How to make EVs popular

Let’s discuss if EVs can make the shift to widescale adoption, or are they doomed to become a niche product?
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[@BigCar2]

* Erratum: I said "some States and Governments have announced they’ll ban internal combustion engine cars by a certain date". I meant they'd ban new ICE sales, not existing cars. * Some people have mentioned robotaxis would have the interiors messed up or damaged. A couple of points to that. First, Tesla have a camera covering the interior, and could charge any damage to the people who made it (they have their credit card details). Secondly, cars could be cleaned on a regular basis. Tesla incorporate that charge into the robotaxi fee. The car could drive to where the cleaner lived, and they could clean one car after another. * Interesting "Nature" article talking about human vs autonomous crashes: www.nature.com/articles/s41467-024-48526-4

[@Markyboyplaysgames]

Hi big car love your videos, have been watching since 2019 or 2020.

[@jimcabezola3051]

I just like EVs for their relative smoothness and quietness; they're more pleasant to ride in than diesll or petrol buses. As regards preferability to horses... I seem to recall old docos stating that NYC residents were happy about the transition from horse-drawn vehicles to petrol or electric vehicles...on purely sanitary grounds. The cleanup crews picking up after the horses became redundant after a while. Funny about that, though... When I lived in England, I never watched a doco about whether people felt the same way about the banishment of large numbers of horses from, say, London streets. Back when I lived there...London smelled like one huge diesel bus. I hope they've toned that down a bit in the 40+ years since I left. Aloha!

[@AllenCross]

You're entitled to present your opinion in whatever form you like. Even so, 7 minutes in I was surprised to see this video turn into a not-so-subtle Tesla PR piece. Not just the usual *I drive one myself* advert for the cars, but a broad brand overview that includes your rosy assessment of its place in America's transportation future. I'm not joking. Beyond YT clips with 'Tesla' or 'Musk' or 'Elon' in the title, I've seen no other such unambiguously favorable and confident - if undeservedly so - forecast. Citing an shareholder event, you hyped their long-term vision & made a case for EV-share as a practicable business model that also helps car purchasers/lessors. ...without noting TSLA's - Mr. Musk's, if we're honest - long history of self-aggrandizing, preposterous and ultimately failed promises in every facet of that area. Again, I know it's just your opinion. And this is mine. .

[@MrDuncl]

@@AllenCross I'm wondering if this was filmed before the Rivian VW announcement. That makes buying a Rivian look more attractive. p.s. We saw the BZ4X at the start of the video. On a forum someone said their main reason for buying one was "the musky smell coming from the Model Y".

[@piotrmalewski8178]

Such taxis would make half of employed immigrants from the Middle East jobless.

[@jimpackard8059]

People are not going to buy an EV and then hire it out for a few hours so that somebody else’s kids can wreck the seat fabric. This is not an air BNB that gets cleaned between hires.

[@nr5494]

Agreed. Who wants their shiny new car to come home in the morning smelling like an old taxi. Or worse!

[@AllenCross]

The confident suggestion that lots of people will find it easy and convenient to let their car disappear for various times & days is utterly ridiculous...and it's more than just concerns over condition upon return. We've all made a second shopping run b/c we forgot an item or left s'thing behind. Or unexpectedly needed to stop by the office. Maybe your backup ride - or car share, etc - is suddenly unavailable. And that's before we consider true, maybe life or death, emergencies. Even if this plan is aimed at Urban Elites, are they supposed to put their full faith and trust in Uber? Waymo? Yet another FSD Tesla? Jetsons-style EV sharing is no more than a cheap sales pitch, constructed from the fever dreams of engineers plus people who paper their bedroom with lists & plot their week's activities on Excel. .

[@markgarnett3521]

People will; not their shiny new one costing £40k+ but a used one costing £15-20k. Watch this space.

[@OldCarsNewVan]

I was thinking the same - Saturday night in an average UK city - someone's vomit in the back the next morning 🤮 nice

[@OldCarsNewVan]

@@markgarnett3521 you go for it - may I suggest a good supply of rubber gloves to assist in the Saturday night vomit clear up in your mere £15-20k used car 🤮🤣

[@catjudo1]

That "sharing your car as an autonomous taxi" will work until the first time someone throws up in the thing. I don't loan my car out to anyone. Most people are fecking slobs.

[@BigCar2]

See my pinned comment.

[@piotrmalewski8178]

@@BigCar2 I think it's more likely that car companies will hire their cars rather than sell instead. Especially since recycling metals from worn batteries to make new is going to be an important issue.

[@KalleKilponen]

​@@BigCar2 Kinda. But even one time of me finding my car dirtier than I left it is too much. It doesn't matter if it will get cleaned free of charge, if it's unusable the moment I need it. And I bet a lot of people feel the same way about their cars. If I wouldn't mind how messy people can be, I'd ride the bus.

[@AlfaGiuliaQV]

On that note, as mentioned in the pinned comment, i would never allow a full-covering interior camera in my car. If this is the future i see no point in car ownership at all. Everything might as well be one giant uberservice.

[@Freespeech2222]

Try a zip car and see how it works. The cars can be filthy.

[@-POISON-]

I don't really see how autonomous driving and ride sharing would encourage more people to actually buy EVs.

[@thorpejsf]

The absolute last thing I want is some random stranger riding around in my car.

[@BigCar2]

For $300 a month, many people won't mind it at all. But yeah, I'm with you.

[@jamesengland7461]

​@@thorpejsfthe idea would be that you owned a car specifically as a business, renting the car out for your own profit. You could, of course, still use it when you wanted to.

[@jamesengland7461]

Those are two very different questions.

[@piotrmalewski8178]

@@BigCar2 There are car hire companies, and even those have trouble. Panek, the biggest car sharing in Poland almost went bankrupt and is still on the edge of destruction. I also find 300$ unrealistic. I hire cars for customers on everyday basis and 300$ is a price for B segment internal combustion car for like 10 days. And mind in Poland labour is orders of magnitude cheaper than in the West so we don't write off that many vehicles. Big business still repairs cars after pretty significant crashes. Not to mention private owners. My car has been written off by my insurance company 3 times, but every time it has been repaired and runs like brand new after 17 years. I'm saying in Poland it's a lot cheaper to maintain a car, and business wise, hiring is still like 3 times more expensive than what you suggest. With EVs which are much more expensive than ICE and nobody knows how to repair them (mainly because of computerised controls), it's likely to be a financial nightmare should anything happen to the car.

[@Handlesplus]

My car is a little slice of my home. I have things in it that are useful, familiar and pleasing to me. I’m not going to take that out every time someone else wants to drive it.

[@srenhansen1542]

Exactly! I have it the same way. We have two cars at our household. I always take "my" car because of exactly what. But it might work for some people, for whom a car is just transportation. But no. MY car is not going to be a air BnB taxi! 😉

[@piotrmalewski8178]

@@srenhansen1542 Then you sign up to car sharing company and pick cars left around the city with phone app. I don't see this system working with private owners though. It's complicated logistically and you'd need some company to handle hiring software anyway. Better just buy shares in car sharing company and hope they will actually make profit. It's a tricky business.

[@peterbroad1772]

Exactly the point I made. The modern car is a mobile room of your house, not transport as in a bus. All of these solutions fail on that point.

[@edmundisanski982]

So you have 'your' car that you are responsible for but you have to let it be used as a self-driving taxi to fund it. This is a crazy idea. Imagine all that can go really wrong in such a scenario. The car has crashed for example. Then imagine the less catastrophic - like it comes back with all sorts of nastiness inside courtesy of the last taxi passenger. I can see a taxi company doing this but not a private individual.

[@BigCar2]

See my pinned comment.

[@deBiezel]

According to my horse the only thing better than a horse, are two horses.

[@tomz65]

One important point you are missing: EV drivers are commonly very satisfied with their experience, and pass on those experiences to their indecisive social environment. Like this, sooner or later anyone will buy one once the infrastructure is set (all Parkings have charging capability).

[@BigCar2]

So am I, and I'm telling people who can't charge at night not to buy one as it's too hard. I lived in an apartment with no overnight charging for 10 months and it was horrible to deal with.

[@janmogensen2619]

I think most charging will be done at home overnight (less stress about charging stations). And I believe most cars are driven from home to work and back (here in the US). In many cases that would mean the EV would only have to be charged 3 or 4 times a week. I have a friend, who drives the Hyundai Ionic 5, working from home and he says he only charges his car once a week because of this. I think a lot of people would be in the same boat and therefore that could mean many EV sales. I myself is retired and my next car will be an EV and for the most part my driving will be shorter drives - the occasional longer drive will not be a hardship since I won't be in a hurry. I know, being retired makes it much easier!

[@Number69]

Leaving aside tech issues and desirability of sharing a car, there would have to be a whole new legal framework to accommodate autonomous vehicles. This includes insurance - who pays the premium, who is coverered, who is responsible.

[@ettorebugatti6846]

Car sharing with people’s private property is DOA, I mean who would want to own a car full of someone else’s vomit ( and that is by far not the worst thing you could face).

[@kadajawi2]

3D TVs were bought by many, but they required additional hardware to work. That no one bought, as everyone was shifting to streaming instead. And as streaming services didn't offer 3D (though they could easily have done so), that was the end of 3D. Also, the market shifted towards preferring a brighter image. While 3D would cut brightness in half.

[@MrDuncl]

I remember trying a 3D TV in a shop. The TV was great. The strobe effect on the shops lighting definitely not.

[@piotrmalewski8178]

Additional stuff like AdBlue has defeated even dealerships in repairs many times. Computerised EVs are going to be repairs disaster.

[@kadajawi2]

@@piotrmalewski8178 EVs have little that require service and repair.

[@piotrmalewski8178]

@@kadajawi2 Drivetrain wise yes. But I'm pretty sure they're going to have trouble because of digitals around it. One day I read job advert for Tesla serviceman. I'm pretty sure there was not a single person outside some university PhD that would the requirements. It will be a disaster. Please get me right; I have enought knowledge and skill to convert an ICE car to EV myself. But dealing with electronics and software of corporate designed cars is a completely diferent issue.

[@kadajawi2]

@@piotrmalewski8178 Fair enough, but... how are ICE cars any better? Unless you are looking at an oldtimer...?

[@ITSMRFOXY]

The most important advantage of horses: Cute.

[@phillyarchdad]

As someone who just bought a new ICE vehicle because I do not have a dedicated parking space or garage, I can’t understand why electric utilities haven’t gotten into the charger game. Can’t local utilities provide a distributed network of charging ports that allow local users to pay their residential rate to charge, while allowing out-of-towners to pay with a credit card like they do now?

[@piotrmalewski8178]

Maybe because popularisation of EVs would overload power network in any country to the point it would require gigantic investments to prevent constant nationwide blackouts. Not to mention half of Europe still relies on coal and gas to make electricity, so EVs never made any sense in the first place.

[@Sirdoolan]

My brother in law works in the EV industry, specifically surveying possible sites for chargers. I asked him something very similar, although my query was about lampposts. He explained that infrastructure required to cope with the amount of electricity needed to charge cars is an order of magnitude greater than the energy needed for a lamppost, and so can’t be put in overnight. An average charge base requires the same amount of electrical infrastructure as a small housing estate. Small housing estates take years to plan and build, so the time needed to put in the electricals isn’t an issue, this relatively recent boom in demand for chargers is unprecedented and the energy providers are struggling to keep up.

[@piotrmalewski8178]

@@Sirdoolan In other words, lacking knowledge youth idealists, lacking knowledge admin clerks and politicians who care only about popularity in electrion of 4-5 years time span have royally mismanaged their ICE bans.

[@darryldyke1264]

The electricity supply grid can't handle the huge additional demand that EVs place on it.

[@hectornecromancer5308]

@@piotrmalewski8178 they had nuclear, and then decided that it's too dangerous, so getting back to polluting power source

[@leomux2004]

If EVs will continue to be made like now: big battery, heavyweight, screens everywhere and etc, they'll be doomed to be a niche product. The future should be small and light, small capacity battery, lightweight compact chassis, maybe an small e-fueled/biofueled engine to extend the range and physical buttons. It's not too hard to do that, BMW did that with the i3 11 years ago, so it's not hard at all to make that, we just need to buy it and governments need to tax vehicles based on their weight and size.

[@BigCar2]

But did the i3 bomb because of the range or the looks? I think having a range of 100 miles or so puts people off and can become limiting. And that 100 miles is really only 70 or 80 after 5 years.

[@sq1rlsqu4d]

Agreed. The EV power-race is utterly ridiculous. We've reached a point where the horsepower figures are just abstract. Who cares? I owned an i3 for years, sold it due to useless infrastructure in connection with a longer commute. Still miss it :(

[@BillyNoMates1974]

the motor connected to the wheel or even built into the wheel is the right way to go, just the batteries are a joke. maybe the liquid batteries could liven up the market. the US military have been testing liquid batteries out for a while.

[@leomux2004]

@@BigCar2 Yeah, BMW I3's range wasn't very good, but it was due to the limitation of the dual chassis module design, with large door sills you have less space for the battery, and since back then EV battery density wasn't like today, it sucked. But the idea of the I3 is genius tbh, it was just launched too soon and with a turbulent internal development.

[@leomux2004]

@@sq1rlsqu4d And who's gonna use 2000hp at maximum potential? 2000hp is the limit where power goes from usable and fun to unusable and phisically painful. This madness needs to end, and it is already, Australia put a driver's license limit for power, want to drive a powerful car? You need a special license for that, and mix that with the consumer's shifting preferences on driving experience rather than full power and you don't have a favorable enviroment to continue the power arms-race.

[@joieman]

On railways, autonomous systems work well as there are fewer variables that need to be accounted for: running on rails, they are less likely to go off-course, and the railway environment is more controlled than an urban environment, so you're not as likely to get people wandering where they shouldn't and unpredictable interactions with human-controlled vehicles. The Docklands Light Railway in East London, for instance, has used driverless trains since it's inception in the late 1980s. With the additional factors of unpredictable human behaviour, whether of pedestrians or drivers of other vehicles, designing autonomous vehicle systems for the roads is significantly more difficult.

[@piotrmalewski8178]

The whole popularisation of motoring might not have been a good thing. In 1960s a car manual would tell you how to maintain your car or even instructed you how do many repairs yourself. Nowadays it only tells you not drink the coolant...

[@22pcirish]

The DLR may be driverless but the person on board can drive it if needed. The whole system still needs humans in a control centre. It’s also a fixed system that doesn’t have to interact with other and different types of trains. And that’s where automation ramps up hugely in costs.

[@laurens4359]

Really appreciate that you keep the opinions and the documentary episodes separate! The latter remains a valuable resource long after the publication date, whereas opinions can be changed or outdated.

[@laurens4359]

For me a PHEV would be great - my occasional commute to work and back home is

[@user-kc1tf7zm3b]

PHEVs are pointless, this explains why PHEVs have been all but ignored in Australia. The PHEV driver will still have to fuel and maintain the petrol engine. PHEVs have lousy handling and fuel economy figures as they are so overweight with both petrol and EV drivetrains. There are no advantages, just endless compromises.

[@1MrBryn]

I took the new Suzuki Swift for a test drive today. Tiny engine combined with a tiny battery honestly seems to be the best real world solution for a single car household right now. I want an EV, but I live in Western Australia which is massive and just doesn't have the charging infrastructure to allow the freedom I expect with a car.

[@lagmonster7789]

EV(not including hybrids) sales have now reached 50% market share of new(

[@GryphLane]

They're not going to be completely replaced. And how much of that is down to manufacturers trying to decide for us in advertising and just not bothering to build real cars because they don't make them enough money?

[@santostv.]

If you were informed you would know is because evs are taxed lower rather than “deciding for us with ads”, ev’s if implemented properly it will be the future but if they fumble the bag people will “revolt”, we need more regulations although I know the usa crowd don’t that word. Americans should be happy that an American ev is the best selling in the world. Ev’s aren’t suited for every person but I would say for most it is, we are going to a bad economic period so it’s normal that some are tightening their belts. Let’s hope that the Renault 5,Citroen ec3, Hyundai will help with adoption among the middle class.

[@GryphLane]

@@santostv. I am informed, thanks. And I know full well how capitalism works. Truth is they don't care about society, or whether anyone lives or dies, just as long as their shareholders make their millions from us poor saps.

[@alexeveryman5080]

I rember Danish colleague mentioning around 100% tax on ICE cars. Denmark's market is heavily influenced by government. If this is the way, just ban ICE cars, only allow low volume ICE cars so customers of most expensive brands are excluded.

[@santostv.]

@@GryphLane it’s about taxes , the Nordics tax ice car higher than ev’s so they have higher adoption behind only China and countries like mine they give a voucher in the case of my country 4k euros other eu countries give less or more, they don’t pay road tax, in some countries get free parking ect, although it isn’t the norm ev’s are quite popular in my country compared to when there was none because overall it’s still a small percentage, we already hit the 23k milestone when we can get a little cheaper car or a better spec one adoption will increase further,in Norway they account for 20%, although adoption is slow imo because people keep their car for a lot of time, ev adoption is always increasing, to understand how long it will take to renew the car fleet in my country 25% of cars are older than 20 years and a car that is for the scrapyard in the uk,Germany here is still worth 1000€

[@GerthebearBrady.]

I think if manufacturers design battery packs to be servicable in the event of a cell/module/ components failure and we need more EV battery service centers, that would help with second hand resale prices. Most people are terrified of battery failure after the vehicle is out of warranty. Which is normally 8 years or 100k miles Which is a long time but not a huge mileage for modern drivers which drives up depreciation. Tesla is especially guilty with every pack since model 3 being very difficult to work with and their stance on the right to repair. Also a lot of people are put off buying new EV 's by that depreciation that we see at the moment.

[@SteveBueche1027]

If people actually took notice of their actual mileage, the base 250 mile EV would be just fine.

[@GryphLane]

My petrol tank doesn't start to wear out after 40k miles though...

[@TB-up4xi]

@@GryphLane The LFP battery in a 2023 Tesla will last on average 1million miles before dropping below 70% of it's original charge capacity it's a moot point, and your ICE car mpg and performace drop over time as well no matter how well maintained they are.

[@urbanoteal6334]

James May said that it’s not really range anxiety as much as it is recharge anxiety. If charging took one minute, stations were readily available and you would get 60 miles (exaggerating of course) people wouldn’t mind having 100 miles of range. Also idk if you’ve ever seen hordes of tourists (mainly German and Austrian) vacationing in Croatia, that inevitably take the car because there are no other connections, no airports near those islands, no trains, uncommon busses, etc. So imagine hundreds of thousands of cars all needing to recharge on the highway recharging stations… The lines would be insane and it wouldn’t make sense expanding the number of charging stations to accommodate such a number of vehicles as this only happens during the summer but you would have to maintain the network year round while having pitiful usage most of the year.

[@ahwai82]

@@urbanoteal6334 few years ago in my country during festive season so many cars on same highway going to same place till its jam up so badly even petrol station run out of fuel..so many cars run out and stuck for hours ..such thing can happen to petrol station if there is too much cars but these days with ev having more range and charging getting faster can hope such scenario wont happen

[@SteveBueche1027]

@@GryphLane My M3 is 3 years old and still taking 100% charge.

[@edwardmills6456]

As a technician that's worked on Nissans for 38 years I have seem EV introduced with leaf, ayria, and now Nissan is bringing e-power because of EV sales seem to be stalling ICE is seeing marked improvement in mpg, but it's only benefit is range I've noticed this move to small engines sizes and turbos has meant the ICE is a lot more fragile, especially when trying to move the weight of an quashqai or x-trail around, Much more oil consumption and longer service times have caused many of these issues. But it's cost of repairs that so far cripple EV's I have seem some outrageous costs for repairs, that had the car not been in warranty theirs no way the owner could have afforded the bill. Also I have seen the biggest number of dealer buy backs on EV's where even Nissan exclusive live car repair dealerships couldn't fix the fault. These cars eventually going back to Nissan GB.! ON first generation leaf a new battery is still £13,500 for reconditioned battery and more for new ! Basically more than the value of a 2011 leaf ! So pitfalls exist !

[@lagmonster7789]

TBF; There are cheaper used & 3rd party options too (like MUXSAN), but it's still not cheap by any means, at least the old battery is still worth good money even if it's practically dead for EV purposes. If you're brave you could go for a new Chinese drop-in upgrade, i found a 53kWh replacement from one company(AUGEnergy) for ~$7700USD, which would more than double the range of a 1st gen Leaf 😁

[@MrDuncl]

@@lagmonster7789 An easily swappable battery would solve lots of those problems. Maybe Nio have the right idea with a five minute battery swap.

[@justjc51]

​@@MrDunclif you search KZbin for Nissan leaf battery replacement you will find that Nissan has made it somewhat simple to do, if needed.

[@MrDuncl]

@@justjc51 I would have guessed the Leaf has been around long enough and was popular enough for it to be less of a problem than some other brands.

[@simonlb24]

@@MrDuncl Standardisation would go a long way to reducing the potential financial pain for future owners. There has also been some progress in the US as to using the Tesla power connector across some manufacturers entire EV ranges, which is a good start.

[@lucagattoni-celli1377]

This autonomous part-time taxi thing would work as well or better with a non-EV.

[@floydblandston108]

Your horse analogy is apt, but you forgot the two biggest reasons 'cars' won; 1. A horse requires full feed and maintenance whether working or resting- huge point for the car. 2. It was much easier to buy a car 'on credit'- horses were cash sale only. We want small cheap (electric) cars on good terms, and we want them to be as low maintenance as any other appliance.

[@The_R-n-I_Guy]

Driverless cars are only a good idea if they are the only vehicles on the road. I hope that never happens.

[@toyotaprius79]

Only if only the Leaf was available with active cooling, things would certainly be different

[@gs425]

Get rid of unnecessary techno gadgets, fake leather, and unnecessary ridiculous peak power output. Just give us a real life decent range at a fair price

[@SDK2006b]

All car prices are up now, a new base poverty spec Ford Fiesta with a manual gearbox, and 75bhp (0-60 in over 13 seconds) costs over £20k now. Dacia just launched the Spring EV which starts from £15k !

[@D0zer122]

As someone once said: “Opinions are like @rseholes, everybody has one.” So I’d like to hear yours.

[@mediarav]

Absolutely fair points. I would, and can afford to purchase an EV. The concept is sound, the technology is robust, but the support infrastructure is not fit for purpose. I drive 1000 miles a week for work. I work to a deadline. I often get deployed hours to the deadline. A flaky support structure doesn't support my work commitments. I've struggled to understand why hybrid isn't the supported ideal. It absolutely makes sense, it's the bridge to complete EV, and buys time for battery chemistry to develop and prove itself.

[@marcusburger1523]

Norway makes a pretty good case how EVs become dominant without autonomy or even outright banning ICE cars. Which is surprising for a country so cold, where range anxiety should logically be higher.

[@FPVsean]

As someone who loves ICE cars and always will, I'd quite like to see my next daily driver be the new Renault 5, but it'll be sitting beside my 1990s land rover!!!

[@whatwelearned]

Yes but the planet is a little more important than your interest in internal combustion, is it not

[@FPVsean]

​@@whatwelearned I buy cars because I like/want them and no other reason. A government or fad can't tell me what to drive

[@brianmcisaac]

If you take "planet saving" out of the equation the difference between an ICE and an EV is a minor consumer choice.

[@rp9674]

California, Colorado, Florida, Hawaii, Maryland, New Jersey, New York, Oregon, and Virginia have passed right-to-charge laws aiming to streamline the installation of residential community EV charging stations. Also, Illinois recently passed a right-to-charge law specific to new houses or multiunit buildings.

[@grumble2009]

My concern with autonomous driving is accountability. Who is liable for damages when the car has no driver in control, and someone is killed? Even if autonomous vehicles are safer than human drivers, blurred accountability will make update risky for owners and manufacturers.

[@isend2c]

I think it was Renault or maybe a different Korean or French brand that said they don't need to make batteries and range bigger, "just" charging faster. I think both are viable. The biggest thing is people (at least here in the US) LIVE for IFs. That's why they drive a 3 ton pickup... IF they want to get lumber, they can. IF they want to drive to Utah, they can.

[@simonreeves2017]

Greetings from Oxford. This is a nicely balanced presentation. I too have an EV, and it serves me very well and is a pleasure to drive. However I do understand that operating an EV is not easy for many, particularly if you can’t charge at home. I think we will continue to see growth in EV sales, because the advantages out way the disadvantages for the majority of drivers.

[@tommysmith5479]

Couple of things to say... 1. I'm a PHEV owner and I can quite categorically say IT IS the worst of both worlds. The main problem being that my battery, after only 4 years, is virtually pointless. It could be because we used the car in EV mode most of the time around the town, but we didn't figure that we'd get through more charging cycles that way, hence why the battery is pretty much defunct now. And when you are out of battery, the MPG is shockingly poor, probably because of the extra weight that is no longer being supported by a battery. Anyway, overall, my motto is now "get a full EV or stick with ICE". 2. You talk about leasing a Tesla and then letting it moonlight - however, this depends on other people not bothering to buy a car, EV or not. But as most people do want a car, I doubt that this option will be viable. 3. I think for most people, there are 2 issues that stop them going full EV: a, range and b, price. Until those 2 variables become more favourable, then ordinary folk will simply not be interested. For me, personally, when a Niro sized EV is selling for around £20,000 and has a range of at least 400 miles, that becomes an option. But that seems a long way off.

[@MartiA1973]

Two elements spring to mind. The younger generations are often less possession centric. Incites they Uber more than oldies. Secondly, trade and work vehicles need to make a leap forward. Currently a budget van with 120 range is over UKP 30k and with crippling depreciation.

[@noblemish113]

There are way more negatives to how this technology has been implemented that the only way these garbage cans will be sold is if they're mandated or otherwise, they'll be a niche market as the should be.

[@jasonhasler7083]

I've set a few barriers to own an Electric car. 1. It needs at least a 450 mile range, 10 mins to fully charge and cost the same and an ICE car. Once we have solid state batteries I'm sure this will all be possible within five years. Another great video, thank you 😊

[@SDK2006b]

How often do you need 450 miles of daily range? You are applying fuel car range and filling up methods to EV’s - this is a mistake. Charging an EV is a completely different approach - you will charge it when it’s stopped and not being used. 450 miles is around 7-9 hours of driving. You’re saying, you are not stopping for a 30-45 mins break during this time?

[@toyotaprius79]

China is the only player offering truly affordable and mass adoption of EVs atm. Their market isn't oversaturated in excessive and inflationary profitable SUVs and luxury-chasing bells and whistles. Look at the cynical knife twist that is the Toyota AygoX that we have in Europe for example. China's market and industry are planned, rather than the market and industry lobbying in politics wasting everyone's time

[@bwarey52]

You can buy a new Nissan leaf and Vauxhal El Corsa in the UK for around 16k if you look around. Cheaper than anything from china to market yet hear 👍

[@garybibby2698]

Not a word about efficiency. 1 US gallon of gasoline is 34kwh of energy av US car does 24mpg. 0.7 mile per kWh. A typical EV runs at 4 miles per kWh.

[@punchbuggyyellow7097]

If I was only using my car to commute to work & do the odd shopping trip, an EV about the same size as my Honda Jazz (Fit) with around 100 km of range would be fine. Unfortunately, I live in a rented apartment in Australia. While there's plenty of power outlets in the office car park to charge, my home garage is not connected to power, so there's no chance of charging at home. And sometimes I need to drive a lot further than the 10 km to work. Once I get out of Sydney charging stations are few & far between. And that's if you can find one that's not out of order. A hybrid might work, but then I'd lose a fair bit of the carrying capacity that my Honda has & I've grown quite fond of that.

[@rocketaroo]

A petrol engine has a soul, it's a living breathing thing that as time goes by, wears, develops quirks, can be made to last longer with part replacements, and eventually fails despite doing it's best to keep going. It's alot like our own bodies, we age, we recieve treatments, but we eventually expire. Electrics don't have a soul that we can connect with, or feel an affinity for. They are soulless appliances, as that's all they can be.

[@chefchaudard3580]

It reminds me of the same comments about the steam locomotives. Which were replaced by diesel and electric locomotives anyway. Now, I have no particular love for a Dacia Sandero or a base VW polo, personally.

[@lucagattoni-celli1377]

Battery swapping would solve a few problems: - Charge times - Battery maintenance - Obsolescence of battery tech But complicated and expensive, capital-intensive for OEMs.

[@kadajawi2]

It solves a problem that's quickly disappearing. We are quickly approaching a 5 minute charge to be able to drive another 300-400 km, which should be good enough. Scaling battery swapping stations is very, very costly and very limited. It needs a ton of space to cover a couple of models and brands. etc. It's a dumb idea.

[@mpf1947]

@@kadajawi2 How many times is the battery capable of recharging that fast before failure? Probably not enough to outlive an ICE.

[@MrDuncl]

Nio are trying battery swap technology. I actually think a half hour swap for a refurbished battery for $3000 would be an acceptable alternative. That model already works with the Prius but at the moment there are far too many shapes and sizes of EV batteries.

[@kadajawi2]

@@MrDuncl Eventually being able to swap the battery, yes please. Though in most instances that won't be necessary. But swapping instead of charging? Not necessary, soon.

[@kadajawi2]

@@mpf1947 Depends on the electronics and preconditioning, but you wouldn't do that all the time. In most cases most people will be charging slowly, but for thet one road trip a year it would be useful.

[@fossilfueled27]

EVs don't just have the unknowns surrounding range anxiety and cost to overcome. Will they really stand the test of time in the same way an old Toyota does? Teslas seem to be holding up well, but a 10 year old Nissan Leaf can potentially have lost more than half of its total range. It'll be interesting to see how EVs from the last few years are holding up by the time this 2035 ban on new ICE cars happens. For a bit of a silly anecdote, compare a used EV to a 20-year-old Corsa/Fiesta/Polo/Yaris etc. They can be bought for a £1000, do 400+ miles (or even 500+) on one charge/tank, be filled in a few minutes, and if maintained, can potentially run for another 10-20 years. I wonder how long it will be before used EVs can really match all those stats.

[@justjc51]

The pricing would be a problem, as the battery in most EVs alone will have a worth of significantly more than a ten year old but somewhat reliable gasoline car. This is the reason why it is unlikely that there will be cheap used EVs, that are more than city cars. As for the Nissan Leaf the community has actually made it upgradable, with more reliable batteries that has a 52 kWh capacity, that might make one with a bad battery worth a buy and then an upgrade for a car that is likely to live on with minor servicing requirements for the next ten years.

[@fossilfueled27]

@@justjc51 I heard about that - It's nice to see the old cars getting upgraded. Only issue is that the manufacture of the battery pack is by far the most C02 intensive part of the electric car's life-cycle. If a Nissan Leaf then has two battery packs over its life, doesn't that make it a fair bit worse for the planet than an equivalent Nissan Micra or Pulsar? And isn't "saving the planet" the only reason we're being forced into these compromised machines in the first place?

[@Robert-cu9bm]

​@@fossilfueled27 We're being forced into them because they don't want people driving. EV they can choose to stop you driving when they want.

[@hectornecromancer5308]

Current EV? definitely not going to last Later EV? maybe

[@WildernessGuyBC]

The Nissan Leaf isn't a good example to measure all EV's against. It has a "passively" cooled battery pack, meaning there is nothing regulating the temperature of the cells. Almost every other EV has an "actively" cooled battery pack, meaning there are pipes with coolant that pass through the pack to cool it as necessary. This massively extends the life of the pack and is also why we see such a high failure rate on the Nissan Leaf compared to just about every other model of EV.

[@eb3ha4dl]

Most car owners don’t want to share their cars EV or ICE that doesn’t matter, your is car part of your personal property very few people like to share their property. There are already car sharing services and services where you can rent out your car but they are all small scale because of the reasons mentioned above.

[@eb3ha4dl]

EV’s need to become at least as convenient to own and use as ICE vehicles, preferably more convenient why else would you buy a more expensive product if it’s not making your life better. And that they are if you, as you mention, can charge at home. For everyone else they are less convenient and they’re almost always more inconvenient when you need to do long car journeys.

[@mattstanley2306]

The infrastructure in the uk just simply is a million miles away to stop petrol/diesel engines.

[@user-ih7gc7dt9l]

1000kg, 400km range, physical buttons and handling like a Renault Clio rs and I’d be very interested!

[@chefchaudard3580]

Why 1000kg? You are not supposed to pull it yourself! 😅

[@user-ih7gc7dt9l]

@@chefchaudard3580 I love lightweight cars but ok more realistically 1200kg would be okay

[@peterbroad1772]

Yes the buttons thing. I got in a VW ID3 demonstrator and immediately got out again. Just horrible.

[@imnotamechanic3491]

I think you are partly right - in that ownership cost is a big factor in choice of car, but I think the other factor - prestige - prevents the robotaxi idea becoming widespread. The biggest problem with EV's atm is that their running costs are often actually similar to that of a decent ICE car, but the ICE car is cheaper to buy, readily available secondhand (with no fear of battery depletion) and of course has a reliable and accessible refueling network. The people who are buying EV's are usually buying higher end ones (looking at the UK market share over the last yr, Tesla are consistently on top BMW, Audi & Merc usually make up the top 4, with MG the only one appearing regularly that high), this is because in the UK you get a nice tax break if you have EV as your company car - so you can have a prestige car and save money over an ICE. MG being the outlier further supports the overall cost argument, where the car is priced similarly to ICE cars. You can run an EV for a fair bit less than an ICE, with the right tariff you get charging which will work out at about 2p per mile, but unless you do the miles, a new EV will depreciate more than you save vs simply buying a used economical ICE (ie. if you purely look at total running costs, you wouldn't buy a new car!), or if you have short journeys, an old EV. So ultimately total ownership cost isn't a big factor in buying new cars, people spend what they decide they can afford. And should a company like Tesla decide to allow you to rent out your car, then it soon becomes associated that people in Teslas either don't own them, or can't afford a new car so have bought one they can rent out to pay for it - which defeats the object of being prestige and buying to one-up your neighbour. This also doesn't account for the likelihood of companies buying up fleets of cars to dominate the market - just as in the existing car rental market - whereby they buy new cars, rent them for a few months, then sell them on for what they paid (or more) on the nearly new market. Finally, you argue that if everyone can simply rent out a car to self drive them places, they wont need a car - many people dont NEED the car they have, SUV's are not neccessary for 99%+ of their owners. There's also company profits to consider - if people stopped buying cars, then they need to make the profit through charging for the car hire, which means a regular car driver (eg. commuter) will still want their own car (and as people commute at similar times demand, and thus hire cost would be high) as it would be easier and cheaper. Car sharing is the answer here, but we don't do it now much and it'll be no easier. So, what happens is that regular car users, plus anyone who simply wants to own a car, will own their own car, those who only need the ocassional ride (or otherwise cant own a car - can't drive, no parking, insurance insane) will rent a car - which is exactly what happens now - they book an Uber! In 10 years, in the UK most people just wont care - they simply want to get from A-B, they will have sorted the issues with charging stations and as petrol stations decrease they will be worrying about range anxiety in ICE cars! The cars in the forecourt will be electric, even if you cant charge at home, you will be able to charge whilst parked, you will be able to book your charging (like you can book parking) so you know once or twice a week, as you need to recharge, you will be able to. I'm amazed they havent done it already, if Amazon can deliver the same day, surely your car can message ahead to the nearest charger and book the next slot for when you arrive?

[@robertwestinghouse4098]

Great points. Let's think laterally -(deBono): we already have autonomous vehicles - called trains/trams etc. In the interests of the whole community, spend the billions on public transport. It may work in Europe, not the US.

[@polipochilegge]

Also, autonomous driving would be only available in cities or urban areas where traffic infrastructure is well maintained, taking as example my home country of italy, most city centers are already car-free or limited traffic zones, and country roads or other kinds of road are a huge part of our network, so i dont really see how it would be useful, unless it can be on pair with a regular human driving wich i kinda doubt, or at least i hope so because i'm not ready for that kind of dystopia EDIT: highways are very well maintained tho, so i can see it working there, but it would never be 100% autonomous since as soon as you get out of the highway it would need human intervention

[@stco2426]

The car also offers the personal space that the mass transit system does not. Decades of advertising and subsequent desire has 'driven' many away from the mass systems and unless the personal options are harder / more expensive etc, such as for mass transit commuting then the pod (or car) will often be preferred. Councils etc have often de-invested in infrastructure and routes, especially in rural and non-major town and cities so it's much harder to use what is often termed 'public transport'.

[@julianfoot8748]

I have an EV and will never go back to ICE. So fundamentally in my experience women love them for the same reasons I have. 1: Never have to take the car for servicing. 2: Never have to go to a petrol station. 3: Leave home every day with a a "full tank". 4: It just works. We were early adopters and have owned our car for 3 years. No problems. Not one and not one visit to the dealership. 99% of the journeys we do we don't have to recharge. sometimes we have done 3000km round trips and they have been easy, as we worked recharging into stopping for a rest or lunch Etc. Now hotels, restaurants, Airbnb, offices are all putting in charge points... So whilst I still love petrol cars, I don't miss the inconvenience and cost. It's like a coffee maker or a Nespresso. Yep the coffee maker is fun, it's complicated and it's messy but can make really nice coffee. In my office I have a Nespresso for 90% of the coffee I drink... it works, it's quick, it's clean. I remember when Smart Phones first came out. Some people rushed to buy... others waited... it was a niche now there are still people who don't use a smart phone... but what is a niche product now? Int the last 6 months 4/10 of our neighbours have bought EV's. They love them. my other neighbours are considering them. soon the proportion of ICE to EV will be 6/10. Thats not a niche. What will happen is ICE cars will become a niche. The practicality for 99% of the time will win out.

[@hectornecromancer5308]

This will work, as long as public charging is not a factor needed to be considered when doing road trip Public charging may be convinient for now because it's rarely crowded, if ever. But once it become a norm and entering electricity crisis (the crisis will happen at some point, just like petrol) and every public charging station is either full or inoperational, that'll be a complete nightmare

[@julianfoot8748]

@@hectornecromancer5308 You are assuming a system like we have today with petrol stations... fixed locations for public charging and always filling from an empty tank. Thats not what is happening. 1: you start the day from home with a full tank... every day. For most journeys you don't need a public charger. 2: public car parks and office car parks hospitals and hotels and restaurants are getting charge points. These can be no more than ordinary 240Volt sockets. This is no more drain on the infrastructure than plugging in another printer. whilst you are doing your 10 hour work day your car is charging up. Sit for a two hour meal and your car is charging up... 3: The intelligent charging network installed in charging systems minimises demand on the grid. Combine this with rooftop solar and wind generation and you have virtually free fuel. My car is charged by our solar array. I haven't had to use a public charger since one long trip we took in September. One has to change your mindset because electric cars free you from having to fill up your car 3-4 times a week from a public petrol station.

[@hectornecromancer5308]

@@julianfoot8748 EV long travelers aren't yet common (it's more ideal to be used within city anyway) Once it become the norm, are you sure you want to buy multiple houses to charge at one point to another?

[@julianfoot8748]

@@hectornecromancer5308 Eh? Tell me you know absolutely nothing about EV's without telling me! What are you on about? Hotels, Pubs, Restaurants, Super markets, car parks, shops, offices are all putting in EV chargers and you are talking about buying multiple homes? What? Thats ridiculous. You do realise you can charge an electric car with an ordinary domestic socket? Anywhere... What do you class as "long travelers"? My car can do the journey from London to Edinburgh with one charge of 15 minutes en route. Tell me you drive 415 miles without one comfort stop and filling up... for at least 15 minutes considering the average range of an ICE car is 412 miles. I don't know why people get so upset about another form of motive power in a car... are they the same people who would have asked how you could get petrol for a car in 1910 when your horse can just get grass off the side of the road!

[@hectornecromancer5308]

@@julianfoot8748 I don't have a problem with other alternative. Just with its user who thinks that other alternative is the only way to go

[@cosmoray9750]

Price is definitely one factor some people are not switching. Here in Canada, the GM bolt cost as much as a low income earner's annual wage. That is insane.

[@rusty911s2]

Prices of EVs are coming down relative to their ICE cousins. As more and more ordinary family cars become available and especially smaller cheaper ones (Citroen C3, Dacia Spring, R5 etc etc) ranges increase (they are), and charging infrastructure improves (which it seems to be), then it's pretty inevitable EV's will meet more people's needs. That said, big difference between being able to charge at home or not, but frankly as we're in the early'ish phase of the adoption curve I don't see this as an issue. That's still a LOT of households. By time we're at peak adoption, ranges will be such that not having your own charging shouldn't be a massive issue. Ultimately, for everyday driving, EV's are simply nicer: quiet, fast, smooth, clean (as in no smelly exhaust fumes, no dirty fuel pumping esp diesel). They're just easy. I'd never go back to ICE for my daily, yet I restore cars and have classic and vintage ones for the weekends.

[@lagmonster7789]

Also basic charging points will become ubiquitous almost anywhere there's available parking spaces. Even just the most basic 220-240V 13A single phase can still add like 100-150km range EVERY SINGLE DAY just charging overnight and/or while at work. That's enough for ~40000km(25000mi)^ a year and with Plug & Charge / Autocharge it's trivial to hook-up and pay too. ^~ Twice that if you charge both at home & at work.

[@Freespeech2222]

I have a plug in Hybrid, I have charged it twice in 2 years. It takes 4-5 hours for 25 miles of range. I can’t charge at home, so I do not bother.

[@seb_1504]

Whatever may be every new car costs too much 45-60k is not affordable. If they want evs to take over the government needs to make them cheaper than most gasoline cars while having similar range the US government putting 100% tariff on chinese EVs is a huge step in the wrong direction for convincing people. That being said I'm sticking with my diesel manual MK4 Jetta indefinitely 402k km and she's purring along like new and whenever the engine or transmission decides to give up if it does I will just be swapping a "new" one. No car debt for me.

[@WildernessGuyBC]

While EV's are more expensive up front, they are less expensive when you calculate the TOC (Total Ownership Cost). The reduced maintenance and fuel cost are a net savings overtime, despite the higher up front cost.

[@blooddude]

Four years ago, I was considering going Hybrid, I was very uncertain about BEVs and just didn’t trust the technology… Then I test drove a hybrid and a full BEV (the dealer allowed several day test drives)… I now own two BEVs including a Tesla Model Y Long Range. All my fears about BEVs were unfounded, and the hybrid just felt like the worst of both worlds. No one needs to do anything to increase BEV adoption, people just need to test drive them, they will sell themselves.

[@martijnkosters9024]

Small autonomous shuttles. That's the taxi or the bus reinvented really. Also, more vehicles on the road and less public transport use sounds like a bad development.

[@mattstechshow]

I'm planning on buying an EV as my next car, I just had to pay a load of money for repairs on my car for components that don't exist on an EV. Sure I'll miss gear shifts, but it's quieter, faster and in 6--7 years the infrastructure will be better for non-tesla's. (I'd still buy a Tesla). I just love the idea of a car where the only way it's likely to go wrong is an accident - and the insurance pays for that. Not a car where a belt might snap and you need a new engine or a new car.

[@BigCar2]

I've had my Tesla Model 3 since December 2018 and have spent less than $500 on maintenance, $350 of it was just this month (suspension).

[@mattstechshow]

@@BigCar2 I just spent 1000 on what was supposed to be a lifetime component - you're making me a very jealous man!

[@rp9674]

I kept my stick shift as a backup when I bought two evs, never used it, sold it. Stick shift was fun, but I wouldn't say I miss it

[@BensEcoAdvntr]

Good points all around. In much of America right now, there's still a large majority of people who know basically zero about EVs, but would actually find them more desirable if they were familiar. The design of most US cities is suboptimal for transit and walking, but is quite good for EVs. Specifically, over half of Americans live in a single family home, and nearly all of those have off street parking. As prices come down and word gets out that charging at home is *way* cheaper and easier than gas, I don't see how people turn that down. Yes, some will hold on to an ICE car for trips, but that's still a very solvable problem. The real issue remains the 30-40% of Americans that don't live in a detached house and have a landlord that's ambivalent at best about getting charging set up. Still a solvable problem, but one that will definitely need more time.

[@robertkimber822]

An interesting take on the EV debate. Early ICE car adopters of a century or more ago could always carry a spare can of petrol, not easy (although it is possible) to carry a can of electrons to get you to your destination in your Tesla. BEVs and PHEVs have significant downsides that may seem like mere inconveniences to EV enthusiasts, but are real to many. I wouldn't have one in my garage, or within 10 feet of the house for that matter, because of the severe fire risk. Yes, all types of car can catch fire, but a Lithium-ion battery is harder to put out, burns far hotter, is self sustaining and has an abundance of toxic chemicals and gases as a result. BEVs are the VHS of cars and PHEVs are Betamax. Call me when the streaming service version becomes available.

[@gs425]

The answer to EV range, the main stumbling block, is using say a dozen easily plug in smaller batteries. You buy a gallon of petrol, you buy a gallon size box of battery ! On-board electronics would show actual charge of battery , like weight on a block of cheese

[@anthonygray333]

I’ve been an early adopter most of my adult life. Early to get a VCR, PC and later laptop, cell phone, etc. I liked the idea of the Chevy Volt but it didn’t fit my needs at the time. Have a Grand Cherokee 4XE which I like very much. Might consider replacing the wife’s Caddy XT4 with an Optiq because we have the home infrastructure to do that. Had zero interest in replacing my ICE Silverado until I heard about the new Ram Hybrid coming out. I think it’s gonna be a long time before we are a pure electric fleet. Probably past my personal expiration date.

[@uhn100]

Hi very interesting on your take on the future of EVs I live in Georgia USA I see a lot of Tesla's on the road here it's a mixed bag a lot of people are anti EV on the other Hand a new company is building a EV car plant myself I won't be giving my Jaguar XJS up anytime soon these are just my thoughts on the subject thank you for this video best regards Andy Allen.

[@maickelwand9100]

In the Netherlands, petrol cars and petrol are so expensive that it can be quite profitable to drive an ev already. Here people buy cars with their wallet and not with their hearts. In 2013 the Outlander was one of the best selling cars because of tax incentives, not because of the car itself! Tax cars and petrol a bit more every year and people will move to EVs slowly. Not nice, but I guess it works that way. Extra tax money should of ideally be used to invest in infrastructure.

[@rp9674]

Smart country!

[@ericcarabetta1161]

Price is the biggest limiting factor. People that can afford a new EV already bought one or two. The low end of the market is more difficult, because of lower profit margins, and lacking public charging infrastructure for people who live in apartments. Range isn’t nearly as big an issue as people with range anxiety claim, most people aren’t driving 200+ miles a day.

[@michaelbuurnikolajsen7650]

Look at how Norway has invested in infrastructure where it is easy to charge publicly. The result is that over 90% of all car sales in Norway are EVs. Denmark is not as far ahead as Norway, but our government has removed the taxes on EVs to change the people's habits. My household has a Kia Niro EV 2024 and a Skoda Enyaq 85 We paid 41,000 gbd for the Skoda and 37,000 gbd for the Kia. If I were to buy a Skoda Karog with a 1.5 tsi engine in Denmark, it would cost 57,000 gbd

[@RisteTomoski]

Yes but Norway has less than 6 milion people and the biggest oil and natural gas exporter in Europe mind you!

[@toyotaprius79]

Does it also happen to be that Norway owns its own energy supply instead of flogging it off the scrupulous profiteering middlemen in the 90s/2000s?

[@toyotaprius79]

​@@RisteTomoski*State owned oil dividends and energy production Ftfy

[@michaelbuurnikolajsen7650]

@@RisteTomoski In Norway and Denmark (I have lived in both countries but am Danish) everyone pays a high tax, but there is such a free right to hospital treatment and education, including universities. Throughout the years, governments have focused on expanding the electricity grid and finding alternatives to coal and oil, and in Denmark, where we do not have the same oil resources, the expansion of charging networks is done in collaboration with private companies. Those measures could be implemented in England without any problems and would benefit many people, including people with low incomes, especially when cheaper electric cars come on the market. In Denmark, there is a tax on petrol and diesel cars of 180% and 0% on EVs up to 50,000 gbp. Today, Denmark's best-selling car is the Tesla model Y, previously it was the Citroen C3 or the Peugeot 208!

[@GrrFace-ce9np]

So they had to remove the tax on EV’s to give a massive incentive to buy one? That pretty much says it all; being coerced, pushed and forced to ‘change people’s habits’ as you say. It should be left to the people, the market decides, no incentives. If people want to buy them then fine but people shouldn’t be penalised for choosing something else.

[@Otto-AutoPilot]

Currently, I can decide at any moment to get in my car, without any meaningful preparation and drive anywhere (within reason). If I need fuel, I can add 400+ miles of range easily within 3 minutes from a vast network of fuel stations. It's mine and I don't want to, nor will share it outside my loved ones. As soon as an EV offers me the same convenience, without compromise and at no more cost, I'll maybe consider the switch. Until then, I will not pay more for less. Yes, governments can 'force' change, but to your point, people can also vote.

[@chosenArchitec]

I had a strong feeling that this video was going to be crap & you didn't disappoint hahaha *you had me in the first half...

[@cbrue1896]

Infrastructure here in the US is a big downer for EV sales. Now here in the Seattle area, Teslas are a dime a dozen! Head to Casper Wyoming, Billings, Montana, or Des Moines, Iowa, and see how many EVs you see in those locations. Infrastructure is key to the success of EVs. With that, charging needs to take less time. Perhaps when solid-state batteries are developed and widely used that would help speed up charging. IF and when that happens, then EV owners who don't have the ability to home-charge can go to a charging station and charge their EV as quick as they could fill a fuel tank. When those things happen, then I see adoption of EVs picking up significantly.

[@thatcheapguy525]

I think plug-in hybrids and pure EVs with range extenders make an awful lot of sense. although these two technologies are quite different they achieve a similar end result by keep the car and battery size & weight down + remove range anxiety. with the latest generation of IC engines being truly multi-fuel capable, ultra efficient ultra low emission sensibly sized hybrids could take us into the future without the need for massive infrastructure spending either.

[@12ze34]

Anyone who loves cars, want to drive, not be driven. There are public transport for that.

[@user-kc1tf7zm3b]

You are missing the point. Driving is just a chore for most people. Autonomous driving will dramatically reduce the number of road crashes, injuries and deaths.

[@12ze34]

@@user-kc1tf7zm3b Speaking of "missing the point", like I sayed, for those who love cars. Others do not enter in this equation.

[@michaelcavalier8750]

True, but even if I didn't want to drive, public transport is under government control. The government has already shown such poor judgement that I don't want them to have any more control over my life.

[@user-kc1tf7zm3b]

@@12ze34 It is possible to love cars and prefer the computer to do all the driving. It is not mutually exclusive. It is possible to love planes and be a passenger.

[@12ze34]

@@user-kc1tf7zm3b I really don´t see how, but maybe others can answer that.

[@TheInstructor66]

Im a norwegian drivinginstructor. You need a university degree for being one here. We have one of the most strict rules worldwide for getting a license. About autonomus driving cars: its important to remember the «human factor», because there are good and bad drivers. A bad driver will love it. Because she/he will be «saved» by the system. A good driver, on the other hand, will maybe be able to override if she/he see that the car is «thinking» wrong. As i use to ask people that are a big fan of autonomus cars: would you be a passenger on a airplane where the pilot just plot in the trip, and just say: have a nice flight, and leave the aircraft?

[@rp9674]

Appropriate comparison, Pilots are frequently under a policy of using autonomous but supervising it, human piloting is less safe

[@narinderchander]

EVs are good for people who charge at home and the range meets their needs so they don't need to charge on the road. The rest need a hybrid or and EV which has an onboard ICE engine that keeps the battery charged, like in the Nissan Qashqai e-Power. I use a Kia Soul EV for round trips of up to 200 miles and the Qashqai e-power for longer trips. Works great!

[@simonhodges6084]

This is a very good video in some ways but hopelessly naive in others. You can own an autonomous or driverless car that you farm out as a taxi to earn revenue. I would say that the interior would have to be totally washable plastic as when you get the car back in the morning you will have to wash out the semen, piss, shit and puke from all the unmonitored passengers using it overnight as you're quietly kipping. Most people don't take good care of their private cars so imagine how non-owners using the car as an unmonitored taxi are going to use it. But then there is just straight forward totalitarian surveillance to fall back on so welcome to that world.

[@jimpackard8059]

Simon hodges clearly lives in the real world. Well said

[@BigCar2]

Tesla cars have cameras in the interior. If the car is damaged they'll charge the people who made the mess. At least that's the theory, we'll see how it works in practice.

[@WellsoonMayhem]

Next Video: Bicycles - better than a car?

[@BigCar2]

They certainly keep you fitter!

[@laurens4359]

I own both and yes - bikes are way faster and cheaper for getting 2-3 miles to the city centre... (the local council has done everthing to make driving a misery with one-way streets and parking extortionate if available).

[@ukrytykrytyk8477]

@@laurens4359 Have you ever heard of traffic? Is an Induced demand concept familiar to you?

[@toyotaprius79]

​@@laurens4359also bikes and cyclists are now seen as a status of good health virility/libido

[@jimcabezola3051]

I can say pedal bicycles ARE better than cars in Honolulu from direct, on-going experience going on 12 years.

[@adolfodias1681]

The smell of blood in the lithium bateries descorages me ! Can't say nothing need to charge my telephone...

[@gaufrid1956]

Where I live in Cagayan de Oro City Mindanao Philippines, and in the Philippines in general, EV's are simply a no-go. Too expensive, not enough charging infrastructure, and much doubt about the reliability and safety of the large lithium ion battery packs. Most people who can afford a car here will buy an ICE one. For large Filipino families, with maybe the need to carry business related cargo as well, a turbo diesel 4x4 pickup makes sense. An EV SUV weighs as much, and isn't as practical. The electricity grid in the Philippines is often overstressed as well. Any government that bans ICE cars is foolish and deserves their comeuppance.

[@hectornecromancer5308]

Personally, I would love for EV to exist alongside ICE vehicle, since each of them has their own benefits EV cannot be used for heavy hauling (except if there is inductive charging on the road like being used on electric train) and rural areas with little to no electricity access. But on urban areas with sophisticated infrastructure, EV is a great choice

[@derekr1113]

That was a really good balanced video - thanks. My opinion is that Governments need to stop subsidising oil (big secret that Oil does not want you to know) and make polluter cars pay for climate change (v expensive) and, oh look, EVs are much cheaper that petrol cars - job done

[@toineleuverink9905]

You're the best!! It is wat it is at the moment and you are so accurate on the reality! I love it....Keep it up! 💪🏻

[@HelloForeignWorld]

I don’t think the “taxi” idea will make anyone care, but if I can send off my car to a free parking lot while I am in the office, that would save me good cash especially in expensive cities with limited parkings or expensive street parking

[@SimonMarseille]

Absolutely. 100% agree that this is where the future is at.

[@TheVintageApplianceEmporium]

Two things for me: 1. The fact that Governments (generally hated by all) are FORCING this on people gives an immediate reaction of "NO!" from the majority 2. Unless the charging network mimics the convenience of petrol stations, with a similar refuelling speed, people will not adopt this technology I am absolutely aware that owning an electric car suits some people. However, that percentage is small. Until they suit the majority, they will not be adopted by the masses

[@SnabbKassa]

I often drive as many hours a day as a lorry driver's legal maxmum, but in a car, and therefore up to twice the speed of a lorry. So the distances can be 900 km. Until they make an electic car that can do at least 500 miles without a charge, they don't fit my use case at all, and I am not going to drive at 34 mph to squeeze out that kind of range.

[@aluminati9918]

Great vid, thanks. Writing from Norway, EVs dominate car sales completely. The answer is easy: tax incentives combined with infrastructure investment. Not to offend, but judging from UK government’s efficiency in other matters, you will have none of this. 😅

[@rp9674]

Look what smart people can do, we should all be inspired

[@strayling1]

How long did it take for electric lights to replace gas lamps? It doesn't happen overnight, but the change is only going one way.

[@chefchaudard3580]

You miss the point : electric lights were safer and more effective than gas lights. EV cars are certainly more environmental friendly, but they have no particular advantage when compared to ICEs. They have on the contrary some drawbacks : cost, limited range, charging…

[@strayling1]

@@chefchaudard3580 They're faster, lower maintenance and cheaper to run, to mention just three non-eco advantages.

[@chefchaudard3580]

@@strayling1 faster : most people don’t care, even Germans. Most cars are fast enough for most of their users. And it is not always the case : some electric cars are in fact slower as there is a limiter. Lower maintenance : yeah… a few hundred bucks a year… it does not really make for the price difference. Cheaper to run : there are so many incentives that it is the ICE that is artificially made more expensive. Though I agree that, for the buyer, it is something to take in account. The point is : there was a huge difference between gas and electric lighting, no incentive was required to favour the second. It stand on its own merits. For the EV, the only advantage is that it is more environmentally friendly. For the rest, it is equal, at best, and sometimes worst if the incentives are removed from the equation.

[@duncanward770]

I live in San Diego and I’ve had Teslas with FSD Beta for years. When you said you use it daily, I think you are referring to the standard version, not the Beta version we have here. All I can say is that all the doubters should give it a try. I’m tired of people saying ‘it doesn’t drive itself - it’s just like cruise control’. It does, and it isn’t. Now I fully appreciate the roads here are straight and the weather is generally good, but mine will drive itself fully to Los Angeles for example. It has improved exponentially over the years. It’s still not perfect, but its rate of advancement is impressive. I’m no Tesla fanboy (I also have a Rivian and a number of ICE cars), but credit where it is due. I really believe in a few years the cars will get there.

[@BigCar2]

I'm using the FSD beta. I got it to drive 20 miles without intervention the other day. Very impressed. I tried it a couple of days on a 50 mile drive. I had to intervene to stop it crashing into another car (ironically a Tesla). It's getting better, but still not there yet.

[@BjoernMueller]

I bought a used Renault Zoe 40kwh for around € 10k two years ago when my Kangoo broke down and it felt too expensive to fix. Battery is still at 96% health. My longest journey in a day is usually 150km total. So that even works without a problem in winter (Renault Zoe isn't great with range, old battery tech). I guess i'm lucky i'm allowed to just plug in the granny charger in a outlet at work and since my boss (who lives next door) got Solar i'm usually charging on his charger thats only using Solar. Overall i think i spent about €120 for charging in the past 2 yrs. With the Kangoo i spent at least 20€ per week for gas. :D Also even though the Zoe isn't really a fast accelerating EV ... i usually get away from every gas car at the lights hillariously fast. So...yeah... i'll never go back to gas if i can help it. Just does not make any sense for my usecase :D

[@lagmonster7789]

€10k for a 40kwh Zoe two years ago?! What an absolute steal, you dirty mugger 😂 They're only just starting to dip to that price here in DK and only for the very saddest examples. Also 96% SOH is pretty amazing considering the poor thermal battery management in the Zoe. What year and mileage is it? I'm considering buying a used one too, so I'm very curious here 😀

[@markuk8253]

I would be interested in hearing your thoughts on rented batteries, please. A (somewhat) standardized battery, with automated (robotic) swapping, that you pay a flat fee for the use of. When your battery gets flat, drive into the "Auto-Battery Garage", and it gets swapped for a fresh one. You continue your journey in a matter of minutes. The flat battery can then get charged at an efficient rate (potentially from renewables) that doesn't "knacker" the battery like a high-speed charger does. You could still charge at home if you wanted, but wouldn't have to if the infrastructure to get a home charger didn't make sense, or could not be added. You also don't have to own the battery, so it doesn't become the limiting factor for ownership life of your vehicle. Thoughts?

[@BigCar2]

Tesla tried that early on and abandoned the idea. Not sure why. There's a Chinese company that's offering it now on Chinese cars. You'd have to make some sort of universal battery pack that would work on any car, and right now it works on almost none. So, you'd need to get consensus on a standard, and a shape. Car companies tightly package all their vehicles, so getting agreement on a common shape would be hard. Then you need to build out the infrastructure for batteries around the country. That's a lot of money - who's going to pay for it? Car companies won't want to. And each charging place will need to have people to man them. What if you want to change a pack at 3am? Also, you may swap out your 95% good battery pack for a 50% good one, then keep it in your car for years as you're charging at home, and if it fails you'll be pissed off. Maybe there would be a warranty to help with that. So, yeah, it sounds like a good idea and something I thought would be good a few years ago, but it's riddled with practical issues. Maybe that's why Tesla backed away from the idea and went to fast charging, which is getting pretty good now - you can get 100 miles of range in just a few minutes.

[@warren6815]

EVs do work for some people. Unfortunately for a huge amount of people they don't. Things wouldn't be so bad if they were going to be sold alongside ICE vehicles in the future, rather than instead of. For EVs to work for the majority they need to be as good as, or better, than the technology they're replacing. And unfortunately they aren't. I tried a Kia Nero EV for a while. Claimed to have a range of 240 miles, but I never saw more than 200 on the range. If I turned the heater on it'd drop further. Lights, wipers, etc would drop it even further. Claimed range for daily driving from a full battery was 170 miles. That's fine for people who don't make long journeys, however as Kia recommended me not charging it above 80% frequently, or letting it drop below 10% you've realistically only got about 120 miles of range. And that was over a summer. In winter I imagine it to be even lower. Charging was also an issue. I don't have the ability to charge at home. If I did things may have been different, but due to multiple reasons I can't have a charger at home. I quickly got bored of having to go out in an evening for an hour or so to charge the car up ready for the next day, and on a Sunday afternoon/evening it appeared that everyone else in the area with an EV with no ability to charge at home had the same idea! The car itself was pretty decent. Quiet, comfortable and pretty easy to drive. For me, PERSONALLY, the powertrain let it down. I'm sure it'd work for some people, but not for me.

[@SDK2006b]

If you need to charge an EV to 100% for a trip then do. The recommendation to charge to 80% is for day-to-day use. Lights, wipers, infotainment etc..all run off the 12v battery, same as an ICE car, and draw very little power anyway.

[@warren6815]

@@SDK2006b What surprised me about the Niro was that it had halogen headlights. I'd have thought LED would have drawn a lot less power. One of the reasons I assumed the range dropped by about 10 miles whenever I turned them on...

[@rp9674]

Eevee's work for a huge amount of people

[@hectornecromancer5308]

@@warren6815 the computer, power distribution and power consumption really need to be improved Power consumption are somewhat solved now by Asian manufacturers, such as China and Korea. Their EV consumes less KwH than from other manufacturers, especially Tesla

[@SnappyWasHere]

Range was my issue. Real world 250-280 miles wasn’t enough. Bought one with 450 miles of real range and I couldn’t be happier. When I go somewhere that’s far enough per day and I charge at hotels for free. I can’t imagine going back to an ice vehicle.

[@lookoutleo]

I have a Nissan leaf and it's range is small so I charge at home. The price per kwh at public chargers is getting rediculous. Here in Scotland rapid can cost 75kwh which makes it more to run than a ice car . Plus road tax goes up next year to the equivalent of ice road tax , maybe once labour gets in their might be a cap on the charging price.

[@jameschristian1549]

Someone has to come up with a better battery or something else that can store enough energy and charge fast before I would even consider an EV. At 68 years old I probably won't live long enough to see it. With that being said I have no problem with someone wanting to own, but don't force me to buy one. I really enjoy your videos even though I'm in America.

[@m.i.andersen8167]

Thanks for the video! I always watch your videos with great interest and pleasure. This one was a little different which is also fine, but I have a few simple comments. When the aviation industry changed from combustion engines to turbojets there were also skeptics, but the vast majority could see the advantages of an engine with one tenth as many parts and a much better efficiency and less noise. The fact that a large part of electricity is already produced in an environmentally friendly way makes replacing the car fleet with electric cars a no-brainer. Like many others, I also thought it was fun (when I was younger) to drive my old Fiat at max. rev with lots of gear changes on suitable roads, but 99% of the time I've spent in a car has been ordinary boring transport, and for that I definitely prefer an electric car. In my street in central Copenhagen half of the parking lots has charging stations.

[@dlevi67]

"The fact that a large part of electricity is already produced in an environmentally friendly way makes replacing the car fleet with electric cars a no-brainer." From an environmental point of view, little doubt (though lithium extraction isn't exactly environmentally friendly, other battery technologies will become available). However, from an infrastructure point of view it's not a no-brainer at all.

[@m.i.andersen8167]

@@dlevi67 I think you have a point when it comes to big cities. I walk and take the Metro (Underground) far more often than I drive the car. But for people in the countryside, a car may be necessary.

[@dlevi67]

@@m.i.andersen8167 Yep. Also, not all cities are the same - in London, more than half the houses have no parking... and at least London has decent public transport, unlike other places in the UK. We have built a whole civilisation on personal transport, and undoing even part of it is not going to be easy.

[@davidlemottee2063]

Brilliant video - thought provoking. I know we will have to adapt this new technology but cant find a starting point. Here in range anxiety Australia - the general community have no connection with EV and see it as a nuisance.

[@ukrytykrytyk8477]

Skateboard platform idea is interesting when one chassis can be passenger car daytime and then has it body swapped at night to serve as delivery vehicle. Private car ownership is expensive nowadays and I can see many would like to remove that expense from their budget.

[@el_es]

The thing y'all are probably missing is that the ride sharing as T and E are envisioning probably is better suited for Americas sprawling suburbs where there is no bus or train or public transport to be seen. These people have to either have cars or lend them as t and E want or, rely on someone to drive them. And this can be a case for ai if solved. I don't think this will take up here in Europe much we have different needs - cheap EVs probably but if it can drive me around when I'm old and be safer when I'm 90 then why not.

[@ML-qk1px]

Nothing enlightening to say on EV adoption I’m afraid, but interesting your take on plug-in cars. You think it’s the worst scenario, yet other reviewers are evangelical that it’s the best solution. Just shows how it’s all still very polarised. I think the EV option for us in the UK is a long way from being settled. Ive just watched a video on You Tube where someone had to replace thei 12v battery on their Porsche Taycann for the 2nd time. The cost, £2800!! I also had the 12v battery on my Hybrid Rav4 fail recently, but was covered under warranty. People need to get around, and the EV option is a long way off when petrol and diesel cars can be run far cheaper. Thanks for your content here on KZbin