Everything went Wrong here... XMG Neo 16 with External Water Cooling

[@xmg_gg]

Many thanks to Roman for testing and evaluating our new XMG NEO 16 with XMG OASIS (Mk2). In general, we welcome the constructive criticism and will incorporate it into the cooperation with our ODM partner. We would also like to thank you for the transparent cooperation, so that we were able to include a few statements in the evaluation at the end of the video (from 22:47) and without any particular time pressure (no pun intended...). We would also like to comment on some of the points raised in the video as follows. *1) Water connection on the OASIS* The magnetic and double-sided self-sealing connection on the OASIS is definitely not the strongest link in the chain at the moment. This connection was introduced for the Mk2 at the beginning of 2023 and replaced the previous screw cap. The aim here was to ensure that the connections can be released quickly by themselves so that, for example, if the OASIS "falls off the table", the laptop is not pulled down with it. In practice, it actually holds quite OK, especially if you adjust and press a little after the magnetic connection. In any case, we will endeavor to improve this connection in a future housing revision and make it more robust. This will be a rather long-term project - we don't expect this to happen until 2025. We expect a sample of a new connector variant for Computex 2023. *2) Profile behavior of the OASIS* The video at 7:46 gives the impression that switching profiles does not work. It's true: the profiles only really have an effect under load, not when idle. The fact that the pump did start up occasionally was possibly due to rising CPU temperatures caused by the very frequent clicks and the communication processes via Bluetooth. We are taking on board the feedback that the software needs more explanatory texts at this point to point out these circumstances. *3) Flow state error* In the video at 11:09 the following happens: the OASIS switches off automatically if the hose is completely disconnected or any other interruption of the circuit (e.g. due to a defect inside) occurs. The fact that the OASIS does not restart automatically as soon as the hose is reconnected is intentional: the user should first be made aware that this (possibly temporary) interruption of the circuit has occurred before operation is resumed. We will add additional help texts in the software to better explain the behavior. *4) Water cooling at idle* In idle mode, the XMG OASIS fan and pump switch off automatically and then start up again automatically at higher temperatures. At 25:00 in the video, it is considered that water cooling with manual control would actually be the better solution for idle mode. In our opinion, however, this would only be possible if the OASIS pump could be better controlled. Due to the relatively small size of the pump, it needs a certain minimum speed to start up reliably. The current pump runs on 12 volts as standard and requires at least 5 volts for the minimum speed. At this speed, its noise would already overshadow the laptop's very low-speed fans (at idle). PWM operation is not possible with this pump. A larger pump would theoretically be desirable in a potential successor to the XMG OASIS (Mk2), but would be accompanied by a significantly higher system price and a larger case. In the current system, the laptop fans are definitely quiet enough at idle or under low load that water cooling is not necessary. It is also true that the idle temperatures of the laptop benefit from the connected water circuit even when the pump is not running at all. This is why our automatic control system switches the OASIS to standby when idle. *5) Liquid metal on both sides* We do not want to negate the fact that applying liquid metal on both sides would not help. On the other hand, applying liquid metal to one side of laptop components is already extremely effective, because this is always "direct die" cooling: the dies of the CPU and now also the GPU are much smaller than the heatspreader of a desktop CPU, which means that even liquid metal applied to one side brings a very big advantage. The application of liquid metal is carried out by our ODM partner and is subject to different requirements than a DIY application: we use a metal mold that encloses the die. Inside this mold, the richly applied material forms a bulge that is quite thick in the middle. Once the metal mold is removed, there is a foam barrier around the outside of the die, which catches any excess material. The generous application can avoid possible air pockets, as we can work with high contact pressure without running the risk of displacing the material generously. On the other hand, application on both sides carries the risk that in the factory, where a large number of employees have to carry out this process very frequently one after the other, accidents would happen more often, e.g. liquid metal coming off the cooler and dripping onto the mainboard before the cooler is fitted. This results in a balancing act between the practical advantages of liquid metal in notebook cooling and the fault tolerance and failure rate in the factory. We cannot further assess the differences shown in the video from 16:55 onwards after reapplying liquid metal without sensor logs with extensive, synthetic stress tests, as the gaming situation (PUBG) in the shortness of a Cinebench run may not allow a 1:1 comparison - in Cinebench, for example, the water temperature has a significant effect on CPU cooling under load. In any case, our ODM partner has deliberately decided against a double-sided application after its own before/after tests under the above-mentioned circumstances (amount of material, foam barrier, fault tolerance). The current method has been used in the XMG NEO series since the beginning of 2020. Nevertheless, we will take up this point of criticism and take a closer look again at future direct die applications to see whether the factory-applied method can be further improved. *Conclusion* As already mentioned, we appreciate the detailed feedback and are also available here in the KZbin comments for any further questions and suggestions from the community. Please also refer to the FAQ articles on the XMG OASIS product page and the manual linked there. // Tom

[@MrBalrogos]

How no pwm tho?

[@alexamderhamiltom5238]

i wonder if just putting 2 potensiometer (or just manual switch) will be a better solution. one for the fan and one for the pump.

[@ABaumstumpf]

External cooling had always been a nice idea but it seems to be just a bit too small - specially in regards to the tubing as the cooling benefits for having an external water cooler seem rather minimal. Wired control connection attached to the water-lines: With that there would be no need for bluetooth and both the unit and the laptop could easily detect each other. But is there any mounting-points or support to mechanically attach the cooler to a surface or other things? It is the stationary part after all and rather than fearing it might fall of the table and having lose connectors to counter that i'd rather have it just clamped down. (in general i'd wish for a bit more secure connectors)

[@Felice_Enellen]

Re #5: You can clearly see that Roman's application of liquid metal to both surfaces improved the cooling. It kind of boggles my mind that you are trying to rationalize not applying it the way he, whose company makes the product you're using, says it's supposed to be used and which he clearly demonstrated the benefits of. So what if you think it's not always going to work better? It did here! Blaming it on your ODM is passing the buck, too. They work for you. Make them work better, it's your money that's paying for their work. Your responses here are all very defensive and that's not productive or encouraging about your brand quality.

[@ronjatter]

Instead of requiring draining why isn't there a rubber bung with small magnets?

[@RavTokomi]

That magnetic clip on quick connect is the scariest thing I've ever seen in PC water cooling. It should also include a data connection so they don't have to use laggy and unreliable BT.

[@NobbsAndVagene]

Hear, hear! Very questionable design choices went into this product overall.

[@samiraperi467]

BT can be reliable.

[@K31TH3R]

Jokes on you, the next revision will switch the coolant lines to Bluetooth as well.

[@radugrigoras]

Just an FYI, when you end up doing the comparison between PTM7950 and LM you will need a couple days because when you first apply the pad it will perform on par with an average paste. The pad requires a break in period with heat cycles and holding time and then cooling cycles. On my laptop I would hit it with kombustor and cinebench for 10min before shutting down for the night. After one week the temps were VERY close to LM and stayed there.

[@enlightendbel]

If the FYI is to the audience, cool. If it's to Roman, he literally runs one of the premier cooling paste/pad/liquid metal companies in the world. He knows.

[@-FOXX]

Agreed. Desktop CPU situation.

[@Rockport1911]

I did build myself a DIY version after seeing XMG´s first approach to watercooling a laptop. Mine is totally DIY and looks like it but I made sure to have connectors that seal off both sides ( double closing pneumatic connectors for industrial use). In general I have some 2 cheap Amazon aluminium flat heat exchangers over the oem heatpipes above CPU and GPU, and aluminium backing plate pressing them down, two connectors as mentioned and a whole " Base Station" with a heater core from a van that fits two 200mm Noctau fans perfectly, reservoir is a big beer glass with a strong aquarium pump in it, liquid is just blue windshield washer fluid. Works great, the stock laptop fans never spin up with watercooling, the factory aircooling is fully retained. With watercooling the 12900 in my MSI GE67 never goes above 60C. I didnt do this for Cinebench runs, I did this to not hear the loud laptop fan noises, instead its just a steady humming from the pump. But selling something like this to the public is a whole other scenario. For example releasing the liquid when not using the watercooler is important, as it could freeze or build pressure when the CPU hits 90C. I wished XMG would atleast a strong watertight connection, the most important thing in this setup!

[@GreatYamatanoOrochi]

That's awesome, what TIM are you using? Liquid metal, PTM or good ol' thermal paste?

[@Rockport1911]

@@GreatYamatanoOrochi Just good thermal paste. Before this project I was specifically looking for a laptop that had wide and flat heatpipes above the CPU and GPU, the MSI GE67 fit that bill. As stated above the backplate is replaced by a holed aluminium plate that loactes and pushes down two flat heat exchangers...

[@TheRoarer]

You gotta post this thing, I wana see it so bad!

[@Rockport1911]

@@TheRoarer I dont post anything. Iam just a german tinkering in his basement in order to have a silent gaming PC you can travel with. Its DIY and looks like it :)

[@bruiserdotcom]

Would love to see this home build if you decide to post it somewhere, sounds fascinating!

[@TheBenzKid]

I don't speak German at all but props to you for remaking the video twice to speak in your native language. 👍

[@Felice_Enellen]

I cannot _believe_ they argued with you about not applying the liquid metal to both surfaces. It's _your_ product! You know how to apply it best! Plus they could _see_ in the video that it improved performance! That's crazy!

[@AC-cg4be]

Nice to see I'm not the only one that thought this. I mean, I took their defensive tone as just a translation issue. Benefit of the doubt and all. To tell the person that made a product, thoroughly tested the product, then showed that applying it properly actually improved performance was just a little. . .ballsy, shall we say?

[@Dan-Simms]

Yeah, like I think the person who makes liquid metal knows best.

[@bojanmilovanovic747]

None of you read response from the developer, explaining the reason why liquid metal was applied only on die side.. Response sounds resonable, their current manufacturing process doesnt allow for safe double side application ...

[@rustler08]

@@bojanmilovanovic747 Well, then stop using it. LM is established as a more risky TIM, and if you're going to use it in a shoddy manner that doesn't even fully take advantage of it then it's time to stop using it. The delta is effectively bringing it closer to regular TIM temps like PTM7950, so it's pretty amusing they're trying to defend it rather than just have them do it the right way. Especially when we have seen in other OEM laptops that it's done properly.

[@aaronb9630]

@@bojanmilovanovic747 The extra tooling required would be pretty expensive and I don't think you could even manage it without fully sealing the required area then injecting the liquid metal in, to much risk to the board otherwise.

[@Kikerumbo]

Once you have an external cooling unit, make it double the size to get the most out of it. It's not intended to transport. Also, 90º connector for the tubes as, at least in my use case, the cooler would be far and close to the back edge of the table, since at home it 'd be connected to a external monitor. Also, why not secure the connector in the external cooling? I like the concept and if I had to use a laptop I would consider one of these (with the issues solved and a bigger external cooler).

[@docpic18]

I just discovered your Channel and this the best (including Jarrod's or Gizmosliptech) review of an xmg laptop I have seen so far. You pointed so many issues or potential issues with this. Up untill now I was considering the neo 16 (2024) thinking only the screen is slowing me down in my purchass (according to Jarrod's rview the grey to grey is not good enough to have an effective 240hz and... I want OLED). But now, I will really wait for your review of the next year model before going for it. Thank you very much for your detailed and honest review.

[@Mr.Genesis]

As someone who found you from your German channel. I can't thank you enough for doing English videos 😅

[@KosmatyWilczek]

I find this very interesting solution, ofc it depends on the execution and the price. Good to seem at least the company tries to listen to the constructive criticism. Wish the success.

[@FARBerserker]

we appreciate you doing the vid in both german and english and adding the cat content!

[@MDXZFR]

Normal G1/4 fittings on the radiator side should be better. Plus, since the radiator is stationary, 240mm rad choice should be better

[@electrothecat]

The cpu clock thing is an intel dedicated laptop soc thing at 16:35. clocks are reduced on the cpu if the gpu can't keep up with the cpu, that reduces power consumption and heat transfer to the gpu die. most laptops have composite cooling and power supply solutions, so whatever is loaded more than the other, the other therefore goes to a lower performance level to allocate more reasources to the one that absolutely needs it. Desktops don't do this of course, bc typically coolers are usually seperated, and the rails supplying power are seperated by the psu, or they may have multiple psus.

[@dc-4ever201]

Magnetic attachment for liquid is unsuitable where pressure even low pressure systems are running as it can suck in air through loose fittings. They either need to put a switchable magnet on with a much stronger grab or goto mechanical clamps, I dunno why they didn't go for quick disconnect fittings that have been used in industry for years.

[@GeekOfAllThings]

I like the idea of an external water cooler on a laptop, but I think it needs better implementation. No leak quick connectors would solve the leaking issue, but I don't know how small that kind of connector can get. The connector on the laptop cannot be airtight when the water cooling isn't being used or there could be increased pressure from steam that could break things. The external unit should have a purge function that will push air through the lines in the laptop to drain it without spilling anything. It wouldn't have to drain every drop, just most of it. maybe use a pump that can safely run dry for a short time and have a valve to change it's input from the reservoir to open air. It could even do that automatically every time the laptop or external unit is turned off.

[@Alexandra-Rex]

For something like this, it would be interesting to have a normal big radiator and pump mounted somewhere, maybe under the table on the back side (towards the wall).

[@jurakerleha]

Something like MO-ra3 360mm with D5 pump, let's see if Romain can do the separate test with MO-ra3 360mm and D5, definitely I would prefer it if I can use my own radiator and pump

[@OCXChile]

Was thinking the same haha@@jurakerleha

[@dano1307]

Really cool idea if it can be implemented properly.

[@K31TH3R]

Judging strictly on some of the design choices, I'm a bit surprised XMG didn't attempt to connect the coolant lines with Bluetooth as well. Albeit I have just about as much trust in that magnetic coupling as I would have for Bluetooth coolant lines.

[@wahidtrynaheghugh260]

“We didn’t add manual fan control because you could mess it up.” Remind me again who owns the product after purchase?

[@-Devy-]

LMAO what does that have to do with literally anything? How are those two things even remotely related? This is seriously some of the dumbest things I've read.

[@greebj]

Yeah it seems they have over-complicated this so much by trying to make it foolproof.

[@ivangerginov5648]

While your point may or may not be true, the example you give makes no sense. By your logic, the user should be able to run their CPU at 12V because it's their product. No, you have to limit what the user can do. Obviously.

[@samiraperi467]

@@ivangerginov5648 No you don't. Protecting people from themselves FORCIBLY is annoying and reeks of US culture. If you're stupid enough to raise CPU voltage to ~10x stock, feel free, but it's on you.

[@GQNERD]

Facts @11:43 😂 Edit: Yikes at the factory LM job later in the vid

[@valentin3186]

Laptop overclockers are in tears, Tears of joy

[@Ragnaraz690]

As if they actually tried to tell you what is acceptable with your own product... Though, as a laptop user/modder, I have reworked several Lenovo Legion laptops from PTM7950 to Conductonaut Extreme and I have seen temperature drops of around 10c with IETS GT500 coolers and my own hand built coolers with 3 Phanteks T30s. PTM is a great product for safety and longevity, but properly applied liquid metal makes a big difference. It can vary from laptop to laptop. I took the Legion Pro 7 7945HX with PTM, which would see around 95/100c in CB23 sustained runs, swapped to CE, it was then around 85c with a RAM tune and CO... I saw 38k in CB23. LM in laptops with good cooling and a tray can make a BIG difference. 5 laptops swapped from PTM to LM cannot be called a fluke.

[@lawrenceberg5408]

I have a first generation Eluktronics version. Disappointing to see that some of my major gripes have not been addressed. These inlcude the difficulty of filling the pump reservoir (very difficult to see the liquid level when filling); difficulty with draining both the pump reservoir and laptop while breaking the system down for travel; my Eluktronics has a rubber cover that fits over the laptop coolant port when the pump is not attached; the cooling tubes connect to the pump reservoir via thumb screw connectors. The unit is indeed very loud but still effectice. I have the Intel 12900H and 3080 and it keeps from thermal throttling. Software-wise, the pump reservoir doesn't always shut off when I turn the laptop off. I have to sometimes manually disconnect the bluetooth. Overall conclusion: happy with what I have; not encouraged where the new gen is going.

[@tommyb6611]

At this moment in time, when this laptop is a complicated mess of things, you are 100% better off with a mini ITX build in the same price range, which will give a lot more, and literally be as portable as this cacophony. Laptop water cooling or whatever external additional cooling solution would be acceptable if it were affordable universal addon ( like 100 dollars to give it like a 50% bump in cooling and performance gain)

[@albertwesker4266]

I did external water cooling for laptops and 120mm rad is good for older hardware, for modern 280 or 360 is best. Currently I run i7 10870h without limits and 3060 with modded vbios to 115W and this is cooled by 360mm rad :) max 50 degrees celsius on both cpu and gpu in games.

[@sykoteddy]

Yea, not using a better connection for the water tubes is both weird and kind of stupid. This is not a product for me, but I think it would be smarter to have just a little longer tubes so you can put it for example under the table, or like I did with my Alphacool AIO that was expandable. I was using a Fractal Design Node 30x back then and had it mounted on the wall and put the radiator in the window. I didn't have the cover on, on the chassis because of the short tubes. The window was not in the direction of the sun so it stayed cool even in summer.

[@ford1546]

Don't know why people, factories want to risk destroying the electronics with liquid metal just for a few degrees less

[@Caelus88]

The reasons why it should be drained: frost protection and thermal expansion of water in loop in air-only mode. But yes, it's awfully solution for portable device

[@РустемСиразов-м9м]

Liquid metal in laptops isn't a problem until it is. My friends laptop died after LM breached through this foam... LM was factory applied, not by himself.

[@celeriumlerium8266]

That's why you don't use foam, and why you don't let your friends buy crap.

[@shuijuh.1371]

The lack of power consumption on OSD is confusing you, I'm pretty sure it is because of limited power supply to the whole laptop, that after GPU drinking enough power, there's not enough than before for CPU to use.

[@jorge69696]

There must be a way to transfer heat from the laptop to the radiator without using water. Having to drain after each use is a no-go. I'm also interested in external gpus so maybe this could be an external enclosure with the gpu inside it.

[@kevinalfaro6531]

Good job der8auer!

[@rspanther]

Can't go wrong with more cat content.

[@greenbow7888]

For what it's worth, I find discrepancy between CPUID Hardware Monitor, and my PSU power measurements. Hardware monitor reports power consumption to be 10% lower than the PSU. It only has power in - power out measurements. The power supply is Corsair which has CORSAIR Link, which measures power usage.

[@greenbow7888]

@@watisapples No. ........... Both CORSAIR Link and Hardware Monitor have have readings for power in and power out.

[@sidewinder86ify]

I had an XMG way back.. The MXM GPU died and the laptop refused to use the iGPU, the laptop made an extremely loud ''peep'' like a fire alarm, and there is no way to disable it.. I hope they fixed this error on the more modern laptops of theirs. The XMG-laptop would work fine with the iGPU.. but whole PC became paperweight when the MXM-gpu died.

[@AwesomeKenneth240]

With this being marketed as a desktop replacement, I don’t understand why they are so shy about having a larger cooling unit. If it is not meant to be mobile, just make it as large as it needs to be to get the noise and performance benefits of water cooling. I had a large “desktop replacement” laptop for about 6 months. I flew multiple times with it on multi week business trips and it was terrible. The weight and size were so cumbersome. I now have a Lenovo legion go to travel with. I can’t imagine trying to bring this leaky mess with me.

[@diablorojo3887]

That sweet 2 FPS boost...

[@Joel-st5uw]

Not applying LM to both surfaces is NOT "fine". If I buy a product that comes with LM installed, it better be a LM application that follows the manufacturer's guidelines, and this is not that. Totally unacceptable, XMG.

[@Obie327]

Interesting concept with some niggling issues. I personally use a good cooling pad with my 13950HX MSI Raider 17 with decent enough results. Using a big fan, More secure connection, And better software controls and adjust-ability would make this perfect kit. Thanks derBauer and XMG for this review.

[@Hugh_I]

Pretty cool concept. All the pain points could easily be fixed with some different clamping mechanism, a plug and some software improvements. But while cool, I would rather just not put a CPU that sucks up 200W+ in an flipping mobile device. That's already unreasonable for (non-HEDT) desktop. Just make a notebook with a 7945HX3D and safe yourself from all the headache.

[@nileshepler854]

Thank you for actually using pubg in your benchmarks for various combinations of hardware. One of the only games that i play in my time off.

[@fu1r4]

A user would never be able to handle this if it is so easy to get it to leak.

[@briankleinschmidt3664]

Hard no. That magnetic connector is just an awful idea from the start. What were they thinking?

[@abzzeus]

why use bluetooth? you have to connect the water pipes anyway so why not have wired / usb control

[@oscar21781]

yeah that's a really weird solution. Probably the cheapest option rather than making that middle pin that connects to the laptop some type of sensor pin or usb

[@MrPruske]

7:55 well i want one that DOESNT need BT connectivity to work. i thought it just used the dc coming in after detecting a load or something

[@therobotguide]

Tear down was interesting to see internal hardware

[@NikitaNikitaNikita]

unfortunately you cant relay on pubg training mode for compare FPS because its depend for many options, people on map etc. better way you can run replay of one previous match for different tests. in that case you get sililar situations and get actual numbers.

[@siberx4]

I'm not clear on why they even _have_ quick connectors at the radiator end of this assembly. Surely that part would remain stationary, and you only need the quick connects at the laptop end? Why introduce an extra flow restriction and point of failure for no benefit? I see in their comment it's done this way to minimize the chance of pulling the laptop off the table if you somehow knock the unit off the desk, but surely the quick disconnect at the laptop end would detach in that scenario, would it not? Even if it doesn't, I'd much rather have a secure solution that isn't liable to leak coolant all over my desk just because I put some slight torque on the connection, and take the personal responsibility to _not knock the unit off my desk._

[@chuckthetekkie]

What I don't understand is since you are tethered to the external box anyway why not use a wired data cable instead of Bluetooth.

[@ComputerGeeks-R-Us]

Great critique!

[@zombie-mechanic]

Bad connector solution, with old way plugged will better expect if we had more space desk in a front of laptop, but we use laptop not always in a dinning table

[@SmaybeViolet]

Hi Roman, thanks for the fantastic video. A few thoughts though - for testing fps in PUBG, its best to not use training mode. I find that you get more FPS in training mode, though it also varies with the number of players in the lobby. Perhaps use a replay to test instead, for more repeatable results? Would be great if you could make a video just for PUBG tuning. I find issues with frame time consistency and microstutter even with a 7950X3D and 4090. I had my case signed by you in a previous convention at LTT a few years back. Thanks for everything!

[@luzhang2982]

Very cool. Of course there's (unexpected) issues when treading somewhere new. Love the cat content too!

[@zuilok]

You know I understand the point of water cooling. However as an oldtimer I just couldnt bring myself to bring any liquid anywhere near any of my PCs.

[@mexicanhalloween]

they need to use the displayport latching mechanism and also provide a latching cap for transport, you could probably have a combined cap and drain/fill tool

[@noth606]

Wut? DP has the sh*ttiest latching of any connector that ever made it to full production. I'd beat the sh*t out of whoever came up with the DP latch if I had the chance, it's far worse than nothing. It's a badly fitting bastard brother of HDMI at best, I prefer HDMI over DP since HDMI at least is easy to plug in and out, DP will latch but NOT make a connection properly so often that it's automatic to assume it'll need to be adjusted every time almost. DVI at least had the screw things and was secure although anyone who's ever tried to pull a DVI out of a cable soup will know what is wrong with it.

[@michaelthompson9798]

14:17 I see the boss 🐈🥰is making the rounds and ensuring Roman is on top of things 🫡🤭. Interesting design ….. although sone tweaking of the connector on the pump end is needed imo🤔and a very good performing laptop indeed 💪😇👍

[@IcecalGamer]

On the Bay Side there could have been 2 thumb screws like in the D-SUB (vga) or DVI ports. You can hang an entire mid-tower by the DVI cable if it's screwed in properly; don't ask how i know.

[@spookytofu2078]

On the last run, there were no players on your screen, thus the cpu wasn't boosting to 5ghz as it didnt need to, and because there werent any players on your screen, you will have more fps. It wouldve been much more consistent had you tested it like the previous two runs

[@RichardDower]

I left a like for the additional cat content 😊

[@bismuth7730]

That quick connect was not designed by an engineer. No way.

[@phatminhphan4121]

13:25 , XMG :" Supprised 😆 "

[@garreth123]

Maybe the draining is necessary to avoid the water reaching boiling temperatures without the water circulation?

[@sativagirl1885]

Please obtain an abacus (w/o RGB) to tabulate benchmark results.

[@1_2_die2]

Never enough cat content ^^

I personally am not a fan of solutions like this. They seem messy and tacked on. If it was part of the docking station that would be cleaner, get rid of the tubing etc. Also I suspect the reason they require you to drain the loop on the laptop is the high working temperatur of modern processors and GPU's The water is not that fare of boiling if the CPU and GPU is running at max temperatur so expansion is probably a problem. But I think they could solve that with a small ackumulator tank that any thermal loop would have, power plant, home heating or AIO's. From what I seen some AIO radiators have a rubber ackumulator plug that can move and allow the water to expand and contract and not damage the AIO from over pressure.

[@cliftonsr]

So glad I subscribed to Roman’s channel

[@killer01ws6]

Cool vid and always great detail and views along with recommendations. I would like to see a more robust version of this for desktop applications to boost a AIO or in place of.

[@Nightykk]

Finally, some more proper content - cat content. Still what I signed up for!

[@puciohenzap891]

Oh boy *grabs popcorn*

[@AceStrife]

Still crazy to me that 2 takes are done for different languages. That AI translated video was surprisingly good. Wonder how much time it would free up to only produce one video but use the AI for the other.

[@georgioszampoukis1966]

why make the tubes detachable from the cooling unit ??? it just creates 2 points of failure and servers no benefit

[@thepetesuprize3126]

Hate when companies lie about their products

[@mariesvilmy5680]

yeah need at least a screw to tighten it

[@cassmelendez1279]

Everyday you should drain & replace the water for better performance

[@TheMixerCel]

Honeywell is there. It's on memory chips.

[@jackass315]

this would be nice to have , i remember back in the 00s playing crisis warhead on my a laptop/ sudo desktop with battery it just couldn't quite keep itself cool , i put it on the carboard from the packaging with a hole under the fan intake to for more clearance and it was better , but having water-cooling when its in gaming is a very cool idea , shame about that connection though , id be tempted to somehow make a clip for it or something

[@bretthake7713]

Hi just curious why does it say "werbevideo" in the corner? I googled a translation and it says "advertising" video, does this mean the XMG Neo was provided in exchange for the video? Great content as always. I love what you do and appreciate the time you spend making english versions for us ✌️

[@luclizzard2488]

Thumbs up for adding cat content :)

[@cliftonsr]

I would like to see a mini HVAC system plate to set the laptop on so it would blow cooler dry air up into the bottom of the laptop inlet vents with no mess.

[@NobbsAndVagene]

A pump unit needing bluetooth is rarted. Why would they do this?

[@Chef_-xv7ms]

Thank you!

[@keibohow69]

you should run a test after using laptop with water cooling, run laptop after disconnecting loop but not drain it. run cinebench for an hour.

[@nicolailudecke2713]

happy Eastern

[@Pillokun]

If u want a gaming laptop then I dont understand why they are so slim. I mean thickness is not that important anymore, and it being quiet and still having good perf is the most important factor. For instance I had the org g14 and albeit I thought the perf was phenomonal as it basically was almost as fast as my 3700x cpu wise it was so loud, so imagine if it was just 2cm or say an inch thicker... it would have solved to much issues for a gaming laptop.

[@MrShadow1617]

Part of the thickness craze is also the weight. Adding 20-25 mm thickness to a laptop can increase the weight of it quite a bit, making it harder to transport/take it around with you. That difference in metal air cooler height can be significant in terms of weight.

[@Pillokun]

@@MrShadow1617 increased weight is a given if u want a gaming laptop. not like u would walk around with such a machine like if it was a tablet or a netbook, ie holding it in your hand while walking around the office/home and showing stuff on it to the people around u. U basically have a bag or backpack for a gaming laptop if u want to move it to/from a lanparty or an office.

[@Aruneh]

What a truly silly thing. A laptop with watercooling.

[@krystiandomagala4929]

You should review the new MSI Titan 18HX. Up to 39000 in Cinebench and up to 240W for the CPU and GPU standard 175W.

[@alpenfoxvideo7255]

regarding those Seasonic fans... why all that wasted space? feels like i'm buying a 110mm fan

[@johnhudson7055]

What the heck? I clicked on this for the cat. 😢 Ok just saw the cat, I spoke too soon. 😅

[@ivangerginov5648]

Cool product, definitely not polished enough to see the market just yet though. The company can be as defensive as they want, but this is still rushed and full of problems that need to be addressed.

[@MD_Builds]

The concept of detachable watercooling for a high powered laptop is a good idea. But the implementation here is awful! Firstly why are they using a wireless system to use the external controller? You already are tethering pipes. Why not add some spring loaded connectors too... And securing the pipes is.... BAD. at the very least should be screws at the very least. Something that solidly locks them in.

[@ckling217]

Cat content is good content! You did well, too.

[@norbertnagy4468]

Some testing on the PTM 7950 would be so nice from you

[@AsthmaQueen]

What happens if say your cat or something knocks the stationary unit or the tubing and pulls it out? Does it just leak out everything in the laptop side?

[@colorblindest]

I’m here for the cat content

[@IvanRamazanov]

The sense of why water should be drained from laptop: if water connector will be disconnected at idle state, we have full pipes (or whatever they use inside) of water at T ~ 22°C. Then, if laptop starts some work, water inside the cutted off section of the liquid loop will heat up, and therefore pressure will raise (since pipe is full and liquid is almost incomressable). And at some point, either QCDC gasket will leak or the pipe will burst. In theory, they can add pressure relief valve, but where it should drain the water? outside of the case or inside? In either case angry youtubers will ride outrage ponies...

[@janedagger]

I'm at the water leak and just laughing my ass off. But, it is a 'production' model and I bet they fix that pretty quickly. I especially like the response from xmg..tha's pretty 'cool'..pun intended.

[@BigJeezie]

Eluktronics hit hardest….

[@25MHzisbest]

Sony need to be asked why they used liquid metal. The console needs a strip service after 2 years of use due to the use of it!

[@Daniele858585]

I want fan control, mark. I buyed argus monitor to have a decent fan controls on software :\ The asus software was terrible :x

[@mrtruman8537]

I get like 37k on r23 on 13980HX and air lmao