Exchange in Parliament between SM Tharman and MP Jamus Lim

[@97ohmygod]

When Tharman speaks, the wise listen

[@leechengho8407]

Tharman speaks with much conviction n compassion n credits shld go along with Dr J Lim too.

[@97ohmygod]

Lee cheng Ho totally agree

[@ericngm9031]

Dr Jamus need to learn practicality of things which is often quite removed from theory. Mr Tharman is a perfect example of a politician who is 'far-sighted', learned and compassionate all at the same time.

[@gha9543]

Pap is not capable of compassion , they use the cane to flog u is the progress they have made since Merdaka..

[@lennylenny7258]

Tharman with a million dollar salary has not done much for the poor either😂

[@alonecozydot195]

tharman for the win

[@sageofsixbowls9773]

Oh pls wat has tharman done so much to help the poor, pls give a 100 page list.

[@gha9543]

@@sageofsixbowls9773 Medishield u pay after 55yrs and deducted every year for life is why he is paid very well. He profits from the poor and elderly. He will burn in hell

[@JL-sw3sb]

Mr Tharman looks tired. I can imagine the mounting pressure and work at a time like this. Thank you to all the ministers working hard for us. I appreciate it.

[@erictan8853]

i will like to repeat in Tan jee say words when he say about Mr Tharman good man join d wrong party no body in pap dare to response only Mr Tharman hv d courage to stand n speak I hv great respect for Mr Tharman others not so sure more like gangster mafia speak loud n lengthy speech sometimes make people sleep not gracious but so sombong ,---- proud better word arrogant

[@jennifer-oc6io]

My husband’s European niece chosed to have a child through artificial insemination ( paid by the social state)n lives in an affordable city apartment, many toddlers were seen wandering the streets alone in cold winters in Europe cause their young mummies r drinking in the pubs, this is what happens when you have generous social payouts n cheap social housing, these kids slips into poverty easily. My husband refused to buy a house in a high migration area cause he said that our housing value will decline as the blacks n Asian immigrants prevail in these towns . N yes, many residents enjoy payouts refusing to work. Unemployment rate is 7.8 percent naturally within the European Union. Stop using Scandinavian countries as an example for your manifestos WP , have any of you ever lived there, worked there n raised your children there? Don’t fool Singaporeans pls. We know who is the right government for us. if you guys truly wanna do something good for Singaporeans, join the PAP, they r the ones having the power n finances to make changes to our country. don’t just yank at a corner.

[@zs1403]

Seems to me that you're jaded and the one that's being fooled by the PAP LOL.

[@jennifer-oc6io]

Seems to me sleepy head you r quite unintelligent without concrete arguments with you on your side. You have no international experience right? Yeah I thought so, your answer reflect upon your personality n intellectual capacity. R you fabricating stories for the WP?

[@jennifer-oc6io]

Seems to me you r jaded n stood by the workers party n can’t think holistically? What’s your international experience? Zero? So that’s why you speak like the WP. You r fooled by them? You have zero brains?

[@jennifer-oc6io]

Speak better English Z, don’t use LOL , go back to school n study more, step into other countries n learn more, being in Australia or the USA doesn’t make you international, everyone goes there. Have more content than to just sarcasm, cowards like you use sarcasms without concrete evidences. I welcome you to join me in an argument. No guts? Not enough life experiences to do so? What r you? A teenager? Ah now I understand

[@bluevastsky]

except that u are twisting the point & nobody is aruging for generous payouts and housing, u need to learn to speak on topic, that is basic

[@patriciaselwyn3983]

Well said Mr Tharman your phrase a "monopoly on compassion" says it all! 👏👍👍

[@acylationk]

Press F to pay respects when Tharman decided to extend his point beyond 1:05.

[@jennifer-oc6io]

WP is trying to bank in the echos of the people n pressure our government to oblige in order to gain more votes n support. Their demands from the our government carries grave consequences that Europe , which practices the same manifestos, suggested by the WP . I am not impressed by Jamus Lim because I am a well travelled Singaporean who has lived in 5 countries n three continents, raising my two kids overseas at the same time. If Singspore ever practices manifestos such as minimum wages, giving citizens salaries, pulling out foreigners, letting young Singaporeans own flats, allowing Singaporeans to sell their flats to which ever ethnic groups they want, we r gonna see, firstly, firms don’t hire anymore, which is what is happening in Europe cause our minimum wages r too High, foreigners working in sanitization industries, will depart prematurely cause our high minimum wages is able to pay them well for several years with just a few months work, young women will choose not to get married n have children out of the wedlock’s cause there is affordable n easy housing available, these groups of young single women slips into poverty easily, citizens lazing around cause there r generous payouts, our towns n HDB flats will turn into one ethnic group cheap towns or flats soon, leading to social unrest like what we r witnessing in the west, where black, China towns or immigrant blocks of social housing exists, international firms not wanting to situate themselves in singapore cause they can’t recruit internationally well experienced talents, leading to high unemployment, which is what Scandinavian countries r experiencing today. WP can fool many Singaporeans but not the ones who r well travelled. Being in Australia or USA doesn’t mean you have seen the world. It takes a lot more than that to say you r truly international, n the WP lacks of an international mindset. I am not voting for you guys. I will walk to my town council n speak to the ministers personally without the need for any WP to represent me.

[@beatitudeslim508]

Thanks for your time and explaination, learned from it & appreciate our government more...esp those wise MPs.

[@digeratidigerati6560]

Jennifer, you hit the nail right the head. Its always a pleasure to read points raised by people with developed critical faculties and well traveled (and i do not mean travelling to so many countries and take a selfie in front of for e.g Eiffel Tower, Buckingham palace etc, at least thats not my definition of well traveled). I am not a big fan of Jamus Lim from day one because of his presentation. Its a long journey for him to prove himself . Chen Show Mao was also very well received initially but did he deliver?

[@lennylenny7258]

Jamus is very dedicated to help the poor 😊

[@MrYewheng]

@@lennylenny7258 yes he has the strong conviction to want to help the poor.. But his theory of helping may end up backfire.

[@jennifer-oc6io]

Thank you guy for your support, my husband is a Scandinavian, I have lived in finland for ten years, india for two years, China for 6 years, Brazil for 3 years, n am currently in the Middle East, headhunters told us that Singaporeans can’t leave their comforts n hawker centers, but yet we r complaining of foreign talents all the time while we aren’t adventurous ourselves. My own European niece chosed to have a child out of the wedlock n be a single mother, many children as young as 4 yrs old were seen wandering in the streets during the winter cause their mummies r in the pub drinking, this is what happens when you have cheap housing n generous mother’s payout, children r born out of wedlock a n they slip into poverty easily. Our ministers r trying their best all the time yet the WP make it look like they r the ones with the heart of a nightingale.

[@shotintheeye]

Wow. PAP had to send in the heavyweight!

[@leechengho8407]

You r truly right, Tharman as a heavyweight is a good choice, if not v 'paiseh' for those underperformed ministers

[@lennylenny7258]

Tharman looks tired😴😂

[@leechengho8407]

@Michael Lim Well said n yes there is a possibility of Tharman becoming a PM one fine day as he speaks rather eloquently with much compassion n sincerity without having to insult or rundown anyone incl d OPP.

[@JT-xg1nq]

Tharman attempted to prevent polarisation. Jamus was saying that on the continuum between equity and efficiency, our position leaned towards efficiency and so we gotta re-balance it towards more equity. Yes, policies tend to be efficient as to become quick fixes and many times decisions taken so swiftly and acted upon so fast that in attempting to be super-efficient, they become ineffective.

[@officialzacadammorrison]

People do not understand Dr Jamus position. Tharman is thinking about fixing the problem at a tangible level. System wise. Jamus position is that the system is already running and it's not reaching out to people as efficient as it claim to be. And changing policies every now and then doesn't help as much. Both are very strong points and that they should merge, blend. The outcome effects from either, no one really knows. While Gan Siow Huang noted that it will cause employers to retrench workers, fact is it employers are going to do what they are going to do. It's a business. The lower the wage, the better. I can tell many tales about this, since I have work years on the ground level. So the Crux here of Singapore government and all governments really is do we keep doing the practical, try to fix the macro issue of technology and automation and risk creating an 'Orange PM' because it's too slow and not accessible to all or do we do a 'helicopter cashdrop' like what we are currently kinda doing but not kinda doing, and try to fix it. Which we all know that jobs of yesterday are never ever coming back. Thus U.B.I It will happened. It's a matter of when. It's just too volatile.

[@JT-xg1nq]

@@officialzacadammorrison It's a systemic issue.

[@officialzacadammorrison]

@@JT-xg1nq Yea man. :/ Current worldwide issue that governments are not having that honest conversation. They either don't know the full scale of impact (no one is really) or they try to avoid causing panic to the public

[@JT-xg1nq]

@@officialzacadammorrison So, policies and strategies gotta be developed and not determined.

[@TamTam-fw8kb]

@@officialzacadammorrison I agree UBI is the future. But tbh the Singapore government is more leaning towards the right (Republican party). So, I think it'll be difficult for Singapore to implement that policy.

[@whatnow8829]

Frankly anyone who follows the Spore news for decades knows this an ongoing problem for donkey years, why hit Jamus for having the courage to highlight this issue ? The key point here should be how to help the weaker yet not fall into the Western welfare trap of dependency mentality and having the country ending up with a huge debt like the West ....

[@Jounior2567]

Exactly! Even though I want to see more opposition in the parliament, I m seriously afraid of the socialist policies they are pushing. They are now starting with minimum wage. Soon they will be go to free health care for all. Then free education, etc! We will be dead if we start implementing such policies!

[@TamTam-fw8kb]

@@Jounior2567 I would argue that the lefty minimum wage policies that Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders in the US is very different from Singapore.

[@JL-sw3sb]

Well Jamus I'm sure you will cherish this session with Tharman.

[@yampong1578]

Definitely he will cherish and savoir the moment where he trounced Tharman hard in all aspects. All Tharman did was to engage in petty arguments rather then debate. 1) He claimed there is a monopoly in compassion among workers party which clearly there is none. 2) He claimed Dr Jamus Lim put out a strawman argument that the government only focus on efficiency in all it's policies which is obviously not what Dr Jamus Lim said. 3) He used an indirect ad hominem fallacy against Dr Jamus Lim when at the end he said he never heard an economist cite material from a university as universities don't do publich research, people does. Trying to insult Dr Jamus Lim and hit him below the belt. With his actions, he had lost all form of respect. People thought he is the only one in PAP that played clean politics, apparently he does not.

[@TheRu5tyNaiL]

@@yampong1578 Rofl only children think politics is clean From either the workers party or the pap

[@prl1184]

Both of them well done!!

[@leechengho8407]

Can fully agree with u.

[@jennifer-oc6io]

jamus lim made a fool of himself without a propsoal and just preaching emptily, while he could not answer with concrete answers when he was posed with practical questions by the PAP members about universal wage propsoals and youth employment. the WP is fake by trying to monopolised compassion, the biggest compassionate ministers are our PAP who has done much for our country and gave us lots of benefits while charging us only peanuts in terms of income taxes as compared to many countries in europe and the USA AND AUSTALIA. I HATE JAMUS LIM and I think he is a SMUG AND A FAKE! naive singproeans ! look at what you have voted for ! a clown like politician who preaches like a little boy in front of older PAP ministers who have been in power of years and light years ahead in terms of knowledge than Jamus. thank god the WP isn;t in charge of our country, otherwise we end up like the next HONGKONG OR THAILAND. Get out WP!

[@osmomosis9216]

@@jennifer-oc6io 🤡

[@suja47]

Wow Tharman!

[@hunterslaptop2002]

As an American I will back Tharman for PM he has the experience.

[@zhenminliu]

My sense is that Jamus loves to listen to his own voice and articulations, and tries hard to project intelligence. Is he just an empty vessel? We should monitor.

[@yummycrepe]

How do you derived at that? You probably find it hard to understand the substance. I can understand your point.

[@ipanmei3380]

spot on

[@logicrule]

I love his fake compassion the Jamus, a typical moralistic lefty who is always arguing based on who has the better or higher moral standing, or how good a person they are, so as to show the world how compassionate they are, and creates policies that are based on their Love for the people.

[@JL-sw3sb]

I sense it too. He is articulate no doubt and he knows it.

[@lennylenny7258]

Jamus has all the good points😊

[@jerylsim1083]

Thumbs up Tharman!

[@ghenghiskhan9308]

Some people here talk like fathers and mothers excited about their son's valedictory speech

[@peternelson583]

Minister is guiding the debate. Nice Sia. Mr Tarman for President!

[@jennifer-oc6io]

Jamus needs to convinced the public much bette with facts, figures and proposals, rather than trying to teach his seniors in the parliament how to be compassionate. Everyone is compassionate in our own ways, we con't need lessons from him. We need to see numbers, money and plans, how to get the hell out of this pandemic problem.

[@HKspurs10]

I love the quality of the debate.

[@lkhllm12]

Don’t quite understand why Tharman said universities don’t publish their research ?

[@chinchang5117]

When u watch a 3 minute video, there will be many things u dun understand. U need to stand for election, get elected, go into Parliament. Then u will understand.

[@WasLostButNowAmFound]

don't quite understand? then go read some research papers. then you will know who the research is accredited to. definitely not the university.

[@yampong1578]

Tharman insulting him lah.

[@steventay5834]

Both Tharman and Jamus both command my respect.

[@bornfree3531]

Minister is a minister...MP is MP....one has helicopter view...the other view a helicopter from a well....

[@zaclukelee]

Who else researched what "Strawman Argument" meant?

[@WasLostButNowAmFound]

And the true giant of a debater in the PAP is actually tharman. Vivian bala is a amateur.

[@LonganLee]

Who likes to see a Tin Peh Ling debate with Jamus ? Hahahaha

[@alonecozydot195]

tharman for the win

[@jennifer-oc6io]

Dear Blue Vatsky, have you read the manifestos of the WP? Do you not know that what I have just mentioned are a reflection of al lof their demands? Have you not been able to think hollistically that if the minimum wage arrives to our society at a time like this, employers will be pissed off? Companies are in dire straits themselves, why would they wanna entertain our minimum wage demands? There are cheaper countries like Malaysia and Philippines, please take a look at ourselves in the mirror before we demand. We are small country. The USA and Chin can scream and shout, and punish other nations. We can't do that. Minimum wage my ass. You wanna have the same rate of unemployment as scandnavian countries who practises minimum wage? Their unemployment rate is 7.8% before covid. Have your favourite WP, considered that? Do they have a proposal and solution? Answer is no. Just talk talk talk and yank yank with sentences like ''cockles of my heart'' I have lived in Finland for 7 years, everyday is like Covid 19, high unemployment. Stay focus and wake up Blue Vastly

[@susanngin3481]

Tats why Tharman shd be our PM. He speaks volume n gentlemanly in soft tone voice. Why must it be racist tat he is Indian n only Chinese can be PM. Then what abt our President she is not malay but Indian yet not elected by the people of spore. Doesn't it sounds ridiculous. One shd look at the quality of hw the person perform. Tharman serves parliament many years n with his expertise he shd lead spore....

[@samms92]

Both debated quite well!

[@swnge5453]

so what will prof JL suggest if minimum wage displaces jobs and cause more unemployment among locals? by showing more compassion and giving out unemployment assistance like CSSA in Hong Kong?

[@daniellim366]

The living stanard is louse as the cost of living in our country is jerk beyond the means of the citizens.

[@jennifer-oc6io]

Between a minimum wage and a Progressive wage model scheme, I'd rather chose the PWM. This is because I have witnessed many employers refusing to hire someone in Finland because of the minimum wage law or just hire them at the same wage for years to come without increments. Make it easier for employers to hire us first, then we upgrade ourselves and demand more. When we are the PWM programme, it's harder to get rid of us.

[@angelamagnus6615]

hardcore pap supporter spotted!

[@TheRu5tyNaiL]

@@angelamagnus6615 hardcore oppie loser spotted See how easy it is to name call

[@TheRu5tyNaiL]

@@angelamagnus6615 LOLOLOL Nice try hiding after posting your comment. Whats the matter Too afraid of a reply? Werent you the person i demolished In an argument some time ago U coming back for more?

[@henrikraina]

This is a very strange comment because there is no minimum wage law in Finland. Also, almost all professions and positions are covered by collective bargaining agreements negotiated by unions which are revised regularly and therefore incremental increases in wages happen continuously.

[@TheRu5tyNaiL]

@@angelamagnus6615 yeah says the person who hides her comment lol

[@sabareesan7708]

Tharman is very Clear

[@EricTan-ey7or]

Excellent reply by Jamus Lim to Mr Tharman inspite of just new in Parliament he Jamus is so very confident to reply Mr Tharman was gracious in rising to talk Mr Pritam Singh say in his election speech MrThraman is a good man but join d wrong party. Eric July 2023

[@JT-xg1nq]

A blended design of min. wage and PWM (2 visions) can be where a min. wage range is set for a limited period. Then PWM criteria are developed for each sector of various industries. Iterative developing time is for the purpose of re-designing the 2 visions into a shared vision.

[@chanhioksang8975]

I support constructive differences, intelligent exchanges of opinion and the dare to share each thought, their beg to differ...

[@henrywong6281]

There is no need to jump to conclusion that the other party has a "monopoly of compassion" (or anything) just because Jamus suggested "more compassion in policies making" sounds really inappropriate like children engaging in petty arguement at the playground. Attacking an opponent at every opportunity especially on imagined excesses will only diminish one's standing as a senior statesman. It would have been more gracious to acknowledge the other party suggestions but explain how a large does of "compassion" had always been (if true) a strong factor in formulating policies. Otherwise thank the other party to his contribution.

[@RajRaj-zx4rf]

I respect Minister tharman for his Wise speech.

[@blaxerx]

This genuine good spirited debate warms my cockles. Where is Jamus original statement before Tharma responded.

[@leechengho8407]

JL will not use d org statement or phrase again as he has been told not to use tt any more. Such an obliging n gracious OPP to cater to tt someone which he doesn't even want to point tt particular someone's name.

[@ongernie7216]

Hope that the government would give the opposition a chance to express their views. To have a SM to protect and shield Jumus motion putting across the parliament seem to have indirectly telling that the opposition contribution is to have certain limitations. Where'd

[@lazybumbumz]

Ong Ernie what talking you - the opposition wasn’t given chance to express their views? You must be sleeping all these while and then suddenly wake up and fabricate facts. This particular video that you comment on obviously is the opposition talking like what in the textbook is perfect.

[@csePraveenKumarB]

Singapore are lucky to have tarman..give him to our country Canada

[@rkninrknin4610]

Two of my favs arguing

[@kkris5900]

What is meant by compassion? Isn't releasing 4 budgets for Singapore workers compassion enough.

[@angelamagnus6615]

Obviously not, if not we will not have one of the highest income inequality among developed countries.

[@lazybumbumz]

Argue for the sake of arguing, but no practical solution. Please give some well rounded ideas.

[@alvinleong173]

Tharman is the boss!

[@pekkiamsou1879]

The Bald Eagle 🦅 have the fullest knowledge as an economist,,but unfortunately , doesn't have the IRON in Him and don't have the Fire in the belly,,,, he fear the unknown,, He should have the Guts 🇸🇬 to Stand Up Against Gutter Politic's Spin'sToxicities,,if only he can have half of JBJ,,he should be the PM Long ago,,in other words he's lost his two Ding Dong from his past experiences Lah 🇸🇬 Singapore Singaporeans,

[@Alohasnackbar88]

Dear Jamus. Please consider talking like a normal Singaporean. It would be easier to relate to you if you did.

[@skirtrunning]

CNA, Mothership, Straits Times, Today online, all give snippets of 3-10 minute videos of these sessions. DOES ANYONE KNOW WHERE TO GET THE FULL VIDEO OF A FULL PARLIAMENTARY SESSION???

[@ngshiehea]

What a strong performance by JL as a newbie. looking forward to his contributions.

[@leechengho8407]

Voting wisely for an Opp like Dr J Lim is an added bonus n advantages to not only d Sengkangians but also to d many Singaporeans who badly needed their voices to be heard.

[@lazybumbumz]

ng shie hea what performance?

[@edwardchean1985]

Mr Tharman, you should regret not to follow Mr smart Goh Chok Tong to call it a day!

[@andrewsitu3472]

Tharman should jump ship to PSP and replace TCB as the boss.

[@nicb.1213]

Listen to his BS. "The standard of living as a poor is a complicate matter. Then why Xi capable and able to alleviate millions in China out of poverty." My friend, it is through hard work, not with loud mouth talking without sincerity but with 24/7 diligent hard work resilience with perseverance to ensure success. How many of PAP Ministers and MPs are willing to follow Xi footsteps. Please show your hands up... See no one to put his hand up, is it because of the Iron Bowl transform into Shinning Stainless Steel Bow. What a shame.

[@balasubramaniam2436]

The PM’s Salary is $2Million (The World Highest Leader Salary) and the rest of the Ministers is receiving very high Salary too (compare to most countries) So if the Singapore Governments can earn High Salaries then what’s so difficult to impose a Minimum Wages???

[@balasubramaniam2436]

Michael Lim Totally agreed

[@jennifer-oc6io]

Dear Sushi Siam, I understand your comments and I agree with you. I have myself been beaten in Europe cause of my ethnic race, discriminated during interviews both in Europe and in the middle east. As a south east asian, I often face prejudice from the locals. However, Singapore is no longer allowing foreigners to sit in middle level PMET jobs anymore and it's not right to demand that the MOM to give the top notch positions to us. We have to international ourselves by gaining global experience, learn a new European language and replace our compeititors. This is what I am trying to say.

[@jennifer-oc6io]

Thank you for your understanding Digerati, but who is chen shao mao? is he another version of Jamus, a yanking economist who came to parliament without a factual proposal?

[@angelamagnus6615]

No, Chen Show Mao is someone with better resume than most ministers, including LKY.

[@cherishl6099]

Jamus appear conceited and too sure of himself

[@lennylenny7258]

Jamus is really so committed to help the people😊

[@cherishl6099]

@@lennylenny7258 I can agree with that, but, the PAP MPs and ministers are also

[@thatslife9596]

What about MOS Gan? Unsure of herself and yet need to show she is sure of herself.She brings nothing new to the table. Any one on the street can say what she say.

[@yampong1578]

@@cherishl6099 PAP MPs are all about themselves only lah. You see the type of questions the 6MPs ask before Tharman stepped in to save their backside. All are questions designed to discredit and humiliate Jamus instead of debating the topic at hand. Al are too eager to draw first blood against Dr Jamus Lim. And all end up got their asses whopped..

[@jeffreyng3351]

Can talk about present bread and butter issues? How about C. F

[@alanooi1005]

when country having low GDP per capita, income growth is required and it need to focus of efficiency and everyone will agree because survival is first priority. when country achieve high gdp per capita, it become complicated as some citizen will prefer maintain current income level and focus on closing the gap between rich and poor , some citizen will prefer efficiency still as it is the core competency of the country and it can achieve more by continue the focus of efficiency. No one have all answer but it is good debate that let everyone understand what is the alternative available.

[@gha9543]

Singapore imports everything and export less than they import

[@markfish1113]

Sg wants an even higher gdp per capita, they want to be highest in the world surpassing US, Monaco and Luxembourg. The policies are geared towards income growth.

[@komyo9827]

Great MP. THAMAN. BRAIN. NO. HAIR

[@casablanca307]

what so hard. just give more to the lowly pay.!!!

[@logicrule]

Everyone will just stop working and wait for handouts, like all failed socialist countries or policies of the west...like a street begger makes more money tax free than an average worker in australia

[@sageofsixbowls9773]

@@logicrule don't compare sg and the west. Never try cannot say

[@logicrule]

@@sageofsixbowls9773 Singapore has always adopted the "Pick the things that work elsewhere" approach and customise it to our country. Why pick the things that is proven not to work?

[@johnathanlim9820]

Who pay ? You pay ? Money dont grow on trees bro

[@lowziyang4331]

Johnathan Lim hello money is our bro! We are the tree where they get the money from we are paying what we getting basically! His money is out money, they get million of dollar should have reduce the pay, to he lo more on the Low income people as comparing their and all country salary one of the highest and most manpower in one smallest country but pay so much! U should tell the minister money not grow from tree dun just simply take so much salary!

[@JackyLee888]

yes SM

[@鬼眼王]

Err.. China has lifted all the proverty and helping them to earn income by farming and developing the area to tourism area.. Why sg cannot? Oh.. Sorry forgotten.. Too small a city..

[@鬼眼王]

@Sushi Saim your lau bu xiao, please read more news. I guessed your news is from your master Trump's and Pompeo pig media.. Er.. Check your house, which item's not made in china. If you have the pride throw it away.

[@confidential6073]

If you were paid too low then go apply for a higher salary job , it really that simple .Let the market dictates the wages .

[@mindtwister1984]

Old school min wage model vs progressive wage model have been studied before the government decided on which model is actually be better for Singapore. Perhaps PAP should give a comprehensive report card to the public to show when it was implemented and how it actually brought about higher wages for the bottom 20% of our working community. Though he was actually briefed by Vivian Balakrishnan during the pre-election roundtable debate with Chee Soon Juan about this topic. Perhaps Jamus should instead show us how the progressive wage model is not working....

[@jacksonwong90]

Fake grants n fake subsidies

[@1971nevermind]

Now I know what a coffee shop speaker is, with no data, backup with knowledge. Plainly only ideas, you have only 4 years plus to go

[@osmomosis9216]

hardcore pap supporter spotte

[@clementihammock7572]

Can't imagine if the chinese helicopter XiaSuey Lim take on this question. Honestly, Tharman is good.

[@Ignoramous-r4m]

Move over oldies😂

[@LonganLee]

Where is the debate? There is no good debate when the accusations are fundamentally flawed. Eg. Strawman is untrue . Monopoly over compassion is untrue. With so many untrue accusations, there can be no debate

[@jacksonwong90]

By increasing tax profiteering

[@luming2378]

tharman...if you that good and respected by your boss...you would be pm by now

[@kennyleo9618]

Doesnt matter. Im sure he knows his worth and we know he is totally of a different league compared to the useless ones in the same party.

[@Rav-pv2en]

Jamus blaberring.

[@watiu9lei]

Its been too long we see opposition taking on those so called heavy weights. WE NEED MORE JAMUS

[@s.l.9082]

All i could think of is sheesh... Mr Tharman, you look like you haven’t slept in more than a week.

[@lowziyang4331]

Tharman have a good speech but Jamus got a better speech, it seem like Tharman think that opposition find thing to argue. I disagree with Tharman view! I feel that worker party in parliament are to see what pap can did better, with some issue to help everyone moving forward, and of cuz workers party do agree with some pap government policy, but this is a parliament what more can u say about good policy that they have made? Why must talk about good policy pap made when it is already good? So that why workers party only address the policy that they disagree only🤷‍♀️ so my dear PAP voter stop having this kind of shit thinking, opposition voter and resident vote them into parliament is to speak up for those politic that left them behind and need to address not to go there to praise the government for good policy, get your facts right! Did they totally took out totally all their policy and reject everything? In parliament only a few policy debate have been made. And people vote for PAP is to serve well, not to fix the opposition! Just serve us manage the country well. So I think infect voter expectations of WP seem to hit their expectation already as compare to PAP and well u would say of cuz WP supporter expectation is easy to hit compare to the PAP, and I can tell u that is for sure look at their salary million dollar over 16k MP, with what right u all expecting a 16k expectation to be equal high than the minister expect and expectation of ruling party from their voter? If a 16k can do equally well that minister then why do we still need minister for? So dun criticise Jamus he is first time elected MP. And he can talk with this caliber is already very good. Non ruling party MP can talk like him. We have to face the issue to determine, not face the party but blind fold not to face the issue of every problem just because is PAP what they do sure right cuz they PAP. That is what u all have given us such dumb impression, pls give us more better reasoning why thaman is better not alway thaman for the win, way to go , go pap, only these few word already tell u all see party over issue! How to impress opposition voter to vote for PAP like that?

[@ahliang]

Meanwhile 03:00 one going to doze off, one using phone.

[@kennyleo9618]

Tharman thug life. Woohoo

[@kenneth.lim3390]

MVP vs MVP

[@cayotelives]

Tharman join WP .

[@BaySean]

🍍 🍍 🇸🇬🇸🇬😊😊

[@royfayel]

😡😡😡😡😡🤬🤬🤬🤬🗡️🗡️🗡️

[@Asyik2aku]

Senior 🤣🤣🤣 Vs Beginner🤗🤗🤗....

[@sageofsixbowls9773]

The beginner is more of a pro instead of all those seniors

[@timothywoo7994]

go to channel 8 news youtube channel and watched the full debate. After watching the debate, it really shows the quality of our incumbent PAP's futures leaders . How our older generation leaders like thaman have to bail them out of embressment. if this continues i have no confident in the future PAP's leaders . this full debate could be watched below. kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z6PGo3mKpNN7o5o

[@AbdulMajid-bc6xf]

Well how have you been doing it in the past n what happened now .It seems u don't know answer .

[@sajat717]

We support you WP!!!

[@thatslife9596]

Is Tharman's depiction of a strawman's argument accurate? I don't think so. WP is arguing for a balance (or a re-balance). Secondly, "monopoly of compassion"? - Tharman seems to speak that into existence when in the first place there wasn't. Mr Tharman - please ENGAGE with the issues and not try to tar your opponent. Your opponents' flaws will be exposed when the weakness in their arguments is exposed. Using mud-slinging techniques work against your own party!

[@komyo9827]

Talk peopleb do nothing M P not easy to do long time people not study group speak engilish broken

[@lenaho7684]

Dr. J. Lim, wonderful speak to support for poor low wages Singaporean please help us, not to let the S/Pass n E/pass to take away Our Singapore job.

[@limedwardster]

Therma said 废话。他说的话没有对症下药。没有方案没有方向。 内容懵懵懂懂。小心呐！他们一家亲。

[@jennifer-oc6io]

Blue Vatsky, you are also very unintelligent, goverment's asisistance comes in a range of subsidies such as schooling, housing, transport and medical. Many families in other contries have to pay for private schooling for their own children because the state schools are not trustworthy. Singapore's schools are trusted. Private schools charge approximately 3500 for the elementary level. Our transport is similarly subsidised as Scandnavian countries who has to first charge their people 50% taxes in average. Our maximum tax rate is currenly 18%, most pay less than 15%, that's reasonable. City housing in Europe which is nearly 100 years old cost the same as our new condos here, but private apartments in Scandinavian countries do not come with a pool and facilities. Just a gate for you. And don't expect security either, it's a DIY self service country. As for medical , this is the fun part, one takes up to 2 months to see a general practioner in a polyclinic and you have to wait for days at an emergency room in a hospital to see a doctor. We have reachable polyclnics, HDB clinics and private clinics supported by the CHARS system. That's another form of subisidy.Before you say that our goverment is uncompassionatem pls look at how we have been living versus how others in other countries have been living. It's not just about the low wages issue here, but also the range of subsidises we have been receiving. You don't sound like a well travelled person to me Mr. Blue, you don't have to believe me and I couldn't care what you have to say, these are the facts and the truth hurts doesn't i? Sorry to disappoint you, our goverment isn't doing a bad job as you would like to perceive them to be. And Singapore does not suck.

[@bluevastsky]

Nobody is arguing for generous payout or housing, yet you decide to paste a text of government subsidies, citing insemination experiences..u know what u are doing is exactly what tharman said strawman argument.. i rest my case

[@JackyLee888]

same more little bit everyday what

[@JackyLee888]

lile playing game little bit more

[@angelamagnus6615]

"pride of having a job and earning a wage" I wonder Tharman would be happy if the minister pay is lower since he loves his job of serving people as minister. :D

[@ML-sv5ez]

You do know he has the capacity to earn much more by not being a minister right? He is highly sought after by international or private organisations. He is already taking a huge pay cut and sacrificing his real worth by being a small time minister of a tiny weeny country to help some illogical citizens such as yourself.

[@wanwanwanwan6367]

no regard j win in this debate .hmm..

[@lennylenny7258]

Jamus Lim is the winner in this debate😊

[@joeliew3537]

Jamus jamus jamus jamus👍