Everything Wrong With The DCS Mi-24P Hind

[@TheGranicd]

"Things that are wrong with Mi24"...Yes commissar, its this man over here.

[@PaletoB]

The AI is still a better hind pilot than me... 😌

[@maxs7470]

Try turning off the AP's ESPECIALLY yaw ap, messes up my flying way to often.

[@aaronwhite1786]

@@maxs7470 I've definitely had better luck with my taking off and landing with the Yaw AP turned off as well. Unless I need to hover and hold a certain heading, I pretty much leave it off for flying.

[@clipper7004]

Glad I subbed to you recently. Your tutorials were put together very nicely, your campaign playthroughs are pleasant to watch, and this video was great! Keep it coming!

[@vsTerminus]

Thanks! This one was really tough to put together but I'm happy with the result.

[@krylatich]

Actually the first channel I've seen that puts songs names right on the screen. Thanks

[@vsTerminus]

Music is a really tough subject for content creators. I love to share the music I like, and I also want to use music that's appropriate for the video I'm making. But most of the time I can't do that because of copyright. I can ignore it and use the music anyway but then KZbin runs ads or it gets blocked in parts of the world. So when artists that I'm already listening to like Клет, KOZORO, and Martin Molin (Wintergatan) decide to make their music available and copyright safe I want to not only take advantage of that but also try to encourage it. I want them to be recognized for their work. I want people to buy their music. And I want to make it as easy as possible for people to do that, so I put it up on the screen.

[@TheFingerman77]

This wasn't the video title I was expecting when I saw your post about First Impressions! Looking forward to it.

[@vsTerminus]

Wags and the other community content creators have done a great job showcasing all the good stuff on the Hind. I didn't want to make another video where I tell people what they already know, so I decided to focus on what people in the communities I'm a part of are talking about: The issues they're facing, and the uncertainty of whether these things are working as intended, missing, unfinished, or broken. I hope people find it useful at least.

[@MrSpinkser]

I subscribed for your channel (and promote you as much as I can) for your Hip tutorials, which are awesome - and I highly anticipated Hind videos in this fashion - but you absolutely blew me away with this. You nailed every single one of my concerns with the Hind and then some. Respectful, constructive and reasonable criticism is the way to honor the creators and bring DCS forward. I really hope that some of the ED staff is watching your channel!

[@janhruska4471]

Problem is that currently, there is (according to one of ED membes), NO pilot of real Mi-24 Hind in the ED team. Only technician or single Mi-8 pilot.

[@theflyinggasmask]

I want to note that the multicrew de-sync is not a problem only related to the hind, I've experienced it as well in the Huey and Gazelle. The biggest problem is if de-sync happens on a server with moderate to high ping the tail will snap off at random. (same with other helos) Also, a quick fix if stuff isn't working (rpm or rotor isn't synced) is to rejoin the helicopter. When i sit in the front i always rejoin before takeoff to make sure everything is working.

[@vsTerminus]

The Gazelle is third party and uses its own multicrew code, which has always been highly problematic. So I can't fault ED there. My own experience has been that the Hind is much worse than the Huey for desync but you're right, it affects that helo too. Exploding or losing your tail for no reason always sucks :(

[@StoneCoolds]

Dsync its a problem in all planes in DCS, net code in general its a huge mess lol

[@theflyinggasmask]

@@StoneCoolds There's a difference between planes desyncing and your helicopter exploding

[@dabneyoffermein595]

@@StoneCoolds wow, sounds like a non-starter

[@mikesolyom6884]

Very thorough dissection of the Hind. Brutally honest. Big thumbs up from me. A couple thoughts I had while watching: 1. As a programmer I can't help but think about issues in DCS from a coding perspective like the "weightless sling load" problem. You're right that you brought it to their attention last year, but I don't think they are ignoring the problem. I don't have any insight into ED's code but my gut tells me this is a non-trivial issue that involves writing a new, complex flight model for sling loads. Right now they have what on the surface appears to be a very simple model for sling loads (same for bombs but that is another can of worms I can write a small book on). I could be wrong but that would explain the delay because that would be a major undertaking and not something they could knock out in a short time (like a patch cycle or two). 2. Regarding the issue of the APU underperforming in hot climates. Is there an option for external power? That would be the real life answer for the same problem. I'm not an expert on the real life Hind but I've run into too many issues in DCS that appeared to be bugs on the surface only to turn out to be accurate representations of non-intuitive things from the real world. I'm always wary now when I think something is a bug, unless I have documentation from either a real life source, an expert (like the Erik Scott video you mentioned), or ED that spells it out as truly being a bug. Great video and I'm glad you took the time to do research instead of rushing for day-one clicks.

[@ripper253]

They said the APU is underperforming and doesn't provide enough air pressure, and external AC power is an option (perfect for the mig-21 with electric start), but external high pressure air sadly is not at the moment, which being fully pneumatic start leaves us with the advised workaround of "just start with engines running"

[@jubuttib]

One 1, I agree a million percent. Taking a one body flight model and suddenly trying to convert it into a two body model is definitely non-trivial. I mean they could probably do the added weight quite easily (they can remove weight when fuel goes down, you shoot missiles, drop bombs or jettison stuff etc., so they should be able to increase it somehow too, maybe model it as a hidden, non-functional "fuel tank"), but doing any modeling on the effect of a swinging weight is probably going to take a lot of work.

[@P90F55]

Good post. Not everything is a bug. In real life things don't work well.

[@charlesbukowski9836]

Boy ..aren't u a singenie....👩‍🎓

[@varanzmaj]

Liked and subscribed. Can't believe I haven't already done so as your Hip videos were some of the best I've seen on youtube.

[@alecisla]

This is definitely a module that I will buy... in a couple of years time :) Thank you for making this video, extremely useful and informative!

[@pomaranc747]

Great job, this is exactly the kind of videos I want to see about flightsim addons. I mostly fly XP and basically all "reviews" for its addos have just the same information you get from the store page with lots of superlatives mixed in, all issues glossed over. It's almost weird to see an actually useful review, or first impressions or whatnot.

[@KLETwave]

Terminus, you cool guy, thx again for hitting me up and giving me the opportunity to provide music for your amazing vid. Love the effort and passion you put in your work! Really appreciate the support 🖤 KLET

[@TurtleV1]

I was waiting for this video. Thank you lol

[@bobbydigital51]

Youre a legend bro' please keep making these type of videos so i know wether or not to buy the module.. Many thanks..

[@aaronwhite1786]

I'm definitely interested to see how the AI progresses with the Hind. If they could get it to a state similar to Jester (which I like to hope is the aim, since it's a huge thing for the Hind, and will be even more important for the Apache, where the gunner can do more than just lob missiles) that would be awesome. I'm optimistic, since ED seems to be pushing themselves more and more recently. All of that said, the Mi-24 is my first helicopter since the Ka-50, and I'm loving it. It's been so much fun to learn the helicopter, but as you've pointed out, there are definitely some issues. In terms of flying from the best view in the house (the front seat) it's something I pretty much haven't even bothered with, since the AI flying is indeed very jerky. But, I 've got faith in ED, and I definitely look forward to seeing how they improve this beast. The AH-64 will be another great addition if ED can nail these things.

[@jellypowder3325]

With the Hind AI, they said they want "functionality first" so I doubt it will be like Jester. I think they want it to function like another onboard computer system you can operate (you literally use it with "up" "Down" "Left" "Right" controls) instead of it being human-like and making it's own decisions (Jester has its own "mind" when deciding target priority or releasing CM).

[@kilianortmann9979]

For the Apache I absolutely agree with you , the WSO AI has to be on pointn especially for the gun. In contrast, the P Version Hind in DCS is heavily focused on fixed armament, which I think is a good decision, because it works fairy well without a second human player. For that reason, for me, Petrovich would be fine as an 'extended Targeting pod' similar to what he is right now.

[@ArkanOthman]

Love the quality of this video, subbed!

[@NoPro420]

i am so glad that you'll make a series!! the mi8 tutorials were life changing for me

[@thunderace4588]

Thank you for making this video giving us your first impressions of the DCS Mi-24P Hind.

[@ErikScott128]

Great video, and thanks a bunch for the shoutout! I think you summarized my video quite well.

[@vsTerminus]

Thanks! You did some really nice work on the investigation. Your follow up video was perfect, it made my life really easy there.

[@Vulcy]

really enjoyed the video, I very much hope you give this heli a ton of love and atention :p cant wait to see the future content

[@dabneyoffermein595]

I'm hoping a lot of these issues have been fixed. This video is genius. (subscribed). do you have a video on Apache impressions? I'll attempt to search up your videos, but so far can't find it.

[@vsTerminus]

A lot of these issues have been addressed, yea. I would like to do a followup video maybe later this year to revisit everything I talked about. I never did any impression videos with the Apache because so many other people did.

[@CommanderSteinsch]

Loved the review. Thanks for all the work!

[@OctoBooze]

That sideways flight segment explains a lot for me. Thank you, it was puzzling me when trying out the module as to how and why does this feel so strange when sliding around, same with trim. ETL could pass for an explanation but it feels a bit of a stretch given how extreme it can get and how weathercocking seems to stabilize the opposite of expected. Overall I'm fairly happy with the release of the Hind. It's a mess, but not a disaster. A marked improvement over the F-16!

[@vsTerminus]

Yea, full credit to Erik Scott on that one. I'm excited to dig deeper into the flight model in the future but so far it feels really really good. The other issues are (hopefully) all things ED can and will address with time. I'm expecting half the stuff in this video to be obsolete in a month's time lol. But we'll see how it goes. I also want them to work on the Mi-8, as it has a few other bugs that have been around for a while.

[@OctoBooze]

@@vsTerminus Any update to the old Mi-8 would be welcome. I'm sure Hind gets its updates fast enough considering how fast F-16 was being worked on. I have no doubts that they'll get it ironed out in no time, relatively speaking of course. Going to give the Hind a new try when it's just a bit more mature then myself, it just feels too odd to fly with its trim behavior right now.

[@getsideways7257]

@@OctoBooze This is the only helicopter so far I got into a tail-spin condition in :) There is definitely something wrong with tail rotor modeling for sure, but on the bright side, at least it seems Belsimtek *are* trying to model its aerodynamic effects.

[@sniperwolfpk5]

One of the best video regarding Mi-24 features and bugs. Well done for such a detailed video. I am waiting for some campaigns which i can't complete due to sling bugs, Appreciate your hard work. Keep up the good work

[@Air-Striegler]

Justified and intelligent criticism, eloquently presented is so refreshing in a world where independently thinking critics are often perceived as "dissidents"... Fantastic video! Keep the good work up. I feel like YOU ARE the voice of the few critical consumers left out there!

[@theflyingclown]

Excellent work and extremely helpful video. Thank you very much!

[@oczhaal]

the fact that the fan of the front seat doesn't get stuck when you put your finger in it is definitely a NO-BUYER !!

[@joaqstarr]

im not sure if it was changed, but I think it does now

[@robert3426]

It sure does now

[@ghostskills]

ED is great in teasing and releasing new modules but lacks in finishing them. I left DCS for 18 months and when i came back there was basically no progression on the Viper as i left it. Same with the Hind. Huge announcements, lots of trailers and basically no progression since release. Instead they are teasing the Apache which will also lack of most of its features at release.

[@ngurisailo2783]

@@ghostskills F 16 now recived a ground radar huge improvement I would say but yes ED release unfinished modules too many times

[@vsTerminus]

On the contrary they have done a lot with the Hind since launch. Bindings have improved, desync has improved, cms has improved, atakas were added, using atgms with petro has improved, visual bugs have been fixed, mirrors have been fixed, cockpit shake has been added, sling loading has been fixed, and more. There are still major items like Petro's voice and the cargo area gunners to do, but it's disingenuous to say they haven't made any progress since launch.

[@taurau]

the worst for me is the random "double trim" and lack of bindings love this beast but needs a quick fix on some obvious default like that

[@vsTerminus]

I'm told the team is aware of the trim bug and they are working on it. So there's hope! Because right now I'm pretty hesitant to even use it lol

[@taurau]

@@vsTerminus It becomes a hardcore flying with this trim, sometimes double trim and sometimes you double tap by mistake it so it resets big surprise when landing But still this early access launch is quite good overall

[@HerrW0lf]

I fly mostly manual because of that. The best way I found to trim it, is like with the KA-50. Have the stick centered, press trim and then move the stick to where you want it to, release button. It's the only way it works for me.

[@taurau]

@@HerrW0lf I also tried this but same results, it is really on the release of the trim button when the magic happens

[@AdmiralQuality]

Excellent video as always, vsTerminus! *So* glad I've finally learned my lesson and didn't fall for the pre-order on this one! And while I appreciate ED's new free demo policy, they really need to think about the wisdom of showing off products that aren't complete or functional enough to actually sell themselves. Free demos only work for good products. Maybe in 6 months this will be one? Until then, it doesn't matter, even if they say they've fixed it I won't believe it until I've seen it. More likely I'll be waiting even longer than that and getting it on half price sale. Even at 30% off pre-orders, DCS modules are far too expensive for what they are.

[@hummingbird9149]

Worst part for me is the twitchy yaw and pitch, the real heli seems to be way more stable here.

[@yappydawg8985]

I am loving the Hind despite these early access faults you describe well. My main frustration, and one you did not mention, was the complete lack of information in the form of a manual. The Quickstart guide is nearly useless and tells you nothing. Learning the Hind is a painful trial and error process, lots of scanning around the cockpit and scratching your head, and/or searching endlessly on KZbin for tutorials that may or may not answer your questions.

[@vsTerminus]

That's a big frustration for me as well. I did mention at the very beginning that a lot of my tutorial research will depend on that manual but I really should have listed it in the main part of the video too. Could have shown a comparison between the Mi-8 manual and the Mi-24 quick start guide. Good call.

[@RoamingAdhocrat]

When I was making mods for X-Plane back in the day - C++ plugins - something I did quite early was make a generic "toggle switch" class which would automatically generate bindings for "turn on", "turn off", and "toggle". and similar for pushbuttons and selector switches. so when I went to simulate a new system/panel, I'd just say "it has five toggle switches named x, y, z, two pushbuttons labelled a, b, and mode selector with options 1, 2, 3, 45" and I'd get bindings (and nice animations, sounds, save state etc) all built in not sure how any DCS third-party dev can survive to the end of the project without making something similar

[@antonbatura8385]

I preordered, got it on day one. Overall, I got what I expected from an early access product. The only thing that was really frustrating to figure out was that DCS bunched up all axes of all my devices and assigned them all to sight control, messing it up royally. And the solution wasn't obvious, either. Once I got that figured out, my experience improved. Relatively speaking. Petro drinking on the job, though... I'm sure they'll fix it down the line, anyway. No performance issues on my old rig, which is nice.

[@vsTerminus]

My confidence in ED to release something in a good state on day one has increased after this launch. The hind has issues, certainly, but nothing I found was significant enough to convince me to hold off. I bought it after just a few days on the free trial.

[@antonbatura8385]

@@vsTerminus it has been rather difficult to land on autorotation, though. Maybe a brief video on that sometime?

[@vsTerminus]

@@antonbatura8385 I spent about an hour practicing them and you're right, it's tricky to set down without tipping or bouncing or tail striking. You can see my best attempt at 22:51 when I start talking about the flight model, and even there it was a little bouncy. This is definitely one I'd like to do a video on.

[@karlhungus545]

I bought the Hind to get the 30% discount and I've basically shelved it until it gets patched. I can't believe they still haven't fixed that slingload bug on the Hip. I won't be buying any campaigns for it until they do. Actually campaigns get broken so often by patches, I won't be buying any more of them period. You're also right about the way they structured the free trial this time. ED has finally learned some marketing skills 👏

[@aaronwhite1786]

I'm definitely still loving the Hind. Sorry that you're not having fun with it. For me, it's probably just as much the process of me learning to fly Helicopters in general, but there's just something so fun about running in on targets with the murder bus Hind.

[@karlhungus545]

@@aaronwhite1786 Didn't say I'm not having fun with it, but I expected development to take a while, so I'm ok with shelving it. I have many other modules still to master, and it's summer time, which means outside...not sitting in front of my PC 😉

[@Molevitch]

I was able to build a complete Voice Attack profile for Petrovich which I find works well. You can set push lengths in VA to achieve that.

[@vsTerminus]

How does your profile know what mode the HUD is in? Does it just start with an assumption and store the state in a variable from there? Or is it actually reading the state from the game somehow?

[@Molevitch]

@@vsTerminus ok, so from the front seat, what I do is call Petrovich (I renamed him Grigor…). This starts him in FLT mode, which I can see in the HSI overlay. I can change Flight Mode by saying “Change Flight”. This cycles through modes FLT or CBTM. I can tell him “Turn Left 10 degrees” etc. “Slow down”, “Descend 50” etc

[@krostouin]

Good review of the current state of the Hind. I find the Jester menu easier to use, because I don't need to remember any shortcut. Don't know why ED went that way, it makes communication harder than necessary.

[@agamemnonn1]

Jester can be ungainly due to the amount of menus you have the sift through. Petrovich is just a simple “fly here” mechanic. Don’t really need a visual wheel menu for that. Quick and easy; perfect for low altitude flying.

[@Leaddinosaur]

Great points all. Done in a constructive way. Keep up the good work.

[@SsgtHolland]

Nice US Coast Guard Hind:)

[@citizenjags1309]

flying the "HIND" makes me feel like I'm cheating on my old lady the "HIP".... LOL!! good vid bro! Can't wait for those tutorials.

[@MatveyTsivinyuk]

10:05 best pronounciation among _all_ the English speaking youtubers

[@coltius]

Thank you for making this. I've been kind of afraid to watch it until now. I preordered the Hind as my first DCS helicopter and was having fun just messing around in it but basically stopped flying it when my skill level got to the point that I could tell strange stuff was going on. The weird sideways flight and trimmer issues were two big things I couldn't understand what was going on. I've also noticed the trimmer (in either mode) simply not working near the center randomly. I bought the Hip a couple of weeks ago as basically a trainer for the Hind and I'm loving it thanks to your videos but trying to get back in the Hind it feels like the Mi-24 is incredibly unstable and takeoffs are a fight to the death compared to the Hip. I've flown it a little offline but most of my recent experience has been in MP where I seem to have more control issues and I'm starting to wonder if it's related to syncing even when you're the only one in the helicopter. I can't wait for your Hind videos to come out. Thanks again for all of your hard work!

[@bartacomuskidd775]

Are you gonna get Jiggy with the HIndy now?! a whole Terminus HInd Series! Hey Guys! He said hes going to make a whole Hind series. Awesome!

[@AdarColussi]

nice video. still a fun beast to fly around, even with minor unfinished things... not saying you give that impression, but I've seen this every time people buy Early Access and then they are surprised that it's missing tons of stuff :D IMO, that's kind'a the deal when you buy Early Access, it's Unfinished by definition. It's also great for developers, having testers actually pay for the game and bug test it for free XD (even if "bug testing" means crying in the forums that something isn't working) At least in DCS Modules (unlike other early access games), it can only get better as you're not risking the game going in a different direction from when you got it as early access.

[@man_vs_life]

Subbed for the intelligent assessment. Good stuff.

[@Juhujalp]

There is one thing I missed with the flight model. With and without the gyros the mi-24 starts buffeting on approach where the nose will wobble up and down. This can be corrected for but it does not seem to be a correct representation of the actual thing. And I can not find anything on the forums about that. Is it just me?

[@azayomi]

Subscribed! Good feedback.

[@Husker5454]

If im honest if they release an aircraft or modal that is unfinished i don't mind . The quality is always fantastic and the efforts made to the game from 2.5 - 2.7 have been massive and awesome . I know the modal will get constantly updated and features added so i will just enjoy them and as more things are released enjoy them too .

[@cdgncgn]

did you watch the video ? I have the feeling like you did not.

[@Husker5454]

@@cdgncgn ye mate watched the whole thing my comments not criticism or anything just thought id throw what i think out there

[@bartacomuskidd775]

Man i really like those CBU Heavies.

[@lambflorpadorp]

Solid content as we have come to expect, still gotta run into you on SAW sometime.

[@lambflorpadorp]

Finished the video just now; Would mention the only thing you forgot may be the inability to properly drop bombs from the backseat in Multiplayer.

[@vsTerminus]

There's actually a growing list of things I keep remembering that I never made notes of so I forgot to include them in the video and I'm kicking myself a bit lol. Oh well.

[@DrGonzo94]

Love you Terminus!

[@vsTerminus]

Love you too Felix!

[@DrGonzo94]

@@vsTerminus awww

EDIT: Oh, now I remember. The song at the beginning is the theme song for the Mi-8.

[@vsTerminus]

At 00:00 it's a few seconds of the main menu theme for the Hind and the Hip. Right after that is Клет - Восток-1 from claat.bandcamp.com

[@nexus888]

Maybe make an updated review now? There doesn’t seem to be anybody who has reviewed it for many months now. As a new buyer I couldn’t find anything recently but got it after jumping into the servers from rotor heads and enigma. People have lots of fun there

[@vsTerminus]

It's planned. Just trying to find time to start recording

[@jake4194]

Petrovich wont line up sights when I try shooting atgms in seat 2... also it does this weird thing and i constantly need to reset trim to fly straight even though I don't use trim.

[@heinzriemann3213]

As a programmer, fixing the sling load sounds like a task from hell.

[@shagrat47]

I would prefer a simple option to reduce the Petrovich Interface to a small dot for the pointer and a mode/feedback box in the lower left corner (or positionable). The interaction through defined short/long presses on a 4-way hat is great, where as sacrificing possibly a dozen buttons to it isn't that nice. Especially in a russian helo with a gazillion buttons to map, already. 😇

[@vsTerminus]

I like the four way hat, don't get me wrong. My suggestion was to have both the hat *and* some discrete bindings so that I could bind those to Voice Attack.

[@TR_P]

My interim solution until they fix the inconsistency in trim behavior is to get a rough level trim and then make any minor adjustments with the trim hat and any major with the joystick and do a quick press at the end. For landing, it's imperative to have the trim centered and nose ever so slightly trimmed up when descending and from there I do not hit the trim button- I've found that doing that the AP sends me on a rodeo and I almost always end up on my side or see sawing forwards and backwards on the helipad. Very frustrating.

[@vsTerminus]

Apparently the bug is related to the AP so I've just been flying with AP off.

[@WarKaos]

ED is awesome.. everytime they release a new aircraft they also offer the module DCS - Test Pilot for free XD

[@FGCH03]

Excellent vids

[@stalhuth]

Also Petro almost never see any ground units to use the AT missile

[@RK-he9dv]

For LTE if that were to occur you would lose all control over nose authority because at that point the tail rotor would be in full VRS until the helicopter straightens out and the tail rotor is in "clean" or undisturbed air relative to its position. It could be a little bit of loss of tail rotor authority where your tail rotor isn't strong enough (either too small, not effective enough, or rpm isn't sufficient) to counter the main rotor tq and weathervane effect. However flight regime wise it doesn't make sense why it would want to go the same direction (clockwise) regardless of the relative wind hitting the body of the helicopter.

[@whitenoise8952]

Great summary and very informative for people who are on the fence! Maybe an addition to the list, or maybe I am missing something, but I was struggling with the R-828 ADF system. I set up a transmitting vehicle with a sound file in the editor, set up the channels, but can't get it to work (not hearing the transmission and more importantly, can't get the compass to point to it). I'm pretty sure I flipped all the right switches.

[@vsTerminus]

Actually that's one I knew about and forgot to include in the video. It never made it to my notes. Oops. IIRC, the radio nav only works on a hot start? So if you cold started you're out of luck. (Or maybe the other way around)

[@whitenoise8952]

@@vsTerminus It was my mistake. While testing it again, I noticed that I set up the vehicle to transmit as a triggered option, not as a waypoint option, so I never had an active radio beacon. I just tested both from cold and from hot and it seems to be working fine. Apologies for the confusion and thanks again for the great video! Thumbs up and subscribed. :-)

[@vsTerminus]

Nice! Thanks for the followup!

[@IgkuitBBswm]

I'd love some tutorials on the AFCS, because half the time they seem to disagree with me and try to send the bird into the ground.

[@vsTerminus]

I think a video on that would end up full of caveats, "this isn't working correctly yet" or whatever, but it does seem to be something people want to know more about. Maybe I'll look into it a bit more.

[@polosat1yMadd]

I want to mention one thing about translational lift. Feedback in-game is not as pronounced as in Mi-8 because it is so in real life. Mi-24 is MUCH less shake in a translational lift, and it is noted in exploitation manuals, mentioned by pilots(including my grandpa in law), etc.

[@maean7410]

i think the reason sling loading didnt make it into the patch notes is because its not exclusive to the hind, instead being a fault with the sim itself. great video other then that

[@Riviera-Flight-aerial_footage]

Hi ! @26:49, I think you can't have the same efficient on right and left pedal, because this is an helicopter, so over your head, you have a very powerfull thing called TORQUE... When you fly a real helicopter, you can really experiment it, and how you need to correct with rudder till the end point if you pull the collective to high.

[@BrljoMrljo]

O hell!. THis is 2 years later I am looking this video and that akward trim sudden pitch down is still constantly happenning to me. Damn! I thought it was my joystick.

[@maean7410]

hello, do you have any plans on covering the mi-24 more, perhaps even a tutorial series?

[@miniepic982]

Youre right my man.. Maybe DCS now stands for Dogsh*t Combat Simulator?

[@vsTerminus]

I mean, I hope that's not what you got out of this video because it's not what I was trying to convey.

[@miniepic982]

@@vsTerminus Youre hungry yeah? So you go out for Pizza, but rather than selling you a meat feast, they serve you a meat feast 'early access', that only comes with cheese, tomato sauce and pepperoni and ground beef. It comes unsliced, and its more expensive than a 'pepperoni' pizza but never comes out of the oven hot because this pizza place- hasnt made them before, but want to see how they sell, so they put them on the menu, and eventually people seem to think it sounds great, and tell them 'that its a good idea'/that they would buy it.. You take your early access meat feast, and go sit on a chair, to 'try and enjoy it', but the guy next to you has the pepperoni and sausage thats been on sale for a while and is cheaper than the 'meat feast early access', and comes sliced, and piping hot. You eat your cold unsliced 'early access meat feast', and feel ok, with your 'pizza', knowing you supported the pizza place. After a while, you go back, and the 'meat feast' is out of early access but still isnt sliced or hot. You order one, this time enjoying it, but cant help but notice, that the pizza is the sausage and pepperoni that theyve been selling, but with ground beef on it. Only the beef isnt right, because theyve spent so much time 'building the meat feast' that they didnt notice, that the ground beef is passed its sell by date and theyve spent too much time 'coming up with the meat feast'. You report it.. 'Good stuff' Next time, my pizza will be right' you say.. A month passes, two months, 6 months, and youre still buying the pizza you like, but realise that the issue you raised and reported, each time you went in for your 'meat feast' still isnt getting resolved. In the mean time, the Pizza place, is offering 'a free slice' in a desperate attempt to attract more customers, people are eating the free slices, but are noticing, that the actual pizza needs ALOT of work, to be enjoyed as the price of each pizza, doesnt seem reasonable considering that pizza hut are offering Pizza, Wedges and Garlic Brea, with a drink for half the price of this pizza places pizza, and arent really investing in the pizza place anymore because their reputation just isnt as good as it used to be.. Years pass, and nothing happens, they still sell the pizza with the rancid ground beef, because theyve commited to it, have a surplus of ingredients and need the money/sales to bring in cashflow towards the next module, as the money and time went into the 'meat feast' idea and now the staff start putting their efforts into this next idea instead.. The Pizza place take a hard look at what theyve achieved, they are selling 'pizza' but the brand is tarnished, they arent easy to eat and leave there customers with frustrations, and theyre hit with two directions, do they restart the pizza place, and lose money on the ingredients that theyve ordered, and start from scratch knowing that they can have fresh pizzas that will be easily eaten, and delicious. Or do they carry on selling pizzas and ignore the complaints, just adding salt to the rancid ground beef? As people start complaining about the meat feast, and it becomes unprofitable as a pizza as its reputation for being 'bugged and unfixed' gets bigger, But you love it. And all you want- is that its made right so you can enjoy the very thing that you paid for and put your money into. DCS FIX THE DAMN YAK!

[@df98156]

@@vsTerminus Youre hungry yeah? So you go out for Pizza, but rather than selling you a meat feast, they serve you a meat feast 'early access', that only comes with cheese, tomato sauce and pepperoni and ground beef. It comes unsliced, and its more expensive than a 'pepperoni' pizza but never comes out of the oven hot because this pizza place- hasnt made them before, but want to see how they sell, so they put them on the menu, and eventually people seem to think it sounds great, and tell them 'that its a good idea'/that they would buy it.. You take your early access meat feast, and go sit on a chair, to 'try and enjoy it', but the guy next to you has the pepperoni and sausage thats been on sale for a while and is cheaper than the 'meat feast early access', and comes sliced, and piping hot. You eat your cold unsliced 'early access meat feast', and feel ok, with your 'pizza', knowing you supported the pizza place. After a while, you go back, and the 'meat feast' is out of early access but still isnt sliced or hot. You order one, this time enjoying it, but cant help but notice, that the pizza is the sausage and pepperoni that theyve been selling, but with ground beef on it. Only the beef isnt right, because theyve spent so much time 'building the meat feast' that they didnt notice, that the ground beef is passed its sell by date and theyve spent too much time 'coming up with the meat feast'. You report it.. 'Good stuff' Next time, my pizza will be right' you say.. A month passes, two months, 6 months, and youre still buying the pizza you like, but realise that the issue you raised and reported, each time you went in for your 'meat feast' still isnt getting resolved. In the mean time, the Pizza place, is offering 'a free slice' in a desperate attempt to attract more customers, people are eating the free slices, but are noticing, that the actual pizza needs ALOT of work, to be enjoyed as the price of each pizza, doesnt seem reasonable considering that pizza hut are offering Pizza, Wedges and Garlic Brea, with a drink for half the price of this pizza places pizza, and arent really investing in the pizza place anymore because their reputation just isnt as good as it used to be.. Years pass, and nothing happens, they still sell the pizza with the rancid ground beef, because theyve commited to it, have a surplus of ingredients and need the money/sales to bring in cashflow towards the next module, as the money and time went into the 'meat feast' idea and now the staff start putting their efforts into this next idea instead.. The Pizza place take a hard look at what theyve achieved, they are selling 'pizza' but the brand is tarnished, they arent easy to eat and leave there customers with frustrations, and theyre hit with two directions, do they restart the pizza place, and lose money on the ingredients that theyve ordered, and start from scratch knowing that they can have fresh pizzas that will be easily eaten, and delicious. Or do they carry on selling pizzas and ignore the complaints, just adding salt to the rancid ground beef? As people start complaining about the meat feast, and it becomes unprofitable as a pizza as its reputation for being 'bugged and unfixed' gets bigger, But you love it. And all you want- is that its made right so you can enjoy the very thing that you paid for and put your money into. DCS FIX THE DAMN YAK!

[@fonesrphunny7242]

Relying on awful helicopter AI in campaigns was bad enough, but now we can experience it ourselves literally from the front seat. If they don't fix it until the AH-64 releases, I'm not sure they ever will. In my experience the ATGMs do not have perfect aim. Even very minor pitch oscillations would result in a clear miss. Sling loads have been bugged for at least 2 years! Bought the Mi-8 Oilfield campaign in June 2019 and dumped it because of this bug. At least it was fun for a few days while I used the new trial feature. Not coming back to it until ED finally shows some love for helicopters.

[@jeffreypeters7826]

Speaking of campaigns, there is no campaign with the hind. So, (dumb question time)... what is there to do with it? I dont have friends that have DCS, so, aside from a campaign or flying around with friends, is there anything I can actually do?

[@alexandercarpenter1751]

@@jeffreypeters7826 At the moment there are some quite entertaining instant action missions. But, you bring up one of the existential issues with DCS - what to do! Most of us play IA missions, official or 3rd party missions (search DCS user files), play online PVE or PVP, or create our own missions via the mission editor.

[@jeffreypeters7826]

@@alexandercarpenter1751 Oh wow... I never even looked at the instant action missions lol- thanks! Can I ask for your input on how I should go about exploring online PVE? I've only dabbled with the multiplayer (public beta) servers, because of my lack of DCS flying friends. And yes, I suppose it's time to stop putting off learning how to, and creating missions with the editor. I've been avoiding it as I haven't actually run out of camaign missions until recently (that's why I was disappointed to discover there wasn't one included with the hind module).

[@vsTerminus]

@@jeffreypeters7826 You can find a couple videos on my channel about the Hoggit "At War" servers and the "Search and Rescue Server". They are focused on helicopter gameplay, but might be a good starting point if you're into rotary wing. You can also join servers like the Hoggit Training Server or Aerobatics Online and just kind of get used to being in multiplayer without any pressure to do or accomplish anything.

[@jeffreypeters7826]

@@vsTerminus Thank you (and thanks for the specifics)- I will do precisely that before I take off tonight.

[@rednuke0082]

16:04 with the sideways flight. The hind is not symmetrical you may be able to see it if you look at it head on. it has more mass on its right side.

[@rudelchw]

While I love your Mi-8 Tutorials, this video struck me in a negative way .. mostly because of the bait-catch title. I never expected an early access title to be free of bugs, and so none of this was a surprise, and thus making a criticism video so early after release it is a but unfortunate .. today's patch adressed several of the issues that you mention on the video, so making it a bit obsolete after just a couple of days since this video appeared. I'm enjoying the Hind currently, in spite of its shortcomings, and hope that ED will keep improving on it. 😇

[@cdgncgn]

are you that sensitive that you cant hear legitimate constructive criticism ?!? Your thinking is unfortunate ! Early access is there so that you find and report bugs, not hide them, and appear all is perfect ! Do you live in a gulag that you're afraid to speak of negatives that you see ? Oh, something got fixed, only after that video so you can insult the video maker that it is obsolete ? How do you know that is was not this video that got them to know and fixed it BECAUSE of that video ? Peer pressure, CONFORM !!! Do not provide constructive criticism, we value conformism more, in Our Freedom (TM) groupthink. This is truly shameful spineless behavior. Did you prove your moral superiority ? You did not. Fortunately. I apologize for being confrontational, if I look like negative-only, then feel free to delete my posts. I hate it when people love to be manipulated and throw themselves on a bandwagon, always, later on crying how they did not get the shiny new things ... because they demanded constructive criticism be shut up. Self-inflicted wounds.

[@rudelchw]

@@cdgncgn wow, wonder what happened in your life to have such an outrageous reaction ... so, according to you, this video was actually a bug report? and thanks to it ED rushed to release a patch in under 48 hours?

[@broworm1]

Not being able to switch places in the HInd in MP is annoying since you have no access to Countermeasure settings. And since we can't order Petrovich to do anything other than shoot missiles we're missing features.

[@CapitalRoach]

That trim bug has been driving me mad, seems to happen for me at all cyclic inputs large or small, but it's like it only affects the pitch axis. Turning off the Pitch channel on the autopilot board seems to make it better but it might just be my imagination. Hope they fix this soon it's pretty unflyable like this.

[@vsTerminus]

I think you're right about that. I got a bit more information this morning and apparently it's a weird interaction with the AP and some other systems. So the team is aware of it and working on it. Turning off pitch channel probably does help, I'll have to give it a try.

[@Mike-vx8lh]

I've definitely experienced it with the roll axis too, but it happens much more often with the pitch axis. And yeah, affects large inputs as well for me. I have just given up flying the Hind until it's fixed. It's so frustrating and I'm confused as to why more people aren't complaining about it.

[@berserker6341]

Thanks so much for your review. Yes, its something not right on the rotor tail, i "master..." xd all the helo's on DCS but this is really strange. About the mirrors you're right and also i would add or like a poor resolution mirror but enough to see if i hit something, and not put my vr head outside. I dont know why ED dont fix the rockets deflagration (on every aircraft). Its the main point of shoot some decent amount of rockets. In DCS you need to hit perfectly a VW hippie van (i will made one) for kill it, in the Su-25 or A-10 maybe its not a problem, but in helos...its not real and its not funny online (i dont recommend that). Petrovich fly fine if you compare it with the F-14 Iceman, at least we can rest or check something. From the pilot seat yes, is blurry when you look forward, but its amazing to see it when you move in on with the F4 camera, also the pilot and petrovich. Every mod must have a body pilot. Thanks again for your job!

[@dart_q8]

finally :D

[@CrazyRussianPilot]

СУПЕР👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍 👍👍👍👍👍👍 👍

[@LazzySeal]

It is indeed tail rotor vortex, just not tuned

[@ghostskills]

ED is great in teasing and releasing new modules but lacks in finishing them. I left DCS for 18 months and when i came back there was basically no progression on the Viper as i left it. Same with the Hind. Huge announcements, lots of trailers and basically no progression since release. Instead they are teasing the Apache which will also lack of most of its features at release

[@RealDarko]

Is good to see I'm not the only one that does not understand the trim thing, hope they fix it if is a bug or just tell us how it should work. Thanks for the video. P.S. Are you using some kind of red effects on your video? Starting at 0:47, it seems you're flying in Africa :)

[@Fabrizio_Ruffo]

I used to over speed into the ground all the time without explanation, until I learned that you can outrun your advancing rotor blades.

[@oldmanfunky4909]

Petrovich's first words better be "I'm sorry" lmao!

[@BalticDude_DCS]

I hope they can add an animation for entering VRS because that's my #1 issue right now.

[@dfa2691]

I love simulations and got a few modules for DCS. This Mi-24 Hind is majestic and surely excite me. But DCS lost me somewhere. A mix of business model, re-releasing of older modules, contents confusions, bugs and general time investment for learning each and every module had me burnout. I wish there would be mid-level simulations as there were in early 2000.

[@vsTerminus]

What really got me hooked on DCS properly was playing it with a friend or two. We set up a little private server with some spawns for the aircraft we owned, I dropped some jeeps and soldiers and tanks and stuff for us to shoot at a little ways from the airfield, and we just had a blast learning and crashing together. It was hard to get into DCS solo but with friends it was easy and we've been playing it together for about three years now.

[@superpartia3805]

music from "intro" ? , thank you :P

[@vsTerminus]

It's displayed on the screen in the lower left corner :) Клет - Восток-1 ｖｏｓｔｏｋ－１ You can get it from his Bandcamp at claat.bandcamp.com - His KZbin is also linked in the description.

[@superpartia3805]

@@vsTerminus okey thanks, but not "intro intro" but like first 20 seconds of video :D

[@vsTerminus]

Oh lol. It's the main menu music for the Hip and the Hind in DCS.

[@superpartia3805]

@@vsTerminus wait, there is music in dcs? :D im kidding of course, thank you very much

[@markfluitt8427]

where did you get the CG livery? Awesome

[@hivewasp]

not to sound like a fanboy or repeating the same old "it's early access" song... but yeah; it is early access and things will get sorted over time. Are some of the issues critical? possibly... would I want a refund because I feel scammed? not at all. I really don't think this product is in a bad state after its first couple weeks of early access release. Things could always be better, and it could have been worse... :D That said, your video's gonna help the module get better so kudos :)

[@cdgncgn]

not to sound, but you react like one. Did you watch the video whole ? You are giving somebody money and you arent getting it free. Or is your money, your work etc worthless ? In all honesty, why even early access ? But this and that. Are you getting a half-finished car from the factory, is it missing some components ? Give them money first so they can finish it or be lazy since they got your money already ? There are all sorts of questions. If they are dealing in good faith, a rarity in corporato world, then things will work out. However, giving a valid feedback, even if it might be only negative, even when it is not, should be legit, if it is actually a thing, not feelings, like, I feel, this and that. Feelings in describing things are so approximate that you can misidentify your error with the error in aircraft/program, something that can happen is psychological projection. You cant fix yourself on feelings if you want to fix stuff, you get to the business of causing people insults, or you dont. And stuff wont get fixed when you might have been afraid to offend with reporting actual status of a product which you actually want to improve. What is the point of fanboyism ? It is detrimental to quality of a product. One thing is making sure youre not making an error and make it look like its not your fault, but when you are sure, it only makes sense you report your findings if they are not already known. I hope I did no offending, but I hate such behavior in people. You do not need to conform by being 'nice', on the other hand you dont need to tell them how useless they are that you didnt get early access finished to 110% already and that youre gonna sue them for feeling offended for not having it already finished. :D Cheers :)

[@evanf111og]

34:48 behind that low quality what ever you want to call it in the cargo bay is the medium quality cargo bay of the external model, also you could at one point in the past see the medium quality cargo bay by moving the camera back that far but now they changed the cameras limits

[@wonderingalbatross2400]

CD project red has been the exemplar of this art.

[@Power5]

Petrovich is still passing notes in class. 8+ months later, still no voice. Wish ED would just buy the Jester interface from Heatblur and use that. If apache is menu based with no voice communications, that will be a real turn off. And good to know about the trim issue. I was wondering why I was having so much issue with trim.

[@vsTerminus]

Apache won't have voices at launch.

[@pascalb2062]

I guess that video contributes to the fact that they want to polish ah64 more and more every two weeks BEFORE releasing it.

[@CH-pv2rz]

There is something I have noticed about DCS… It replicates many of the same items in Jane’s Fighters Anthology and it also replicates its many errors on those items… Like the mirror error and the lack of feedback in certain flight models, a Jester type RIO cracking smart ass jokes at your expense, and many other items. I wonder if FA was their initial motivation for some of the growth of DCS…

[@medic25cav]

I only have two training lessons is there something I missed or did wrong downloading

[@ttenor12]

Module has been out for almost a year and Anti Ice is still not modeled but ice damage is, which doesn't make sense. By the way, do you think that many of the issues you have talked about here are already fixed? I'm thinking about getting it but would like to know how much it's improved.

[@vsTerminus]

I'm planning to do a 1 year update video for the Hind, but it does seem that many things on my list have been addressed already which is great. Some stuff is still around though, and with the team focused on the Apache my gut feel is that we won't see any major changes to the Hind in 2022. But maybe they'll prove me wrong! Anyway, bindings are better, MP sync is better, mirrors got fixed, we got another sound upgrade, rockets are fixed, atakas were added, and a variety of other changes too. But we're still missing Petrovich's voice, R-60Ms, the entire crew cabin area with gunner positions, a fix for the trimmer button with AP on, and other things. So there's still a lot to do as well.

[@jamesmontgomery9464]

maybe time to re-visit this and see what ED fixed and has yet to fix.

[@vsTerminus]

I plan to. Having some computer issues at the moment so I can't fly right now.

[@StoneCoolds]

Wow, where do you got that black russian paint at the begging of the video? Thats the one i wanted for the hind from the start lol

[@vsTerminus]

The Serbian livery is linked in the description. It looks good, eh?

[@StoneCoolds]

@@vsTerminus it looks awesome! Tnx a lot or sharing the link :)

[@thomasbouvier3203]

weight on cargo should have been fix. It was in patch note :) Btw, i flew Mi8 before freefly the hind, and is it me or hind feel way more heavier than mi8? on take off i feel like i have no power. i tried to get the rpm higher with the 2 throttles on left hip. but it dont moove. Also, hind on marianas dont start. you have no battery power ^^'

[@cypher1o1]

I would be definitely happy if the treated the sight just like the mirrors in vr where it looks like a screen. And you just put your head on the sight (on your own) and there is your sight picture.

[@vsTerminus]

I mean that would be the coolest thing for immersion, though without the actual pedestal to rest your head on it might get a little tiring holding your head in that position for long periods of time.

[@jubuttib]

WAIT WAIT WAIT WHAT? You can actually unlock the front seat stick, and you can pass control from rear seat to front seat? EDIT: Goddamnit I spent ages trying to find that button, and searching online with no hits, and it's the same goddamn button as before... Wonder if this was in like a hotfix or something...

[@earthexplorer579]

my biggest issue is petrovich dont lock on targets 90 % of the time.