Hyundai Veloster N vs Honda Civic SI vs VW GTI - The Middles | Everyday Driver TV Season 5

The VW GTI and Honda Civic SI are known for affordable blending of commuter car and fun car. For the same money, where does the Hyundai Veloster N fit? We compare all three in search of the best middle-ground commuter with a bit of fun.
00:00 - :52 Intro
:52 - 5:45 Styling
5:45 - 11:12 Performance
11:12 - 15:17 Handling
15:17 - Conclusions
This episode from Season 5 first Premiered on MotorTrend cable channel in July of 2019.
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[@thevolvobrickchallenge5650]

Hyundai a Decade Ago: "We are giving away free cars, anybody interested...anybody?" Hyundai 2021: "We did not appreciate you calling us a Honda ripoff, now eat this!"

[@vroomgc]

Actually I would say 20 years ago for Hyundai not 10 years ago

[@Stormtrooper-oc4vn]

@@vroomgc 2010 hyundai suck lol

[@Stormtrooper-oc4vn]

This sums up the situation quite well.

[@tobimanx7026]

@@Stormtrooper-oc4vn actually 2010 hyundai started to make fine cars

[@johnd8471]

Still not a Honda lol

[@kop9463]

I drive a veloster n with performance package now. I used to own a 2017 civic si. I have three friends own gti, and I drive their car pretty regularly. I have to say, in my opinion, the veloster n is the best out of these three.

[@buildmorefarms1007]

Well, duh...

[@geraldgoodiii6993]

Oh yea. They’re amazing. Are you in the FB groups? We have a few

[@buildmorefarms1007]

@@geraldgoodiii6993 I am in the FB group

[@joeycoppersmith8606]

How reliable is it though, whats usually the first thing to go on it

[@davidpistek6241]

I own a si 20 I considered the veloster but didn't drive it they seem nice I wanted something for a daily driver looks good but not too much attention and with 2 kids I hesitate the 3 door thing

[@maximumeffort3225]

The N is WAAAY above the Si and GTI Golf in terms of everything. They should have gone with just a Veloster Turbo or Turbo Ultimate which are more on par with the Si and Golf GTI

[@miquellopez7185]

Agreed. I was thinking this doesn't seem right the entire time I was watching this vid. Still fun to watch though!

[@PacoPR28]

Is more comparable with the Type R and Golf R

[@revmatchproductions]

This. They should have used the R-Spec its a great value

[@randomvideos21015]

Not in terms of interior,

[@floridamaddogg]

While I agree with your statement, they were gauging the group by price. That just goes to show how good a deal is for the N compared to a type R or Golf R.

[@unintentionallyfire]

The N is a reference to the Namyang R&D center in Korea as well

[@SL4PSYM4XY]

was going to say that too. also... generally speaking, cars that are tuned at the ring are worse, not better. Well worse for the road, better for the track. The N is no exception. I have one, a 2020. I love it, but holy shit is it stiff, even with my downsized 18" winters.

[@SL4PSYM4XY]

@@wdnalo that’s not really my point. The suspension is way too stiff for regular shitty American roads, even in normal mode. That’s undebatable. Also, shoulda got the manual 🤷

[@PCGGC]

@@SL4PSYM4XY I find the suspension in normal mode is just fine for any roads I've been on. The N is worlds smoother ride than my Focus RS was lol

[@iaretheone11]

@@SL4PSYM4XY i have one. Just put it on normal mode n ur good. Its not tht bad. Ppl over exaggerate the stiffness 🙄. Its not

[@SL4PSYM4XY]

Is the N your first car? Have you driven literally anything else? It's very stiff, idk how anyone could not see it that way. After the car is warmed up I typically tool around in N Custom with suspension in normal. It isn't undrivable. I agree, people over-exaggerate how stiff it is, but telling people it isn't a rough ride isn't fair either.

[@davidinthe47]

I love my N best choice I could of made. I priced out each of these cars in 2018 I ended up waiting till 2019 to get my N and now two years of ownership I can say I am beyond happy with the N.

[@Neptune8]

Judging by your photo you got the best color to

[@phantomsession9869]

How’s maintenance? Expensive?

[@peachulemon]

@@phantomsession9869 that's my worry, i would love to buy an N but Ik i can beat on a honda hard and it won't break or if i do its not always expensive.

[@pnwdweler4100]

@@peachulemon 10 year 100k power train warranty.

[@j.a.g.8689]

do you still have it

[@frumpd63]

I bought a Mk7 in 2014 and it was the market leader at that time. Since then, VW has basically done nothing but pull cost out and stuff screens in. These days, Hyundai is absolutely killing it and I would buy a Veloster all day but man do I wish it had a sunroof.

[@SimonStrother]

Easy. New GTI coming out next year.

[@bubbie1983]

People actually care about sunroofs?

[@linkinparkdrift]

@@bubbie1983 The only use my sunroof gets is for suction cup mounting my GoPro lol

[@2010ngojo]

I rarely use the sunroof. So I'm okay without one on the n. South Korea gets it for some reason though.

[@buildmorefarms1007]

From an engineering standpoint the sunroof would add weight and change the balance of the car/topheaviness...you always want the weight to be down low not up high.

[@Rick1984FL]

Lol at Todd with the “Nuremberg edition.”

[@chrisluecke3341]

My favorite comment ever. “I was IN sport mode... that’s disappointing “. I crack up every time. 😂

[@PurpleDinoRhino]

I drive an 18 si and it really is disapointing, but after a flash it really wakes everything up and is just fast enough to be fun now. They really put a limit on the car from the factory.

[@afrikengunner]

That would be N mode or N custom... u will not pop snap and crackle in sport mode in an N product

[@xii-dollface-iix9644]

@@PurpleDinoRhino it’s amazing how much of a change a tune makes on the gti

[@Conqueefstador]

@@xii-dollface-iix9644 my in law has golf r turbo, down pipe and tune and is pushing close to 400, it’s ridiculous

[@corysekine-pettite1783]

I had a Saturn 3-door many years ago. Remember those? I loved that car. It worked flawlessly for the 7 years I owned it. It had a manual transmission and got 40 mpg -- in the 1990s! Imagine that!

[@Leonidae]

*Opel Astra

[@ThisIsInput]

I've had a few! 2 sedans and one of those 3 door coupes. I was obsessed as you'll see on my channel lol.

[@ThisIsInput]

@@Leonidae Not the Astra

[@PCGGC]

I picked the Veloster N over the Civic Type R. Better driver fit, better exhaust note, just as well handling in corners, better customization for performance. It's definitely cheaper inside but very comfortable and easy to use. Also the 2020 Type Rs are marked up to $50k and I got my 2020 VN performance pack for $28,500

[@buildmorefarms1007]

I got mine for 28,212

[@PCGGC]

@@buildmorefarms1007 Helluva deal! So far I just have a catless downpipe (Depo has them now! USA made and fast ship!) and an air intake and basically tied back and forth with the local Type R owner and still under $30k for me lol Definitely wasn't going to finance $48k for a Civic (would have got a G70 Genesis in that range for v6 twin turbo)

[@MandusahRamirez]

The Veloster Turbo would Compete with Si & GTI. This Veloster N is competing with Type-R & Golf R.

[@AL-kc4kg]

@@philcollins1305 exactly, veloster turbo competes with gti and si with much lowered price, same applies to veloster N to golf r and type r. the logic compete within same price range is just to highlight veloster N to lower tier competitions.

[@calvinhobbes6646]

It doesn’t in price or speed.

[@TheStigHCE09]

The Turbo would compete with the Si in performance but it's significantly less powerful than the GTI, and the N was basically created to beat the GTI, not the R.

[@frankENZC]

@@TheStigHCE09 The Veloster n does compete with the Type R according to Car and driver. 0-60 in 4.8 seconds. The Veloster n DCT. www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a35031677/2021-hyundai-veloster-n-by-the-numbers/

[@TheStigHCE09]

@@frankENZC Not Type R, Golf R. And Hyundai priced the N squarely to compete with the GTI.

[@THEsoulquarian]

Everyone says the GTI is boring but I think it looks very sharp in person. Def the best looking of the bunch. Not everyone wants an over styled monstrosity. But the Veloster does seem like the most fun.

[@moniack]

I loved my 2010 GTI. Sold it a year after the powertrain warranty was over because I knew stuff would start failing on the engine. I did update the tensioner though, which made it an easy sell- that and the young German guy who was trying to find a 4 door with a stick.

[@Electromagneticplutonium]

It looked sharp until they released the 8th gen

[@buildmorefarms1007]

It doesnt seem like the most fun, the N is far and away the most fun!

[@jake_of_the_jungle9840]

Gti is my favorite. You don’t look so much like a ricer if you don’t choose, but if you do there are limitless mods to make the car whatever you want.

[@jimmypena2442]

I think it looks like a chick car for it to be a hot hatch. I call it the angry cute pokemon

[@Chewygsxr]

I just love the way you guys mentioned the Fiesta ST in this review many times, I go way back to your Tiny Turbos, and how impressed you were about it. I have a 14 ST on a stage two Cobb tune, short shift kit, sticky Mitchell tires, it has 98,000 miles on it, I’m on my 6th set of tires, I’m 73 years young and love driving on 3 wheels. The Fiesta Flash 🤙🏼🍺🍺🍺

[@EverydayDriver]

Glad you have a ST and enjoy it so much. Such great cars. Thanks for watching!

[@geraldgoodiii6993]

I have a 2020 VN (performance pack) I can’t sing it’s praises any more.. it’s amazing. It’s handling is out of this world. Do a few bolt ons and get a tune and all of a sudden it’s out of this class and into the CTR/ Golf R class.. and even stock it’s damn close!

[@thexetmes]

In stock form, the GTI is most refined. At the same time, it has the most aftermarket/tuning potential out of the three. Best of both worlds IMO.

[@thefives7ar]

Selling my 7.5 GTI and upgrading to the N is the best move I ever made. Performance wise, fun wise, and tech wise the N blows the GTI out of the water. I’m not sure what the GTI is exactly better for. I loved it owned it for four years, Had an ECU tune but I knew I was buying the N as soon as I got in the car and put performance mode on.

[@MrShikfootball]

You also forgot the one other thing it takes 1st place in. It is by far the most boring out of the 3 and i think the most boring out of all the hot hatches

[@jonchapa4477]

​@@MrShikfootballboring because they don't look like a 14 year old drew them while daydreaming in class? They N and SI definitely have that boy racer look but I guess that excites some people🤷‍♂️ the N is a sweet car tho besides the looks of the back end

[@turbojobo]

The GTI for me has better build quality and materials in the cabin, it seems more mature and not as a raceboy car compared to the other two.

[@joespittle1]

It's something you could take people out to lunch in but also have fun on a backroad, a nice medium.

[@whamou]

The GTI is the least reliable of the 3.

[@turtlemonkey5439]

@@whamou still more reliable than most cars

[@thrasherx2k1]

@@whamou says who?

[@shino8854]

Kinda bland though.

[@Only1DrewN]

Just about a year left of the lease on my '19 Civic hatch and I've fallen in love with it truly. Not a manual but pop the lever down into S on the highways and zip around. The CVT isn't the greatest but I know its why I'm getting better MPG. My partner is looking to get a manual and I might put the Si on top of the list. Civics are wonderful.

[@randallherreraNyc]

these were the 3 cars i tossed and turned on many sleepless nights.. i came from a 2009 toyota yaris, i wanted something fun without going full 50K+ sports car.. i chose a 2020 civic si coupe and have been pretty happy.. huge step up over my 09 yaris.. great video!

[@michaelw2263]

I can see this being the spot where the GR Yaris (or GR Corolla if the USA gets it) would be.

[@scubarubanzaii]

Funny, the GR Yaris is around $45,000 USD in other markets after conversion

[@michaelw2263]

@@scubarubanzaii I'm sure the other cars are quite expensive in various markets too

[@R3LF13]

I hope the USDM GR Corolla is as good as the GR Yaris appears to be based on reviews. If it is, ill be very interested. If not, the Veloster N is at the top of my list.

[@michaelw2263]

@@R3LF13 I'm hopeful for a GR Corolla. While an AWD version would be insane, I'd be happy with a FWD.

[@boygonewhoopdataZZ]

@@R3LF13 Not a fat chance lol. It'll "DEFINITELY" lag behind the new Si and SE-R/Nismo.

[@rohanbakshi209]

I have a MK6 GTI (owned it for 7 years) and just spend a month in a Civic SI through Turo. I think the Civic is definitely more 'darty', but the ride (both comfort and handling) is better on the GTI. Every roadtrip (longer than 1 hour) in the SI absolutely battered us. We have done 12+ hour roadtrips in the GTI and still felt comfortable after the trip.

[@davidcoons89]

The tenth gen SI is definitely more of a ‘momentous car’ than its other two competitors shown here. Great commuter too. Though I own a golf 7R and do also like the similar in DNA GTI. But I’m a touch partial. I def think the Veloster N strikes a compelling balance and I’m looking forward to checking one out. I also think it’s unique enough while maintaining a level of class and marurity fit for many folks’ different strokes.

[@yosammy1746]

I own a 2019 si sedan. Still in love with it especially with a tune and bolt-ons.

[@petegalindez9961]

You know, the two different looks on each side sounds weird, but when you think about it, no one will ever be able to see both sides at the same time...goes along with my idea as a kid when hubcaps were big, that you can have two different sets of hubcaps to give off different looks on each side of the car! Love it!

[@dzelpwr]

I'd probably still get the GTI. Sure, it's maybe not quite as exciting in some ways, but it fits long torso'd individuals like myself quite well. The seats are great. It's not very attention-grabbing (I prefer the sleeper) and I just like how they drive from the daily driver standpoint. Light clutch, nice, slick shifter. Surprising amounts of low end torque for a 2L engine. VERY surprising. You can just about drive it like a diesel, which is rather nice for the daily driver situation. And that fancy limited slip when you REALLY try to find the limits, not the 7/10ths driving going on here, makes a world of difference. If you were to truly try to find the limits of adhesion around a corner in these cars, while on the throttle, you might see where a real difference has been made with the GTI. There's a reason Clarkson bought a Mk7 GTI a few years ago.

[@Spaceghost1241]

I’ve owned a GTI, Wolfsburg Jetta, Civic Si, and many other cars… the Veloster N is the enthusiast car of the 3 in this video….. it just flat out is….. it’s fun sounding, fun to drive, track ready, and priced to compete….. N hands down …..

[@TopGear759]

Daily: GTI Most fun: N SI: boring. Drove all 3 and my fave was the Hyundai but ended up with the GTI as it did everything well.

[@gvi341984]

Everything wrong you mean ? Hopefully you leased it

[@tstandri]

I drove these 3 cars multiple times, researched aftermarket for both, and took cars home for the weekend to see if I would like driving them. I ended up with an Si sedan. It was overall the best car for me and what I am doing with it. It destroys curvy roads, and if you’re willing to put about a grand into it then it makes more impressive power.

[@Whileweweresinners]

Just wait into fuel is in your oil. You'll be trading your SI immediately. Go look it up. The 1.5l is a pile of shit. I have a 2020si and I have put an exhaust and a intercooler. Still weak.

[@RCXDerp]

@@Whileweweresinners An intercooler and exhaust will do nothing for power, I have a 2020 Si too in pearl white. The fuel in the oil stuff is overblown. Its a good daily when I want to keep the GT350 clean.

[@jaredfletcher1587]

@@RCXDerp definitely as long as you change your oil in regular intervals you are fine, ive tuned my 2017 si and its pretty quick

[@keirinmaster]

Can't wait to trade in my Fusion Hybrid for an N. Had a Focus ST for three years and my God do I miss that car.

[@SnowWhiteMR2]

I think it would be a huge indictment of N if the Veloster wasn't a stand out here. Hyundai was going after the Type R and trying to undercut the price. The Turbo would be intended competitor

[@JT-fq2bl]

I agree. I wish Hyundai & Kia would have standard LSD for the N-Line/ GT models.

[@Tool0GT92]

An N is like $7k more than an Si.

[@MichaelJohnson-uo3ef]

@@Tool0GT92 the SI isnt being sold for this model year and the 2021 N has the PP standard raising the price to 32K MSRP. Still the best deal in town hands down.

[@Tool0GT92]

@@MichaelJohnson-uo3ef up until about 3 months ago you could still find new Si's

[@MichaelJohnson-uo3ef]

@@Tool0GT92 3 months ago isnt today or tomorrow and youd have to wait for the 2022 model year leaving only the accord sport to compete and they are both 32k while the Veloster N is lighter and still has more power and is only slightly less practical and it has the 6 speed manual standard.

[@aygwm]

The whole video sounded like that one Tire Rack ad because they used the same music 😂

[@corysekine-pettite1783]

I've always liked the GTI. It is always on my shopping list when looking for a new car. Of course, other cars end up appealing to me more...

[@VAGHUNTR]

Like he said... The GTI stock isn't the most fun to drive at first and not the most powerfull too... But man when you start to mod it.... I know most people won't do it and i get it it's expensive and everything.... I own one and was a bit disapointed when i first got it then i trown some coil, swaybar, downpipe and a tune... that change the car so much... it's sad to see all those review and everybody is placing the gti last cause i feel like it deserve better... it's such a great car and once you start putting a little bit of money on it you will see all the potential it have...

[@jponz85]

@@VAGHUNTR you can say the same shit to the other cars dude. FBO and tune on any of these cars will make it much faster.

[@wavy518]

@@jponz85 no! The gti u can mod to the moon! The other 2 stop right around 300hp once u start modding

[@jponz85]

@@wavy518 that statement makes no sense at all. The N alone can make 300+ with simple bolt ons.

[@wavy518]

@@jponz85 what I'm saying is the GTI can be at 350whp with just downpipe and tune. U can't get to 350 on the N without changing out the turbo and even when u do change it out the limit is 375. The GTI u change out the turbo your at 550+whp. The gti is in a different league in terms of tuning and mods. If ur going to keep it stock yes the N is better. But if your modding there is no competition.

[@bradthomas3188]

I had an 08' Civic Si with the 2.0L NA engine with VTEC and 8K rpm redline. It was a fantastic car - that engine didn't have much torque, but it was special. The transmission and short-throw shifter were also great. It's sad that we'll never have cars like that again.

[@bucknut2000]

I still have mine. Everything you said is spot on.

[@Richie-C]

I drove a 05 tyre r civic recently, what a drivers car, like a gokart and screamed up to the 9k mark

[@369jwillow]

The rev hang is fixed by letting off the throttle about a half second earlier.

[@Idahoridge]

It's fixed with software. TSP stage 1. Completely transforms this car.

[@andys6385]

@@Idahoridge civic si ?

[@Idahoridge]

@@andys6385 Yes sir. You'll eventually need a clutch with this tune though - the stocker cannot handle the extra torque. Regardless it's still a HUGE improvement and the car rips if you drive it right in order to not fry the clutch.

[@Tool0GT92]

@@Idahoridge if you don't punch it until above 3500rpms and go easy in 5th and 6th gear the stock clutch will survive.

[@y0ungj0m]

Would've been cool to see you guys in the new DCT N! Enjoyed both of your inputs/opinions 👍

[@Hellmore94]

Here's a 1 year review of the DCT.. The transmissions are exploding.. stick with the manual version. Lmao

[@boanless]

The civic only comes in manual so it’s only fair they were all manual. Plus, you know.

[@charlesbrewer2024]

I have to say this is one of the best videos I have watched with two people with their opinions in a good way it was great and eye-opening and made it very easy to feel connected to the vehicles it was very informative these are videos that I look for great job

[@sofielee4122]

something interesting about the velociraptor is that the RHD models have the drivers door still bigger, so they have to make two completely different chassis for the RHD and LHD versions

[@jalmonte91]

Love the review, and I agree, I would also got with the N. But the proper comparison for this review would’ve been the Veloster Turbo

[@mogulme6190]

Well they should be priced that way

[@nelsonwilley062998d]

That is exactly what I thought there is no way the n should have been in this comparison when the veloster turbo is its direct competitor

[@GummyRiches]

Key point: price

[@Tycy2014]

The n is a civic type r competitor, think it is a more fun then the r but the r is faster... But mark up kills the r for me, not gonna pay 45k for a civic. Now 33 for a n and put 6k in it to make it faster then a civic... You betcha.

[@GummyRiches]

@@Tycy2014 in comparison to $$$. U no understand?😁

[@jaromor8808]

12:31 what a view! ...with the Civic in the background

[@19hundoc47]

You guys make great videos! Keep it up!

[@93455Driver]

Topher just reviewed the DCT Veloster N and seemed very impressed, preferred it more than the manual, which was a surprise. Great video work here, makes me homesick for Cali.

[@JT-fq2bl]

0-60 mph in 4.8 seconds. The Sonata N-Line 0-60 mph in 5.0 seconds & 5-60 mph in 5.2 seconds. Hyundai is built some fast cars.

[@awesomethebunny]

Wow, they were really hating on the GTI this episode. I have a Mk6, and even compared to the Civic Si I test drove, it's buckets more fun both in straight lines and corners. I will say though, that Veloster N is definitely doing something right, I hope it breeds more competition in the hot-hatch category.

[@awesomethebunny]

@@layne4376 When I got my car last year, I drove a 2018 civic si automatic. Didn't really seem all that amazing to me in comparison tbh

[@yuephengxiong7000]

@@awesomethebunny you didn't drive a si then, the civic si doesn't come in automatic. You probably drove a civic touring or any of the civic hatch models that comes with a engine similar to the si, but very different in terms of parts.

[@TheStigHCE09]

Leaving out the whole Civic Si "automatic" malarkey (I'm not from America so I don't know anything about the Si), the GTI goes too far in being a jack of all trades, master of none. I've driven Mk7.5s like this test car and it's definitely more fun than a Golf R (I can feel the hate coming but it simply is) but when compared to cars that branch out a little towards the power and handling, it feels pretty darn dull. Apparently this new Mk8 is even worse because they've now taken out the GTI's USP of it being the best daily and made it worse with a lower quality interior and screens instead of buttons.

[@stevethomas760]

I think that Hyundai will appeal to a larger segment of the market with the upcoming Elantra & Kona N. Especially with the eight speed dual clutch. Look forward to your review of those cars.

[@kopfschuss881]

I agree. For me that 3 door is hard. Putting kids in and out of cars dictates purchases. I have an 07 si in my mini fleet and 4 doors makes life easy

[@stevethomas760]

@@kopfschuss881 Yep, own a '05 WRX hatch (owned it's twin '02 for 17 years). A practical car that is fun to drive, good recipe

[@wannabegolfin24-72]

Yep. I'm buying an elantra. Can't wait til it comes out

[@ravipeiris4388]

I come for the reviews but stay for the end of the video discussions. These two guys would be simply fun to hang out with 🙂.

[@EverydayDriver]

Thanks for watching!

[@rowdytitan]

Tuning out the "starting vibration reduction" in the GTI with an OBD11 makes a world of a difference... no more torque management in 1st and 2nd gear.

[@brianmccarty2636]

Unfortunately not an option in the 2019, there is no starting vibration reduction.

[@huebman]

I love the Velocitor and Si, but as a adult professional, they are just a little to teen racer for me. I love the subdued look of the GTI, and the HUUUUUGE aftermarket that can turn it into a very unassuming monster.

[@kennychiu8278]

GTi also looks TEEN RACER. If you want looks like your grandpa go get a VW Passat.

[@brianmalanga7242]

I thought the Veloster N was the competitor for the Civic Type R

[@johnsmith1034]

It is

[@nathanbowman5940]

type R is almost 10k more

[@iluvcakes19]

It isn't. The Type R has a fairly large performance gap over the N. The Type R competes with the Focus RS, Golf R, and STi.

[@Stormtrooper-oc4vn]

@@nathanbowman5940 yup and thats the target for the veloster N. Type r be selling toooooo high of a price. The dealers are the problem

[@richardledesma1675]

The Veloster N is in such a weird gap, it’s realistically better than the vw gti, veloster turbo 1.6t, Honda Civic si category, but it’s just not up there yet in the type r, golf r, subaru Sti, it’s in between but just under the higher category

[@aaronb7996]

I love how you guys mention the tuning of the GTI, but rate all the cars based off of stock. I had a B5 S4 (great car when it was actually running) and if you compared it to a e46 M3 it had more potential and was faster when tuned (due to the twin turbos). Stock, the M3 was far more agile, faster, and more fun.

[@BenIntentional]

What a time to be alive. The pinnacle of ICE and the Swan Song of the same.

[@AdamAllen]

Kudos to Hyundai. Impressive.

[@DirtyFiST69]

For the price, an SI, no doubt, especially if you're someone with not a lot of money like your average 20 year old working at a malls T-Mobile stand, you can pick up a used one that's fairly low mileage for good price. And they're really tuneable. The veloster is what I would pick if i ever had to get rid of my Fiesta ST(which I won't unless it breaks to a point where I can't fix it). The veloster seems to of done everything right, from ride, to interior, exterior, performance and sound. Everything except those gimmicky doors but if you drive alone most the time like me that doesn't matter. I appreciate GTIs but they lack personality, they're just soooo boring to me, inside and out, from the looks to the sound. I know you can get an APR tune and make them fast as hell and they have nice interiors but that's where it stops. I guess if you want a quieter, not so good sounding, subdued sporty hatch, like a 40 year old dad, that's the choice. But hey, opinions are like buttholes, we've all got one.

[@aaronmontford7123]

I think the one thing that was left out as an "all-rounder" was the fact the GTI interior feels more premium, especially in the SE and Autoban trims. Sure it's not the best for canyon carving compared to these two, but most people (especially in the US) are spending most of their time in traffic and on the highway. The GTI in comfort mode at highway speed is a dream.

[@GERONIMO326]

Should've done a test on the 2020 SI. The shorter final drive ratio wakes it up a little. The refresh was nice.

[@reidconti]

Surprised you found the Civic to have the best ride of the bunch, I would have guessed GTI all day. I had an Mk7 R with the 6 speed, and loved it. Replaced the boat anchor 19" blingy Cadiz wheels with some lightweight 18s and Pilot Super Sports, and it was great. Definitely my favorite-looking car of the bunch as well, but the Velostar would be my pick for sure for something "fun". I've driven the Focus and Fiesta ST and they're both a blast, with the smaller Fiesta being by far the best of the two. But, how is the Velostar "only a little more money" than the Civic? That sounds like the logic I'd use-- "If I wanted to save money, I wouldn't be buying a car at all". But from a consumer advice standpoint, $4k on such an inexpensive car is a lot of money-- 16% is nothing to sneeze at.

[@buildmorefarms1007]

Light weight wheels can make a difference! Smart!

[@DigitalRecollections]

I’m shopping for a fun but economical car and is considering the FIST…in my area they are 20-23k for a one owner low miles 2018-2019 (I’m too used to having a backup camera lol) and I have other bigger cars that me and my wife share What do you think about that price though

[@suspensiondude]

N, all day every day! Best car I've ever owned👍

[@MatthewGaither]

"The middle of the middle children. Parked in the middle." - Haha!

[@aaromon43]

you both just made my decision for an N much easier. thank you!

[@ekr6]

Love my GTI

[@eklektikTechno]

I’m for the GTI

[@tobimanx7026]

I think its absolutely boring. No Emotions in this car for me.

[@ethanfinchum1897]

I have a 2019 manual base gti and man, does that car have some spunk, but its an incredibly practical car. 30 mpg city but it has tons of room and some exciting torque. Its the perfect car for me. I stan GTIs.

[@vles007]

I agree. An exhaust, intake, and a decent tune and these things are PERFECT daily drivers. I got a 17 mk7 manual with the plaid seats last year and just did a FEW things to it, and I’m never getting rid of this car. It’s literally perfect. It’s so light and tossable, and with a tune it’s an absolute monster. Just a few more tweaks and a better tune and I’ll be keeping up with my buddys scat pack charger.

[@oneanddone7992]

@@vles007 Agree. I have a 2018 GTI SE, APR stage 1, cold air intake and AWE cat-back touring, summer tires, and along with (for me) the nicest interior of any car I have owned, and I cannot imagine a better car for the dollar.

[@2F4R4W4Y]

@@tobimanx7026 absolutely? some biased fan boy spotted over here. Make yourself a favor go and drive one your self. Agree on this comparo with their driver focused the N gets it. But there's more than just that. GTI gets the crown an practicality and of course it will age way better than the other 2 hideous looking.

[@Nissannx2000svg]

I bought the Rabbit edition because it’s the most refined and puts a smile on my face. Swap the tyres and a light tune and it’s a definite sleeper

[@Glock_4717]

Great comparison guys! Cheers

[@PCGGC]

Also if you want to be happy in TRAFFIC (who cares about this when buying a manual?) there's an automatic Veloster N for 2021 with a DUAL WET CLUTCH system that is fast and smooth as butter and no manual clutch to hold down

[@worldofz00]

True but work from home makes it easier. Lots of companies taking a hybrid approach making manual ownership potentially easier.

[@appalachianoperator]

Or we could not be wimps and drive a manual

[@HOTPLATEGAMING]

I went with a 2020 GTI Autobahn 6MT over the Si and Veloster N.

[@GenerationRx]

Traded in my 2015 Autobahn MT for a 2020 SE MT last month. Absolutely LOVE the MK7-7.5

[@robertsantiago3102]

Love these car guys. Their car critique and criteria is brilliant.

[@christianviens2334]

what a great fun video u made .im listening to this in january its winter here in quebec and ive had real fun listening all the way to end .i have a santa fe 2018 and love it but my next car will sure be a veloster n i mean how far away have hyundai came fronm they really upped their game and i love it.Thank you for this great video cheers!!!!!

[@EverydayDriver]

Glad you enjoyed it and it gave you a winter escape. Good luck car shopping and thanks for watching!

[@christianviens2334]

@@EverydayDriver thank you guys i love your videos wasnt subbed but u have 1 more subscriber. keep them coming, you two are great good vibes !!!!

[@epicraptorman]

Isn't the N above the Si-tier? I mean the base Veloster Turbo is what rivals the Si

[@spencerlorrigan]

I agree. But then again, the N is about the same price as the Golf. They just couldn't use the civic Type R because it would be too much, so they went with the lower priced SI instead. But if you were just comparing the two, the Veloster turbo would make more sense.

[@deyeatdapoopoo7582]

If you care at all about driving dynamics the Veloster N blows the other two out of the water. Also has the best looks by far. It's not even close.

[@averagegamer9397]

As an owner of a 2021 MT I agree 100%. It looks good in videos but when you see it in person its a lot more aggressive and the paint really pops. The round VW body lines are not nearly as attractive and the Civic SI is a great car, but not even in the same league as the VN. I grew up on VW cars and was a big fanboi, but if you take an objective look at all 3 cars in this review, the only thing that holds the Veloster N back is the Hyundai branding. Its the best car hands down. Unreal handling and acceleration. Hyundai clearly gave this car their very best and it shows. Its 50hp above the golf and 70hp over the SI with far better handling and ride quality. If you take brand bias out of the equation its a no brainer.

[@Turtle3000]

I have a 2018 10th Gen Civic Si Coupe. Tuned the rev hang out, of course, for those who will not cross that threshold, it will feel strange all the time.

[@curly2k32007]

Veloster N was the most raw, but I went UG Rabbit in the end and the car was very different after I upgraded the tires.

[@ayb2522]

It’s interesting how the Veloster N is always compared to the GTI and Si, not the R’s. It’s their top model, with Veloster Turbo and base Veloster below it. It sort of straddles the line between the middle and top model of other brands, both performance and price wise

[@revmatchproductions]

Its because of the price. Type R and Golf R are at least 6 grand more, Golf is like 10 grand more

[@drsnowmon]

Have you been to the dealer lately? Golf R and Type R is AT LEAST $10K more than the Veloster N And no I'm not a Hyundai fanboy I have MK7.5 GTI

[@quaidmciver172]

I would get the Veloster N DCT. Over the other two.

[@arthurmroyce]

2020 Veloster N w/PP. After over three years this car is still the bomb. I have done some minor mods, but this is the best stock car I have ever owned.

[@basementality4924]

Finally a video where the Veloster N isent up against a type R, a golf R and a focus RS. Cars way above the N’s price range. A regular Veloster turbo probably would be more equal to the si and gti though.

[@Jorge_Magallon]

“Now with more Nazi’s”. Lol.

[@RyGuyRy]

The Si doesn't even compete with the N I'm sorry lol. The N is just on a whole other level when comparing against the other two. Incredible value for the money. Yea sure I'm bias bc I own one lol, but I have driven and test drove Alot of cars and this one is just a gem. Hyundai's warranty just can't be beat on top of them including Free 3yr Maintenance (oil changes, tire rotation, etc.). My other car (Srt-4 in great condition| '05\70k mi.) has been sitting Alot more now since owning the N. Which says something bc I absolutely love my Srt4.

[@SVW1976]

This is what im struggling with. The N is supposed to compete with the Civic R. It probably loses that comparison but atleast that comparison makes sense. I recently bought the Forte GT and considered the Civic Si before buying. This is where I believe the Civic Should be compared.

[@phattyhales]

The N is the oddball here. It fits directly between the GTI and Golf R as well as the SI and Type R. It doesn't really have any true, direct competitors. The Focus ST would have been the closest to it if they were still on sale. Price wise, the N competes more closely with what we reviewed it with.

[@dougsk8rwiggy]

The only problem I see with the N is the resale and longevity.. Hyundai in canada lose their value faster than almost any other brand. The N will obviously hold more value for longer.. but look at what 6v Genesis's are selling for now.. its rough

[@cindysue5474]

Wish you did the review with the DCT in the N.

[@gooeykev]

I like my MK 7.5 GTI Autobahn Pure white. I think it’s fun, and is very refined and practical. I guess that would be considered “boring” to some people but it has decent cargo and can hold 4 regular sized passengers. If I were to trade in, I’d probably get a Veloster N or Elantra N one day.

[@itspabbs]

The GTI's versatility if you have a family cannot be overlooked. It's why I chose it.

[@arthurmroyce]

I chose the Veloster N. I am an empty nester so my car has to fit my wife and my 'cello. Everytime I drive it I have a smile on my face.

[@DanG90]

Interesting review, I had the same choice a few years back and went with the DSG GTI, fully optioned. Main reason was it was primarily a commuter in heavy traffic which it was fantastic for. Also decent on a back road on weekends so could still be a fun car. However, I have no doubt the Veloster N is a more engaging drive on a back road. The GTI is a little too refined, which looses some of the engagement.

[@buildmorefarms1007]

The DSG lurches in stop and go, I heard it isnt smooth at all in traffic.

[@vroomgc]

@@buildmorefarms1007 Huh? Wrong

[@DanG90]

It’s not bad at all in traffic, I had heard the same before I brought it. DSG in generally don’t like to creep forward, as long as your coming to a full stop they don’t jerk at all. DSG has come a long way since the first iterations, I love manuals, but with traffic can’t beat the DSG,

[@auralplex]

The GTI is plenty fast.. 5.5 0-60. That’s the speed of a super car in the 80s.

[@DaOneEnOnly]

"You practically work at the car dealer...." :D

[@tonya.2645]

After driving Mercedes cars for 30+ years I bought a used 2010 GTI 6sp Manual. Lots of fun in the mountains with three pedals. Sold it and got a brand new 2017 GTI Sport. Same engine as in this review and great auto transmission. More power, more fun with LSD and much better headlights. Getting traction on take off is a problem with FWD. GTI has wind noise on highway. Sold it. Got a 2015 Mercedes C400 3.0L Twin Turbo, 329HP, 354ft/lbs torque, 4Matic AWD, 0-60mph 4.7s, much quieter on highway and everyday driving, ECO and Comfort modes get up to 29mpg. Sport mode is a awesome. Sport Plus is don't-mess-with-me mode holding high revs. Nice Burmeister sound. C400 had it all for me: luxury, sport, performance, fuel economy and AWD. Good prices on used and certified cars. No major problems in 2.5 years now. Yes, maintenance can be high after warranty expires but there's a price to pay for everyday satisfaction at all levels. Best thing about the C400 is the absence of excessive negative camber on front wheels, which ate up my tires at half life on my E55. Also made sure not to get the adaptive dampers so there's less to go bad.

[@gabrielv2338]

*takes the top trim of the Hyundai and not the top trims of the other 2 but still praises it like it’s better* 😂😂😂

[@bushnellmartin501]

Well now it’s the only one they got...

[@Chuckles9191991]

It’s a comparison of price, u can’t put the civic type R in that group, it’s just short of 42K.

[@Sayua-chan]

Honda for me as well. Here's why: Veloster is a new kid in the game that's a tryhard. Over time, once the excitement clears away you'll start noticing its cons. Golf is the oldest and it feels like it's aimed at people who grew up in 80's. Nothing wrong in that, but that screams viagra to me. Civic has the essence of japanese thinking. Subtle and balanced. You won't get rewarded with everything right away, you need to go deeper. Long lasting appreciation takes time and effort, but it's worth it. Oh, and gen X is the LAST generation of petrol-only powered Civic. Gen XI will be a hybrid only, just like current new Jazz. Which is why gen X are selling like hot cakes, atm.

[@kirksmith347]

You probably own Honda's

[@PCGGC]

Also the Veloster with performance package (the 275bhp version) is NOT an eDiff as you described. Yes It's electronically controlled but it is indeed a mechanical Limited Slip Differential, not just brake based like the old Focus STs and many hatches are (and the base model is)

[@kevinpriestly324]

hey guys,i have to totally agree with paul, you can do the sport driving amd the boring stuff with ease in the hyundai and you would not notice the 4k difference plus you have something very unique , my problem is the brand identity honda and vw have history in motorsport bit i did buy the hyundai after all and i love it even more now

[@JT-fq2bl]

Brand history comes with time. Hyundai is raking up lot of wins in Motorsport.

[@Bungle]

9:59 you guys almost hit that minivan, eh? Looks like he had just pulled out for another car and, as soon as he got back on the road, you ran right up his butt.

[@san709]

open road, i figure he just switched to the left lane to avoid the minivan but cut it out because of the legality of it

[@trucktwister]

I have an si coupe because it's a really comfy daily driver with its light clutch and it comes with a sunroof. The veloster N exhaust sounds amazing and I'd definitely consider it if the entire interior wasn't hard plastic.

[@doctorferdinand1003]

I had the same experience with the Veloster N. It really is an old school take on hot hatches where the goal is simply cheap speed. Performs like a $36k car, interior like a $20k car.

[@frf1670]

@@doctorferdinand1003 it is a 35k car now. The interior of 2021 is much better with the new bucket seats and new infotainment screen.

[@tommylee4135]

I would've never considered getting FWD until the Veloster N came out. Now the Elantra N is coming out with 4 doors!

[@bt7482]

There is also a Kona N, but I'm guessing with the added weight it won't be as entertaining as the Veloster N

[@tommylee4135]

@@bt7482 definately a compromise for people who need the extra room or to trick their wife

[@scratch1200s]

The Veloster is out of the question for me, as I’m a family man, but this made me want to test drive the gti and si.

[@moneyblade5]

VN wins, more fun, faster, sounds better, best performance. Keep in mind this car was 2 seconds faster around a track than the golf R with AWD and more power when throttle house tested it.

[@cayman9873]

Vw is not faster.. you are incorrect

[@TheStigHCE09]

@@cayman9873 it says VN as in Veloster N. Not VW. Then again as an Australian I see VN and I think of what is arguably the worst Holden Commodore ever made.

[@okanoshi941]

If I was shopping for a hot hatch, the Veloster N would be at the top of my list 🔥💯

[@Fearless-Hyena]

I have veloster N and i drive in nyc . very good for learning and hella fun to drive on highways

[@mmahtnart8986]

I heard (inter wed (-; ) that the Veloster "N" was the First letter in the name of the city that is Hyundai's headquarters.

[@buildmorefarms1007]

Ford performance cars are in the graveyard...sad they discontinued the Focus ST and RS and Fiesta ST...RIP Ford.

[@Leonidae]

*in US.

[@iaretheone11]

In the US. They are alive n well in Europe n other countries.

[@bt7482]

The plus side to that is the used market is filled with great deals of the Fiesta and Focus ST.

[@buildmorefarms1007]

@@bt7482 Maybe but Im not seeing many used ones for sale.

[@JoshuaTootell]

Just totalled my SE Fiesta (not at fault rear ended). Loved that car so much I'm tempted to find an ST Fiesta or Focus (or...RS🤔).

[@tom666araya]

I'll take the Civic SI and a Hondata Flashpro and have $3300 left over.

[@TheApolloK]

Never driven a Si or N, but own a Autobahn DSG GTi ( Outside Sales - 18K mi/yr commute) for the last 5 years. Added stage one cobb tune to dsg and motor and I'm plenty happy with how this thing comes alive when I want to thrash it around through some canyons on my way home ( Pre Pandemic) or running around late at night. Getting close to 100k mi on odo so looking for next commuter beast...feels like a waste getting a new GTi or R...maybe I'll just keep it going. MK7 platform with zero major issues so far. Just a new battery and top off the coolant once on top of routine dsg maintenance and oil changes.

[@Paulosucks]

i drive and own a veloster n pp, its the best thing ever. i haven't stopped smiling for over a year now.

[@vilhelmstein2091]

Far stretch on that "kind of" hp comparison

[@hotdogy12345]

Lol no kidding 🤣

[@thomasshea288]

Slap a tune on the Si; no more rev hang and you’re up at the same power levels as the GTi and closer to the N

[@joelopez5018]

A hondata E-tune and still be $4k less than either one of those with about 240-250hp at the wheels.

[@jeremyhenry3126]

@@joelopez5018 Base N is 250hp. Performance pack and it's 275. Slap a tune and it's 350.

[@joelopez5018]

@@jeremyhenry3126 wow, 75hp from just a tune huh? Ummm no.

[@jeremyhenry3126]

@@joelopez5018 Umm. No. Not from just a tune. You have to go through SXTH and get the bigger intercooler. Downpipes. Bigmouth ram air. And send in the turbo to get bored out. Then tune it for that on the 93 octane tune through the piggyback hooked up to the OBD 2. Sorry I didn't mention that. I'm scatter brained man. ADD.

[@joelopez5018]

@@jeremyhenry3126 now I’m not saying the veloster N isn’t a good car, it’s a great car no doubt. But if you think about the civic si with amount of aftermarket support that it has, it’s absolutely no wonder why it’s a popular platform. I mean, full bolt on, IE, front pipe, down pipe, full exhaust, intercooler, clutch etc.. along with a ktuner e-tune . With about $6-7k you’re easily going to make 320-350whp on a car that weighs 2800-2900 pounds.

[@VQ25DETT]

Plot twist: VN is now $3K more expensive and the Si is almost gone from the inventory. GTI, I don't know I'd get it when there's a completely new gen coming in few months.

[@vasekvi]

I guess I dont understand the 4 wheel scoring system if the Si got three wheels but was number one for Todd. That being said with the Veloster only being a few grand more than the Si, I have applied that logic to the Veloster N, and got myself a Type R, which still rides as well as the Si.