Everyone's WRONG about the new M4 iPad Pros!

[@abrahamroberts2040]

I use the iPad M4 13” for video conferencing, browsing, note taking, and as a beautiful second monitor for my MacBook Pro - so I feel I’m experiencing a really great value.

[@JUDALATION]

you can do all that with the air...

[@abrahamroberts2040]

@@JUDALATIONtrue, but Air is not OLED. I really like oled screens

[@johnz4412]

Best perspective of iPads overall I've yet heard!

[@stuartconlon7492]

There was no reduction in speakers from 5 to 4, that was the microphone…

[@MidnightHozz]

Great point about the chipset and the thermals. I tested the 10th gen iPad and the 2024 Pro and Air models, all 11". Most people should just buy the 10th gen iPad. $325 on Amazon...it's a steal relative to the competition. I think the Pro was $950 and the Air $550. That said when you use them all side by side, if you can afford it, you'll end up buying the Pro for the screen alone. Once you see it you can't unsee it. For reference, I am 51 with once perfect and now failing vision who can't tell the difference between 720P and 1080P on my 75" Samsung while sitting on the couch. Only a blind person would not be blown away by this screen. As for the M4...it's overkill for anyone not content creating. And it will be overkill still when Apple EOLs it 6 years from now or whatever their schedule is.

[@DigiDriftZone]

Also, a little note about the M3 vs M4, the M3 actually uses a much more expensive manufacturing process with much lower yields that has advantages over the M4 when it comes to higher core counts like the Max. So this was a cost decision by Apple :) - but as it also performs better on the low core count chips, it's a bit of a win win for everyone.

[@VKTR_Tech]

Yes!!!!! Also something I didn't mention in the video, but honestly it puzzles me why Apple released the M3 MBA just 1 month before the iPad Pro. They really must have wanted the iPad to steal the spotlight in order to release new MBAs with a hotter, less efficient processor.

[@message22610]

This is probably the best review of seen so far on the iPad. Everything you say makes complete sense I think people are expecting that washing machine.😂

[@DigiDriftZone]

I just bought a 12.9" M1 just because a 512gb+5g is 1/3 of the price of an M4 equivalent (£570 vs £1700), that's just insane value. Plus it's more durable and the speakers sound better (to me anyway). The MiniLED 120hz display also holds up very well, while not as nice as the new OLED, it's a lot nicer than the 11" display of the previous pro or the display on the air. Overall I'm happy with the purchase but I totally agree with you that it is heavy. While having something thinner/lighter would be nice, I find the biggest issue is the 4:3 aspect ratio and size makes it very awkward to type on or reach across the screen with your thumb while holding it. But then on the 11" stage manager is near unusable and you lose quite a lot in terms of ability to multitask.

[@VKTR_Tech]

I had to cut some parts out of the video because it was waaaaaay too long but in my original take I mentioned that getting a refurbished M1 was much better value than the new M4 or the M2 Air overall. Because I had 2 12.9 inch pros I eventually realized the size made it less easy to use for me, so trying out the 11" was both awesome and challenging, because I do miss the extra screen real estate, but at the same time it just felt better and wasn't as awkward to use in a wider variety of scenarios.

[@DigiDriftZone]

@@VKTR_Tech yeh I think overall 11” probably makes more sense from a tablet experience perspective but multitasking is challenging. Have you found stage manager useful on the 11” or do you just use the split screen? I’m quite enjoying the 12.9” in some ways but also grab my iPad mini just as often :)

[@VKTR_Tech]

​@@DigiDriftZone I find stage manager too chaotic, Apple needs to work hard on improving it, I currently prefer to use split screen and slide-over. I'm glad you're enjoying your device! And yeah if you have a mini as well you can basically have the best of both worlds.

[@DigiDriftZone]

@@VKTR_Tech I find Stage Manager unusable on Macbook and iPad 11" (and it's just as well it is not available on the mini). On the 12.9" I do have mixed feelings after a week of using it. I still prefer it to slide over / split screen as you can have a chat app that doesn't take up the entire vertical space for example. I agree it needs a lot of work and some apps don't function as you would expect. It still feels half baked 3 years after release.

[@charleslennonbaker]

Dude, you read my mind! I just posted every complaint I have about the iPad. It's freaky but informative.

[@pocho015]

This is one of the most refreshing takes I've heard out there from all the other tech youtubers, and I've watched close to 20 hours of reviews on the M4 iPads, you get it.

[@xdgs567z]

I totally agree, Ipad is made for Ipad stuff like watch videos, reading, writing, drawing, checking email....I will buy the Ipad but I will not fork over $300 for a keyboard to make it a laptop....I will use it only for Ipad stuff....so what I want most in an Ipad is the compact size, light weight, face id, promotion, and processor to make switching between apps and scrolling snappier..

[@harumi48]

Hi I think u made very good points and I would like to ask Should I buy it for games and videos? I am worried since I heard u saying it would throttle, cuz it has no fan, no good cooling Does it lagg? Or just get warm And how big are the black bars on videos?

[@VKTR_Tech]

Hi! I think you'll love gaming and watching videos on it. The M4 was made to be more efficient than the M2, and all iPad games were specifically made for the device, so you'll likely never notice a drop in performance. When I mentioned it doesn't have a fan I meant that if it ran macOS and all of its apps there would definitely be some throttling under heavier workloads, since those apps were made with traditional computers in mind. Watching videos is great on the OLED screen. On the 11" the black bars are not that big because it has a wider aspect ratio, but on the 13", since it's closer to a 4:3 aspect ratio, there are some considerable black borders. At least those pixels are completely turned off...

[@harumi48]

@@VKTR_Tech better than on s9 ultra?

[@VKTR_Tech]

⁠for sure, the M4 is a much better processor and games are naturally more optimized

[@manazon6945]

is it durable? will it bend and damage easily ? thats the only factor stopping me from purchasing it.

[@fahrai4983]

Living with mine for 6 weeks, no blemishes, no bends, I don’t use a case. I *do* use a screen protector technically - mine came in yesterday and I’ve been using it “naked” with nothing but the magic keyboard, it’s fine. I carry it in my backpack every day for work. You can bend anything with enough force. It’s a $1000 device at start, just don’t people’s elbow it and you’re probably fine.

[@mattadonis]

Great critique. I'd completely agree with you if not for the fact that Apple forces consumers to buy the 1TB model if they want the nano texture option. What artist needs a minimum 1TB of space in order to take advantage of the best screen and textured surface? It costs an additional USD 600 to upgrade from 256GB to 1TB too - the cost of a new iPad Air.

[@football_prediction]

Best review ever Solid review What did you expect iPad Did you expect washing machine 😂😂😂🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@HumperMKB]

Thank you I am also in the iPad as a tablet camp And as such The new camera location is a real nuisance As my natural hand position blocks faceID

[@mkleng]

Finally someone who can see why we DON’T NEED macOS in an iPad! I’ve been using the iPad for what it is for years and it works fine, most of the time, replacing stuff I do on my MacBook. I suspect those who want macOS on iPad are mostly somewhat Windows and Android fanboys, who don’t really use the iPad deeply enough to know what it is capable of.

[@medounelo4417]

Finally… I don’t want my iPad to be a MacBook plus I have a MacBook. The day the MacBook dies maybe they can switch the iPad os

[@lifextech]

I love 11 inch ipad, and skip 13 inch ipad review 😂😅

[@parrisbrown501]

Great points add video.

[@StreetSmartification]

I broke my ipad pro m1 thats why chose to go with this new m4 13

[@coxyjmz]

All they have to do is a dual boot operating system, like windows and android have over 10 years ago

[@housepianist]

Here’s the dilemma - iPads, Macs, iPhones, Apple Watch, and similar products from Android and Microsoft: They are ALL computers by definition. They have processors of every kind, RAM, storage, and some kind of OS. They perform specific tasks when aksed of them. They are ALL computers. The problem that messes up everything is how society has created many different definitions of this idea of what a computer is, and then ranks them as to what is and isn’t a computer. And then that gets broken down even further into hybridizations. The most common one, and the one that is the most problematic, is defining a computer based on its ability to perform specific tasks. In other words, MANY people believe that the more “professional” tasks a device can perform, the more it’s defined as a computer, and the less (“more casual?”) tasks a device can perform, the less it’s defined as a computer. This…is total BS. For the most part, structurally and functionally, a computer is a computer is a computer. They are designed to do “computer things” at different levels of performance and complexity. Since the topic of this video is about the iPad Pro, this device does exactly what it can do to various levels. The Macbook does exactly what it can do to various levels. Just because one kind of device can do some things better than another doesn’t mean that the latter is “not a computer”. I sometimes cringe every time I hear someone say that putting MacOS on a iPad Pro will make it a “computer’. I mean that’s “professional”, right? 🤦‍♂️. We have to stop defining these things based on our own personal biases. Someone who makes a living processing Word docs on an entry-level iPad 10 is a professional. Someone who makes a living doing CAD work on a loaded Macbook Pro is a professional. Why do we have categorize one as more “pro” than another? It’s not a matter of being “better or worse” that defines what a computer is - or what a professional is. Seems that very, very few people can grasp this concept.

[@VKTR_Tech]

I couldn't have said it better myself. Most reviews we watch, naturally, come from video creators/editors, so they think a computer is what works well for *those* tasks. Many of them are completely oblivious to the pros and cons of the iPad for many workflows. For example, I rely on Excel and Powerpoint for 90% of my work, and the iPad version of those apps are incredibly limited (no pivot tables or auto-object alignment), to the point that it would take me 5 hours to do something on the iPad compared to 1 hour on Windows or macOS, the same way that I'm sure there are workflows that are actually much faster on the iPad compared to a laptop. Different computers, for different needs, for different people.

[@mipad553]

Can you boot windows in it

[@Randomguy279l]

Dumbass it’s an apple product

[@Sozialkompetenz]

Since the day the first MacBook has been introduced with its crappy Motorola Chip, they’ve been complaining about this and that. This will never end.

[@RuralSquirrelJuror]

There was no point to that sound test

[@VKTR_Tech]

You are not wrong, sorry hahah, probably should have used footage playing it side by side with my MBA

[@gunjyouwata4687]

同じ考えです。

[@IIODINII]

People are comparing it to MacBooks because of how apple markets it as “ computer “ or what a computer famous ad

[@maicholor2849]

You didn’t get the thinness of both version quite right, it’s 5.0mm for the 13” and 5.1mm for the 11”!

[@wakkowarner9522]

if it was never meant to be anything more than a tablet, then why put a desktop processor in it? makes no sense

[@zimbasexy1]

you do realize every smart phone now has desktop processors in them right? so why don't you go ahead and use it your phone as a laptop🙄🤦🏿‍♂️

[@SmurfandTurf97]

If the iPad is heavy hit the weights 😂

[@johnshepherd2666]

Good presentation & ideas ..with few cut-aways to stock footage...😂 .........11" ...really ......go for the extra 2inches..........the speakers on a tablet are not meant "to fill a room" .....just Bluetooth a Bose or Sonos speaker when you are home...😅😅😅

[@MrWelin-we7rn]

i think this is the problem. no one, not even apple, knows what an ipad is suppose to be, so everyone adds their own expectations on this device. It delivers and excels on many points - especially in area of confusion. I am not a content creator, and I am buying an ipad pro - because I want it to work for me.

[@VKTR_Tech]

Yeah I agree that Apple seems kind of lost regarding finding the purpose of their "newer" releases, they just kind of wait and see what people do with the device and try to add features to enhance whatever that is.

[@Michael-ur5qb]

I think people are confused about what an IPad is not Apple. The IPad is for mobile computing. Also, people seem to think a device is useless because it can’t edit multiple threads of 4k. Meanwhile, a few years ago laptops couldn’t edit any 4k video. I didn’t see people accusing laptops of being useless. Technology is all about use case. Maybe your use case doesn’t work with IPad but for people who are only consuming media, email and maybe typing a simple word doc or simple excel or PowerPoint there is no reason an IPad can’t do it.

[@ianclarke4660]

An interesting take on the range of computers supplied by apple. A lot of reviews are looking at the M4 chip being used to do more tasks. I hadn’t thought about the fan and heat side of scenario re using an ipad as a laptop. Thanks for the alternative view.

[@dukeon]

I actually use my M1 iPad 12.9” more than I use my iPhone and iMac combined. I older and don’t need to go anywhere to work - I’m a homebody, and I enjoy it. As you said the iPad is a great device for *consuming* and some light creating. I watch KZbin, TV shows, surf the web, play games, read the NY Times and play the crossword puzzle and Wordle, I answer calls on it, listen to music on it (alone or paired to headphones), I text, email, outline ideas for my writing, take notes, and much more! The screen looks great and is a good size for doing all that stuff. I will probably upgrade my iPhone soon and get around to replacing my iMac 27” with a MacBook Pro and a badass monitor, keyboard and mouse so I can have the full Mac experience when I want it. But honestly, sitting in my chair, on the sofa, or in bed…I’ll probably always be an iPad Pro guy. It just fits my interests and my lifestyle the best. Thanks for the video!

[@Mnour94]

I agree with your prospective on iPad and I've always thought of it like that, whoever buys it should know that he will resort to his PC at some tasks but for most of the casual use, the iPad is a great device, the only thing we needed was a bigger battery, much more than a lighter device, even if the ,13" was heavy, if u needed something to hold with your hands u could've gone with the 11"

[@cakirtanmehta3516]

Okay you have a different perspective of it. But I am one of them who uses the iPad only model. I don’t have a mac in any form since I only had the budget to take one and leave another so I thought of buying an iPad Pro 11 inch M1 and am using it since more than 2.5 years. In my profession I could do everything I could on a mac on my iPad. That is how professionally viable is the software and hardware designed but still just coz of the workarounds that I experience daily, I would have been better off the mac then an iPad. For such users like me, I would say, we need the macOS like features for the day to day use. They placed it right in between the mac and iPhone. But made the pro max version of iPhone a better product for content consumption and MacBook Air has no fan and has the same chip and has better user interface than the iPad. They made the iPad have a pencil and a keyboard. This makes us more productive by letting us write tonnes of notes saving 1000s of kilos of paper. They made it support the external monitor thus adding more utility to the overall experience. Now it is no longer just a content machine that you are putting into perspective. There are a plethora of work apps which I use daily which are available for both mac and iPad and equally compatible. Just a tad bit of fine tuning required and completely not available on Samsung products. Why can’t they make the os mac like. Both products would still co-exist. Just that the price would become even more justifiable and more people would join their ecosystem

[@FilipinoInAustralia]

I’m studying Business Admin Cert 3.. I’m frustrated that the MS Word app doesn’t have complete features on iPad.. I hate Windows computer.. so I’m thinking of getting a Macbook Air M3😭

[@VKTR_Tech]

YES! MS Office on iPad is pathetic, Microsoft is making no effort on improving it. If you use the web version through Safari you actually have access to most of the features, it's way better than the app. However I do think you'll be better off with the MacBook so that you never have to worry about not being able to use a certain feature.

[@Johnov]

There are many things I agree with in your video, but there are some parts that I don't. Apple embraces the modularity of the iPad. As someone who accepted my iPad Pro with Magic Keyboard as a “laptop alternative,” I was pleasantly surprised that I could legitimately and effectively replace my specific use case for my MacBook after iOS 17. The major perk of this setup is that I only have to carry the iPad with me and can unattach the keyboard when I need it as a super tablet. The combination of the M4 iPad Pro 13 with the Magic Keyboard is now almost the same weight as a MacBook Air. I doubt that's a coincidence. The iPad Pro M4 with the keyboard can handle most light, medium, and even some heavy computer work effectively, but some tasks are frustratingly held back due to seemingly fixable issues in iPadOS. I believe it is safe to say that Apple supports and even advertises overlaps between the iPad, iPhone, and MacBook, as long as they can't completely replace each other.

[@VKTR_Tech]

I do think it can be a laptop alternative, just not a replacement. Many people can probably get work done on the iPad, but I just don't feel like it's the best productivity tool for most. For digital art it's great, some *light* photo and video editing as well, taking notes, etc... But even for "basic" admin tasks, MS Office for iPad is ridiculously limited. Photoshop for iPad lacks over 50% of the features, and most iPad counterparts to Mac/Windows apps fall behind, even Final Cut Pro and Davinci Resolve are still so much better on the Mac. I think the iPad has a lot of potential, but it only shines when developers put effort into making the best out of its form factor and capabilities, finding new ways to achieve the same results, more intuitive ways, iPad ways. But that takes time, money and a lot of dedication. Unfortunately by the time developers make really Pro apps for the iPad the right way, it will probably have been replaced already by something like the Vision Pro. I mean, think how long it took web developers to replace Adobe Flash for online videos and games, it took at least 5 years for most video platforms to work on the iPad's Safari. The transition time sucked, but now we're all better off without it. I don't think using an iPad as their main computer is worth the frustration for most people.

[@_basedperry]

Everyone who has this mindset conveniently misses 2 things: 1. The iPad Pro’s have desktop chips & are priced like laptops. 2. Their direct competitors (Samsung Tabs) have desktop functionality via DEX. & regardless of how good/bad it is, they give their users the choice of how they want to use their $1000+ tablets.

[@VKTR_Tech]

Just because they're priced like laptops, doesn't mean they should be thought of as laptop replacements. I mean, price is pretty relative. They're also priced like iPhones, the 11" Pro costs the same as the iPhone 15 Pro and the 13" Pro costs just $100 more than the 15 Pro Max. The 13" iPad Air costs the same as the Apple Watch Ultra, so... should we think about iPads as iPhone replacements or Apple Watch replacements? Not really... If you think about it, the new iPad Pros could be considered Apple's best *monitor* replacements, since they have *better* displays than Apple's $5000 Pro Display XDR (sans-stand)!!!!!! If you look at it from that perspective they're actually a bargain! (And yes they could be considered monitors because you can either use Side car or just get a capture card and connect HDMI or USB-C to them and use a third party app and voilà, you just saved $4000).

[@_basedperry]

@@VKTR_Tech Apple advertised them as Laptop replacements for years. Specifically the iPad Pro. They don’t get to walk that back now that they realized it would demolish their bottom line in the Mac sector. Those “what’s a laptop” ads still affect the way the iPad is viewed today. As far as iPhones go, are the pro models too expensive? Maybe, but the iPhone fills a unique product category that doesn’t run into anything else. The only iPad that comes close is the mini, which some people have used as a iPhone replacement due to its pocket ability. Comparing an iPad to an Apple Watch is lazy, completely different product category, completely different consumer base. The fact is, most people who buy a $1000 tablet would only benefit from more personal computer like functionality & it’s weird that people defend apples reluctance to give it some. Especially when even the air is underutilized by the current version of iPad OS. At the very least there should be a native solution that allows me to virtually control my Mac while away from it. Not over the same network, I’m talking me being at a Starbucks, pulling up my Mac to work on something I left behind using my cellular network.

[@NeuroPete]

Thanks for this very interesting perspective. I just bought an iPad M4 Pro that costed five times as much as the android tablet it replaced. I’m trying to justify to myself why I paid so much. Most other reviewers are whining about the lack of laptop features in a device that costs as much as a laptop/desktop. I can sympathize with this, as it would be nice to have one device that could function as a tablet when you need portability and the touchscreen, then as a desktop when you need to take advantage of a full screen and keyboard. Maybe someday there’ll be one MacOS where you could simply switch between tablet and desktop modes. Microsoft Windows has something like this, though I can’t say that I like it very much. I have a touchscreen Windows laptop, which I found to be a miserable failure as a tablet - big and clunky, with lousy battery, life, and loud fan. For now, I only need the iPad to be a tablet. I have a MacBook Pro M1 Max that I use for music production and for other tasks that benefit from a larger screen and multiple windows and files. iPad OS is just not well suited for some types of work. But after using my iPad for less than a week, I can say I’m finding it to be a brilliant tablet - much better than the android. I’m also glad that I got the Magic Keyboard, as I don’t like typing on the screen for emails, notes and such (including KZbin comments 😊), though I am using the excellent dictation feature more and more. Also, I am finding the keyboard controls and shortcuts very nice, as I am used to them from the MacBook.

[@stevenjohnson8736]

I see u spending your social security check on that iPad Pro M4

[@NeuroPete]

@@stevenjohnson8736 I’m not collecting Social Security yet. I had money saved up a few years ago. Was only waiting for the new iPad to come out. The more I use it, the happier I am about spending the extra money.

[@sth4964]

2 minutes -> 4 instead of 5 speakers....-> BOT! 4 instead of 5 microphones! and I was out. Typical "quickly produce content with an iPad" rubbish! No research, just nonsense!