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Stelena Aesthetic

Stelena Aesthetic

2 жыл бұрын

#stelena
#elenagilbert
#stefansalvatore
#paulwesley
#ninadobrev
#thevampirediaries
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@stelenaaesthetic2009
@stelenaaesthetic2009 2 жыл бұрын
Since my 'Everyone shipping Stelena' which I made 8 months ago get blocked.WMG blocked it which is actually based on fake copyright claim.That is really broke my heart because I spent so many hours to make it. Anyways!!! I made this one. Thank you!
@gentleheart7107
@gentleheart7107 2 жыл бұрын
Was it KZbin algorirthm or some "good buddy"?
@stelenaaesthetic2009
@stelenaaesthetic2009 2 жыл бұрын
@@gentleheart7107 WMG blocked it.... It was actually a false copyright because I didn't add any song that belongs to WMG..
@sumaiyamiah4490
@sumaiyamiah4490 2 жыл бұрын
@@stelenaaesthetic2009 Can you please make a Stelena edit with the song All We Are by Matt Nathanson. Stefan and Elena danced to this song in season 1 and it's beautiful.
@themocking.jay_
@themocking.jay_ Жыл бұрын
Im sorry :( that’s so annoying
@cleveranyway6066
@cleveranyway6066 2 жыл бұрын
The fact that the three biggest villains of the entire series Katherine , Klaus and Kai chose Stefan over Damon for Elena lol that says a lot
@faizaahmed9784
@faizaahmed9784 2 жыл бұрын
How did you read my mind!!🌙🙌🏻
@yumnaamjad2637
@yumnaamjad2637 2 жыл бұрын
U forgot silas
@maryalicesawesomevids
@maryalicesawesomevids 2 жыл бұрын
Lol
@sudhathakur798
@sudhathakur798 2 жыл бұрын
*that
@stefanstojoski4572
@stefanstojoski4572 2 жыл бұрын
I mean if klaus says that stefan is the better man that what more do you want
@erinaethila9736
@erinaethila9736 2 жыл бұрын
The fact that this ship had a fanbase in the show itself speaks volumes. I wish I could stake Damon tbh
@utsabasu7499
@utsabasu7499 2 жыл бұрын
Preach yo! Facts!
@tir6969
@tir6969 2 жыл бұрын
Same tbh
@outcastpov9366
@outcastpov9366 Жыл бұрын
Stefan himself doesn't count, neither does Caroline because she ended up marrying Stefan
@leahhumphreys5338
@leahhumphreys5338 Жыл бұрын
I'll help
@YOU_ARE_YOUR_ONLY_1
@YOU_ARE_YOUR_ONLY_1 10 ай бұрын
SAME BRO
@ArwenMidnightSun85
@ArwenMidnightSun85 2 жыл бұрын
This should be called "Everyone know Stelena are endgame soulmates for 8 seasons straight, even Damon that doesn't just want to admit it because the writers are idiots :D"
@giuliabonechi1864
@giuliabonechi1864 Жыл бұрын
That would’ve been perfect, but it seemed a little too long ahahaha
@mikeali3254
@mikeali3254 10 ай бұрын
The writers and the producers are idiots like evry STELENA scene even when they were apart were better than any Delena scene.
@maraigal1196
@maraigal1196 7 ай бұрын
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
@andreeastoica1999
@andreeastoica1999 2 жыл бұрын
I was so happy when I found out Nina shipped Stelena too
@minaerina
@minaerina Жыл бұрын
That's obvious lmao, Preferring Stelena is a TASTE. Nina even called Delena as "Toxic"
@andreeastoica1999
@andreeastoica1999 Жыл бұрын
@@minaerina Well,it's true😂
@louanarose
@louanarose Жыл бұрын
When Klaus Said “oh he’s desperate” i lost it 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@knowledgegathererdraftsave1979
@knowledgegathererdraftsave1979 2 жыл бұрын
Stelena *Always and FOREVER* ❤️💗😍🥰😘 Honestly, everyone showed a lot more love and support for Elena and Stefan than Elena and Damon; nearly everyone said they had no chance and were nothing compared to Stelena: I’m one of them. Stefan never loved anyone like he loved Elena and he never stopped loving her or moved on - Caroline deserved better than Stefan because they were only paired up to expand their romance storylines because Nina left after season 6 and Klaus left after season 4 and the Originals spin off started. I was die-hard Klaroline They were *EPIC* Like Klaus said: *Well crazy or not, that kind of LOVE NEVER DIES*
@shinzouwosasageyo2785
@shinzouwosasageyo2785 2 жыл бұрын
Elena didn't deserve Stefan imo but they were extremely adorable together.
@stelenaaesthetic2009
@stelenaaesthetic2009 2 жыл бұрын
She deserved Stefan just as much as Stefan deserved Elena.
@shinzouwosasageyo2785
@shinzouwosasageyo2785 2 жыл бұрын
@@stelenaaesthetic2009 Not after she cheated on him with his brother. I truly believed they came into each other's lives to make each other stronger and better people and they did so. But it broke my heart to see Stefan heartbroken. I guess I'm a more Stefan fan than Elena
@anyabajaj07
@anyabajaj07 2 жыл бұрын
@@stelenaaesthetic2009 human Elena deserved Stefan, Vampire Elena didn't(It's just my opinion, yours can vary)
@agusparodithoben591
@agusparodithoben591 2 жыл бұрын
It was wrong, yes, but she risked her life for him, in season 1, and in season two she gave him her blood, and she was also the only one who did not lose hope in him in season 3 when he has no humanity was the the only one who fought for everyone and the car, and she was also the first person who accepted it, and in season 6 she is the one who has the idea of ​​bringing lily so that stefan recovers his humanity, and she also died for him in sacrifice.
@aaliyahgriffin781
@aaliyahgriffin781 2 жыл бұрын
@@shinzouwosasageyo2785 a death bed kiss isn’t cheating though
@Debangi
@Debangi 2 жыл бұрын
Stelena always and forever ♾️ Paul Ian and Nina ships Stelena in real life. What more do we need ❤️
@user-dk8xt4ff2u
@user-dk8xt4ff2u 6 ай бұрын
I love that Calorine and Klaus are the biggest stelana shippers
@trustfratedinfires6325
@trustfratedinfires6325 Жыл бұрын
Zero to no one supported Delena. They just got used to it over time. I've never seen Stefan so happy with some than when he was with Elena. Not even Caroline. And I've never seen Stefan so heartbroken and lost for so long then when Elena shattered his heart. Like he was lost. He found his way back through the help and of Caroline but he never loved her the way he loved Elena.
@YBNJCGS
@YBNJCGS Ай бұрын
Typeshii😢❤
@agusparodithoben591
@agusparodithoben591 2 жыл бұрын
Literally every TVD character, including Kai and Matt, sent Stelena in the series, they all sent Stelena, and who sent Delena? Nobody literally NOBODY.
@trustfratedinfires6325
@trustfratedinfires6325 Жыл бұрын
Rose did but I'm not sure if she counts because Damon and her were just starting their own relationship when she... You know 💀⚰️
@giuliabonechi1864
@giuliabonechi1864 Жыл бұрын
@@trustfratedinfires6325and probably Alaric
@trustfratedinfires6325
@trustfratedinfires6325 Жыл бұрын
@@giuliabonechi1864 yeah, him too. I think it was more of him being supportive than actually liking them though. Remember when he saw them getting closer a d told damon to stop it an damon got annoyed with it and snapped his neck. A very pissed Alaric woke up from that.
@yumnaamjad2637
@yumnaamjad2637 2 жыл бұрын
The whole universe shipped Stelena
@outcastpov9366
@outcastpov9366 Жыл бұрын
The whole omniverse shipped Delena. That includes God himself because that's why Delena was endgame 😁
@samira5693
@samira5693 Жыл бұрын
@@outcastpov9366 shut up, God shipped them ? are you f crazy ? just watch the show and you can see every1 shipped stelena like : Caroline, Klaus, Jenna, Alaric Jeremy, Katherine, Rebekah, Kai, Enzo…
@outcastpov9366
@outcastpov9366 Жыл бұрын
@samira5693 none of them measure up to God. Especially since I mean the God in our universe not Tvd. Maybe in a way they're the same thing tho
@yusufraage8554
@yusufraage8554 Жыл бұрын
@@outcastpov9366 The only one that shipped delena was the sirebond, human Elena would never go for Damon.
@outcastpov9366
@outcastpov9366 Жыл бұрын
@@yusufraage8554 the sirebond along with the whole omniverse
@jamaimapaquibot2708
@jamaimapaquibot2708 Жыл бұрын
It sucks...that Stelena ended their epic love pointless and meaningless....you see,they've been through a lot esp. For Stefan...the love he gave to her even if many times she ripped his heart but he still choosed to hold on...to think she cheated...😭😭😭
@yusufraage8554
@yusufraage8554 Жыл бұрын
Elena was sired to Damon, she didnt chose him because a vampire that is sired to another has no free will. season 1 to 3 Elena was human it was always Stefan but when she turns vampire she starts to lust after Damon.
@adyasikhadutta4417
@adyasikhadutta4417 2 жыл бұрын
Every character got the point that Stefan>>>>Damon, only silly Elena, girl she messed up her life by her own decisions... And Caroline, she the biggest stelena fan 💝 & Katherine she speaks facts💯💯 Also Damon saying "because you know Stefan & I would choose her over you everytime" to Katherine, like seriously isn't he the one who spent 145 years or something searching Katherine. He is such a hypocrite & a devilish person.
@Seoyeaji921
@Seoyeaji921 2 жыл бұрын
Offcourse devilish person like klaus.
@Seoyeaji921
@Seoyeaji921 Жыл бұрын
Damon is not devilish for god's sake
@YOU_ARE_YOUR_ONLY_1
@YOU_ARE_YOUR_ONLY_1 10 ай бұрын
Exactly
@atreq
@atreq 10 ай бұрын
I want a re-run of this show WITH STELENA AS ENDGAME
@ryry3944
@ryry3944 Жыл бұрын
If Klaus ships it you know it’s right 🫶
@aishahamma334
@aishahamma334 8 ай бұрын
Because when he compelled stefan to bite elena he actually managed to resist his compulsion. He did say the only thing stronger than your hunger for blood is your love for this 1 girl
@Debangi
@Debangi Жыл бұрын
Stefan's love for his brother, and Damon's selfishness ruined this happy relationship
@AlwaysMystic-fe2xg
@AlwaysMystic-fe2xg 3 ай бұрын
"Then she became an undead blood vacuum, stopped caring about right and wrong and started dating the bad one." Please I love Kai 😂
@breezyphontain9686
@breezyphontain9686 2 жыл бұрын
You know looking back at this l feel like Klaus sent his hybrids off only because when he compelled Stefan he realized how much Stefan loved elena and he didn't want Stefan to do something he would regret.
@danteferraro23
@danteferraro23 2 ай бұрын
2:37 literally the truth
@danteferraro23
@danteferraro23 6 күн бұрын
that scene made me laugh because its the truth and clearly hurt damon HAHAHA SILAS CALLED THEM OUT
@andyrmz02
@andyrmz02 2 жыл бұрын
literally no character trully supported delena, only Stefan at some point but because he believed she helped him be a better man (which he wasn’t to my opinion but well), he chose to be happy for his brother but meh
@karinpetersen1698
@karinpetersen1698 2 жыл бұрын
Damon was never a better man with elena. You are right. But stefan loved damon so much he forgave damon. Eventhough damon never apologized for breaking stefans heart
@anyabajaj07
@anyabajaj07 Ай бұрын
@@karinpetersen1698 Damon literally killed Elena's closest friend in college other than Caroline just because she broke up with him, I don't really think that makes him the better man, especially since he knew it would hurt her a lot. He was also going around killing off an entire bloodline which he continued while he was with Elena. The only thing he stopped doing was compelling women to sleep with him or date him ( basically SA'ing them)
@jordanchay9146
@jordanchay9146 Жыл бұрын
That kind of love never dies 😅😭
@Taylorgracieolivia
@Taylorgracieolivia Жыл бұрын
Stelena forever delena was toxic as hell and stelena was amazing and pure and beautiful and honestly thinking about the fact that delena was the endgame makes me more mad then sad like why did they make them the endgame they were honestly so annoying
@andreeastoica1999
@andreeastoica1999 Жыл бұрын
True.
@Taylorgracieolivia
@Taylorgracieolivia Жыл бұрын
@@andreeastoica1999 so love your pfp
@andreeastoica1999
@andreeastoica1999 Жыл бұрын
@@Taylorgracieolivia Thanks😊
@andreeastoica1999
@andreeastoica1999 Жыл бұрын
@@Taylorgracieolivia Do you also ship Harry and Hermione?
@Taylorgracieolivia
@Taylorgracieolivia Жыл бұрын
@@andreeastoica1999 yeah I just feel like they had more chemistry and there bind was stronger but so watched Harry Potter at a very young age so I never got to into Harry Potter ships but I just feel like they were better ( my opinion)
@stefanobsessed1846
@stefanobsessed1846 2 жыл бұрын
Don't worry Love, you rocked it ❤️❤️❤️
@stefansalvatore8991
@stefansalvatore8991 2 жыл бұрын
Your comment section is always disabled Just wanna say you always nail it 👍🏻
@minaerina
@minaerina Жыл бұрын
​@@stefansalvatore8991 SO TRUE
@nexlim2799
@nexlim2799 Жыл бұрын
TVD’s storyline was so so much better with the originals and when the story revolves around stelena. I remember giving up watching when stelena was over but the originals and klaus❤️caroline was the reason i kept watching the show. And when they’re gone And made their own show that’s when I just stopped.
@lanareyslemonade
@lanareyslemonade 2 жыл бұрын
enzo’s part sent me💀
@yejihwang6199
@yejihwang6199 Жыл бұрын
"honestly, i'm not gonna be one of those pathetic girls whose world stops spinning because of some guy" hum... okay
@hannahleeh1326
@hannahleeh1326 7 ай бұрын
Lmao fr
@atwoodsmariano
@atwoodsmariano 2 жыл бұрын
lol the whole scene with Aunt Jenna
@erikita2095
@erikita2095 Жыл бұрын
LMFAOO THE CUT OFF ENDING IS PRECIOUS
@superduper5949
@superduper5949 Жыл бұрын
The ONLY reason Damon and Elena got together is bcoz of the stupid Delena fangirls
@yusufraage8554
@yusufraage8554 Жыл бұрын
Delena happend because of the sirebond and they were endgame because Nina left the show.
@hannahleeh1326
@hannahleeh1326 7 ай бұрын
More like because Nina and Ian got together and delena only was endgame because Nina left the show
@litfilms_7
@litfilms_7 2 жыл бұрын
Lmao, poor Caroline…she deserved someone who would put her first
@erikita2095
@erikita2095 Жыл бұрын
literally why i hate steroline
@bootyholeinyobootyhole5739
@bootyholeinyobootyhole5739 Жыл бұрын
Klaroline forever
@AzzurroProductions
@AzzurroProductions Жыл бұрын
@@erikita2095 The writers had to pair them, otherwise it would've went back to Stelena and Delena fans would've went wild
@minaerina
@minaerina Жыл бұрын
Klaus did, Even Stefan did lmao.
@minaerina
@minaerina Жыл бұрын
​@@AzzurroProductions Delena fans would've died in jealousy lol
@vickyg36
@vickyg36 2 жыл бұрын
Aww, that’s all right this is amazing!!💗
@poorninarayanan4833
@poorninarayanan4833 2 жыл бұрын
I love your Stelena videos sm
@murraytianne
@murraytianne 2 жыл бұрын
They had the best relationship, too bad they weren't endgame 🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺
@yusufraage8554
@yusufraage8554 Жыл бұрын
because Elena left the show at that horible sirebond arc so Delena endgame.
@nudhar1990
@nudhar1990 11 ай бұрын
Stelena forever ❤
@yn-thequeen...6958
@yn-thequeen...6958 2 жыл бұрын
Steroline was such great drama friends
@bgegfecsdvgret4rwsdvgrt4we
@bgegfecsdvgret4rwsdvgrt4we 2 жыл бұрын
i cant stand damon and elenas relationship.
@yasodhayerra2222
@yasodhayerra2222 2 жыл бұрын
You always make the best videos 😍😊 and this is one of your best videos and one of my favourite too
@stelenaaesthetic2009
@stelenaaesthetic2009 2 жыл бұрын
It's not the video you've seen before. I made it again.. Some new scenes were added and some old scenes were missing here.
@yasodhayerra2222
@yasodhayerra2222 2 жыл бұрын
I know but this video is as equally good
@pumpkin.onion.
@pumpkin.onion. Жыл бұрын
seems like Klaus big Stelena fan 🤣🤣🤣
@babecaranos
@babecaranos 2 жыл бұрын
love it, Stelena endgame💗 also, could you make an edit of Stelena with the song Alone by Ella Anderson? cause i really love this song and Ella deserves more attention imo so making an exit to this song would be awesome
@oinisasaidova6808
@oinisasaidova6808 2 жыл бұрын
It’s good that you posted it again ! 👏
@stelenaaesthetic2009
@stelenaaesthetic2009 2 жыл бұрын
It's a new one not the old one.
@oinisasaidova6808
@oinisasaidova6808 2 жыл бұрын
@@stelenaaesthetic2009 👍👍 like it
@Debangi
@Debangi 2 жыл бұрын
I loved this video 😻
@Maldini009
@Maldini009 Жыл бұрын
The show was obviously better during stelena, because season 1 and 2 are the best. NO DEBATE. but regarding delena, i just didn't like how things happened between damon and elena season 4 onwards. LMK if i miss anything.... she turned into a vampire. sire bond took her away from stefan and took her towards damon.(1 night stand in s4 e7). and then he didn't even wanna be with her 1 or 2 episodes later 🤣(he let her go?) jeremy dies and she turns her humanity off. (somewhere like s4 e14) the season ends with them getting back together. (i skipped that part 🤣coz i hate delena) season 5 starts with them together, then she goes off to college. (boring) she gets possessed by Katherine. (damon kills Aaron) she comes back and they get back together for 30 seconds.(they break up again after saying they're bad for each other). they break up again whilst already broken up (stefan and her spend time together and caroline thinks they're back together 🤣they play some ''never have i ever game tryna get some answers lol''). 2 or 3 episodes later then they get back together coz they both had a crappy day, and they die together.( damon gets stuck on the other side btw). season 6 she erases her memory of damon coz she couldn't cope lol. (it just keeps getting worse. bring back stelena please). damon comes back and she doesn't like him coz of the erased memories. (awkward). they try to get back together. (more awkwardness). carolines mum nearly dies and elena says lifes too short so they end up together again LOOOOOOOOL. just before alarics wedding they have their final moment together. THERE WE GO ladies and gentlemen, i bet you all fell asleep reading this boring delena summary. worst couple on the show damon and bonnie were a better 'duo stelena had better moments in 1 episode alone in season 1 lol most people in the show liked stefan over damon stelena wins man rest now
@jitugaming2776
@jitugaming2776 7 ай бұрын
I would agree with you brother exactly the same I thought about the show and the delena ' the toxic ' ship😅😅
@hannahleeh1326
@hannahleeh1326 7 ай бұрын
Fr delena was just so toxic Stelena always and forever
@ArianaArmani_
@ArianaArmani_ 2 жыл бұрын
I literally just thought of something.. why do I never hear about a ship name for Caroline and Tyler ??😂 He was Caroline’s first love.. one of her most serious relationships but all I hear is Klaroline or Steroline.😂
@livinginthefastlaneisgetti5691
@livinginthefastlaneisgetti5691 2 жыл бұрын
I love forwood and caroline and matt
@wwanca3771
@wwanca3771 Жыл бұрын
klaroline is so toxic is incredible
@lunaballesano6410
@lunaballesano6410 Жыл бұрын
Because she married Stefan, but Klaus and Caroline were so obviously the ones who should have ended up together that Tyler didn't really matter in the long run as an option even.
@wwanca3771
@wwanca3771 Жыл бұрын
@@lunaballesano6410 caroline falling in love with klaus didn’t make sense also he is a over 1000 years old murderer and a barely adult all the relationship were werid but the amount of people this show fooled with this ship is funny
@lunaballesano6410
@lunaballesano6410 Жыл бұрын
@@wwanca3771 You cannot seriously be using real-life logic to this show. It's all about feelings, otherwise all of these people would be serving a life-time in prison or even more likely death row. They are straight up serial-killers. But it's a fun supernatural show, and if you are gonna call Klaus a murderer, you better call ripper Stefan, Damon, Tyler, Caroline, Elena+++ a murderer too. You can't even become a werwolf without committing a murder.
@loveduve3876
@loveduve3876 Жыл бұрын
Love Love Love Stelena!!
@stefan9224
@stefan9224 2 жыл бұрын
Hello ,loved ur video as always, don't worry .. 💕💕
@nudhar1990
@nudhar1990 11 ай бұрын
I am too disappointed with the turn the series has taken because Julie Plec has very badly managed the plots and the relationships between the characters, especially that of Stefan and Elena. I loved this series especially the first 3 seasons because the return of Katherine and the arrival of Klaus and the Originals caused a stir. But the show started to go down in quality from season 4 where Elena ended up with that damn jerk of Damon and Stefan ended up with Caroline. Why the series told us about soul mates if in the end none of the characters ended up with their twin flame, incomprehensible. I was really disappointed because I really regret what the production did with the couples. The series could have been good, but this is really sad. The first 3 seasons were great, but from season 4 it went all over the place and it ended in anything.
@hannahleeh1326
@hannahleeh1326 7 ай бұрын
Fr fr
@dierdreamaris
@dierdreamaris Жыл бұрын
Caroline was the effing best 😭♥️
@AlwaysMystic-fe2xg
@AlwaysMystic-fe2xg 3 ай бұрын
Klaroline, Co-captains of the Stelena ship
@maraigal1196
@maraigal1196 4 ай бұрын
Damon from season 4 onwards seemed like a drunk, always with the flask in his hand. 😮😮
@patrickanyim6098
@patrickanyim6098 Жыл бұрын
This movie really mess up by making elena and Damon to fall in love
@maraigal1196
@maraigal1196 4 ай бұрын
Yena really liked Stefan for Elena and she showed it ❤❤❤
@anthonycooke614
@anthonycooke614 2 жыл бұрын
If I was steffen I would've got with jenna
@wiwiss6181
@wiwiss6181 2 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@javierlopez9789
@javierlopez9789 Жыл бұрын
Same
@yusufraage8554
@yusufraage8554 Жыл бұрын
I would go with Caroline, that girl was planning a june wedding the first moment she saw him. Its better to be loved then to love.
@TheWurzelx3
@TheWurzelx3 Жыл бұрын
As they should
@mysteriouswolfgirl1351
@mysteriouswolfgirl1351 2 ай бұрын
Am I the only one who thinks that Stefan looks like Zac Efron and Robert Pattinson had a baby????
@annasumakova4651
@annasumakova4651 2 жыл бұрын
Good video. Stelena😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍
@Bre_.88
@Bre_.88 3 ай бұрын
If Klaus even Kai thinks that Stelena should be end game says a lot i wish they were end game😢
@vg6548
@vg6548 26 күн бұрын
Stelena was epic. I skipped through Delena parts. It just seemed more like lust than soulmates. Teen fantacies gave rise to Delena. Biggest ship however was Stamon😂
@imrapheljason
@imrapheljason 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks .. you just made me realize why Stefan and Caroline should b together!
@ubongakpabio7576
@ubongakpabio7576 8 ай бұрын
When ever I rewatch the show annually I don’t watch season 1 -3 cause I hate seeing Elena break stefan
@elliegardner1810
@elliegardner1810 15 күн бұрын
it started with stelena it should have ended with stelena
@ginahmolosi695
@ginahmolosi695 23 күн бұрын
Selena
@chloewhitlock-claire4720
@chloewhitlock-claire4720 Жыл бұрын
Stelena was better in season 1 and 2 where Selena was pretty crap but delena was better in season 3,4, half of season 5, 6 and 7 + 8 if we can even count those since elena was half dead in those 2 seasons
@yusufraage8554
@yusufraage8554 Жыл бұрын
3 season Stefan left with Klaus to save Damon (there was no such a thing as Delena) 4 Elena choses Damon because of the sirebond (not with her own free will) also not Delena. season 5 I heard Katherine pretending to Elena broke Damon's heart and he went and killed Elena's friend. This was the most Delena. 6/7/8 were not Elena centric because she was planning to leave in season 6 and 7 non existend and 8 just a guest role at the end. No Delena.
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