Evolution of the NORDSCHLEIFE in Sim Racing | 1998-2024

[@OverTake_gg]

Hey guys, this is of course not a complete list, honourable mentions would be the first Forza Motorsport from 2005, rFactor 2 or also RaceRoom with their laser scan from 2016. -Michel

[@blangille6407]

why weren't they in the video?

[@ross-carlson]

@@blangille6407 Agreed, why bother if you're going to put out such an incomplete list - hell you KNEW it was.

[@utyep23985uhX]

and Enthusia Professional Racing on the PS2 (2005)

[@brewcrew6330]

You're also missing the Project Gotham racing titles too.

[@MatthiasNyberg]

We also released Nordschleife for Viper Racing, but it was a convertion from another game. Can't remember which one.

[@mattjones1207]

GP Legends still looks great!

[@bigredracingteam9642]

"Still"? It didn't look like this in 1998, at all. And if it did, nobody would've been able to play it.

[@mattjones1207]

@@bigredracingteam9642 did you get out of the wrong side of bed? Sorry I’m not an expert in every graphics mod ever released lol

[@MP_145]

Grand Prix Legends, such an unappreciated game. Opened the door for many titles!

[@KODIAK-ij4yg]

Gran turismo 4 still holds up big time!!! This was the first game I played where I was able to adjust a car so much on a game, and the graphics are still top-notch! And it was right when I started to get into Initial D in 2004...😢 those were the days😅

[@ItzBrooksFTW]

turn10 managed to make their newest game look 15+ years old

[@RoyalRacer19]

Is it because of the grass or the game in general that looks too yellow ?

[@ItzBrooksFTW]

@@RoyalRacer19 idk the whole game just looks flat and the textures look very low res. Even though acc has many less tracks and cars, im still amazed how incredible the game looks. even fh5 looks better than fm somehow.

[@RoyalRacer19]

@ItzBrooksFTW I see. I agree with you. I have all three games that you mentioned on Series S, and yeah, FM look off somehow...

[@AB__84-s]

Are you playing on ultra?

[@007Spadge]

Agreed. Fm8 is a disappointment. And they want to build a platform on that? I doubt it...

[@Grindershachkin]

2:08 great car sound in GTR Evolution!!!

[@MUCKLEECH]

Dang, what a well crafted video! It was really cool to see the rapid evolution of the Nord. My first time driving at the green hell is in GT4, but it wasn't so much learning the track as it was just surviving it. Nowadays, I practice there mostly on GT7, AMS2, and Assetto Corsa. Keep the great content coming!

[@las10plagas]

hey, have a look at the AMS2 "AMS real weather blah blah #JR" Nordschleife practise server. I'm on there almost every day, trying out and crashing new cars 😀

[@SpatialDragon]

GT5 was the first version of any game that I played that had a fairly realistic version of Nords. I did play GT4 briefly, but my PS2 died and I upgraded to PS3.

[@mangopopjuice]

GTR Evolution !? One of the best sounds there, sound is underrated, makes a huge difference

[@frederiquerijsdijk]

Mann, that GT-R Evolution sounded good!

[@Nelson_.A]

GTR is my first sim that I got a wheel and pedals for. Great video, I love the editing.

[@rodyspy]

GP Legends from 1998 has rear view mirrors and UBISOFT racing games to this day do not. 😄

[@jamesleegte]

Watching this video makes you imagine what will sim racing look like in ten years time or even twenty years time! The evolution is insane!

[@EdduVanHalen]

Automobilista 2 is the Best for me.

[@feederunderground]

impressed as gp legends looks absolutely wonderful...

[@bigredracingteam9642]

Yeah, all the modders have really improved it a lot. However, it didn't look like this in '98.

[@FedericoTesta1]

Gran Turismo 4 is still one of the best representation

[@rickyareskog1417]

I don't know which is correct, so I'm not going to pass judgement either way, but man, the transition from GT to Forza where the trees suddenly get super dense is jarring in how different their scenery is.

[@sebastian_berlin]

How did you come up with some of the dates? AC officially launched in 2014 with the Nordschleife coming with the Dream Pack 1 in March 2015 and iRacing followed later that year. 😊

[@jamarcus_OG]

Wasn't the Nordschleife launched back in 2014?! Damn it's 10 years of AC 😥 I feel old

[@Schorch1962]

Every Grand Prix Legends simracer knows the tree of trees, the grandfather of all trees... after compression in Fuchsröhre, on the right side. This tree killed so much cars after making a slight driving mistake in compression. A Grand Prix in Pro Mode is hard to survive, but very satisfying if you manage to see the checkered flag.

[@horstfeldmann2128]

Hi Guys, I love this video and how it shows the improvements of racing simulation graphics. The video title is "Evolution of the NORDSCHLEIFE" - but the first video part ("Grand Prix Legends" from 1998), 0:00 - 0:46 is showing parts the old GP Course of the Nürburgring, but NOT the Nordschleife: 0:00 - 0:07 Gegengerade 0:07 - 0:22 Nordkehre 0:22 - 0:38 Start-Ziel-Gerade 0:38 - 0:46 Beginning of the "Südschleife", the corners before "Bränkekopf" The Nordschleife nowadays is connected, where the "Nordkehre" was in this Sim. Have a look at a map of the Nürburgring Track shown in "Grand Prix Legends": de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:Circuit_N%C3%BCrburgring-1927-S%C3%BCdschleife.svg But that only bothers me marginally about the video. Thanks for the great video! - Horst

[@Maartwo]

I learned this track many years ago in NFS Shift 1 & 2 with my Microsoft Sidewinder with no FFB. Good times.

[@007Spadge]

Glad so many people liked Project Cars

[@RalphvandenBerg]

Project Cars 2 was my gateway drug

[@Daz555Daz]

Man PC2 is still so pretty. That Madness Engine was a graphics masterpiece.

[@adil1087]

RF2 👍

[@weswheel4834]

Interesting video. After the first couple, they were all pretty good.

[@TheJeffMilz]

6:30 that is the Subaru BRZ Gr. 3, isn't it? 😅 Nice compilation 😊

[@ahicracing884]

Still think Project Cars 2 looks great. Pity they messed up PCars3

[@KayoMichiels]

That was Codemasters... slightly mad studios wanted to create a arcade version of pcars for everybody... a Horizon version compared to Forza... but Codemasters ordered them to rename it to pcars3.... and when codemasters was bought by EA... EA pulled the plug on pcars4 while it was under development... but fear not Ian Bell (the lead of the game) has started a new company and are making a GTR 3 game, called GTRevival!

[@kubamax9kubowski176]

@@KayoMichiels I’m pretty sure it was the other way around, PC3 was originally meant to be called Project Cars Revolution but Ian Bell decided to change it just before the acquisition by Codemasters.

[@ElBucherone]

​@@KayoMichiels yeah let's wait GTR Revival!

[@Vlame]

The cockpit cam from iRacing looks so unnatural. The car moves a lot but the driver stays still at all of the time. It would be nice to also see some movement like in the other games for the drivers head

[@mangopopjuice]

It has the options, but most people turn it off, to concentrate on racing. I like it turned up. The sounds suck on iRacing, and the video was foggy, so also didn't look great

[@GameRRKing]

because this is not the driver's camera but the cockpit camera for those who play at the wheel!

[@jacquesparpaing3217]

Back in the 2000s playing the Nordschleife was utterly rare and was a reason to buy a game

[@corneliushorn1791]

Thanks good video.

[@Andyc18]

GP legends looks incredible for 1998.

[@pablososa2225]

Time goes by and Grand Prix Legends is still in my top of the best simulators.

[@londonweekend]

Some versions you missed are PGR, Ride, and Enthusia. It's also in Tourist Trophy which is a slightly bumped up version of GT4 track wise.

[@aterikasedi]

Ray tracing mirror reflections in 1998 !

[@bibo987945]

'Raceroom racing experience' is good as well.

[@Eichward_SKV]

Amazing seeing Grand Prix Legends here. And i don't get it in my head that ACC just come out two years after PC2

[@RolandsSh]

Yes, ACC as a game came out in 2019, but the Nordschleife DLC came out just this month.

[@mickeilkeil]

The only one who is on the official Nurburgring youtube Channel is Rfactor 2. It not an honorable mention, it the best one.

[@pimon-monono]

Incredible.

[@ElShogoso]

The ACC one is more up to date and it's a brand new release. rF2's is phenomenal too but I think the ACC one takes the cake.

[@pimon-monono]

@@ElShogoso Updated or not, rf2 version is amazing and deserve some words.

[@knellrohan]

automobilista 2 historic version?

[@lap1bio]

Rf2 ?

[@r200ti]

Forza and GT really stand out in that as looking truly abysmal 'sims'. Jumping between how the cars act in things like AC, AMS2 and even the maligned PC2 really shows a huge difference between the games and the sims. Although the best one is how much more advanced GPL appears to Forza and GT.

[@jonathanbowen3640]

Forza and GT are simcade. I have ams2, ac, ACC, pc2 I also even played back gpl back in the day. Honestly the latest Forza is not actually that bad. For a joypad experience it's absolutely fine. A bit of fine tuning and some are the cars are super fun to drive and pretty real feeling. The problem with it is that it lacks tracks. I got it on sale and it's quite good. Definitely not abysmal.

[@cultofpersonalit1888]

The 98 game look gorgeous.

[@guidinjavier]

The most exactly is the iracing in therms of laser scan. And the most beautiful and inmersive is the gt7.

[@Andy-yy2fg]

Grand Prix Legends, original and best.

[@misterodd]

nice!

[@kalitovanhelsing5817]

I love this track

[@shoutykat]

I still have a heap of love for GP Legends but it definitely did NOT look like that in 1998.

[@NinetyTres]

PC2 was so far ahead of the game

[@CamoDrako]

Even thought it feels shaky now when ACC is my main, it's still the most expansive and immersive sim out there. I checked a few months back and some of my world records from 2018 are still there too ;)

[@usleadershipareliars]

The streets will never forget PC2

[@vsmaster6162]

There's ams2 now that's the real deal

[@PITAH1]

Automobilista 2 uses the PC2 engine

[@joaquingonzalez834]

project cars 2 walked so automobilista 2 could run

[@ianknight2053]

I thought it was an issue with my graphics card but I see that the look of the trees on PC2 is the same on your video. They just look flat, without contrast to my eyes.

[@kpcart]

You forgot Forza 2, that was great for its day. Next time make it with all the same weather... and include Asetto Corsa+CSP

[@CMDRRustyDog]

A shame that the ACC segment was on the Nurburgring GP section as opposed to the North Loop. Regardless ACC tops the list for me.

[@EvostarSC]

Shift 2 was so ahead of its time.

[@asanisi]

What's the car in AMS2? It's ridiculously responsive. Looks like something from Radical, but I'm not versed in the game's roster.

[@OverTake_gg]

Should be the Porsche GT1! -Michel

[@CB_883]

@@OverTake_gg love that car in AMS2

[@b1gland]

You forgot Project Gotham Racing 2 who firstly introduced NORDSCHLEIFE to console!

[@DeltaStridePLZ]

I neeeed another GP Legends game

[@DrBIeed]

No PGR4 or FMS? What in tarnation?

[@gautierd8711]

Honestly for me (This game isn't on the list) the best version of this track is on RaceRoom Racing Experience

[@vinen]

Guys, does rFactor 1 has Nordschleife nowadays? Or available only via side download mods?

[@OverTake_gg]

Hey there, rF1 never had Nordschleife as official content, but there are mods that bring the track to the original rFactor, you can find some of them on our page for example! - Rene

[@vinen]

@@OverTake_gg thanks a lot. Just want to share with you my list of official Nordschleife collection I have in my Steam: AC ACC AMS2 Forza Motorsport GTR Evolution NFS Shift 1 NFS Shift 2 PC1 PC2 PC3 RRRE RF2 RIDE3 (2/4/5 i dont have) Test Drive Ferrari Racing Legends

[@VitorShadowSouza]

I like how half of the games in this video claims to have laser-scanned versions of Nords, but somehow they all looks different...

[@dauntae24]

You clearly don't know what laser scanning is.

[@NoThru22]

No love for Project Gotham!

[@christiangunther5234]

whats the automobilista 2 porsche? looks and sounds like prototype

[@s.baldrick3807]

I think it's a 911 GT1

[@Marcel_be]

that GPL version does not look like the original, out-of-the-box 1998 version

[@OverTake_gg]

We recorded everything in this video this week, so some of the older titles are much higher resolution and upscaled than they were originally played! -Michel

[@KayoMichiels]

It would mean that the game would have run at 320x240 resolution with software rendering... not a very pretty sight indeed...

[@Coxy-b34]

@@KayoMichiels GPL had hardware rendered support out of the box. I remember playing it day one at 800x600 on a 3dfx Voodoo 2

[@KayoMichiels]

@@Coxy-b34 Forgot about that... Papyrus did supply a Direct3D patch later on.. and force feedback.

[@weswheel4834]

Is it just me who avoided buying the new ACC DLC because it'll take me so long to learn the track well enough to not bring down my in-game ratings :D

[@dannygaron]

Buy it man! This is by far the most fun in ACC I've had in years racing on this track. Especially now since there are quite a few online servers hosting the track. Made me come back to ACC from Iracing :)

[@weswheel4834]

@@dannygaron Thanks for the reply :) Okay, maybe I'll re-think.

[@Jim_AC]

the mini karoussell in forza 💀 you guys didn't pick this kurve for forza on purpose, right? 😇

[@OverTake_gg]

Believe it or not, it was kinda random with the evenly distributed clips 😂 But yes, that's the worst part of their version.

[@fullarmor0]

AC is 3$ and still the best sim today. But sadly cars sounds really need more punch, they sound reaaally flat compared with the real cars sounds.

[@JForst-v8c]

no love for rf2 huh huh

[@mickeilkeil]

The only on who is présent on Nurburgring official youtube Channel

[@OverTake_gg]

cool to see someone mentioning that video, I created it XD It showed rF2 Nordschleife (back when we introduced it to the sim) overlayed with a real life Lap by Moritz Kranz, who also sat next to my on my very first real life lap many years ago lol. - Rene

[@ivanhool7322]

By what principle were these games selected? Forza Motorsport, NfS Shift 2 Unleashed, PCars 1,2 Automobilista 2 are not simulators. The games are certainly decent, but they are half arcade games. The author clearly needs to become more familiar with the term "racing car simulator".

[@pichdidi]

where is race room?hu

[@talbithierry1200]

Rfactor2,best for me

[@uyou2tube]

Forza devs forgot the color green in their code WTF lol

[@bigredracingteam9642]

"We have recorded a lap with 12 different racing / simulation titles to show how *graphics, visuals and sound have evolved in almost 3 decades* " If that was indeed the purpose of the video, you should have used the *original games as they were when released* with graphics settings that hardware of the period could run, instead of these heavily modded and enhanced/emulated games. This isn't how sim racing looked like 20 years ago. And by not even telling the audience, it's crossing the line into historical revisionism - there are commenters here who seem to believe games actually looked like this two decades ago! "Here's how a 26 year old and *heavily modded* game runs on modern hardware." "And here's how a Playstation 2 game looks like when emulated on a modern gaming PC, with up-scaled geometry and in high resolution." Etc.

[@flat6simracing625]

rfactor 2? 😮

[@ridderus]

Still,... GPL was the best!

[@Rickdeckard78872]

massive graphics downgrade going from GT4 to Rfactor imho

[@gonzaloapestegui9421]

Why does Forza Motorsport look worse than literally every other game on this list.

[@GameRRKing]

bad color palette

[@mmn9897]

浪人ってなんやねん笑

[@omaramarillas2439]

forza gotta go

[@mrtakeaminute6815]

motorsport looks awful 🤣🤣

[@pf296]

Even Grand Turismo 4 looks better than iracing. It's getting ridiculous.

[@bigredracingteam9642]

It's obviously being played on an emulator with much higher resolution than on the PS2.

[@GameRRKing]

iracing is a competitive game, the best in the world play it, it's not supposed to be pretty, just like counter strike is ugly

[@RTPJu]

Nice montage and ACC propaganda

[@Crit360]

Where's project Gotham racing 4?

[@lowproscrumbum]

iR is the only one the feels right scale wise ect.

[@Coxy-b34]

Graphically GT7 looks the best followed by ACC. AMS2 and PC2 looks about the same (obviously) then you have a mishmash of dated graphics engines (rF, iRacing, GTR ) and the overwhelmingly disappointing graphics of the new Forza game.