Exclusive Turbo R Details & Is the Mach Z Returning for MY23?

[@hermitrob5481]

Polaris guy for sure, but man Ski Doo, as usual, just produces stellar products. Beautiful sleds.

[@dr.who2]

Is it true thst Polaris comes with tow ropes to he towed frequently hahaha just kidding

[@hermitrob5481]

@@dr.who2 So many people jumped ship from .. cough couch ... "other brands"... Polaris can't fill the Snowcheck orders. Must be doing somethin right.

[@mikemet1744]

Really can't go wrong either way. Have fun all.

[@bartunertl302]

Great interview, Luke. It's interesting to see the variance in the delivery of information amongst the manufacturers. While some make outrageous claims, over promise and under deliver, others are more reserved and let their product speak for itself...

[@bradwatts5540]

Yet again flawless over view and tech info from Snow Trax these guys are the only people I watch for info on new machines

[@snowtrax]

Thanks Brad! Really appreciate that!!

[@ML-lg4ky]

Can’t wait to be the 4th owner of that sled!

[@tomterrific860]

Still riding a 2018 Ski-Doo Renegade X 4-Tec, but would LOVE to get my hands on a 180hp Ski-Doo. Super vid, thanks!

[@tboystoys5682]

Mach Z has always been an iconic sled and would love to see a two stroke turbo platform. Great interview Luke that’s the type of interview that gets the consumer the answers they need to decide on a purchase. 👍👍👍

[@snowtrax]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@jasminboohoowoo1853]

4 stroke turbos have a great reputation 4 reliability and speed! Cat sells everyone they make and I’m sure doo will too. Hopeful that Polaris builds one too 10,000 miles on my turbo kitty and still runs and looks great. Eats rough trail at 90 mph plus getting 15 mpg doing it!! I decided to change the spark plugs on it today and the originals still looked great

[@paulmollise1856]

Ask him why do you need a smartphone hooked up to the dash on the sleds to run the GPS?? I was at Novi snowmobile show and was sitting on a Renegade 850 xrs, the reps were like what do you think, I’m like I love the sled, but I bought a VR1 Matryx, they asked why, when I asked about the dash needing a smartphone compared to Polaris they were silent, just stared at me, you could see in their faces they knew exactly what I was talking about and had no answer

[@bigmurph1447]

I agree with u on that skidoo needs the GPS like polaris. I would never buy a polaris they have to many issues with motors and clutches. But they got one over on skidoo with the gps.

[@rogersyse645]

Awesome interview Luke. Taking the technical jargon and making it relatable to the average snowmobiles. I think the one-off Mach Z will be back after they look at any reliability issues data. Also a good option to debut new performance features that are R&D now .

[@thesmallengineguy4694]

Absolutely awesome video. Answered all my questions. They would be fools not to keep producing the Mach z !! The sled is so sought after for it's technology I believe. The true Dyno numbers are in the 190hp range there finding.

[@hotham88]

Great video!! Gets some of the questions out of the way. Hope to try out the new 900R with the new throttle It could possibly make me switch strictly to 4 stroke.

[@oldwrench4213]

Interesting conversation. Nicely done and well thought out!

[@snowtrax]

Much appreciated!

[@jerrychase4177]

The Arctic Cat Turbo Suzuki 1056 is the still the standard from which every turbo 4 stroke is judged by.

[@youareright5431]

I watched a video ( I won't say who) changing the steering post position this sled is crazy complicated I've been a technician for over 30 years and there is no way if something goes wrong your going to do a quick repair and be riding for the weekend!! Guaranteed!! Less parts less to break! Not anti technology ,But there's a limit to everything!!

[@youareright5431]

@Mike M What are you talking about? Drop it off and wait for your dealer to get a new turbo hose from Austria? What doesn't happen anymore? Sleds Don't break 😂😂

[@matthorvath7562]

@Mike M yeah, because first year models have never had an issue😵‍💫

[@eugenezalevich437]

The throttle control. They've know about it was a problem some 2019. And snowtrax's highlighted it back in your videos back in 2019. It just took longer to get it changed out. And for the mach the consumer can just buy decals. I don't see them coming out with the mach "name" next season but there well be a same featured sled to the mach just different name. And looking forward to the chassis update for 2023 reveal.

[@nickkinney3508]

Yesss I’m hoping for a new chassis as well

[@rinkrat4459]

Great videos as usual from Snow Trax. Still waiting for my Renegade X Turbo R, Luke can you toss that one in the back of your truck before driving back to Ontario! 😝

[@pavmentsurfer13]

Lol.... ill see what I can do.

[@daneulekowski929]

Awesome interview Luke. The northwoods are getting dumped on, perfect timing.

[@snowtrax]

Awesome and thank you!!

[@jimallen9772]

Thanks Luke. But I’d still take a Yamaha turbo

[@JakesBeeYard]

Thanks for the input Jim

[@MikeMFnJones1]

That's great but Yamaha is too dumb to build you one , even if you spring ordered one. Terrible bunch at Yamaha Canada.

[@HighMo]

Yeah I love the motors, but then you have to live with the total piece a sheet suspension. Never again.

[@dennisbragg2233]

It would be nice if Ski Doo could get all of the 2021 models completed for customers before the 2022s come out!

[@chadc638]

Great interview, as always. Love the content. It's just weird. I read a lot of comments from other videos that you guys are shills for Polaris and nothing else. Find it bizarre that you have the courage to talk up a Doo, despite you being on the Polaris payroll. *insert sarcasm here* You guys are awesome. Love the channel. Keep up the great work.

[@sooperdan]

So just out of curiosity, did he every drop the actual production numbers for the Mach Z???

[@darrenshaw923]

Best part ! / Canadian proud

[@felixbergfors]

Yes !! A Yellow Skidoo #TheRealSkidooColor

[@LiamG903]

solid interview my man

[@snowtrax]

Thanks Lee!

[@christophereric1407]

The reason a manufacturer will state one number and whisper the other is the insurance industry.

[@pavmentsurfer13]

Good point.

[@gregfleenor9654]

Appears the TCat is keeping its crown. New York Drags (prob one of the most credible events) posting numbers and the Mach Z isn’t catching the 9000. 2/10th’s out @ 660. Box stock. I hear the 900 has less capacity for staging than the 998 too. Meaning a reliable 270+ HP may not be seen from the 900. I’m not sure if this is true or not. Time will tell.

[@wasupfool5692]

It's already been dynoed and shown by tuners to have about 195hp stock. Not 180 so it should be at least competitive with the sidewinder at 204hp because of the efficiency of SkiDoos P drive clutches

[@jasoncampeau2948]

I’m getting one when my wife allows me 😂, but she will prob want it after she rides it!

[@RobertSmith-rl1wo]

Are you going to be bringing a review of the 2022 Renegade XRS 900 Turbo R? I know the throttle is not adjustable but can it be set up as a finger verse thumb throttle position?

[@DareDog.]

It like the normal 2 storks throttle. Cant change it to use finger position.

[@dr.who2]

Hope they have a mach thos year

[@loganobrien3525]

I just want to point out that they are bragging about 180hp and a factory warranty which is stuff arctic cat has had since 2012 and since its running 17.4 psi of boost that means it wont have as much tuning capability as the arctic cat and yamaha platforms because its basically tapped out on boost already

[@marclapalme1394]

Great video. Thanks

[@jromem7313]

That thing looks Like Howard the duck with a mustache

[@stevemino142]

How many people need a 200hp snowmobile? The insurance would be pretty high as well...love the new ski doo machines but would never pay that much for one love my old safaris everest 500 moto-ski mirage

[@pavmentsurfer13]

Ummm... im not even sure what to say about this comment. 200hp isnt about need, its about want. NO ONE needs a 200hp trail sled. But, if its available and youve got the $$, why not. Its not for everyone, but it was never meant to be.

[@DareDog.]

Please tell skidoo. They need 900 95hp X package. I don’t need a 180hp sled. Can not get a 900 N/A 95hp sled with rebuildable shocks.

[@perrykamieniecki8810]

Why not ask the question on throttle lag or lazy throttle.I know the way it is engineered And the way the engine sits in the sled being lack of room but why not ask the engineer if anything can be done about this situation.

[@pavmentsurfer13]

Because I already knew the answer. And you just said it. The lag is almost non existent on these new models anyway so theres not much to complain about.

[@yamguy33]

That skidoo guy 1/2 of what he said on the engine and turbo i call BS ; bashing on yamaha because we all know that yamahas were 180hp advertised but 200ish dynoed , it was yamaha promise to the customer that in worst case scenario in the worst possible riding conditions the sled will not make less then 180hp , so what is yamaha are "under rated" so were the ford mustang cobra with dohc 4.6 terminator engine underrated for its power , woopie doo so basicly that skidoo guy is saying that its 180hp in average to best conditions of riding it ..... 2nd thing , the turbo story yes the maverick is 200hp claimed , but in snowmobile world that are meant and designed to run in cold/snow the cold air can work to your advantage by the intercooler is working less hard to cool the intake temp charge due to its already in a cold environment so it can be more efficient and smaller but the maverick utv is meant to run in a hot environment for the intercooler need to be bigger and work harder to be more efficent!!!.... also that engine 900t R 17.4 psi of boost at 180+hp at 17 psi on a modded yamaha 998 turbo 17 psi is darn close to 290 hp or around 10 ish psi on stock form at "180hp" 98cc will not make a huge power difference , back in the day with bolt on turbos on yamaha apex/nytro the recipe was 1psi =9hp , my thought on that engine is that how come it make the same boost as a modded 998 turbo in stock form? my money is on the yamaha engine for the long run due to alot less boost for same hp , also from very good source i know that 998 yamaha is a 300hp engine design but is seriouly detuned for the consumers!!! but id like to see skidoo push for that 900t R in other segments like in the 146/154 track length the technology of the 4 stroke turbo is that its cheap to get big power compared to 2 strokes! every one bashed on yamaha about the 4 strokes but im happy to see that skidoo jumped in the 4t turbo war because they saw the potential , id like to see polaris join the 4t turbo war with that rzr turbo engine!!

[@pavmentsurfer13]

No one was "bashing on yamaha". Were pointing out differences in how these 2 companies handle horsepower claims. No MFG horsepower claims are %100 accurate.

[@krankysledzz]

Great video guys. Question for you. Now with the new throttle block , it’s nice BUT I have noticed it’s not as stiff ( pressing throttle) as the 2strokes. Is there any way to make it have more resistance like the 850? Eg. Throttle spring on the ITC motor down below? Just like old carburetor cars , if you wanted heavier pedal feel , you’d put a bigger return spring on throttle linkage on carburetor.

[@pavmentsurfer13]

I felt the same way actually. Its better than ITC but still a bit on the lite side. I cant imaging getting TO the spring will be easy but im sure you COULD do something like that it would probably work great.

[@snomofilms]

They will need to offer the Mach Z also next year with the shortages this year. Not everyone will get their order, and the ones that do will have some of the tech limited like shocks etc

[@rayland8553]

My dealer told me the SC issues will not be fixed next year. My Lynx won’t get here until March, just canceled.

[@snomofilms]

@@rayland8553 that sucks. My Assault 850 is delayed until end of Feb- I’m keeping it because, like you said, won’t be any better next year.

[@MrMvidz]

Wouldn't mind an 900 ACE R as a power touring together with my Sidewinder, which I think still is the benchmark for 4-stroke turbos. A bit peculiar though, that everytime a SW or Viper is reviewed it's so much talk about the weight, but with the advent of BRP high output 4-stroke turbos, it doesn't come up. A Renegade with a 900 ACE Turbo is not a lightweight machine, right?

[@wasupfool5692]

About 20 pounds lighter than the sidewinder I believe,

[@pavmentsurfer13]

Weve stopped talking about weight so much these days. Everyone knows a 4 stroke is heavier. Its not worth beating a dead horse. The Skidoo IS lighter than the Yamaha/arctic cat.

[@MrMvidz]

@@pavmentsurfer13 It probably is a bit lighter, but surely not so much that it will be a huge difference. I was just noticing that weight is only brought up when it's Yamacats and not these 4-strokes.

[@AndrewA12A]

wow! Luke will just say anything to bash Yamaha and keep asking him the same question (3 different ways) re: the horsepower Luke, maybe he'll give you the answer you're looking for. Its 180hp, that's it!!

[@pavmentsurfer13]

haha... ok man. Thanks for that constructive comment.

[@JJ-xk3pg]

need long sled whit 900ace turbo r. Summet 900ace T. ???????

[@tonynewnam2809]

Still a mustard bucket with all arctic cat technology from 60s 70s and 80s Polaris ski do all thrived from arctic cat technology.......if it's not a cat it's just cat food.....

[@martinlahaie6012]

Wow...

[@99problemsbutafishaintone35]

Haha try getting any skidoo right now: used ones are more than new ones

[@snowtrax]

Used market is crazy. Everyone's experiencing shortages.

[@TheLeblancGroup]

Please give us a 900rr 146” backcountry xrs

[@revrdr600ho]

I think they should debut that in the Lynx first. They have that set-up over there (Xterrain), I bet it would draw a lot of attention.

[@snowtrax]

@@revrdr600ho Wondering if that'll be the next Lynx to come to North America...

[@Kevin-ix4qz]

Skidoo.... Send a rep who doesn't constantly say eh, um, aaa, aaahh, and aaaaa

[@rprovasoli]

A lot of sd videos are like this. English is not there first language

[@justsomeone6835]

Nice job skidoo you produce great 2 stokes and great 4 strokes. Where they never talk about other manufacturers that don’t even offer 4 strokes. It doesn’t fit there narrative to talk about In there programming

[@pavmentsurfer13]

I dont get it, are you upset we dont make negative comments about Polaris because they dont build a 4 stroke sled? Its not something to be negative about. Its their loss to not build a 4 stroke. Doesnt affect me at all. Weve been "predicting" a Polaris 4 stroke for 4 years, based on some quality info. No idea why we havent seen one yet.

[@robwilson6775]

In Canada we say Zed. Not zee

[@pavmentsurfer13]

Ill say whatever I want. Its just a letter.

[@robwilson6775]

@@pavmentsurfer13 maybe you should should move to the US.

[@snowtrax]

Sip your tea and relax, Rob.

[@nighttrain3926]

this will be a nice trail sled for doo gyes, but this is no lake runner , if anyone is thinking ull beat a winder stock for stock, nope , even if theres any stock winders out there!personally doo has had 6 years to build something to compete with a winder, this is a huge let down, they needed to set the bar higher

[@tcbbct509]

Think they're just more focused on the trail side of things and that's fine. A lot of people calling for a big lake sled from them but I wonder how many are going to actually go out and spend 25ish grand on buying it brand new? Every manufacturer used to make at least one candidate for king of the lake and many of them had more than one option in that category. There's a reason these types of sleds are becoming more rare. New sleds have gotten pricey and very few people can justify paying as much money for a toy as they would for a 2 or 3 year old mid range car or truck. If all it took was slapping a big triple under a slightly larger hood things would still be like they were in the 90s and early 00s.

[@pavmentsurfer13]

@@tcbbct509 Acutally, These types of sleds are becoming more rare because people arent buying them. The days of bragging about being the fastest down the lake are gone. Your average snowmobiler is more interesting in ride, handling, features and build quality. IF the big horsepower lake racer sleds WERE in huge demand, all the MFGs would still be building them. What Skidoo has done with the Mach Z is smart. Build a REALLY fast sled thats still great on the trail. Not that the Sidewinder isnt a good trail sled. It is. But not as good as the Mach Z IMO.

[@pavmentsurfer13]

How can you say its not a lake runner? Its 180 horsepower. Just because it doesnt have as much power as a sidewinder and MAY not beat it on the lake doesnt mean its not a lake runner. The days of obsessing about being the fastest guy on the lake are over. Most riders care more about ride, handling, technology, build quality etc etc.

[@tcbbct509]

@@pavmentsurfer13 exactly my point. If youre staring at a price tag near 20000 bucks do you really want a sled that's built, for the most part, for one thing. An 800cc trail sled today makes as much or more power than the biggest triples back in the day did and in a lighter package too. They're going to get you to the other end of the lake at uncomfortably high speeds all the same.

[@philippecomeau4000]

What he wants to say but can not say is that skidoo will wait until everyone buys the 180hp sled and then they will produce a 200hp sled. Just like they did with the first generation of 900turbo. Its just too easy to manipulate horsepower on turbo engines.

[@Chevysrule454]

"Deliver exactly what the customer is looking for"? With only 180 hp? Think again. We want well over 200 so we can finally keep up to the sidewinders.

[@mikeskidmore6754]

17.4 PSI of Hot air or of cool air? You can keep increading power with more Boost so long as you have high enough Octane fuel.. If you really want a lot of boosted power try injecting a 50%x50% Methanol water mix...

[@Hans_P]

Mach Z. Way north of $20g and sold every single one!

[@russhfan]

clickbait no machz answer hehe

[@MrJeffyb69]

Really, asking about Ski donkey's 180 hp claim being conservative or underrated ( obviously referring to Arctic cat/ Yamaha's turbo sleds claim of 180hp), but doing so in a negative way that it's a bad thing for "other manufacturers", A.K.A Yamaha/ Cat's claims aren't consistent ?? If what you are referring to had any of these Yamacat's below 180hp I would agree, but NONE have been less than 180!! The average has been 205HP! This talking point to me was absolutely you pandering to BRP :-( I really thought you guys were above this. P.S. These sleds, even though they are assembled very well and perform very well, are still Ugly as h#%l, angry duck anyone !!!!

[@MrJeffyb69]

I still like most your content though :-)

[@pavmentsurfer13]

The questions about horsepower were simply highlighting the difference in how manufacturers handle listed horsepower VS aftermarket dyno numbers. IMO, when I buy a sled, I want to know what the horsepower should be. Not a made up number. This matters to some people, doesnt matter to others. My point is simply that if NO yamaha turbo dynos less than 190hp, why not list it as 190hp? Makes comparisons more fair for the consumers.

[@MrJeffyb69]

@@pavmentsurfer13 I understand what you're saying, but what you said is clearly a negative (poke) comment towards this sleds only "true" competitor/s Yamaha Sidewinder/ Arctic cat Thundercat "4 stroke" turbos! I would 100% agree with you if these 2 other sleds were putting out less than the advertised HP numbers, but they don't! Snowtrax ( your show), even explains this in a video from 4 years ago during an interview with Yamaha. He clearly states 180 HP is the absolute "minimum" HP you will get, trail, mountain or whatever. IMO, that's awesome to know that the sled I purchase makes that on a bad day and more than likely more every other day !! Honestly, who buys a "performance" sled and is let down because it makes 20+ HP more than advertised? Oh, darn, my 180HP sled just made 205HP! I'm pissed now, LOL :-) All I'm saying is keep it real, I've bought (2) Sleds and (2) 4 wheelers mainly based off your Videos that always were honest and unbiased that I remember. This video with that HP Question just seemed artificial and un called for. Keep the videos coming and keep it REAL!

[@MrJeffyb69]

On a side note, I would ride ANY sled, even a Ski Doo, vs none at all! I don't hate Ski Doo, I actually really like the XS chassis sleds and have ridden a couple ( XS and G4). I'm just not a fan of the G4 ( my opinion) and prefer something a little more unique on the trails. Everywhere I go all I see are Ski Doo's and Polaris, that's one of the reasons I currently ride cat, that and when I test rode the (3) back to back I thought the Cat was more fun and more comfortable. I am interested in the Polaris Matryx though, haven't rode that one yet.

[@codybredeweg5973]

Ugghhhhhhhh

[@robertlarrabee9115]

IMHO, BRP missed the boat big time. A Mach Z deserves a 2 stroke. BRP should have revived, improved and E-Tec’ed the 1000 cc 2 stroke and never mind the weight/complexity of a turbo. Moving to the question of will there be a 2nd year of the Mach Z? My prediction is of course there will be. CanAm all ready said the Spyder RT Sea To Sky would only be available for MY 21 and guess what’s back for MY 22, although in a different color?

[@ih302]

First!

[@yeahWhatHesaid]

🙄

[@steveg9729]

Why is the video so washed out and lacking color. Hard to show off the vibrant colors on this sled when the video is so poor.

[@TheJrschaefer]

Uhhhhhhhh. I think skidoo keeps their executive team locked in a basement with minimal social interaction

[@bennyb6071]

Not reliable, two of the three in the group blew up

[@EthanAdey]

😂

[@newslendergaming6721]

Break them in first

[@Exc_Alec]

There goes like half the purpose of a 4 stroke sled😂😂😂😂

[@brandenjoseph604]

Ya right

[@touringe]

Do you really think we're gonna believe you! Seriously man!🤦‍♂️

[@michatvrider]

$20,000 later............smh

[@3rd4thgenFbody]

$13800

[@peterduffey]

They admittedly sold 2 to 3 times what they anticipated on the MACH Z, and now, they have serious production shortfall issues. First deliveries were missing ECU's which are starting to come into dealers just now. Now, they are being delivered without the smart shocks and we are being told late January before we "might" see them. A good chunk of the season is over, and not a peep or an apology from Ski Doo. They just pass the buck and say "call your dealer". My poor dealer has to deal with the mess they created. They are also going to swamp dealer service departments installing parts that should have been on from the factory and that will happen at the busiest time of the year for those service departments. Some kind of "oops, sorry about that, here's a $500 gift card to try and make things right buying accessories" would have been a great show of customer appreciation (keep in mind, that $500 is costing them no where near that if it's only good to reinvest in Ski Doo stuff). Great tech and no doubt what will be great sled, if I actually get to ride it this year. BRP dropped the ball big time allowing that many orders. If they produce it again next year, they will see a massive customer revolt from locals who bought it as a limited edition, one year only sled.

[@tritri301]

Thing is, covid happened. In order to build a sled, skidoo needs their supplier to deliver. If said supplier said they could deliver say 2000 shocks in 6 months time, but then didn't, BRP is the one being blamed for this. With the global shortage of almost anything, it's sad to say, but customers must be patient.

[@peterduffey]

@@tritri301 no issue with your explanation, but the silence from BRP is deafening and unacceptable. They said a November delivery, now "rumour" for Mach Z smart shocks is January. Neither the dealer nor I have been given an update from BRP. My dealer didn't even know the sled was incomplete until he uncreated it and started to assemble. That is where BRP has dropped the ball big time. I'll be patient, just give me some information.