Everything Wrong With Smile in 18 Minutes or Less

[@peterd567]

The part of this movie that legitimately caught me off guard and gave me chills was when she was speaking to her "therapist" in person, then the therapist calls. That was well executed.

[@deykno87]

That was wild!! That’s when you know she was cray cray

[@timrob12]

That scene is so good. Have you, or anyone really, ever payed attention to her clothes. Literally none of it makes sense with how she was dressed before and equally no one realizes it until you take a closer look. I love how it is hiding the truth in plain sight and yet you're oblivious at first.

[@djmintyfreshful]

@@timrob12 can you elaborate

[@xowxowxow2278]

That has been done a thousand times before, and "That has been done a thousand times before" could easily be the title for this movie.

[@timrob12]

@@djmintyfreshful Most obviously, her jacket and handbag suddenly go from previously being brown to being pink. Then she is suddenly wearing different shoes and no earrings. There is no second layer of clothes underneat her shirt, etc... Just a lot of stuff that is suddenly different about her and it's obviously done for a reason.

[@Blasted2Oblivion]

I will say this. It's one of the few movies that I have seen where the protagonist's boss actually seems to care about his employees.

[@Ciarasoup]

Good point there

[@Zanzasan]

The most tragic part of the movie is that early in the movie she was already on her way home for the day- but then she comes back to accept the phone call that leads to the whole thing. Her inability to take time off was already glossed over as well.

[@zeobide]

The true villain in the movie.

[@ForeverLaxx]

Probably meant to convey the idea that many people just bury themselves in work and other distractions to avoid dealing with trauma.

[@lyricsmaster1100]

@☁POPULATION-_-420🌿 dude i was high too and i havent smoked since. been like 6 months this movie fked me up LOL

[@TheBlackDorothyZbornak]

Which is a trauma response itself--the constant need to be busy

[@surbert]

they could’ve made this a whole thing about overworking but instead gave us a half baked horror movie with a fun concept once again

[@Kidkinsey]

"It follows the ring to the final destination" followed by "im not holding a grudge" is elite word scheming 🤣

[@MattChristensen9]

The biggest sin of the movie, and something you did not sin, was the fact that the psychiatric interview room ever had a vase, let alone a ceramic one, Inside of it. I've worked in the psychiatric ward of a hospital before and there is absolutely no way an object like that would have been in that room. The problem then becomes that if that object is not there, the movie doesn't happen.

[@littlelibbitt87]

This might be a dumb question but why wouldn’t there be a vase? Edit: thank you for everyone explaining why there shouldn’t be a vase, I’ve got my answer now!

[@rsmobyrd]

​@@littlelibbitt87 safety.. so they can't hurt themselves or someone else

[@slashsight6577]

​@@littlelibbitt87 Psychiatric wards make VERY sure theres nothing for someone to hurt themselves with. Something like a ceramic vase, which can break into sharp shards, would not be in the room.

[@ctakitimu]

@@TheGlssr60 You can do it fast enough to get a sharp piece and try self deleting before the psychiatrist on the phone can get to you

[@ItsDarkRightNow]

Same and she gets a nice giant room at a public er for a psych patient? And NO SCRUBS???

[@icecloud7418]

I think this movie isn’t trying to say “you’ll never beat trauma”, but rather you can’t beat trauma alone. Rose had many opportunities to seek out help when others ask, but she always refuses just saying “I’m fine.”

[@Alex.ActingandVO]

True, but everyone she’s ever brushed on what’s been going on with her, they chalk it up to her mother’s death, or workaholic stress. It creates a sense of isolation because you know no one’s gonna believe you.

[@ActivistVictor]

To be fair, those around her mostly suck, so doubt they would have changed anything

[@pshceluver2899]

@@Alex.ActingandVOyea I actually kinda liked that they did that, like maybe the movie didn’t need a message of to seek help, but more of a glorified way to see the minds of ppl who are deemed crazy when to them it’s extremely real but their treated like an insane person but not a human that just needs help :(

[@taggartblake]

That's not true at all. She reaches out several times and keeps getting shut down

[@thisgoddamusernamestoodamnlong]

@@taggartblake not to mention, she's in MORE danger if she tries to get help. Like it's a good horror movie, but its themes are SO fucked and no one talks about it. The message is basically: no one can help you.

[@nasferon3520]

As someone who has struggled, I appreciate you guys taking the time to provide suicide prevention resources and acknowledge the issue before getting started with this one.

[@manaash4316]

I'm glad you're still here

[@charm925]

Thank you for having the courage to still be here. 🤗🤗🥺

[@RosarioRodriguez-be2dx]

Your amazing, thank you for being here.

[@samirh2758]

We got you. And you got this.

[@mariojimenezactor8300]

You are not alone. Never will be.

[@hinatashimeluv7464]

The initial ending where she killed the monster while facing her mom/demons would have been much of a better ending and would've given the movie meaning. The ending they went with destroyed any meaningful message about trauma and facing your demons in the movie

[@babytoshiro7014]

Yeah getting tired of these stupid endings. Just end the sheeeet and stop hoping for sequels

[@sukiitheartist4803]

Oh I fully agree it lost me. I would’ve loved her to face her trauma and get continued help.

[@leoblue6134]

I agree. In fact, according to this movie, the real winners are her fiancee, sister, and brother-in-law (who were all assholes and had negative reactions to mental health) because they pushed her away from them which helped save their life. That is the exact opposite response you want from loved ones when dealing with mental trauma. What a sad, hopeless lesson.

[@alext8229]

I get that but it's a horror movie with a supernatural antagonist.

[@geraldbaker7431]

Agreed. I'm not saying I always want a happy ending, but to have her die like that after spending most of the movie figuring out the mechanics just made the entire movie pointless and gave it no replay value. It would be like The Ring killing Nicole Kidman after she did all that shit to figure out the mechanics of the tape.

[@BuffyOfTheDead]

No sin for how the kid reacted to finding the cat in his present? It was the funniest part. No scream, no emotion. He just picks it up and is like, "She got me a dead cat...?" 🤣

[@merafirewing6591]

I'm honestly more horrified of the dead cat scene.

[@malevolentsnow9867]

Yeah I had to rewatch that part because I wasn’t sure what actually happened (haven’t seen the movie). I kinda guessed she gave him a dead cat, but there was basically no reaction to it except a bit of shock?!?!

[@merafirewing6591]

@@malevolentsnow9867 like why the cat, and he had a cool name to begin with.

[@BuffyOfTheDead]

@@malevolentsnow9867 The cat's body was inside the boy's birthday present. So he opens his present and finds a dead cat. But he doesn't react at all the way you would imagine a child would react in that situation, which is why it's so funny. And after that, if I remember correctly, she starts freaking out and everyone at the party is just silently looking at her like she's crazy instead of you know, asking her WTH is going on or if she's okay?? The whole scene was hilarious.

[@MegaZeo]

Rose should've just played it off completely straight. "I know how much you've been wanting a dead cat, so I finally got you one! I hope you like the breed."

[@vikisaur]

As a former mental health practitioner, I can indeed confirm that Rose would be back at work the next day. Be kind to therapists, social workers, caregivers, hospital staff... All of us. We shoulder more than you could imagine.

[@yoshiyajoshuakiryu3198]

I worked in the government and at a call center and I had someone die at both jobs and was literally working that same day because they’d fire you if you had three absences. I even had someone try to off themselves and was back at work because of that. America lol. Sorry that happens to you guys. I respect the decent mental health support staff. I have two and they’re wonderful.

[@THEINFERNOKID]

Hey yes same thing happened to me lol, I'm a health care aide (HCA) and my first shift, one of the residents I was helping to get to bed died right infront because he couldn't breathe. It took way to long to get the o2 for him, I almost had to perform cpr on em. I was back at wrk the next day too after.

[@nicholasnicholson7942]

half of my family either were military medics or are registered nurses, people today don't even comprehend that some doctors work up to 30-hour shifts. If I had to do that I would off myself.

[@DrHumperdink]

It's not only that profession. Any first responder may do that as well. Sure, some may take personal time off after if they really feel they need it. But if you have to call the police because someone broke into your car, and they seem a bit off when they get there. It's entirely possible they just saw someone kill themselves or been ripped in half or otherwise brutally killed in a car crash or murder or whatnot.

[@thedevilsrockstxr2309]

No u don't....holy fuco the entitlement

[@bluestar8700]

“I’ve experienced more sexual tension during a colonoscopy than these two” made me SPIT OUT MY DRINK

[@otpyg13]

Except, it didn’t.

[@kyu_the_best]

@@otpyg13 ???

[@ArDeeMee]

Hey! No kinkshaming!

[@notoriousthug121]

@@ArDeeMee my kink is kink shaming

[@ArDeeMee]

@@notoriousthug121 Tut-tut…! 😂

[@CuccoTheCoo]

Okay the part about her having “video game vision” where she can only see one spot right in front of her grinds my gears in horror movies lol

[@SgtSupaman]

11:16 That head dangling down like that was way funnier than I think it was supposed to be. I just had to rewatch that part a few times.

[@KyleClev]

18:05 had me rolling

[@wayneberry3453]

Nah. They knew what they were doing. It was definitely meant to be hilarious

[@aspenmgy]

Doesn't help the scene was in the trailers. Any possible shock from seeing it was lost.

[@Major-DoMo]

That scene made me jump… crazy rare for a cinema sins review haha. Funny or jump-scare, it was unexpected and a good choice. 👏

[@horsegirl2454]

I actually thought it could have been a unique jump-scare if I didn't know it was supposed to be one. So, it ended up bumming me out 😕

[@marvinjones3702]

“Someone should make it into a short film.” Bruh that is HILARIOUS 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂

[@brandonhicks9926]

My wife and I said the same thing when we got to the end of the movie. The movies was okay, but the thematic message was decent and then it went into a “it’s all in her head” cliche which caused the overall message the movie wanted to be skewed. Essentially saying “No matter how hard you fight trauma wins so you might as well give up”

[@abbysebille9631]

The fact of the matter is, you can’t really ever beat your trauma. You can definitely manage it! But it never really goes away, and I think that’s what the movie was getting at. Maybe they fumbled a bit on the way sure, but they didn’t give the message of GIVE UP

[@brandonhicks9926]

@@abbysebille9631 that’s the beauty of stories though. People interpret them differently. The reason I got the trauma wins message is because of the way she burns herself up in front of the cop guy, insinuating that the cycle is continuing. You absolutely can “beat” trauma in my opinion and experience. It just takes a lot of work and people get there on their own time.

[@davidlance5310]

That’s kind’ve what Bojack Horseman’s ending may as well have been but the writers clearly had no guts to put it out there

[@princeofcupspoc9073]

Remember that ending are usually changed by producers to make the film more "marketable." Don't blame the writer or director. Produced by Marty Bowen ... producer (produced by) Adam Fishbach ... executive producer Wyck Godfrey ... producer (produced by) Isaac Klausner ... producer (produced by) Robert Salerno ... producer (produced by)

[@jeremybrimmer1990]

How about: the only winning move is not to play. - war games

[@moroc333]

I think the shot of the ambulance arriving at the beginning is actually showing Laura arriving at the hospital, basically what puts everything in motion.

[@Alex-kz8im]

I love Cinema Sins. Come for the pithy commentary on films, stay for their love of humanity. My favorite parts of this network is the constant care for mental health consistently since day 1. Sorry for long comment but always appreciate Jeremy & Chris' commitment to emotional health.

[@schizopenguin]

how the fuck was this comment 40 minutes ago

[@RBGolbat]

@@schizopenguin Patreon members get videos early

[@tampa2360]

He ain’t gonna fuck you, bro

[@DrWatson4]

Never apologise for a long comment it shows you care

[@COEYRN]

Don't apologize. I feel the exact same way. I know this is cheesy, but I know that Jeremy is a safe place. I listen to Cinemasins when I get stressed at work. Jupiter ascending is the one that I usually watch if I need to calm myself down. The video is really funny and there's one part where Jeremy does this really awesome gets me every single time. It gets me and it makes me forget about my stress I apologize For my comment not being spell checked I had a glitch in my phone and I thought it had been sent so I apologized. But thank you for the 4 lIkes considering I can't even understand what I wrote

[@donovangalindo7782]

4:26 Glad to see that A-Train moved on from Popclaw, there really is no stopping the A-Train

[@Fabrysiheder]

with no message from the stars😂

[@KatherineXIX]

Two ways this movie could have been better: 1. Keep it as a short film that only included the scene with Laura, or 2. It turns out that Rose actually passed the curse on to Jackson at the party by killing the cat/pulling out its corpse in front of him, and she was fine from that point on and it turns out all the scary stuff after that was just her own psychosis (from either trauma or inherited mental illness from her mom). Bonus points if she had actually gone on to kill a person in her attempt to break the curse...only to realize it was all for nothing.

[@xyz7572]

That last part would have been truly harrowing!

[@riverotter68]

don't use the ending to set up a sequel. When I saw there was no closure at the end, the first thing to come to mind: Great, there's going to be a sequel

[@stevenmacaulay8807]

Or ... They could have not made the film in the first place.

[@rahbeeuh]

I liked the short film better

[@bayarea510]

Could you break down how it would work as a short film?

[@PLAYER1WULF]

I love that at 11:50 you can see a smile in the lights behind her while she's in the car

[@sincerelykeke199]

Didn’t even realize that

[@Mr.Finklebottom]

I genuinely appreciate you putting the suicide hotlines in the beginning of the video. As someone who once struggled with depression and had my fair share of encounters with suicidal thoughts, I understand that some people watch these movies for those reasons, something to relate to, and some of those people really need the suicide hotlines. Thank you for showing you care deeply about your audience and the people around you. And on a more lighthearted note, on with the sins.

[@highbred]

Glad you're still around, much love ♥️

[@jak3047]

I know exactly how you feel, but always know that there's always something or someone to live for.

[@wallingfordd]

I've tried these numbers & never had one person on the other end sound like they care even a little bit. I unfortunately ended up in jail before I met somebody who actually wanted to help so good thing you got a nice experience

[@aA-hq4km]

I dont know you but as a Person with Depression and former selfharm issuse im proud of you stay strong you are worth it

[@farcoofficial]

no one cares

[@777ynk]

This movie genuinely traumatized me for like a week after i watched it. I love that even with the movies that really fuck with me CS is always there to remind you that it is just some guys behind a camera

[@danielwells1734]

Same, but I have no love for it or any movie that kills animals. I've banned this movie from even being named in my house. It's something that I wish that I never saw in the first place!

[@carsonhunt4642]

Feel like the target audience was def for teens, like cheesy horror films like the grudge. Watching a bit older and it’s just a giant miss. Or maybe just not for someone who’s a realist cynic, idk. Prob more fun for the naive blissful audience members

[@Harigan]

@@danielwells1734 no animals were harmed in the making.

[@777ynk]

@@carsonhunt4642 or for people that dont watch horror movies often like me cause my girlfriend is a horror enthusiast and she was UNphased

[@JL-zo1wd]

same, the ending was cheesy but the smiles genuinely freaked me out

[@timrob12]

0:36 - Absolute mad respect for Sosie Bacon as she had to go through this whole fake traumatic experience. That's very tense and I can imagine very emotional as well, but she did a wonderful job. 1:50 - Also appreciating what the filmmakers are doing here. Laura is the character from their original short film that got them to make this movie in the first place. So by allowing the original actress and the character to make a cameo in the movie, they're basicly saying 'thank you for helping us get here.'

[@sigilkoreconnoisseur]

i haven't watched original short film, mind giving credit ?

[@timrob12]

@@sigilkoreconnoisseur It's called Laura Doesn't Sleep and can be found on KZbin. It features the same actress Caityn Stasey as the Lauren character and her experience with the Smile monster. Basicly it could be considered a prequel to this movie.

[@lunar_proxy]

it originally being a short movie makes sense... i bet it slaps in comparison

[@timrob12]

@@lunar_proxy Actually it gives you more time to develop things. I don't have a problem with it.

[@Jettfighter]

Actually the tears were added in after effects Quote "there was no tear shed in the movie"

[@jameshill4589]

I once laid on my bathroom floor staring up at the ceiling for two hours, knowing all I had to do was get in the already filled tub and drop the toaster--and all my troubles would be over. Thank God I was stronger than that. And thank you for being such an advocate for mental health.

[@syedzaminalishahkazmi6474]

I am proud of you James.

[@sketchedout4080]

Please stay safe I know that there are people that care about you

[@Bouyasdraco]

No way you was actually bout to take a toaster bath 💀

[@jameshill4589]

@@Bouyasdraco it's a good thing I was sober (I don't drink anyway, but if I did and I had...)

[@MasterChiefsSmurf]

God bless you. I love you James and I hope you're doing well.

[@kaitlynboisvert8150]

IMO Laura did the "smile" better than Rose did! So much more creepy and unsettling.

[@GutPoacher]

Yeah Rose just looked sweet, there was nothing unsettling to it

[@nemomilo333]

Fun movie trivia - the smiles are all natural and not enhanced with visual effects as the director wanted them to be ‘grounded in their creepiness’

[@emptysoul2757]

Most convincing one

[@whatsongisthis5691]

Laura had the best one in the movie

[@Nicamon]

@@whatsongisthis5691 Caitlin Stasey is the reason I wanna watch this movie _and_ the reason I'm *_too scared_* to watch this movie!!😰

[@sabbtheman]

I think what the movie attempted to convey was that after you experience a certain level of trauma (which varies from person to person i/e smiley) it is impossible to get rid of. The more you try to fix it, the more chaotic you seem to those around you. Eventually, no matter if you learn to live with it, the trauma only ends when you die. They just did a terrible job at putting emphasis on that.

[@JordanLeetheBoi]

When you pointed out the 'uncomfortable ikea furniture', that's actually furniture they have in in-patient care. It's designed specifically so that someone shouldn't be able to hurt themselves or others easily. So actually that's like. A really cool thing to see as someone who has been in those places before.

[@randallflagg3700]

If they made the chair with a nice *C* curve instead of a hard *L* angle , it would have made it easier to kill yourself or others with it?

[@hannahohno]

Cool, but then they f that up by having a ceramic vase right in front of said furniture

[@courtneythompson6179]

Shouldn’t it be cushioned then. If it’s hard, it’s harmful.

[@JordanLeetheBoi]

@@courtneythompson6179 they're not actually hard to touch they're made of this wicked uncomfortable but softer than wood or metal plasticy-foamy stuff

[@JordanLeetheBoi]

@@hannahohno Hey I didn't say that was a good idea I'm just saying they used the actual furniture from an in-patient place they have to sit on(talkin about the chairs)

[@lemin3625]

I thought about seeing this movie when it came out but someone told me it was more of a psychological horror and that sticks with me a bit more than I’d like it to, thanks to my childhood. I always look forward to cinemasins uploading because it’s a bit more digestible for me. I love horror, demons, ghosts, whatever but mental health strikes a different cord 😅

[@deanta14]

It was actually good to me and worth watching. Left out the movies with no regrets

[@mickeymute334]

Yeah I feel that. Honestly, this movie made it hard for me to sleep for the next week or so. Then again, I don't watch mamy horror movies.

[@rahbeeuh]

Watch the short film. It's on KZbin called Laura doesn't sleep

[@ArDeeMee]

Big Will‘s „The Brutality of Smile“ is a really good watch, too. =)

[@robertagu5533]

Fun fact: the Sexually Transmitted Demon from "It Follows" is related to "Smiley"... They see each other at their equivalent to family reunions

[@charliefielding2297]

Sexually Transmitted Demon is like the more successful older brother. Like, he brags about all the people he's killed but it is way easier for him to pass on his curse!

[@DarthPyrusTheVirus]

You just gave Hollywood a sequel to Ring vs Grudge.

[@blackparademistress1]

Sexually Transmitted Demon, thanks that’s my band name now.

[@rahbeeuh]

@@DarthPyrusTheVirus it's prolly already in the vault somewhere

[@rahbeeuh]

@@blackparademistress1 y'all going on tour?

[@thinhcan5793]

7:22 "A-Train" perfect.

[@loreleimonn3220]

I feel like ever since I found this channel back in high school, one of the things they’ve always done a great job of is handling mental health issues with the care and seriousness it deserves. They don’t hold back when criticizing it being handled poorly, and they’ve even been doing more over time to provide resources and stuff. It’s just awesome

[@The4thSandersonSister]

Me: That cat better not die. Movie: Kills the cat Me: ALL THE SINS

[@Mr_Mcfeely]

"How many 'Get the f@ck out of my houses' can there be in the phone book?" 🤣🤣 that whole little segment is some grade A, dad joke level humor and I'm here for it.

[@donnamitsuki281]

It's interesting how I've seen this movie receive two main kind of opinions: 1) a pretty decent psychological horror film that treats the theme of inevitability,much like a Junji Ito work,the one I could compare it to directly is The Hanging Balloons. A story of suicide,mass hysteria,and how the worst kind of fate is the one you cannot escape from no matter how hard you try. 2) a decent horror film that while tried to execute a certain message it didn't fully work,as to some this can be read as "mental illness is the worst so why not give up" even if that's probably not the message intended but in the end art is subjective.

[@luis-sophus-8227]

The ones with the second opinion commit arbitrary conclusion. The movie doesn't have to attain any particular moral, in fact the movie emphasizes the supernatural aspects of things, there's people whom got underwhelmed by the end while the entire movie through it was made clear that this isn't just some disorder, it's a real thing. they didn't pay attention.

[@everythingcollectibles]

I just have to wonder why her ex just stood there and watched her kill herself instead of running away, because he knows what will happen from what she told him, how it needs someone else to watch so it can pass on. I’m literally in my chair screaming in my head (WHY AREN’T YOU RUNNING MAN! YOU CAN LIVE IF YOU TURN AROUND AND LEAVE BEFORE SHE SETS HERSELF ON FIRE!)

[@taylorglover73]

THIS! Or try to stop her? He was just so unhelpful at the end

[@annedenbandt7408]

Probably because he froze. Our brain tries to cope by either fighting, fleeing or freezing. When something traumatic happens you have 0 control over what happens and most people freeze. Smiley probably even makes sure of it so that it can pass on to the next person

[@cjraymond8827]

Amen. Thought the same thing.

[@CalebNewbery]

My question is, why even go there in the first place? Him turning up is pretty much the whole reason she died.

[@rsmobyrd]

I said the same thing to my bf after we watched it i was so upset that he kinda just let it happen no "Rose no" no dive to try and stop her or get the match out of her hand just armed with full knowledge of the problem and potential solutions to do nothing.. and honestly i was kinda rooting for them too since he was the only one who understood what was going on and it definitely looked like it was heading that way

[@jennykandenge5116]

Hahaha “as if he's A-train” love it also couldn't not see him as A-train 😂

[@yojnna2088]

If you are being followed by IT and also being haunted by Smiley and kill someone in front of a witness then technically you just screwed Smiley and according to the rules IT must stalk and kill Smiley. Now THAT would make a great movie.

[@matthewminelli]

Why would screwing up Smiley's chain of suicides force IT to go after Smiley?

[@randallflagg3700]

.... or just "screw" Smiley to give him the curse?

[@Interestking]

@@matthewminelli I think they meant the monster/curse from the movie "It Follows", where the curse is passed on to someone else through sex.

[@masere]

It Follows - what if "It" is actually Pennywise?😮

[@khalidking4629]

I haven’t watched that movie in years. That shit was so creepy.

[@aerisred13]

I never understood how the Smile entity even interacted or killed Mustache to begin with. There was little to no scene involving him being freaked out or acting oddly as animals normally do around spirits or otherworldly beings. My guess is it's an extreme implication on being in such a depressive state you forget about feeding your animals and they die. Perhaps the entity did it because it wanted to traumatize others in hopes it would be enough to get to them. The nephew looks outside as if he sees his 'mom', the entity' going outside to torment Rose later on. So maybe the whole 'see a traumatic death' isn't the only criteria. Maybe just trauma with death, as with the cat. :/ I really wanted to like this movie but I felt it just didn't try hard enough to make better sense of the world they were trying to build. All the nonsense they added inbetween scenes was just... nah.

[@shairahcortez]

rose killed the cat subconsciously bc she was cursed

[@varnark8928]

I believe the entity causes her to black out in many instances. Remember, the whole shtick of the movie is "It's all in your head." Therefore, all the horrible things that had been happening to her simply weren't real, or things she did herself. She was packaging and making a present the night of the "break in," and that was the same exact present that had a dead Mustache inside. The way Smiley achieves this is the same way it causes her to believe a dream is real, as well as how it made her believe that she escaped the house at the end, when she was still inside the whole time.

[@annierebeccaa]

The main intention wasn’t to traumatize the nephew, it was to isolate her. Everyone thought she was insane and she was hysterically begging them to believe her, then fell through a glass table and was crying on the floor covered in blood until she was kicked out of the house. Her sister, brother in law, nephew, and everyone else at the party had essentially abandoned her from this point on. Basically it was to make her as alone as possible, and it worked

[@nashsanadiki3104]

18 seconds of meaningful information for those in need of help, 1 sin off this movie. But seriously never seen a channel do this with films with this message and I thank you for taking the time.

[@emmag1754]

as many of these comments have echoed, the content warning and helplines is a seemingly small yet significant thing to do. These little things matter, to some of your millions of viewers these videos are the few minutes of joy they have in a day. Thank you for fostering a safe environment & creating content that brings smiles to our faces (pun not intended)❤️

[@Grabthar191]

13:48 Yup, that was one of my conundrums. If it needs trauma what happens if the person they do it in front of is a sociopath that doesn't care? Somewhere between 4-10% of the population can be classified as sociopaths, which is a disturbingly high number. Maybe it hitches a ride as a regular demonic possessor influcing the sociopath into doing something traumatic to someone and then they jump into the nearest traumatized person?

[@belgianstuff]

Imagine if this film gets a sequel and we follow some sociopath that gets cursed. Maybe it could be more of a comedy horror where the demon and the sociopath have casual conversations and the demon ends up being the one that's caught in the sociopaths situation lmao. like "i'm not locked in her with you, you're locked in here with me"

[@ruggedlemmings9163]

@@belgianstuff Now I'm picturing Venom but with a smiling demon that...well, actually I guess that would just be Venom then. :P

[@Dropkicknh80]

I compared this movie to the ending of Fallen from the 90's. I imagine it would be like the end of that movie *Spoiler alert for a 25 year old film* and possess the nearest living entity be it human or otherwise until a more suitable host came along.

[@Grabthar191]

@@Dropkicknh80 Although doesn't this demon require "trauma" to attach itself to someone? Maybe it has the ability to sense people who can easily be traumatized and that is how it selects the next victim. So it might be able to sense who might be an unfeeling sociopath and will pick a different individual to end themselves in front of so it doesn't get trapped in the ether.

[@Dropkicknh80]

@@Grabthar191 As presented in the movie, yes the demon requires trauma to jump. But as I mentioned in Fallen, the premise for the movie is that the evil spirit is transferred from human to human through touch. So much like this movie, the character goes off on their own to kill their self and thus the evil spirit. The twist being that it leaves the body and survives long enough to find a host in an animal in the woods. So In my mind I made the same connection that in this, had the cop/ex/whatever you call him not been there when she died, there would have been an alternative form of transmission just to keep the entity alive. I do also accept the idea of sensing vulnerability to know who to commit the act near to increase the likelihood of trauma.

[@shemarrawlins1017]

I was waiting sooooo long for the Harold and Kumar and A-Train references. Worth it

[@lukebigmore9231]

The upside down shots in this film are brilliant. Because in this universe, a smile is not good. So everything is upside down, back to front.

[@liambarron9772]

I mean the metaphor was obvious, and for that reason, I wouldn't say it was particularly brilliant lol

[@shaneftmfw]

wow! so brilliant! just like that movie Sideways where they turn Paul Giamatti 90 degrees and say "Hey! everything is side to side! Fuck!".

[@sampacala]

WHY AM I UPSIDE-DOWN AGAIN? LMAO that got me

[@SnowFoxWithAGasMask]

Thank you for putting the suicide helpline at the start of the video, it really shows you care about your viewers. I really appreciate channels that tell you before the video if it contains sensitive content, thank you.

[@GRAGGLE]

for so long too i was able to read it 2 times

[@mystikal__4735]

0:01 thank you CinemaSins for this message. I think this movie is one of the most suicide-glorifying films out there today

[@kinggetsuga8054]

The film does not glorify suicide wtf 😂

[@kinggetsuga8054]

The movie doesn't glorify self termination wtf 😂

[@1800bhudda]

@@kinggetsuga8054bro might be trippin

[@Stroodlesnoodles]

@@kinggetsuga8054 isn’t the movie about how super slides will cause people around you more pain than you experience and that help is better than soup time

[@shahanurrashid3781]

Rose at the birthday party: Visibly traumatised and begging for some comfort gets zero sympathy and understanding from her family and friends.. Thats a sin..

[@mbSCOTUBE]

Really appreciate the disclaimer at the start. I don't fall under the category but had in previous years, and I like that people are aware of it. Thanks a lot

[@therealhooters9983]

One of the biggest sins that I was yelling at the screen the entire time was that she didn't just go in the middle of nowhere and off herself with nobody to witness. That would deprive it of ever moving onto somebody else

[@DJtheBlack-RibbonedRose]

Lmao I appreciated the numerous Ring jokes. After all, the seven-day curse time frame explanation certainly made it pretty blatant. 😆💍

[@madilockerby9763]

1:17 got me. i was not expecting the ‘meaning of Christmas’ bit💀💀

[@simplybored9270]

Instantly liked when I saw that opening message. Thank you for putting it first and foremost. It's part of why I love this channel.

[@ShadowKrueger]

This movie was truly disturbing and the tension was really good and I've watched a lot of great horror but this was truly terrifying. The images stick with you like Sinister.

[@TheGlssr60]

I was wondering where I knew Trevor from and when you said "like A train" I finally remembered.

[@eerie_embroidery]

0:57 But that's not a random ambulance, that's Laura arriving at the hospital, I'd say that's a pretty relevant shot.

[@adamsmasher9769]

I wish they wouldnt have made the smile entity a real demon. It had so much potential to be a tale about trauma and the way trauma can chain to other people and ended with her realizing that she actually does need help and cant handle this on her own. Instead they made it super cheap.

[@haleyp123]

A movie you might like that actually does this exact thing is The Babadook!! If you haven’t seen it already you would probably like it

[@randallflagg3700]

@@haleyp123 - But that movie also had a real monster/entity in it...

[@JL-zo1wd]

agreed, it was quite good up until the demon revealed itself. least scary part of the movie and highly anticlimactic

[@k7l3rworkman97]

While I agree, the monster toward the end was FCKING scary and crazily well made 😅

[@luis-sophus-8227]

If they didn't most of the plot wouldn't actually make sense. Average atheist getting salty because there's supernatural aspects in some movie.

[@DarsanUchiha]

I thought the takeaway was that she waited too long to get the help she really needed, which was to address her childhood trauma regarding her mother, and it was too late for her by the time she tried

[@SakuraLuckyStar]

I’m fairly certain the ex survived afterwards. He had far more information about the curse than Rose did. Even if he didn’t, he might have found a way for the next victim to end the curse for good

[@verneshabritt3262]

He should've just not watched her kill herself then he would've been fine

[@SakuraLuckyStar]

@@verneshabritt3262 Idk if he could, I mean, imagine being in that situation. He was frozen in shock and he didn't even know what was going to happen

[@randallflagg3700]

What informations did Beaver from *Veronica Mars* have that Rose didn't? I don't remember that part...

[@roryj5045]

We will find out in the sequel!

[@SakuraLuckyStar]

@@roryj5045 Wait, there's gonna be a sequel?

[@surbert]

they should’ve used “smile” by lilly allen as the end credits song i was SOOOO mad they didn’t do that especially since it has that same uppy and happy feel as lollipop

[@Jettfighter]

the entity's name is lollipop that's probably why lol

[@andrewconway8377]

Love that you included the numbers and resources with the message at the beginning! Thank you for always promoting mental health and well-being!

[@elliot.darko117]

I still think the best ending for this movie would’ve been Joel watching herself light herself on fire but before she does, he grabs a full body sized wall mirror and makes the girl watch herself die and thus causing the monster to die because it was its own victim. Would’ve been way cooler in my opinion! Lol

[@DoomRulz]

I'm sure this will have its share of padded sins, but mad props for the suicide helpline at the beginning. Remember folks: you are loved and you are enough. Don't ever quit.

[@BlackBugDefiance]

I really love how CiemaSins cares about menthal problems and reaches through their clips to those who have problems such as depression to help them get the help they need. As a person who have had twice depression I know how hard and devastating it is. Good job CinemaSins for Your disclaimers and good will, You really are great.

[@likeahurdle]

“yeah… you could almost say it follows them” gagged me lmao

[@VidWatcher01]

15:44 This scene reminds me of the mom from Coraline for some reason

[@caseymacmacl7463]

Thank you for saving me an hour and a half!! It's much more entertaining to watch you give these movies the Drano treatment than it is to actually watch the movies themselves most times!! Just FYI, I have had a landline for over 40 years and have no plans to get rid of it. I live in the boonies in Canada and it's far more trustworthy than the spotty cell service we get here.

[@tajneafoster2836]

Tbh I don’t think they gave the movie justice. I’m picky af about movies and Smile was my favorite movie of 2022. Maybe it’s because I struggle with mental health issues though. I found the commentary to be pretty subtle.

[@evandoesart1463]

Adding the suicide warning and number AND tellling us we matter shattered me. Thank you. We all love you cinema sins

[@silentstorm_art]

The one thing that I liked in the movie was the ending, where she thought it was over but it was all a lie and the creature finally takes over the affects weren't the best but it was pretty cool.

[@rainebasil5812]

It did look cool but I couldn’t help thinking the monster looked like the crooked man from the conjuring lol

[@sehu1291]

She should have killed herself at the end in the wooden hut alone without anyone seeing it (or only the "demon") then the curse would have been broken. So she transferred it to the only person who really loved her.

[@DareToBeDeviant]

Huh, second time (out of three) the channel was genuinely concerned about mental ailments and provided real life advice with phone numbers for support. It's the little things that help. Keep it going, guys. I like it when people pause their act/go out of character for a moment and get real about something.

[@oscarwiklander7688]

6:48 genius writing! Listing the two movies that most resembles this one in the most exquisite way possible

[@billhumiston9888]

I am SO glad this channel exists! I can't stand watching horror movies (it's something with me about the mid-80s, cable TV, and the "Creepshow" segment on "The Crate"), and I'm happy you watch and review the movies I can't stand so I can get great laughs instead of sleepless nights. ;-)

[@prolifegenzgal]

Same

[@thejamnasium6447]

anybody else miss horror movies where there was an actual monster instead of just the "monster" of "mental health issues"? Like yeah The Babadook did it pretty well but I feel like EVERY modern "horror" movie is now all about "the monster inside" or whatever. It's why Hereditary stands out as such a great horror flick of the recent era

[@k7l3rworkman97]

Yeah, I miss it a lot. I’m sick of the over sexualized EVERYTHING nowadays… Even the seizure in the beginning looked more like an orgasm that a life threatening seizure… bring back the goddamn Monsters 💯

[@luis-sophus-8227]

The monster is real though. The movie shows that the protag indeed holds a traumatic past but it's clear that every hallucination she had since the day wasn't caused by said trauma, the creature fueled the idea, the creature made her think that she could escape, when in reality, it was just waiting for the chance to pass to another host, the ex

[@elena-mv8pf]

1:56 these chairs are actually real things mental hospitals have-when i was in the psych ward (and don’t worry, i’m doing much better) they had those exact chairs. uncomfortable, yes, but also extremely heavy so that they could not be thrown. this is because in a setting sk extreme people can be violent. just thought i’d share :)

[@whateverwhatever4026]

...Jeremy never went to school. I think we all already knew that. But not being able to sleep on a desk confirms the obvious.

[@thrackerzodthefandomnerd4267]

I went to school, I can not sleep on a desk

[@whateverwhatever4026]

@@thrackerzodthefandomnerd4267 Liar. 1010% of people who've been to public school have slept on a desk.

[@andersvassli2349]

You have to respect such a mature company, even tho it makes satire jokes about a movie, they are still aware of mental health and humanity as a whole.

[@josephk.8728]

Loved the "it follows them" reference. Also-I felt this movie had incredible potential, but the ending pissed me off because I felt it made a mockery of mental health illnesses.

[@simonstevenson6686]

I think that’s what the entity represents a mockery for people’s trauma. Many people in real life do that to others so this entity serves as a metaphor for that. It’s traumatizing people who were already traumatized.

[@E84-l4g]

It didn't make a mockery of mental health, it showed how fk'ed up and the type of mind games our brain plays on us. How many times have you thought everything was ok and then a second later you are right back in that dark place? Yes they could of ended it with her beating the monster but that's not how it works. You just don't beat the demon in your brain overnight, it's a never ending battle and some people can maintain those dark moments while some people can't which they end up killing themselves. So the ending could of went either way with her beating the monster and now on her path to dealing with her trauma but instead it went the other path showing that she couldn't overcome the child hood trauma that she was dealing with her whole life. That's just how life really is, it showed the darkness of mental health illnesses, smiling on the outside while slowly dying in the inside.

[@luis-sophus-8227]

It really didn't. Nobody would realistically experience something like that under simple conditions. Even her childhood trauma isn't a good justification, the movie goes out of its way to clear up that this isn't a natural thing

[@HH-mr3iq]

8:15--I haven't seen this movie, but it makes complete sense to me that she wouldn't think about her own mental health in the view of a therapist. That's what "lack of insight" means. It's why we have therapists in the first place, to give us that outside perspective. That's also part of having hallucinations--you can know that you're having them, or not.

[@vincentjames7210]

This movie was so much better than I thought it was going to be

[@chasehedges6775]

Agreed. It should be ridiculous but it somehow works

[@tonystark_oyo]

Great time at the movies for sure!

[@youtubeonly520]

Here in Europe we usually are pretty quiet in the cinema, but I wasin an austrian cinema watching this, literally eevry seat packed even front row like I've never seen it before, and people were absolutely SPENT after this movie. Very, very tense energy in the cinema, very loud noises during jump scares from people genuinly getting scared. It was crazy, and it was probably the most amazing experience you could have watching a movie like this. No idea why the fuck CS is ripping it apart; there hasn't been a better horror movie in 20 years.

[@MrMee399]

I like all of these videos, but the best part of this particular one for me was the end where the sister’s head flops down into frame and you hear Robin Williams’ “Hellloooo”…. It made me laugh so hard.

[@arieldanielle23]

Excuse me but that was Euphegenia Doubtfire

[@ricvanesh9445]

I loved that little dutch angle out of spite at 1:46

[@marshfae3424]

the chairs r actually weighted in the therapist room so that (in theory) they can't throw them at the therapists! It's a very common thing across every hospital w a mental health unit 2:11

[@luis-sophus-8227]

Remove that thing, thanks

[@DJtheBlack-RibbonedRose]

Kudos to CinemaSins for putting out that suicide prevention PSA before starting off the video. 👍

[@SpinCity420]

This comment needs to be top comment

[@wafflecone95]

As someone who has experience working in a mental hospital, there would never be anything breakable and sharp in any of those rooms.

[@Exas1519]

Finally somebody says something about the damn drinking at a kids party. Always pissed me off growing up, still does to this day.

[@TiffanyMorris-jr6pg]

Hey, kids parties are stressful, hence, why the demon went to the party and smiles at the main character from the chair.

[@brucewayne5724]

16:28 no.

[@tupapa7742]

6:25 the alarmed might have been tripped by her looking for her cat and killing it. the movie kinda does that whole "if you did not see her do it can you be sure" trick, which is cool tbh because it is basically like a dreamstate, where she does not know how she got there but she is subconsciously just doing something

[@Enigmatic313]

Omg I LOVE this channel. I literally laughed out loud at 18:07

[@LucianDevine]

I'm going to take a stab at answering some of these questions. The demon/spirit thing feeds off the trauma, but maybe jumping from body to body drains it, and that's why it has to start with the small haunting stuff. It slowly gets it's strength back, feeding off of the trauma as it breaks down it's newest host/victim, also meaning that it couldn't jump bodies rapidly even if it wanted to. It also likely can't wait months or years, because the human mind adapts. It starts to figure out what's going on, and once it does, it's no longer traumatized, aka the demon would start to starve, kind of like your idea of being put in a coma. I feel like it couldn't die though, only weaken, and once you were taken out of the coma it would start to strengthen at the first sign of trauma, restarting the cycle all over again. Now, as for why there needs to be a witness for it to skip you. Remember that there needs to be trauma. You have already steeled yourself for what you need to do. So you are less likely to be traumatized by it, or at least less-traumatized than you already are by all the other shit. I also feel like the creature will jump to the most traumatized person in the room. So you have to have at least one person in the room who doesn't know what is going to happen. So if you are in the room with the person you are going to murder, an accomplice, and a random person, the demon/spirit thing is likely going to jump to them since they are likely to be the most traumatized by said murder.

[@daviderickson8699]

I think the random stranger is part of it to intensify the trauma. By having no connection with these victims, the witness wasn't able to see the rapid descent into madness from the previous week - their first encounter with the victim is the shocking death and haunting smile. Other than the psych ward doctor, most of the other witnesses weren't in vocations where they are expecting to encounter suicidal people in chance encounters. They have no history with the victim to reflect on as their mind tries to cope with what they saw, and that seems like a pretty specific recipe of trauma. So in that regard, the pattern kind of broke when Rose' witness was a witness to her whole torment.

[@a.l907]

@@daviderickson8699 agree, but wouldn’t it be more traumatic if the person committing a violent suicide was known to the next victim? Especially if that victim is vulnérable. I guess it would lessen the fear factor for the audience, but surely it would make more sense in the film’s universe

[@daviderickson8699]

@@a.l907 Just to play that out, maybe when the next victim knows the current victim, there is also a grief element mixed in besides just the shocking trauma. I think the "smile" itself is part of that mix, too. The whole scene is just something your brain isn't wired to process. Total stranger chooses to grotesquely kill themselves in front of you while smiling at you. That is meant to bore deeply into your mind and upset your sense of everything. We may be analyzing it more than the writers did 🙂, but my guess is the desired effect would be tainted by the next victim actually grieving a loved one. That's why the final transfer broke the pattern for me.

[@luis-sophus-8227]

This movie takes elements from the mkvltra project, mental breakdown is required for reprogramming, add demonology to it and that explains how things work here

[@jevmoxam8703]

12:49 i saw what you did there 🤣💀 “Ring to it “ 🤣🤣🤣

[@Piggyinfectedslayer2763]

“Ring”

[@Leoprincess3038]

That scene with Laura was deep fr....I had to pause the movie and recover for a few mins 😂😂😢😮

[@claypigeon4932]

The thing that really gets me about this movie is how it adds upsetting scenes just to be upsetting, it doesn't add anything when the kid picks up dead Mustache (the cat) from his present box, I literally can't watch this movie again because of that scene. Yes it creates a divide between her and her sister but we can clearly see that their relationship already isn't fantastic, she couldn't go to her for help before. Why kill the cat and present it in the most upsetting way possible, when it was largely unnecessary is all I'm asking.

[@CallMeMistaPepe]

The best thing about the movie has to be the music, never heard anything like it and holy shit is it unsettling.

[@luu7235]

A train made me laugh lol 7:28

[@beckg777]

“SUDDEN Jr. BACON” is a hilarious way to describe Kevin Bacon’s daughter. Well done old chap. 0:34

[@deldideldeldidumm4280]

Thank you for acknowledging "it follows"

[@rosssapp6990]

Omg the tangent about personal printers is so freaking true lmao!

[@johny_playz7059]

Love the hotline info at the beginning. Hope that anyone. Who needs help can find the strength to get it. I’m rooting for y’all🤞

[@letsplaysoccer1338]

7:23 A-TRAIN knew I recognized him from somewhere😂😂

[@firegirl4707]

Hey cinema sun. love the channel. i noticed one of your sins was about how it didn’t make sense that the demon waited between victims. there were a lot of others like that too. Here is the thing. Demons love chaos. they enjoy the pain and suffering of their victims and waiting a week to kill them with the hallucinations creates horror that the demon enjoys, feeding it and making it powerful. Love the channel keep it up! (btw totally agree with all the transition sins)

[@bubbledoubletrouble]

10:24 “Printers are impossible to use” cliche *DING* A black and white laser printer is cheap, so is third-party toner, the stuff doesn’t expire or dry up even if you don’t print for months, and if you get one with AirPrint it’s pretty much plug-and-play, especially if it has an ethernet port.