise to know that many people only in Japan wanted him since 64.

[@jaggermurlin6343]

I've been wanting banjo for years

[@TBoneTony]

James Bond of course was tied to the Movie Publisher, so of course not unless Nintendo organized something. Banjo Kazooie, we know that RARE was with Nintendo at that point in time but when Melee was released, RARE was looking for a buyer and when Nintendo refused to buy the company 100% (they had 49% to 51% at the time) then it was Microsoft who in 2002 brought RARE to own 100% of the company. It was a miracle for Banjo Kazooie to even be in Smash Ultimate as a DLC character.

[@npsea2398]

In some universe, Minecraft Steve wouldnt have been added to ssbu but if we'd have found out that he was considered for being a fighter in the game, that would have been absolutely insane

[@alexanderosorio8647]

Honestly i wish that was our universes as the only good western rep is banjo if we get a smash 6 hopefully we get japan only picks cus at lease they are better than western ones Also E

[@darkdoctor1915]

Doc is in the thumbnail since he was cut in brawl, same goes for the other two not gonna spoil them ;)

[@StardustBullets]

Dixie kong and Geno. Spoiled it :troll:

[@darkdoctor1915]

@@StardustBullets, heh

[@jissus3893]

11:40 "The Forbidden Seve" Me: That's Nine

[@PeterGriffin11]

He was counting Plusle & Minun as a single character sense they could’ve been a duo fighter if they did indeed end up getting cut.

[@Falkuzrules]

Actually it's not even seven in any way unless you count Toon Zelda and Toon Sheik separately, but they're supposed to be a duo same as Plusle/Minun.

[@FizzleBurger]

I didn't hear this on your list, but Sakurai was hearing a lot of demand to include Saki Amamiya from Sin and Punishment. To quote the Smash Dojo blog from Brawl, "He rivals just about any main character. There were many requests from users for his inclusion, and he IS pretty cool, so I did what I could to include him." I lowkey wish we got Alucard instead of the Belmonts. Sure, he'd be another anime swordfighter (doubly redundant for his resemblance to Sephiroth) but Symphony of the Night is such a masterpiece that I'd love to have seen it get represented in the roster.

[@64l14]

I bet his James Bond Victory animation would be him glocking his gun, and saying the name is Bond, James Bond

[@cryingoflaughteremoji]

i literally made a concept for decidueye as a smash fighter in 2018 when ultimate hype was at it’s highest. when incineroar got announced, my heart was SHATTERED

[@daehan8227]

Kind of surprised that you didn't bring up Sakurai's alternative choices for FF reps in Smash 4. Knowing he has said if he couldn't get Tetsuya Nomura's permission for using Cloud. Then he would've personally went with Terra or Bartz instead. Though at the same time Nomura brought up Noctis and Lightning and initially thought Sakurai wanted them thinking they were relevant at the time. There was an interview about this.

[@ultragamer8816]

You can’t talk about smash’s scrapped characters without the forbidden 7

[@jamesnelson5618]

And also about Issac from Golden sun why he's scrap from Brawl or Melee.

[@TheRealZXXZ]

@@jamesnelson5618 isaac was never scrapped tho, because he never got the consideration in the first place

[@chrispork1443]

James Bond was likely kicked out for breaking the rule that a character must originate from a video game franchise.

[@Cinko420]

As the video says, that was part of the reason. The realistic guns, movie rights and the Rare licensing were also what ultimately scrapped him.

[@spugnoxngubcux9801]

My theory for why Tetra was called Toon Sheik, is that perhaps she and Toon Zelda meant to share a spot on the character select screen, and the player would have been able to freely switch between the two in a manner similar to Zelda and Sheik.

[@BeeLy1011]

"Arms series director" I hope we can officially call it a "series" someday... Edit: I just wanted to show support for Arms but I started an "interesting" thread in the process

[@nekroneko7335]

Can‘t wait for Legs

[@blu8096]

@@nekroneko7335 lmao

[@onewingedren2228]

@@nekroneko7335 i'm waiting for heads

[@theblizzard8735]

Eh, HANDS is one I'm looking forward too

[@Mac1081]

@@theblizzard8735 I want *necks*

[@JDWitherspoon]

Love the thumbnail 🤣

[@musashix96]

Now it is quite likely that Ayumi Tachibana will enter to Super Smash Bros. She has everything to be a newcomer.

[@ballisticboo7808]

Except popularity and moveset, which are probably the most important things

[@luisreyes1963]

Sadly, it never happened. But at least her game is now on the Switch.

[@wolfetteplays8894]

11:59 I love that persona 5 music! Good choice!

[@BottleBoundRogue]

I would have liked to have seen Mewtwo, Bowser, and Dedede for the Smash 64 just to have some villains to choose from.

[@bananananabus7603]

Sick thumbnail aaronitmar(and great video) the art style almost looked like Scooby Doo to me

[@cailieisidro5758]

Fun fact: Pit was also one of the characters planned to be in the first game but he wasn’t because they had a hard time programming his wings

[@docs.a.t.7161]

That's just an urban legend

[@zzskyninjazz1821]

I have an idea for a topic for a video What if Smash Bros came out in 2021? Like the series started today. What would the starting roster of 12 be like, what would their moves be, who would be dlc?

[@MrStarman926]

The main thing I’m taking away from this video is that for some reason the smash development team is constantly desperate to add more Ice Climber-like characters. I wonder why that is?

[@docs.a.t.7161]

It is (or was, as of recent games) focused on nintendo history. It wouldn't be very good at doing that if it was just a bajillion characters from Mario, Pokemon, Zelda, etc, woud it? Just how I feel on the manner

[@MrStarman926]

@@docs.a.t.7161 You misunderstand me. I meant ice-climber like in the sense that they wanted to add multiple "two-player" characters. Plusle and Minun, Diddy and Dixie, etc. Even Rosalina and Luma

[@thatonerotom8999]

Probably because its the easiet way to add more charadters, I'm guessing.

[@Doracake]

@@MrStarman926 But the very big difference is that Popo and Nana are very similair with each other. You cannot force other duo teams because those characters are actullay very unique which means NIntendo have to spend double fighter budget to do one fighter, that isn't a good idea. Why not do two independent fighters to appeal more fans?

[@holybamboozler]

As a zelda fan, I cannot wrap my head around the idea that there could have been a "toon sheik" like wtf

[@HudsonU]

I wish Geno would come someday as a full character. Im happy with him as a mii though.

[@angry998]

Imagine wasting your time on programming a shitty irrelevant character that nobody, not even Mario fans, can recognize

[@TheSmart-CasualGamer]

Bit harsh. I mean, I agree, but that's a bit harsh. Coming from a European, where Legend of the Seven Stars wasn't even released.

[@HudsonU]

​@@angry998 Look- I like the character, if you disagree, that's cool. Just agree to disagree, don't be over the top about everything.

[@HudsonU]

@@TheSmart-CasualGamer Yea, I agree with the whole region situation. Technically it was released, on both the snes classic and virtual console in Europe, but that is a good point.

[@alexanderosorio8647]

If its a western rep that its a no no rep Luigi

[@autumnsprout1]

I’d consider some of the mii costumes scrapped characters. Like fallout guy, sans, and geno

[@thespindashpro2277]

"Every scrapped character" this is about to be tragic, isn’t it?

[@TheGamersState]

I got a video idea for you; Why not go over all the "Codenames" for characters in Smash Bros Ultimate? Like how Sephiroth is called "Edge" and Terry is called "Dolly".

[@tristancampbell4941]

At least we'll always have SSF2 for your character needs. And Crusade.

[@traverse_danikuuu]

That illustration of sakurai in the thumbnail looks outstanding! Sorry I just couldn't help and point out the obvious props to the artist!

[@JasonG17_]

I would have loved to see how vastly different Wario would have been, had he been put in Melee, since WarioWare at the time didn't exist yet. It makes you wonder if they'd have based his moveset off Wario Land, the Mario spinoffs, or both.

[@Enzevil]

This was a very good video! Good job, Aaron!

[@CamTheCan]

17:53 that transition tho

[@jonathanalvarez-lopez432]

I really wish, I want to see Wario and Sonic the Hedgehog in Super Smash Bros. Melee.

[@etrotm12thebluewolf15]

If i said it once i said it a million times. Ayumi Tachibana FOR SMASH!!!!! Future Me saying: Ayumi Tachibana FOR THE NEXT SMASH!!!!!!!!! Also by the way Sora made it in past me!

[@Tamashikiri]

As much as I would have loved to have seen Banjo and Kazooie in Melee, I am glad we finally got to see them get in as Ultimate DLC. As for fighters that never made the cut after their initial scrapping, the ones I would have most wanted to see make it in are Dixie Kong, Krystal, Decidueye and Slime.

[@marplatense31]

Heihachi was scrapped from Smash 4 because he didn't have the Devil Gene, so we got Kazuya instead. lmao. Heihachi: Damn you, KAZUYA!!!!

[@liquidsaberz02]

Tbh my picks for a Tekken character were between Kazuya and Jin (I actually wanted Jin more) cause they had the Devil Gene. Heihachi still would’ve been hype tho lmao.

[@marplatense31]

@@liquidsaberz02 I honestly thought Jin had a better chance than Kazuya due to being the (kinda) hero of Tekken since Smash doesn't like to do villains much. But Kazuya is my favorite character, so I was pretty happy they chose him.

[@liquidsaberz02]

@@marplatense31 yea even if I initially wanted the 4th traditional fg rep to be Guilty Gear’s Sol Badguy, Kazuya was still a hype and surprising pick.

[@CyanicCore]

There was so much more to the early games than expected! The Brawl characters especially bring a lot into question...

[@foolishfool3310]

Geno and Dixie 😭 *cries heart out*

[@angry998]

*cries of laughter* 😂😂😂

[@TheRealZXXZ]

I only feel for Dixie Thank Goodness Geno didn't get added.

[@GomerJ]

I’d guess if Alph had been an echo fighter it would’ve boiled down to different Pikmin since Pikmin 3 introduced some new ones. So maybe he would’ve had Rock pikmin that hit harder or do more shield damage, and the flying pikmin recovery while Olimar kept Pikmin chain. Just a guess.

[@paolosworld99]

I can't imagine what sonic in melee would be like. 20SS

[@loser.lunatic4089]

I encountered this weird glitch when I play Smash 4. So whenever I look at the hoard for trophies (where you can see them all laid out) I’ll find a trophy that looks sorta like a toon version of Excite-Bike. But when I look at the gallery, (where you can look at one trophy at a time) I can never find it. I’ve called it “Excite-Bike’s Revenge” since he was scraped from the early roster. Does anyone have any info on this?

[@flamei9306]

i may have gotten a joke flown by my head, but have you checked to see if you have an excite biker trophy that uses a flat sprite directly from excite bike? it may be that trophy, but due to him being tiny and screen resolution stuff, it might blur it a bit to appear like a cartoon-y version.

[@loser.lunatic4089]

@@flamei9306 no, it isn’t sprite like. It’s fully 3D modeled.

[@Falkuzrules]

Not sure what you're trying to get at but Smash 4's Excitebike trophy *is* a 3D model. It's actually only been a sprite in Brawl.

[@loser.lunatic4089]

@@Falkuzrules like, it has the same patern and characteristics of Exite-Bike, but it’s 3d

[@chrysanthosvice4867]

Ayumi would have been a totally bonkers choice, and if Famicom Detective Club for the Nintendo Switch had been released before the second pass's development, I feel like Ayumi would have 100% been Sakurai's immediate pick for a DLC slot, if only because he just likes the game. Ah well, we'll get 'em in Smashboards.

[@rylade475]

I think it’s still possible-the remakes were revealed in the same direct that announced Fighter Pass 2 (Japanese September 2019 direct), so the development time would be rather similar to Three Houses and Fighter Pass 1

[@ramonraccoon1324]

Sonic in Melee would've been awesome. There was rumors that he would've team up with Tails and I've been wanting tails in Smash for a long time

[@LazyStarrfish]

That original vote list is really interesting. Toad and Mew at least appear in Smash games via Peach/Daisy and Pokeballs respectively. James Bond is the only one in the top 10 that has no appearance in the Smash series. If a “4th party” character was ever chosen, I would hope it’s Bond. Just given the legacy and how out of left field it would be. Characters like Goku and Shrek have been mentioned so often, it might not even be that shocking if they ever did make it (which I don’t think will ever happen IMO)

[@onewingedren2228]

Imagine if Bond is Ultimate's last fighter then Crash, Robotinik, Sora, Doom Slayer and Rayman are mii's and Sakurai just looks at the screen and says "This is Smash's last fighter, thanks!"

[@dekudude8888]

The Smash trailer starts with Snake looking through the scope of his rocket launcher and zooms in on Bond, who does the iconic "shooting the camera" pose and then the world implodes

[@Doracake]

More problem is from contracts, tho. It's not possible to invite a non-videogame character (like Yogcast in SEGA Allstars), but every single media license is a new deal with more cost. Don't talk it like it's free or supermarket discount.

[@OtakuDeCarnitas109]

You forgot to mention that before Sakurai was given the ok from Square Enix to use Cloud Strife from Final Fantasy VII for Smash for WiiU and 3DS, he was originally conceptualizing Terra Branford from Final Fantasy VI.

[@lamarfll]

With the Toon Sheik thing, you have to take into account Brawl also included Sheik, and she was redesigned a bit to match the artstyle of Twilight Princess, which all the Zelda characters, minus Toon Link, were based on, so its honestly safe to assume they were going to make a completely original design for Sheik in the Wind Waker artstyle.

[@Dudbun]

I always wish we got Excitebike as a fighter. Just whacking people by doing bike stunts sounds stupid as heck

[@luisreyes1963]

Emphasis on "stupid".

[@jickboi308]

Jeanne from bayonetta was actually suggested by kamiya to sakurai so bayo had an echo fighter. It was denied but only because sakurai was worried about the backlash from the fan base which does make me sad but I understand his reasoning for it.

[@luisreyes1963]

Jeanne would have been better than trash characters like Chorus Kids or Geno. 😤

[@Doracake]

backlash from the fan? what is it?

[@WindmillPunch]

If memory serves, for the Final Fantasy rep, Sakurai had considered Terra and Bartz. Terra for her prominent SNES character status, and Bartz because Sakurai thought the class mastery/change system would be interesting. But ultimately picked Cloud because let's be real that makes the most sense. I dunno where I saw that interview though... So it could have been made up.

[@philipsgrignoli7866]

I would have like Ayumi Tachibana since she is sure to have been unique.

[@luisreyes1963]

Better her than Jonesy from Fortnite. 😤

[@ianw188]

You could add Wolf O'Donnell from Super Smash Bros. Brawl to that list.

[@Liggliluff]

(6:20) But James Bond isn't a Rare character, just like how Crash and Spyro aren't Sony characters.

[@jamesnelson5618]

True but they Are Sony character before there Both 3rd Party.

[@OnePunchYume]

It's interesting to see what could have been, personally I would have liked to have tried out all the scrapped characters.