Exciting News: Warriors of Chaos Miniatures enter Warhammer the Old World

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[@daviddryden7668]

I wonder why they didn't restore the Chaos War Mammoth model to accompany that Wolves of the Sea marauder list

[@vladimirpalik6697]

would not fit the boat mate ;)

[@docterfantazmo]

I hear the old mold broke but that may have been a rumour.

[@Kharmazov]

@@vladimirpalik6697 Just build a bigger boat.

[@ryancooper3629]

Im sure they could make a new mold if they wanted, I am sure they have the original master still and even if they dont I am sure they have a copy or two of the kit which could be used to make a new cast. They commented way back about how they are having to do this with a lot of OW sculpts. I think the reason the mammoth doesn’t get to come back is because it would be like a thousand dollar kit that like 4 people buy. Just not enough volume of sales to justify bringing back. The model is also a bit of a nightmare to deal with both hobby wise and on table. I have one. I adore it, but it has only been on the table twice in a game because it is so unwieldy.

[@mobiuscolors7459]

Knight of the realm by Anthony Reynolds shows 3 chaos mammoths being transported by the Norscans on boats to bretonnia as part of their invasion ;)

[@RybackStun]

I'm so excited for WoC! We are clearly SQUARE BLESSED!

[@Fortunes.Fool.]

You have a square blessed day

[@benjaminpowers609]

Those ogres and trolls were in the same 6th edition BoC release in like 2002.

[@Stovaa]

I was screaming "these are from the 2000s!" at this video :(

[@regalgiant1597]

Yeah wtf were these two on

[@ironbreaker82]

Empire, high elves, beastmen and wood elves is the leaked order. The same person with the inside info said chaos would be next while we were waiting for dwarfs.

[@AM-uw3gp]

I was guessing High elves, beastmen, wood elves then empire last, maybe just me hoping for high elves to be next

[@wakcedout]

Well this is making me rethink things lol. I have some high elves models unfinished and painted. I’m eyeing dwarfs empire could sway me so long as they get much of what they use to have. Dwarfs are swaying me because…metal minis and I find those appealing.

[@Braurul]

does anyone knows if they will use the old empire models or they'll create knew ones ? its supposed to be a different time, not 2500 IC.

[@michaelfechir5581]

The old marauders look like manowar on top of their game :-D

[@IronDuke_xX]

Hail and Kill!

[@treydudley7966]

My Giant Chaos Spawn Lives! It LIVES!

[@ryancooper3629]

Mine has been cosplaying as a Mutalith Vortex beast for ages now, thrilled he gets to be a giant spawn again!

[@treydudley7966]

also, I am the guy who couldn't afford metal chaos ogres as a kid and wants them desperately now. GW has tunnel vision for the 30-40 year old nostalgia consumer demographic, and honestly I'm all here for it with my wallet open.

[@ryancooper3629]

@@treydudley7966 hahah, yeah I was also one of those. ;) Tho idk if I'm willing to pay what they are gonna charge for them now. I'm also not convinced I'm willing to deal with the metal hahaha.

[@tehgriefer9317]

@@treydudley7966 We're all in the same page. When we were kids back in the late 90's early 2000's we could barely afford the Hobby. Now thanks God our pockets are full and what I lack is time to paint and mount and space to store. Nostalgia is a hell of a Drug

[@zeferous130]

The Warpfire Dragon was a monstrous arcanum unit. Very interesting that that is coming back. Gives me a tiny bit of hope for maybe a future Tomb Kings expansion with the Khemric Titan or the Hierotitan (I know the latter wasn't monstrous arcanum but it was in 8th).

[@snackelwolf4462]

Is Warpfire a hero or just a monster?

[@buzz0783]

I don’t think they made the Khemric Titan

[@duncan1544]

I think these older models would work great as the back ranks, with more modern AoS sculpts filling out the front rank. But I definitely love Val's take about this being cheaper models, potentially for AoS as well for people who want to go with that option.

[@ryancooper3629]

I'm super pumped for WoC but ngl I was really hoping they would bring back the older multi-pose hunchback warriors kit. Like don't get me wrong, I love these warriors, I have a ton of them painted in my AoS Slaves army. I have so much love and nostalgia for that older kit and I was really hoping I could make a whole army of them. Aside, I actually disagree with Rob that the new models are better. Like don't get me wrong, they are more detailed models for sure but I feel they are a bit more cartoony, and the more dynamic poses take away from a feel that they are heavy. The new models are better executed sculpts but these older ones have a grim feel to them that is just amazing. Personally I've loved every version of chaos warriors even going back to the old monopose kit that was basically 8 mini slambos so its hard to make me cranky with chaos warriors but if I had to pick my favourites it would either be these monopose guys or the old hunchback bros. Side note: Really odd to see them mention Galrauch getting rules but not including that model in at least made to order.

[@markysgeeklab8783]

The newer minis all look like they are posing for a selfie and have main character syndrome ;)

[@ryancooper3629]

@@markysgeeklab8783 Exactly, GW these days seems to think every single model has to be in this might heroic pose covered in details but there is a certain magic to look of many mighty warriors relentlessly marching forward in formation with just simple heavy armor and a brutish weapon.

[@envaya9838]

could not agree more. The old Chaos warrior is still one of the best and most iconic warhammer models and absolutely timeless. Saying that as someone who is not a sucker for old models or a fan of Chaos. Also, there are a lot of models in Fantasy that aged terribly but Shaggoth? Really? But then again Rob also likes the new AoS Archaon..yikes

[@supermarx]

Heroquest chaos warriors were peak.

[@Stonehorn]

They may bring them back MTO.

[@DirgeDesigns]

I feel called out about the Chaos ogres 😂 BTW the ogres and trolls are from the middle hammer era not 80s 😅

[@dbblicher]

Acording to my research, the Chaos Ogres are from 2003. Released at roughly the same time as the Chaos Trolls.

[@user-zs4el7ix3i]

I think the Chaos Ogres were released in 6th edition with the Beasts of Chaos book, which was 2003? Looking forward to Warriors coming out, though a shame the Forsaken aren’t with these waves!

[@entropy2100]

Fun fact; the metal chaos orges where originally smelted by peachy

[@Stonehorn]

Doubtful. When GW gets the metal, it’s already been smelted. Smelting is the process of creating metal from Ore. He would have cast moulds, but he didn’t smelt anything

[@RichSanders]

Armies of Infamy for marauders and knights, whelp doesn't sound like foot warriors are getting a needed boost. Excited for a knight focused army tho!

[@alextruecustodian6174]

People who put an Hellcannon in every single of their lists >>>> People who don't know the joy of a melee beatstick artillery piece THE DARK GODS HAVE BLESSED US!!!!!!!!!

[@Fortunes.Fool.]

I'm converting one for my army but the rules aren't totally awesome in an army that's hurting for points.

[@gilleslessard6042]

Mark of Chaos 3 words that bring back so much love for the setting of Warhammer Fantasy. I never played the video game, but when I started collecting and playing WFB in 7th edition, the masterpiece which is the cinematic trailer of Mark of Chaos, is really what cemented the WoC in my brain. Yes the new Slaves to Darkness models are incredibly dynamic and detailed. However, when a warrior priest and a patrol of state troops finds themselves surrounded in a forest, it is not extremely dynamically posed monsters of armour and death that come charging at them, but a slow and inevitable force akin to a flood, which one may believe to be able to outrun but cannot escape. For me, the models that speak to such an incredibly devastating force of nature, is the slow marching models that have returned, they are the ones who bring on the age of reckoning. They are the ones which I have been patiently waiting for, to meet my Empire army on the field of battle. However new or old, one thing is certain, we cannot undo the gathering storm of chaos, For Chaos, marks us all.

[@daviddryden7668]

I found it funny that they didn't bother to paint the Skin Wolves like all the others in the set that just had their old paint schemes from their OG release

[@Sandrip3926]

Maybe that's true evidence of the accelerated plan

[@punknspunk]

A bit disappointed Fimir and Tamurkhan's horde stuff aren't coming back, but it's nice seeing the skinwolves and the warpfire dragon come back!

[@ironbreaker82]

Fimir and preyton were rumored to return. They'll be in beastmen.

[@GhostGuitars]

Fimir back story is a bit r*pey

[@crusader2410]

Guys, I am SO HYPED for this release! No new models? Ha! Jokes in you GW- I never played WoC back in WHFB, so they're ALL new for me! Mwhaha!

[@Xomitsious]

Just pointing out that Val had a different chaos lord in mind that got updated for AoS (the one with the Kislev road sign). The AoS model is indeed great. The one we're getting hasn't been updated, and in my opinion is very good. Great show as always! I agree that they seem to be picking up the pace. Get the old stuff out nice and quick and start working on the rest. Including the savage orcs that I really want to see re-released.

[@TrippyTheShroom]

I'm glad you guys occasionally mention MESBG. It's easily my favorite tabletop wargame and I've grown up with it, it genuinely makes me sad/upset that GW doesn't seem to care whatsoever for it. It's rule set is phenomenal and could draw in so many more players if GW would just promote it better. I was literally the first person to order a single MESBG kit at my LGS and they've been open for 7 years.

[@MasterShake9000]

What chaos dragon mold did GW sell?!?

[@lord.bragon]

Emperor Chaos Dragon from Forge World

[@krakenattacken8230]

You know, the coolest dragon they've ever made. Why did they do this...

[@MasterShake9000]

@@krakenattacken8230 to me the coolest dragon model was the 2-headed chaos dragon that the Egrimm von Horstman special character rode

[@AM-uw3gp]

⁠@@MasterShake9000 I always wanted that one, we can hope for made to order one day….

[@equos5060]

The thing is, Older Chaos Warriors don't look bad and out of place when they stand next to new ones. At least infantry. And the Sorcerer/Lord on Manticore still looks good in my opinioin.

[@Tulkash01]

The battalion box is very good in terms of stuff you get. The FW is simply great and hopefully available!

[@ClaudiosCollection]

Did you just say HeroQuest?! I'm in! I love Chaos Warrior with Halberds! I still have a ton of those old Ogres, trolls, Helcannon, and character models. I'm glad they're all returning, especially Galrauch! Bring on the CHAOS! Great video, guys! I'm so stoked!

[@thehangman3105]

I think what people want to see out of old world is accessibility over new models. Having models not only available on eBay is a massive deal. As most people are coming into this fresh.

[@acefromspace5843]

Great summary and excited for the Old World release train gathering pace!

[@Twunga]

Loved the tournie recaps, rob. Good shit !

[@vargj6404]

I'm still surprised we have a hard cap for Chosen and not something like 0-1 per Lord/Champion of a matching mark

[@daemonishere]

Completely agreed at the end. I really hope they give TOW a longer than 3 year cycle before updating to a new ruleset

[@treydudley7966]

Val, Beorg Bearstruck and his Bearmen of Urslo were a chaos unit that were in the Dogs of War book back in 4th edition (I think 4th?). So there's precedent for chaos creating lycanthropes.

[@peternax2]

5th Ed was the DoW army book

[@MartyrDK]

Love it. Where are the forsaken? :)

[@ryanbowald2425]

Glad to see someone else cares about them too

[@gatorbomb7472]

Absolutely love this show, thank you guys

[@damiansmash]

So glad squarebased is here to give me the hot takes in these chaotic times.

[@Rivers90]

I’m hyped for the marauder list if there is one. I absolutely LOVE the Darkoath range, and I’ve got loads of them on squares ready to roll - they just fold like a red hot Mars bar right now xD Hype!!

[@kennethphillips6006]

I will send a vote to GW from my wallet for the Dawi Zharr. Hashut! Hashut! God bless you!

[@RiverRibble]

I am much more pumped because this announcement was a genuine surprise today. I love a lot of these classic models! Some I didn’t know existed such as the dragon….that is a spicy dragon

[@itsallfunandgames723]

Men changing into animals has always been a specifically Chaos related thing, as demonstrated by the WFRP 1st edition adventure 'The Howling Season' featuring a werewolf villain changed after spending too much time around the unholy site where a band of Tzeentchian werewolves were slain at the time of Magnus the Pious, and Beorg Bearstruck and the Bearmen of Urslo, a 5th edition WFB Dogs of War unit made up of Norscan warriors who worship Chaos. Also I'm pretty sure the 3rd edition WFB Army Book has ulfwereners for Norsca, even though they didn't worship Chaos back then, but because they were so close to the Chaos Wastes were more prone to stable mutations. And that's all overlooking the obvious, Beastmen and Skaven, which are animal men who were created by and serve Chaos. I think with popular culture we imagine the Wolfman and Dracula hanging out a lot, and put werewolves with the Undead, but there's no real mythological reason to do so, which is probably why early Warhammer writers sorted them toward Chaos.

[@jackrogers5712]

Lizardmen exist, checkmate atheist

[@mikewicked.x]

Please discuss the chaos dragon mold - I am super intrigued.

[@SebastienlovesCookieswirlc]

Overall good news. Happy to see the chaos warriors, knights, chariots and MOUINTED marauders back.

[@earnestwanderer2471]

Young wippersnappers! I shall strike you soundly, about your head and shoulders, with my cane! These models are classic works of art! ART I SAY!

[@JDTeesdale]

I love how easy it's becoming to sell this game to friends, just off the price point alone. Made a list from this box where I maximised the points from this across most of the units, including running 5 knights as chosen and then adding 3 characters from khagras list as a bunch of characters including a chaos lord and sorcerer lord and you've literally got 2k points for £136 (£110 from third party) Is it a good list? Maybe not at tournaments, but you'll be able to play a full sized game, get a feel for it and hopefully have fun for a price that literally wouldn't get you 500pts of 40k, it's wild and I love it so fucking much

[@Insulate2011]

You guys persistently make great content!! Solid !!

[@Madlarkin00]

Just use the AoS warriors and knights as chosen since they are scaled up a bit more. Then they also look a bit different

[@william291077]

I’m the guy who was delighted at the return of that Chaos Sorcerer on Chaos Steed 😂 Love that model and need a new one but struggling to get one complete on eBay.

[@andrewbakescakes9684]

@11:30 - 200% agree. The old Chaos models are nice, but those updated AoS ones are the same deal, just slicker. Model crafting techniques have made leaps and bounds, and while the old Chaos models hold up better than say... the old dwarf models (bearded triangles with arms!), they don't compare to the newer ones unless you snort several lines nostalgia first.

[@marcharrison9869]

It's good to see GW being honest about the new minis and cool to see popular FW minis being included in the release. I agree GW could manage ToW information better think they're being clever keeping ToW to the side. The stores couldn't cope with ToW being a core product and GWs lack of focus is really providing a space for you and others to build/support the community. The community feels much stronger than anytime in WH history.

[@michaelfechir5581]

Made my day boys! The arch enemy is coming, prepare fellow sons of sigmar!

[@comicnerd1000]

CHAOS SKULL WIZARD ON SCARY PONY I KINDA LIKE IT

[@caseybox7816]

Still the best TOW channel on KZbin ✌🏻

[@lesterdarke]

These Chaos Warriors are some of the newest models in The Old World range.... when I looked at them I was like aren't these the current AoS ones..... I was out of the hobby pre-7th so I missed these relasing. But I'd say they're during a period where GW was really upping design so I'd deffo be stoked on them.

[@joegroves2517]

Crazy thing is the new terrain doesn't have a tab or easy to find link on their webstore. Only one of the new release links led to it, and I initially only could find it through the community preview article.

[@kealyj]

I agree with Rob that the AOS models are soooooo much nicer. However, they are also a lot more expensive (generally, obviously don’t have the prices for these yet). My solution is to use the nice AOS guys in the first rank or two and bulk out the unit with the cheaper and easier to rank TOW models. I’ve done it with the Chaos Chosen with a couple of unit fillers to make an absolute titan of a unit. Will do that with the Marauders, using Darkoath or Warcry models to be the pretty boys up front.

[@pauls3585]

I've always wanted a Warrior's army...

[@redcossack3943]

Those chaos ogres are old enough that Sabaton probably has 2 songs about them.

[@Justinroberg]

what's nice about the old plastics is just the ability to kitbash easily. the new stuff for sure looks great but I find myself while kitbashing having to basically build most of a model just to cut off what I need due to all the crazy ways they try to "hide seams"

[@jonathanantoine6391]

The rerelease of Warriors of Chaos is great, I am a bit bummed that there isn't a single new model but we did get the Warpfire Dragon in return (I feel). Looking forward to the book. I will use the StD AoS range largely for my Chaos army but I will also use the older Marauder Horsemen.

[@Vandelberger]

Holy crap what a return to form. Skin walkers!? Warp fire dragons?

[@AP-hv9ll]

Yes, shout out to the current GW resin minis. I bought the orc bsb and boss, clenched when I opened expecting fine cast. Was pleasantly surprised how good the prints are. I bought the fw chaos dwarfs years ago and I don’t think they were this good.

[@Fortunes.Fool.]

I just finished assembling most of my warriors over the weekend (still figuring out magnetizing solid MDF bases) but I’M SO EXCITED FOR THE ARCANE JOURNAL LET’S GOOOOOO

[@BlastastiC]

Those chaos ogres, dear lord :D hahaha. As you said, there's probably many, MANY people out there rocking those nostalgia goggles who are like "Finally... my time has come" Or you could buy the Ogroid Theridons from AoS, they rank up, I've tested it for science.

[@tehgriefer9317]

I also agree with you, in my opinion, Age of Sigmar Slaves to Darkness Warrior of Chaos models are much better. Specially the Knights. I love the Warriors at foot, but I suspect I'm going to struggle trying to rank them in the formation, because they're much more dynamic.

[@paulwinter1688]

They rank up

[@Lordvader1212]

It’s all horses for courses! Personally think these original models work much better for a rank and flank game. Less detail to paint as well!

[@tehgriefer9317]

@@paulwinter1688 Thanks a lot for your answer!

[@Lusk1993]

Credit card in hand, i am ready. Gonna ally in my Legends Daemons too

[@wakephillips]

The biggest problem with the Dragon Ogre Shaggoth model is that we know what they COULD look like thanks to Total War.

[@alphabromega859]

Yep. Shaggoths look badass in game but look wimpy in model.

[@KcBull]

Norsca, vampire coast, malekith and mannfred/ vlad von carstein are all day one buys. Wonder if they will add the mammoth one day to truly field a norscan horde

[@miniaturesandstuff7376]

those ogres and trolls are the best things in this release. The old models had way more charator.

[@user-wg5mp4lc5s]

Skin-wolves were a chaos Norsca thing. As it's a special ocasion mutation in norscan tribe. When certain marauder kissed by Morslieb, start to grow inside, tearing his old skin and muscles away, revealing giant beast, only in a sunlight or when he struggles to supress himself, he tear his new wolf form revealing human underneath. That's why they have skin patches on models, that's their old skin

[@pietrogigliotti8365]

The wonderful thing about the battalion is that is 1340 pts of slaves to darkness for AoS. Yes they are older sculpts, but far more cheaper

[@RenlangRen]

Thumbs up from an old guy who loves terrible old metal minis.

[@AM-uw3gp]

Well I guess I’m collecting another army now…..

[@markysgeeklab8783]

Sweet - cheers for the emergency show, I didn't know yet. Made my day better

[@georgeratkowitz8023]

One simple fix would bring infantry back - scenarios and scoring,

[@thomads3890]

literally just playing WITH a tower that is mann-eable, and maybe making buildings able to be occupied, will immediately buff infantry alot

[@downtobaker2676]

Some rumours I read say there will be a second release after this one of two waves with a brand new Special character model and a kit, didn't understand if brand new, of Chaos Dragon (couple of heads, yeap).

[@Cyberwolfmk2]

Technically the Scout Gyrocopters is a new (monstrous) Cavalry option for Dwarfs in the Arcane Journal :)

[@johnnnysilverhand9819]

Val looks so pale today. Get the man some Waaagh juice and put some healthy color back in him!

[@ironbreaker82]

You're thinking of the lord of nurgle and the harbinger of decay

[@ToAqui210]

Was hoping for a Norsca based army of infamy and a more cultist-focused or mono-god, welp, at least one is given

[@SwopetheDope]

The Resin Forgeworld uses now IS VERY GOOD. The details are crisp and it's actually feels more durable.. BUT it is still resin not metal or plastic. The Warpfire Dragon is from the Monstrous Arcaneum book.

[@16011160]

No new plastic chaos dragon model? What the hell is wrong with them. Those blood angels models are hot garbage too....

[@G2Bryce]

17:27 What does this mean? why can't AoS and ToW use the same minis?

[@JollyRoger286]

I am happy for the old knight because i will get a box for my AoS s2d. Perfect arms, heads and shoulder armor for kitbash. It will be put to good use....

[@regalforever]

I’m guessing with WoC coming out the next army will be Empire!

[@edwardreynolds5185]

Yeah, new FW resin stuff is crisp AF.

[@jolamber]

No new models is a bit disappointing

[@Dre0oq]

I think the metal Ogres and Trolls are adorable. Lots of personality and I can take them with my Beastmen!

[@OldManRogers]

THE EMERGENCY SHOW!!!! Town bells ring, priests of ulric stop from their prayers, somewhere in Altdorf a mad sage cries HE COMES!!! before expiring.

[@DerOrk]

Its weird that the Dragon Ogres are repainted red here. I went and checked the photos printed in the books and they are still green there. Also they show the plastic spawn and plastic Daemon Prince in there, so I hope the latter is still coming.

[@walterdimmick653]

The old whfb metal DOs were usually portrayed with red bodies. They can look good red, green or grey IMO.

[@nathanbuxton3271]

I’ve seen a really nice blue as well which I think works with a greyer or orange flesh tone

[@christopherkruse1370]

I would like for dogs of war to get a complete redo (same units/new models). I know its a nostalgia game for old sculpts but I think theyre perfect for it..a little bit of everything & the story setting is down nearby their countries.

[@JaykeHallOfLegends]

I’m so pumped for WOC. My first fantasy army was the old Mortals/Hordes of chaos from 5th or 6th edition, when those plastic warriors first came out. I played 2k using 40 chosen slaanesh warriors with great weapons and shields (back when it made sense 😆) Supported by the (sadly missing from this release) Slaanesh Lord on steed of slaanesh, and a ton of heroes in the big unit and a bunch of chariots to support. It was excellent, filled with great memories and I can’t wait to do it all over again!

[@michaciemniewski9791]

I would say infantry is good. It depends in which army but some use a lot of it. Lizardmen, dwarfs. Chorfs, O&G etc.

[@Stonehorn]

Me. I am fired up I can buy these models again.

[@stujm84]

Those ogres are certainly not 90s, dont remember any ogres for chaos back in 4th or 5th edition

[@CygnusMaximusXIII]

Sorry to Val, but a KZbinThug(TM) correction: GW got horse sizes right in Fantasy with the old Empire Outriders/Pistoliers. That was the first ever GW kit with properly-sized horses!

[@andrewbakescakes9684]

For Chaos!!

[@jolamber]

Totally agree with Val about the complete lack of hype from GW for old world

[@mogwaiman6048]

The 6 month window is over. HH got the same treatment.

[@markysgeeklab8783]

​@mogwaiman6048 HH Is just space marines squared though. It's probably much harder to sell multiple armies to players.

[@Adamantos-Elean]

they don't want it to do well because its not woke, thats why 40k is getting shittier models too. They want to push age of sigmarxism to the max because its woke corporate trash they can get diversity funds for.

[@supermarx]

@@markysgeeklab8783 How could you tell?

[@mogwaiman6048]

@@markysgeeklab8783 it's more than just space marines. People will also buy more than one space marine army like they do in 40k.

[@derekmcmanus8615]

I had a massive release earlier...almost blocked the toliet

[@SquareBasedOldWorld]

This is the level my humour is at right now and I appreciate it - Val

[@wokehammer40k]

Def picking up the new battalion will prob see double duty in AoS and Old World! Armies of renown sound dope!

[@Silverchainer]

Still no Chaos lord on dragon figurine...:(

[@alfadasfire]

37:57 no way they will be available anytime soon. Dwarfs were shown off in March remember? And only went up for preorder at the end of July. I admire your optimism, but no. This will be Oktober/November at the earliest. I'd love to be wrong, I really do in this case. But I don't see it happening Edit: lol right after I posted this you said this. I really hope you are right, give me more armies! Give me more lore! I'd love to spend all my money on this game. Love the old models. And yeah, for AoS I prefer the new Chaos warriors. But for this? Give me that huge block of lockstep shields. They are perfect! I do really agree with you that blocks of infantry should be the focus, not a lvl4 wizard and OP lord on Dragon(equivalent). It shouldn't be Hero hammer, imo. I'd love some Beastmen and Wood Elves. GIMME!!

[@AM-uw3gp]

Yeah I hope they don’t come too soon I’m running out of space to hide new Old World boxes from my wife

[@georgeaitken2719]

The irony just when these are coming out I’m selling a old chaos army deal with a siege cannon which hasn’t been touched