Everything Wrong With The Animation Community Critics

How often are these critics misrepresenting the community and lying by omission, purposefully or accidentally? How constructive is the criticism? Is the animation community really THAT hostile to criticism? What's more likely to cause an artist to stagnant, an inflated ego or self-doubt?
Let's analyze the quality and relevance of the criticism about TheOdd1sOut and the rest of the animation community including Jaiden Animations, Lukeorsomething, Tabbes, Spechie and Chillypanda
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✅ Sections: ✅
1:12 Discussing patterns.
4:06 Not changing strategies when people shut you out.
10:02 The misrepresentation of Tabbes Nice Track by Turkey Tom and then by TRO.
12:23 Animation Criticism
17:00 Puppets, Patreon and making others value subjective criticism.
24:29 Children.
26:22 Jaiden Animations V.S. David Firth
29:35 Culty introverts.
33:47 Turkey Tom making my point for me in a video talking about himself.
34:37 Suspiciously wholesome marshmallow man.
39:23 TRO predicts the animation community will fall out of popularity EVENTUALLY and I predict we will all die EVENTUALLY.
41:53 OhMyGodIt'sJames soft Doxing Spechie and TRO arguing Turkey Tom has done no damage to his reputation by being trollish.
48:41 😠
50:26 Sleuthy boi.
51:37 Is there anyway making story time videos can hurt your growth as an artist?
56:31 Let's talk about what usually happens when you criticize accessible KZbinrs.
1:01:17 Daftpina
1:04:27 Hollow social media apologies.
1:09:51 The conclusion.
42:00 I used a video by Lazlack if you're wondering who that was: • Video

[@QuinnCurio]

🍐 I would highly recommend DaftPina’s video he made with the animator Tim Tom. They discuss his past bad behavior, his apologies to people, as well as the review he made of Tim Tom's channel: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iGK3fqeafNh2pcU 🍐 I don't want to pressure you to forgive or trust the critics I criticized. I just want you to know that the people featured in this video are not frozen in time. Some of them are changing their content or have quit doing commentary on people. A couple have quit KZbin altogether. 🍐 While we will see these arguments again from new people, hopefully we'll all become better critics as time goes on. 🤞 Update: 10/11/2019

[@Rus-nu9li]

I just wish we didn't have to be in this entire situation at all :(

[@ArcaneSeason3]

Rus ) I'm pretty sure I can describe that feeling with poetry.. Why does that sound familiar... Anyways, *"The Soul would have no rainbow, if the eyes no tears."*

[@termineitor244]

Very true, one should not forget that people, even bad critics, can and do change their opinions, and can get better, the comunity shouldn´t copy their bad behaviours and bury them in hate, they can get better, they are humans too, as are the animators and rest of, well, youtubers

[@niklaskraus1030]

Are you still planning on uploading. Don't wanna pressure you just wanting to know.

[@QuinnCurio]

@@niklaskraus1030 Of course, I just don't upload often, but I'm not gone forever.

[@KidandSquid]

"THEY CAN'T BE INTROVERTED BECAUSE THEY YELL" *ughhhhhhhhhhhh*

[@dagbackerud7316]

The Latiator I know right, Fluttershy is so overeated.🦄

[@temtem8110]

Breaking news: local critic believes that temper regulates vocal cords. In all seriousness, I can be the most over-the-top loud dumbass around close friends and family members, but I can’t answer the phone if I don’t recognize the number. My dude doesn’t seem to understand that fucking around in front of a mic and actually interacting with people are different things

[@theonlycatonice]

*Yells into cat*

[@MoonyMythic]

I'm allergic to yelling, my throat closes when my voice rises above 6db.

[@imayeti.4674]

The Latiator I’m the loudest person on the planet and I’m an introvert...

[@violin1029]

"If you yell you're not an introvert." I had a stroke

[@xander6925]

who said that?

[@nightynightlayla374]

*Me screaming in the distant*

[@xander6925]

@John Doe Eh, that was his content before. I think he has improved. His content is good

[@guggelguggel7491]

I'm an introvert, and I have bad (like REALLY bad) voice/volume control, hearing and anger management/emotional stability, I can be happy as a hazel but I can become annoyed, irritated, absolutely pissed off the next, then I'm back to normal in just a few moments and sometimes instead of getting pissy I start to instantly cry. Fyi, I am physically incapable of crying on command, I genuinely thought I was incapable of crying for a time because I didn't cry for three years straight. During those years my response to negative situations were that I either shut down, got angry or just sad without tears. And, just for clarification, I doubt it's bipolar, I've gotten diagnosed and they said it was just depression and me being impulsive all the way down both in actions and emotions.

[@bobbymumford]

He actually responded to that an explained he was wrong in a follow up video

[@Multifire]

"If I was 22 and my art looked like this, I would just quit." Have fun never earning new skills then. You don't start good at something, and you shouldn't stop gaining skills just because your completed a quarter of your life. lol, what a knob

[@sannicfann3338]

if people judged and say if it looks awful than movies like the first spiderman (2002) and evil dead movies would be despised

[@imanidiotforreplyingbut7465]

He's clearly not talented or skilled in anything, he should just give up already. I would just quit if was him.

[@SatanicBarbeque]

Right? Like you didn't have to out yourself as a lazy failure like that mr youtube critic

[@robokill387]

@@imanidiotforreplyingbut7465 There's no such thing as talent in art, it's all practice and creativity.

[@ultimatewolfexists2378]

Exactly. You don’t start being good. Don’t expect to sound like Eddie Van Halen at the beginning.

[@Endwidgeon]

"If you yell you aren't an introvert" wow my social ainxiety just miraculously disappeared because i was loud

[@adeer87]

I’m loud around my boyfriend but quiet in public. I’m an introvert and also have social anxiety. I’m also opinionated online. Introversion is not a “shy” stereotype!

[@pancakes8670]

Ikr? I'm a loud person but I'm still incredibly introverted.

[@Endwidgeon]

@@matt6157 i’m just talking about my personal situation where my introversion is a product of my social anxiety. sorry if it came off wrong!

[@atanaZion]

Social anxiety dont make you introverted either

[@Endwidgeon]

@@atanaZion read my reply right above yours, it explains what i meant

[@Iwidelyoutliveeverything]

These are the kind of people that will go on a rant about how you have no skills in photography while you're showing your vacation photos to your family.

[@Cenazinosaur04]

DAMN. YOU’RE NOT WRONG.

[@poog6458]

It's rare to see an IHE parody nowadays

[@Maddie-lc5ii]

F B i What are you even on about?

[@ryohoshi8445]

@@Gingersnaps_the_pumpkin_kitty Go for it.

[@titusweikal414]

Problem is, IHE is great cause it’s about movies and it comes off as less bullying and more just having a good laugh

[@NububuChan]

"You need to accept that people you find annoying can have real problems."

[@futurestoryteller]

I usually assume the people who annoy me have problems... Probably not the right tone for me to take in this context, yeah? Ah well - it's true.

[@TheEmbessyNetwork]

@@futurestoryteller as people, we all have problems and in one way or another, we may annoy somebody ourselves either intentionally or unintentionally. So I second your statement.

[@veeteam1954]

the 300 like is me and, ummmmmmmmmm.......lets-lets just end the comment here ok? ok

[@restingsadface]

@ElephantsLover the video is over an hour long it's not hard to assume someone missed it

[@hikikneko]

NububuChan I made ur like count 690. You’re welcome

[@user-dl3vn8ze9n]

What these critics don't realise, is that people actually LIKE hearing other's relatable life stories. It can actually, I don't know, make you feel that you're not alone? Make you laugh because you relate? Nah, that's not how people work!

[@carlsonraywithers3368]

They focus more on the animation rather than the stories, We don't care if it runs 5 frames per pose as long as they tell interesting stories

[@stitches768]

Exactly, if these stories are so "boring" - why is it that not everyone wants to hear about celebrity stories 24/7

[@SquareNoggin]

I think these critic's audience kinda like making mountains out of mole hills and calling people phony (at length). It's just kinda lame that they pick targets who can be kind of vulnerable. It would seem a lot less mean spirited if they focused their cynicism on some more lofty and untouchable targets (celebrities, writers abd artists with successful careers in the industry and so forth) rather than DIY youtube channels that live and die by the same algorithms as everybody else.

[@AceofSpades-zi6zx]

It doesn't work for me, but I know It does work for others

[@stanisawjurek9775]

I remember that in the past, i thought, that theodd1isout's animation is "lazy". But then, I started working on animation by my own, and ohhhhhh boi. I was a stupid child.

[@TheGamingTeam101Tgt101]

Lmao

[@carlsonraywithers3368]

Especially when you want to smoothen things up

[@aliennot27]

Animation may look easy. But it's actually hard. And I don't even animate.

[@alexplaysminc.-.5922]

@@aliennot27 this is a mood lmao

[@fleuttre4510]

True inhabe not animated but edited it is really hard so having to draw and edit just no just no

[@crushssoda]

I use to be a fan of Daftpina, but after saying that Jaiden was lying about her eating disorder I left that....

[@coolboyyo654]

i left at the "she should just give up drawing" remark tbh

[@kavguy]

Making fun of eating disorder for views......damn I think she would die from that and he said that she lied about it...

[@poodoodrilldick7757]

Its funny people can get offended over the silliest things, seriously your gonna leave a guy for saying some bad words?

[@trixiebewitched]

@@poodoodrilldick7757 yeah you don't bash other people that haven't done anything for a disorder that can and will kill you if you don't get help from family and friends or professional help if it's really bad. That's bullying. Decent people don't support bullies that hide behind the word "criticism" in hopes it will cover their asses from the real truth.

[@sharknom8867]

TheWhiteMidnight Hold on what?! Can someone explain the tea for me I don’t get what’s going on plz :

[@harmonypon7380]

“They were all blending together into the same scowling brunette.” *I’m crying why is that so accurate*

[@usernamesmatter]

levi doneson May you reiterate that please?

[@allyli1718]

Levi Doneson that they’re scowling brunettes? Haha, jk, anyways stereotypes feel accurate, even when they’re not, because we like patterns. In this case, we agree with them because they feel accurate if we see enough of them, even if they’re not actually that accurate.

[@grouchygoat]

"but I wear a hoody and she doesn't" lol that kid is either very wholesome or has an awesome sense of humor... Or maybe both.

[@VelociraptorsOfSkyrim]

Both, both is good.

[@girlsarepoggers]

Do you know who it is/was? That single clip made me interested in their channel

[@Omnihilo]

Timestamp, please?

[@yourbroskijack]

@@Omnihilo I will FIND THEE TIMESTAMB

[@yourbroskijack]

@@Omnihilo 25:53 I FOND IT

[@lazer_kat_4673]

The things Daft said in his video on Jaiden's face reveal make me incredibly angry. Mostly because he is not a licensed therapist or phycologist and has absolutely no legal or ethical right to provide a diagnosis

[@owenparris7490]

And yet people still defend him in his comments...

[@BootybaHooty]

Luminity For Life

[@NameName-yj7lp]

He could have picked any. Other. Video. BUT HE CHOSE THAT ONE. I’m sorry but it’s so TERRIBLE

[@nxgan1088]

I don't get why they were so pissed that odd1sout wouldn't follow Turkey Tom back, people are allowed to choose who they associate with?

[@voidotter1435]

I wouldn't wanna asccosiate with someone who tried accusing someone of pedophilia with a Google doc

[@rosieg6989]

I know, people can follow you all they want, but when it comes down to you it should only be you who decides who you want to associate online with. I absolutely hate the “I’m following you now, so follow me back” comments. I have heard it far to many times and it makes me want to scream.

[@thebadwolf3088]

@Justine Yan Lok Cheung you must hate twomad

[@brightfluorescent2158]

Your profile picture looks like it would taste like a saltine

[@uknownada]

Every time I read Turkey Tom I have to google to remind myself who he is. I've seen some of his videos but he's easily one of the most boring commentary KZbinrs.

[@citrusfriend532]

I used to love daft pina, but after the “you should just quit” or the “if I was 22 and my art looked like that I would just quit” and the whole “jaiden faked the eating disorder for views” thing, it’s hard to view it as *constructive* criticism

[@olgabryanmandagitilaar4963]

He said that Footofaferret should change his titles and add in sources in the description. And that's good with me that Ryde the Ferret should change his titles and add in sources.

[@olgabryanmandagitilaar4963]

I like DaftPina, but I don't like his older videos.

[@priestshrek3738]

Also his Fox Goodman video is beating a dead horse. It's so obvious that he is a clone so why should you even talk about it.

[@olgabryanmandagitilaar4963]

@@priestshrek3738 I wished that Mark could reupload his FGTeev and GG Video.

[@spookyspider2820]

Citrus Friend i always wondered why i didn’t like the critic a lot and justified i didn’t like it because it was negative(which was weird because i don’t mind it) but know i realize it was just most of them being bully’s. i didn’t fucking realize that i knew they were dicks. i

[@mewmew9762]

lets not forget daftpina tried to blame jaiden animation for having a community that made pornography of her character like??? she can't control who draws her why are you trying to blame her for creeps making porn of her persona what the hell is wrong with you. honestly after that video i kinda just stopped watching those guys because they seriously give me just bad vibes especially with how overtly vitriolic they can get with their "criticism".

[@Mandombb]

maybe i'm reaching, but i feel like all these men who "criticized" her are kind of misogynistic? they're so insecure that a girl who's open abt her mental health and vulnerability are getting many subscriber and attention on the internet.

[@Mandombb]

and now with this lewd fanart situation too. Blaming the victim and shit... idk maybe i'm just overthinking this

[@mewmew9762]

@@Mandombb honestly same a lot of blaming jaiden gave me some incel vibes ngl

[@Charadoesthatgaming]

Wait that happened?

[@panataufachry3797]

@@Charadoesthatgaming im not really sure myself but if im correct daftpina made a video about jaiden animations rule 34 art (apparently he deleted the video but there's a reupload if you wanna watch) and then blamed jaiden for encouraging her community to make nsfw art of her even though she did not say anything about rule 34 in the first place to put it in a nutshell it's just daftpina harassing jaiden for no reason

[@Viscidsquare040]

Nowadays Jaiden Animations has basically fully animated and lip synced videos with a team making them and if the critics wanted to they could be like “see! She gave in to criticism and we were right all along!” When she had been increasing fully animated segments slowly for a long time and being a big channel that brings in tons of views can actually afford to do this stuff.

[@OttomagicCritic]

They are just DESPERATE to claim responsibility for the changes like the snowflakes they are.

[@twood12301]

You just became like the disapointed mom of the internet with just one video.

[@twood12301]

And I think thats cool

[@DinoMaster54]

@@twood12301 i think ur cool

[@twood12301]

@@DinoMaster54 aww thanks :)

[@Den_Vazw_Onoma]

wholesome

[@asavvysoundwave3456]

Yee

[@arcadenate]

It’s so funny how James said the things you say will affect you, and then turkey tom got called out for being racist.

[@bluepencil9451]

Karma: "I'm about to wreck this man's whole career"

[@anonymus5637]

@adsaa But they got Him back (Like what happened to James Gunn)

[@offline023]

Hes not racist

[@arcadenate]

Tnt Anawo b u t h e I s

[@arcadenate]

adsaa “harmless edgy jokes” is not racism my dude.

[@illusoryquixot]

Daft Pina is such a foul person, I’m genuinely disgusted. Accusing someone of faking a mental health issue and then telling her to get help for issues he diagnosed her with is just… nasty. Nasty beyond words. I know I’m using strong words but I truly think he embodies them, nasty, foul, and disgusting. And his “apology” only cements how I feel about him.

[@AprilIsTheWorstMonth]

What?

[@feap0d]

Fr its horrible

[@drartemisa21]

Agree 100%. Nasty, Foul, and Disgusting is what he is. In fact, you're very generous with those decriptions. I could use much worse words for this guy off the top of my head.

[@TDIdialgagirl]

Fuck daftpina All my homies hate daftpina

[@tysonevarard968]

I think the backlash he got from that helped him change his content for the better. At least from of his more recent stuff, he seems to be moving away from his past style of presentation. Am I saying that you should change your opinion on him? No.

[@ginncide]

i dont understand why people are surprised that a lot of artists are introverted, like you said in the video, its a hobby that you do inside and by yourself. that sort of thing attracts people who dont like being around others. wild.

[@alicepersson9568]

also, i think (with no scientific backing, just my own experience) that most people period are introverted. once in psychology class the teacher asked us if we thought we were in general/usually introverted or extroverted, and most raised their hand for "introverted". i think the fact it's two words trick people into thinking the populace is split 50/50 between the categories; when in reality, it might maybe lean somewhere like 70/30. then again, i live in sweden, so it may just be a nordic thing.

[@ThomasJefferson-xc8wg]

honestly telling somebody 'if i was 22 and was drawing like this,i would quit' is "CRITICISM" then bullies are critics now

[@victoriaalloisio7641]

Thomas Jefferson when I heard that after just watching a bunch of Chillys videos I was like “bish wah”

[@KhayJayArt]

These asshats on KZbin just want attention. They don't care about the artist.

[@strikingsarcophagus]

Dumb fucking logic. Stop.

[@strikingsarcophagus]

@@KhayJayArt Says the Asshats seeking the attention

[@cjmorris1009]

Wise words from Thomas Jefferson.

[@sappy_]

What really got me was when daft pina accused Jaiden of faking an eating disorder.

[@thetweefirebug]

Yeah, that was an asshole thing to do. It takes a lot of bullshit to make me angry, but that fucking did it.

[@nekoqueen5524]

@@thetweefirebug Honestly, it just goes to show the type of person he is. Which is really rich considering he and the rest of his community are trying really hard to make it seem like the story time animators are the evil ones. I've never seen the animators do ANYTHING like that. It's disgusting.

[@thetweefirebug]

@@nekoqueen5524 I thank you for summing most of the "criticism" community.

[@seanking520]

Devil's Dice *asshole*? They lie sometimes,you think that,but it *can* happen.

[@thetweefirebug]

@@seanking520 1: I was merely sharing my opinion that it was an asshole thing to do. 2: I know people lie, everyone has at some point. 3: What's with the random bulk letters? Edit: oh, and I forgot this one 4: Back at you

[@admin-yo1ee]

I feel like Turkey Tom is the new Keemstar; a youtuber who almost everyone agrees is detestable and makes bad content, yet is inexplicably popular with an insular group of edgy teenagers. He's also always claiming that he's spreading "the truth" when it's usually just misinformation about people he doesn't like.

[@NAME-yg8sl]

So Turkey Tom is the new member of the 'Cockroaches who can't be killed' youtube community.

[@admin-yo1ee]

@@NAME-yg8sl essentially, yeah. Every time his fanbase grows out of that phase, new members come in to replace them.

[@Crypted112]

@VanillaSoft the worst of both worlds

[@carlsonraywithers3368]

Well he's friends with Nicholas De Orio, Another "Tough guy" it does make sense

[@mysteryhatter]

Turkey tom is nothing, I've knew about KZbin critics like I HATE EVERYTHING, Nortalgia Critic or "The Right" Opinion, he's just a narcissist jerk who just a dozen of dorks with no self-love barely follow him. And I don't say because I hate him, cause i barely know him, i say it because a toxic opinologist or critic, never goes as far as a talented artist, or musician, or any kind of talented people, but he gets as what he is, a jerk in front of every people who is a bit smarter than him.

[@adam.n-steve]

The fact that The Right Opinion said that Turkey Tom's history won't affect his career aged like milk after the whole Pyrocynical thing. People brought up his untruthful history and now he's officially one of the jerks of KZbin like Antoons.

[@lamontkhoza2856]

I unsubbed to him after the whole D'angelo Wallace situation. So the whole pyrocynical thing just doubly confirmed my suspicions

[@chinsaw2727]

Honestly his take on the animation community is one of us least greatest takes

[@carlsonraywithers3368]

Really age like milk

[@ChangedMyNameFinally69]

It's kinda sad that's it took and not calling people pedophiles or associating with Neo-Nazis

[@ChangedMyNameFinally69]

@E . A Read what I wrote. I said that it says a lot about YT when they only turned on Tom after falsely accusing le funni meme YTer of something. Not him being a borderline Nazi who's attacked smaller channels

[@juniperrodley9843]

As an introvert I can personally explain why all of them are so good at making a cool personality: These critics have simply underestimated our ability to plan out conversations that never happen!

[@hystericallover5989]

what does you being introverted have to do with anything you said

[@juniperrodley9843]

​@@hystericallover5989 Well see, it was a joke about how, as an introvert, I tend to have a lot of time on my hands to plan out possible interactions rather than actually engage in said interactions with other people. Emphasis on the " *it was a joke* " part.

[@hystericallover5989]

Juniper Rockhopper i just reread your comment, now i understand but it didnt sound like a joke

[@juniperrodley9843]

@@hystericallover5989 Ah, sorry about that. I did just ask a few people and they said it did but if you couldn't see it I'm willing to believe that they just said that cause they thought it was what I wanted to hear.

[@UwU-lm9or]

@@juniperrodley9843 tbh it was funny even i as an extro/intro plan out convos lmaoo

[@chrisjeremy8109]

“These kids aren’t done yet. They need more time in the microwave” No right that’s it I’m subbing.

[@drawnwithlove3499]

I love how it's in the microwave and not an oven. They can't even go in an oven it has to be a cheap microwave

[@winter5123]

HALF LIFE? AHAH

[@winter5123]

GORDON.

[@diablo.the.cheater]

@@drawnwithlove3499 the cheapest microwave

[@parrottarot995]

Just press the reheat button about 5 times and it’ll be warm enough

[@juliam7358]

I agree wholeheartedly with this video. Speaking more on Daftpina being "calm" in his videos, I hate the notion that as soon as someone who cares about a topic gets emotional, they are suddenly inadequate or weak, and the points that they are making are automatically irrelevant. I am someone who cries when I get angry, it sucks, but I can't help it. So when I'm arguing with someone about something I'm passionate about and my face starts to feel hot or I can feel my voice start to crack I hate it because I know that they are going to automatically dismiss what I'm about to say. Just being able to be deadpan doesn't mean that the person is right, it just means that they have a good poker face. They can still say cruel things or have bad takes, but as long as they say it in a collected way people will go crazy for it. I know multiple people like DaftPina, and what they all have in common is they like to think that their takes are edgy and different, when in reality they're just bullies wrapped in fancy packaging. They're mean as fuck, but if you take offense to any of what they're saying, you're just sensitive.

[@Deemee-ed]

I come back to this video 4 years later and I must say this: thank you so much for making this. I was in my early teen stages when I first watched this (and when I first found the "animation critics" channels) and this had genuinely opened my mind. Hearing those same people now makes me realize how pathetic some of them sound, with their attitude and all that superiority complex... But younger me used to look at them and think they were right because of that attitude. Gross. Hearing someone calling that out helped SO MUCH Again, thank you so much for this

[@UrWeid]

It's so cool that you've changed your mind like this, truly admirable.

[@clevername15]

Saying that every “bad” animator should just hire a team of animators for them is like saying that you can’t write music unless you’re classically trained. 99 percent of the most critically acclaimed modern day musicians don’t have the best “chops” but they can write a good ass song, and that’s all that matters.

[@DeathKitta]

This really doesn't make any sense at all. You like to draw, but you ain't 'good enough', which means you should hire people to draw for you. But then... what's the point?

[@NoName-st2jl]

@@DeathKitta exactly

[@nelmae6026]

@@DeathKitta ikr, the critic community is making me lose braincells. There's a thing called improvising, jesus....

[@voidotter1435]

Most modern day musicians use autotune

[@cathl4953]

Michael Jackson didn't even know how to play an instrument, he bit boxed every tune he made

[@alwayssonnie]

Spoctor even made a video like this called " "Critique" is Just Insulting People Now" and yeah I feel like the critics don't understand the difference between helpful and harmful.

[@ramrd5779]

Because these so called "critiques" are completely entitled to their opinion over something. It's not a fucking restaurant to need a critique over what they deliver for being considered good. They're like you entitled estrict parent, makes fun and harass you all around, and then says that they're proud and take credit from your own self improvement. I've seen critics that they understand how, even if it hurts, critique can actually help as long as you are open mind about it, and even I've seen one that recommend _and_ supported a small artist and even said that it wasn't necessary to them tl change a whole comic page over a critique, but if they feel like doing so, and if that helped, he's okay with it. Sorry if i wrote too much.

[@jevilright4630]

Spoctor has changed, kinda.

[@ramrd5779]

@@jevilright4630 for good at least. He's cuter now i guess.

[@needtoknow29]

It's just an excuse to spiteful at their targets. These people don't care about helping people improve.

[@whoplays7061]

those types of channel are the evolved form of cyberbulling with a side of profit and attention that learned from the last generation of youtube mistakes as a way to project themselves as the truth seekers when it reality is way to bring down others

[@SatanicBarbeque]

"Their animation is lazy" "I don't feel like doing work so here's money, draw some pictures for my youtube videos about how lazy youtube animators are" The irony of this is only outweighed by the laziness of the critic community.

[@purpleisdebeste]

Are commissions lazy?

[@SatanicBarbeque]

@@purpleisdebeste they are when you're shitting on someone else's ability to draw like you're an expert

[@purpleisdebeste]

@@SatanicBarbeque I suppose

[@thomas2390]

Hey Maybe it's Because, They don't Claim That their Animators 🤯 Like My Dude LS Mark Mentioned That Argument in His Video.🙄

[@somethingclever4297]

@@thomas2390 still stupid. Even if a professional athlete came last in the Olympics. it would still be stupid to call them unathletic while you lay on your couch with a triple chin.

[@Delikatessen__]

The amount of time they spend arguing that someone's content is terrible because they call their videos animations when, "iTs acTualLY AN AnImATIc" Is so stupid. Who gives a shit if they put animation or animatic in their damn title, it does. not. matter.

[@SmartAlec1]

They clickbait plenty, too.

[@carlsonraywithers3368]

I mean it's not relevant right? The focus in which people watch these videos are the stories

[@llynxfyremusic]

most of the cooments go on about this too, just like, who cares?

[@onyxtheowl24]

Look. If all of these story time animators animated all of their videos as if they were a professional production meant to be released publicly in theatres/streaming sites. Then guess what? Theyd lose their minds. Animation is so hard. And I doubt any of these people who make these “criticisms” have EVER animated themselves. Because if they have they would NEVER make these complaints and whine. Their so pathetic I swear.

[@Purple871]

She dragged them for a straight hour and eleven minutes. The read of the century.

[@kazudolly]

And I wasn't bored for a second

[@Skeletonfreakz]

i remember falling asleep to this video it was so calming lol

[@quendi5557]

Still one of my favourite videos to rewatch.

[@MrChannelforwatching]

Quendi555 i found this video a couple of days ago and I've rewatched it 3 times already. Her way of speaking and the points she presents are so well constructed. I also realised that she did the Ron Weasley video and I remember rewatching that video multiple times last, year, I had no idea she was the same person!

[@quendi5557]

@@MrChannelforwatching I did the same thing when I first watched it.

[@realpartypl]

Y'Know..Bullying someone because they're "Introverted" Or they have had problems in their lives isn't really what I would call "Constructive Critique" but alright..

[@randomreviewsrebooted5156]

PartyPlayz Butch Hartman dislikes this coment

[@slowburgundyy574]

That's one of the most annoying parts. Once you actually step back and look at what these videos are, you realise how ridiculous it is to jump from "you should add smear frames" to "you probably faked your personality and personal history for views". You get whiplash seeing such weird flip flops from people who pride themselves on "objectivity".

[@moss5356]

I know right

[@uncleearl1886]

When a ton of people just make "Oh i'm introverted" their personality it gets boring fast, and in my opinion, seems to be used to add a relatability sting to their channel, not saying that the people aren't introverted, but expanding on your personality other than "I'm introverted" is very refreshing, that's why I love that jaiden seems to be a lunch club regular now, she's expanded from just being awkward and introverted and now seems like a genuinely real person.

[@bromaster4136]

I wouldn’t say they beat them up and said it’s criticism I’d say that they beat them up and said and then said they were helping them figure what to do if they get beat up again

[@mr.preston1632]

“Her art is just bad, if I was 22 I would quit drawing” by that logic anything new you try has to be perfect forever

[@NameName-yj7lp]

It is just such shit. We all would be nothing and do nothing if we all just quit when we couldn’t do things.

[@onyxtheowl24]

Honestly. His art is pretty bad.I love how jayden’s and James’s and rebbeca’s art styles look because their simple and easy to communicate with. Their eyes and faces are simple so you can relate more with them. And simpler character designs make it so you can immerse yourself more with the stories. This dude just feels like a huge narcissist and he should get a life and stop wasting it being a terrible person. You only get one life. Why would you use it to make other people’s only chance at it miserable?

[@libertyprime3827]

By that logic he should quit trying to be a critic.

[@jwx9509]

​@@libertyprime3827 Oooooooooo, buuuuuuuuuuuurn! 🔥

[@hyper_lagomorph1046]

its so crazy realizing how so much of the deep hatred these grown men showed for spechie was just a hatred of a teenage girl who had a personality

[@teeveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee]

Yeah regardless of her flaws, the amount of hate she got was ridiculous. When her faults mostly just amounted to being mildly edgy and needing more practice with drawing at the time.

[@kiwifromchowder]

Tbf Turkey Tom and LS Mark were in highschool when they made those "critiques", and have improved since this video. Regarding Daft Pina... yeah, you're right.

[@Kris-wo4pj]

honestly cuz of all that hate it caused her obvious mental health issues to spiral and now shes just clawing her way back to normal as an adult. all cuz a few grown men couldnt handle a bitchy 16 yr old and a few edgelord teenagers couldnt get over themselves and kept trying to impress their idols so did shit that would make any adult get their ass kicked for.

[@Kris-wo4pj]

@@kiwifromchowder turkey tom is still an edgelord he just picks on actually terrible people and finally good at research now. oh and he keeps most of his opinions to himself.

[@gastounmanar9814]

​@@kiwifromchowderThat doesn't mean that we should excuse all the bad things they did. It's Spechie who should decide to forgive them or not, but the whole "they were young" is not an argument to excuse everything.

[@Chimera-man-man]

Oh god, that DaftPina thing where he tries to diagnose Jaiden for a different mental illness than the one she says she has is the slimiest thing I’ve seen a youtuber do on camera Ugh

[@XwX1001]

What else can be expected from a guy who sits on a throne with the same energy as the Queen of Hearts?

[@Chimera-man-man]

Royal Nugget a mistake is when you makes like a factual error or slur your speech or some shit, not deliberately making a video attempting to call out someone’s mental health diagnoses like an internet psychologist with PhD in being a little bitch I think it’s funny you’re calling me a simp tho seeing as you love the DaftPina dude enough to come in and try and defend his slime ass, he’s not going to fuck you dude so you should save your energy

[@Chimera-man-man]

Royal Nugget initially I wasn’t even commenting on whether or not he had apologised or been forgiven or even what kind of person he is, I don’t know the guy and I don’t care I’m just amazed/disgusted at his actions and how he filmed, edited and posted a video like that without reconsidering what he was doing So no, I wouldn’t care if the Pope personally forgave him at the Vatican for his actions, I’m still dumbfounded over how he thought they were okay in the first place

[@Chimera-man-man]

Royal Nugget I’m not annoyed, I’d be annoyed if everyone didn’t already point out how shitty it was but that’s not the case. I’m disgusted and bewildered over how someone thought that was an okay thing to do in the first place, it’s like wow someone was actually that much of a dick online what the fuck

[@river7591]

DaftPina apologized for it and is making much better videos now, i really enjoyed the "tracer" video

[@mallowmelody994]

Honestly, if I was Jaiden and if someone said that I was faking my disorder I talked about in a heartfelt video, I’d be literally crushed - catch me sobbing on the floor crushed. Like what? What did she do to be villanized like that?

[@SiRenfield]

And that ladies gents and those in between is why gatekeeping is my biggest pet peeve!

[@SommerSen]

Being too nice and spotlighted while a bunch of drama experts traumatized by the shitstorm that was 2016 are running around

[@saltoftheegg]

She reminds them of the women who have rejected them

[@SpookyEggs]

She was popular, that’s all

[@mallowmelody994]

SS - 08PM - Sunny View MS (1439) *sarcasm*

[@Jenna-in4br]

The most annoying thing to me is when they tell these artists to "just quit". I abosultey hate that, it doesn't matter how old someone is or what thier art is, telling them to just give up and quit is gross.

[@stitches768]

Yeah, if someone quits - it should be on their own terms

[@poweroffriendship2.0]

Telling someone to quit is not how criticism work.

[@animoo.]

I want every commentary channel who jumped on the jellybean hate train to watch this.

[@livesathome2475]

To put it simple, these “critics” is basically kicking you in the face, insult you, then telling you it just criticism

[@livesathome2475]

Not like a normal kick, like how gohan SPIN kicked cell from dbz kakorot

[@lolboi7434]

@@livesathome2475 Not all of them though

[@traitwopronounwncethess2566]

and then once your face heals, they expect to be thanked that you improved

[@itz-a-rave-dave]

And then they turn their entire community against you because you’re a crybaby that can’t take criticism because you blocked them on Twitter because you found them annoying

[@Mbewe_SM]

Oh so it's a spinoff of " iTs JuST a PrANk BrO."

[@FranK-tg7ou]

I’m noticing a pattern of critics viewing their criticism as objective and you can’t critique their criticism or else your blind

[@nimboss]

There's a lot of people who believe themselves holder's of truth. THEIR truth is the truest truth. If you ignore them, you're a blind sheep. But, despite your willing ignorance, he tried his best to save you, but you were just too far gone.

[@WingItMan217]

I think it’s both. Animators can’t take criticism, critics can’t give good criticism. You need both if you wanna improve

[@sonicroachdoggjrraven3263]

*You’re

[@FranK-tg7ou]

Seaweed Senpai I think a lot of them can but if the critics suck where is the criticism and I don’t just mean animation critics I mean people like jelloapocalypse or dunkey who have one way of thinking about things and that’s it you aren’t allowed to disagree

[@Source-Z-rer]

@@FranK-tg7ou Dunkey's most recent video makes a lot more sense now.

[@Nooo893]

I used to watch DaftPina until I discovered that he accused Jaiden Animations of faking her mental illnesses. I know he apologized but that was extremely messed up to say. And as someone who struggles with mental illness as well. I find that extremely disgusting

[@Nooo893]

@Hate fueled I don't remember hearing that. More the reason to hate him ig

[@NerdMiGerd]

"If you can't do full animation yourself, you can just... pay someone to do it for you" has the same energy as "let them eat cake" for me. Like, gee, I bet these people would *love* to pay for supporting artists/animators for their personal projects, I would too. But we only got so much money, and the notion that this is just a simple fix is pretty laughable to me.

[@tortis6342]

At least "Let them eat cake" was fake and probably not something a real person said.

[@shoobagoo6108]

I find the funniest part about KZbin "critics" is that surprisingly most of them cant take the type of criticism they dole out on a daily basis. Really makes you think huh.

[@polychrome2838]

@shoobagoo Exactly! They're like that talking scale from the Garfield comics!

[@winter5123]

THE DOGE.

[@CartoonyBoi]

Their pussies is what they are; hiding behind screens while they insult others who don’t need criticism and only give or give more anxiety

[@Darkgun231]

I'd probably be unable to take criticism if someone was bashing something I loved doing and earned me money. Or maybe I'd be a saint and ignore it all. Not sure, never had the problems these guys do. And I suppose that's my point: You can't take the morale high ground if you can't even reach it in the first place, or been at the high ground and seen the negative comments batter away like artillery.

[@theshamanite]

It's more of a no-duh, they don't exactly come off as a stable character.

[@tea_2008]

imagine insulting someone over whether or not they follow you on social media like imagine having to go that low to insult someone

[@Xenderman]

@@NeiasaurusCreations Imagine taking her words out of context

[@river7591]

@@NeiasaurusCreations can ypu give me tje mark

[@leoisdumb3508]

@@NeiasaurusCreations _if you cant prove your argument then why are you arguing_ _at least have some basis on what you're saying_

[@questerpher44]

Neiasaurus Creations That’s a straw mans Argument. Your argument has no foundation therefore it collapses. You give your so called “fact” without proofing it. How do you expect people to believe you if you have no proof? Or are you just responding people to start an argument? Go join a mock trail and debate club and learn how to debate someone. Because you look like a douche bag.

[@questerpher44]

Neiasaurus Creations lol thanks for proving my point. You have no argument.

[@Silverwind87]

This bad faith critique that they do, where they very obviously incite harassment of someone they don't like, then feign innocence by claiming that it's "just constructive criticism," is exactly what is happening to the Minecraft KZbinr Jellybean. If you don't like her content, don't watch it. What the rant community is doing to this Jellybean kid is unacceptable. And if you point out that what they're doing to her is borderline cyberbullying, they'll just laugh and say "I'm just giving my opinion." Seeing what's been happening to her makes me sick.

[@kennethfajardo9102]

I agree with this so much.

[@nineinchthread]

I don't know if turkey tom really grew up tbh I think he's kinda trying to be like leafy tbh.i do appreciate him calling out people like pedos and zoophilia Wich is good.just don't really enjoy him as a person and his fanbase

[@auxerae]

it's quite ironic how these critics' criticism is often about the amount of frames in an animation or how lifeless the puppet is, when their own animated stuff is pretty much on par (or in my opinion even worse)

[@jessicajovel8194]

"stop drawing, and try a new hobby"? well, that's mean.

[@cwoodswdcchannel8297]

Yep

[@connorconnor2421]

"give up your entire career"

[@e.normastits00000]

wow ;-;

[@adamlambboy8332]

Sometimes I wonder if these critics actually hear themselves when they speak. How do you just tell someone to give up on their passion hobby because you don’t like it? This is something that makes them happy, as well as others. They’re definitely a special breed of asshole.

[@exandah383]

Also, art is about constant improving, teaching folks out there that if your art is not good for others they should quit instead of trying to improve is just harmful

[@shadowjade458]

The “what would her professor think” line really grinds my gears. As someone who actually went to college for animation the need to observe trends and be willing to change as the market and taste does was a HUGE part of what my instructors taught us, you have to adapt or you die. Also funny how they go into the history of animation but omit that in the earliest days animation was highly detailed but took a very long time and that’s what lead to characters like Micky Mouse and the “rubber hose” style of animation. They were designs built on simple shapes so any animator could draw them and it would cut time to produce shorts. The same thing that you see in KZbin story times. When your taught by people whom art is their job you learn you can communicate a great deal with very little, and you need to know where to focus your time and effort because they are finite resources.

[@thepretzalspicer5831]

I like Rebbeca's oldstyle so it didn't grind my gear it just bugs me to this day by the fact that she changed her style

[@Dratspider]

Honestly to me the really bad part is right before that when the dude accused her of changing style to match other youtubers which is patently false. Dudes basically saying that cause other people have a similar style that hers is invalid.

[@mantaraywizard]

"i dont like her style of animation so therefore its bad. I am authority right?? because i have a critic youtube channel?? Im obviously superior. I'm on the same level as her art professor probably, he'd hate this too." its so self entitled and rude. everyone working on animation storytime videos does a great job because at the end they made something. these guys just think they're hot shit by using the same format but being mean to people about it.

[@andrewbaggins7093]

@@thepretzalspicer5831 Yeah it happens. :(

[@JoshtheOverlander]

What's more is that there's a good chance her professor would love her animation style, considering that in a video Rebecca made, she stated that her main inspiration for the whole no mouths aspect of her animation was because of her professors love of characters like Gromit from Wallace and Gromit. Theidea of a character with no mouth having to use their brow to show expression and personality. That whole "what would her professor think"question clearly shows that they don't pay attention or look deeper into things. Even possibly just bandwagoning on the idea that the animation community is bad.

[@FedoraKirb]

I don’t think I’ve ever understood the idea that if content you don’t like sees overwhelming success, it doesn’t “deserve” it. Like, people aren’t stupid. If JaidenAnimations has 9 million subscribers, it means that 9 million people _like her content_ enough to subscribe.

[@theflaminglitten-fo6jd]

I never really understood calling it ''deserve'' whenever I see ''this doesnt deserve so many views and attention!'' I think- well obviously it does? I mean that doesnt mean its good it just means a bunch of people felt they should click on it and a certain amount of people liked clicking it and a certain amount of people didnt like clicking it :/

[@an8strengthkobold360]

Counter point, 5 minute crafts/watch mojo

[@FedoraKirb]

@@an8strengthkobold360 23.4 million people like watch mojo (or maybe subscribe to make fun of it, I dunno).

[@LowIntSpecimen]

I get what you're saying, but I feel like something like Jaystation faking his girlfriend's death for subscribers on his second channel *may* be pushing it.

[@MiggyBird]

“It’s a trend, it’s a fad, it’s a phase!” “So is being alive.” That’s my favorite take from this video and my favorite take on maybe anything from a video essay ever.

[@Rodrigo-kq3js]

mfw everything is temporary all turns to dust dust turns to all

[@williambutcher7429]

“NO, DONT TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF! CATER TO ME, THE PERSON WHO HATES YOU!”

[@sweethysteria8737]

It’s sad because it’s true

[@feap0d]

God u put it perfectly

[@dawildbear]

"Being alive is a fad" - Quinn Curio 2018

[@dawildbear]

Wait I have an actual joke "It's not just a phase mum! I'm gonna live forever!"

[@calvinpell1738]

Death is mainstream #money

[@projectnaiad4534]

It is. And honestly I'm over it sis, death come take me

[@dalailarose1596]

*"Yelling 'NO FALSE GODS' at a mall Santa"* Well, now I know my 2021 Xmas plans

[@FancyFufflyBunny]

I usually like TheRightOpinion's videos but when I watched the one about the animation community, the first thing that came into my mind was "he must really be out of content". His video was a whole lot of nothing.

[@llynxfyremusic]

I kinda gave up on him after this video released, partially because i grew out of drama commentary. I just realized how dumb it all was

[@Edenistics]

"you're 13 and that's basically 14 which just takes 4 years to be 18 which isn't a lot of time so act like an adult"

[@Benmemon]

"you're 12, therefore your struggles are invalid, and YOU should listen to and do whatever i say, because I'm an adult and you're a child! and children cant be more mature than some adults because I'm too stupid to consider the fact that some adults are fucking retards because maybe if i weren't such a dimwit i would've known! and I'm sOoOOoOo narcissistic that i think you should look up to me despite me being a fucking terrible person! I'm an adult, so therefore I'm modifier of all earth , reality, and logic! man up, kid! im too airheaded to consider that you're human too!'

[@tysonevarard968]

@@Benmemon looks like someone's salty

[@atanaZion]

@@tysonevarard968 Bruh moment

[@tysonevarard968]

@@atanaZion for sure

[@DPedro3]

I didn't even realize there was so much drama behind animation channels wtf i thought it was just wholesome fun

[@NoName-st2jl]

When something wholesome comes the anti wholesome you know the party poopers

[@kindacringeman6037]

@@NoName-st2jl Couldn't have said it better myself

[@bluememe4652]

@@NoName-st2jl this is so right it hurts

[@quendi5557]

Welcome to the nasty side of the internet. It's best to ignore it where possible.

[@theparrot6516]

Nothing is just that

[@thezdude8512]

I've got to say, this is one of my favorite videos on the whole site. Criticism is rarely criticized at all, and you manage to do it without falling into the same traps a lot of KZbin critics do (cruelty in place of jokes/critique, failing to differentiate between lack of skill and poor ethics, etc.). This video manages to be very informative without being inflammatory. Excellent work.

[@Andor.]

this video aged like fine wine because like over half these critique channels are deleted over of drama lmao

[@kazudolly]

LMAO REALLY?

[@Andor.]

​@@kazudolly yes like half of these channels do not exist anymore and you cant find the videos anymore hah

[@randomuruk7230]

No they're not, just straight up making lies,

[@Rodrigo-kq3js]

​@@randomuruk7230where's YO TURKEY TOM NOW BOYO! MUAHAHAHHAHA

[@Rodrigo-kq3js]

im fucking losing it

[@tropical5135]

"their 'animation' is lazy" they say as their cartoon character moves in the same 3 positions

[@UwU-lm9or]

lets not forget their chracters for their channel just...dont have good character design- like ngl they remind me of the 2013 deviant art characters where the colors and everything are just eh-

[@thecheshire5762]

@Poky if you’re not an animator wtf would you know about animation and what information would you be able to provide

[@metal9076]

@@thecheshire5762 animatic and animation are different so these people are animatics but lazier

[@zuelonglover8579]

Imagine comparing animators to commenters, then making an argument that animators animate better lol

[@tropical5135]

Ok I do admit my point is a bit bad, but still the character designs are bad, and uninspired.

[@Sheena000]

These people remind me of the “can I speak to your manager” ladies that get mad when they’re prevented from abusing an employee.

[@futurestoryteller]

Well, mine were usually men, but what I _always_ found amusing is how infrequently things escalated if you just took on the same tone they approach you with. Kind of like the conflicting narratives about dealing with bullies. Sure, if you punch back then it might just be a fight, but we have to acknowledge, it _is_ often just as likely - if not moreso, to end the bullying. Then again it depends on how they perceive you in relation to them.

[@UwU-lm9or]

Karen is that you? I finally stole your house and Insurance Karen You took my kids so I stole your house now it's mine

[@bluepencil9451]

"Can I speak to your smear-frames?"

[@changsiah2]

dead meme

[@zigzoinks5493]

Chang Siah Lim That was 5 months ago...

[@iluvnumberstations]

i feel like the reason these critics stay in their lane of picking on story time animators and animation meme creators is because if they were to act this way while critiquing other pieces of media, like anime, movies, etc. they would be mocked and chased off. they can get away with this petty, egotistical and downright ridiculous form of "criticism" because the people they are attacking mostly children and micro-celebrities they believe have to listen to them and can't defend themselves from shit like this. it's like middle school kids bullying elementary school kids, if those middle schoolers went to college and kept acting like this it wouldn't be tolerated. with this theory, seeing how high and mighty these (mostly young adult men) hold themselves and act towards others is hilarious. i hope someone gives all of them the reality check one day that they're being embarrassing.

[@Rodrigo-kq3js]

reality comes for us all one day

[@urbangirl98]

Oh my goodness I came across these channels a few years ago and it infuriated me to no end. As someone who studied art and animation in university this kind of criticism would not hold in an academic setting, and yet they act like they’re the end all be all of ‘critique’. Makes my blood boil. Thanks for the video!

[@whumpem]

Remember when Daft claimed Jaiden was faking her ED for attention? Yeah, me too.

[@chickensox6083]

Jesus christ, seriously?? I thought TurkeyTom was bad for calling Spechie fat and then acting like the victim when she blocked him. That’s seriously fucked up.

[@prettybigpengus]

I remember completely Good thing is that he apologized and took it down

[@Source-Z-rer]

@@prettybigpengus 1:06:54 Then this will seriously piss you off. I know it pissed me off.

[@prettybigpengus]

@@Source-Z-rer I just passed by it. Now I'm pissed off

[@MarouaneTF]

@@prettybigpengushe also still didn't take down his video about jaiden's song which surprise surprise is the same as the face reveal video which is mentioned in the video

[@Mandrake_root]

"These people act like they're at Disney world talking to a manager because peter pan was acting out of character" oh my GOD 😂😂😂😂

[@ChuckRuck523]

*HEIYAAH!*

[@CraneoHR]

it is not that funny tf

[@ChuckRuck523]

@@CraneoHR that wasn't the point the point was that was a funny example of what critics are

[@CraneoHR]

@@ChuckRuck523 yeah like i said, not funny

[@ChuckRuck523]

@@CraneoHR whatever. Your opinion

[@juliagiles1547]

Rewatching after what happened with ilymation. One of the nicest animators on the platform got doxxed bc a so-called “intellectual critic” willingly misinterpreted a piece of health advice she gave, and it feels like the Internet is siding with the critic just bc they thought ilymation was annoying when she tried to ask her fans for help. This video needs to be required viewing for everyone on the internet, because we clearly haven’t learned anything from the last time we treated people like this.

[@MCheesesushi]

Every single clip of the critics just sounds like „boohoo why are you popular and not me“.

[@TheSquallAce]

"I know people who went to this school and they say it wasn't as bad as Speechie described it to be" You mean different people can have different opinions on the same thing? Well, shit, don't that just beat all?

[@futurestoryteller]

"I don't know what the black dude was talking about, but I met some people who thought that KKK rally was a'ight."

[@GrandCorsair]

That also ignores that some people get treated better then others let's face. Some people have teachers or students who they just don't get along with. There can be many reasons like being an introvert, autistic, race, religion, who your parents are or a bad first impression can get you singled out. Just because a few people had a decent time at a school doesn't mean your bad experience is invalid.

[@Horatio787]

The only comment on this video that made me audibly laugh.

[@peoplesoft2784]

Your point is valid and correct. However in the interest of playing the other side, it could be possible that the point that is trying to be made, is that Speechie is being disingenuous and exaggerating how bad school was for him/her (don't know who Speechie, I came from TRO video)

[@TheSquallAce]

@@peoplesoft2784You didn't really present the other side or oppose my argument, you literally just regurgitated his... I was going to say argument, but really it's nothing more than an assertion. "she could be being disingenuous" She could be, but where is the evidence for that? It sure as hell is not sufficient to talk about someone else's experience there because, and try to get your head around this, because it gets complicated, their experience will be different from speechie's because, again, try to keep up, they are not speechie. On top of that, how do we know the people he spoke to aren't being disingenuous? How can we be sure that he's not being disingenuous and if these people even EXIST? Do you see the issue with this way of thinking yet? YOU could be being disingenuous. I could be being disingenuous. Anyone could always be disingenuous. Merely pointing out the possibility of someone being disingenuous is NOT an argument that they are. You need to actually present evidence. "I came from a TRO video" I have literally no idea why you told me that. I couldn't care less where you came from or who you watch. It's irrelevant to your... Again, argument is too strong a word...

[@Dak-xf5qj]

I like how they argue that they don't have good animation, while at the same time they're "animation" is someone else's drawing being dragged around in photoshop for 30 minutes.

[@devonmolina5200]

But don't you see? They're allowed to have shit art, because they're "rebels" who "make their art intentionally lazy to mimic the KZbinr they're criticizing", you wouldn't understand it man.

[@asmolpieceofapplepie8465]

Devon Molina Man you are right. its just like modern art. it’s not shit, you just don’t understand it.

[@devonmolina5200]

@@asmolpieceofapplepie8465 Modern art actually has effort behind it, lazy KZbin critics don't put effort into their content because they don't need to. Leafy made his views bullying little kids with CSGO footage, it doesn't take much effort to be a KZbin critic.

[@anettoja9331]

Well you don't have to be a animator to tell how bad animation is. I am not defending them, tho-

[@cedricho166]

Anett Oja well I would like to argue that the thing that made storytime animator popular is the commentary and dialogue, not the merits of the animation. For story time animators to use a drawn format to present their stories is to allow for visual communication. Not many people like to just sit and listen, and the stories they tell would be much less interesting with visuals.

[@funnyvideoguy3216]

"If I was 22 like her I would stop and choose another hobby" Hmmm, that sounds an awful lot like "They should stop making music and stick to what their good at" - Ricegum

[@ravenclawesome9093]

A lot of ppl are coming back to this video after 2 years have passed, and I really think that's a testament to how much these KZbinrs have "changed", since when this video was first made.

[@OttomagicCritic]

2 months later, and DaftPina got in trouble for doxing another artist for a false pedophile accusation. You think for a person that learned from not making fun of someone's eating disorder, he would know better not to dox someone as a form of moral grandstanding. Absolutely disgusting!

[@owyemen9367]

At least ls mark learned because he made his own animation

[@randomuruk7230]

@@owyemen9367 Or because he was literally 16 at the time of this videos creation.

[@zmanthepanda3255]

26:32 I found this one to be funny, because in one of Rebecca Videos she literally says that the reason she changed her art style was because her art professor always enjoyed Russel and Gromit, because she always found it fascinating how you could tell what a character was feeling/thinking without the need of a mouth. That’s why she chose the art style, not because it was easier or to “fit in” but because it’s what her art professor would have Wanted. The irony is hilarious.

[@notafish7206]

what is her channel's name? I'm trying to find more animation channels.

[@beankaty2651]

@@notafish7206 Let Me Explain Studios

[@zmanthepanda3255]

@@notafish7206 The channels name is “Let me explain studios” I also recommend you check out the 12 steps of animation.

[@quendi5557]

This is a bit off topic but is Russel what Wallace is called outside of the UK? If so, I learned something.

[@namingisdifficult408]

@@quendi5557 It’s definitely still Wallace and Gromit in America anyway

[@trduke8347]

"This is like shouting false gods at a mall santa" was such a perfect way to describe the cognitive dissonance these people seem to have. I used to watch a lot of daftpina and their video on Jaiden literally made me stop in the middle and unsubscribe. I think it was around where he mentioned that it was exploitative that her video was so long when his was thirty fucking minutes long. The fact that these people are such leeches yet act holier than though is the worst part.

[@winter5123]

anime.

[@ohno3730]

why do people write such long sentences and paragraphs in videos similar to this?

[@shmeegis466]

Channels you've subscribed to mostly because they have much to say on the topic. If you don’t feel the same, hey, that’s fine, but the point of most of the stacks of words normally are to prove their point.

[@imevil974]

@@ohno3730 it is 4 normal length sentences....

[@hellfirdragon17]

@@imevil974 Be gentle, his brains a bit smooth

[@crispybi1474]

I really like this video a lot; I keep going back to it again and again - the way the essay is structured, the points Quinn makes, and the way they break down most of the arguments used by critics to shield themselves from criticism. Especially the way Quinn talks about the four different ways someone who’s been criticized can respond and how it turns out - it applies for a lot more than just the community they chose to focus on.

[@antthegord9411]

All of them critics been real quiet since this came out. fr though, surprising none of them have tried to """""refute"""" this video yet from what I've found. also I'm getting a strong sense that these critics are quite jealous that these "half-assed animations" still rake in tons of views and money for the people making them. Of course, to people who don't animate and apparently have no idea how hard and time consuming animation is, the money they make can't be earned because the content is too lazy.... The irony is... palpable. something something pot calling the kettle black also also it's strange that so many critic channels use red (a typically aggressive color) as their primary channel colors. (IHE, TRO, TT, etc.) almost like it's what they want their viewers to see when they watch videos on the critics' victims.

[@tysonevarard968]

Believe it or not, there are some critics of this video in particular, one dude (who I'm not gonna name) basically made a half hour video calling Quinn a disingenuous, hypocritical and overly-emontional crybaby, and then proceeded to embody literally all of the points she made in this video. To add to that, it was made like 2 years after this video dropped AND after the whole community had already moved past the drama. I think one of the reasons why this video made it big was bc the STA (storytime animation) community and the general audience had grown fed up of the constant barrage of hit pieces coming out in that moment of time. More than anything, I think this video represented the perspective of the outsider, and how they were tired of the same drama surrounding the STA community being recycled over and over again for views and clout.

[@Tacom4ster]

Exaggerating personal events for comedic purposes....... Do these critics ever heard of stand up comedians, that been doing that stuff for decades

[@berserker3414]

Also, hyperbole, it's part of poetry and literature

[@mimsilvernote]

Also isn’t exaggeration the 10th principle of animation? I’m pretty sure Rebecca even pointed it out in one of her videos that she exaggerates her animation for comedic and dramatic effect

[@mimsilvernote]

@the hevy I know, it still applies

[@extrablandchaos2149]

Who hasn't exaggerated something to make it funnier? You don't have to be a comedian to want to make people laugh. Don't be a buzz kill kids.

[@ARCHIVED9610]

Maybe they’re just practicing, as they seem to have gotten the clown part down.

[@Ma-tz6oe]

“See i had to make a video about criticism before i got criticized because if i do it after everyone would call me a bitter blueberry” A power move

[@juniperrodley9843]

*Outstanding move*

[@doofenshmirtz-official]

I’ve watched this video so many dang times, not only because it’s entertaining (I’m currently watching while playing Mario Galaxy) but because it’s so well-made and informative. It also gets me REALLY riled up lol. Still not able to forgive DaftPina for what he said about Jaiden Animations. Every time I’ve thought about this, I’ve come to the conclusion that these critics really need to get off the internet and interact with other people. Maybe learn an instrument. Classical guitar is pretty nice. But yeah, it’s been really helpful to me in discerning light, funny content from genuinely harmful content! Great work!

[@rogejmnz3039]

Same. Almost every month I just come back here

[@DWN037]

I read that in Doofenshmirtz' voice

[@owenparris7490]

This is a relax video for me lol.

[@dragonslayer7724]

Now I can’t get the image of Doof playing Mario Galaxy out of my head

[@tobiodeyemi5274]

@@DWN037 Me too.

[@feap0d]

1:11:06 that quote made me cry, its exactly what im going thru as an artist. My perfectionism makes me feel like im never good enough, so i get frustrated and exhausted easily when i draw. The guilt i feel for not pursuing my passion as much as i used to is overwhelming, and im rll scared i wont be able to overcome this struggle, which sucks cause i love creating art with all my heart and i couldnt imagine my life not doing it.

[@timbu839]

same here! let’s try to keep going, we can do this

[@ferist2216]

it's kinda funny how some of these "critics" can't take criticism themselves, and claim that anyone who dissagrees with them are "snowflakes". People do not have to take your criticism, you're not that special, and it's not like they are comitting a crime by not animating the way you want them to

[@residenteye6818]

Ferist It’s so ironic it cured my iron deficiency

[@arcadenate]

Ferist Even constructive criticism.

[@sharkcraft8568]

I feel like these critics think that they are gods/are entitled to everything/can control other people’s actions

[@arcadenate]

Sharkcraft Yeah, if you don’t listen to them, you’re doing something wrong.

[@sharkcraft8568]

@MrMarmalad maybe not all of them but some definitely do

[@joker_views]

their “criticism” always felt hateful

[@abigailw7146]

Because it’s not “criticism” It’s pure hate, just like you said You can’t just say “ur content is bad u fake disorder arent i great” that’s hate. Criticism is c o n s t r u c t I v e

[@joker_views]

@@abigailw7146 that’s why I said it in quotations LOL but my thoughts exactly

[@TastyTaify]

And I sense a bit of jealousy in their words.

[@Hello-qv2fx]

And then they have the gull to say that the don't hate them

[@cgkase6210]

I was always angry about TRO because of one thing: Prior bias in his videos. What I mean by this is how he frames James/Odds1Out as a villain, shoving words he never intended down his throat to show he wasn't being a good person. When in his review of YandereDev and YandereSimulator, he has the gall to take a neutral stance to the piece of garbage who already had so many videos on him showing he was a horrible human being

[@Hello-qv2fx]

Dumbest things that they did: Saying that their animation was lazy and comparing them to people that aren't similar to them at all. Accusing Jaiden of faking her disorders.🖕 "The school being bad, but in reality, it was good 😱" Thinking that was an argument. Not understanding what introversion and extroversion are. Not understand what Tabbes meant. Thinking that they're the lords and saviours who's warnings we should heed. Expecting animations on a TV show's budget even though their characters have at most five poses. Add more if you want

[@helpmeihavenolife5668]

i forget which video it was from, but i remember pkrussl saying about ginjaninjaowo "people don't hire her because she's good, people hire her because she's popular" i think it might have been in his first (now deleted) video about her

[@Pinka13]

NeoJesus' video was one of the most unnecessarily angry and bitter KZbin videos I've ever seen. Like bruh, did Jaiden steal your toy truck when you were in kindergarten or something? Geez...

[@mysticpumpkin8520]

Wow imagine insulting someone and invalidating all their traumatic experiences, using arguments based solely on unsubstantiated speculation, and then asking why they don't take your "criticism" seriously That's why I hate the community of critics and their fans. They insult them, invalidate their points and expect you to thank them and then you intend to take the credit for their improvement and for some reason they are immune to criticism, as if they themselves had no failures Good video by the way

[@epicrabid1857]

@@doubleE24 maybe we are fed up of people saying we should give up or that they are no good because we know, we know we aren't good but that doesn't mean we don't want to improve it takes time especially for art, this is not like programming or gaming where everyone has similar or the same goals, art has different levels of mastery and we don't know were we will end up. Then someone we have never heard of and was never interested in anything we were doing telling us we are wrong and we should do it there way because it's 'better' im afraid there not because it's not what we want it's what they want. Anyway it 4:52 feel free to pick apart everything i said and hiw i should improve.

[@ovenb5549]

@@doubleE24 every fandom has them including these "critics"

[@alexandradautriche2221]

@@ovenb5549 Exactly, it's no sides fault. All fandoms have their bad parts and there's no justification for it.

[@bigbananabill]

they just don't care about criticism, them, most likely. and besides actual criticism on youtube will be met with death threats upsettingly

[@dagbackerud7316]

Oh no the windegoes, windigoose?🦄

[@furcornmanwiththemasterpla8380]

They say that TimTom was a guy who just copied Odd1sout because he was popular, and got popular after it. Bro, they were friends back when Tim had 15 subs, and James endorsed his channel because of them being friends and because of James enjoying his content, That's how he got the kickstart, in NO way did TimTom get big because he followed a trend.

[@cartoonmaster2401]

Y'know DOMICS and SWOOZIE? The main two who practically freakin' *INVENTED* KZbin ANIMATION?! People say their both TheOdd1sOut copies. Hell, people are called copies of James who've been doing their same animation for almost FIVE YEARS before he even made his first KZbin video.

[@pollall2793]

Cartoon Master Not necessary correct, Dom and Swoozie invented the genre true, but Odd modernized and popularized it.

[@cartoonmaster2401]

@@pollall2793 Yes that's true, but you can't be a COPY of someone who did the same thing AFTER you: If I got a green apple, and you saw me with it, and you got a green apple, did I copy you?

[@pollall2793]

Cartoon Master Not the same thing, it’s like someone getting a green apple, than I get a mango, than everyone else decided they also want mangos, true Domics sort of started the trend, but Odd popularized it.

[@cartoonmaster2401]

@@pollall2793 But does that mean they copied him?

[@Delano777]

I feel like people should re-watch this video every now and then, just to keep us all grounded

[@charlielight2488]

exactly! i have a tradition of watching this at least once a year to keep me grounded

[@joegoodart6241]

They are critiquing them for having static characters talk on the screen by using static characters talk on the screen. Is that supposed to be parodying them?? Sounds like they’re jealous their animatic channels aren’t as successful 😂

[@Rissfleisch]

It's toxic people wondering why people don't like them. When you're a ball of negativity, people won't like you. Except some miserable ones. And the circle of toxicity continues.

[@Iamjustherek]

“Your crush has seen your text and they have pressed ‘Mark as Unread’.” Yes, hello police? I’ve just witnessed a murder

[@Zethis]

"what she did to him? Well, ill just say he has third-degree burns all over the body!" that line was A Worth the entire time (jk the rest was well done and all, too, but its still a killer joke!) B lethal

[@vergillives9890]

Lol thank you

[@vergillives9890]

I missed that

[@somebodylikesbacon1960]

My response to that is my crush hasn't marked it as read because I don't have her number, so I can't send the text to be marked as read!

[@theelusive1736]

If they just criticized their animation and stories, I'd be fine with them. But, the fact that these critics then go on to call these people annoying and belittle their personalities and problems when they have no right to is just downright mean. Then, when the animators don't listen to them because they, for a lack of a better term, bully them, the critics get angry. Well, no shit the animators weren't going to listen to you, you just called them annoying shams, why would they ever want to listen to you?

[@uncleearl1886]

So if my friend is being a dickhead and I tell him "hey you're being a dickhead" i'm in the wrong? Or if my friend is annoying me and I tell him "dude you're annoying me" i'm still in the wrong? And yes the part of "Friend" may make it seem less severe cause we're friends but the point is, if someone is annoying, you should tell them it, or you're just letting them go around and annoy people, which only makes peoples opinion of that person worsen, now if you're going overboard like "DUDE YOU'RE SO FUCKING ANNOYING WILL YOU JUST LEAVE EVERYONE ALONE AND COME BACK WHEN YOU'VE FIXED YOUR PERSONALITY" then yeah you're in the wrong, but giving criticism on how someone acts is ok, it's justified when you want to help them act in a way that doesn't make people dislike them. Therapy for example, while not a good example for this specific situation, therapy is basically telling someone what's wrong with their personality and trying to help fix the issue.

[@megamillion5852]

@@uncleearl1886 How the hell did you ever get to "is it wrong to tell my dick friend that they're a dick?" Who said this? When? How does this relate to the initial point? No one's saying an animator can't be critiqued for being a legitimate prick. What's wrong is to belittle and pick apart their personalities so as to demean and insult them. Not when they're mean, not when they're causing problems. Just the bare and unneeded, "this is in fact your personality, and I don't like it. It's actually quite rude to tell random people you don't like aspects of their character at default.

[@beankaty2651]

@Foxglove Damn you’re getting ratioed hard

[@beankaty2651]

@FoxgloveLMFAOOO KID GO BACK TO SCHOOL

[@NoName-st2jl]

@@uncleearl1886 it's okay when you tell them in person and not make a dumb video where the person probably won't watch

[@ashumon23]

Man, I am glad that the rant "community" is dying off. Or more accurately, killing itself.

[@i_drewproductions]

this is a really good video about everything wrong with commentary in general, and how the tiniest nitpicks can be turned into massive dramas

[@thatskai3070]

“I hate your art” is not critiscm not sensitive it’s just not critiscm tell me why it’s bad and then it’s a critic

[@andrewbaggins7093]

An opinion isn't criticism.

[@NoName-st2jl]

@@andrewbaggins7093 yep that's true.

[@adamlambboy8332]

They think artists should thank them for telling them they don’t like their art. There’s nothing useful in that statement and even then maybe they want you to change so much it’s not worth it. Imagine you have 5 million people who love your art, and your videos, and then there five who want you to change. You’re not gonna cater to the five, your main audience likes the old stuff.

[@NameName-yj7lp]

I hate your art Now let’s give everyone a nice little lay out of what it should be I don’t like ___ in your art because ____

[@art1stwannabe]

Thank you,the statement "I hate your art" won't help you improve your art at all. All it will probably do is to make you feel bad about your art

[@raskr8137]

"These people should feel bad that they got more popular with less effort, exploiting the algorithm!" Maybe the problem is with the algorithm and not the people then??

[@xxmodzhaxsxx7910]

Dont blame the player. Blame the game

[@DaWoWzer]

if you exploit lets say a video game online you'll still get banned though. just because their is an exploit doesn't mean you should morally use it.

[@greco-romano9852]

@MR Shedan I think he's saying, just because you have the opportunity to exploit something, doesn't mean you should. As in this case, he states it would be morally wrong.

[@Daemonworks]

Pretty sure the problem is that some people are just irritated at the notion of other people liking things they personally don't.

[@greco-romano9852]

@MR Shedan *"Well excuuuse me, Princess!"* All I did was relay his message, don't take it out on me!

[@peachmonster3156]

The DaftPina thing is quite upsetting, he straight up acted as if someone isn't allowed to struggle or feel ill and want to tell her fans. This honestly makes me never to watch him again as I'm struggling with similar things and its just cruel. People are allowed to be ill and not to be okay its ashame it seems to be quite common overall with animation story time critics.

[@technicalrav3n]

When she said "stabby stabby" *i felt that*

[@grassgarbage4997]

"there not DONE yet they need more time in the MICROWAVE" thats going to the "one of the best things I've ever heard" list™

[@mcplumpkin6191]

reply #1

[@mykull5150]

striki reply #2

[@team4star1]

Third reply in numerical form

[@leoisdumb3508]

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[@nathandioza7821]

@TheBlackDiamond//MTBD *T W E L V E*

[@illymation]

I’m an INFJ too!!! :D I’m currently at 31:38 but I’m diggin this video. I for one am new to KZbin, my rise happened too fast for me to know the ins and outs of everything, (heck I’ll find new crit channels and vids every now and then and my buddies will go ‘how have you not seen this??’) aaaand boy I hope me writing this comment doesn’t become part of someone’s crit video for one point or another when I say this. The inevitable crit video about any kind of channel, at least as I’ve seen it, doesn’t stir feelings of “oh hey, someone who understands ‘animation’ on youtube has some insightful and interesting points, I can’t wait to receive some true feedback from a deep diver instead of digging through my comment section for something besides ‘notice me senpai’.” Instead it stirs feelings of, oh I better make sure there isn’t a raid in my discord server following this, I know their intention isn’t wrong but their fan base can go forth any way they want, ah this means all the other crit channels are gonna parrot these same topics (as you’ve illustrated in your video) for the next month or so, everything I respond to will just fuel the fire and perhaps generate them a part 2 of crit, you’re damned if you do damned if you don’t respond, (edit, I am now at 58:21 and dang you hit the nail on the head here) and for me personally, I worry crit channels will bring up a personal aspect or opinion regarding my most popular content, a story about an emotionally and sexually abusive relationship. (But hey! It’s my fault for talking about it in the first place huh? Shouldn’t I be open to critique?) That said, the reputation of crit channels isn’t lovely, and that’s what it comes down to. That’s not to say some are realizing lately where some things crossed the line (Daft taking down one of the Jaiden videos, talking to TimTom and squaring things away, focusing on actual targets deserving of takedowns like a frickin child predator, hell yeah to that!) but it still stands - the reputation is there, (edit again, whomp there it is 1:04:58) and I hope this is where videos like yours can hold up a mirror to these channels. Frankly, shouldn’t a channel who prides themself in constructive criticism appreciate a healthy dose of critique on their own content?

[@QuinnCurio]

Yee, I'm a big fan of your videos so I lit up like a Christmas tree when I saw you had commented. lol So far they do seem receptive at least publicly. Daftpina actually tweeted out a link of my video on his twitter. My video was more meant to analyze the situation and not necessarily to teach them, but it does seem like they manged to draw something out of it independently and none of them have yelled at me or insulted me publicly for it. I don't think they would ever use your personal trauma against you, I think even they know how that would look. I think it's only after they have a resentment of a KZbinr that they feel comfortable saying they are only discussing traumatic life events for attention instead of expression or education.

[@illymation]

Curio Omg! 🎄 Well I’m enjoying your content a ton so far, and I’m excited to see what else you plan on doing! Hey that’s awesome he shared it! Ah yeah, sorry for my assumptions on the teachable moments here. Nevertheless, it’s a great video as you explained it at the end- good context for those watching everything, both the animation channels and critique channels. This provides a lot of context, and you gave credit where credit was due for sure :) True there. The resentment is what gets me. Even if whatever critique is valid, there’s always some kind of personal qualm glaze over the critique turkey. Like, “okay it’s a little spicy there BUT ITS STILL GOOD,” and like... no. My journalism teacher in HS used the cockroach metaphor: it doesn’t matter how good the sandwich was if, right before the last bite, you’d just bitten into a cockroach that had infested the sandwich. I hope people start to see that in these flawed “reviews.”

[@at_cr6536]

TWO COMMENTS you deserve more

[@triplebypassburger4955]

@@illymation I mean honestly it's clear that you clearly dislike the critics and act like their all bad

[@Hamantha]

illymation I smell a collab 👀

[@aprilmichel7816]

The entire issue could be summarised as follows: Critics: I don't like what you do Animation Channels: I don't care Critics:... and I took it personally Wow. Like I knew that some of those 'critics' are insufferable but LS Mark took me by surprise. There is this thing these people do not understand; I can and will watch JaidenAnimation's video about her playing a Pokemon Ruby nuzlocke not only multiple times... but without actually looking at the screen. The storytelling part is what makes it good and fun; the animations, while I consider them great because I don't know jack about animation or drawing, are just a cherry on top of a very amusing story. And I bet my bottom dollar that most people see it the same way. Those people got popular because they are funny and relatable _and_ can present their funny relatable stories in an pleasing way, any why the 'critics' have such an issue with it is beyond me. Edit: that point the whats-his-name made about Jaiden vs. David Firth is so stupid it almost made me cry. Dude needs to look up the word _niche_ in the dictionary (and _mainstream_ for good measure). Don't forget to throw teens under the bus as well while you're at it.

[@randomuruk7230]

LS Mark was literally 16 years old at the time of this videos creation.

[@platyf.-dm7zj]

@aprilmichel7816 NeoJesus