Everything Wrong With 8-Bit Sonic Games

[@Charriii5]

Also to my 🇧🇷 BRAZILIAN FRIENDS 🇧🇷 if you can help me find a copy of the Tectoy Sonic Blast, complete in box with manual, I'd appreciate it! Muito obrigado!

[@elizabethescalante7866]

Merry Christmas Charriii! Hope you have people close to you to celebrate with! And here's hoping you get to sinning The Simpsons soon, REALLY want to here your impression of Apu and Cletus's accents! 🤣🤣🤣

[@thebrazillianguytm2186]

Oh hi there Charri o7, I have been watching your content for a while, just never comented before because... well, I din't had anything to comment, sowwy :p I actually had a cartridge of Sonic Blast for the Master System(not the full box tough, cuz.. am... reason.. hehe), but I gave it to my newer nephew, and now he's living in another state, he really liked the game, so I figured why not Tectoy has a funny history when it comes to games, why funny? Well, they made a rom hack of Wonder Boy and turned it into a Mônica's Gang game, they also hacked another game that I don't recall the name, but they turned it into Chapolin Colorado's, damn, they also made a Woody Woodpecker game, however this one they made from the ground up(you can tell that much by playing it) They also selled FREAKING NIGHTMARE CIRCUS HERE, WTF

[@noblewolf6265]

so...in sonic pocket adventure, you can f*ck up at the final boss

[@Real_cinderace]

Can you do sonic advance 1/ 2 and 3 next

[@desensitizedanalyser5624]

You now have a vtuber model?

[@Robotcardude]

"Why is Sonic in car? He can fast more than vehicle." -Charriii5 2022

[@markofthewolvessucks8930]

🤣

[@MrZongalito]

It's not about being faster than a car Is about being faster on a car

[@najadamu2724]

Vehicles are incapable of fasting because they have neither mouths nor the desire to eat food.

[@Swagpion]

No, it's a random commentor

[@eljaminlatour6633]

Sonic can't fast because he likes chili dogs.

[@mayborneflower]

37:00 - This one requires the manual again. Long story short, Eggman found a napping Sonic and tried to shoot him in his sleep. He missed and broke a Chaos Emerald that happened to be nearby, breaking it five ways and sending the fragments flying around the region. This commotion woke Sonic up and Eggman cut his losses in favor of getting the Emerald back together for his latest scheme. And Knuckles is just there because.

[@QuadFactor21]

Only the Japanese manual explains this. The US manual basically says: "Robotnik's up to no good again. Stop him." and doesn't even mention the emerald shattering.

[@elhugox1]

So, Eggman IQ of 300 Can build machines that defy reality... can't hit a sleeping target

[@redparrotgaming8060]

@@elhugox1 hey, just because he's intelligent doesn't mean he has good aim...or any aim for that matter, bro is worse than a storm trooper

[@EggsBenedict39]

I'm sorry, robotnik tried to WHAT

[@mayborneflower]

@@EggsBenedict39 He tried to dome Sonic in his sleep, and missed.

[@miniluv7330]

Timestamps for every “No, no, see, it’s different because…” 8:20 Green Hills (Sonic 2) 12:06 Turquoise Hill (Chaos) 13:17 Mecha Green Hill (Chaos) 20:25 Green Hill (Drift) 21:49 Great Turquoise (Triple Trouble) 27:21 Emerald Hill (Drift 2) 37:09 Green Hill (Blast) 43:24 Neo South Island (Pocket Adventure)

[@dylanaruto20]

You missed Mecha-Green Hill

[@miniluv7330]

@@dylanaruto20 K thanks

[@mattalan6618]

@@miniluv7330 i watched the whole video shit breath

[@doozy5184]

Since the games mostly take place on South Island, I'm wondering if they actually are supposed to just be Green Hill zone but with slightly different scenery.

[@KrisSystemFailure]

This are my favorite bits throught the whole video lmao.

[@GatorOne-in7hk]

You missed a sin for Sonic Chaos’ final boss. Once it’s defeated, you have to follow Eggman to another screen lock, and then you have to hit him one last time as he shoots back and forth across the screen. And not only does he occasionally change altitudes to throw you off, he kills you INSTANTLY if you get hit! As if that wasn’t bad enough, you can’t even hit him immediately, you HAVE to dodge his swoops for a set amount of times and only THEN does he become vulnerable. How is he able to kill you in one hit anyway?! It’s JUST the Egg Mobile!!

[@inazumarai7690]

i heard charriii's voice as i was reading this

[@marx4538]

That's what makes it one of the only good 2D sonic final bosses, this kind of stuff is what makes it fun

[@cian.o]

Sounds like something avgn would say. With more swears.

[@GatorOne-in7hk]

@@marx4538 There’s a big difference between fun and cheap.

[@marx4538]

@@GatorOne-in7hk It's not cheap, rings make most bosses essentially impossible to lose to. The 3D games introduced far harder bosses to deal with and also added ranks, but most of the 2D ones before Dimps had horrible bosses that could be crushed in seconds. Some of the GG bosses are the only exceptions to that as they require proper memorization and since their healthbars are small, it's fine for them to be able to use an instant-kill attack

[@Iris_Descent]

Fuji 1 Goh is just one of those mysteries that have gone unsolved for nearly 30 years, and will probably continue to be for decades... Kinda like the good ending requirements for Golden Axe 3.

[@ShaimingLong]

As for why that choice of wording was used, I have no idea, but I always took it as an awkward "Three, Two, One, Go!" Which given you hold the buttons during the window of time before a cannon fires, it makes some sense.

[@Iris_Descent]

A friend of mine has the possible answer. It might be read in English as "Fuji Number 1", referring to "lead Fuji", that being the lead ship of the Fuji class of battleships. Battleships are associated with cannons, and we're in the Labyrinth of the Sea. It's super convoluted, but it might as well be our only answer...

[@realsupernova222]

@@Iris_Descent Who the fuck is supposed to get that? Sherlock fuckin Holmes?

[@sagacious03]

@@Iris_Descent Could it be a case of Goroawase numbers?

[@emiiisan]

@@sagacious03 I thought it could be that, but the numbers I got for "Fuji Ichi Gou" were 2215, 22150, 21015, 210150 and I don't know what the relevance of those could be (most likely 2215)

[@generichumansperson5747]

The "ITS ENOUGH SLICES!!!" Had me dying lol

[@Handshoes-and-horsegrenades]

8-bit Sonic Spinball telling me to go to sleep made me laugh way harder than it should have.

[@WohaoG]

N O W G O T O S L E E P

[@l_rbuttons]

That's basically the nice version of "Go touch some grass."

[@undertaleislife7210]

If I played through spinball I’d probably need some sleep

[@jamiegioca9448]

We interrupt Sonic Spinball to bring you Jeff the Killer

[@smt64productions40]

Sonic: Go the fuck to sleep

[@genemelendez8157]

“Alright, who puts springs in the middle of a damn” The funny thing is, some of those moments were in a forest like area. I don’t know why forest was cut for some of them

[@vito6197]

Can someone send me the link for where this sound originated?

[@allegro446]

@@vito6197 Watch the Sonic Shorts series. It was in one of them

[@zigzagintrusion]

@@allegro446Thank you! I’ve been looking for like, a week

[@iamcringeO_O]

13:50 tho

[@darkaura9559]

“What do you mean *mimics noise*?” already had me laughing my ass off! My thoughts when I first played that game…

[@darkaura9559]

Also, I didn’t even know the first boss even charges at you, cause I’ve always defeated it before it got to that point… Pathetic excuse for a boss fight…

[@realsupernova222]

@@darkaura9559 If you played the Game Gear version, that boss is even more pathetic.

[@darkaura9559]

@@realsupernova222 That is the one I played. Never the Master System version. Didn’t know there was a difference…

[@realsupernova222]

@@darkaura9559 the Game Gear version's screen makes the boss lower than in the master system. Making it easier to just cheap shot Eggman like there's no tomorrow.

[@wesdert]

@@realsupernova222 You ever played the remake versions of the sms games?

[@ShadowGunR]

Shadow: Where's that damn FOURTH chaos emerald? 8-bit Sonic: P A T H E T I C

[@franknova987]

The fact that the Anniversary comics explained that Sonic wanted to learn how to drive was for a chilly dog prize on a car race

[@alvaroperez2349]

This is why Sonic Started out in 16-bit.

[@AceTSBG]

yep

[@shannongrummisch8881]

I honestly didn’t even know that there was an 8-bit era for Sonic games

[@Toadallythebest]

It really is the NEXT level

[@Pinkio]

i guess Sonic couldn't have worked too well if SEGA competed against Nintendo's NES, as the time when the first Sonic game was released the SNES was already around in some places (i mention this because back then these two companies were practically rivals)

[@martha5211]

Oh

[@mypkamax]

[33:35] I might be mistaken, but I think "Fuji 1 Goh" is supposed to mean "Emergency No. 1" (不時１号), the aforementioned "Emergency No. 1" being the first (and only) bonus door.

[@justinc.5591]

“Isn’t it bullshit that your map is like half the screen?” *Super Mario Kart sweats nervously*

[@martha5211]

Yep its stuped

[@sboinkthelegday3892]

What, gameplay with visuals, instead of being confined to a car with no rear view mirror? Every twin stick shooter is 100% map then. Exactly the same gameplay as Doom, but failed to implement a rendering engine layer that can be ported onto ANYTHING. There were games like that on Atari Lynx, you have no excuse.

[@wesdert]

@@sboinkthelegday3892 What the actual hell.. you could of said somethin like ""Mayro kartz is oldezz!!"" Or ""you get more screen than conk draft""

[@lilypyrope4620]

The added benefit of this compilation is that we have a mini compilation of Charii's "No no but actually it's different"

[@heroessquad2019]

You missed a sin: In Pocket Adventure, why is Eggman changed to his "modern-clothing" in Gigantic Angel Zone Act 2? The entire game, he was in his classic clothing. So, what made him say "Ah yes! Time to change my drip to a superior one!"?

[@smt64productions40]

He is a Supervillain, presentation is everything If you know, you know

[@heroessquad2019]

@@smt64productions40 Fair.

[@alexthacker3394]

It's because the backdrop and boss itself is from advance.

[@Tyedyeninja04productions]

Finally! Someone addresses the silver sonic name issue.

[@vito6197]

This is my updated headcanon for the whole Robotic Sonic doppelganger situation: After Eggman realizing that any of his regular badniks and he himself can't defeat Sonic. He decides to make a robot specifically made to deal with Sonic. The one big feat Sonic had and what Robotnik, his Badniks, and his mechs lack was speed. So, he needed this robot to keep up, no, surpass Sonic's speed. He proceeds to give this robot the following feats: The ability to break metallic spikes, the ability to fly, and the ability to boost at supersonic speeds. He also builds this robot in Sonic's image for added irony and names him "Metal Sonic". All though Metal was able to keep up with Sonic, he was not fast enough to outrun Sonic for long. Another thing that led Metal to his downfall, was his lack in durability. After Metal's failure, the doctor accepts the fact that nothing can outrun the blue blur. So, he makes a robotic Sonic that is more fit for combat. He gives this Robotic Sonic the ability to fly, made him more durable, gave him stretchy hand, and (after seeing Sonic spindash) he gives him the ability to spindash. I like to think that Silver Sonic was made during the events of the game and was rushed to be finished by Robotnik. So he builds Silver Sonic with the materials he had. Which explains why Sonic easily bounced him in his ball form in the air, it was because he was very light due to the materials he was built with. Sonic then defeated him and the doctor was not really surprised due to the making of Silver Sonic being rushed. Robotnik knew that if the making of Silver Sonic wasn't rushed, Silver Sonic would've stood a chance against Sonic. So he decided to just make a better version of Silver Sonic. Mecha Sonic (MK1) was made after the events of 8bit Sonic 2 and Sonic Chaos. Mecha Sonic had the same ability to fly and the ability to spindash like Silver Sonic, but was bigger, more durable, stronger, heavier, spikier, and had the ability to shoot his metal quils. Due to him being heavier and spikier, Sonic wouldn't be able to bounce him back mid-air. Despite all these improvements, Like all of it's other robo Hedgie Brothers, Mecha Sonic MK 2 gets defeated by not only Sonic and Tails, but Knuckles too. After Robotnik loses to Hyper Sonic, he lands in the middle of the ocean with nothing and Mecha Sonic was abandoned. Since he no longer has or even know what happened to Mecha Sonic MK 2, he just assumes Mecha failed to Sonic and starts from scratch again. He was on the right track when making Mecha Sonic MK 2, so he just does the same thing but better. Since he doesn't have Mecha MK 2, he just uses one of his other designs instead. He chooses Metal Sonic since he was the best of what he had and gets to rebuilding him and giving him Mecha Sonic's feats. Despite Metal Sonic failing multiple times against Sonic and his friends since then, Eggman still kept using him. He tried designing a different Robotic Sonic (SA1's mysterious Robotic Sonic), but scrapped that idea.

[@greenlightning6803]

Now I’m not the one who made this theory but a lot of people including me like to think that there are two separate lines of robot doppelgängers eggman makes there is the mecha line and the metal line while metal is the one eggman used to perfectly match sonic the mecha line is the one where eggman uses to experiment on new ideas hence mecha sonic mecha mk II and if you really wanna get technical about it rocket metal from sonic the fighters is actually called mecha sonic mk29 as seen if you zoom in on the words on his head not too mention it’s no secret that eggman experimented with some pretty wacky creations in the early days of the franchise so who knows this could be not to far fetched

[@michaelpopowich5095]

@@vito6197 on the SA1 sonic robot clone he's called Silver Sonic 2.0 and he was used but only in one of the comic series arcs (there was also a legion of Metal Sonics as well in its own arc as well I just realized the comics are kinda like a book version of a Sonic X episode I think there's even a Sonic X comic not sure correct me if I'm wrong and in the comics one of the sonic and all stars racing games is canon because it has a comic and such I think it was transformed not sure look it up for me maybe idk) but this one was defeated then reprogrammed by the city's scientist (or mechanic idk) as a protector of the area until he went missing (even the comic has no idea where he went! Was he destroyed, reclaimed by Eggman no one knows not even the fandom or the comic creators know) so yeah this is the only robot sonic that wasn't destroyed (or that we know of to be destroyed) and just disappeared never to be seen again

[@ShaimingLong]

@@michaelpopowich5095 Don't use comics as an official source for stuff the games didn't provide enough information about. They're essentially glorified fan-fics. The SA1 mystery mech Sonic is just a Mecha Godzilla reference. Also, the only 'official' name that's been provided for the Mega Drive/Genesis mecha Sonic is Robo Sonic, but that's if you can trust a Lego game as an official source.

[@michaelpopowich5095]

@@ShaimingLong true but in a way these fanfics are versions of other universes or dimensions so hey could be canon some other timeline yeah even I admit the theory of dimensions is a bit confusing and is a bit boosh but in truth anything is possible really

[@Cybertasm8798]

Something you forgot to mention in 8-bit Sonic 2 is that in the bad ending, Sonic is sunning alone in the credits and it ends with him looking into the sky at Tails. THAT MEAND THAT TAILS IS DEAD AND EGGMAN KILLED HIM!

[@ShaimingLong]

Except in the good ending both Sonic and Tails are in the sky, yet they're both still alive.

[@EEVEE_fan16]

@@ShaimingLong yes but in the bad ending we dont see tails at all until that scene and they dont tell us what happened . And considering eggman in future would BLOW UP THE MOON JUST TO THREATEN PEOPLE , i dont think he would miss an occasion to kill sonic’s best friend

[@HruMan360]

It would be dumb to kill someone powerful for no reason, considering Tails's abilities I assume Eggman made him into a robot similar to the cyborg Tails in Lost World

[@diabolivirtusen-tavares-ea4392]

KZbin User Whoisthisgit had a field day with this one...

[@realsupernova222]

@@HruMan360 He straight up said he would strangle a Zeti. I wouldn't put it past him if he DID kill Tails at that moment in time.

[@matthewbrooks5470]

5:51 I don't know whether Charriii noticed this or not, but Tails only blinks one eye, and definitely not in an "even remotely resembles winking" kind of way...

[@ChaseMC215]

Tails is drunk

[@Supersonic6427]

I have a lot of memories playing these games on Sonic Adventure DX for the Gamecube. These games were really enjoyable.

[@Allisan-VT]

I agree... don't think anyone else will tough

[@gaspardsavoureux8680]

Getting full ass retro 8 bit games as rewards in SA DX was the coolest thing

[@HalfDuck]

The 8bit games were the reason I bought SADX as a kid. But then I found out they were the badly crunched Game Gear version and enjoyed the main game way more

[@alangivens]

13:50 The amount of continues they give you says alot.

[@comicfan1324]

Honestly I’m surprised there wasn’t a sin in sonic drift questioning why Amy’s car is alive. Personally my head canon explanation is that the car is a kind of reformed badbik, but that’s never been hinted towards and it’s just something I do to justify it.

[@MrRuePine]

Not to mention, there wasn't a sin about Amy owning a car yet she's *8* in the classic era. And Tails too, he's like, 4 or so, which makes even less sense. And everyone else, except Eggman. I think Eggman and Metal Sonic (he's a robot, so the importance of age is null) are the only ones old enough to drive.

[@justinc.5591]

@@MrRuePine Tails can fly a plane so it’s not surprising he can drive a car as well. But the others I agree with.

[@michaelpopowich5095]

@@justinc.5591 How do you know? Haven't you heard of suspension of disbelief? Yes Johnny yes I have now shut up! But being serious yeah that doesn't make much sense then again Amy is an alien (because of the Little Planet) and Miles "Tails" Prower is a Child Genius so I could say that makes sense for them to be able to do so since rules are probably different on Little Planet and Sonic's world says sure we'll apply her license to that too and let her use it and reapply for it when it expires but then again this is the Sonic franchise when has it ever explained that in any of the past games so yeah idk don't ask me and not to mention Tails is a genius so he probably booshed his way to getting a license because he's so smart and probably did the same for sonic so yeah that's my theory idk Sonic Team and Sega don't explain shit most of the time so there's that

[@Zonefire15]

@@MrRuePine its called game logic, it's not supposed to make sense.

[@MrRuePine]

@@Zonefire15 Yes, I know that on one hand. I was only half-joking with my point. I wasn't being serious with it.

[@cheezitlawd]

11:34 At this part, if you don’t have any chaos emeralds or only 1, which is super easy to miss them, then Tails doesn’t appear in this scene. What instead happens is Sonic runs alone, and at the end of the credits, he sees a starry picture of Tails. Which might imply that Tails was killed! Did I also mention this game is E for Everyone?

[@TTTEandStuff]

6:43 eggman saved sonic to kill sonic himself and not the lava

[@therhythmdragon]

40:17 You didn't take damage from the Robotnik monitor because the invincibility frames from the spikes were still active at that point.

[@TOSTCEM]

Small (possible) correction! They may have been working on CD’s JP theme *before* releasing the game (CD), so then they could’ve just put it here in Green Hills, considering CD was in development in ‘92.

[@deltamudkip]

Also the 8-bit games were made like, simultaneously to their 16-bit counterparts, I think they even released on the same day in 1 and 2's cases.

[@TOSTCEM]

1st, thanks for giving my small theory some weight, and 2nd, great pfp! Who drew it? You or someone else?

[@MFNLY]

You gotta love the fact that in Sonic Spinball 8 bit, the sound that plays when you begin a level is not only played when you beat a level, die in a level, but what's funnier is the fact that it plays in the results screen, and it's also used for the continue sound. It's literally reused 4 times XD

[@neomodulo]

As an epileptic, I wanted to note that even the speed the screen flashes in the sin for Labyrinth may still be problematic for some people. Photosensitivity varies. Also, you missed a couple other instances of flashing lights throughout the video, like in Sonic 2. Might be better to set emulators/footage to a frameskip setting, or simply show pictures to eliminate the flashing altogether. Still, appreciate the effort looking out for us, just giving more info!

[@MrMariosonicman]

6:48 is so funny just how massive of a difficulty spike this boss is on the game gear version, screen crunch doesnt usually effect bossess too much, but that boss is one exception and it can go to hell for all the crap it caused child me playing it on sonic adventure DX.

[@Segvent]

There is nothing wrong with Tails Adventure. It is a peak, highly polished and well constructed masterpiece starring the greatest fictional war criminal in Gaming History. Also R A I D O.

[@thePoetDominic]

YES ❤

[@ethantreadway9478]

It’s very creative i’d love to see Christian White make a sequel!

[@ChiefsKingdomW]

this is the wrong video

[@fieryyoshi1337]

21:02 "Why is Sonic in car? He can fast more than vehicle." - Charriii5 2022

[@eljaminlatour6633]

The slow shoes in Sonic Labyrinth concept was recycled in Sonic Boom, where Eggman gives new shoes to Sonic and then a robot by Eggman attacks them and Tails observed that the speed of Sonic himself is actually aiding the robot attacking him, Sonic grew aware but he couldn't take them off.

[@ChaseMC215]

All because of an ear piercing noise that happens every time Sonic runs in that episode.

[@cliffturbo2146]

12:40 Some of the best sins of Charriii5.

[@Snyan26]

I love how in triple trouble, there's no sin in Sunset Park Zone, it's too perfect even for an 8-bit game.

[@thePoetDominic]

YES ❤

[@EEVEE_fan16]

They made it even better in the fanmade remaster

[@WaterKirby1994]

If we ever get Sonic Mania 2 it needs to have Sunset Park as 1 of the returning zones. As fans we are tired of getting the same levels thrown at us repeatedly (even if Mania did great work with Chemical Plant Act 2), yet what about the overlooked zones? You have to wonder why Sonic Mania 2 hasn't happened yet? Sunset Park is the definitive best zone of 8-Bit Sonic Games & it would be nice to see it used or referenced more.

[@BloodThirstyAvengers]

@@WaterKirby1994 I think the Great Clement had a similar comment about Sonic Generations 3DS. When he got to Water Palace, originally a Sonic Rush level that isn't present in the Xbox/PS3 versions, he was disappointed that it was the only handheld-exclusive level. We could have had things like Bridge Zone (Sonic 1 GG) or Music Plant (Advance 2) or... I dunno, like... White Castle? They likely wouldn't include a Sonic Blast level but still, we could have had more handheld-only levels in the 3DS version.

[@numbertumbers529]

The reveal of Eggman's victory in Sonic Labyrinth drove more emotion into me than Sonic Forces ever could.

[@soulbound2]

That's dumb

[@numbertumbers529]

@@soulbound2 ok and?

[@christopherblackburnn]

@@numbertumbers529 what happened

[@wesdert]

@@numbertumbers529 Bruh he deleted his comment LMAOOO

[@ERINCHAMPION5000]

The sonic Drift sins were pretty funny, just the delivery on the last bit of sins just gave me a good chuckle. I really love the reoccurring joke on all of these is "Nah, you see, it's different cause-" on the green hill stages, that made made me laugh. I can't say I played any of these games though I kinda wish I did, I probably might've liked them when I was a kid.

[@foxboxray]

You do not understand how relatable that "What do you mean eh-eh?!" is to me

[@heroessquad2019]

1:28 "An auto-scroller in a Sonic game?" "Yeah? Forgot about Sonic 3 & Knuckles? Lava Reef?"

[@christiansantiago5330]

That one was quick and fast

[@irishuisman1450]

It's possible that the emeralds were all blue in Spinball because it's set in the Archie universe. Sally and Bunnie appear in (I believe) bonus levels in the 16-bit version, and the 16 blue emeralds line up pretty well with how the emeralds were portrayed in early Archie

[@ericb3157]

reminds me of a comic i read where Archie and his friends were trapped in a videogame world, and Archie had to fight BOWSER! if i remember, he cheated by using a magical surfboard to cross the lava, then cut the bridge.

[@seant1326]

I think the Emeralds were *_green_* in early Archie, prior to the other 6 colors being drawn from across the cosmos during the fight against A.D.A.M..

[@irishuisman1450]

@@seant1326 true, but I can't really think of a much better explanation for why there's so many of them and why they're all the same color

[@ryanwebb309]

I think the reason is because, in the Japanese manual for the game, it explains that Mobius is a different planet and has its own set of Chaos Emeralds.

[@Mamaluigi13]

“Aosth Robotnik with white eyes isn’t real, he can’t hurt you” 27:07 Aosth Robotnik with white eyes

[@speedhog58]

Fun tid-bit about Pocket Adventure, Eggman actually transitions from his classic look to what is basically his modern one (minus goggles), its a cool bit of transition between eras.

[@noahspeedz2295]

6:58 I remember reading the Sonic and Mega Man crossover comic book that this picture was from. Upon seeing this, I felt nothing but pure nostalgia.

[@deltamudkip]

I meanwhile am quite the fan of Sonic 1 8-bit even with its flaws. Part of that is cuz of the KILLER soundtrack, by none other than *Yuzo Koshiro*; it helps the whole game give off this weirdly pleasant vibe for me. Another funny but charming thing to me is the devteam: according to the credits there were like five people involved TOTAL, one of whom is Koshiro's sister, and in fact the studio itself, Ancient Corp, was started by him and his mom because Sega didn't want to do a contract with just one person. They still make games to this day actually, though with more than five people I'd presume; currently they're making a shmup for the Genesis! Also the Game Gear version of the game is easier: they adjusted a lot of level design bits and even boss fights to accommodate for its smaller screen, and as part of that Jungle Zone 2 lets you fall down without dying and the Labyrinth Zone chaos emerald is now a freebie, if I remember right.

[@Zonefire15]

As for it being a killer soundtrack I can tell you that its version of Scrap Brain is so many times better than the 16 bit version. Bridge, Jungle, and Sky Base Zone are great too.

[@WaterKirby1994]

Gamegear Sonic 1 was better than the 16-Bit Game on MegaDrive/Genesis if you ask me. That music & not having to deal with Tumble World Special Stages are why I preferred 8-Bit for the 1st Sonic Game at least before Whitehead came & made the definitive 16-Bit Sonic 1.

[@dbzenthusiast8152]

11:46 you should’ve added in how if you don’t collect all the chaos emeralds in this game, it’s assumed that tails is dead. In the credits section, sonic runs by himself instead of having tails with him, and when the game ends, he looks up and sees tails in the sky, which makes it seem like as if robotnik killed him. I know it seems way too far fetched, but he has tried to kill sonic and the others before.

[@ChaseMC215]

But it wouldn't make sense because even IF you collected all of the chaos emeralds, when Sonic and Tails looked up, Sonic and Tails' faces are in the sky as well, despite them being alive.

[@michealhunt6607]

That first boss in the Game Gear version of Sonic 2 is a nightmare

[@OrigamiAhsoka]

That’s so strange that they went backwards in technology. They already, uh, had their issues already so it’s hilarious watching them backtrack

[@TheZombersLMAO]

The songs are bangers tho Unused marble goes hard

[@markofthewolvessucks8930]

@@TheZombersLMAO Sonic Labyrinth Act 2 goes hard also.

[@wolfgangervin2582]

You have to remember that these were developed for a handheld that just happens to have the guts of a Master System (although the Master System's utter dominance over the legit gaming space in Brazil may also been a factor).

[@beserker989]

As a Kid, Jungle zone's boss made me break my controller out of anger, that level was very infuriating XP

[@partyfoxdavy]

Fun fact: if you wanna beat the bosses in the classic games "remember the bosses behavior pattern!"

[@misterzygarde6431]

When I was younger, for some reason I really wanted to get Sonic Blast when it got a page on the 3DS Eshop. Maybe it was because it wasn’t available compared to the other Game Gear Sonic games.

[@phorchybug3286]

I got blast on my 3DS too.

[@Zonefire15]

@@phorchybug3286 so do I

[@ibilesfighter3.16]

@@phorchybug3286 I unironocally loved it Yes I really said that

[@JoSephGD]

Fun fact about the Master System and GG: The Master System had a 6-bit color palette, falling in the middle of the capabilities of 8-bit systems in terms of color, and 31 colors could be displayed on screen at once. The Game Gear, on the other hand, had a 12-bit color palette that could display 32 colors at once, meaning it could display more colors than the Master System could. That's why Sonic Blast looks worse on the Master System.

[@locofolko]

10:20 glad this is being brought up because I'm adding fuel to the fire. In Sonic (Lego) Dimensions he's known as simply "robo sonic" and that was the last semicanon iteration of the mech from memory

[@DShy96]

Bruh, I didn't expect this but I'll take it.

[@doozy5184]

I never knew I could get the emerald in Sky High zone like that, I used the hang gliders to try to get to it and kept failing from not getting enough height.

[@JosephJohns-xi1qb]

Sonic Battle had all the emeralds as one color, but they were green. Knuckles also piloted a machine in Sonic Advance 2.

[@TailsGamer1992]

Thank you for remember us to the TecToy, in Sonic Spinball Brazilian Manual, they put in the Game Box saying the game have 5 levels! And all we know the game had just 4 levels!

[@ronalddavidrojas5795]

0:10 God I can hear the sound vibrations

[@mattwo7]

37:04 Not just any emerald, the Master Emerald. Although in this case, it's a Chaos emerald being splintered into Emerald Shards.

[@Muffinalot]

19:06 The item you collected says '見る’ (Miru) which means 'to look'. Based on the Japanese, and as someone who has never touched Sonic Spinball, I would say you likely had control of the camera at that point and could freely look around the machine with the D-Pad. Yeeeeah, not the most self-explanatory of items, especially if you don't read Japanese.

[@ibilesfighter3.16]

Ah Makes sense

[@giroandkarin2822]

I've been looking for the answer for while now. Thank you

[@ronalddavidrojas5795]

6:40 i've heard a really good theory that eggman did this because he didn't want the chaos emerald to melt/be stuck in the lava

[@GhidoraTim]

Or he wanted Sonic to collect the rest of the Chaos Emeralds so he could steal them from him at the end.

[@xxsegaxx]

40:23 Maybe it's because you still had invencibility frames and maybe the effect from the monitor is instantaneous just as you break it

[@SaddieMoon]

10:36 Fun fact, Archie Sonic called him Silver Sonic back in the Sonic’s Quest Mini Series. It’s probably where this misconception, even though I prefer the name, comes from.

[@aurorablaize]

The short invincibility frames are better than in the genesis version of Sonic 1 where you had NO invincibility frames when it came to spikes

[@jdh9419]

44:48 Allow me to explain. Knuckles thought (and was right that) you were going to steal his Chaos Emerald (he didn’t know you would give it back)

[@nicoexists]

I love how he flips back and forth between Eggman and Robotnik

[@thewhitefox6478]

@Charriii5...bonk bot

[@charleshaskell2056]

Something you didn't mention: in the Master System version of Sonic 1, (and maybe 2 I haven't played that) shields don't give you invincibility frames when you get hit.

[@mayborneflower]

I’m surprised you didn’t ding Sonic Pocket Adventure for some of its music choices, namely using Sky Sanctuary Zone for the true final boss.

[@The20thLetter-s4v]

21:11 Didn’t you say in other sonic videos that when knuckles appears he’s supposed to be guarding the master emerald. But here he is actually doing his job, but now it’s a sin for him not being there?

[@deltaquarayza]

These games may vary in quality, but I think we can all agree the 8-bit Labyrinth Zone theme is fire

[@Toadallythebest]

The second game might be the series' response to SMB: The Lost Levels

[@Mister_Oddity]

Now I feel like Mario Pinball land is Sonic Spin ball Both are bad Pinball

[@mayagoldberg3421]

Nah that’s sonic cd. Alternative sequel to sonic 1, a bit harder

[@id-f8679]

@@mayagoldberg3421 Sonic CD is way easier compared to The Lost Levels lmao.

[@mayagoldberg3421]

@@id-f8679 it still is a alternative sequel

[@id-f8679]

@@mayagoldberg3421 True

[@charismaentertainer1657]

Yeah, this is why I played sonic triple trouble 16-bit fan game rather then the original. It makes gang have a actual presence in game, explains knuckles being uncharacteristic, and have more of a plot including the emeralds while also making all levels much better.

[@overtale7254]

29:22 It took me a while to see it, but during that part where you're talking about the "Dr. Eggman Deluxe Speed-Down Boots", or whatever, in the subtitles when you say "You know what, fair game" in the subtitles, it says "Okay" before that sentence.

[@darkentity7981]

I'm surprised you didn't mention the Game Gear version of the Antlion fight (Sonic 2 first boss) specifically. Not only do you have the screen crunch to deal with, making it difficult to spot the cannonballs being thrown your way, they also have two different movement patterns. One pattern is fast moving and bouncing low close to the ground, and the other is slow moving and bouncing higher, similar to the master system version. The problem with that second one is the fact that they go bounce *off the screen* because of the screen crunch, making it even *harder* to avoid than usual. And because of that screen crunch, you just have less places to move and it's GG if you press down by accident and slide right into the boss.

[@TheGhostInThePhoto]

34:05 The only thing I could ever come up with was that “FUJI 1 GOH” might refer to the value of the rings in the bonus stage. In Japanese, “twenty” is just read as if it were “two ten” (ni-juu). “Fu-ji” could thus work as a representation twenty (“fu” is another way to read the number 2 and “ji” can be read as the number 10). “GOH” then would have to be five. 20+5=25. 25 is the value of whatever “1” refers to. “1” is the only number written with an Arabic numeral, and would have to refer to a different thing, in the case of my guess this would be the ring itself, rather than value. This would thus imply that each ring in the Bonus Stage is worth 25 rings. Given that the goal of the Bonus Stage is to collect as many rings as you can, knowing that each ring is worth 25 would be relevant. I personally think it’s a bit of a reach, but it’s the best I could do to even attempt to rationalize the hint. I also don’t like this rationalization, because it tells you something that could only possibly be guessed after already knowing that each ring is worth 25. Not that I completely put that kind of oversight past the game devs of the time, but, still, it seems unlikely.

[@no_less03]

45:09, truly peak physics right here. I think Knuckles played mk or something, they just needed to add "finish him" 😂

[@UndefeatableTwilightCatgirl]

So fun fact, the actual name for the Japanese opening to Sonic CD is "Sonic - You Can Do Anything". People always miss out the "Sonic" part of it.

[@chingi420]

This is one of the most funniest episodes I have watched. I love these series. 🤣

[@LIGHTNING1381]

29:46 This is straight up just the curse of unbinding enchantment from Minecraft and I LOOOOOVE it😂😂

[@tandris1085]

45:01 did anyone notice that this is the same music like in sonic 3& knuckles...

[@WigWoo1]

22:26 Why are you calling it a tetrology and not a quadrilogy?

[@ItzSpxrk]

42:22 I laughed so hard wtf 💀💀💀

[@jdh9419]

40:21 Allow me to explain. When you hit the monitor, your invincibility frames were still going, so the effect was cancelled

[@AlexHedgefox]

10:36 people calling Genesis Mecha Sonic "Silver Sonic" is likely due to the Archie Comics, because in america we werent given a name for Mecha Sonic in any of the US manuals, so, Archie wound up calling him Silver Sonic.

[@moonlightblade11]

8-bit sonic 2 is my favorite sonic game, a guilt pleasure if you will. Got so good at it that not even the last boss gave me anymore problems.

[@Barmeecarba]

The Mecha Sonic in Sonic 2 is called Silver Sonic in archie at least. Personally, I do really like that name for it

[@ShaimingLong]

It's called Robo Sonic in a Lego game. The only time it's ever been given a name in a game.

[@DrGiggleTouch67]

“Now go to sleep” was probably a joke about kids staying up late by playing handheld consoles. You all know the classic of hiding your DS under the pillow

[@randomistough0]

25:40 he does that in sonic advance 2... you also have an auto-scrolling boss in sonic advance 2. and it's also bad for the same exact reasons but somehow even worse

[@KiwiTheRetroGal]

There was a massive missed opportunity to just write Knuckles as "Knux" every time there wasn't enough space. It took me embarrassingly long to find out what "K.T.E" meant.

[@Acidicstudios]

This video should've been called 'Everything Right with 8-Bit Sonic Games', because all this and the additional challenge is why I like those 8-bit versions just as much as the 16-bit games. Not only did people tend to have the manuals for these games back then (because unlike Nintendo, Sega's game boxes were actually decent and not made out of cardboard), but people actually tended to read said manuals too. Oh and er, Tails actually debuted in the Master System version of Sonic 2 first before its mega-drive/genesis counterpart. Just thought I'd add that in there

[@Invertedzero]

It's bizarre that most of these are complaints about the games, especially with regard to difficulty or secrets, when then the same people would praise games like Dark Souls for reintroducing elements of difficulty.

[@destroyerkitty9434]

I’ve always had a soft spot for these games deep down. They’re so unknown and not very deep at all, but it’s simplicity makes it very appealing. I especially love Triple Trouble which gets points for feeling like it could be an actually great Sonic game without its limitations. TT-16bit is proof of that.

[@syrusgrove8682]

1:14 I feel like this would fit for like if you fought Eggman in act 1 or 2 Eggman wouldn't know what he's dealing with so he would probably go in without anything special on the Eggmobile and think that would work but act 3 should have been the classic Wreaking ball battle.

[@jordanjackson6151]

16:45........ha, hah, ha....Ha! Ha-Hahhhh!!!! Day--um! Insulting the fourth wall...... on another level.

[@jordanjackson6151]

@Hit me up @Charriii5 How so? Downloaded app. Couldn't do much for some reason. Cool channel none the less.

[@mattwo7]

24:24 "Pen" is Japanese for penguin, it's like how Digimon has Penmon translated to Penguinmon but then you have Daipenmon, which _should_ have been localized to BigPeguinmon or even DaiPenguinmon but wasn't for some reason. Least it's not SLUSHangemon (used the wrong translation of surasshu even though its literally made of swords) though... UGh...

[@stefanspelt3578]

12:40 Nahum: I'm sorry, but without the word "Act" and the Act number, these results screens make it read like Sonic is dead. Me: [laughs] Okay, that was a good one.

[@Paddybeirnevideo]

Love hearing a grown man complaining about finding things hard that I figured out when I was literally 5 years old.

[@shortbreadhead]

lmao same, that's why I'm sticking around for a laugh

[@mypkamax]

[11:48] The Sega Game Gear version of 8-bit _Sonic the Hedgehog 2_ has a unique song for the credits in the good ending. The Sega Master System (which was in this video) uses the bad ending music for both endings.

[@greninjamariokartpokemonfan]

Oh boy, the Advance trilogy is after this.

[@markofthewolvessucks8930]

Those bottomless pits.... 😤🤕

[@yona3271]

24:14 basically 16-bit triple trouble made a fix with that problem basically it's someone but I recommend playing 16-bit to find out

[@RockettRevengerr]

I don't think I've ever heard Charriii5 get this frustrated during a EWW during the 2nd to last game (except for EWW Sonic 06)

[@mypkamax]

[5:37] I find it strange that the Game Gear version says "Sound Producer" while the Master System version says "Sound Produce". Also, "Masato Naxamura".