Examining "So Bad It's Good" Music (The Shaggs, Corey Feldman, Metallica, & Farrah Abraham)

In this month’s case study, I examine the phenomenon of ironically watching terrible movies like The Room and Birdemic, and see if the same principles can apply to music (and why they do/don’t). The albums discussed included Corey Feldman’s Angelic 2 The Core, Lou Reed & Metallica’s Lulu, Farrah Abraham’s My Teenage Dream Ended, and the Shaggs’ Philosophy of the World.
Do you agree? Disagree? Should I just leave my stupid comments in my pocket? Let me know in the comments below!
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Beaumont-Thomas, Ben. “David Bowie: Lou Reed's Masterpiece Is Metallica Collaboration Lulu.” The Guardian, Guardian News and Media, 20 Apr. 2015, www.theguardian.com/music/2015/apr/20/david-bowie-lou-reed-masterpiece-metallica-lulu.
Captain Beefheart and his Magic Band. “Bills Corpse.” Trout Mask Replica, 1969.
Cooper, Duncan. “Farrah Abraham's Pop Music Should Make Her an Avant-Garde Icon.” The FADER, 21 Nov. 2017, www.thefader.com/2017/11/21/farrah-abraham-album-producer-interview.
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Corey Feldman. “Angelic 2 The Core.” Angelic 2 The Core: Angelic Funkadelic/Angelic Rockadelic. CiFi Records. 2016
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Farrah Abraham. "After Prom." My Teenage Dream Ended, 2011.
Farrah Abraham. "On My Own." My Teenage Dream Ended, 2011.
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Nguyen, James, director. Birdemic: Shock & Terror. Moviehead Pictures, 2011.
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“The Shaggs at Solid Sound Festival 2017.” KZbin, uploaded by Ringo Zingg, 6 September 2017. • The Shaggs at Solid So...
The Shaggs. “My Pal Foot Foot.” Philosophy of the World, 1969.
The Shaggs. “Philosophy of the World.” Philosophy of the World, 1969.
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[@MicTheSnare]

Just made a follow-up to this video, featuring Florence Foster Jenkins, Wesley Willis, Viper, William Shatner, and IceJJFish! Check it out here! kzbin.info/www/bejne/sGPNnK2lrNhooLc

[@Angelica-gb7ii]

MicTheSnare Oh god, as soon as I saw Florence Foster Jenkins I immediately thought "this is gonna be good"

[@leejohnstone3051]

William Shatner's version of Rocket Man is so bad it's good. And now it's a classic

[@loveofvengeance819]

You should check out tiny moving parts. The lyrics are absolutely ridiculous

[@PapaEmeritus_4evr]

@@loveofvengeance819 Where? 👍 Is that the name of a song?

[@amandamears1916]

The personal anecdote about The Room was a good share. That made you instantly relatable and likeable.Keep up the great s.p. cuz id love for your channel succeed 👍

[@Mortiis558]

While The Shaggs were recording, the audio engineers were perplexed as the girls would stop playing all the sudden claiming one of the girls “had messed up” leaving the engineers to wonder how they knew and what had been messed up.

[@williamgeorgefraser]

They knew they had messed up when they all played in tune. With one guitar massively out of tune, that took one hell of a "mess up".

[@SuperIwatch]

I think that's the funniest thing I've read all month.

[@betelrock5355]

I found them from a guy covering the lead guitar part for my pal foot foot and I was blown away at how fucking hard it would be to recreate, it's so far from functional harmony, they are a truly unique and original band. I do find it a sad story especially when they hear their recordings for the first time and are horrified by how it sounded

[@nashvillain171]

*"...all the sudden..."* SMH

[@betelrock5355]

@@nashvillain171 oh my, thank God you noticed he forgot the of, so important you should get a prize for world's most brilliant noticer of the lack of an of. My hat is off to you sir, please say hi to Jesus when you arrive in heaven

[@clickastlyindustries3033]

[Verse 1: George Harrison] If you're listening to this song You may think the chords are going wrong But they're not We just wrote it like that

[@Syfoll]

I was always angry that they didn't put Only a Northern Song on Sgt Pepper. It's very bizarre and a bit over the top, but much better than a lot of the tracks that ended up on it.

[@estebanb7166]

@@Syfoll That's what got me into the Beatles. I thought they were dad rock until I heard that. Sheesh.

[@Syfoll]

@@estebanb7166 Honestly, The Beatles are the closest thing to a "best band ever". They are literally where high and low art meet.

[@estebanb7166]

@@Syfoll I couldn't agree more. Plus, the songs age remarkably well.

[@Syfoll]

@@estebanb7166 They were really something. They aren't even my favourite artists, and yet I can find so many positives about them.

[@DaarthPingas]

i think david bowie calling "lulu" lou reed's best work is possibly the most incredibly back handed compliment in music history

[@magicjackm]

damn, you'd need two hands for that one

[@zytoniczuck9700]

@@magicjackm or paws? Ammirite cause hes a dog get it?

[@deathstar754]

@@zytoniczuck9700 wtf man

[@TheEvanRoweShow]

I mean Transformer is basically a Bowie album and I’d say that’s probably Lou’s best

[@TheEvanRoweShow]

Actually what am I saying, Berlin is his nest

[@teamyordle23]

Farrah Abram recorded her vocals on the album without listening to the music? That's experimental as heck. Even Death Grips can't touch that.

[@seedlesswatermelon417]

Death Grips are a bunch of posers, Farrah Abraham is the true pinnacle of experimental music.

[@Idonotsa49]

Imagine thinking Death Grips are extremely experimental

[@FalconHelmini]

True, Death Grips isnt that experimental...but you still sound like an asshole

[@iwds5028]

xfritz5375 they literally used a distorted sneeze as a sample lmao

[@jacklfitz]

@@Idonotsa49 Listen to something like Gmail and the Restraining Order and come back to me

[@fakeangel9641]

The Shaggs didn't actually have music lessons... their father just said "go do music." It's actually such a compelling album, because of what the album represents. Young girls forced into the world of music by their abusive father, and the cynical outlook that you would have on the world from experiencing such things. If you analyze the lyrics themselves, they are a lot more interesting than you would think of. It's sound is so interesting too, and I understand fully why Kurt Cobain thought so highly of the album.

[@standard-carrier-wo-chan]

It's like looking at a first iteration of a self-learning AI that was just given the basics of music theory (with ZERO actual composed music) and then forced to generate songs based on that data alone. Literally a group of girls trying to make music without ever knowing music. Of course, I don't condone nor defend the very process of how The Shaggs as a band was made, but like... it's eeriely beautiful.

[@Melissa0774]

Their story would make such a great idea for a movie.

[@urbaneblobfish]

@@Melissa0774There’s an off broadway musical about their lives! It mixes more traditional musical numbers with the Shaggs music from the album to show the disconnect between how they thought they would sound vs how they sounded. It’s really interesting.

[@raelene101]

Also they were forbidden to listen to any pop music on the radio, and no TV. Only Christian hymns. An incredible social experiment. They had no boundaries with their songwriting. Most writers are limited by the amount of chords and progressions they knew. These girls had guitars thrown at them, and were told to play. Fkn incredible result.

[@tommy2capa]

My teenage dream ended is an incredibly emotional album for me tbh. Its a desperate money grab by someone who was desperate for money and it SOUNDS like it. People have expressed pure desperation more uhhhhh pleasingly in other albums but this is a VERY honest reflection of pain

[@berkeleyisonline160]

that album is like having a panic attack at a nightclub, desperately crying and hyperventilating while upbeat music blasts in your ears and makes you unable to hear your own thoughts

[@JLynnEchelon]

Honestly, her singing with that autotune sounds like a panic attack to me.

[@smurfette_blues7922]

Good review.

[@AH-cu1kj]

I don't know...it sounds very creepy IMO...not sure if it was intentional or not...

[@azrael5493]

@@AH-cu1kj it wasn't but the fact that it makes you feel that way makes it a masterpiece

[@Timliu92]

The Shaggs reminds me of a kid's painting - technically all over the place but with an innocent and strange charm to it that makes you want to listen more and more.

[@RYx222]

Dont normally listen to paintings mate.

[@MrJoeybabe25]

I love the Shaggs because they were, to me, girls, really, honestly, being as authentic as they could. This is what they are and they were not ashamed of it. Like Yoko Ono, that in itself is a breath of fresh air compared to a lot of the heavily worked and edited stuff we hear. They were what they were.

[@dr.aisaitl7439]

I hate to be shitty but it is not innocent, they were forced by a terribly abusive and psychotic father to make that album. The dad took them out of school and made them rehearse their songs in a locked basement for 12 hours a day "Parents are the ones who will always understand . Parents are the ones who really care" Come on, the album is really eerie after you learn the back story.

[@scottlapier4797]

@@RYx222 you're not trying hard enough

[@MrJoeybabe25]

@@dr.aisaitl7439 I understand what you're saying, and perhaps you're right. I think the music, whatever they went through to get there, reflects their soul. Look at the hell Brian Wilson went through with HIS father.

[@paragraphs7235]

that farrah abraham album is genuinely terrifying. there's just something so eerie and disturbing and just off about it

[@Assault_Butter_Knife]

This is what you hear on repeat after death as you are stuck in purgatory for the rest of eternity

[@ctrip6668]

I agree....you can tell she was always mentally out of bounds. Her mother was a total narcissist/sociopath and she passed this sickness to her daughter who then most likely had it come out earlier and heavier than it might have manifested from the trauma of losing a young love whom she also had a baby with.....Good Lord. Then the whole short lived porn career......I definitely feel like those songs are similiar to hearing child abuse in a musical form. Pure trauma. I don't believe she did it bc she wanted to be a musician, she did it for her kid or bc her manager/handler wanted her to. A show like Teen Mom is not a great place to start a career. I really have always felt for this woman....and though she scares me....I hope she gets some peace of mind in this life.

[@tylerstravis]

I've been listening to it a couple of times a year since it came out just to see if I can make more sense of that horror show... I can't.

[@D0M0C0RE]

TURN IT OFFFFF

[@Journey_to_who_knows]

Sounds like a malfunctioning super Ai

[@is-be6725]

My Pal Foot Foot is about a double amputee feral cat that went missing. I love it!

[@jameshafner1442]

Wonder if she ever found the cat...

[@protato5896]

James Hafner The cat was never found, but they put a happy ending to the song.

[@jackedmonston4909]

@@jameshafner1442 That cat was missing 2 of his 4 feet. That cat was gone 😂

[@Ricardo-cl3vs]

@@jackedmonston4909 I once had a dog with no legs. I gave him no name. When I called him he didn't come anyway...

[@bennymarshall1320]

Wait, the two legged cat went missing?

[@音姫soundprincess]

the best thing about the shaggs is that the prophecy actually became true

[@Dad.................]

Say what you will about grandma Wiggins, she was one hell of a fortune teller

[@GVanArsdale]

This. I keep thinking about it. It's almost like a paradoxical time loop. They became a popular band in the future because the dad was convinced it would happen through a past prophecy. Almost as though the sheer belief manifested reality. I think this type of thing is described as an egregore; a thoughtform made wholely physical through thought and belief...

[@edcampbell9658]

this is what we in the industry refer to as "the self-fulfilling-prophecy equation". see also- "the-rebirth-of-the-Phoenix-child syndrome ". I mean, c'mon...

[@ManinTidyWhities]

I'd give Lulu a 12 out of 10. It makes me feel like a table at the end of the album

[@sere7000]

I agree with you, the album sounds like some underground punk stuff and I dig it

[@NeonBeeCat]

The album is shit, but the memes are lit.

[@cheesecakelasagna]

I felt this.

[@_CNT_]

It really makes you feel like the table

[@nate9962]

CNT damnit I was just about to comment that

[@LezbeOswald]

the Shaggs, in their 60s or 70s, playing their songs exactly how they recorded decades ago, still reading off sheet music, while a backing band has to legitimately play the pisspoor instrumentals in front of a crowd of people, is no shot one of the funniest things i've ever seen in my life

[@Mitchthemysteryman]

I hear Tommy Wiseau is making a musical out of the Room. Quick! Somebody call The Shaggs!!!

[@atimnie]

It has to be a colab with The Legendary Stardust Cowboy.

[@cassidy5748]

My mind and body is Ready

[@louisbrody582]

cassidy no it’s not lol

[@BlueGrenadeTom]

Aw - I wanted to hear them make a pseudo-operatic song out of "YOU’RE TEARING ME APART, LISA!!!"

[@EclecticoIconoclasta]

Or Cory Feldman. Imagine an actual collab between Tommy and Cory. That will be the greatest shit ever

[@cjstardust4182]

The Room and Angelic 2 The Core are both 90 minutes long. I played them at the At time once and it synced up pretty well honestly. It was hilariously awful.

[@Bobby3OOO]

CJ Stardust Drag Queen Can we be best friends? How are all of us randomly into these seemingly unrelated albums and movies?

[@cjstardust4182]

Bobby3OOO I’ve seen The Room 12 times and listened to Angelic 2 The Core at least 3 times. Grant Macdonald also makes some amazing So Bad Its Good Music. Ram Ranch is a classic

[@creamithmanning2632]

*IS THIS THE BEST A MAN CAN GET?*

[@ricochetpig]

CJ Stardust Drag Queen 😂 you probably opened a portal to another dimension!

[@squigin3380]

Holy shit I'm going to try this one day. I love The Room and this album is awful. Got to very briefly meet Gregg Sestero at my old job for Alamo Drafthouse Cinema, guy is super nice, he came through twice while I was there, I just wish we had gotten Tommy there or both of them. I talked to the show coordinator and they tried to get Tommy in the past but he's too difficult to work with they said lmao.

[@nerdude360]

Farrah Abraham inspired Charli XCX's music and the unique sound of 100 Gecs, i think she deserves a lot of credit for creating the pop sound of the future, essentially.

[@blueberrymuffin_144]

Maybe, but Charli and 100 gecs are on tune and sound good. Farrah did it by accident essentially. But I agree, with some reworking it could be a good record.

[@mikenike4266]

i just saw this video rn and i was like wait this farrah abraham kinda hits sounds like hyperpop

[@nerdude360]

@@mikenike4266 lmao, RIGHT? like, okay, let's say Charli and Gecs never have even listened to farrah abraham, then that just makes her a visionary if the future, purposeful or not. She created a whole genre without knowing. By the way, the EXACT thing happened with Viper, he created cloud rap, but he was really obscure at the time, so it's doubtful that the pioneers of cloud rap took note of him, instead it's more like he just accidentally pioneered the genre. Both are crazy visionary's!!

[@Nomoneynohamburger]

@@blueberrymuffin_144 100 gecs is fucking horrible my dude lol

[@nerdude360]

@@Nomoneynohamburger tf are you doing watching a video like this if you don't like gecs lmao

[@snelleplanga3894]

I love how the Shaggs' drummer @12:21 has to go full Neil Peart-mode in order to mimic the totally incoherent stick-slapping on the original song

[@josephancion2190]

The birdemic scene sounds like a skit we would have to write and act out for english class in France.

[@TheAllAroundMan]

Ha ha ha What a story Mark

[@dusk565]

That Birdemic scene sums up exactly how well I communicate with girls. It's bang on.

[@antwan867]

It's hilarious that you do that in your country as well, I remember making those terrible video shorts for Spanish lol

[@Jacob-lv6zy]

Whats so funny is that the director WANTED them to speak in his ”broken vietnamese english” way and the actors just kept trying to say to him that people just does not generally speak this way, but he would not have it any other way ;D

[@klaraellestad6528]

My Teenage Dream Ended is haunting af and I actually kinda like it. It leaves me with a feeling of unease and despair

[@faro8784]

It’s so cold and robotic yet terrifyingly intimate and graphic.....i will admit that that is kinda compelling

[@Kyriebby]

As a huge fan of PC Music, there’s something I really admire about the Farrah Abraham album.

[@estebanb7166]

Right. She's a misunderstood genius. You should pay for a cam show and discuss it with her.

[@ilovedeathendme4074]

Farrah Abraham invented pc music.

[@firstnamelastname364]

what's PC music? (gonna look it up)

[@SaltyPretzel0]

there would be no hannah diamond without farrah abraham

[@miserirken]

The Hyperpop Queen

[@277southtombob]

I have listened to the Shaggs album and there’s definitely something interesting about listening to music that is completely not influenced by any popular music. Despite the pitch and timing being unconventional it’s consistent throughout the album. It’s nearly like taking people that never heard western music and giving them instruments to see what they play.

[@LEFT4BASS]

I read in a comment somewhere that the Shaggs actually stopped recording at some parts saying they made a mistake, and the sounds engineers were confused how they could tell.

[@Seth9809]

?

[@totallyfrozen]

Maybe they were talking about the whole experience. LOL! Looked around saw they were in a recording studio and said “we made a mistake”. Ha ha!!

[@EverybodyBurts]

This is the heart of the matter. Those girls had a musical language of their own. I've transcribed their stuff. It's weird, but it's awesome and has it's inner logic.

[@ilyaszondi8655]

The Shaggs Supposedly had sheet music for what was played on the album and could repeat it. I've heard weirder.

[@ilyaszondi8655]

Oops, commented halfway through the video. AGAIN.

[@Iskalla]

Oh hi mark. How can three simple words have such a profound impact on the world, unifying so many.

[@manbeast]

Iskalla because so many people have aspergers. no normal person get unified but such rediculousness.

[@geotechms]

You should check out CinFix video on this exact scene, it really opened my eyes to the movie

[@abigaildelaney7653]

I’ve always thought of Corey Feldman’s album as a cry for help. Knowing all the stuff he’s been put through and all the things that have happened to him, I wouldn’t be surprised if he made this album during some sort of identity crisis.

[@richw.6296]

Dude, I was able to digest and appreciate your view, but I cannot get over that shirt collar. If you are ever in my area, I invite you over for an ironing symposium.

[@bekahnavarro]

I'm glad I didn't see your comment until the end. I can't unsee the collar now.

[@Mumblejumby]

Unironically the Farah album is the one that is scary. Don't get why people found it comfy

[@miserirken]

Even if i can see the appeal in it (and yeah it has some appeal) i wouldn't call it _comfy_ at all. It's actually unnerving...

[@uwnbaw]

After listening to new Daughters and Angst Hase Pfaffer Hase I think you'll be immune to emotion

[@TheMCzorro]

Maybe that is the charm. Horror exists as a genre because there are people who find enjoyment in being scared

[@miserirken]

@@uwnbaw Oh boy _You Won't Get What You Want_ surely has aged in an interesting way... Now that we know the kind of actual monster Lex is, that album feels more soulless and problematic. i still love it, but damn it's extremely crushing, but that's the point i guess...

[@ChristopherRoss.]

@@miserirken Sorry to resurrect a dead thread, but I'm not sure what you mean by saying Lex is a monster. Do you have a link/source/summery of the goings on?

[@dahu2k]

Not many people can say they had their first kiss to "The Room". You, my friend, are the chosen one. Chosen for what? That is for you to discover.

[@JimJWalker]

The Shaggs should be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

[@laycebug3260]

I mean, philosophy of the world is literally one of kurt cobains favorite albums 😂

[@oceanmachine1906]

@@laycebug3260 and one of Zappa's too

[@Rekko82]

They are much better than Green Day, so yeah!

[@rodneydolman1]

How dose one nominate them

[@iampob]

Hall of Lame

[@losum]

Just recently I found my old "Philosophy of the World" CD and it made me remember the times I used to listen to it with an old friend. The experience was pretty much the same we had with The Room: at first, you don't understand what's happening. Then, as time goes by, something clicks inside your mind and, all of a sudden, confusion turns into sheer love. Oh yeah, in Gilmore Girls Jess gives Rori a copy of The Philosophy of The World. I knew this useless trivia would be useful someday.

[@leokerz]

The Shaggs album is folk at its highest degree

[@farmersonlydotkong]

This kind of music is also known as Outsider music, meaning they are self taught or have little to no traditional understanding of writing it. It's a fantastic source of genuine, eccentric music. You can find more on the albums/novels 'Songs In The Key Of Z', which is a compilation of songs like The Shaggs, and Daniel Johnston. Both of whom Kurt Kobain enjoyed, and for good reason. Great video! Hope to see more videos like this.

[@yncasasue9721]

Not Lulu though.

[@WolfHreda]

I unironically love Lulu. The music isn't great (sorry, Metallica), but Lou Reed's poetry is biting, unrelenting, and deep. Edit: I would have paid money to see Lou Reed fight Lars Ulrich in the street.

[@Mortiis558]

Wolf Hreda Edit: I would have paid good money to see Lars get his ass handed to him by a senior. Fixed it for you! Heh

[@KomodoTheCashew]

Same. I love bits of it, like The View and Pumping Blood feel like Lou Reed's giving a dark sermon with his vocal style and the slow guitars. It's not life changing or anything but I've definitely heard worse from Metallica and Lou Reed.

[@oceanmachine1906]

Any single Lou Reed song is better than Metallica's entire career

[@theinternpianist1439]

@@oceanmachine1906 Don't ever do acid again

[@mantislake4141]

Not planning on buying or really even listening but love poetry being described as "unrelenting". Not sure what Reed could've even said that would qualify.

[@ConvincingPeople]

Honestly, listening to My Teenage Dream Ended reminded me in places of Jarboe's electronic-leaning material like Beautiful People Ltd or her song "Volcano" off of Swans' Soundtracks for the Blind, where you have these hazy psychedelic dance beats and uncomfortably intimate vocals with really strange lyrics that often sound like they were recorded on a four-track in a closet. It's like being at a party and having somebody you don't know lean in real close and tell you their darkest secrets while club music blares around you. And I dig the fuck out of that.

[@dr.aisaitl7439]

That song is fucked, I hate it

[@lylajean100]

hell yes

[@user-fs1lc2cj5s]

wow great comparison, never thought about that.

[@mattmatt1302]

oh yes, nothing says "I love my daughter" like an album that screams "MY LIFE IS RUINED"

[@Bryan-ce6bo]

When Metallica’s good, they get really really good. When they’re bad, they get really really bad. Edit: Farrah Abraham is unironically good Edit: Lulu is actually Metallica’s best album and Lou Reed is a genius and my idol

[@shadowstealer5]

What is your profile picture from

[@Bryan-ce6bo]

B

[@EclecticoIconoclasta]

After the Black album Metallica has mostly been bad. After the Load albums they have gone as far as having straight crazy moments. Their latest poop is their performance with Lady Gaga. I couldn´t stand even 30 seconds of it on video

[@davidultratype7598]

@@EclecticoIconoclasta they lost it after Pasture of Muppets... I'd moved onto Napalm Death and the whole Grindcore and Death Metal scene in the late 80's. Still into it these days along with brutal electronica, like Ultraviolence...

[@Bryan-ce6bo]

Nobody hates Metallica more than Metallica fans

[@Mitchthemysteryman]

Honestly, watching them perform it as older women who never would've expected this makes it even funnier! Bless their souls, they seem so wholesome!

[@Scyllax]

I first heard The Shaggs in 1980. It was the “Foot-Foot” song.

[@NightBazaar]

I'm sorry to hear about that. It must've have been very painful. 😄

[@xenophagia]

"The St. Anger Snare of hi-hats" 😂

[@nr655321]

Lars is also known as King 'Klong Klong'

[@jackal59]

Yeah. Just like you, he did a clever job of repeating what others have said.

[@baldmitzvah]

Farrah Abraham’s “My Teenage Dream Ended” is genuinely one of my favorite albums ever made.

[@MrBigcityal]

As far as I can tell the Shaggs made up their songs as they went along. The drumming is insane.

[@telexghoulie]

Al Mullen oh wow are the shaggs a jam band

[@utkurgn8598]

E

[@MasterNcognito]

Tool’s Danny Carey has got nothing on the drumming in The Philosophy of the World.

[@CaptainAmaziiing]

The crazy part is that they would play it this way every time. That's really how the song goes. It was reproducible. I can play guitar pretty well, but it'd take a fundamental reassessment of everything I 'know' about music to be able to play the Shaggs.

[@georgeiscooking.1152]

Insanely good!

[@thetreblerebel]

Birdemic looks a CD ROM game on 3d0

[@thenameplus431]

Stevie Jo r/rareinsults

[@apexone5502]

😂😂😂

[@sigma-j5x4c]

I completely forgot about the 3d0 :D

[@hystericallover5989]

Dylan Dwane r/ihavereddit

[@InkfinityOkamix3]

Plumbers Don’t Wear Ties, a masterpiece

[@kissingerd]

The first time I heard the shaggs I was horrified and laughed, but now I actually love them. They totally broke the codes of music and rebelled against their dad and it’s so different, it’s very cool.

[@cosmikronic9353]

9:40 literally the riff to Hey There Delilah

[@Snake_2066]

Cosmikronic Not “literally”, but it is close. They sneak in one or two extra strums in there, but if they didn’t it would be identical save for the tempo.

[@weenytoosmol5082]

You’re a fucking genius omg

[@anthony4513]

Solid Snake1019 alright genius it’s a joke

[@Sighdafekt]

Cosmikronic yooooo wtf lmaoo

[@Daedrothification]

I KNEW IT FUCKING SOUNDED FAMILIAR

[@vvvalesmith]

Holy shit this video is excellent man, I was hooked the whole time & your editing is really stellar, great work dude 🙏

[@MicTheSnare]

Hey thanks, I'm happy to hear you enjoyed it!

[@VerboseDeBose]

There’s parts of Philosophy of the World that make me tear up. Why Do I Feel is such a raw piece of music. The title track has this kinda bittersweet acceptance of the way things are. It’s almost jarringly genuine. Who Are Parents is the only song I enjoy for reasons beyond intended. It’s a song about parents knowing best written by girls who were actively being abused by their parent. It’s a gut punch when heard in that context.

[@michaelagnew9860]

Philosophy of the World is my favorite album of all time - and not at all ironically. Let go of your expectations of what music should be and just go along for the ride. There is a charm there that is absolutely captivating. I listen to it whenever I just want to feel good. It's brilliant.

[@cyandinomashups]

I guess technically The Shaggs were successful if we're talking about them.

[@cirava]

“With Lou challenging Lars Ulrich to a street fight during a heated session.” Is it because he couldn’t keep the tempo?

[@notyetskeletal4809]

Friday- Rebecca Black. Love it. Also, at music school a guy played one note on a guitar solo and froze. I loved it. Told him I genuinely enjoyed the experience. This was 17 years ago and obviously memorable.

[@BosmanHa]

@Real Donald Trump She actually got hot dude

[@a.flores6626]

Actually her newer stuff isn't terrible. And she got pretty cute.

[@marshallemmet1366]

Oh my god... reminds me of the scene in mob psycho, where he is about to give a speech, takes a breath, and then just stands in their in silence for 15 minutes.

[@bloop9042]

Only a few months after I discovered the shaggs I went to a Neutral Milk Hotel concert and sense the shaggs originate close to where I live NMH had them on as the opening band without telling anyone. They even made up a fake band on the website to surprise people. I smoked a joint before going into the venue so I couldn’t believe it at first, I thought it was just a joke or a cover or something but it became obvious it was actually them..I wish I had been a little older or sober cause that was probably one of the coolest concerts I will ever go to and I can’t remember it super well :/

[@totallyfrozen]

Izzy That’s why they say “only dopes use dope”. 👎🏻

[@NightBazaar]

Everything sounds impressive when you're stoned. Reminds me of Peter and Lois at the talent show. 😆 kzbin.info/www/bejne/sJCZoWOAmNOmq5Y

[@DorionGish]

Wow water story Mark!

[@auxiekitty]

unironically i love my teenage dream ended and i wish more artists would push themselves out of the comfortable boundaries of music. it's such a surreal piece, with the perfect beats produced with the mood of the song in mind and then farrah having no idea how to sing to music, it made something that sounds like nothing else in this world. the producer said he tried his best to tune farrah's voice to the music, but there's only so much you can do with auto tune. the uncomfortable and robotic vocal delivery combined with the horrific, depressing lyrics, is such a jarring juxtaposition. it's just incredible

[@Giganfan2k1]

The Shaggs are fucking incredible. My orchestra conductor played some of their tracks with John Cage, Weasley Willis, and Daniel Johnston. The Shaggs have elements of a shifting polyrythem, and atonality that they keep consistently through the entire album. So either they were super consistent with their horrible playing across diffrent songs or, it was intentional. Much like Cage's "In the Name of the Holocaust", "Ophelia", or Paul Heindmeth's Five Pieces. Most outsider music like Peter Guiterez, Willis, and Daniel Johnston have an intangeable quality that makes them a joy to listen too. Such as "True Love Will Find you In the End" by Daniel Johnston. My personal theory, The Shaggs tried to derail their own album. The father didn't have much input or left up the playing to them. So instead of trying they tried to suck and pulled out all the stops. Thanks for the analysis. Comment, liked, subbed.

[@bigballerbenji7217]

Wtf are you on? So they are better than most artists? No x4000000

[@notfound-rr6ph]

X- Burglar I mean, if they’re better than the Beatles.

[@hubblebublumbubwub5215]

Check out Harry Merry if you’re into those artists

[@DDChorror]

All of the things you listed as positives are unintentional

[@patrickmessina1278]

Conclusion: when something is consistently bad, that makes it good? I'm afraid you are viscerating the principle of noncontradiction. As for your comment about the "intangible," well, there's nothing much I can say about that other than "de gustibus (to each his/her own)."

[@jahoffm1]

This is a very outstandingly inspired video. You compared huge ideas with perfect examples. Thanks for making this!

[@HectorSGCG]

Making good music is very hard. Making mediocre music is easy. Making bad music is exceptionaly hard.

[@anonymous-yk9sz]

As a producer and musician, I disagree with this. I think making bad music is easier than making good music for sure lol - you don’t really need music theory knowledge or producing knowledge to make bad music.

[@soupmanstevens160]

So I watched this video, and I was like "hey, let's give Lulu a try, it can't be as bad as everyone says it is." And you know, it wasn't. I actually loved it. Not in an ironic way, but genuinely "I want to listen to this on repeat" kinda feeling.

[@Tomanista]

Junior Dad is amazing

[@thethrashyone]

Fans of established bands like Metallica are always finnicky fucks. Give them anything different, they bitch that "this isn't even Metallica anymore!" Give them more of the same, they smugly sniff their own farts about how "they're trying to recapture their glory days, how pathetic!" I have to admit I passed on Lulu, mainly because I never really cared that much about Lou Reed and didn't think the addition of Metallica would throw anything too special into the mix, but I might give it a look now. Especially since I almost didn't give Megadeth albums like "Risk" and "Super Collider" a chance based on what people were saying about them, but I'm really glad I did because _neither_ album is anywhere near as bad as everyone says. I almost feel like 90% of the people who shit on "Risk" have literally only ever heard the song "Crush 'Em" and are judging the album off that one song alone.

[@ivanriskin1167]

I like you, all of you

[@mdnblues]

I hate how Lulu is considered a Metallica album - it's not. It's a Lou Reed album which features Metallica and it was obviously never meant for the general public. It's like if you're a normal casually dressed person and you're going to a fashion show, seeing unusual clothes and thinking "oh this sucks" while the other people around you who genuinely want to be there and actually enjoy unusual fashion are liking it. Music is subjective. People shit on St. Anger - I personally think it has some flaws, and it has some things that I would change - but there are only like 2 songs on there that I don't listen to. The rest of that album carried me through 2019/2020 and I think it's great.

[@jakechat2716]

@@Tomanista agreed

[@positivechange2000]

I actually like The Shaggs!! Some of the comments on here compare it to a kids painting, which is a good description.

[@a10485]

11:38 "One person's ironic musical trash might be another's unironic treasure." *stares at the 1000 Gecs fanbase*

[@jinkieez]

I don't mind that people like them, but I do mind when people claim they are objectively good. the vocals are off-key, the lyrics often un-comprehensible, and there's usually no real structure to their tracks. those are objectively bad musical traits. favorite does not have to mean best, and i wish people would understand that

[@douglasfreeman3229]

No.

[@douglasfreeman3229]

@@jinkieez Exactly.

[@kevinwillems8720]

​@jinkieez there is incredibly clear structure in the facts in fact often its the most pop fucking structure imaginable. Which is why it clashes with the intense distorted production.

[@samhynninen]

The Shaggs doesn’t sound too far from White light/white heat or VU & Nico. Proto-punk pioneers, I say.

[@miserirken]

pretty sure Kurt Cobain described The Shaggs as proto-punk...

[@samhynninen]

@@miserirken Ah, makes sense. He was a smart man with good taste.

[@melsu_x]

Oh god I never noticed that

[@JonnyJayJonson]

I see what you're getting at Samuli but... VU was made up of musicians who could actually play. Mo Tucker had time, John Cale was classically trained, for a start.

[@brötzmannsax]

The Velvets without the dope.

[@Nakia11798]

I instantly think of Mia Khalifa(the Hit or Miss Tik Tok, if you don’t know), when I think of “so bad its good”

[@SianaGearz]

My thought was "I'm Blue" by Eiffel65 and "Dragostea Din Tei" by O-Zone.

[@musicman6555]

I think of every cheesy hard rock act from the 70s ever

[@MrShredtilldead]

My dick gets hard when I think of Mia Khalifa

[@adoboFosho]

@@MrShredtilldead she plays with them balls like it's fifa

[@cheesecakelasagna]

@@SianaGearz I'm Blue is proper good tho.

[@MadameCorgi]

maybe the Shaggs were trying to be bad as revenge against their father

[@waerydrm]

I was thinking this!!

[@43Aquaman]

Ya know, they sell this stuff called Painter's Tape.

[@estebanb7166]

Prioritize your life.

[@thegreatders344]

Painters tape is for pussies

[@brainglow_lightbright]

Lol

[@Blakezilla594]

@@thegreatders344 exactly, it's for pussies. I use my dick. Works great for a ruler too!

[@Iron_Stigmata]

This is genuinely the funniest KZbin comment I've seen in a while, it caught me so off guard fjfjfjfkgkgfkfk

[@Trunks1200]

There really is a lot of subjectivity to all art. I like LuLu unironically. I'm not saying it's a 10/10 or anything, it is way too long, and a few of the tracks don't work, but I think a lot of Lou's poetry (especially on Junior Dad) is really beautiful and compelling. Lou was no stranger to the media shitting on his work when it first came out. No I don't think it will ever reach the level of acclaim and influence that the Velvet Underground reached, but I think that it will be remembered more fondly than it is looked at now. I think most of the people who hated it when it came out were either people who hated Metallica for St. Anger or hated Lou for Metal Machine Music and were primed to strike. I also think so many fans hated it because neither fan base really got what they wanted. Metallica's fans at that point just wanted a Black Album or Master Of Puppets throwback, and Lou fans probably didn't want Metallica's 2000s brand of pop-garage-thrash anywhere near their art rock. If you go in with an open mind unpolluted by the opinions of others, I think there is certainly value to be found.

[@glitch373]

Asriel agreed. As a Lou fan with no real opinion on Metallica it worked well enough for me. Also look at Berlin for an example of a great Lou album that was shit on at release but has critical acclaim now (though still underrated imo).

[@doctorwhouse3881]

I really like the tracks on it that are taking unorthodox music approaches, like Mistress Dread, Dragon, or Pumping Blood.

[@kaynovamusic]

Completely agree. Junior Dad is amazing and really fitting for his last studio song.

[@michaelfarber3742]

People who say Lulu is shit have never given it an earnest listen. You can call it boring, but “worst album ever,” is absolutely ludicrous. It’s only fitting that Lou’s last album pissed everyone off though.

[@charlie891]

the shaggs didn't want to be musicians, they were just forced to do it because of their abusive father.

[@neetwithajob]

yeah, weren’t they part of some fucked up religious cult too?

[@JosephSmith-lm4ri]

@@neetwithajob their father was told by a psychic that he would have 3 children, he would pull them out of school, they would become musicians with never hearing music, and would become famous.

[@Turtle152]

That scene from "Birdemic" is excruciating.

[@SteeleZack]

Corey Feldman kind of looks like Tommy Wiseau circa 2003 these days I don't think that was suppose to be initial.

[@achair650]

"I AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMM" *zooming in on the horrible score* My sense of humor is so broken, this had me in tears.

[@pinkajou656]

XD LMTO

[@bramb287]

I think the "so bad its good" genre is really big in rap/hiphop. Everybody knows artists like Lil Pump are shit. However its fun, its ironic and people seem to enjoy "objectively" bad music

[@johanliebertofficial8750]

You are stupid.

[@wiltedangel]

I think this female rapper named "lizzo" is "so bad it's good"

[@heysort7856]

True i play soulja boy, 2chainz etc all the time because it’s absolute garbage yet catchy. That combo is golden.

[@heysort7856]

It’s like fast food tho. It’s only good in moderation otherwise your tastebuds are gonna get destroyed. Like how there are people who unironically listen to these shitty rappers

[@atomicvinylreviews3420]

isn't that just so bad it's bad though...

[@Fantumh]

There's something strangely hypnotic about The Shaggs. They do everything wrong, but it sounds fun and it's all tied together (sort of) by the vocal melodies, which aren't bad at all. I've no desire to listen (ironically or otherwise) to the other albums listed.

[@billtell5012]

Mr. Bungle's Disco Violante was an amazing album that seems like noise at 1st. The more you hear it the more you hear how it took a group of musicians that play so tight & well together that no one else could have pulled it off. It was more challenging to listen to than their other LP's but it was a beautiful controlled, organized train wreck involving 6 trains at once going full speed while traveling horizontally & vertically. Truly amazing.

[@Orangeboxman]

I first heard The Shaggs as a teenager. By the time I bought their album and heard all the tracks, I was already in graduate school. I got an MA in music theory, during which I learned to play mess of different instruments, including nonwestern instruments, and I learned to detect plausible compositional decision processes in western art music that normal listeners would mostly agree is intentionally written to sound "bad" (which is "good" when used in horror os suspense movies). The music of The Shaggs speaks to me on several emotional levels, and probably does so better for not tempting me to bother evaluating it much from a technical standpoint. It's technically bad music. But the fact that it keeps going right to the end, anyway, is inspiring. I actually use it as an analogy for my students trying to improvise spoken answers to personal questions given on the IELTS and TOEFL. Lesson 1: "Talk to the END." People who have the capacity to listen through the technical clumsiness of The Shaggs and hear the SONG, itself, will tend to notice that the songs are actually pretty good. People who thing My Pal Foot Foot isn't a well-crafted song don't really have a clear understanding of the basic elements of a well-crafted song. The surface texture is something people can appreciate on a kind of pathological level, or simply by putting aside learned cultural standards of what surface textures of music should be like. In my teens, it was more the pathology thing. Now it's more the raw phenomenology thing. Compare Philosophy of the World very directly to Trout Mask Replica and I think you'll have to agree that, while the latter is more technically precise, it also sounds more tense and more labored, as if people are working their asses off to almost get the same effect that The Shaggs were able to achieve just by playing as well as they could.

[@i_am_an_idiot_but]

How tf were you allowed to watch The Room as a kid?

[@ripleyjlawman.3162]

Irresponsible parenting.

[@Xegethra]

Lots of kids watched adult things. No harm in it.

[@oliverfletcher1939]

If you think that's bad I was allowed to watch an American werewolf in London, the exorcist, alien, and aliens when I was 10

[@blackphoenix77]

In the follow up to this video, he said that that was a mistake in the script and that he didn't see The Room until he was in high school.

[@JetScreamer_YT]

I like that Metallica takes risks. Even if those risks are really bad.

[@Scrapegoat]

I’m so glad you touched on The Shaggs’ knowing exactly what they were doing. The album is perfect.

[@prod.bygygahurts304]

Wow KZbin recommending great content for once! Awesome work dude

[@fnh5783]

why is that one song from the shaggs lowkey great

[@freddurest8237]

"Go to your happy place" (imagines Lou Reed head butt KO on Lars)

[@bekfasttime7001]

Lulu was so...weird, but it’s an artistic experiment that you just have to sit on for a while. Not really to understand or enjoy as you’d enjoy, say, Master of Puppets, but it’s something that I can definitely appreciate. St. Anger had some good songs, no doubt about it.

[@rmv9194]

Lulu sucks, if it was made by an unknown band nobody ever would give it any chance to find something in it.

[@LividImp]

I've never heard Lulu before so I can't speak to its quality. What I do know is that your typical Metallica fan would hate The Velvet Underground, and so I always keep that in mind when I hear criticism of the album.

[@xundeadgirlx]

I could listen to James Hetfield sing anything, I AM, I AM, I AMMMMMMMMMMMMM FRAN-TIC, TIC-TIC-TIC-TIC-TIC-TOCK!

[@Eris_Norregard]

I once found some Black Album demos and the Unforgiven already had the music, but no lyrics yet, so it was sung in "yeahs"... I listened to the whole song. Long story short, I feel you, bro.

[@jasonjohnson5199]

@@Eris_Norregard have you gone down the wanana rabbit hole that is Metallica demos further than that? Because lemme tell ya. It's worth it

[@Eris_Norregard]

@@jasonjohnson5199 kzbin.info/www/bejne/bpCYmniNiZWsbq8 You mean like this? :D Yeah, I listen to every demo tape I can find. There's something fascinating about seeing how the songs I love came to existence

[@junkiejackflash]

It pains me that Lulu was the last thing Lou left us with. Also nice subtle Monty Python reference. "And now for something completely different"

[@thebatman1482]

Lulu is completely in line with Reed's discography. It's not like he had never done weird stuff. If Metallica played on Metal Machine Music, their career would be over.

[@honeycomblord9384]

This is amazing production quality and content from such a small channel. I have a feeling you're going to have much greater success someday, so keep at it. You deserve that success. Great job!

[@jakobhedman836]

I came to this video looking for songs that are so bad they are good. But after watching, Im pleasantly surprised with the quality of this video. All the research and effort put in to something this ridiculous is impressive. Came for bad music, stayed for quality. You just found yourself a new subscriber with content this good!

[@dextresen]

Lulu is way more fondly looked at within the wrestling fandom(because of Maffew's Botchamania). because HE IS THE TABLE.

[@Death9BreadLP]

I AM THE TABLE

[@Mark-zu6oz]

I saw the Shaggs at Solid Sound! Really! I think the Shaggs made up their own rules because they didn't know any. If you listen to the songs, there is structure, they sing together and at the same time, and the guitar follows every note of the melody that they sing. Not normal rules, but still they do follow them.

[@rickc2102]

😂😂🤣

[@ralphhammond5950]

There lies madness....

[@EverybodyBurts]

You are on the money on this.

[@veepw1611]

One of my favorite things about the Shaggs are the New England accents. It really tops off their whole sound.

[@dewitthobson2279]

As chaotic as Trout Mask Replica might sound to the uninitiated, having seen CB & the MB live on a number of occasions, the compositions sounded note for note exactly as they did on the album. The Magic Band was an extraordinarily well rehearsed group of very talented musicians, and TMR remains one of the most remarkable albums ever made.

[@gordonyork6638]

It's like Kandinsky on vinyl.

[@crominion6045]

You're tearing me apart, Lisa!

[@gurr420xxxcrowwooo2]

Oh hey doggie

[@lakeviewviking]

The Virgin Megastore in New Orleans used to play the Shaggs before closing time to get everyone out.

[@veepw1611]

That's awesome, it would have made me want to stick around. I mostly went to Tower when they were both still in business.

[@lakeviewviking]

Yeah I told them "I get what you're doing but I like this".

[@estebanb7166]

That's pretty funny

[@IvanLendl87]

I remember that! Used to love going to Tower Records & Virgin Megastore in NOLA before midnight back in the day. Saw Lenny Kravitz with a very young Zoe Kravitz at Virgin on night right before closing.

[@SuggestiveGaming]

Thanks KZbin algorithm for showing me this video! Great, great stuff, man! I'm really excited to check out all your other stuff. Your presentation and demeanor are perfect for the subject matter. 👍

[@milklover4253]

saint anger had some sick riffs , it was just abysmally produced

[@simonbrunner3062]

Intentionally abysmally produced, so it doesn't even qualify here. By the way, the title track "St. Anger" kicks ass live. I saw them in Berlin last week, they played it between "One" and a tribute to Cliff Burton. Not only did it hold up, the crowd went completely nuts.

[@miserirken]

St. Anger is a good album traped under awful production. Thanks, Lars.

[@bencesarvari2235]

Absolutely. I have the studio DVD version. Epic.

[@thethrashyone]

I would mostly agree with the assessment of St. Anger as "compositionally good, abysmally produced (by design)", but there are a few composition choices I would have personally done away with or revised. The "OOOOOOH, what a good boy you are~" section of Invisible Kid still makes me cringe to this day.

[@namesurname8904]

No solos.

[@randomuser8390]

William Shatner's "songs" are another good example.

[@whophonenewds4805]

Shatner’s “Rocket Man” is fucking golden

[@Assimandeli]

Shatner's Rocket Man and Space Oddity are nice

[@sinformant]

"Common people"

[@waltertomaszewski1083]

Shatner was just being deadpan funny.

[@johnforestersworstnightmar3756]

Most people: This music is bad! Experimental Prog Heads: This is genius!

[@iampob]

You spelled Dick incorrectly

[@mogo5055]

May the Captain rest in peace, I refuse to give Feldman my attention, Metallica playing repetitive music is par for the course, Abraham could be minorly successful as a noise artist, and The Shaggs are solid gold in legend and sound alike. I will also fight Lars Ulrich. Great video!

[@Lazzie_the_Psilocybe_Deity]

Morgan Ward I’ll hold him back

[@AdamSoucyDrums]

Beefheart Represent

[@tcaw8813]

Best musician ever recorded

[@joejosephk1773]

Debra kadabra is the best so bad it’s good song I’ve ever heard.

[@thugnificent9143]

@@joejosephk1773 it's real good not bad good. REAL dry

[@joejosephk1773]

Scareface Ermenegildo honestly, the first time I heard the song I had never heard of captain beefheart (only zappa) so when beefheart yells DEBRA KEDEBRA. SAYS SHE’S A WITCH. SHOULDA ASKED CHARLIE. AINT THAT A BITCH. I did laugh pretty hard at it. Now that I listened to it knowing who beefheart is and listening to trout mask replica, I can say it’s genuinely an amazing song.

[@darubicon1501]

Gorillaz is blur for Weebs That’s “ debra algebra ebneezra kadabra”!

[@mikefelber5129]

Trout Mask Replica- The shaggs: Kids Bop Edition

[@scottkravitz2277]

I might never stop screaming.

[@mlpdisneylover]

Real Donald Trump oof!

[@centerflag982]

The main takeaway here: Lars Ulrich once chickened out of a fight against a 70 year old man

[@joeschultz2]

Maybe because you get arrested for hitting anyone over 60.

[@MrYouarethecancer]

@@joeschultz2 yeah that's the reason why lol

[@joeschultz2]

@@MrYouarethecancer : Very possibly. In most places, smack someonne over 60 unless you can show it's self-defense and you're looking at jail time.

[@thethrashyone]

iirc he once told some story about how he went to heckle a glam metal band during a performance and called them posers, then ran away laughing when one of the members threatened to come down and kick his ass. So the take away is, Lars heckled some dudes dressed like bitches (in typical glam fashion) and then _fled_ in fear of getting his ass kicked _by_ said dudes dressed like a bitches. Whatta story Lars, haw haw haw!

[@sonidogus]

There are no winning options here: 1. Beat up an old man 2. Lose a fight to an old man 3. Refuse to fight an old man

[@visualnoirre]

Farrah Abraham walked so that 100 gecs could fuckin FLY!

[@Jeedan]

The Shaggs are a legitimately fun listen. I've heard it described as "Listen to it long enough and it somehow makes you dumb enough to enjoy it"

[@jgcooper]

Nah, man. You got it wrong. The Shaggs are nothing like The Room. The Shags are not "just bad", they're just perpendicular to what we're used as musical tradition, but they have their own logic. They're more like a kid's drawing uninfluenced by common musical expectations. Meanwhile Corey Feldman is EXACTLY like The Room, they're actively pursuing an established musical or cinematic standard, and they're either completely incapable of correctly parsing and understanding how those standards work, or they're just unable to reproduce it and somehow fail to see much they differ from it in a sort of art equivalent of Dunning-Kruger. Or maybe both. Or maybe they do see the difference but they just think that they gotta keep trying, and I give them credit for putting in the effort. The Room and Feldman are enjoyed the same way people enjoy cringe, it probably appeals to the same people who like The Office. But on the other hand, The Shaggs, or other outsider music like Daniel Johnston, and the illustration of Henry Darger, are enjoyed because of refreshing they might feel, although I cant think of an equivalent movie example at the moment, since movies tend to be larger projects.

[@elsiemabel]

spj you didn't really mention Farrah Abraham here, which is the most interesting modern outsider piece imo, and almost like a new version of The Shaggs

[@waltertomaszewski1083]

I suspect the Shaggs were writing such bad music just to embarrass their disciplinarian Dad.

[@GeorgeSaulnier]

Yes, The Shagg's were playing what they wanted the way they wrote it. There are two recording of My Pal Foot Foot by the band about five years apart. At that point they were capable of playing more conventionally and yet the second re recording has the same guitar and drum part at a slightly slower tempo. It's great. I love The Shaggs. The have an uncompromising integrity. They are making the music that came to them unfiltered by conventional expectation of music.

[@GeorgeSaulnier]

@Joe Doe no. A good deal of conventional music is bad. They are approaching music in a very unique way. Frank Zappa loved the Shaggs as did members of NRBQ. It's outsider music.

[@humptusdumptus4123]

@@GeorgeSaulnier poser

[@gezi5927]

They were forced to make it by their father

[@albertnortononymous9020]

*playing what their father wanted the way their father wrote it

[@ryanbarker5217]

i couldn't imagine the outstanding musical ability of a drummer tasked to replicate the shaggs' drum playing.

[@christopherkelley5875]

Well, Lou Reed did release an entire album of guitar feedback, so this isn't entirely out of the realm of his MO. Also, thanks, now I have "SMALLTOWNGIRL!" burrowing into my brain.

[@southpark645]

Christopher Kelley I actually just recently listened to the whole “Lulu” album and Brandenburg Gate was the only song I even remotely enjoyed on the whole thing lol

[@screwtapee]

What is that guitar feedback album called?

[@Kaiveran]

@@screwtapee Metal Machine Music