ex DICE devs are making a Battlefield type game...

[@xgtwb6473]

You can tell The Finals idea was discussed by the BF staff if two teams have basically built the concept in two different ways

[@samhyatt4863]

yeah except at least one embraced what it was, and had actual good art style… this one looks like bf2042 graphics and doesn’t really know what its trying to be

[@stevemc6010]

The Finals seems to be the final realization of that competitive mode that was BF1 Incursions and BFV's canceled competitive mode tbh.

[@user-ne9sd4ow1o]

​@@samhyatt4863 Facts. If this game doesn't carve out a unique art style and feel, it will die.

[@BleedingUranium]

@@samhyatt4863 Art style (etc) is personal preference, but I absolutely cannot stand the aesthetic of this or The Finals.

[@Lewbert]

​@stevemc6010 oh mt god I had completely forgotten about incursions. Probably played 3 games

[@riloegaming]

People didn’t love Battlefield for the technical aspects of the literal conquest gamemode. They loved the large-scale combine arms nameless-soldier-in-large-scale-warfare feeling. This game might be fun, but it doesn’t satisfy the Battlefield feeling at all.

[@Neur0nauT]

I get what you feel here. I don't see any massive armour, warplanes, or random big-style explosions like an average BF game. The sandbox of old made for some chefs kiss emergent gameplay and random chaos. I mean I don't often want to jump into an aircraft and start crushing folks with my shite flying skills and spamming the primary... but at least it's an option right?. I think these devs obviously favoured the intricacies of infantry combat. I don't think it's possible to capture lightning in a bottle as BF3 did.

[@xbotnpc420]

It drives me insane that they don’t see what they have!!! No one wants to come to Battlefield games for Battle royale or an arena shooter! There are other games that already got that covered! They can dominate the battlefield large scale combined arms multiplayer market but they get in their own way.

[@deeejayjp]

THIS 10000% percent amen

[@tetchedskate3366]

I mean I agree. But it’s obvious there’s a large playerbase of battlefield players that are looking for specifically more bf gunplay. Metro and similar maps prove that

[@clethcriss6258]

Yeah, I didn’t like anything else than Conquest… so nope.

[@RedSauce1]

Looks like a mix of The Finals and Battlefield.

[@Redeadman55]

I was just about to say that. I kind of dig it. It seems "clunky" in terms of movement but gunplay and mechanics seem solid. I very much support this studio and the game so far. It looks very fun without being overwhelming or gimmicky.

[@YouTubetail]

Jackfrag best world bro

[@rxvz663]

cough

[@LiveTUNA]

Absolutely like like it's in "The finals" universe.

[@inGameweTrusted]

The Finals -Xdefiant and Apex

[@Acheron.426]

You had me at Battlefield, then you lost me with dancing soldiers.

[@inkozebadigbadig37]

i get what u mean but still gonna ask when were there any dancing soldiers in bf ?

[@capolean2902]

@@inkozebadigbadig37he probably means he doesn’t really like it

[@quickestturtle2951]

if the gameplay is good whats the issue with having dancing soldiers at the start of the match? you people be getting mad at the most irrelevant stuff

[@latinodollar]

@@quickestturtle2951 missing cool factor/player immersion. the devil is in the details

[@JoeSmith-fe5tc]

Kids are playing these games

[@UncleBurrito15]

The destruction doesn't beat The Finals

[@rjjohn2241]

Facts

[@UncleBurrito15]

@TheScepticalThinker1 are you sure?

[@codysullivan656]

​@@UncleBurrito15 yes. I'm not gonna glorify destruction that's been a thing in gaming for atleast 10 years now. Also the finals 😴😴 that game is for people who like edging themselves on ranked lmao

[@UncleBurrito15]

@TheScepticalThinker1 no I'm just confused how full scale server side physics based destruction can be considered cheap

[@CluTrading]

​@TheScepticalThinker1"cheap"💀

[@BlurXIII]

2010s: Oversaturated with military shooters 2020s: Oversaturated with generic cartoony shooters

[@Kaimerah]

the one thing i hate about mp FPS games is that the second 1 game finds success, literally every other game copies. shits annoying and i feel it happens the most with fps games.

[@BraveHardt0]

@@Kaimerahthat’s exactly why Fortnite single handedly ruined gaming in my opinion. Ever since it came out every single game including freaking sports games, they all have battle passes and stuff like that. Every FPS thats came out recently had implemented multiple things they copied from Fortnite. It’s so horrid and I don’t see it ever getting better 🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️

[@TheSense13]

@@BraveHardt0 You're blaming the game that did something different instead of the games that copied, how does that make any sense

[@PnwPryo]

@@BraveHardt0nah there were battle passs before fotetnite

[@BigMan7o0]

​@@BraveHardt0battle passes aren't bad, that's actually the main good thing fortnite brought to gaming

[@wagfpsbr]

looks like the Battlefield that the candy crush guy who worked in 2042 wanted

[@Elibrev]

😭

[@Blackicetac]

Holy smokes this comment nearly took me out

[@SL4PSH0CK]

😂 we all just wanted an ol'BF game

[@Shakahron]

I'm going to be honest. The aesthetic of this game is a massive barrier for me.

[@elemenopycuaress7454]

100%. If I had to describe it in one word, I'd go with "generic". Completely uninspiring. New art direction needed.

[@RJTradess]

It looks like a mobile game lmao

[@handlechar568]

giving it a 2142 aesthetic instead is an absolute no-brainer, it would please most people, it could be grounded, gritty, and still have lot's of silly stuff in it. what the hell are they thinking.

[@elemenopycuaress7454]

These bland competitive FPS attempts always remind me of Shootmania Storm from Ubisoft. Back in 2013 Ubi had their Trackmania dev, Nadeo, take a stab at an eSports focused FPS (gotta get a piece of that COD/CS pie) and as much it was a structurally sound and fun game, the aesthetic was sleep inducing. The art direction tasted like cardboard. Same feels with this.

[@iaminlovewithpie]

its like they copied "The Finals" from the environment to the gameshow stuff

[@DavidChello]

Literally what hooked me with Battlefield 2 nearly 20 years ago, was the sound of my soldier's footsteps and gear on Dalian Plant, right after installing from the free trial disc from Maximum PC; how it varied from pavement to gravel to grass. The attention to detail of the sound effects and the crisp gunshot sounds, made it a game. Bring that level of detail and work into the graphics and gameplay and make an epic BF shooter. This stuff however, looks rather cartoon-like.

[@Arnechk]

BF2 also had atleast 15 seconds of quiet every so often, nowadays its just constant noise.

[@Adamsocas]

this 100%. and honestly, the craving is so goddamn strong for that experience that ill take even just ONE of those boxes ticked. like, yeah i want the whole experience, but if we could just have a game that runs and guns like battlefield, ill be happy. seems we cant even have that.

[@bongbing00]

Exactly. We have the tech and graphics nowadays, but nah they rather go backwards and make things look less unrealistic and tacky. I just want a fast pace, realistic looking battlefield. Not futuristic but also not the 1900s.

[@DavidChello]

@@Arnechk true

[@LowkeyLucass]

@@bongbing00 thats insurgency

[@merten0083]

This is like Crackdown 2 levels of destruction, they got precut squares in the buildings that despawn the moment an explosive touches it. Toy looking guns, all your teammates have blue outlines in case you can't tell who's who and the most soulless UI I've seen since Ghost Recon: Breakpoint. I actually thought this video was going to be about The Finals ngl.

[@thomaskopv2366]

it is still in alpha right?

[@ivan5604]

Didn’t all the battlefield games before BF1 operate the same way with destruction?

[@ronaldochop4191]

I'm so tired of goofy fortnite looking games. Just give me old school shooters like Battlefield 3 and og Cod Modern Warfare 2.

[@kassim5709]

In fact, the interface looks more like Overwatch than Fortnite

[@WhoIsJohnGaltt]

Same. I’m tired of living in toddler land. Give me a mature adult game already unsteady of making me feel like a baby

[@cachalotreal]

its named “combat champions” for fuck’s sake

[@axcelramos]

@@WhoIsJohnGaltttry World War 3. It’s f2p now 🤷‍♂️

[@beyondcompare9526]

Yes 🙌

[@chrisa8863]

Everyone is trying to make a battlefield-like game, but no one is actually making battlefield 😐

[@Desert-Strike]

I know it ! It’s not that hard … just legit copy bf2 from 2004 or whatever and your done haha .

[@480darkshadow]

Play Battlebit

[@chrisa8863]

@480darkshadow I don't have a PC -get a PC I'm working on that lol

[@Micromation]

@@480darkshadow Battlebit is not bad but it's not BF2 in any relevant capacity...

[@MR_K-RO]

Delta Force is the only hope ATM

[@Ja90b1]

Why is everything stylized as a fuckin gameshow now

[@XSISTANC3]

Ikr , im pissed that old bf dev made the final and then this ....

[@Senban9]

I blame Arnie

[@thek1llercheese]

Its geared toward kids

[@Matty8787]

Guarantee they have done studies which shows this makes more money

[@TheMonkeyShowOnline]

Everything??

[@InitiallyJayKay]

Looks like it was supposed to be a paintball game

[@Blackicetac]

It would make me 100x less angry if it was. Lol

[@ZeroB4NG]

Paintball... Nerf guns... Airsoft ... freaking Lasertag ... that would at least fit the silly gameshow theme, then you just need better overall STYLE. Military weapons and killing people in a gameshow setting??? That is 2 incompatible styles clashing together, that doesn't mix.

[@ricardoronaldo837]

@@ZeroB4NGwe need a nerf gun like foam dart shooter but the enemies explode into extreme gore on contact. But the bullets should still have nerf physics

[@bigtom4279]

This looks like a watered down version of the finals

[@stitchcompany291]

watered down battlefield

[@jrh7178]

Literally the only thing here that reminds me of Battlefield is the destruction. Otherwise it looks like yet another generic cartoonish arena style shooter the FPS market is FILLED with nowadays...

[@rolltideroll8458]

Yep, i'll just go back to bf4

[@Azrael_wings]

Agree, not even close to battlefied. Just a boring cartoonish fps

[@CitizenKang]

The destruction looks very cut and paste. Perfect sections of the buildings disappear.

[@XxInfinityxXTimer]

@@rolltideroll8458 EA is shutting down BF3 and 4 server

[@steckage1]

you either die as a grounded in reality military shooter or live long enough to become a goofy ahh game show shooter

[@alexanderhelmer9245]

This needs more likes

[@cursory9031]

ViRtUaL

[@zekeyeager1458]

LMFAO

[@Regan4491]

Battlefield isn’t realistic combat lil bro

[@JustSomeHylian]

We can just act like the finals never existed and play this 🤷🏾‍♂️💀

[@Am_Yisrael_Chai_7]

Most Bf veterans will find this ridicoulus.

[@clashcon11]

I find it ridiculous even tho I just started with BFBC2.... Or old Delta Force Game.

[@Whity_Whiz]

Battlefield 1942 with secret wpns of WW2 expansion, battlefield Vietnam. True ogs know these gems. Btf warlord was here Bois.

[@Soliye.]

Yup. Now I know no OG at DICE is left in the industry.

[@cwatson42785]

Yup

[@paradigm2266]

I think everyone who says the aesthetic is way off are correct. I understand they want to do something different, and I think this sci Fi theme isn't bad. If they made it less like a esport-gameshow look and more like a realistic, gritty, militaristic cyberpunk feel with battlefield 4 mechanics would be cool.

[@Tomhyde098]

It’s an extreme color palette but it’s nice being able to see enemies. I have blue green colorblindness and in modern day shooters and can be tough for me to see enemies. I think that’s why I enjoyed Battlefield 1 so much, each side had distinct color schemes that I could see really well. Especially the French in those blue uniforms

[@jownye]

Nothing yells Battlefield more than blue rifles and infantry flying around...

[@bushkilla7348]

Looks fun for 5 minutes material. Tonally completely misses the mark regards Battlefield

[@ktk640]

because it isn't a battlefield game?

[@09erre]

@@ktk640 well they shouldn't market it as such then. It's literally in Jack's title " ex DICE devs are making a Battlefield type game... "

[@bos-63ms]

@@09erre Because it's a large scale combat game? It's a Battlefield TYPE game. It's NOT Battlefield. Making a blocky sandbox game doesn't immediately mean you are making Minecraft, right?

[@RJTradess]

@@bos-63msnah it’s definitely not a battlefield type game sorry

[@Benefits]

The visual style, the stadium lights, bleachers, team branding, etc makes this look like a rejected version of The Finals. They need to completely remake the art style if they want a chance at success because people are going to look at this game, instantly call it a knock off of The Finals, and never give it a second thought.

[@user-ne9sd4ow1o]

Facts.

[@BleedingUranium]

Yeah. They seem to have pretty solid weapon models, soldier models (awful bright colours side), and decent weapon animations, but... that's it. Like, everything else is awful, from the colour palette to the "game show" setting, to the excessively busy UI/HUD, to the catapults flinging people around, and heck, they didn't even manage to get the +1 in the chamber mechanic for the weapons, a very basic thing Battlefield has managed for a decade and a half.

[@edwindungdung1998]

What it does tell me is that back in the day, the DICE team was really in sync, based on how similar both games look and feel.

[@divinelyshpongled]

100%.. poor move by them

[@lexnorwood6949]

I didn’t think it looked like the finals but at the same time the art style is still so disgustingly unappealing

[@moody_weirdo]

They seem to be as out of touch as EA if they’re aiming for a Battlefield competitor, we want an arcadey-realistic modern BF3/4 shooter

[@Novskyy621]

Isn't this exactly that? Asides from the "Fortnite" graphics?

[@Antimanele104]

Then go play BF3 or 4. BF4 still has a population. Truth is whatever this game wants to be, is more The Finals than Battlefield.

[@MagicMan1gaming]

@@Novskyy621No they’re going for the “game show” theme like the finals.

[@P0W3RH0U53]

I don't understand this comment lol. This looks like an evolution of bf3/4.

[@Darkdiver28]

@@P0W3RH0U53I guess he talking more about the aesthetics. The flashy colors is just a turn off

[@MbV9320]

You are 100% on target with the point about the logo! My first reaction was "Is this the right game?"

[@Turmatwertle]

This looks fresh and exciting! Loved what the other ex dice devs did with The Finals. So im excited to check this out as well!

[@mark27432]

You got through this entire video without mentioning The Finals, impressive!

[@4UDIOTAPE]

He did mention The Finals tho. Once.

[@DILLIGER90]

must be because nobody talks about that game

[@SL4PSH0CK]

😂ikr The Finals and this. When overall we just need a classic BF game

[@Quxrk]

The finals is sick asf. Game deserves way more attention it’s unique and super fun when you figure it out

[@AlbertAdamsLincoln]

@@Quxrk nah, three man team suck

[@BATMACE555]

imagine if any "ex dice developers" decided to make a game with realistic war aesthetics instead of fantasy game show stuff. might actually be onto something.

[@BarrenBones-t2h]

Completely agree Jack, I don't think just having battlefield-esque gamemodes will be enough to attract a sizeable audience. Studios need to drop this aesthetic.

[@NegativeCreepYT]

One thing is that it has a generic cartoon aesthetic like Fortnite. The other is the arena style like The Finals, XDefiant and now this game. I would say The Finals is the only one that has nailed it with the arena style and generic non-cartoon aesthetic. The thing is they made it believable and executed it correctly. Combat Champions (god even the name is absolutely pathetic and generic) looks like a generic mobile game with no personality.

[@xthinkfast]

​@@NegativeCreepYTxdefiant isnt as cartoony as this i'd say, it leans more towards arcady like old cod

[@Soliye.]

@@xthinkfast It still has no personality, just like Ubisoft took away Six Siege's...

[@OlderThanAverageGamer]

Everything The Finals didn't do... From the looks of it

[@Jestersage]

Except the only thing The Finals didn't do is low ttk and capture the point and 3D Map spawn.

[@OlderThanAverageGamer]

@@Jestersage Right... Which is exactly what this game IS doing.

[@Raraoolala]

with good reason, this does not look remotely more attractive than The Finals...

[@OlderThanAverageGamer]

@@Raraoolala I would have agreed with you.. then I played the finals. I played this over the weekend as well. Still a ways off but it's got a few things going for it. Challenging enough gunplay, larger team based fights and weapon/attachment/build options. One thing I really didn't care for with The Finals was the lack of weapons and the complete omission of any weapon customization (actual customizations, not cosmetics). There's still much to do here but, for everyone who didn't want 3v3 (and the the rest of the mass, player, exodus from The Finals) really might find something here that does it for them.

[@Raraoolala]

@@OlderThanAverageGamer Yeah, you're right I suppose, there may be something here for others. You make a good point, I don't care much for weapon customizations, but level-destruction, unique tech/gadgets, and a handful of different game modes - I'm sold. Definitely kinks to be worked out here too, but after a long break The Finals is what brought me back to the genre after last enjoying BFBC2 the most and exiting the scene around BF3.

[@kezzaman]

I like the red and blue colours, if someone is on my screen I want to be able to see them

[@cassiushellsin6243]

Battlefield: *massive battles with vehicles, classes and destruction* This game: *The Finals at home* Why do the soldiers look like airsoft/toy soldiers?

[@Soliye.]

It's what I call the Live Service™ personality

[@alexanderm3504]

We need soldiers talking like the soldiers in Battlefield 3 during combat, made it feel so realistic lol

[@jason30963]

i miss that atmosphere made you feel like your really at war and it felt bad ass

[@kensofuego5928]

I don’t get it lol

[@jjayala5512]

​@@kensofuego5928 BF4 soldier chatter

[@SpiTFir3z]

BF3 many glorious f bombs

[@kensofuego5928]

@@jjayala5512 oh I get it nice now lol. Ya bf3 voice was way better than bf4 but after a while it get annoying of the characters talking. Idk if you can mute their voice tho in bf3

[@sneakkyz3696]

The cover art definitely looked like a mobile game

[@GabrielMartinez-sd8pc]

I refuse to believe any developer who made the GOATs BF1/3/4 was part of the development of Battlefield Fortnite V 2042.

[@STEFANLOF]

Thanks for the tip my friend! I Applied for the playtest, hopefully I'll be meeting you in the game 😉

[@RevDMQ]

Looks almost like The Finals. Arena, commentators, destruction, etc. Makes me think there were these conversations happening at DICE 10 years ago and as the band split up and created different studios they each made their own version of that idea they had together back in the day.

[@m00tes]

Feels like the Finals and BF hybrid and i cant really say i like it. It feels like it wants to be both, but is good at neither. The art design really puts me off for some reason. Many Battlefield-like games lately, but none of them scratch the right spot.

[@ST4MPLM4DB]

Same feeling here, I guess we missed a BF game that has a real life conflict theme!!

[@railasvuo]

I agree

[@Creepyman8]

Yeah I totally agree. I almost feel like the recent fps games are aiming more towards amazing graphics rather than a mixture of realism and fun. Wish there were more games like BC2, BF3 and BF4.

[@captaincrunch7944]

As a battlefield connoisseur I have been around and seen many a dice a game. I scooff at this turn my nose ...it's poppycock I tell you straight bollucks

[@druthisrirama7551]

Spot on

[@PyroTechitten]

This doesn't feel like BF at all. The atmosphere is so vital for them and this just doesn't have anything close.

[@clashcon11]

This is more like a children's playground.

[@shredd5705]

Yes but there won't be AAA atmospheric military FPS games anymore. Not like BF3 and BF4. Because back then, monetizing skins hadn't become crazy yet. People didn't see it as important.... and devs didn't know that idiots will pay anything to look ridiculous and "unique" in a shooter. Now they know... and they aren't going back

[@braddeicide]

It looks better than the finals

[@thatbrentguy9531]

You're totally on point with the branding, if I was scrolling past and saw that brand game logo with the t rex and gun I wouldn't even have given this game a second look.

[@lamsmiley1944]

I just want a more gritty battlefield style game.

[@Warfaremachine0095]

battlefield its not even gritty to start with, you ever played Red Orchestra 2?

[@lamsmiley1944]

@@Warfaremachine0095 I’d love if Hell Let Loose had player controlled planes. I just don’t get the enjoyment out of Battlefield that I used to get

[@Warfaremachine0095]

@@lamsmiley1944 the maps should be way more bigger... like they are in Enlisted or warthunder where planes are a thing Funny enough WW2 planes are WAY faster than any modern BF game at the point can zap the entire map in few secs

[@xYuma]

@@Warfaremachine0095 BF3, BF1 and even V are pretty gritty imo.

[@CloneMarine0]

@@xYumabattlefield 5 is not gritty

[@gkiller23ify]

There’s no way a group of battlefield veterans came up with blue vs red cartoon shooter. Yeah okay

[@Shuganuttz]

But they did.

[@LeadRakFPS]

Oh they did. It’s just they aren’t catering to the OG players. They are catering to the new generation of younger gamers and it’s abundantly clear.

[@clayjohnson3736]

I would assume it just place holders for textures and shading.

[@Timoruz]

@@clayjohnson3736No, there are already normal maps on the textures. This is the intended design.

[@Adamsocas]

throwing talent and money at a project wont always yield good results, unfortunately. there are endless things that could have lead to what this game has become.

[@Jere2777]

I thought the finals was already out?

[@owenseaborne3517]

Jackfrags would sell his souls to the devil quickly and easily lol

[@thesputnikhd6220]

Ditch the cartoon aesthetic, make the maps oriented to the “rush” game mode from BFBC2 and BF3 and im sold

[@Samo_Adams]

Battlefield 2042 + The finals idk

[@IIOver9000]

the worst battlefield? no way lol

[@TeeCee32]

Strangely conscious and almost painful effort by Jack to not mention the Finals in this. Even if the video is his own choice, I can practically hear the teams talking points coming over in this from his engagements with them “no this isn’t the finals! ”. Look at every comment in this video… feels a little tone deaf for giving his honest feedback and goodwill gesture to promote this. 2 ex-Dice veteran teams both making arena gameshow shooters with destruction and battlefield style ‘feel’ gunplay. Right, let’s not discuss that.

[@BigManDaichi]

It's been like this for a few years now, sadly. Hype up the BF2042 updates, then denounce them a week later.

[@TreesOnTheMoon]

The setting is so similar to The Finals that I'm thinking that maybe the setting for these two games was formed when all these people were still working at DICE.

[@LN_997]

I just want Battlefield, I don't want whatever paintball looking shite this is

[@SAINIDE]

After seeing this, I appreciate The Finals even more.......

[@DoomSlayer-ow4jq]

I'm interested. The environments look awesome.

[@theodorkadorno2221]

Funky aesthetic. Don’t love it. But I am craving a Battlefield clone. If the devs calibrate and evolve the art direction, I’d be inclined to try it.

[@jfygt2623]

Gunplay and movement definitely have some Battlefield 4 feels to it. But the aesthetic.... man, I don't know what to say.

[@clashcon11]

Easy skip, wasn't it?

[@diabolicaldoodle]

Was here for the title. Watched a blue AR for 8 seconds. I left..

[@user-ne9sd4ow1o]

Thanks for leaving a comment 😊

[@kevenbalderas2518]

Exactly Jack's point @08:30 lol

[@diabolicaldoodle]

@@kevenbalderas2518yes, that’s exactly my point 🫡

[@WhatDarrenPlays]

Why is it, that we all know what we want from Battlefield, or people trying to emulate it. I feel I don’t even need to explain, we all know what we want, its quite simple, and yet no developer, even ones trying to “compete” with Battlefield, can figure it out. It’s stunning. I hope the game is super successful- but I gurantee 90% of people who play Battlefield or are drawn to it, will have no interest in this.

[@thekraken1173]

Looks like a better finals

[@SKizzleAXE]

But Dice be like: the best we can do is "Don't be sad, this is just how it works out sometimes" 😂😂

[@moritzrossbroich]

The aspect with wishing them luck is where I totally agree. I really want some smaller teams to be competetive in the market and get the big established publishers and studios to rethink their steps in the industry. But sadly I also think that Jack's right about the visual aspects. I found myself quickly judging the game in the first few seconds. I think the basis can be solid and the gunplay looked fun to be fair. But it is also true that many people are tired of the quirky, childish and cartoony side in gaming qurrently and those who like it are already playing CoD, Apex, Fortnite and so on. The more believable games are the ones lacking the most right now, and even though I have no clue about development I would argue that leaning more towards that side would tilt the odds in their favour quite a bit.

[@tank70g]

A mix between battlefield 3 and the bad company series is ALL alot of us wanted

[@codeTopia379]

Nope

[@user-ne9sd4ow1o]

This game looks like neither.. Every game looks like Fortnite nowadays and it's so sterile.

[@tank70g]

@@codeTopia379 mustve not play them to say “nope”

[@flednanders7630]

We were all robbed when they axed making a BC3. Sarge and the boiz are the GOATs.

[@MrMazza4321]

​@tank70g 3 and 4 to be fair mate. I also wouldn't mind seeing a resurgence of something fresh like hard-line but it defo has an Arena feel which in not that into. It did look fine but that's about it imho

[@ForeignFabric]

looks good just applied for the playtest.

[@ArthurSuen91]

that slingshot reminds me BF4 last DLC's primitive stationary Titan drop-pod that charges up before launching a fixed direction.

[@SlipperySalmon94]

I was enjoying everything about this game until I saw the logo and dancing. What is that 😂

[@Verociity]

I'm going to pretend I didn't see that and give this a chance as it's Dice veterans, especially Magnusson.

[@R4T_10RD]

It looks like all of the people with the knowledge of the destruction systems went to Embark to make The Finals.

[@rjjohn2241]

Facts

[@mrLOLsir]

Oof, that UI and the loud outlines on enemies kinda kills it for me.

[@Dr.RojoMcDelly]

The destruction is very cookie cutter.

[@SnyzerTech]

The graphics similar to "The Finals." It cool to see more games are incorporating more destructive realism.

[@nojunk3555]

Looks like a blast! Watching the video gives me that same adrenaline rush I got from some of the old school FPSs. Going to see if I can get into the play test. Thanks for posting.

[@bbcmotd]

Can we have a serious game again like BF1 without shiny heroes and bright visuals?

[@isaaclee1964]

Looks like the Finals got the better destruction environment devs.

[@qO.0p]

Ooof... 😄

[@isaaclee1964]

@@qO.0p am I wrong? Lol finals it actually shatters and breaks as one would expect not just “oh explosion? There goes that whole segment/wall” lol finals did it better, I’ll just go to BF1 or 5 if I want to play battlefield lol

[@jg8306]

@isaaclee1964 The way that The Finals does destruction is not sustainable on a 64+ player server with huge maps. The server, as well as your GPU would implode lol

[@isaaclee1964]

@@jg8306 I doubt that. But it’s great excuse for them, sure

[@qO.0p]

@@isaaclee1964 no no no, i just felt that punch. Brutal but true😅 (I could have formed my comment less open for misunderstandings)

[@ElenaBG3]

When The Finals meet Gadot = Combat Champions

[@blablablablab]

Great feedback for devs - I agree with all your points regarding branding, concept and visual style

[@Muddy.Teabagger]

played the game 2 times now, and its a fun game from what i played. looking forward to playing it more.

[@_JudeTheDude_]

The gameplay is nice, but the style and art is putting me off from going to purchase it. Would really like it if the models were soldiers instead of bright colours.

[@MoritzRossbroich5]

Exactly my thoughts

[@Odyanii]

I can't speak to how it feels but I /really/ don't like the sports arena aesthetic. I don't really like it in The Finals either but at least they leaned hard into it with the goofy gameplay so that it feels consistent. Here it feels like a weird dumbing down of the atmosphere. With so many Battlefield players complaining about the more silly elements of recent entries, I can't imagine this will really be that appealing to them.

[@D3ft0ne]

That revive Icon HAHAHA. Take this EA.

[@OrthodoxNYC]

Mercenaries was so much fun.

[@jcolonna12]

This game doesn’t know what it wants to be. It has two different conflicting themes of realistic military sim mixed with cartoonish fun elements. When he showed footage when he started talking about the cons it seemed like a completely different game compared to the first half of the video. Hopefully they can sort this out because it has potential

[@zayhansdah]

.... ex BF devs - The Finals and Combat Champions

[@Micromation]

I feel like "ex-BF devs" is more of a deterrent than attractor at this point...

[@logandraper]

They seem to have gone halfway between battlefield and the finals visually and I think they'd benefit from picking one or the other and leaning all the way in

[@JorisBax]

I just want to have a proper polished remake of Battlefield 3 and 4. Modern combat with realistic graphics and next gen destruction.

[@Micromation]

Would be nice with someone with a functioning brain redesigned vehicle combat too... I'm so tired of what modern Battlefields have done to tanks, it's so fucking awful... World War 3 had a great thing going in that particular area but game failed for other reasons. Also these games NEED some resemblance of structure... 4man squads with no way to communicate or coordinate with rest of the team sucks ass.

[@MDigitalProductions]

I remember seeing this and thinking it was a knock off finals from the stiff animations, but seeing its yet another Ex Dice dev, it makes much more sense now. Edit: I meant Combat Champions, The finals has super great animations.

[@Mictary]

Is this implying The Finals animations were also stiff?

[@MDigitalProductions]

​@@Mictarysorry should have made clear that Combat Champions 3rd Person animations looked stiff. But the Battlefield DNA is there too.

[@ssgtunknown]

This is not negative, hopefully this is constructive feedback. If you play a lot of VR especially VRChat, creators have a familiar syndrome. Everything is a park or apartment or pub or bar .. and people want to be in fantasy environments, experience dream trips. (im saying this as a dev and a gamer) Your fear of watching the quirky style and battlefield style and being turned off is spot on. It feels like another arena on earth with another objective. Regardless of how good the movement, or weapons, team play etc, it will probably burn fast and bright. People playing it at first like finals, then just moving on as there is nothing special visually. Gray Zones niche is its beauty and variance and planned biomes. They need something fantasy/fantastic/truly different to stick. I wont pretend to know what that is, but they should try different things even if its as simple as monsters vs aliens. I hope this struck the positive tone it was intended. Love your content.

[@playerumpknown]

Feel that

[@Micromation]

The Finals already on decline? Welp, it lasted longer than I anticipated after participating in beta tests....

[@jordankelly4684]

​@@Micromation its never dropped below 300k dau.

[@jordankelly4684]

​@@Micromationif you wanna be a hater, at least get your facts straight

[@Micromation]

@@jordankelly4684 I don't know, that's what I've got out of his message. If you could read you would notice the question martk. I don't care about it in any capacity to do even minimal research, I've got bored of it before the beta ended - there were some nice things about it but ultimately it didn't appeal to me for several reasons. Lack of any sort of meaningful matchmaking being one of them - tired of playing with or against apes.

[@Jack72607]

Fed up with this kind of art style + without vehicles it just feels like Battlefield lite. I just want a good Battlefield that doesn’ t look like fortnite

[@CasasPlays]

The aesthetic reminds me a lot of the Brink game from 2011

[@landusrigsby3776]

Thanks for making the video Jack. There are just so many choices for gamers nowadays and I wish these developers the best. But I'm not a PvP gamer so I'm just fine with games like Battlefield 2, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 2042, Ravenfield, etc where I can play single player against bots. Having a single player vs AI option is the only way developers can get my attention with a shooter.

[@Thememeguy1111]

POV: Jack, I can blow a hole in the wall… and I can walk through it…. Ya…. I can see so

[@Soliye.]

Been doing that in games for decades. Man modern gaming is so backward lmao

[@Thememeguy1111]

@@Soliye. that’s exactly it. Lol

[@falconresistance]

The Finals featuring guns and character models from Battlefield

[@greyjay9314]

looks cool but if they did a more gritty setting instead of the gameshow route I think it would be alot better.

[@TheChrisLouis]

The Finals Lite

[@Joe.0oo]

I love how you can tell that Jack here is DEFINITELY legitimately friends with these devs- very much following this game!!! The gameplay kinda reminds me of BFV oddly enough... can't wait!

[@X-Rated1441]

I thought the old dice devs worked on the finals ?

[@eggtaco5345]

Different ex dice devs

[@Fragger-1]

Correct. Embark is made up of a ton of former EA devs, not just DICE

[@xgtwb6473]

Think how many devs have worked on it over the years at different companies

[@Hinokassaudifan1]

There are others who are leaving.

[@samhyatt4863]

@@Fragger-1some, but it’s still mostly DICE. But both studios have lots of people from all over the industry.

[@justingifford4425]

Yeah the lack of vehicles and the art style are going to make this hard for me to enjoy.

[@mzmknight]

Can definitely see the battlefield elements

[@monkeyboxcube9172]

Reminds me of the finals.

[@babakoosaw]

I like how they put the score board up in places to see who's wining

[@ipawilzon]

gotta change this art style... this looks too much like the finals, xdefiant, etc... plz take out the crazy animations and killstreak logos. its the main thing other than the hitmarkers and hud. the gameplay looks AMAZING!!!

[@Neur0nauT]

I'm 44 this year and a gamer since I was 8yo, I cut my teeth on EGA dos games, VGA, SVGA, Doom LANs and later Quake, Unreal Tournament, and the wave of tactical FPS games thereafter. Raven shield, Ghost Recon, Op Flash, ARMA, Most COD, all BF series...all the things with many other modded titles through the years...Seems like some of these ex DICE devs are ensuring all the good things go full circle for frenetic battles, and I'm here for it! Viva la PCMR!

[@Dragonfury3000]

The Finals is that game

[@Jvmpii]

its giving me the finals and battlefield combined type of vibe.

[@jayjeyteevee]

It’s like the finals but a different game mode

[@wesguitarguy9536]

I actually like the style, and I think they things you didnt like about it play into the style. The maps are arena style, makes me think of quake 3 arena, which is an old stomping ground for me, with a battlefield game play, seems pretty awesome to me. I can't wait to try it.