Everything About Pellet Gun Air Rifles : American Airgunner TV

[@patrickcleland6065]

Great video. I dont know these guys, but they seem very knowledgeable. I watch alot of videos about air rifles, and frankly there are lot of people out there makin' videos........that shouldnt be makin' videos!! Thank you guys for having an informed discussion.

[@johnnybbgunner2136]

Springers keep you in shape while having fun plinking all afternoon.💪🏻

[@americanairgunner]

You got that right! Which way to gym?

[@Alexander-zs5rj]

I have a 44 Year old FWB-300S and after refreshing by myself it shoot and shoot accurate like it is new. One of the Best Airguns of all the Times

[@joebotz1243]

Got into air guns 2 months ago, crazy how much I enjoy these videos

[@americanairgunner]

Thanks Joe

[@OffandOn13]

My Hatsan 125 .22 Vortex (full power) really doesn't like the artillery hold, it requires more of a regular rifle hold. Plus it really works great with the side-mounted bipod I put on it. It does a lot of things that shouldn't work with a piston air-rifle and I absolutely love it! The accuracy is amazing.

[@airgunwarriors7491]

I am a big fan of spring piston airguns or gas piston powered airguns. As mentioned in this video, they are quite "simple" in their function and operation and tuning can be a breeze and a lot of fun if you know how and what you are doing, and if you don't know, you can do what I did and find someone that knows what they are doing to do the work for you. I own a Benjamin Titan GP that was a liitle rough in its operation from the box, especially the trigger before having it tuned by a very professional tuner of airguns. He gave the barrel a crown, added the GRT-III Trigger, added the bushing kit created by the late/great Gene from the GTA, meticulously polished and lubed all of the components and returned to me a break-barrel that is as smooth as butter, with a lot less "twang" and a lot more easier to shoot in an accurate manner! It is a .22 that absolutely loves the 14.3-grain CPHP pellets. This video touches base on sooo many great factors of springers/break-barrels and has to be in one of my top 10 favorite videos in reference to airguns! Thank you very much for this great episode! If you are in the market for a very nice break-barrel/springer or gas-piston that is not too heavy and well balanced, consider getting yourself a Benjamin Titan GP or check out Flying Dragons Air-Rifles for just about anything you need....done right and at a price that you can afford! Just remember to have hwtaever it is you purchase to be be properly tuned and you'll be on your way. Happy shooting, AGW.

[@FM418]

Great info! Just ordered my first dult springer air rifle and trying to get the scoop on how these things work and handle. This video was a great starting point for this info! Thanks for sharing.

[@unionrdr]

I've found, over the course of a few decades, that the artillery hold doesn't have to be taken in the strict sense. I hold my air rifles the same as I hold fire arm rifles. With ONE exception. I hold air rifles steadily, but not firmly. I don't pull it tight into my shoulder, nor grip it firmly by the forestock. Just enough to steady it for accurate aim and squeeze easy. If any of you have watched my videos, you'd see what I'm referring to. Don't wrap your fingers tightly around the forestock. Just loosely, steadily. It's all in gripping it just right to let it move, while keeping it steady at the same time. That gives good groups, among a couple other things, like pellet shape, weight, cleaned or not, that sort of thing.

[@americanairgunner]

Yep. Many have found the same thing. Especially on rifle that are incorporating things like StopShox. Key is to hold consistently the same once you've figured out what it likes.

[@xzwe1]

why are u so small on youtube freaking love air guns

[@americanairgunner]

+xzwe1 We're working on it. Thanks for watching!

[@freejackprepper1739]

Fantastic video. Big spring and gas piston magnum air rifle user here, and I was happy to see this video.

[@depressedislandersfan8086]

Freejack Prepper i know this is an old comment but which type do u prefer a gas spring or a normal spring?

[@b.v631]

this is one of the best conversations i ever heard

[@thomaskennedy7842]

This was a very professional and informative discussion. Great work guys. [By the way, the moderator looks a lot like the guy who played Shawn on Psych]

[@scottberg9893]

wow this is really good. thanks. answered so many questions.

[@diesect33]

Mine is broken in and gets 1300 avg. I got a good piston though. So many of us want the Power so we can use heavy lead and get distance more than anything. I so far really like the np2.

[@baabbylon]

Great talk lads , in Ireland, there is very limited knowledge on air guns ,so I'm subscribed thanks ,,,!

[@J4ckieD]

There's one thing I never heard much about before buying a break barrel. The effect of recoil & cocking effort involved. The first day I didn't notice any. After about 3 days using my muscles in away I'm not use to became noticable. I didn't quit though. Shot 15rounds 2x a day for a week & for at least 30 minutes after my arms felt like they were spasming & would ache first thing in the morning. Anyway nobody told me how much these things would kick your butt.

[@nonrustic2221]

Found a gamo spring air rifle that been sitting cocked for round 20 years. It still shoots fine.

[@tinyplanet1262]

Thank you for this video it's helps me a lot in understanding all about break barrels.keep safe 🙏😊

[@desmondbonaffini4804]

hello guys, your videos are awesomely structured and very informative but could you please somehow increase the volume? I can barely hear it with or without headphones while other videos are OK. thanks!

[@americanairgunner]

Thank you for the feedback. We'll double check in future uploads.

[@johnnybbgunner2136]

I am now the guy on the couch target shooting a $600 rifle with mods. It’s called freedom.

[@johntempest267]

Last point made is important when considering effective hunting range. 900 fps at muzzle is 650 fps 100 feet out.

[@jamesdenny4734]

yeah, I started out with an Beeman C1 in .177 (supertuned increased velocity to 920)... now I have my heart set on an Hatsan 155 Torpedo .22 shooting at an amazing 1000 fps with lead pellets.. thanks for the chat

[@willmckellar7542]

Really good video. Really helpful and easy to follow. Subscribed.

[@Snowball-ey5xq]

I know this is old but did you do a video on nitro piston powers springers

[@n.c.108]

Thank you! Yup I'm really happy with my Beeman RS2 in .22 springer

[@MyVenancia]

Very informative, Keep up the good work.

[@paparitz1]

I have a RWS .177 Cal. springer that is over 30 years old, nothing other then a good varmint scope added. With minimal cleaning using a good gun oil, heavy weight fishing string & patches, that at 50 yards I have dropped rabbits stone dead. I am thinking of buying a .25 cal. , but on a small budget looking at springer or vortex Hatsan models - - experts please give me some advise.

[@bmfilmnut]

There are a couple of minor errors in this video. Near the end of the video, it's mentioned that there is a set distance that a pellet will travel when the air gun is level and parallel to the ground. It's also suggested that the distance that the pellet will travel when fired level and parallel to the ground is the same no matter what the velocity. The comment that a pellet will hit the ground at 100 to 120 yards is incorrect because the distance it travels is proportional to the velocity that the pellet is traveling. It is also affected by the weight of the pellet and it's shape. The distance that the pellet will travel when the rifle is level and parallel to the ground varies greatly depending on these variables so those comments are incorrect, which is surprising, coming from shooters who should know better. It's true that if you drop a projectile while, at the same instant, firing it from a firearm or air gun that is level and parallel to the ground they will both hit the ground at the same instant. We all learned that in high school (hopefully). But a pellet traveling at a higher velocity will travel further in that time, obviously. Imagine, for simplicity sake, that when a pellet is dropped, it takes one second to hit the ground. (It would take less time at normal heights but this keeps things simple.) Now imagine that at the exact instant that you dropped the pellet, you also fired one from an air rifle at the same height that was level and parallel to the ground and that has a muzzle velocity of 500 fps. That pellet will hit the ground in one second after travelling less than 500 feet. The pellet starts slowing down the instant it leaves the barrel. But, to keep things simple, let's assume that the pellet doesn't slow down as though we were in a vacuum, again, to keep things simple. In that case, it would travel exactly 500 feet before hitting the ground. Now, let's do the same thing with an air rifle that has a muzzle velocity of 1,000 fps. In that case, the pellet would travel 1,000 feet in that one second. (Again, it would actually travel less than 1,000 feet because the pellet would be slowing down but it would still travel much farther than the pellet that was fired from the air gun with a MV of 500 fps.) So, contrary to what was said near the end of this video, all else being equal, an air rifle with a faster MV will shoot a pellet farther than an air rifle with a slower muzzle velocity and there is no set distance they will shoot because, in addition to the velocity, the shape and weight of the pellet will also affect how fast it slows down in flight. If the muzzle velocity is the same, a heavier pellet with an aerodynamic shape will travel farther than a lighter pellet with a less aerodynamic shape. Heavier projectiles slow down less quickly due to their kinetic energy so, all else being equal, a heavier pellet will make it travel farther. The shape of a projectile also affects how fast it slows down due to friction (air resistance in this case) which is consistent with the example given correctly in the video about a tennis ball and a badmitten birdie. Again, there is no set distance a pellet will fly as said near the end of this video and velocity does increase distance. The "tested" 100 to 120 yard figure given in this video would only be true for a specific pellet shot at a specific velocity. I'm guessing that he made who gave the "tested" 100 to 120 yard comment got that from reading test results for a particular air rifle with a specific pellet. If it was true that all pellets hit the ground when fired level and parallel to the ground at a height of four feet, there wouldn't be much advantage to having a higher muzzle velocity, especially for target shooting where the target isn't moving. In fact, an extremely weak air rifle with, say, a 100 fps MV would shoot a light non-aerodynamic pellet just as far as a heavier, aerodynamic pellet fired at 1,500 fps. Common sense tells you that that isn't true. In fact, the differences in distances would be very great. Beyond that, the distance a given projectile will travel is also affected by altitude, humidity, temperature, and a list of other variables but those are generally so negligible as to be non-existent concerns for air gun shooters. They are something precision bench rest shooters and possibly even long range snipers often taken into account. The point is that there is no set distance that all pellets will travel when fired from a given height, level, and parallel to the ground. The distances will vary greatly. Where the figure of 100 to 120 yards mentioned in this video came from is a mysteryThat said, there is a factor that narrows the distance between high MV pellets and low MV pellets. Wind resistance increases greatly with velocity. In fact, it increases by the cube of the velocity. In other words, if the velocity doubles, wind resistance increases 8X. Even so, all else being equal, the distance the pellet will travel varies due to velocity, weight of pellet and aerodynamics of the pellet. There is no set distance that all pellets will travel if fired from a rifle 4 feet off the ground, leveled and parallel to the ground as mentioned in this video. If you have two air rifles with different MVs, you know this from experience. It's a small point but it's important to understand. This applies to firearms as well. I'm surprised that those comments were made by people who are shooters and hunters. These principles should be understood by all shooters - both air guns and firearms. This is basic external ballistics and it's intuitive and easy to understand. If a shooter doesn't understand these very fundamental things, he or shee won't be able to intelligently choose the right ammunition or pellets for a particular use, let alone the right firearm or air gun.

[@everardocardenas3290]

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[@jeffrice3637]

+Bob Miller Yeah. Ur rite.

[@joshcampbell3992]

I bet your a joy to live with. Not married I'm guessing?

[@ΔημήτρηςΝίκου-ε3π]

hallo, and congratulations for your work. I would like to hear your opinion about the hatsan sniper 125 , 25cal. I know it is a very powerful spring rifle, but what about the accuracy? Do you know anything about it? I live in Greece, and it is illegal to buy something bigger than 25cal, and the price is cheap, actually, it's about 300 € but my first priority is the accuracy of the gun, and I have no idea about that. I would appreciate if you could give me any information. Thanks.

[@orionm427]

nice video very educational for me. I own 2 gamos whisper 177 and 22 cal. and I love them both. what do you think the best spring rifle is for the same price Gamos are?

[@joshcampbell3992]

Great video! Professionally executed.

[@TheJstaten1]

Thank you for this video, I'm a first time air gun buyer and this was very informative. Cheers!

[@hamidshuja3161]

very good informative video.

[@jamesmarriott9972]

Power is useless without accuracy, over 1000fps is very unstable, 900fps is ideal, sub sonic and stable is a recipe for accuracy. Over in the UK with sub 12f/lb laws engineering comes to the forefront. Accuracy is king, don't matter how fast it shoots if it don't group, also high power springers have harsh recoil dynamics Which again are not great for accuracy

[@MissionaryInMexico]

James Marriott Very good comment. Very true.

[@phenomenol91]

james marriot....... not entirely true. the walther lgv series is a technological marvel with its accuracy and smooooth recoil... outstanding german engineering but the offset is the weight..... its a heavier package for sure.

[@jamesmarriott9972]

Phenom Enol, I totally agree with you, it is indeed a beautiful springer, have shot one at sub 12ft/lb and it was class, I was just trying to say that ramping up the power comes at a trade off, increasing weight does aid recoil dynamics but I do like the look of a good sportier, not a fan of the huge 17lb HFT stocks, if you want want to see a classy springer, look up John whiscombe, he made some genius guns with 2 opposing pistons to double the power, but it also calmed the recoil down, the guys a legend, British engineering at its best. I do love a civilized conversation about air rifles. James

[@phenomenol91]

james, wow about John whiscombe.....just googled him and read about it... 2 opposing pistons.... Who'd a thunk it? civilized conversations about anything from air guns, to hi end audio /guitars / music, to the proper ratio of cheese to bun to condiments on an incredibly fine burger are totally cool with me as well.....

[@MissionaryInMexico]

James Marriott James, if you'll do a video about what you know about John Whiscombe, along with your obvious extensive knowledge, we would all watch it and follow you. I hope you have time to oblige us. Thanks.

[@ezridr1234]

I want to know why do they not design a springer that is built and designed for dieseling specifically? I mean why not? I'd love to have that option of owning an air rifle that has Seals built in designed and made for oil detonation. That would actually be a great selling point also I'd think, an air gun that supports both options of firing with or without adding a flammable substance. We could call it the "Vinn Diesel", lol. It'd make a great gun with a boosting option no? Get your "Vinn Diesel" air rifle today! need 300ft/S additional power for that long shot? just add a little 3 in 1 for that extra boost! lol.

[@nitetrekker]

I agree and was wondering the same thing, but maybe it starts to move the gun into the direction of being an actual firearm (since there is detonation). If so they could just make it capable of this but not an advertised feature -- word would spread.

[@anamericantoreview1132]

ezridr1234 the ATF defines a firearm as a device that uses a Firebase propellant to propel a projectile so the ATF would probably classify as a firearm if it is designed to do it.

[@Howardtripper]

ho much extra power does it actually give you

[@quisazaderak9257]

Look at the Weihrauch Barakuda EL54... there you go ;) Mendoza might have one with an oiled sponge to force dieseling, i heard but couldn't confirm till now

[@fast03vette4me]

looks like Ruger Impact Jim holds up, right on , me too. Not supposed to grab the silence air to cock it though. Wish they could have covered breech seals and shims a little, chamber lube needs, pellet selection, etc. maybe another time. Great gents. THX

[@brorjordas1979]

Bought myself once a Crosman Phantom 4.5mm break-barrel cuz it was on sale. Came with some cheap scope and mounts. Shot lots with it just using the iron sights. A nice average airrifle. After a couple of years I finally decided to mount the scope on it. Haha.. The mounts placed the scope a bit leaning towards to the other side (side depended on which side the screws were on). Was a bit irritated that the scope did not get placed right on top of the barrel. Definitely needed to put the scope on so it would lean on the right side(my right hand being the trigger hand), twist the sight so the recticle's vertical line would line up with the barrel underneath. Always have to hold the rifle lean a bit to the left then, so the recticle's horizontal line would line with the horizon... Thought this all would do the trick after setting the scope in. But no - I shot terribly with the scope. Thought the scope was completely crap. Maybe is too - because it being cheap and all that. But I bet now - that I was just holding the rifle wrong. The rifle got put away after getting such bad results - but now the time has come to try it out once again - thanks to the American Airgunner show and info on the subject. :) Update: Yup. Probably held the rifle wrong in tha past. Have shot nowvbullseyes from 18 meters free standing. And whacked out easily my target from approx 30-40 metres semi-rested.

[@Mad_S]

"Yeah I just shot my ceiling." Ever heard of the pushup? Its a wonderful correction procedure for mistakes of that, caliber.

[@EFFTRUDEAU]

I just had my first desk pop🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@EFFTRUDEAU]

Thats a real thing right?lmao

[@robertholmes8799]

Thanks guys,helped a lot.

[@anamericantoreview1132]

it's taken me about 1 year to get good with my Ruger impact Max the trigger is kind of heavy and getting used to where the break in the trigger is and Trigger control took some getting used to

[@Lander76]

I use 'metal of honour' metal wax on my guns to prevent fiinger prints and corrosion and it works very well

[@kamalavendan8574]

Bro I have .177 cal air rifle it has 20joules enargy,15ft-lb,262mps/860fps nitro power break barrel rifle.can I able to hunt a rabbit. If yes how many yards away? Pls guide me...... how many grain pellets I can use to hunting 35 to 45 yards for good performance....

[@ericmatthews3307]

What they didn't touch on is whether or not there is considerable point of impact change because of the break barrel design. I've always wondered whether sighting in a scope would stay constant with a break barrel. There's a reason they put the iron sights on the barrel only.

[@jcb0249]

Are there any viable (for hunting) big bore spring/piston air rifles? .30cal would be good, but "viable" (imo) means at least .22lr performance at 50+yds.

[@MissionaryInMexico]

Jaycbee024 Any 30 cal Air rifle is going to far exceed 22 cal lr performance, double or triple. Good question though. I'll watch for their answer.

[@jake4194]

A 22lr is double to triple the power of even the strongest spring or gas piston air gun!!

[@danielvandertorre5462]

can you make a better and bigger back end to get more power and speed like wider spring and compression tube is this possible or not I am a big guy so I don't mind bending 100 lbs on compression stroke .

[@MissionaryInMexico]

daniel van der torre Valid question but I think the guys will not answer mod questions. But a knowledgeable viewer might.

[@shaggycar1]

I am sold on my springer. The problem came when my scope broke. I was hitting golf balls at 90 yard zero.. Killing varmints at 125 yard and down to 10 feet, for about 3000 rounds. So what is a scope that will last?

[@americanairgunner]

Check to make sure the scope lenses are internally manufactured for the double recoil of a spring rifle. Many scopes are equipped now, but still some exist. Start at PyramydAir.com for a good selection.

[@shaggycar1]

I am going to try the diana 20 moa zr mount to try to mitigate that recoil. Can not find much info on it. It has been around for 3 years and no one is talking about it. I will try to give a review after 10 K rounds.

[@ArcticGator]

Yeah, hunting all day with a sheridan c9a or even sighting it in can kill your arm pretty quick lol nice little video

[@441rider]

In 1760's the rifle Lewis and Clarke had was invented and a 50 cal 20 ball pcp repeater by Girradoni?. In 1906 BSA recommended only dry firing one time after cleaning the rifle to blow debris out. Some 1900 rifles fired into the 800fps range like Lincoln Jeffries and BSA Standard springers in 177 22 and 25.

[@geraldross5180]

Come to Canada we can't have higher then 500 fps. I watch you guys and cry. You lucky buggers.

[@wayne10161967]

detonation or diesel. first time i every shot a brand new spring gun it had oil/grease in the barrel. first shot sounded like a .22 long rifle

[@SH-xq3hd]

Hi dude please guide me for buying my first air rifle in my country limited brands are available only I select a some rifles please tell me which rifle is best for long time use and good accuracy 1. Diana 34classic, 2.gamo black fusion, 3.walther terrus which rifle is best ? Please reply me… thanks

[@SH-xq3hd]

thanks a lot dear for your reply

[@gnomonty3908]

my springer has a spring inside the bottom half of the main spring ...what's the purpose?

[@jeffrice3637]

That artillery hold. I have 2 do a check list 4 touching ( barely) every gun, every shot. Off a bipod even, the m 54 2.

[@shayneadams7528]

I would like to know now being a year later do you all still prefer the spring piston over the gas piston?

[@airguntomgaylord]

Shayne, Yyes, I do. Airguns with metal springs are easier to tune than gun with gas springs. That's said, gas springs are becoming smoother all the time and may catch up someday. Tom

[@shayneadams7528]

Tom, Thank you for the reply I just kinda got into shooting air guns I bought a gamo viper .177 a long time ago not really knowing much about them and tried to get it to shoot well with no luck so I put it up. About 5 years after that I started looking into them and learned that pellets and the way you hold them really affect the groups your gun shoots and now I have killed many squirrels with it, and recently purchased a .22 gamo maxxim with the gas piston and I could not be happier with the groups I can now shoot with both guns. All this is thanks to your alls channel that has really explained everything in such detail that I now understand what I need to know on how to shoot these guns better.

[@hogs2424]

i am a big fan of the Gas piston...mostly because it's what the umarex Octane has and I love that Break barrel.

[@shayneadams7528]

Rossi I may have to look into that gun I've seen alot of people who really love that gun. I see alot of people really dis the gamo guns but I have owned 2 and have killed many squirrels with them.

[@MissionaryInMexico]

Shayne Adams My Gamo does the trick. Squirrels, rabbits, pigeons, raccons and less than 20 pound hogs... beware.

[@mickmueller1700]

Thanks guys. Sorry, but the host may be distracted. Great history lesson, as always.

[@johnroberts3723]

All we need to know!.

[@americanairgunner]

That is always the goal. Glad you enjoyed it.

[@willgallant8913]

Have the gas piston air rifles improved in durability over the years? I have read so much of them being prone to leak.

[@pyramydair]

With gas rams having been around for so long, the easy answer is yes. Bear in mind though, just like springs, it's impossible for anyone to tell you the actual life of a gas ram. Yes, they may leak at some point in their life, this would be no different than a spring breaking. Overall, the gas rams that have come out recently from various manufacturers have had less issues than ever before. The power plants are very solid now. There is definitely still a difference between a high dollar Theoben ram and the less expensive gas pistons from Umarex, Hatsan, Crosman and others but you see that in the overall cost of the rifles. So yes, they are definitely improving and as long as the manufacturers are doing a good job of QC, there is no reason they will not continue to improve.

[@eddielinear8100]

I shot my RWS 177 without cleaning barrel scared me half to death sounded like a 22 mag

[@KasualKevin]

So any opinions on whether .177 or .22 is better than one another in certain situations?

[@Tsukamaki]

.177 has a flatter trajectory than a .22/better for target and small game while the .22 is more widely used for hunting as it hits with more kinetic energy/better chances of a humane kill.

[@kingkobra1978]

.22's above 600fps are illegal in my country.I paid $1200 for a $400 1000fps smuggled gun.My wife hates me but i love my gun.

[@bradtowers3581]

You have a God given right, you're an American in my book.

[@rmblwgn]

+Bearded Bard what country thats such horseshit

[@Armadurapersonal]

+Bearded Bard In my country you need to fill a ton of paperwork to buy a .22lr and there's tons of restrictions on carrying your gun around, but airguns no matter how powerful are fully unregulated.

[@raelmc]

+Bearded Bard in my country airgun power cant exeed 7,5 jouls, when in all europe this limit is fixed to 17j and also 24j.if they cach you with more than 7,5 you go to jail as if it was a kalashnikof

[@MissionaryInMexico]

Bearded Bard Your wife doesn't put hare in the pot.

[@grahambunton377]

What is the Hatsan Vortex? Is it a spring air rifle?

[@bowhunter65ful]

They need to do more testing as to the colds effect on spring pistons, vs. nitro pistons. Quite frankly, I haven't seen any difference.

[@oakcfloyd]

Not bad. Very cool.

[@Mad_S]

I'm just trying to gain a little knowledge to get a good air rifle for getting rid of squirrels. Hearing this makes me think of air soft. It all the same conversations, just a different format.

[@1OFGODSOWN]

I love my Cheap RUGER Blackhawk ELITE .177.It shoots straight with the GAMO ROCKET Pellet & I don't like shooting a lite pellet because when it breaks the sound barrier it is much too loud for my likes from an air rifle.I can't see spending $500 or much more on any air rifle.I love hunting small game with the RUGER but the hunting regulations in Florida only allows hunting Rabbits,Squirrels,& Wild Hogs last I checked & the RUGER in .177 does that with ease.That little .177 pellet between the eyes or behind the ear of either of these animals & it's dinner time at my house.Get yourself a RUGER Blackhawk ELITE & you will love it.Change the scope mount out to a rail mount & a set of rings with dual allen screws & that stock scope will sit still & serve you well.

[@happygolucky3960]

Guys I just want to say the reason why I like Springers is because they kick like a mule and they feel like Rimfire rifle when it kicks where is PCP they don't have that kick so to me they feel like a toy

[@landonmorris3075]

UConn # 1 me too

[@ethanlassen9615]

My brother left my brand new air gun cocked for a whole day I feel like it isa lot less accurate now any tips on fixing it

[@americanairgunner]

This is a topic often debated - whether or not leaving a break-action airgun cocked or not will alter its performance. Although we recommend that you not leave a spring powered air rifle in a cocked position for extended periods of time, the situation you’ve noted will typically not impact accuracy. If you have access to a chronograph we'd suggest confirming that the velocity is fairly consistent. If it is, then likely no harm caused. If it damaged (broken), you will experience erratic velocity and therefore poor accuracy.

[@retobar752]

I've never seen a honest shooter shooting a spring gun for a long time. Except the Feinwerkbaus without recoil. I wouldn't ever recommend a springer for any shooter! The minimum I'd recommend is single stroke pneumatic. No vibration, no strange movements, short lock time and not much to care for in a quality ssp. I'm shooting these for years in a club and just for fun. And it is fun because they shoot hole in hole! Examples: Beeman P3, P2, Weihrauch HW40, HW75, Baikal 46m, Feinwerkbau series 600, a few Gamo's, a few Daisy's and some more... Everyone of the examples will last for a very long time and serve for competition as well as just for fun. I live in Switzerland, so I don't really know the american airgunmarket. It's not about brands, it's about the system. I gave my springers away for free, because I didn't have a usage for those anymore! I'd honestly say, stay away from the springers. They are fun at first but after that, they'll collect dust...

[@JaleelJohanson62]

Spring piston and gas ram rifles provide a fun way to maintain a firm grasp on shooting fundamentals. If one can shoot them accurately, it automatically transfers to any other shooting discipline in the form of better marksmanship. They allow for no bad habits that some of the other pneumatic power plants may allow one to get away with. I've mastered the spring piston and gas ram rifles I own to the point where someone handy with a PCP would have to be really focused to out-shoot me.

[@baconskillet1465]

I have a gamo springer and it is rated for 1400 fps it is crazy.

[@steveadams6928]

most probably that rating is for the lead free ammo, regular lead pellets will travel slower. to check if it really is a 1400 fps gun, fire a lead pellet from it and listen for the supersonic whiz as it moves downrange, like the sound a .22 rimfire makes. if no whiz sound, it's only a 1400 fps using lead free pellets

[@baconskillet1465]

I know I forgot to say that.

[@steveadams6928]

I have a Gamo Hurricane that's rated for 1250 fps, with lead pellets there is no zing from the pellet, with lead free pellets there is a very audible zing as the pellet travels downrange. I was at the local range shooting it.It has a very large muzzle break on it as an aid for cocking ( 58 Lbs of force needed ). Was shooting lead free pellets at the time, others thought I was using a silencer! LOL

[@johnmcgahern3946]

They talk about higher FPS being the holy grail. Pellets are not like powder burner bullets; once they become supersonic (approx 1125fps) they become erratic in flight and less accurate. Olympic air rifles shoot in the range of 600 fps. Faster doesn't necessarily mean better.

[@tlotlosenai7304]

I have a Hatsan Striker 1000S .25

[@mnpd3]

Spring piston airguns have an accuracy problem --- they are only as accurate as the shooter can remain consistent. They have very good shot-to-shot accuracy only if the grip, rest, hold, follow-through, etc. is repeated exactly. Vary any factor even a little, and the spring piston air rifle will either change its point-of-zero, or shoot wildly all over the place. Even the required oiling of the gun will cause the same symptoms, and too much oil causes the gun-damaging "dieseling" effect. Shooting a spring piston gun requires correct practice, and previous experience with any other design of airgun or firearm counts for nothing.

[@trevorjameson3213]

The guys in the video seem to suggest that ALL spring piston rifles are hold sensitive, but that is not entirely true. I have an RWS 460 underlever, and it is not hold sensitive at all. In fact, it groups best if it is held firmly when firing it. Maybe they should have said, "many of the break-barrel rifles are hold sensitive, but not necessarily the fixed barrel rifles".. I think that would have been more accurate. Another silly statement the young guy said... he asked, why would someone buy a magnum air rifle in .177 caliber? Then the other guys laughed. . That is absurd, because there are VERY good reasons why people choose .177 caliber in a high powered air rifle. I don't have to explain it, I think most people can figure out why gun makers produce rifles in different calibers.

[@jeffrice3637]

+Trevor Jameson I use all my guns 4 target practice. I can cancel my heart beat wobble with fuzzy wool gloves n I'm ok. A R-11 .177 Rx-2 .20 M54 .177 the brothers .177. a 440 gamo n .22 but I seldom shoot it. Real accurate, stupid I guess.

[@MissionaryInMexico]

Trevor Jameson my Gamo and my Crosman are both springer .177's and I use the same ammo for both. Much small game and medium size game has ended up in the pot with those guns. I also killed a "knocked down (with shotgun) but flailing" 8 point whitetail deer with a Crosman 1377 with a domed pellet straight up to the antlers from under the jaw. When I cut the skull antler section off, the pellet was embedded in the bone exactly between the antlers. Complete brain pass-through. The high powered .177 are highly underrated. They do the trick. A 32 pound raccoon found that out the same year.

[@MrChris-bx7ss]

Which Remington?

[@mrpixel3579]

I own a weihrauch hw80 made in 1986 it will do 1100 fps easy without dieseling but I have tuned it ;)

[@superhunter992]

you did forget to mention a gun that is cocked for a long time and over time can get spring fatigue there for making it less accurate and giving it inconstancy on power and break barrels in particular can suffer really bad accuracy if the barrel moves or is loose by and other part can wear like a bearing system or chisel system to lock the barrel in place stuck to a fixed barrle more accuracy

[@filoIII]

superhunter992 How does a fatigued spring become less accurate? I can see weaker, but less accurate?

[@velnoonlev2610]

+filoIII Less equal distribution/exertion of force will cause slight inaccuracy in any projectile. If the spring is weak, it won't exert the amount of force required to propel the pellet in the desired distance, thus making it more inaccurate at greater distances. Any decent shooter will be able to compensate for drop, of course. If the barrel is rifled, then the pellet won't spin at the original speed with a weakend spring, again, making it slightly less accurate, as the air will be able to resist the projectile a bit harder.

[@superhunter992]

yeah i could not of put it better myself

[@1outlawtrucker]

gammo captainpegd07...they have insane power plus with there new igt technology and silencer,there devastating,i have 1 an can take a skunk out 55yds with a 8.9 grain wadcutter,also believe it ir not cheap ass crossmam "destroyers " have an excellent mushroom effect

[@jamessever8936]

hey can someone explain to me how the pressure in front of the piston can get to the pressure (what they claim) of over 1,000 psi? my issue is that say that even if the pellet didn't move at all- isn't it accepted that once the piston compresses half way the pressure is double the original (ave air psi~30psi, so now 60psi) even if the pellet didnt move once the piston moved 3/4 of the way down it would still only be 120 psi. then even if it went 7/8 of the way it would still be no where near 1,000 or 2,000 psi. im not saying that these stats are lies i just dont understand it

[@garybillington2239]

+James Sever the start pressure on a spring rifle depends on the barrel diameter and also on the pellet skirt thickness. some pellets will start to move at a low of 120 psi whereas the some will need upto 600 psi. lighter pellets usually work better in a springer and the heavier pellets in a pcp.

[@garybillington2239]

do an easy test mate, hook a barrel upto an airline with a gauge and you'll find falcon plus pellets need about 120psi to move in a 22 and the hobby needs about 600 psi

[@johnnybbgunner2136]

I shoot my R10 indoors and it is loud as heck! The .20 cal pellet goes right through a laptop 💻 screen.

[@americanairgunner]

no doubt. Dieseling for sure

[@1or2there]

Now u hav me reconsidrng bb's by that reconng . . .

[@captainpegs0740]

What's the most accurate spring or gas spring rifle for under $500?

[@americanairgunner]

That's a highly opinionated answer. We recommend you take a look at consumer reviews at Pyramyd Air's website. You can narrow your search to products in your price range rather quickly and find the highest rated rifles for your price range. We are partial to German-made spring rifles like Walther or RWS. Note that Pellet weight and shape and user skill will affect shooter experience, just like with any other product.

[@silverbackdp]

Captainpegs07 walther lgv

[@craigvlogs862]

pick up a hw80 / beeman r1 ...an iconic airgun that's built like a tank.

[@MissionaryInMexico]

Captainpegs07 You'll get lots of answers but the fact is there are many that are extremely accurate. My Gamo springer does single hole groups at 30 yards. My friend's NP2 gas does the same thing, is my next gun next month. Hatsan, Benjamin, Beeman, and the Ruger Blackhawk Elite are definitely marques and a particular model to look at. AirgunDepot.com has the refurbished Ruger Blackhawk on sale for $79 right now, stating 1200 fps in .177 but with standard weight pellets it will be more like 900.

[@jeffrice3637]

Hey, how about using a a Abrams Main battle tank 4 hunting!? Good sights. range. Imagine the blood! Rite?

[@oxm18]

Can you replace mechanical spring with gas spring?

[@JaleelJohanson62]

Sometimes yes and sometimes no. Depends on the make of the air rifle.

[@MissionaryInMexico]

JaleelJohanson62 Which ones or are you guessing?

[@JaleelJohanson62]

Not guessing. Some air rifles can be converted from spring to gas ram and some can't. For example, the Diana underlevers can't. Years ago there was a conversion for the RWS 48/52, but not anymore. The Beeman Kodiak (aka Webley Patriot) can be converted to gas ram. I have two of them that are. Do you have a particular rifle in mind?

[@MissionaryInMexico]

JaleelJohanson62 You didn't mention Gamo or Crosman, of which I own both. Was just wondering if there's a conversion for them. Question: why would the RWS not make that conversion anymore? Outdated, or is it a matter of designed obsolescence, or just forcing you to buy new to get what you want?

[@nonrustic2221]

Dont like finger prints? Rap barrel with electrical tap.

[@iamscotticus8081]

Volume! Louder!

[@jeffrice3637]

My Gamo Hunter 1250 clocked 1257 w/beeman lazer.My hunter extreme clocked 1676 n raptors. Neither of the brothers r problems.Screws loosen, give up n scopes, have red dots. I Have misgivings about the bias some testers have about these guns. Velocity tests, ummm. The cocking complaints about these guns. . .I'm 67 5'11 158. With time 2 learn the guns n the hands of a crack spring gunner, these guns will perform as good or better than most spring guns. Sensitive. Similar 2 a wild animal. takes time 2 get 2 know them. I do want a big cat. A cheetah. No this r that about the pro's n cons of this wish.

[@2x4barrels40]

Sorry but you are wrong the first gun to break 900 fps was the Marksman rated at 930 f.p.s. but only for a month. R.W.S. then past it and kept going.

[@IvanZehirov]

Hatsan 125 ...Real Deal !

[@bobr7572]

"Did ya ever play bad mitten?" ROFL

[@johnnybbgunner2136]

My R10 makes a rifle crack sound leaving the barrel.

[@americanairgunner]

Needs a moderator or the pellet is breaking the sound barrier.

[@105ekeith]

the comment that these are the only self contained guns is not correct, there are PCP's that are self contained, I have owned the FX independance that has its own built in pump and i expect there are others, good video though

[@m.lymann2185]

Guys, it's not brain surgery. Just stick to a good manufacturer, select a caliber/pellet and shoot safely.

[@davemonday5381]

Spring piston or air ram. This is like asking four race car mechanics. V8 or electric ⚡️. There’s only ever going to be one answer. And it won’t be gas ram I bought a new gas ram and same exact gun in spring. Both 22 I hate to say it but the gas ram is smoother nicer to shoot less kick. And more accurate no bdoyng spring noises ether the truth hurts I don’t think the guys are wrong it’s just gas rams have got better and better. Great video’s

[@MrChris-bx7ss]

Mr. paul capello seems to be mysteriously absent from this group.

[@PeterDad60]

+Ammo Man I noticed that as well. Paul Capello is a great reviewer. Just as bad as not having Paul at the table they do have Rick Eutsler at the table. For some reason I can not stand the guy and I do not even know him. I think I find his style or lack of it bothersome. Sorry Rick. I'm sure a lot of low end air gunners go to your sight so perhaps that's why you are here. Ugh and cringe! I know right now I do not sound like a nice likeable man, what can I say. No one's perfect. Now having Tom Gaylord makes sense since he is an acknowledged air gun guru. I have seen several video's with Jim Chapman, he's known as a hunter.

[@charlesoutdoors2424]

+PeterDad60 I've watched and used Ricks reviews since he started making videos. Rick is one of the few people doing air gun reviews I trust. His videos give me a great look at the gun as well as what I can expect fps and performance with real pellets. I find your comments about low end air gunner's very offensive. Down right snobbish or elitist. Most air gunner's start with a so called low end air gun and still own many sub $300.00 air guns. If you watched his reviews you would also know how silly the low end comment was. I doubt you own an air rifle over 300.00, little own one of the many high end guns he reviews. The though of you considering yourself an air gunner makes me, what was that. Ugh and cringe! Most air gunners are respectable and friendly and you sir are neither.

[@MrChris-bx7ss]

I think he was more willing to point out the negatives on particular airguns in his early years and much less since he now has manufacturer support to his channel.

[@johnnybbgunner2136]

My R1 .177 is at 1050 fps and it sounds like a 22 rifle.

[@americanairgunner]

Might be dieseling ?

[@johnnybbgunner2136]

@@americanairgunner I am not using very oily pellets. Shooting the break barrels indoors intensifies the sound. Even outdoors they are loud without a suppressor. I like that though.

[@pezz_pezzer]

tell Rossi I just ware a glove on my cocking hand to avoid the hand prints on the barrel or cocking arm... :-)

[@PeterDad60]

+Pez Pezzer I wear a slightly oiled glove on both hands. used those same gloves back in 1992-93 when shooting .22 cal smallbore Olympic style 3 position NRA competition. Now I just keep the gloves ever so slightly oiled and all my air guns and firearms stay oiled and clean. Of course every so often I do wipe down the metal with an oily rag to prevent rust. I also wipe down the wooden stocks but I am careful not to over oil as it may soften the wood. Just enough to keep the wood clean and shiney. Wearing gloves (with the finger tips cut off so your hands stay cool) removes any pressure point induced pain when shooting a long time and it also allows for a very relaxed grip and that saves muscle strength because you need not apply pressure and yet your hand grips the stock as the wood rests in the palm of your hand. I shoot all rifles and air guns using Tom Gaylord's "artillery hold".

[@jacksonmississippi3857]

00:50 and Gaylord .These two the best.

[@johnnybbgunner2136]

Talk about being a GREEN rifle! No gun powder or casings. All you need is lead and a mold and you can make your own pellets.

[@americanairgunner]

sure can

[@itsnotom]

Velocity isn't shit without accuracy

[@Strutingeagle]

I thought you said Gaylord Focker was going to be on the panel.

[@aarondavenport3143]

i love this show i just wish the host would keep up with what they're telling him and ask more succinct questions. like he just overpowered with ignorance their explanation on dry firing and I was trying to keep up myself. i don't mean to be a dick, I'm just saying the host shouldn't be as ignorant as the audience

[@Xr8dACE420]

Aaron Davenport why not? he acts as the audience, he asks the questions that they the audience would ask