Examining DoomWorld's Top 10 Infamous Doom Wads

[@kayeplaguedoc9054]

If this list were remade today, UAC Military Nightmare and Terry wads in general deserve a category

[@ThatNukemGuy]

I might look into making a modern list; there seems to be an interest in that.

[@kayeplaguedoc9054]

@ThatNukemGuy Another one, if you can find it, is Doom: Rampage edition. It was hyped for some time and when it eventually came out, it not only was awful but came with a bunch of pirated music and a (for the time) unnecessarily large file size

[@xVallium917]

@@kayeplaguedoc9054 UACMN is a gem 💎

[@EdmondDantes224]

I'm seeing the comments mention "Terry" wads a lot. I'm guessing that's the name of the author?

[@darylcastillo1439]

@@EdmondDantes224 It's a style of troll WAD made popular by the author. They were "popular" in the mid-late noughties.

[@ZykovEddy]

You're supposed to play The Sky May Be with included DEH file, otherwise it's not a proper experience.

[@tylerlondon5052]

This. DEH file is what makes this game so infamous. Totally different game, and I hate when people review it just using the .WAD file. They totally miss the point.

[@czarnakoza9697]

what does the deh do?

[@PinkPandaKatie]

@@czarnakoza9697 Completely changes what all the enemies do. From what I can remember, imps shoot BFG blasts, some enemies will spawn other enemies instead of weapons when they die, it makes one of the imps an unkillable "god" that can walk through walls, one of the guns (I think BFG) is turned into a "blessing gun" that increases enemy health, rockets cause splash damage on every frame so you get continuously repelled and damaged by them. There's a lot more but I'd have to look it up.

[@n00ba14]

Seems like you didn’t install The Sky May Be properly, it breaks if you try to play it in anything that isn’t DOSBOX. In the intended version Zombiemen and Shotgunners are supposed to turn into Pinkies when killed, Imps are supposed to shoot BFG balls, and Plasma Rifles are supposed to shoot an excruciatingly short range, useless tiny projectile that can get you stuck in corners and kill you. Along with a few other tweaks that I can’t remember right now… You also misspelled Slige!

[@ThatNukemGuy]

I had issues getting TSMB to work initially. It didn't come as a WAD but as an application; I had to go hunting to find a fix. In the end I used a fixed version of the WAD, it was the only way I could get it to work!

[@DoomKid]

It seems that fixed wad is actually not "fixed" then, haha. The experience is very unique and worthwhile when played properly in DosBox!

[@thosemerc3113]

@@ThatNukemGuy There's a "The Sky Will Always Be" remaster for ZDoom-based ports.

[@ThatNukemGuy]

@@DoomKid Indeed and if I was to do a full play through, I'd probably do it through Dosbox/ZDoom. This was more giving an overview rather than an in depth experience

[@slightlyserioussam5136]

That second one is basically the predecessor to every Mario Maker 2 level that's just one Bowser and nothing else.

[@RangerQwerty]

My picks for a Modern list Doom 3: Mr. Smiley Head's Safari (1995) The original Doom 1 Iwad dipped in MS Paint and rips levels from Maximum Doom Mock 2: The Speed of Stupid (2003) Unoffical sequel to "Mockery" from the original list UAC Military Nightmare (2008) The first Terry wad Okuplok (2012) One of the hardest slaughter maps ever made Grezzo Due (2012) Extremly Edgy Total Conversion made by an Italian Band Member lilith.pk3 (2017) Mapset showcasing graphical glitches specific to Zdoom Myhouse.pk3 (2023) Spoomy masterpiece of postpostmodernism

[@majamystic256]

what about Plutonia 3: Going to the Surface, that should be on the new Infamous list

[@quonoa]

Lilith definitely deserves it for the whole drama that occurred around it, it's one of the funniest stories in the Doom community imo

[@eightcoins4401]

Teh Speed of Stupid should be disqualified for being intentionally bad

[@eightcoins4401]

The Speed of Stupid honestly is automatically disqualified. Its meant to be bad.

[@DawidPetlicki]

I think brutal doom deserves an honorary mention, at least. "Does this work with brutal doom?"

[@ShallowVA]

Mordeth seems to be missing resources, its supposed to have custom trees and swamp textures. Really sad there never was a second episode, because it seemed to be well on its way to surpassing Plutonia in quality as a partial conversion/expansion!

[@noyes.]

Gothic99 looks like Quake levels

[@RikouHogashi]

Just ahead of its time :)

[@DoomKid]

The gameplay of Gothic99 is inferior to Gothic 1.. not to mention the better half of Dwango or EXEC or any other DM wad.. they look pretty cool but the gameplay suuuux.

[@iusedtomakeoutwithmedusa]

@@DoomKiddidn’t expect to see you here lmao

[@kallekivimaki7825]

​@@iusedtomakeoutwithmedusasame

[@RikouHogashi]

Gothic99 was just simply ahead of its time

[@soundspark]

If you view the infamous list, you'll have to right click and copy the download links because the page was never updated to use https URLs.

[@xVallium917]

its sad to see the "author" of UACLABS went ahead and did what he did if he hadn't he could've made some real good maps today

[@swisscheese-047-c]

if he went to a therapist then none of that would've happened

[@xVallium917]

@@swisscheese-047-c he did there are reports of his and Dylan’s mental health papers

[@thatradiogeek]

The problem with letting anyone make maps for your game is that ANYONE can make maps for your game, regardless of whether or not they have any skill.

[@Rudi4rius]

Good

[@noyes.]

What a hot take

[@thosemerc3113]

Is your hair blue?

[@ThommyofThenn]

odd to see how accepting of crap the replies are. Give me a map made by someone who wants to make something good over something an angry middle schooler made while tripping on cough medicine and gas fumes in the early 2000s

[@thosemerc3113]

@@ThommyofThenn "Give me a map made by someone who wants to make something good over something an angry middle schooler made" Ah yes, I too prefer "good" things over "bad" things, wonder how many of us are there. This isn't about being accepting of bad quality, it's about opposing any type of censorship. If something truly sucks - it will die in obscurity anyway, but when you introduce protocols to actually ban the stuff you find "bad", it just opens up the road to eventual political bans, like the "Thatcher's Techbase" ban that happened recently for "Doom 1 + 2" remaster.

[@Fuuntag]

Been enjoying your content a lot lately, keep it up!

[@ThommyofThenn]

Ive actually been curious about the so called 'columbine map' and it looks exactly like i imagined it would. In 2003, it would have been a macabre artifact but after so many school attacks, the map comes off as the same tier as a fedora wearing, cheap sword wielding edgy kid. Pretty sad how all it took was a couple of decades for that country to descend into that kind of depravity and the utter indifference it's met with. I hate that I was able to type this and the main feeling I had was a strong sense of misanthropy

[@SuperLlama42]

You can't kill every enemy in Nuts conventionally. There's not enough ammo. ZeroMaster, however, proved you can beat it with monster infighting...as long as you spend the longest 6 hours ever doing it (with lag from all the revenant fireballs required, it actually takes 25 days)

[@BrianBdawggg]

Didnt he do it pacifist?

[@SgtTankDempsey]

I was expecting Grezto 2, HDoom, and Moon Man

[@generalesdeath5836]

Most of those didn’t even exist yet in 2003 (10 year DOOM anni).

[@mjc0961]

HDoom is the first thing I thought of to put on the updated list. Gotta have that modern replacement for Imp Encounter

[@dylanpelo]

Those wads are more disturbing and controversial than infamous.

[@SneakyGreninja]

​@@dylanpeloHDoom is far from disturbing

[@ThatNukemGuy]

As said, this is a list from 2003. Those wads wouldn't have existed by this point.

[@oaschloch-reuploads4423]

i saw the thumbnail, i clicked just to check if eric harris' map is there, i was right, i go to bed

[@ThatNukemGuy]

Unfortunately yeah, it was part of the original list

[@noyes.]

Very infamous

[@oaschloch-reuploads4423]

@@ThatNukemGuy I played it, it's really nothing special

[@eightcoins4401]

I love the Sky Maybe personally. Its the only creative trollwad. Way more unique than just spamming offensive texts, meme images and loud sounds.

[@dylanbraamse8365]

That Nukem Guy what game began the term doom clone and what game ended the term doom clone?

[@eightcoins4401]

I personally love Wow too. Its like the Things (1989) of Doom maps. Something so incompetent it loops back to avant garde.

[@Damnerz]

The nukem guy just cooked :)

[@Pingthescribe]

Wasn't The Sky Maybe done ironically? As in intentionally bad?

[@KnoxCarbon]

It was basically a shitpost

[@eightcoins4401]

Its basically the most original trollwad. Terrymappers wish they could be as evil.

[@juanchol21]

if you unzip the sky may be exe you get the wad and the deh files, this is not a joke :)

[@thomassynths]

Modern candidates: Okuplok and Linear Doom

[@ShinoSarna]

TNT being infamous is so funny now that a several free Doom mods get re-released as commercial games. Rekkr, Hedon, Shrine series - to name a few...

[@slushgasm3098]

I don't think those were out in 2003.

[@ShinoSarna]

@@slushgasm3098 My point is exactly how much the landscape has changed. What was the biggest drama ever back then is now completely normal.

[@ikagura]

I'd still say TNT has a lot of flaws by itself. Icarus is way better.

[@ikagura]

@@ShinoSarna And back then we mocked the horse armour before welcoming expensive DLCs.

[@slushgasm3098]

@ShinoSarna ok that eas said kinda flippantly, but all three of those did more than tnt. Charging money for glorified map packs that I've seen very few people have much positive things to say over got off easy and they should have got more shit. Lekker, Hedon, and the shrine series replaced all assets and used their own art style....much more of the vein of heretic and hexen which sadly get forgotten about.

[@RikouHogashi]

the idea of calling the NUTS WADs 1 and 3 infamous is rather silly NUTS 2 on the other hand sure id count that 1 and 3 are rather iconic and a proof of concept imho

[@slightlyserioussam5136]

It is interesting how a few of the wads are like tamer versions of later, much more infamous mods, like Imp encounter->HDoom, and UACLabs-> Columbine Doom 2.

[@DoomKid]

Columbine Doom 2? Is that one of those weird "fan" wads?

[@RangerQwerty]

According to it's Archive reuploader, it might be from 4chan in 2014, whether it was made as an endorsement of Eric and Dylan or just a scarily dedicated troll is anyone's guess.

[@eightcoins4401]

@@RangerQwerty 90% of the time something like that is only made to piss off people.

[@eightcoins4401]

I dont know if you can count imp encounter since its an animation made with the Deatchmatch cam and not actually playable.

[@Kensuke0987]

I think there should be an actual WAD in place of SLIGE. It's like including Terry WADs into the list when you mean all Terry WADs. You could add SLIGE as a special mention and then make a whole video about level generators later. wait, there's only 10 timestamps and one of them is the intro. I skipped the ones I already know about but how is this a list of 10 WADs?

[@Ensign_games]

my favorate one in the list is "Imp Encounter" I know I am immature

[@TheTimmynatoRex]

Wait until you hear about the now-gone Worst Wad cacoward, released not long after this list.

[@ikagura]

Why is this gone?

[@TheTimmynatoRex]

@@ikagura Not gone, more like discontinued. Anyways, it was removed because people were intentionally making wads with the intention of getting that award, if you can call it that.

[@ikagura]

Honestly I think that a mid tier Slaughter wad could get into this.

[@RikouHogashi]

well I'm glad SLIGE got quite the successor also shouldn't Return to Saturn X just as infamous as Mordeth in matters of incompletion?

[@ThatNukemGuy]

As said at the start of the video, this list was from 2003/4ish so it doesn't include a lot of the newer Doom wads

[@RikouHogashi]

@@ThatNukemGuy Saturn X i thought was quite old as well but ok

[@ThatNukemGuy]

@@RikouHogashi The plan is to do an updated list and include more recent ones in the mix. It's definitely something I can add to my research pile!

[@RikouHogashi]

@@ThatNukemGuy It was my mistake its all good

[@EdmondDantes224]

I've never even heard of the first nine Return to Saturns, how did it get up to 10 entries?

[@ShinoSarna]

New one would have to include Moon Man Doom.

[@Ganondorfdude11]

If the list were made today, Grezzo 2 (psychedelic and extremely blasphemous Italian total conversion mod where you travel back in time to kill Jesus) would be on the list.

[@dominusEternal]

But the gun is good

[@EdmondDantes224]

THE GUN IS GOOD!

[@DoomKid]

The gun is good!!

[@RangerQwerty]

I like the gun

[@AlyphRat]

Peanuts... is evil!

[@StevenAyy86]

Whats the deal with Citadel at the Edge of Tomorrow?

[@mikeywest2007]

In regards to " can you kill everything in Nuts" yes Zero Master did it and has uploaded a vid on his channel......and will never play the level ever again

[@eightcoins4401]

I think Slige is more so meant to show off amateur mistakes as somewhat educational tool than it being straight up awful.

[@roberto1519]

It's a bit funny, in a strange way, the remarks on UAC labs, the death animations being a bit more gory, specially comparing how lame it is to what Brutal DOOM brought to the table. I mean, it's as violent and gory as it can be, and the creator isn't involved in anything out of the ordinary, as far as I can tell.

[@JoLiKMC]

Uuuuuhh… I don't think you played _The Sky May Be_ as intended. It a lot more of a wild time if you use the _DeHackEd_ file that comes with. I actually played through it under _DOSBox,_ and it was freaking wild. (But still kind of a bit kick-post.)

[@ThatNukemGuy]

This was pointed out by a few people. Unfortunately the wad as was downloaded wouldn't work, I had to sue a dehacked version of the wad so I could capture footage. Ideally in future I can fix that.

[@JoLiKMC]

I did some testing with source ports back when I was messing with this, and I was surprised to find that _Chocolate Doom_ couldn't run it as intended. I think _Crispy Doom_ could, though. I wish I could remember. Ah, well.

[@BeegDongLeFleur]

What about Grezzo? Oh we don't talk about that.

[@eightcoins4401]

This list way predates Grezzo

[@METAL1ON]

Nuts on the series x took me 3 goes.

[@wadmodderschalton5763]

Mordeth is pretty much the Duke Nukem Forever of Doom WADs and Mordeth is really nothing more than a modern Feature Creep.

[@mjc0961]

No it's not. Duke Nukem Forever actually released.

[@wadmodderschalton5763]

​@@mjc0961it's because episode 2 & 3 still haven't released, Mordeth himself is the George Broussard of the Doom community.

[@majamystic256]

alright, what's coming first? - Mordeth E2-E3 - Back to Saturn X E3 - Shores of ZDoom - Community Chest 5 - Scythe X E3 and beyond - Final Doom the Way ID Did - Half Life 3 (not doom but i'm throwing it in as a bonus)

[@wadmodderschalton5763]

@@majamystic256 Maybe even Doom X

[@kingbaby8761]

No "Moon Man Doom" or "HDoom" lol? I guess those are kinda just re-skins.

[@eightcoins4401]

I think wads only qualify for this once they got original levels.

[@yusukeelric]

You didn't mention Mr Smiling head safari, lets enumerate this game crimes. A little history. somewhere right around when Doom 2 released, a game called Doom 3 , mr smiley head safari came out, a mod for DOOM 1, that... pretty much stole a lot... Stole music, by picking midis from websites , it has star wars themes, The exorcist, a beverly hills cop. Stole levels, many of wich would later appear in the maximum doom collection , filled them with extra enemies with no rhyme or reason and called it a day. Stole Levels from DOOm,. yeah, 2 or 3 levels from OG doom are in here , filled with more enemies for no reason STOLE DOOM WAD. this was a commercial release, that came with a modified Doom wa instead of a custom wad or pk3 to work with the OG WAD. To the point this game release was forbidden for some time until another version With a proper custom wad to work with the original was made I played it as a kid. I just hjad Doom 1, 2 and 3 ... in 96. And interesting change in art direction for this third part where your BFG is a chicken that shoots Eggs. Due to the ridiculous ammount of enemies, This mod was extremely hard, and considering this was DOOM 1, most of the stages were mowing down hordes with the regular shotgun, because most levels had not a lot of missiles and not a lot of plasma. Its random nonsense all over the place, has Mortal Kombat, beavis and butthead and when you die you get " game over man" from Aliens. Barney the dinosaur is the pinkies. A blue Ranger throwing beer bottles, And all the weapons are remade in paint, some are now different weapons.

[@frankc9356]

been done to death

[@JunGaGotoku]

hdoom