How To Install A Sub Panel Next To Existing Main Panel

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@EverydayHomeRepairs
@EverydayHomeRepairs Жыл бұрын
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@CowboysKeith
@CowboysKeith Жыл бұрын
I was hopeful that I could find an estimator without having to sign up for endless solar calls and spam. Sadly, THIS is not that estimator.
@joebrooks984
@joebrooks984 7 ай бұрын
What if there is no place to put the neutral in the main panel?
@parkershaw8529
@parkershaw8529 4 ай бұрын
One question please. When you relocate those two circuits over to the new sub panel, can you just bring the hot wires over, leave the neutrals and grounds inside the main panel??
@mnrobards
@mnrobards Жыл бұрын
Great Video. Two things I would do different. Torque all of the terminations. and add some white tape on the neutral.
@EverydayHomeRepairs
@EverydayHomeRepairs Жыл бұрын
Nice additions, thanks for the feedback 👍
@markkempton4579
@markkempton4579 Жыл бұрын
I was definitely looking for the white neutral or some other indication.
@benjaminc.m.9873
@benjaminc.m.9873 Жыл бұрын
Yep! Mark those wires. I like to mark one of the lines for 240V with red tape too
@sku32956
@sku32956 Жыл бұрын
I would use a green ground screw to attach to the ground bar to the subpanel itself .
@whattheschmidt
@whattheschmidt 4 ай бұрын
@@sku32956 The green ground screw in a breaker panel is for bonding neutral and ground, which is done in the main panel, not the sub panel. (Sometimes the bond is before the "main panel" even).
@samgonzalez6859
@samgonzalez6859 2 ай бұрын
You guys are by far the best diy channel on the net. Your explanations and then the fast forward view is genius. Especially for people with limited time. Your emphasis on safety is top shelf!
@sadbuttrue343
@sadbuttrue343 Жыл бұрын
I always used cardboard that went across the lugs for extra protection. Many times had to wire hot due to customer needs. Really easy to cut a scrap piece to fit between the flanges. It's way too easy to forget about those HOT lugs.
@EverydayHomeRepairs
@EverydayHomeRepairs Жыл бұрын
Great suggestion, thanks for the feedback!
@mikejohnston179
@mikejohnston179 Жыл бұрын
I put some electrical tape over mine, as a more permanent solution.
@houseman2414
@houseman2414 Жыл бұрын
​@@EverydayHomeRepairsNewer QO and Homeline 150-225A load centers come with plastic lug covers. I don't know about the little panels like the 100-125A ones, though.
@ronald5728
@ronald5728 Жыл бұрын
I was going to suggest the same... a piece of cardboard.
@vince9486
@vince9486 Жыл бұрын
You can buy heavy duty universal lug covers at HD or Lowes
@johnvillalovos
@johnvillalovos Жыл бұрын
I would recommend using a torque wrench/driver. Current code requires it and frankly it is a good idea. I think a lot of people would be surprised on how hard it is to tighten things to the correct torque.
@m3rdpwr
@m3rdpwr Жыл бұрын
Also to wiggle the stranded main wires a bit and retorque them.
@DanielinLaTuna
@DanielinLaTuna Жыл бұрын
When I worked in a power plant, the electricians used to open each panel once a year and retorque each connection to spec. Couldn’t afford to have any circuits failing and compromising our availability to the grid
@m3rdpwr
@m3rdpwr Жыл бұрын
@@DanielinLaTuna yeah, I would imagine the heat expansion and cool shrink cycles the wires go through, could cause an issue.
@felixchien1664
@felixchien1664 Жыл бұрын
what is the torque required?
@m3rdpwr
@m3rdpwr Жыл бұрын
@@felixchien1664 I think you can usually see the torque spec on the side of the breaker itself. It can vary from manufacturer to manufacture.
@jimpie231
@jimpie231 Жыл бұрын
I did something similar n my old house, I added a 50amp breaker in a new panel, connected it with a metal conduit. Both panels were the same size so I covered everything and it had 2 doors that opened out exposing both. The doors came off the wall about 1 1/2” and across the top was a 2x4 that was about 2” higher than the panels, but far enough away, that you could connect metal conduit (code in my area) without damaging or cutting anything. I also had a dropped ceiling so anything could be easily added anywhere. In my current home I added a 50amp sub panel in the garage, before I finished the basement. The panel was added for a welder and more power in the garage. This panel was sent in like yours and a plywood cover and small door for the welder plug-in. Thanks, your video’s are always wonderful and helpful. God bless you!
@flunky14
@flunky14 Жыл бұрын
I believe it’s code to identify circuits when relocating them such as in this instance. Meaning being able to identify which neutral goes with which hot, both in the main panel and in the sub panel. This is done so that in the future if you ever need one of those circuits on either a GFCI or AFCI breaker, then you be able to do that. Don’t know the exact code article but I was looking into it a few months ago when relocating a main panel and we would put zip ties around the hot/neutral together to identify them as belonging on the same circuit.
@chrisruss7863
@chrisruss7863 Жыл бұрын
In my opinion having the hot neutral and ground coming from the same nm sheathing sufficiently identifies them, and this would apply more to an environment where conduit is used with multiple circuits in each conduit. But I haven't read the code so I'm not sure.
@donmclean1220
@donmclean1220 Жыл бұрын
But his extended wires going to the subpanel aren’t in Romex, so identifying them is a good idea.
@flunky14
@flunky14 Жыл бұрын
@@chrisruss7863 the wire he uses from the main panel to the sub panel isn’t romex, he uses thhn. There’s no easy way to identify from the sub panel which neutral belongs to which hot
@chrisruss7863
@chrisruss7863 Жыл бұрын
@donmclean1220 yes but he doesn't bring the neutral into the subpanel, only the hot. So where is he going to identify the wires if not in the main panel, where the romex enters?
@flunky14
@flunky14 Жыл бұрын
@@chrisruss7863 yes he does, in the sub panel for the branch circuits there’s very obviously 2 hot wires and 2 neutral wires. If you’re looking at the sub panel, there’s no way to easily identify which neutral belongs to which hot.
@Limitless1717
@Limitless1717 12 күн бұрын
Once again... my go-to channel for help. Thanks man. You're really good at this.
@davidgodfrey2956
@davidgodfrey2956 6 ай бұрын
Starting work on my sub panel today and this is the very video I'm using as guide. Thx for helping us all out.
@davidgodfrey2956
@davidgodfrey2956 6 ай бұрын
Scott---Finished up today and checked with multimeter just like you did yours. All good. Future proofed for mini split install. Thx again for your channel.
@pomrosellc3520
@pomrosellc3520 5 ай бұрын
@@davidgodfrey2956 NICE ONE - Congrats........
@joekagerer
@joekagerer Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this video I had a sub panel professionally installed when I bought my 60 yo house 10 years ago. I do a lot of my own single circuit stuff but this was a good primer for a panel. Not rocket science but a lot of things you need to be aware of. I will probably never do this job myself, but it was good information for me.
@EverydayHomeRepairs
@EverydayHomeRepairs Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the feedback!
@joekagerer
@joekagerer Жыл бұрын
@@EverydayHomeRepairs I've really enjoyed your videos you do a great job
@MB-ir8xf
@MB-ir8xf Жыл бұрын
In my area (Midwest) pvc conduit is illegal, splices inside the panel are not allowed.
@TheJXB1
@TheJXB1 Жыл бұрын
You make it look easy, which, I think, is the point. You instill confidence. Thank you!
@samgonzalez6859
@samgonzalez6859 2 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@erikcable1755
@erikcable1755 Жыл бұрын
Good show here, for you DIY'ers go ahead and pull a permit, costs under 200 bucks. Let the inspector sign off on your installation. keep a record for insurance coverage.
@rhtservicesllc
@rhtservicesllc Жыл бұрын
One suggestion would be to use red electrical tape and white electrical tape on the ends of the wire between the panels. This will make it easier to diagnose if there a problem with one of the hit phases and make it obvious about which wire is the neutral, since all the wires between panels are black.
@EverydayHomeRepairs
@EverydayHomeRepairs Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I agree that would have been a nice touch. Thanks for the feedback!
@houseman2414
@houseman2414 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, lack of colored tape on at least the neutral and grounds (had to run #3, so no green available) would have failed inspection here. I go one step further and use red tape on one leg and make sure I keep that on the right side of all my panels. It's easier to make sure I'm keeping things balanced between the legs that way, too.
@kcuhc84
@kcuhc84 Жыл бұрын
When you stuck your left arm into the wall cavity on the left, how did you know where to position the hole saw to meet up with the knock out on the existing panel?
@beastslayer9153
@beastslayer9153 9 ай бұрын
There was a center drill done inside the old panel. You can see it when he breaks off the hole.
@Che9009
@Che9009 9 ай бұрын
Question - I'm from a different country, but is it in american code to leave all earth wires unsleeved and exposed? Every vid I see on youtube has them exposed. Back here, we must put a sleeving over all the earthing wires. Is it hazardous to leave them exposed like that?
@kommoncents0000
@kommoncents0000 Жыл бұрын
You did a great job bringing the wires to the sub-panel. I did a similar install only I put a 14" metal access panel under the sub panel to give easier access to make future connections.
@DanielinLaTuna
@DanielinLaTuna Жыл бұрын
That’s exactly what I will do! Thanks for sharing
@kommoncents0000
@kommoncents0000 Жыл бұрын
@@DanielinLaTuna Also put a 2 x 4 piece in there about 8" from the box so you can staple the romex that comes out of the box.
@hassanbazzi3545
@hassanbazzi3545 Жыл бұрын
Knowledge is power. I know I will not attempt to diy but I have some knowledge and reference to hire a contractor. Thank you for sharing
@EverydayHomeRepairs
@EverydayHomeRepairs Жыл бұрын
💯 I am coming to the realization this is a large part of my audience that is why I am starting to work on cost estimators and maybe even a Professional referral system some time in the future. All of us are limited on time and I also hire out certain jobs around the house for various reasons.
@beastslayer9153
@beastslayer9153 9 ай бұрын
@@EverydayHomeRepairsYes, That is why I am here.
@andypaine7489
@andypaine7489 11 ай бұрын
This is a great video. I'm having a solar system installed and my electrical panel is maxed out, so this was exactly what I needed to know.
@johnhooton3286
@johnhooton3286 Жыл бұрын
I noticed your main panel had a few ground and neutral wires in the same hole . This is a no-no, neutrals have to be one per hole. Depending on panel some do allow more than one ground per hole.
@rustyclark6263
@rustyclark6263 Жыл бұрын
Good job!I've done a few of those after I retired.
@EverydayHomeRepairs
@EverydayHomeRepairs Жыл бұрын
Thx Rusty 👍
@djKenpLan09
@djKenpLan09 3 ай бұрын
I just want to say, WHAT A GREAT VIDEO! Thanks for sharing!!!!
@LordSaliss
@LordSaliss Жыл бұрын
That spacing you ended up with after cutting everything was absolutely beautiful. I know it is drastically cheaper using the parts that you did, and that is a big reason even on its own, but why not take this opportunity when needing the subpanel for solar to use a smart panel like Leviton or Span? Being able to get really accurate readings on every circuit in that subpanel is pretty useful for seeing power draw when on battery (if you have one) or from your solar directly. I like the Leviton panel personally since it both looks nice, has indicators positioned so you can see status with the panel door closed, and you can choose specific circuits to be smart and go with cheaper breakers that are not smart for other circuits you don't care about, or the potential to upgrade to a smart breaker whenever you want.
@EverydayHomeRepairs
@EverydayHomeRepairs Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I will undoubtedly be jumping into smart panels in the near future. I have been waiting a bit for the products to mature but I know my friend Joel @electricproacademy is a Big fan of SPAN 👍
@ncooty
@ncooty Жыл бұрын
The main lugs are a dissimilar metal from copper. Therefore, it's a good idea to use an oxidation inhibitor (and remember to wiggle and retighten those stranded conductors).
@AdamS-lh2ug
@AdamS-lh2ug Жыл бұрын
You would think he would know this as his best buddy is Joel from Electrical Pro Academy.
@donl1410
@donl1410 Жыл бұрын
@@AdamS-lh2ug Right...
@johnhooton3286
@johnhooton3286 Жыл бұрын
If lugs are rated CU/AL it's not required.
@jsb7546
@jsb7546 Жыл бұрын
Why wiggle and retighten them when I can crimp a ferrule on.
@jsb7546
@jsb7546 Жыл бұрын
​@John Hooton which depends on manufacture specs always always always check manufacture specs.
@ronald5728
@ronald5728 Жыл бұрын
Excellent video. One of the best diy channels out there.
@EverydayHomeRepairs
@EverydayHomeRepairs Жыл бұрын
Thanks, I appreciate the support 👍
@Swish36
@Swish36 Жыл бұрын
wow, that's it? I was expecting a lot more. Explanation was clear and concise, very easy to understand
@EverydayHomeRepairs
@EverydayHomeRepairs Жыл бұрын
For sure, happy to help!
@100vg
@100vg Жыл бұрын
You are really going at it these days. I wish I had your energy and your back and neck. 🤣 Looks like you covered all the bases. I'd be willing to do that kind of work, but it would take me a lot longer because I'd have to take breaks. That is, I have the electrical and electronics experience, but I'm not a professional electrician, and I'd also have to study all the codes to be sure it would all meet spec. Looking forward to the next one. Thanks, Scott.
@EverydayHomeRepairs
@EverydayHomeRepairs Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the feedback and the support 🙌
@Bc7833-x9n
@Bc7833-x9n Жыл бұрын
Yeah go ahead and do it yourself and if something happens like a fire because you are too cheap to pay someone who knows what they are doing your liable
@ncooty
@ncooty Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. Surprised not to see a whole-panel surge protector.
@EverydayHomeRepairs
@EverydayHomeRepairs Жыл бұрын
Yeah, that is on the list for sure 👍
@buynsell365
@buynsell365 3 ай бұрын
Great video. If I understand correctly........in the main panel the neutral and ground are bonded (meaning they are joined...so ground and neutral are the same) ..............and then on the subpanel...........you install a new bar.........to seperate the Neutral from Ground..........however both of those wires go back to the main panel.........and are screwed down to the neutral and ground bar that is bonded........................why do you sperate them if they are all connected to the same place ?
@mengchhornchhun2783
@mengchhornchhun2783 3 ай бұрын
yes you only need to bond neutral and ground on main/service panel so if there are any fault the current still be able to complete from ground that bond to the neutral and return back to the transformer (complete circuit). If you bond in your sub panel so you just create multiple path for the fault and it can be dangerous for any other equipment that connect to any outlet. I hope that would clarify for you since it took me awhile to understand that point too.
@robertgrlic6505
@robertgrlic6505 Жыл бұрын
Great video! Not certain in Canada, I believe the CEC ( Canadian Electrical Code) doesn't allow splicing inside of main panel if exiting to a different system. If any Canadian electrician can comment.
@crashd1n3r
@crashd1n3r Жыл бұрын
That is correct.
@jasonmelfi9855
@jasonmelfi9855 Жыл бұрын
Correct!
@parkershaw8529
@parkershaw8529 4 ай бұрын
If so, then what do you do to relocate those two circuits in Canada?
@vinceveltri7732
@vinceveltri7732 Жыл бұрын
Understanding the work you performed and the title of the video, but with the installation of the PVC prior to the sub-panel installation, wouldn't you want to install 2 or 3 PVC tubes into the top of the subpanel (to the ceiling of your garage) to eliminate the future task of re-opening the wall?
@fotopdo
@fotopdo 7 ай бұрын
Great video, I am rewatching this in preparation to do the same. I do want to point out that there is only ONE phase in a standard residential panel. I was confused by this for years, because people often refer to the legs as phases. During every 1/60 of a second the voltage rises to 120 on one leg and then 120 on the other. When you graph that you get a sine wave, or a single phase. To have a second phase you would need a second set of legs alternating slightly before or after, or “out of phase”. In the real world there is single and 3 phase. 3 phase power is 3 sets of legs each 120 degrees out of phase with each other. 3 phase motors are more powerful and run more smoothly because it is similar to having 3 pairs of people spinning a merry go round vs 1 pair.
@pld8993
@pld8993 7 ай бұрын
Residential systems are usually what's called split phase whereby a single phase from the power company's 3-phase is split through a transformer, providing two legs that are 120V each sharing a single neutral. Think of a two piston engine (legs) with one exhaust pipe (neutral) and you'll get the idea. However, in the field it's common to call both legs phases. Technically not correct but more like electrician field slang. Not unlike when someone checks a circuit for power; they're not, power is wattage and they're checking for voltage. But when someone asks an electrician why they don't have power, everybody knows what that means. Like any trade, electrical has its own language that non-electricians may not understand fully. When a 3-phase motor loses 1 phase, for example, we say it's single phasing. Again, trade lingo, not necessarily what's happening electrically.
@jonvanhouten4426
@jonvanhouten4426 Жыл бұрын
This video is really helpful and coming at at the right time for my project. I currently have a 100 amp main panel and need to add a subpanel to finish off my covid basement finishing project. what size sub panel can I add to my main panel. Thanks.
@johnsb1550
@johnsb1550 Жыл бұрын
I personally like the metal level that was very close to the live main lugs. That is why you should call the electric company and have the power shut off. Just curious, doesn't this need a permit and inspection for installation?
@HugDeeznueces
@HugDeeznueces Жыл бұрын
As long as it passes the smoke test, all is good!
@mikeienuso1926
@mikeienuso1926 10 ай бұрын
Hi. As usual, informative and plenty of insight. I have a 100amp Panel and will put the sub panel like yours. Those 2 breakers you took out of main and put into Sub. for the install of 100amp breaker on main. So the question is; Every New Circuit goes to the Sub. Panel? If I want to add a Split System I wire it to Sub panel. 240 Car Charger etc? Is that correct? Thanks for your time Sir. Mike ienuso.
@BobCosler
@BobCosler 2 ай бұрын
Great Video. Please clarify the need to separate neutral and ground in the subpanel. I'm having issues with tripping of GFCIs that I believe are related to this issue.
@ThisReckless
@ThisReckless 2 ай бұрын
I know they are supposed to be but if you watch towards the end I think he puts the ground into the neutral bar. It's hard to tell but yeah he does specify that.
@jayjudd6518
@jayjudd6518 Жыл бұрын
I did that years ago, in my case it was a 60 amp breaker to a 12 pole auxiliary box. I mounted it to the lower right side of the main panel and went through the side.
@Bobherry
@Bobherry Жыл бұрын
Did anyone notice he didnt mark the subpanel main neutral as a white wire but left it black like its hot
@EverydayHomeRepairs
@EverydayHomeRepairs Жыл бұрын
Yeah would be best practice to mark with some Super 35 white electrical tape, thanks for the feedback!
@donl1410
@donl1410 Жыл бұрын
@@EverydayHomeRepairs Not just best practice, it's required to identify it white.
@KameraShy
@KameraShy Жыл бұрын
The neutral feed on the main panel was not wrapped/identified as white. I was under the impression, as Don L, that this is required by code. Original electrician blew it. Electrician wrapped with white tape when my main service was upgraded years ago.
@justinforrest1613
@justinforrest1613 Жыл бұрын
Why do people watch instructional videos if they are professionals? Who can I criticize today?
@donl1410
@donl1410 Жыл бұрын
@@justinforrest1613 I post electrical information for amateur subscribers that are being misinformed or are being provided with incorrect information by other amateur experts that need to make sure of their facts before providing informational videos.
@cgutowski471
@cgutowski471 Жыл бұрын
How did you center the drill with the knockout behind the wall. Don’t think you showed that part. Only thing I could think of doing is drilling with a small bit from inside panel into center of knockout through the wood. Then put the drill bit part of the hole saw into the same from other side.
@b-hill
@b-hill 11 ай бұрын
I was wondering the same thing. He doesn't show drilling out the stud for the 1 1/2 pvc.
@brianbushay8283
@brianbushay8283 Жыл бұрын
It looks like you are working on an exterior wall so a 2 1/4 inch hole would exceed the size you can drill in a bearing wall with 2x4 studs. Also what electrical code revision are you working under and are you required to have a whole house surge protector with the panel upgrade?
@joetripp123
@joetripp123 Жыл бұрын
he did say at 3:50 that he had a double wall thickness to work with so I'm guessing there's some type of inner non load bearing wall in place.
@TomCee53
@TomCee53 Жыл бұрын
It’s interesting that 40 circuits is full without overloading the 200A main. I guess as many devices use less power it’s possible, but you should have mentioned that in the opening. Also, some main panels have sub panel feed lugs after the main breaker. Check codes and local requirements. You were lucky that the knockout in the main and sub panels fit so well with the elbow. It might be wise to check that fit. Regarding the hot main lugs, I put duct tape over them to add another later of safety. No guarantee, but better safe than sorry. Likewise gloves are good, but no guarantee.
@EverydayHomeRepairs
@EverydayHomeRepairs Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the feedback Tom 👍
@Bc7833-x9n
@Bc7833-x9n Жыл бұрын
Another guy who doesn't know what the F he's talking about. Duct tape is conductive and illegal to use
@jeffreyspence2510
@jeffreyspence2510 Жыл бұрын
The average load on a 200 amp service is 60 amps. Not even close to an overload.
@TomCee53
@TomCee53 Жыл бұрын
@@Bc7833-x9n I should have been more specific. I used non-metallized tape temporarily so that the back of my hand wouldn’t brush the contacts. As I was finishing the install, I found that the box manufacturer had provided some rubber boots to cover the main lugs. I agree that duct tape is not tested for conductivity, since it is not intended for electrical use. I might have just as well stuffed a rag over the lugs, but tape was handy, and about the right dimensions. I did mention that tape is no guarantee and not a substitute for being careful.
@TomCee53
@TomCee53 Жыл бұрын
@@jeffreyspence2510 Averages mean very little in real life, My boiler can draw up 100 amps, and my water heaters are 40A each, so on a cold day with laundry and a shower running, I’d be drawing 180A. My concern is that as we add more and more circuits, the potential for overload rises, much like the old joke… “What do you mean I’m overdrawn, I still have checks in the checkbook.” 🤓
@DavidLucBelanger
@DavidLucBelanger Жыл бұрын
I would suggest to get black, red, white and green wire next time. It's the same price per foot and you can quickly identify which wire is what.
@neftalirosado6167
@neftalirosado6167 Жыл бұрын
You no use identification plastic tape white or white paint for the neutral wire ? Is very important. National Electric Code ? Thanks!!
@manabouthome
@manabouthome Жыл бұрын
Good job on the video. I enjoy the channel. Not to throw a wet blanket on your plans, but your bus bar rating needs to be considered in this situation. NEC says (depending on pertinent factors and calculations) you may not be able to add a solar power source to that main panel... if you have a 200 Amp Main Panel, with a 200 Amp Main Circuit Breaker, and 200 Amp rated Bus Bars. For example, if you add an additional 40 Amps of solar power source, factored in @125%, your 200 Amp Main Bus can now be overloaded with 250 Amps of current. Depending on power source and other factors and considerations (i.e.- landing 100 Amp sub panel/solar feed right next to Main Breaker, vs. on the other end of the bus) and calculations, that won't pass an electrical inspection. The new sub panel bus bars will be even more limited, since it has a lower current rating (125 Amp bus with 100Amp feeder CB, plus 125% solar current). Your new sub panel is inadequate for large solar and can't be used as it is. One solution, is to upgrade the capacity of your Main Panel, with a new Main Panel of higher bus bar Amperage capacity. Another solution, is to connect your solar power source to the service side of your 200 Amp Main Breaker, between the electric meter and the Main Breaker. See the existing code that permits that. Of course everything must comply with the NEC and AHJ requirements. Here's some of the references - 705.12, 705.12 (B)(3)(1-6), 230.82(6), lots of others. Good luck!
@highvoltage1979
@highvoltage1979 Жыл бұрын
I think you may be misinterpreting that code section. For instance, that is supplying power not using power. It will be supplying power to circuits that would otherwise be supplied by the utility so to me it wouldn’t make much sense . So for instance, 40 amps at 125% is 50 amperes. I would believe that the bus bars would have to be at least rated at 50 amps. I’m just a carpenter so I’m just guessing
@manabouthome
@manabouthome Жыл бұрын
@@highvoltage1979 Yes, the solar inverter is supplying power. And the 200 Amp Service is supplying power. Together they supply more power than the bus is rated to handle. Theoretically, the bus can possibly be carrying more than 200 Amps to the connected loads. Since there's more than 200 Amps available, the Main Breaker won't trip. So the bus isn't protected from overload. What are the odds the bus could be overloaded? Doesn't really seem likely, does it? That's why NEC allows 120% of the bus rating. But, if there's a 200 Amp Main breaker, plus 50 Amps of solar, that exceeds 120% of 200 Amps by 10 Amps. That's a fail.
@highvoltage1979
@highvoltage1979 Жыл бұрын
@@manabouthome That does make sense, I didn’t look at it in that manner. Thanks
@manabouthome
@manabouthome Жыл бұрын
@@highvoltage1979 Thanks for asking. I imagine there's a lot of misunderstanding around that, until it's clearly explained. I certainly had to sit and think on it after I first learned it!
@manabouthome
@manabouthome Жыл бұрын
I should clarify here, that the 120% leeway on the busbar rating is per 705.12(B)(3)(2) "Where two sources, one a primary power source, and the other, another power source, are located at opposite ends of a busbar that contains loads, the sum of 125% of the power source's output current and the rating of the overcurrent device protecting the busbar, shall not exceed 120 percent of the ampacity of the busbar." However, due to the location of the 100A CB in this video, that doesn't apply. I think 705.12(B)(3)(1) would be applicable - "The sum of 125 percent of the power source(s) output circuit current and the rating of the overcurrent device protecting the busbar shall not exceed the ampacity of the busbar". So, the busbar rating is taken at 100% (not 120%), due to the position of the 100A CB in this case. This would make it worse than I described in the comment above.
@TheWinterfan
@TheWinterfan Жыл бұрын
Those Wago butt splices look interesting. Thanks for the tip
@dadlaponizil3687
@dadlaponizil3687 4 ай бұрын
Wow. Thank you. Your helped me get started on a similar project. Thank you! What a class act.
@EverydayHomeRepairs
@EverydayHomeRepairs 4 ай бұрын
Happy to help!
@xincai951
@xincai951 Жыл бұрын
Do you need to reduce the wire ampacity for having multiple current carrying conductors in the conduit?
@DonaldZiems
@DonaldZiems Жыл бұрын
Yes, but he's OK. The three feeders are treated as 2 (the neutral only passes the imbalanced current), plus two moved 20A circuits, so 6 wires that count for wire fill. Derate to 80% of the ampacity. 12AWG = 20A circuit. 12AWG THHN has an ampacity 25A (assuming the breakers are 75C rated), derated it's still 20A, so no problem. 2AWG has an ampacity of 115A. Derated it's now 92A. There's no such thing as a 92A breaker, so a round up to 100A is allowed.
@cowboywayne6166
@cowboywayne6166 Жыл бұрын
It's also less than 24" so most adjustments go out the window.
@marblemill
@marblemill Ай бұрын
I've got main service cables coming in from the bottom left and wrapping all the way around to the top for the main breaker. It seems the only way to work in there is to be constantly touching the service entry cables. Of course the insulation is good, but in most cases I see everyone saying to avoid any contact with them even though the insulation is fine. Thoughts?
@Your_Girl_Belen22
@Your_Girl_Belen22 Жыл бұрын
This is a great video, very well explained and very educative. This is great, keep it up bro.
@KameraShy
@KameraShy Жыл бұрын
1. One would think that manufacturers would provide plastic covers for the always hot feeder lugs instead of leaving them out in the open. 2. Is 100 amp service enough for all the heavy-draw uses planned? 3. Does code not require that neutral feeds be white wire OR black wire wrapped with white electrical tape? The installer of the original panel did not do that.
@brianerock
@brianerock Жыл бұрын
KameraShy Your 1: Covers (barriers) ARE now required for SERVICE MAIN LUGS 2017 NEC® 408.3(D), 2020, 2023 NEC® 230.62(C) and for FEEDER (WITHOUT OVERCURRENT PROTECTION) MAIN LUGS 2023 NEC® 215.15 but the covers are AVAILABLE from the manufacturers (purchased SEPARATELY); it’s the responsibility of the installer to provide.
@JaimeSslazar-rk7nm
@JaimeSslazar-rk7nm 2 ай бұрын
In a installation like that one were do you install your inlet box and braker for back up ??
@DanielinLaTuna
@DanielinLaTuna Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this video. It serves my purpose, but also the other video that you mentioned, about a remote panel, which is what I’m also planning, since only one circuit serves it, and the laundry is located there. The washer and dryer really ought to be on separate circuits, and I have a spare fridge there too, and run either a window A/C or a space heater (summer or winter options). Also I have a large lot and want to run power to the RV (30 amps), to the shop (another 30 amps), and to the spa/hot tub. Seems like those last three will be supported by one 125 amp sub.
@heroknaderi
@heroknaderi Жыл бұрын
I enjoyed it. Great job thank you for your time 👍😎
@EverydayHomeRepairs
@EverydayHomeRepairs Жыл бұрын
Happy to help!
@snakeplisken2123
@snakeplisken2123 3 ай бұрын
This was just what I was looking for. I need to add a bunch of 220v outlets in my garage. I won’t torque mine either.
@robertt8273
@robertt8273 Ай бұрын
When i added a panel, not being a pro, i covered those big terminals at the bottim if the main box to prevent any accidents/death. I do not like working around live circuits. Watching you even made my heart skip a bit.
@joshuaarellano6600
@joshuaarellano6600 Жыл бұрын
You can also use tray cable or SER to feed the sub panel. That's my preference for sure, must easier to work with.
@pratheeps26
@pratheeps26 7 ай бұрын
8:32 when installing a ground bar the paint of the mounting spot supposed to scratched off on sub panel.
@surferdude642
@surferdude642 6 ай бұрын
No, they're supposed to use electrically conductive paint.
@pld8993
@pld8993 5 ай бұрын
Not a bad idea, but not required. The bond is through the mounting screw(s).
@velocity91
@velocity91 Жыл бұрын
Great video! I will be needed to do this in the near future, as my existing panel is at capacity.
@jmcinnis621
@jmcinnis621 4 ай бұрын
Scott, basic question for projects like this where main power is OFF..... how did you setup you work area LGIHTING???? thx
@keith2498
@keith2498 Жыл бұрын
Just pure talent. I can do a ceiling fan install😂
@EverydayHomeRepairs
@EverydayHomeRepairs Жыл бұрын
Those can some times be harder than expected. Balancing everything up on a ladder is never fun. That is one of the killer applications of those WAGO lever nuts.
@Scat.original
@Scat.original Ай бұрын
Thank You for this great information Thanks Again
@SammyFender
@SammyFender Жыл бұрын
Good video. I’ve done this in my garage. Lookin forward to the solar install. I wanna do all diy
@EverydayHomeRepairs
@EverydayHomeRepairs Жыл бұрын
Me too, give me about 2 months and we will get it up and running. First system will be small-ish at about 4.5 kW to get my feet wet.
@edwardalvarado8889
@edwardalvarado8889 Жыл бұрын
Good job, your the Man, 👍👍
@EverydayHomeRepairs
@EverydayHomeRepairs Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@parkershaw8529
@parkershaw8529 4 ай бұрын
One question please: When you relocate those two circuits over to the new sub panel, can you just bring the hot wires over, leave the neutrals and grounds inside the main panel? Thanks!
@glockmaestro
@glockmaestro Жыл бұрын
Great video! Well done and very informative
@samgonzalez6859
@samgonzalez6859 3 күн бұрын
How in the world did he measure the holesaw drill location for the drilling through the 2×4?
@loganocchionero6621
@loganocchionero6621 Жыл бұрын
I think you should spend more time talking about how careful people need to be around those live lugs. It's only 240V, but if you were to short those out, it would be much more catastrophic than a standard 240V short. Because there is relatively so little wire between the transformer, and such large wire, the short circuit current available in a short circuit condition is huge compared to any other short you'd see in your house. You could easily cause an arc flash.
@mikejohnston179
@mikejohnston179 Жыл бұрын
I once bumped the bare ground wire for a range to a main feeder lug. I think it was a 6 AWG ground wire. The neutral and ground were bonded at the stove, and the neutral was already hooked up in the panel. As I was routing that ground wire...it touched a main lug, but for just a quick moment. SCARY. Nothing bad happened, other than noise, light, the wire was warm, and I needed a new change of underwear. Could have been a LOT worse!
@TOandMore
@TOandMore 8 ай бұрын
Can you do a video on permit application for this kind of subpanel installation? I'd like to add my own generator connection to subpanel for power outage. Is there subpanel with switching to connect to my own generator? Thank you.
@chrisdaley2200
@chrisdaley2200 11 ай бұрын
Your neutral feed wire to the sub panel should be white wire or identified with white tape at each end.. good video!
@thornridgefacilitiesassoci6091
@thornridgefacilitiesassoci6091 Жыл бұрын
Do you have the neutral and ground bond removed at the subpanel? Noticed you separated the grounds and neutral correctly but didn't see if the neutral / ground screw was present (should be removed).
@brettmullins751
@brettmullins751 Жыл бұрын
Great video. I enjoy all your videos
@shawn4357
@shawn4357 Ай бұрын
can I add a 100 amp panel to another 100 amp panel? And do I use a 100 amp breaker?
@dougdavis4439
@dougdavis4439 Жыл бұрын
Great information, thank you!
@EverydayHomeRepairs
@EverydayHomeRepairs Жыл бұрын
You bet!
@TrainFlood
@TrainFlood Жыл бұрын
Did you connect the 6ga ground to the ground bar in the sub panel? It looked like it was going to a neutral.
@EverydayHomeRepairs
@EverydayHomeRepairs Жыл бұрын
Yep the lug for the ground bar was on the same side a one of the two neutral bars so they look pretty close together.
@Mke3005
@Mke3005 4 ай бұрын
If you were using copper wire for your hots and neutral what size would it be, #2 is for aluminum.
@louisviciedo
@louisviciedo 4 ай бұрын
Great video as usual, regarding installing a 50a breaker on my sub panel and specifically capcity. I have a new Tesla and want to add a 50a breaker on my garage 100a sub panel. Can you confirm that this is no-no please?
@weslindsey
@weslindsey 7 ай бұрын
You make drilling that first hole, blindly, look easy. How did you locate the knockout without being able to see where you are drilling?
@Trainman0401
@Trainman0401 Жыл бұрын
Great video. Question…Do you know if a 100 amp sub panel can be used with a 60 amp breaker? I only need 60 amps but a 60 amp panel does not have enough slots for me. The 100 amp panels have plenty. Thanks!!
@MrKen59
@MrKen59 Жыл бұрын
This is a great idea but my panel is on an outside wall and a pain the butt to run wires to it. I ended up using 6/3 for 50 amp to a panel 30 feet away that is more accessible.
@wilsoneashoian5789
@wilsoneashoian5789 6 күн бұрын
Sir, how do I know how much capacity (amp) I have remaining in my electrical panel if I decide to install a level 2 Ev charger (50A)?
@mohavie2360
@mohavie2360 8 ай бұрын
wow, you made it look so easy.. one question and this might sound dumb but with the sub panel, i now can treat it like a regular panel right? could I have my generator breaker install on the sub panel instead of the main?
@ssilva717
@ssilva717 Жыл бұрын
Great video - very clear and well produced, thank you!
@michaelm3662
@michaelm3662 Жыл бұрын
Someone may have said this but adding a sub panel does not give you more capacity to add large items like a heat pump. Depending on where you live a heat pump can require over 100 amps by itself. It is always best to consult an electrician. I have seen many do-it-yourselfers almost burn down their house not understanding code and how dangerous electricity really is.
@I_Am_Bagman
@I_Am_Bagman 10 ай бұрын
You didn't mention what you torqued you load lines. What is the setting it should be torqued to?
@michaellike5037
@michaellike5037 Жыл бұрын
Lol Right on point! Always use phase tape to id conductors.
@FernandoGomez-rs2pd
@FernandoGomez-rs2pd Жыл бұрын
Great work I am currently trying to run a 60 amp sub panel from my main to shed it's around 50 ft planning underground conduit my question is what size conductors is recommended thanks for info
@JamesJones-ql3kr
@JamesJones-ql3kr Жыл бұрын
can you use Wagos with aluminum wire? And what are the wire sizes with wagos? I use them alot, really make wiring an outlet neat and clean. In an outlet, I will hot glue a multi-wire wago to the case just to keep the wire connection fixed and out of the way.
@Hunter-vb8wo
@Hunter-vb8wo 2 ай бұрын
Can the EG4 12kPV be installed without a sub panel to run the main panel? Looking to have 5600 watts of solar help out with the power bills and provide power during an outage.
@socalsand86
@socalsand86 Ай бұрын
Does the sub needs it own ground rod or when does a sub need a ground rod?
@pld8993
@pld8993 12 күн бұрын
Sub needs ground rods when it's installed on a separate structure, like a detached garage.
@JorgePerez-sg9di
@JorgePerez-sg9di Ай бұрын
Thank you for your information sr 😊
@EverydayHomeRepairs
@EverydayHomeRepairs Ай бұрын
You bet!
@ionelus111
@ionelus111 Жыл бұрын
Quick question? Why install a separate ground strip? Why not use what’s already available?
@dr.projectx5142
@dr.projectx5142 7 ай бұрын
What do I use for extending the 240v loads to a sub panel connector type?
@grafakosg
@grafakosg Жыл бұрын
Question, my existing recessed panel is in the in-house finished garage and there is a wooden studs, how would you pull the feeder cables thru the studs? Do you drill a hole in the studs and pass the wires thru? 1-1/2 conduct would be a big hole?
@bhbaker220
@bhbaker220 Жыл бұрын
Is it required by code to bring across the neutral and ground wires for the circuits you moved? Since the neutral and grounds are connected between both panels, I don’t see the need to do it.
@intrestingstuffbyspx4804
@intrestingstuffbyspx4804 2 ай бұрын
hi very informative, ...I have a bushing that got loose, and have two open knockouts that I need to be addressed, may I know how much would it cost, when reaching out on yelp people are quoting 450$. located in Hyaward, CA.
@donaldbailey5576
@donaldbailey5576 Жыл бұрын
Next up? How to add a 30 amp RV service to the outside of your house.
@EverydayHomeRepairs
@EverydayHomeRepairs Жыл бұрын
Then I would buy an RV 😂
@donaldbailey5576
@donaldbailey5576 Жыл бұрын
@@EverydayHomeRepairs You’re welcome!
@EverydayHomeRepairs
@EverydayHomeRepairs Жыл бұрын
👊😉
@GeorgeVCohea-dw7ou
@GeorgeVCohea-dw7ou Жыл бұрын
@@donaldbailey5576 Nah, go ahead and spring for the 50 amp or one of those 30 and 50 amp combos. The 50 amp can be utilised as a secondary EV charger for redundancy.
@GeorgeVCohea-dw7ou
@GeorgeVCohea-dw7ou Жыл бұрын
@@EverydayHomeRepairs RVs have their own set of DIY challenges and could be good for your channel.
@glthom1
@glthom1 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video ! Great job
@brhutchi
@brhutchi Жыл бұрын
Thanks I am also thinking about replacing gas furnaces in attic with heat pumps. Does the air handlers use 220? I currently have two 17 years old 2 ton units and two 45 btu furnace in attic. Location Georgia
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