Everything GREAT About Kung Fu Panda 4!

[@superjordanreviews1497]

Unironically I’d say the greatest part is the credits. Not because the movie ended but because of Jack black singing and seeing the five again

[@aplsed]

Well, the movie ending is a bonus

[@Knivess0]

At least it wasn't Awkwafina.

[@matityaloran9157]

They should have used Everybody Goes Kung Fu Fighting Again

[@ShockwaveFPSStudios]

I got used to that after watching Dragon Knight & the Paws of Destiny.

[@PhucNguyen-mw7kt]

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[@lozm4835]

I think the Chameleon could have been a lot better if her plan was specifically motivated by Po. In particular, him being made Dragon Warrior highlighting the unfairness and double standards of her being declared 'too small'. "You were too fat, too lazy, and too uncoordinated, but you got a chance and became a legend? Whilst I was just too small, and I got kicked into the gutter. Well now I own those gutters. And I want your chance and your legend now too."

[@Ironica82]

Her being "too small" would have been laughed at if the furious five were in the movie.

[@lozm4835]

@@Ironica82 yes, it's an absurd double standard and the movie would have been better if it addressed that through the Chameleon's motivations.

[@Burra_Shetland39574]

I have come up with an extended backstory for the chameleon. In Juniper City, the strong prey on the weak. The chameleon's family was pushed around by criminals and one day, her family was killed by bandits. She wanted to learn Kung Fu to fight them off but no one would teach her because they laughed at her size. Ever since then, she practiced sorcery and trained an apprentice of her own (Zhen), so she could steal the staff and take the powers of Tai Lung, Lord Shen and Kai. This is so she could make those criminals bow down to her, all because they killed her family and took away the people she loved.

[@kellyntaylor8184]

@@Burra_Shetland39574To me, she should’ve had the combined traits of the three original villains. There was a video that explained this and I found it to be more enjoyable! She lived peacefully, but bandits kept stealing everything so she wanted to learn kung fu. Gets rejected, find someone who does believe in her and trains only to end up dead thanks to the bandits. Goes on a rampage and then discovers sorcery, gets power hungry and goes on another rampage on those who laughed at her to then return home. Only to be met with horror from her own family when they got the news of what she did. So she then snaps and decides to take Kung Fu from everyone so that no one would rely on it and use it as a way to be above someone

[@AnujChatterjee-q5b]

That is interesting - what the original comment said. But then she is actually older than Po and the Furious Five (confirmed by senior animation intern who worked on the movie - Abby Roadie) so she could not have been motivated with vengeance against Po. However, she did have envy and jealousy against kung fu warriors in general. The animator added that the Furious Five had not perfected their styles before Chameleon was rejected. Also on a personal note I actually liked it. Her backstory was a polar opposite of Po. Then I have been tired of cliched backstories like "society killed my parents so I became evil". Chameleon's backstory I found interesting and refreshing.

[@jellyendeavor7526]

One thing that made me laugh was that I'm pretty sure that Monkey's quest was a journey to the west reference, cause he's chasing after a Macaque it might just be a coincidence but I think it's funny that the monkey is trying to find a Macaque which is an antagonist of Sun Wu Kong aka the Monkey king XD

[@trinaq]

I've always liked Cinema Wins more than Cinema Sins. It's great to have our favourite movies validated, even if they've otherwise received scathing or lukewarm reviews.

[@ther3aper561]

I sparingly watch Sins because even though I know most of it's satire and done as a joke, that much negativity really impacts my mental state some times

[@TheTheKraven]

@@ther3aper561 I'd highly recommend B1rdman EWW Cinemasins series it's way better for one's mental state imo

[@theechoproject899]

We need more Cinema Wins type channels and less Cinema Sins type channels.

[@3173_Delta]

"Because liking things is more fun than not liking things"

[@Stilloy]

Cinema wins whenever he talks it feels like he always know when there’s a win, but when he talks in cinemasins most of the sins don’t feel legit

[@Truck-kun11]

When the franchise is so good that even the "Worst Movie" is a 7/10

[@PussInBootsTheLastWishFan2003]

For me it’s a 9/10 when the first 3 movies are a 10/10

[@xcellentcreations3312]

THANK YOU! That just proves how good this film is! Sure it's not god tier like the first trilogy, but KFP4 proved how it's still a amazing franchise!

[@kayden2119]

7/10 Feels generous. I would say 5/10 is more realistic. It's perfectly mid but not bad.

[@Kaijuenjoyer-nv7qn]

I'd rate it a 6/10. Fine enough, but not that memorable.

[@srquack27]

@@kayden2119 well 7/10 is a C so id say its apt for what is a good - and nothing more - movie

[@Szokynyovics]

Lee, your wholesomeness is just... Needed. Absolutely. No pressure, but I hope you never stop. Or if you do, no problem, we will have your legacy here, or wherever, but man, you are just... Needed.

[@yugiohgames104]

I think the crashing into the wall joke is not a fat joke but actually a nice callback to the first film where he couldn't crack in the Jade Palace walls when he tried to get in the crowd to see the Furious 5's show but now when he approved, he can literally go through walls now

[@silashurd3597]

Oh my stars! I never thought of that! Guess the dragon scroll really could allow him to punch through walls, but with his whole body

[@CameronMetrejean]

I’m a DIE HARD Kung Fu Panda fan who was pretty disappointed in this film the more I thought about it. But even I will admit that my favorite part was watching Tai Lung give Po some credit and seeing the two of them end on good-ish terms. I truly believe Po amd Tai Lung would be friends in another universe.

[@rancidity]

see, i have always held the belief this movie is about po, so i didn't miss the 5, but i can understand why people did

[@hichewies]

rghhhh that part is what irritates me the most :/ tai lung just goes from i hate u to i like you in a matter of minutes, and it's so underdeveloped. they could have had a whole movie to build up the character redemption, and instead they go with this half baked arc

[@soisaus564]

the villian is so much weaker than the others and more edgy of a story, plus how every worse nemesis of po forgives for no reason

[@kellyntaylor8184]

@@soisaus564Po’s a sweetheart, he can’t really hate everyone. Except maybe Shen, he killed his mom

[@Jabersson]

Well that's the thing. Tai Lung in this movie feels pretty much like an already-befriended, formerly evil rival to Po, when nothing changed after the 1st movie. Meeting Tai Lung again should have been WAYYYYYY more of a big deal.

[@orainefoster8316]

Remember kids: if you like something, you like it. Don’t let anyone hamper on what you love. Don’t be part of the group think crowd; and don’t let what others say impact how you love something. Don’t let them have that power over you. Defend what you love, because you are the one who sees the beauty in what people don’t see and that’s okay. We need different perspectives, we need those different voices. It might feel like it’s just you against the opposition and that is completely fine.

[@lilonion69]

yea, when I was 13, I had barley any opinions, only listened to critics online. but when I got ow2 and I heard it was bad, I loved and my fav game. and loved venom as well

[@G1000-r5c]

I agree with every cell of my body and soul I'm sick of these critics and commentary KZbinrs telling what's right and what's wrong to like. It's time to be independent with decisions of liking a certain piece of media, and if it aligns with the majority, then it's just a coincidence

[@MachinaOwl]

It's perfectly acceptable to like something that is flawed. I liked GoT's final season and I just accepted that. I didn't rush to defend it against what are entirely valid criticisms and interpretations. I think the Internet pushes the idea that you need a well constructed argument with relatable reasons as to why you like something.

[@GirlYouDontKnow-rx3lm]

God bless you.

[@nightlox_5113]

But I don’t like this movie though

[@kamikazelemming1552]

I really love KP 4's message of the older generation passing their knowledge on to the next , and how it serves to contrast Po and Chameleon's relationship with Zhen. Po treated Zhen as an equal, teaching her all throughout their journey, and earning her trust, before eventually taking her on as a proper apprentice at the end. Chameleon, meanwhile, despite referring to Zhen as her apprentice, never actually taught Zhen anything she knows, like her sorcery techniques, and instead treated her as a glorified servant, and was more than willing to kill her off without a second thought.

[@AllistorRichards]

This hilariously makes a lot of real world sense when you realize Chameleon is a boomer and Po is a millenial coding wise lmao.

[@e-122psi3]

Also makes a good contrast to Ping. He too teaches Po just about everything he knows, and despite their professions and skillsets clearly differing, these little nuggets of wisdom keep applying to Po since the first film (who taught him "There's no secret ingredient"?). I like this is even going on again in sync with the scene when Zhen realises how toxic a mentor the Chameleon is.

[@averymerrick]

Word of God: In her Discord interview, Stephanie Ma Stine stated that (per production designer Paul Duncan) Shifu used Chi manipulation to restore Oogway’s staff to its original state before it was broken by Tai Lung.

[@lexicon1742]

Her Reddit AMA was insightful as to why the movie was written the way it is

[@robbys5236]

14:00 This is also a nice callback to when Po tried to reason with Shen back in Kung Fu Panda 2, with Chameleon responding in a similar way.

[@jeffreyquinde6707]

Kung Fu Panda 2 didn’t invent “hero tries and fails to reason with the villain”

[@peopleperson]

Week 181 of Asking For Everything Great About Dead Man's Chest

[@NastyHudson]

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[@jamesrogers5220]

Keep going fellow pirates fan, I believe in you

[@qkomodo9098]

Soon, brother. We'll get it

[@Phoenix-ft9qj]

Keep it up bro he should really do this one

[@Fencmore]

Day 1 of supporting this request

[@shinyninja8107]

Something I love that you didn’t mention is the parallels between Po and The Chameleon. They both had the same backstory, both wanted to learn Kung fu but were mocked and ridiculed based on their appearances, with Po being too fat and the Chameleon too small. However, they took different paths from there. Po embraced who he was, used that to his advantage and made it his own. And through that, he got respect, love, and Kung fu. Meanwhile the Chameleon decided to take the easy route, turning to magic to simply take what she wanted from those who already had it. They serve as mirrors for each other both visually and narratively, and I really wish the movie focused on it more. Overall, I really enjoyed this movie. I liked it more than 3, though that personal opinion. This movie is gorgeous, and the fight scenes are super fun and interesting. I had a blast seeing it in the theatre

[@MegaDynamiteDan]

Idc what anybody says kfp4 is a good solid movie zhen is cool and of course hot and the chameleon was a good villain love her introduction

[@AnujChatterjee-q5b]

There are actually a lot more parallels between Chameleon and Po than just their backstories. 1) They both contrast the theme of change. Po struggles to change internally i.e. accept change from dragon warrior to spiritual leader while Chameleon can change externally with ease. Chameleon uses external transformations to gain power while Po undergoes internal transformations. 2) They are also polar opposites as mentors. Chameleon exploits Zhen's skills and sees her as "something to use" and even admits it in a harsh way. Po on the other despite being reluctant in his new duties, he mentors Zhen with wisdom from Shifu and Oogway, he treats her as his equal and sees good in her. Even he needed Zhen to get him to the Chameleon but he never saw Zhen as just "something to use". I just love the parallel with the peach pit. Po gives her a peach pit and life advice while Chameleon hands her a fake jewel peach pit, symbolizing a false destiny. Tai Lung challenged Po's physical strength. Lord Shen challenged Po's mental strength. General Kai challenged Po spiritually. And Chameleon challenges Po's adaptability !!! Po was unable to defeat Chameleon so he gave the Staff to zhen because Chameleon won't see her as a threat. Even though he faked it I am sure Chameleon would have won if the fight continued. I am upset how so many people label her as a trash villain just because is she is not as good as the OGs. I personally think she is better than Kai. There are so many strengths in Chameleon storytelling wise but people treat her like a lazily written villain. It's actually they who are too lazy to see the positives in her.

[@171QA]

That cover of Hit Me Baby One More Time was amazing.

[@vkiran3576]

Easily the best part of the movie...

[@AirbenderHawk]

Yep!

[@T05H18A1037]

14:01 I’m surprised you didn’t win the Chameleon constantly changing her shape whilst fighting Po using all of the warriors’ abilities and physiques to her advantage. I only saw the film once and I still remember the moment she hides behind Shen’s feathers and then punches Po through said feathers with the fist of a different much larger animal! I kind of giggled in awe of that scene! 😁

[@Grilsdad]

Yes this, reminded me of "Ultimate Blade works" Shiro's fight with Gilgamesh in the reality marble.

[@apenasmaisumdiogo.7115]

Yes, that scene was very well-animated

[@2chaskell]

a lot of people complained that the past movie villains didnt seem in character, even outside of not speaking. my theory is that the spirit world gives those sent there peace and clarity. kai didnt have that cause he was sent by the wushi finger. his later proper death likely made him fully one with the spirit word. tia lung was send by the finger too so was alive and prob why he still retains much of his normal personality.

[@AnujChatterjee-q5b]

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[@e-122psi3]

The Soothsayer even hoped that Shen would find peace.

[@Burnt_Toast1]

"One often meets his destiny on the path he takes to avoid it." -Master Oogway Love how this quote from the first film is exactly what happens to Po.

[@hyperdreamer9483]

The hug also seems like a reference to Kung-Fu Panda 2 since like Tigress Zhen is trying to stop Po from making a huge mistake, and both times it doesn’t work but for different reasons. In 2 Po was being desperate and stubborn to know his past, in 4 Po was heading in cause he knew it was the right thing to do and that he couldn’t standby when there’s a villain to stop, so a hugging, callback, and character growth win

[@thebranman.o.8816]

My favorite part of the movie is the fact that they allowed Ty Lung to find inner peace and that he no longer strives for anything but to return to his peace

[@Composureman]

My greatest problem by far with this movie is the villains motivation to steal kung fu techniques. "They said I was too small" says the chameleon, while standing next to a viper and a mantis. Would have felt more believable if she was accepted by different masters and tried to learn and eventually copy other styles, but found her body couldn't keep up, so she turned to magic. But still an enjoyable enough watch.

[@AllistorRichards]

The villain's motivation makes a lot more sense when you look at her critically and realize how *old* she is compared to Mantis and Viper, who are essentially generations younger than her. She grew up in a time where her size was a disability in the way of teaching that denied her entry into the teachings, obviously between that time Shifu and others proved the old prejudices wrong and broke the barriers the two shared, paving the way for masters like Mantis and Viper, but she let society tell her what she could be similar to how Zhen let it do the same, with the difference being that Zhen had someone like Po to encourage her to be better and not be what the world told her to be.

[@memelescream4796]

to be fair, that could be an interpretation of it. obviously not the intended one, but she could be thinking too small. She isn't trying to adapt her own abilities into a Kung Fu style, like how every other Kung Fu Master does it, she just tried to copy and steal from others. She wasn't thinking large enough to be creative. She was too small-minded.

[@AnujChatterjee-q5b]

​​@@AllistorRichardsIf you think about it even Shifu was not that impartial and open minded. He never believed that Po could be a kung fu warrior until Oogway ascended. Then even in the Canon Shorts he turned away the Furious Five except Tigress and accepted them only after they defeated Boar !! And Shifu is the closest master to Oogway. So if Shifu, the closest to the wise Oogway cannot see the potential in other students I don't see why other masters won't see. It's not shown but there is still canon evidence to justify her backstory !!

[@AnujChatterjee-q5b]

​​@@memelescream4796I think you are on the right track but I would like to elaborate saying that she did try to invent her own kung fu style. In the final fight against Zhen, she uses her tail and tongue and not the stolen skills. So she did self-train after rejections but kung fu is no piece of cake is it ? If you are not taught by masters you cannot excel at it now can you ? The reason she wanted to learn kung fu was to gain power and respect so she turns to sorcery as another medium to gain them !!

[@minigame4133]

First time I've seen praise for this movie since it came out

[@minigame4133]

Also, holy shit I'm first!

[@cliffturbo2146]

And it's been two months already

[@NastyHudson]

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[@MorganVsTheInternet]

People will make “ Kung Fu Panda 4 was a misunderstanding masterpiece. “ in a couple of years videos

[@cliffturbo2146]

@@MorganVsTheInternet "...And I'm tired of pretending it's not"

[@hbtonline9537]

"I can't say the name of my ultimate favourite, but I will say it gives some very important instructions" Spat out my drink.

[@matityaloran9157]

4:26, I’m surprised that the movie finally explicitly saying what species Shifu was wasn’t a win. I know DreamWorks executives already said he was a Red Panda but this is the first time that’s acknowledged in one of the movies proper

[@DracoMagnius]

I'm a little bummed my favorite Tai Lung line didn't get in. Scott asks Tai Lung, who he's rooting for and his response is, "I don't know, I'm very confused."

[@Lyoko2516]

I ultimately saw the whole "Furious Five being absent" thing as a good thing. If they had been there, Po would've been stopping to ask them for their advice, which would have slowed the movie down. So Po doing it on his own was perfect.

[@e-122psi3]

I think it just being this buddy comedy with Po and Zhen also gives it a unique flavour from the other movies. It's just these two equally goofy characters for most of the movie.

[@CameronMetrejean]

I wish instead of the movie being about Shifu telling Po he needs to pick a successor, Shifu instead announces he wants the Furious Five to disperse across China to spread his teachings. Have THAT be the change that Po and the rest have to adapt to. Then they go have their one last big mission together to stop the Chameleon where they all realize the value in change and we get a tearful good bye at the end of the movie. Scrap the character of Zhen entirely.

[@cmzf947]

That’s a great idea. It definitely would’ve helped the movie a lot.

[@maxmazzel]

The Furious 5 are coming back in the next one. They just wanted room for a new character to fully show themselves in this one

[@gamejester.]

@@maxmazzel Where did you see this? Is this confirmed?

[@maxmazzel]

@@gamejester. The director Mike Mitchell said he'd want the next one to have the Furious Five "front and center" Pretty sure I found it while googling Kung Fu Panda 5

[@gamejester.]

@@maxmazzel That sounds very nice, thank you

[@renegadeforlife5782]

“Species specific language greeting jokes; can’t beat ‘em” I believe you mean “can’t bleat ‘em”😂😂

[@rogueguardian]

8:09 continuity joke from the first movie where he tried to volt over the wall when trying to see the furious five 👍

[@jeffreyquinde6707]

Could’ve been a coincidence

[@rogueguardian]

everything in animated films is deliberate, trust me. You have to go frame by frame when animating it so details like this are nice.

[@CameronMetrejean]

I will give this movie credit that it added a lot more variety to the animal characters. In the first film it was mostly geese, rabbits, and pigs as the background characters. But they gave us way more this time.

[@johanneshockerup3017]

I just thought, is Zhen hugging Po on the bridge a nod to Tigress also hugging Po in the prison in the second film? I think those scenes are kinda similar

[@gojizillakong]

Do Everything Great about Godzilla Minus One please

[@martijnklaassen3536]

About the Chameleon: I like her design, the voice actress did a decend job and her powers look AWESOME!!! But the director gave the writers NOTHING to work with... The past 3 villains got a backstory and understandable motivation to why they are evil. All the Chameleon did is push someone down some stairs because she got rejected by the gym.

[@xcellentcreations3312]

Well, that and she also proceeded to siphon some dead people in the afterlife to be the best there is. I don't know how people forget she also did that in the film

[@doomcat6426]

​@@xcellentcreations3312 That's... That's not a backstory

[@sleepdeprivedcactus]

And I didn't really like how all the previous villains were kinda just.. there. Like you can't convince me that shen is just gonna stand there and thank po, man's an asshole to the core

[@xcellentcreations3312]

@sleepdeprivedcactus well, to be fair the limited budget made him just stood there...I don't know why Po just didn't one punch the peacock for committing genocide on his kind as if this was the series finale of lost (of which I enjoy) but whatever.

[@xcellentcreations3312]

@doomcat6426 well she also got really pissed off and instead of doing what Mantis did to be a worthwhile warrior, she went completely wacko and began to siphon dead people's abilities

[@patrickspencer6550]

Thanks! I still have those suggestions for the coming months or whenever you can: 1. Request #39 for Jurassic Park 2 (1997) and 3 (2001) 2. Request #28 for Shrek (2001) 3. Request #29 for Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981). I understand how you might be busy with The Flash, Blue Beetle, Aquaman 2, Wonka, and possibly Oppenheimer. I made a spreadsheet of all the main videos you've made over the years. But still, take your time. Love you, CinemaWins! Always! Also, I still can't wait for next week's video!!!

[@wargamingsupernoob]

He did promise to do the other Jurassic Parks. We will hold him to that.

[@ScenetheUndead]

If anything people should at least respect it isn't butchering Po as a character. He still grows each movie in just a little way, this one does feel like a natural journey in his story, and honestly at this rate I'd rather they just go hard in and make the final film with Po where he willingly goes to the spirit realm just like oogway did. Or at least old and grizzled with his own cast of new champs. He deserves a full conclusion at this point.

[@fenorlex1126]

I remembered that the original plan for Kung Fu Panda was that it would have 6 main movies, with the first trilogy about Po the *Student,* then this trilogy about Po the *Master.*

[@AnujChatterjee-q5b]

I agree. I thought the movie would just have action, comedy and nostalgia but I was pleasantly surprised to see the theme of change in not just Po but also Zhen and Chameleon !! Po's arc was something I did not expect and I liked it a lot. Other than that the movie had great action and comedy. A great addition in the franchise !! I am interested to see Po's new role as spiritual leader.

[@capsuletunic7589]

Definitely like the parody between the peach pit Po gave to Zhen and the one the Chameleon gave her. The Chameleon’s is made of gold and a ruby, so while it may be worth more now, it won’t grow into anything. On the other hand, the one Po gives has little to no value, but will grow and become something beautiful. That in it of itself has a pretty solid message behind it. Honestly over-hated movie IMO.

[@Instinct23-uf1rk]

bro that just makes me like the movie even more This movie literally has a lot of hidden messages that need to be explored

[@AnujChatterjee-q5b]

Yeah. Glad to find another person who noticed the easter egg. They are several great themes and hidden details about the movie I loved.

[@MegaDynamiteDan]

Ikr and I loved this movie

[@bechak2001]

Zhen is the wolf she is voiced by Nora Aquafina Lum, who also succeeded Buddy Hackett, who played Steinmets and original Scuttle the seagull as Scuttle the underwater gannet bird for Little Mermaid.

[@djvenom2.0]

Kung Fu Panda 1 - Strength, Believe, Never Giving Up Kung Fu Panda 2 - Mind, Inner Peace, Letting Go The Past Kung Fu Panda 3 - Spirit, Growing, Being Much More Than Before Kung Fu Panda 4 - Heart, Change, Doing The Right Thing Kung Fu Panda is an amazing movie franchise for children and especially for adults!! As a kid I liked it for the Cartoon Comedy & Action Scenes but as I grew older.. I loved it even more for the Story and Message/Lesson that taught me to be a Better and Stronger person for myself... ❤🥲🤩 Thank you DreamWorks for this masterpiece of a film and the rest of the Kung Fu Panda films especially the fourth one.... I both Love & Enjoy them all as the 1st Kung Fu Panda film and all of them touch my Heart & Soul both as a Kid and as a Adult... ❤️🥲😃

[@andre_601]

Tai Lung calling Po Dragon Warrior at the end seems like quite the character improvement to him... Having him aknowldge Po really being the Dragon Warrior.

[@jbear83]

I’m your closing thoughts, I was so expecting you to say Oogway’s quote “One often finds his destiny on the road he takes to avoid it”, cause it was the perfect setup. Anyway, I gotta covered bro 👍🏻

[@yivamasibulelemaqungo4915]

i love you dude.. you have made me love some many of my childhood movies(im 33 now) love them more.. and you made me love the Kung Fu Panda franchise and other movies even more

[@grangnook4072]

I love how they showed each bad guy. This movie was weird at first, but it's definitely still good!

[@silvermoon2608]

I just saw this movie and I really enjoyed it! I’m legitimately shocked that most people seem to hate it so much. Had to come here to hear somebody talk about the positives.

[@WalkmanWillWalkAllOverYou]

I will admit it's not as good as the First 3, but I really enjoyed it too.

[@tommyherrick8220]

I really enjoyed this one despite some of the negativity online. And I definitely did not see her giving the staff to the chameleon during my first watch that actually shocked me.

[@Lainfan]

14:57 Upgrade was quite the underrated film, I had the exact same thought at this point and hope it was indeed an homage to that.

[@skateboard_sandwich]

Would've been nice to have J.K. Simmons and Gary Oldman on board, but, eh, budget. Still a fun movie and glad it was covered. Now we just need The Bad Guys.

[@MegaDynamiteDan]

Madds Mikkelsen was originally going to voice Kai in kfp3

[@kerutlj]

Thank you for your positivity and sharing your love of movies

[@aceofspades5003]

Another week of asking for Everything Great and Inteterstellar

[@NastyHudson]

Cordial reply

[@gabrielcerna2963]

Needs to be done, I'd love to see his comments on the cinematography and visuals.

[@gabrielcerna2963]

Also as I father myself I would love his comments on the father daughter dynamic and just and the dadding in that movie

[@MrMordo85]

Can we appreciate that the treasure that tiny Zhen tried to steal when she met the Chameleon was a jewel (aka fake or decorative) peach pit, symbolizing a false destiny

[@AnujChatterjee-q5b]

Wow. I thought I was the only one to think that. I also think Chameleon handing the gem to Zhen is a dark mirror to Po handing the peach pit to Zhen. Chameleon wanted to exploit her skills while Po just wanted to teach her some humility. Really cool details here.

[@daviddaugherty2816]

Also, that jewel peach pit was shiny and pretty, but it can't grow. Symbolically, it was trapping her in the place Cameleon wanted for her.

[@NamekJedi]

Movie is fire idc. Also kinda funny seeing people find out this series was meant to cover movies that aren't universally loved lmao

[@dragxxn2541]

i love this channel so much. thank you, lee, for bringing us joy

[@Antowan]

Fun fact when kung fu panda was first planned it was meant to be a 6 movie series so there are still likely 2 more coming.

[@christinealcock2841]

Cinemawins is always a win

[@NastyHudson]

Engagement

[@itsCJDaVinci]

Accurate

[@SonofthePhantom]

The goose duck honking as he gets thrown up the stairs made the whole cinema laugh. One of the best parts tbh 😁

[@temmiedud3946]

cant believe cinemawins made this movie sound pretty good

[@Grilsdad]

Isn't that the whole point of this channel? Can't wait for Oscar & Hudson Hawk. [but I will ]

[@jubiiiiiiiiiii]

When you watch a CinemaWins video just to hear that sweet sweet voice...

[@rogueguardian]

You too?!

[@youknowwho5251]

I like that you can always tell when it's the Chameleon's disguise. The scales never go away, regardless of how good the moves or voice is.

[@DavidAntonio-uw1co]

I also didn't realize about crazy train and I rewound it so I could make sure it was there from the beginning and the camera spin when po is fighting evil po had me rewind it a few times because of how much I loved it

[@SpiderandMosquito]

Always a happy day when I see you again Lee

[@Astrolionking]

I loved this film I don’t care what anyone says. It made me laugh, Zhen was adorable, I loved Po and Zhen’s relationship, the animation looks beautiful, etc. Yes, I have complaints. But I still loved it.

[@HAGATANA]

I've been absolutely tired of the amount of hate I've seen this one get. Not even criticisms, just straight up saying the movie sucked, the villain sucked, Awkwafina's character sucked. I know I know, this movie isn't the best, there's ways even I'd change things to make it even better, but it's not an awful movie, it's still really enjoyable. I've seen a few ways artists would improve it and sure, it'd be nice if it was what we got. But people forget there was still a great deal of heart and soul put into this, true passion of artists. People forget to enjoy and appreciate, especially when what we've been given isn't even God awful. I think the villain was really good, pretty menacing and powerful, and a pretty good personality and motive. The way people were like "Being too small to learn Kung Fu is so stupid," judging someone's size is not uncommon ESPECIALLY in the previous movies, like Mantis being seen as harmless for being so small or Po seen as incapable for being plus size. Get bullied or shamed for something as insignificant as appearance, or even witness someone else suffer this, and then say something. It can take any repetitive negative thing to change someone for the worse, people can suck and will make you feel sucky about stuff that shouldn't actually matter. Awkwafina, I never understood the hate she gets. I don't know much about like who she is, but the complaints on her voice I especially don't get, like what's so annoying? She's pretty entertaining and funny with her roles, and she made her character here even more likable in my eyes. And I really felt for her story, I mean I empathize towards many, but come on, a story like hers isn't easy, it's painful for anyone and it's sad to see. Another thing, people really believing it would've been better if Tigress was the next Dragon Warrior. They don't seem to understand it was never. Her. Destiny. She believed and hoped it was, others did too, but after potential and reasoning were revealed, everyone came to a realization and accepted it was Po's destiny. Tigress is still great as she is, she doesn't need to be Dragon Warrior to continue what she's already been masterful at, it took something like this for Po to start reaching his goals and get where he is, but he doesn't need it anymore either, no one needs to keep a title to keep doing what they do. Which brings me to my final point, the plotline of choosing a new Dragon Warrior isn't stupid either. It feels like choosing a new master in Kung Fu or Karate or what have you, they can't do it or be it forever. They probably could've better shown in Universe that time really passed, maybe even visually age Po up slightly, and the other characters of course. Plus it's a nice redemption for someone who felt or seemed like nobody, just like how Po started. It's a pretty nice message, in basically every film, that no matter your origins, no matter how you've failed or messed up in life, redemption can be possible. You can turn things around and make it better for you, you don't have to accept being stuck in any horrible situation. It's your life. Like I said, the movie's not perfect, but so much feels overlooked and I'm always grateful we have channels like these shining light on the good, giving everyone a reminder for all the hard work, and showing there's something good even about the most awful films ever. People can dislike whatever, everyone has their opinions, but hate is never good, and no matter what, there's always something someone can find to enjoy.

[@AnujChatterjee-q5b]

Facts !! I am tired of these criticisms appearing in every review of the movie - Chameleon's motivation does not make sense, Tigress should have been the dragon warrior, Awkwafina ruins movies. I am glad you countered them. Kung Fu Panda 4 is not perfect but it has a lot of overlooked themes like the message of embracing change, being a good mentor, the peach pit wisdom and so on. I think its a great addition to the franchise and I like the direction with Po being the next Oogway and Zhen being his apprentice.

[@mrgrump1003]

I am glad it isn’t considered a bad movie. I am fine with a mediocre movie. It’s just good to see Po again.

[@averymerrick]

From TV Tropes: The film is only 94 minutes long, shorter than Kung Fu Panda 3. *This was mandated* by certain Universal executives, affecting DreamWorks releases starting with Ruby Gillman, Teenage Kraken. Their rationale for animated tentpole films being strictly 90 minutes was to ensure more showtimes for more money and that they believed *"children can't sit through a longer movie".* *And that was the only thing they imposed on the crew.*

[@Instinct23-uf1rk]

Meanwhile kids watching cocomelon for 40 hours a day

[@eliasmejia1575]

And they had one job, ONE JOB! It leaves Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse, the only animated summer blockbuster that's now highly successful but not for Transformers: Rise of the Beasts, Elemental, The Flash & Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny, now they've suffered the same fate as Ruby Gillman which is why last year's June started fatigue on superheroes, action, nostalgia, blockbusters, etc. Even before Furiosa: A Mad Max Saga had a terrible opening weekend.

[@alexberlanga9977]

We need Everything Great About Death on the Nile and A Haunting in Venice PLEASE AND THANK YOU

[@DiamondBatToons]

I'll always love the "Passing down the torch" story, and this film does it SO WELL!! I love Zhen, and I couldn't want a "Kung Fu Fox" trilogy more

[@malawianalphawolf]

I'm honestly surprised that most of the people watching the KFP 4 missed the parallel to KFP 1. 'One often meets their destiny on the road they take to avoid it'.

[@AnujChatterjee-q5b]

Finally !! Glad to find another person who thought that. Po procrastinated becoming the spiritual leader and went to stop the Chameleon for another dragon warrior adventure. After the factory vision, he becomes even determined to stop her. Only to realize this was all a trap to get the Staff of Wisdom. Po embraces change while trying to flee change !!!!

[@malawianalphawolf]

@@AnujChatterjee-q5b I was actually more so saying, Po Didn't want to lose the status of dragon Warrior, only to find his replacement on the journey to prove he didn't need to give up the title. But that also works.

[@AnujChatterjee-q5b]

@@malawianalphawolf Yeah that is more or less what I said. Embracing the change from dragon warrior to spiritual leader.

[@sunbun93]

ahhhhhhh Dungeon Meshi reference from this channel? A win.

[@Giosuke_Giogashikata]

I understood that Tenacious D joke. But truly, you don’t always have to something hard, because sometimes that’s not right. To do. Love your content, dude

[@JimmyTheGhost16]

I appreciate all you do. Some much love and positivity. Thank you, your videos always help me find inner peace.

[@CameronMetrejean]

I have LOVED every KFP movie prior to this, but Didn’t care for Zhen. I’ve got nothing against Awkwafina and have liked her in plenty of other stuff, but I’ve never liked this kind of character. Vanelope, Nimona, Zhen, etc. Replacing the Five with her was a letdown. And now she’s set to be a new main prominent character for any other future properties…. I’m not excited for that. Still, great animation and Kung Fu as always.

[@sorenprefontaine7336]

Please do Everything GREAT about Hoodwinked (1 & 2)!!!!

[@karalee636]

Please do Blue Beetle! Ots a perfect movie for the mission of this channel!

[@Maedroth]

Every time you've given a Teamwork win in your videos I've always been reminded of a certain Tenacious D song that gives some very important instructions.

[@Piggynatorgaming]

Bull in the china shop scene had me rolling

[@wargamingsupernoob]

What's even funnier is MythBusters influenced their behavior. Bulls wont just charge through things like the stereotype says.

[@hartthorn]

I could see this as a potential opener for the exploration of multiculturalism by honing in on the "regional" nature of the Dragon Warrior, with Zhen and Po looking to expand the umbrella of their protection and having to deal with new peoples as well as figuring out how you do this across so much territory. So, Zhen is trying to prove her new title by cleaning up the streets of her home town even more, but from this catches wind of someone even FURTHER away who needs help. They go out and engage with this new threat, and in the process find others who have the spirit of kung fu but have no experience with the concepts as the core cast knows them. Part of the conflict is bridging this acceptance that these new heroes are strong and capable even if their framework of the ideas is different. Culminate with a 3rd movie where the core villain is explicitly using some kind of communication network as part of their plan, and the whole final act is Zhen, Po, and Shifu organizing all these fighters they've come to know and trust but not by giving them second to second orders, but trusting them to handle their little section of this larger fight.

[@TheCommenterDragon]

Zhen instantly became one of my new all time favorite KFP characters! She was adorable and it was interesting to see her learn from Po.

[@octaviashadows6711]

Glad to see some love for this movie. Even if it wasnt as good as the ones before it, its still a fun movie!

[@libraryanne2392]

Happy Father's Day, Lee! The Two Dads make your timing exquisite!

[@lloydpetersen2]

can we also talk about the jade stone floating in the chi staff moves with each movement like a gravitational force grabs it every time it moves and recentres it back to the right position

[@SogekingFirebirdStar]

Please do an Everything GREAT About The Muppet Movie!

[@jackalovski1]

This is why I love cinema wins so much, I was all set on hating this movie on principle because it felt like a shameless cash grab but now seeing how much they were able to make use of the side characters like po’s two dads really sold me on it. Also more tai lung but him being more of a good guy is always a win ❤

[@Drifter_Dellian]

Wait... Was I the only one realizing the Cabbage Merchant reference from ATLA?

[@dont-hurt-me2519]

Don't know what next week is going to be but here's a list of suggestions to consider for future EGA videos: -Star Wars: Clone Wars (2008 Film) -Disney's Dinosaur (Please do this one) -The Rugrats Movie -Aquaman & the Lost Kingdom (I understand this film is controversial but I would still like to see an EGA video on it) -Pokémon the First Movie: Mewtwo Strikes Back -Wonka -A Bug's Life -Godzilla: Minus One -Atlantis: The Lost Empire or Strange World or Wish (Either one would be great for an EGA video) -The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, the Witch & the Wardrobe

[@maunkee]

Thanks for reminding me about my favourite Tenacious D song. I'm going to listen to it quickly before my kids get home.

[@sweetc832002]

Poe is pure freedom,the fact that you can be heavy in a fight with someone and still be impressed 👍

[@koryjohnson5933]

I'm sad you didn't catch that Ke Huy Quan's character is a sunda pangolin which I means roller. Which means it's nod to his early work as SHORT ROUND COME ON!

[@Silence09-i4q]

Loved the video can you please do everything wrong with Jack and the Giant slayer please

[@zombieboyxx]

"my wife always nagging etc, do i get a netflix special now" 😂😂

[@_bane]

Can we also acknowledge Tai Lung having a Vegeta moment while watching Po fight his doppelganger

[@imaginations_animations4928]

15:33 Yeah, I agree. When I saw that scene and compared the way Po opened the portal to the spirit realm, compared to the way the Chameleon did, it felts more natural when Po did it. Like, it opened willingly for him, while for the Chameleon it was more forced or ripped apart. And the way that the portal opens for the Chameleon, it's grey and dull and ashen like and kinda looks like the way she shapeshifts, where for Po his golden dragons are glowing and seem to show, maybe to represent the comparisons between who wields the staff. Even their movements to open the portal is different, where the Chameleon is more forceful with it like when she drags it across the ground and breaks up the floor, compared to Po who's more graceful and gentle.

[@coreansic2.046]

Genuinely i think my personal gripe with this movie (id still say its like. 6.5-7/10) is just the art direction didn’t feel as strong. Mostly with the lighting, especially coming off os (imo) the most visually stunning KFP which is the 3rd film. Other than that Its a solid good time.

[@apenasmaisumdiogo.7115]

Yes, despite the amazing cinematography, the animation actually felt worse than the third one.

[@robbiewalker2831]

15:18: It’s actually heartwarming to see Tai Lung accept Po as the true Dragon Warrior; though it’s hard to explain why, I still love this fact.

[@CaptainFirefred]

16:20 - Gentleness is important.

[@nuberiffic]

"I never go into a movie wanting to love Awkwafina's characters, but she always wins me over" Really? This was thie forst role I've seen her in and she just felt so out of place. I get it, you're a super cool hip hop edge lord that the parents just don't get man. Ugh, every line just felt so try hard.

[@reaperbrothers5487]

14:57 I was thinking this was like the movie Upgrade when he was dodging

[@jackofminds8338]

I actually had a lot of fun with this movie, and was kinda disappointed by people online (in my opinion) overblowing how bad it was. Sure it was flawed, and could have been better, but I enjoyed it for what it was.

[@AirbenderHawk]

WHOOOO!!! Months late, but this franchise means a lot to me as a martial artist, the themes in all 4 movies resonate with me.

[@AnnieMay_1114]

I think the one thing that would have pushed this movie into the same realm as the others (watch it till I die) is if Po hadn't declared that Zhen would be the Dragon Warrior. I think it would have been more interesting she was simply his first student as a spiritual leader and in the future there were more candidates for the Dragon Warrior position. I think that Po handing off the Dragon Warrior title should have been the very end of Kung Fu Panda the series, and we as an audience should have been in suspense until the final film as to who would inherit the title. Considering there is at east 2 more films greenlit, I think it would have been possible. However, the two dads who are clearly peak parent material both in how they care for each other and also their son single handedly saved the film for me.

[@GodzillaFan528]

Do everything great about the Prince of Egypt please

[@ethandrake1472]

My partner and I saw this in cinema and bad an absolute blast. Extremely fun, even though it isn't the greatest movie ever made.