Exercise Scientist Reacts to GREG DOUCETTE’s Top Tricep Exercises?!

In this video Dr Milo Wolf reacts to ‪@gregdoucette‬'s takes on triceps training and the best triceps exercises. He reviews Coach Greg's advice from a sport science perspective, including the effectiveness of compound exercises for biarticular muscles (the long head of the triceps), what the best triceps exercises are, what the worst triceps exercises are, whether dips are dangerous, and more!
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1. Greg's video - • Build Horseshoe Tricep...
2. sportrxiv.org/index.php/serve...
3. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...
4. journal.iusca.org/index.php/J...
5. pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38249...
6. pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30621...
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[@gregdoucette]

Thanks for covering my list of best and worst triceps exercises. Would love to see you do my 3 best and 3 worst delt exercises.

[@gregdoucette]

I have one main point where I still disagree with what you’re saying and that’s where you point out that super sets or drop sets are going past failure is not beneficial. I would estimate 90 to 95% of people don’t train hard enough in the gym. And so if I tell them to go past failure it’s going to allow them to train harder than last time which is likely going to lead to more muscle growth. Sometimes you have to explain things in the way that the masses will understand it in order for them to do what you want to do.5% of people that are already train their asses off and know what actually training failure looks like you can keep doing what you’re doing

[@WolfCoaching]

No problem Greg! Good stuff on the whole.

[@WolfCoaching]

Yeah, I can see the value in teaching people who aren’t training sufficiently hard to train harder, certainly 👊

[@geoffhamann8844]

This notion that most people don't train hard enough is unfounded and absurd. Goin within a couple reps of failure will produce nearly optimal hypertrophy and I would say the majority of lifters with any kind of meaningful experience do this. The people who just do to say they go to a gym or as a new years resolution probably don't train optimally, but to say they make up 95 percent of the gym population is absolutely ridiculous. Have you been to gym in the last 10 years??

[@ericsuperhawk]

Nah I can't get behind telling people to over train. They find that path pretty quickly on their own. Maybe hook Greg up with mind pump.

[@saludintegra]

I understand the "there´s no evidence for this and that" to a certain point. In fact, I´m pro evidence based fitness. However, I think that some times we should make more use of our common sense or of our biomechanical knowledge to deduce certain things (especially when there´s no direct evidence to refer to for those "certain things"). Two examples on this video are, #1: "doing dips more vertically", as Greg says, makes biomechanical sense, since you increase the triceps torque due to getting the elbows back during the descent (in the most hypertrophy stimulating part of the exercise, the stretching part). #2: "leaning forward while doing tricep pressdowns". Doing that allows you to maintain the elbows back (parallel to the torso) in the eccentric part of the lift, which we infer what could mean based on the evidence. Moreover, due to line forces, it reduces the help of shoulder extensors and adds more tension to the triceps during the movement.

[@hamudi4841]

Exactely this! It doesnt need a study that particularly proved, that you get more tricep grwoth by staying upright.

[@josephmoore977]

I agree. If I'm not mistaken, I believe there is currently a study being done into what constitutes proper technique since there are so many schools of thought about what is correct. I've always been the type of individual who performs a movement in the most biomechanically sound way possible, basing this off of the center of mass, bar path, greatest range of motion, while trying to utilize as much muscle mass as possible. Now I know this is more strength focused but it can still apply to some movements. There is just so much ambiguity as to what is right and wrong.

[@Shmuel_Aqui]

Another instance was when he said there’s no evidence for supersets being good for hypertrophy. There’s a paper from Schoenfield about minimal training where he literally recommends supersets.

[@Chr.Saint-Michael]

The dip is primarly a chest exercise , it doesnt matter how you angle yourself the chest will be the limiting factor and the trizeps reamain a secondary mover. Your medeal and lateral head will grow just as much no matter how you angle yourself it remains a pressing movement

[@SeleniumBalls]

It isn't a hypertrophy channel, but I'd like to see your take on squat university and how he feels about spinal flexion

[@Frag1ty]

Yea I would like to see that too. Depict squat university statements and compare it with what is actually proven by science.

[@catedoge3206]

What he thinks about pig spine carcass?

[@apo75018]

Squat U is so irritating it's unreal, especially with their parasitic way of using elite athletes to demonstrate their methods.

[@WhopperCheeseDota]

Squat U bad

[@slee2695]

King of nocebo

[@beirutbastard3878]

Honestly it seems like u were just looking for things to argue. When he said u should do dips straight, u said some ppl get wrist pain so its ok to do it diff... when he said its ok to do push downs without strict form cause it can cause pain for some ppl, u said he's fear mongering.

[@TheCCBoi]

This video was from the before times - when Greg actually gave workout advice and not a fitness drama channel.

[@Kalilloko]

Great content as always Thank you

[@Kyle-ys3cv]

It’s absolutely possible to do dips with a relative emphasis on chest and dips with a relative emphasis on triceps, and a decent portion of the difference is due to leaning forward vs not. Definitely.

[@kariusbaktus165]

Yeah, I use these two variantions of dips and thought it was pretty common knowledge.

[@Kyle-ys3cv]

@@kariusbaktus165 if there’s not a meta analysis demonstrating statistical significance, it can’t be true.

[@kariusbaktus165]

@@Kyle-ys3cv damit, it was just phantom gains all along.

[@slee2695]

Does the form change benefit outweigh the less weight you use?

[@Kyle-ys3cv]

@@slee2695 do you only do power lifting form bench for tris?

[@WhereArfThou]

Coach greg's voice keeping you big as hell

[@WolfCoaching]

Greg is cool! We just see things differently on some topics

[@Gerald999.]

​​​@@WolfCoaching No he's not cool. He literally knowingly scams his audience; he recently started selling & promoting Turkesterone again, even though he admitted previously it didn't even do anything after being caught for not even having the ingredient in his product. He now supposedly actually has it in his product and claims it magically works again. 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@Gerald999.]

​@@WolfCoachinghe's not cool. He scams his audience; see his recent promoting and selling of Turkesterone again, after previously admitting it doesn't work when caught for not having it in his product. He now supposedly has the ingredient in said product and now claims it magically works 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@espenstoro]

@@WolfCoaching He seems really cool in person. The yelling online persona gets exhausting, though.

[@justinhope3437]

Greg is a total clown. I don't understand how anyone can endure his content.

[@warrenhenning8064]

OMG that ROM at 2:32 is enough to make a grown man weep with joy

[@hakarlrs9817]

I don't care how well it stimulates hypertrophy, I am NOT doing my dips that deep lol

[@Marko-ij4vy]

5:12 I mean to be fair I do pushdowns to specifically focus on the lateral/medial heads. I do both overhead extensions and pushdowns.

[@LarryShipeWorld]

Liked before I watched 💪

[@magnus6231]

Hello Dr. Milo Wolf, is there a benefit to doing the overhead triceps extensions with your arm(s) raised completely ( like demonstrated in 5:31) versus keeping them in the scapular plain and or raised slightly over shoulder height ? Does the long head get stretched further the higher your arm is raised ?

[@xavierayayaell546]

Greg is the fitness "angry old man screams at clouds", complete fruit loop.

[@kaoscillate340]

I lean forward on most cable pushdowns to get a full range of motion but I think this is more due to where the handles/grip points end up relative to my body.: if I stand up straight on my setup at home my forearms are at a right angle to my body

[@Waggadudewagga]

This Doucette guy really has an unique voice. Imagine him singing "Ave Maria" on X-mas...

[@hatezbaszaras]

Hey Milo loved the insights! Why do you have an earphone during the shot? I thought it is your microphone, but you have mic in your shirt already.

[@kelgbrown007]

He agreed with you on your last point. He said you could do a pushup to create force production

[@FerintoshFarmsPhotography]

I was scared of situps. Can find a ton of videos and info about how situps are the worst and will ruin your back. Really was you, dr.mike and some people talking to me in your comments that convinced me I should try them. Been doing them for about a month, weighted and unweighted, and I gotta say my back and core just feel waaay stronger. Especially on movements like the overhead press.

[@loganwolv3393]

This is gonna be a good one, i'm feelin' it

[@WolfCoaching]

Thank you for the support 🙏🏻

[@Thejzzman4]

Skull crusher to close grip is an amazing combo, but I think simply pushing the skull crusher harder and doing partials when fatigued is better. I prefer skull crusher to overhead. It's more stable and the range of motion is better.

[@ariahemin1000]

I want to see more video about beyond failure because I am using skullsrusher super set to close grip technically drop sets have some evidence my line of reasoning is that is some sort of drop set (mechanical drop set) i only do one set beyond failure though. I am interested in knowing the validatity of my practice i am using your science recommendations and i am not disappointed ❤

[@neco5740]

6:00 Leaning forward is actually in my experience an important clue as is puts the lengthened position in a more loaded position. Still not optimal force curve. But better. I was just thinking that pulling the cable from behind the shoulder at a 90° to the ground might be a great exercise for short and medial

[@AaronTrainerFit]

Reviewing a video of his from 3 years ago doesn’t seem helpful since the science has exposed so much since then. I don’t like Greg much, so I’d like to see this on one of his newer videos Edit: he did a video 4 months ago with the exact same title. I feel like recently graduated Dr. Milo cherry picked a video from long enough ago that he could pick on it a bit more.

[@skellt]

When you say there's no direct evidence for the same muscle superset, I understand your point, but is it not quite similar to doing a drop set of the same exercise? It's effectively still allowing you to hit the muscle (sometimes in a slightly different way), with less internal load placed on that muscle so you can continue "past failure". Is that not very close to being a dropset?

[@roundup1253]

Agree with Greg on overhead DB extension. Feels awkward for me even with cable. Best longhead activation for me is standing skullovers with 2 ropes on cable tower

[@Kyle-ys3cv]

You’ve gotta be kidding me with this “isN’t eVidEnNceD by muH sCiencE” response to EZ bar > straight bar, vis-a-vis wrist pain. Anyone who’s done this exercise with both will agree with Greg’s statement. That there isn’t a study demonstrating it means ~nothing.

[@Biolo-G_KJ]

Not really man, I prefer the straight bar for tricep extensions. And I do 60kg for 10 reps.

[@Kyle-ys3cv]

@@Biolo-G_KJ you think the straight bar is easier on your wrists? You don’t.

[@Biolo-G_KJ]

@@Kyle-ys3cv I honestly don't feel a difference. However I feel my triceps way better on the straight bar.

[@Kyle-ys3cv]

@@Biolo-G_KJ okay, so you don’t disagree

[@Biolo-G_KJ]

@@Kyle-ys3cv I do cause you said everyone agrees with Greg that everyone should use ez bar and nobody should use straight bar for tricep extensions. Which I highly disagree with.

[@farblunjet14]

Is there any research that deals with my post below on triceps pushbacks?

[@10owenj]

The problem I have always had with the ‘beyond’ failure and failure discussion is that failure is almost arbitrary based on the weight and rep range you do. I.e. if I did a heavier weight for 8 reps to failure, I could then do a few more reps at a weight I would do 15-20 at. So, if I started with the 15-20 rep range then failure would technically be ‘further’ than in the previous example. Therefore one could easily suggest that going beyond ‘failure’ is no different than going to failure at a different rep range. Therefore should theoretically be beneficial.

[@KneeSlice1775]

The first example you gave has you going to failure twice

[@10owenj]

@@KneeSlice1775 I realise that, but clearly shows that failure is not a consistent concept and depends on the weight/reps you use. Therefore the point of ‘failure’ seems to be a further stage if you do more higher repetitions. Highlighting that failure is not consistent on different rep ranges, so failure at 8 reps versus 20 reps aren’t truly comparable. I just used the examples here as an easy way to conceptualise my point. Yes you’ve hit ‘failure’ twice but the comparison is that you could have gone much further with a lower weight in the first place.

[@4ZHWIN007]

Hi, Milo. What do you have to say about Chris Beardsley's research on lengthened training of the tricep, and the length-tension relationship, which seems to directly contradict what you have to say about lengthened partials?

[@michaelkulman7095]

Can you make a distinction between same muscle super sets and mechanical drop sets, I mean can you address the latter in terms of post failure additional work, extending a set.

[@kusqo23]

I would argue there is evidence that training beyond failure is more hypertrophic than training to failure, it's the one that suggests that training to failure is more hypertrophic than training close to failure. Because anatomically there's no such thing as "failure" and "beyond failure", it's "close to failure" and "even closer to failure".

[@bigkurz]

Training past failure = gains

[@samseguin3690]

Around 3:30, I don’t think Greg was “fear mongering”. He’s saying don’t lift like an idiot with your ego. I’m sure he agrees the body can handle a lot, just be sure and use good technique

[@BlackSpice]

There is a study on dropset when using tricep pushdown

[@pessumpower]

I think that the skullover + CG bench superset is not bad at all. When failing on the skullcrushers it's usually the long head that gives up, preventing medial and lateral head to get closer to failure, while the CG bench takes the fried long head out of the movements, allowing to reach failure proximity for medial and lateral, Any thought about this? Or it's faulty reasoning

[@user-fn1cd6mo9z]

Whoa whoa whoa...that first point at the beginning, when Greg was saying go past failure...those would be lengthened partial reps on that triceps extension. Dr. Wolf, you're not allowed to not advocate for lengthened partials.

[@TheSLK66]

In general, I'd like a video covering bracing. Bracing for different exercises, squat, deadlift, overhead press, even benching. It's not the same kind of bracing (if my understanding is correct) and engaging the core for each is different.

[@xIronwafflexx]

Off. He didn't say the dip would cause injury, he said ego lifting would cause injury. This video is already looking a bit shaky, but let's continue. Again with the claim of "fearmongering" in regards to pushdowns, he once again says that if it hurts YOU (the individual doing the exercise) to avoid it, which is smart advice. If something causes you pain, not discomfort, but pain, then it's probably best to avoid it to prevent injury until you can address the underlying problem. I'm starting to see a pattern in your videos, and it's that anytime anyone says anything about pain, you instantly say they are fearmongering. My only other criticism is reviewing a 3 year old video. I bet if you reviewed your own training methods from 3 years ago, you would give yourself a lower score than you would now. In the future, either look for a more up to date video of the person you are reviewing, or just don't make the video. You don't need to mill out terrible reaction videos each week just for the sake of content.

[@hunto53]

Greg's claim of "using too much shoulder" causing pain is absolutely fear mongering. It's just arbitrary to say "your shoulder can go this far back during a dip" and not evidence based. I agree with your point about older videos but I've also seen Greg's recent content and he's still pretty clueless about basic anatomy and physiology. Dude thinks squats work hamstrings lol.

[@xIronwafflexx]

He says if you load too much weight and ego lift when he's talking about potentially hurting your shoulder, which is fair and applies to any exercise, and the other exercise he literally says "if it causes YOU pain". The only thing that was shaky about his dip advice, is there isn't much research to backup leaning forward being worse than being more upright. As far as the squat thing, Milo has both said that squats and leg press are basically the same thing, and has stated that the leg press works the hamstrings. So you better call him out as well. I was in a video within the past two weeks if I remember correctly, but maybe I miss heard him. In regards to Greg's current vids, I have not kept up with him for almost a year. I do recall that almost all of his advice is beginner based, and not meant for 100% optimization, which IMO, trying to "optimize" is a waste of time if you don't have diet, sleep, and recovery down. @@hunto53

[@hunto53]

@@xIronwafflexx I agree with those points! It just seems to me like Greg is trying to advertise that there's a "correct form" that won't hurt your shoulders and that you can do it wrong (even without ego lifting). He's certainly said that doing exercises certain ways is injurious before and tends to promote nocebos for exercise. Haven't watched much of Milo's content but it's disappointing if he said that too. All the literature shows multi joint leg exercises having minimal hamstrings growth and it's just basic biomechanics regarding two joint muscles. I do respect that Milo generally uses research in his content though, whereas Greg is very bro sciencey and his only accolade is the powerlifting title he won before getting exposed for steroids. I just don't think Greg has ever been even a halfway decent source of information for lifting or nutrition.

[@elliottwhitticar2383]

I don't see much difference between Coach Greg's EZ-bar "over the head" skull crushers and the dumbbell "skull overs" you prefer, to be honest. Maybe I'm missing something? But you made good points about his inconsistency on the importance of locking out at the top.

[@tonytahti3421]

Not everything needs to have long study to show common sense. Wrist pain in skullcrusher is manytimes from shoulder rotation limit what makes wrist hurts cos it needs now more rotation under load. Ez bar bypass this.

[@trapps75]

Any overhead of any exercises for any bodyparts u never have to do will destroy your elbows and shoulders guaranteed no pressing ever. no matter what exercises you do for triceps all 3 heads work together u can't separate heads physically impossible all 3 attached to one tendon in elbow

[@Shmuel_Aqui]

“We don’t have the evidence to claim that supersets are a good idea for hypertrophy.” 18:50 Do you seriously believe that?

[@treckrunner711]

Cool video, I do like Greggs channel but you cleared up some areas for me which is good. I can continue to use certain exercises with confidence. Thank you.

[@paulgaras2606]

On the subject of going beyond failure; what is your opinion of myoreps?

[@rockyevans1584]

Imma guess he likes, its probably more stimulus for growth but added fatigue and lengthened partials probably carry a similar benefit with better sfr. Hope he answers

[@yiannisschmalz6574]

Wouldn’t leaning forward make it so that the perpendicular distance between the line of force and the joint would be greater in deep elbow flexion versus if you were standing straight up where the distance closes off when you reach deep ranges of elbow flexion. Maybe shitty wording, but I hope this was coherent.

[@AdamMikiewicz]

Long time watcher, first time commenting. More critiques on Coach Greg's exercise videos. Love both of you guys. Would love to see you review Jeff Cavaliere workouts as well. Keep up the great quality videos - you are a rising star. Work hard, stay humble.

[@pablov1323]

Dude that rom on dips. Incredible

[@DavidKolbSantosh]

Yea...great way to injure yer self, but hey, we don't wanna fear monger!

[@pablov1323]

@@DavidKolbSantosh not necessarily if you have the right shoulder joint mobility. If no pain no worries. I cannot go that deeper but if I could I would

[@DavidKolbSantosh]

Any expert will recommend to not go that deep! Jeff Nippard recommends a 90* angle with the upper arm and forearm and I think that is a wise recommendation. It may not hurt the first time...or after ten times/sessions, but accumulative stress on the shoulder like that will more than likely lead to injury in many if not most people. The benefit to risk factor is just not worth it! Anyone doing dips like that is begging for an injury! This guy keeps saying "fear mongering" yea ok wait till you get a tendon injury which can easily become chronic and then you'll be fear mongering!

[@slee2695]

​@@DavidKolbSantoshlet me guess..knees over toes is bad too

[@DavidKolbSantosh]

@@slee2695 Nope knees over toes is excellent its been proven to help loads of people, but still one has to progress, you can't just jump into it with that ROM and loads on it. Now the the shoulder joint is a very different joint than the knee joint, it is the most complex joint in the human body, and the kind of loads and volume used in body building is very different from a therapeutic exercise like knees of toes. I don't think you are considering what your suggesting here very deeply!

[@tastytucker981]

Great video as always! Tbf to Greg he did kind of correct himself and say resistance of some sort after he said you need weight. And I think this video is an old one before a lot of the lengthened bias stuff came about. But yeah other than that I agree it's not great but better than his newer stuff where he plugs his cookbook and boner pills every 20 seconds. Edit: I really shouldn't comment when there's still 30 seconds of the video left 😅

[@hjewkes]

Much better editting on this reaction video!

[@jamesgazeley]

He didn't say the peak contraction was better than the stretch. He was just talking about range of motion overall.

[@TheHybrid350]

Great

[@AdamB-oy8kn]

How old is this video of Greg?

[@mrAngusGus]

Milo's facial reaction when Greg said his #1 was SCs + CGBP supersets legit made me giggle 😆

[@ps3inquisition441]

Coach is right. Never argue with coach.

[@WiecznieNieNasycony]

GREG DOUCETTE=madhouse volunteer

[@juanps2721]

2:34 I didnt even know that was possible

[@ijmwpiano]

As much as everyone hates on tricep kickbacks, n=1 here, but I found them useful in developing a neurological component of strength development. Gaining lockout strength that carried over to my presses helped me finally hit my goal of 225 on bench. This was after stalling for almost a year, so I’m almost certain the tricep kickbacks made a difference in some neural aspect of strength.

[@canuckinfuts]

Haven't heard anyone outside of politics use the term "fear mongering" as a form of fear mongering... I kid, I kid

[@swordofhonor2]

If I have to choose between science and Coach Greg, it's Coach Greg all day...

[@Sunny-os7md]

Best comment so far in this video

[@lutovac_nikola]

So even tho you can google and see studies have shown tricep long head is mostly activated during press/pushdowns and they have the best leverage there you still seem to ignore that and advice otherwise just because of own beliefs..

[@dwigtschrude]

I think you might be a bit too critical sometimes with things that there's no scientific evidence one way or another. I think for the skull overs the easy bar will be a lot more comfortable for most people. Scientific studies are on the population level as well so giving a general recommendation to use the easy bar is going to work for most people if like in your example the majority of people out of a1000 find it more comfortable. Still a great video and informative as always. can wait to see you and pak join greg on the podcast!

[@jaijaiwanted]

Do you think ‘Dr. Milo Wolf’ would be a better channel name? There’s a lot of people that value PHDs greatly when looking for advice. Just a thought

[@bishboria]

Jesus the ROM on your dip (2:34) is insane. That would be goodbye shoulders for me.

[@josbartels882]

Please be aware of citing MDPI journals for your arguments.

[@farblunjet14]

Triceps pushbacks with a cable provides resistance throughout as well as the ability to do lengthened partials however restricted They seem to be very effective for the long head

[@overratedfool6900]

Your obsession with studies is way beyond reasonable. It's OK to extrapolate data or experiences out and apply them to other things. People just couldn't function in life without these capabilities, so your consistent use of phrases such as "I can't recommend that because it hasn't been studied." is just ignorant and childish. Try to be a complete human being, not a lame walking advertisement for your specific career. I have no issues with this video except the above BTW. I agree with almost everything you said, except the rating but you know what you did there.

[@abisheks2418]

@milowolf holy fuсkіng shit dude! The extension in the shoulder joint and flexion in the elbow is out of this world! Kudos!! 👏👏👏👏

[@roundup1253]

That’s a very old video from Greg

[@nashakowski]

greg saying not to lockout on the skull crusher, you disagree with that?

[@jernej.skoflek]

¸yes. if you elbows flare, then just let them flare. dont bother with that, just do a proper form eccentric concentric mind muscle connection and that it is!

[@kevinsmith3782]

Is it me or does this guy sound like Gilbert Gottfried?

[@glenoh88]

This crap about the best is annoying. It matters if you actually train a lot - 1-2 hrs a day, 6 days a week. If you train like it matters but you gotta feed the kids, walk the dog and wanna watch football on Sundays with the guys….just fucking do something everyday you can. Don’t buy the crap greg sells and don’t smoke/drink too much and do cardio. You will look good and be decently jacked. That run/lift basic shit works. Run a 7 min mile and lift decently heavy into your 50’s and you will be good

[@Mav646]

Is there studies that says taking tension off a muscle is superior? Of not then why do you keep saying there is no studies that say constant tension is better. Unless there is then I don’t see why you keep saying no studies prove this yet there are no studies that prove the opposite. Unless there is.

[@pavanchopra]

Excellent stuff.. do a review on Athlean X's latest video on bicep width, please..

[@Shmuel_Aqui]

This vid seemed nit picky without adding much value. I guess that’s the nature of react videos. This one wasn’t great but that’s ok. Looking forward to hearing you in the Stronger by Science podcast.

[@gokukakarot1855]

For the algorithm

[@MicrophoneAssassin13]

Roasting Coach Greg is like a rite of passage for the science-based fitness community...

[@peetos-chan2835]

👍👍👍

[@Kalilloko]

👏👏👏👏

[@robbo8074]

Why are you "reviewing" a video that is several years years old he's got more recent videos about how to build this or that muscle

[@StephenMarkTurner]

If you miss Gilbert Gottfried, you could listen to Greg I guess. :-)

[@evrenseven]

I commend you for simply making it through a Greg Doucette video with that voice. Like if Gilbert Gottfried wasn't funny

[@DaOtisElevator]

You don't need a study for everything lmao

[@jnbovee]

Im laughing my ass off, how the hell do you keep a straight face?

[@peetos-chan2835]

Better be careful mentioning him in your videos. He cries... alot.

[@DrSiddiqui]

Harder than the last time

[@user-ii7xc1ry3x]

Sweet. Let's get that algorithm going for Milo. 😆

[@peetos-chan2835]

@@DrSiddiqui 🤣😂

[@larupcki]

That's just the easiest target to critique! Greg Douchette could be proven wrong by a 10-year old. Challenge yourself next time, Dr. Wolf! Sky is the limit :)

[@ps3inquisition441]

I would say he has a million years of experience and you have bullshit papers.

[@georges6957]

this is one of your worst videos so far. In some points you are disagreeing just for the sake of disagreeing. Tell me how many people can do a behind the head skullcrusher or a pullover with a barbell without feeling discomfort on their wrists. Also, you re judging an old video of his, where the effect of the stretch wasnt even well known, or confirmed to the extent it is today.

[@WolfCoaching]

Literally the vast majority of people I’ve ever coached have no issues with barbell skullcrushers or pullovers. If you’re going to make a strong claim, you need strong evidence. I just don’t think there is strong evidence for that claim.

[@jockez3581]

I have a hard time liking him nowadays. He used to be much more serious. Back then he was talking with a normal, lower voice and being way more chill. Now he's just fake, whiny, sensationalistic and his main focus seems to be selling unproven supplements to younger guys. It's sad to see.

[@josho.9530]

I'm already awaiting Greg's defensive response. lol

[@SmoothHandle]

To be fair, Greg’s clip is 3 yrs old and, as we know, views change constantly as new research updates.

[@hunto53]

Fair point, but Greg still isn't familiar with basic hypertrophy science or anatomy/physiology.

[@sizwemagubane8381]

What came first, exercise science or getting jacked? The issue with putting exercise science on a pedestal above anecdote and personal feel for me is the fact that exercise science more often than not explains why something the jacked guys are doing works rather than informing it. This notion of, if it doesnt have evidence then it is irrelevant is absolute bs when it comes to working out for the reason i have mentioned

[@josho.9530]

Translation: "Anecdotal evidence isn't stronger than science and I'm mad about it." Science actually *does* inform to do it *better*. Wow.

[@sizwemagubane8381]

@@josho.9530 Last i checked people were getting jacked way before pubmed my boy, and it is from those guys' "anecdotal evidence" that even more people got jacked. Exercise science isn't all that 😒

[@trapps75]

Our bodies are all the same anatomy wise internally Greg doesn't know what he's talking about because he's a clown dips one of the worst works front shoulders more not a good exercise for triceps. Lying decline dumbbell extensions one of the best for triceps. Close grip triceps press works front shoulders and probably pecs and forearms more then triceps not a good exercise

[@rj43214]

It's scientifically proven that more dogmatic you are the bigger you get.

[@seank5714]

I hadn't paid attention to Greg because of all the dramaposting but good lord he's excruciating to watch.

[@minmaxwax]

Your dip looked like an injury maker. Considering it’s for triceps why do you figure full roming your shoulders is worth the risk?

[@WolfCoaching]

Do you have any credible evidence for dips being more injurious?

[@jaketaz2848]

The only thing it injures is my pride

[@ijmwpiano]

I dip with the same form. My shoulders are bulletproof.

[@minmaxwax]

I didnt say dips in general, I was commenting on the way you were doing them. Then I asked a legit question you didn't answer.@@WolfCoaching

[@slee2695]

​@@minmaxwaxhow would having good mobility be bad..lmao

[@Ivan_Mohnke]

Doucette, G. Is a masters in kinesiology so technically he’s an exercise scientist too

[@georgesxuereb]

Wow, what an annoying voice. Thanks Dr.Wolf for having to endure 21 minutes of his voice! 😢

[@tshortbull8683]

tried subbing and belling, gitta unsub

[@jasonneil101]

You know what. Science as far as training does not override experience. And kid that doesn't have a great Physique is just another issue. Someone is going to rip into this kid eventually on u tube.

[@319jmp]

Bending over in a tricep dip puts the longhead in a shortened position. That and similar movements like cable kickbacks and bench dips have helped build my longhead. Doucette says a lot of dumb things.

[@Antonio_Serdar]

Dips in general put the long head of the triceps in a shortened position since they consist of shoulder flexion.

[@319jmp]

@@Antonio_Serdar First, to put long head in shortened position it requires shoulder extension, not flexion. Flexion would be what you do in an overhead extension. Extension is when arm travels behind body. Second, you can perform a vertical dip in various ways. You can lean back and have arms in front of your body (shoulder flexion), straight down to sides, or behind you (shoulder extension).