Experimental Pre-WWI Ross .30-06 Machine Gun

[@seankeaney823]

“The strangest Ross you will ever see.” Why do I have the feeling that the ghost of Sir Charles just said “hold my tea” and in a year Ian will come across an even weirder Ross Rifle.

[@ScottKenny1978]

I'm pretty sure he did.

[@artemis_smith]

@@slaughterround643 I fear no man. But that *thing*? It scares me

[@hemidas]

Artyom called, he wants his gun back.

[@CenlaSelfDefenseConcepts]

if they make another metro they need to make this a Mod for the Valve

[@greedo69]

YOOO I WAS GONNA SAY THAT

[@peterdvornik]

Yo, that's my fav book!

[@Landsersajer]

Best call

[@AzelfandQuilava]

*Opppa, Artyomich!*

[@65Grndl]

I love the guns that go beyond just being weird and reach the level of "contraption".

[@emperorbunnybun7513]

Same here, such an interesting convertion and it fasinates me how it looks.

[@ScottKenny1978]

If you like those, check out the various converted bolt actions, like the Charlton Automatic Rifle. All the worky bits are outside the stock!

[@walkmanmash6776]

Friends: "The one where Ross creates a machine gun."

[@DxBlack]

The claps in the intro replaced by 4 bangs from a firearm...

[@arpytrooper2604]

@@DxBlack kzbin.info/www/bejne/bGW5kH6FaM6ehJI Here ya go, exactly what you wanted

[@forestcampbell8962]

Joey: "How you doin" Ross: "Fine if this contraption would cycle reliably".. Laughtrack...

[@tonymonktano4313]

WE WERE ON A MUZZLE BREAK

[@Ethzed]

Originally he went for a pivoting bolt but it kept jamming

[@mcqueenfanman]

The Bren & Sten had a baby. Time travel has to fit into the story somewhere.

[@vanadium1169]

the stren

[@TheWolfsnack]

Ahhh.....Sonny Crockett's favourite machine gun...the Bren Sten.....

[@MrLoobu]

In Canada, classic.

[@michaelmoorrees3585]

@@TheWolfsnack - If it belonged to Sonny Crockett, it would be painted Pink & lime green !

[@ScottKenny1978]

Let's blame The Doctor.

[@lakrids-pibe]

This must be the most steampunk looking firearm I've ever seen....

[@NUFIGHTER]

Right? Move over Cyberpunk 2077, get ready for Steampunk 1887!

[@ScottKenny1978]

Check out the Charlton Automatic Rifle. SMLE converted to full auto for WW2. Op rod and gas piston are off to the side.

[@paulshayter1113]

Just needs a little brass or bronze.

[@chubbycatfish4573]

Looks like an "assault rifle" from a Fallout game.

[@stc3145]

Or from Metro

[@germanwarrabbit]

I was about to say that

[@Immopimmo]

Or Borderlands

[@jm9371]

@@-RAYZ- It's the SPIKE LAUNCHER from Fallout 4!

[@advictoriamsshitposts8689]

Metro more than Fallout.

[@hodor292]

Imagine being a german soldier in your trench and seeing a canadian soldier running at you holding this... *thing*

[@EastBayFlipper]

Usually it only required a Canadian soldier charging to ruin a pair of lederhosen. An automatic rifle would just ensure the poor soldat wouldn't die from embarrassment.

[@tarmaque]

German soldier examines his sandwich made with ergot moldy rye: "Again vit de halluzinations. Hy haz gotz to getz de better bread!"

[@clothar23]

@@EastBayFlipper Was about to comment this. And yes this werid rifle would only be doing Hans a favour.

[@MrSaerrock]

@@EastBayFlipper Was going to say the same thing...

[@TheCoffeehound]

@@tarmaque "Vell, looks like the brott is kicking in."

[@cosmicderringer1824]

Man these retro experimental weapons are some of the coolest things in human history

[@donjones4719]

Ross knew Steampunk would become a thing.

[@cosmicderringer1824]

@@donjones4719 Ross is the original steam punk innovater, maybe even originally conceived it if not one of the few early people that did

[@Journey_to_who_knows]

I’m waiting for them to find a mg with a steam engine to power the auto fire

[@donjones4719]

@@Journey_to_who_knows Coulda been done with a ship-mounted Gatling gun.

[@nickverbree]

At 7:31 those are technically dovetail joints. That type of joint is actually a pretty common way to affix metal at right angles, similar to how early metal bodied hand planes were put together. Really interesting to see them on a firearm!

[@bastarddoggy]

I was scrolling the comments looking specifically for your remark. Now I know I'm not the only one saying to myself "But those are dovetail joints."

[@nickverbree]

@@bastarddoggy I'm glad to know I'm not the only one who scrolls through the comments to make sure I'm not repeating something!

[@maxschaeffner9005]

Imagine if the Canadians adopted it: “Private, you’re being promoted to machine gunner” “Oh thank god, I don’t have to use this shifty ross rifle” *gets this* “...well I probably shouldn’t have gotten my hopes up”

[@SaberViper]

[laughs in canuck]

[@Gameprojordan]

Everytime you picked it up the laugh track from Friends would play

[@alexreams1060]

"There's a gas port up here, obviously." *Søren Hansen Bang would like to know your location*

[@adriansaidan1736]

@@tomrothwell8433 found the redditor

[@kingalphawerewolf]

@@adriansaidan1736 “I like this comment and would like to indicate that” >You “Haha fuck that dude amrite what a weinie”

[@adriansaidan1736]

@@kingalphawerewolf Not sure what perception you have of a redditor is, but I personally have reddit and use it daily. I don't know of other social media that allows you to give special awards to comments. It seems like you are projecting your own feelings about reddit by assuming they are mine.

[@xXponyinthestarsXx]

@@adriansaidan1736 Steam community.

[@dikkekater]

*The glorious nation of Elbonia wants to know your location*

[@frederik5991]

It's an FG-14. Ross was ahead of his time!

[@nicolatesla9429]

If Ian posted this video on April 1st and told us it was a cancelled Star Wars prop I would still believe him.

[@YouCaughtCzars]

This is the Star Wars blaster I didn't know we needed. It's remarkable to me how only a couple years separate the Huot to this. The Huot actually seemed to be a reliable and very functional weapon that was put together for trials like this, and then we get this gangly thing.

[@5anjuro]

Probably the first (and the last) time ever anyone used plywood drawyers finger-joint method on a steel receiver.

[@joel_rigby]

Yet, a strong mechanical connection and easy assembly, disassembly. Not that bad of idea all told. Maybe it should be used again.

[@GARDENER42]

By 'eck, that's different! This is exactly the content which makes Forgotten Weapons so interesting.

[@joem5332]

That joint isn’t a mortise and tenon, it’s dovetail. Just so you know.

[@vezir382]

Came here to say the same thing

[@tarmaque]

@@vezir382 Ibid

[@samwalker5112]

Searched the comments for this.

[@dutoyboy1]

#metoo was coming in strong to drop my knowledge too

[@worldtraveler930]

I am not seeing a Dovetail on this rifle just mortise and tenon joints.

[@evansn79]

"hey man, you're good with woodwork, can you make us a stock for this gun?" "sure thing..." Two days later an exhausted woodworker arrives with a gun held together by dovetail joints with morris and Co wallpaper and some lovely coving.

[@skullhammer9899]

I'm surprised this wasn't shoehorned into Battlefield 1

[@Fluoguy]

Tfw your gun is so obscure that even BF1 devs have never heard of it.

[@Spudtron98]

I think one Ross automatic conversion was enough.

[@philllax1719]

Dice asked Ian what to put in it, Ian hadn't seen it yet

[@SickBoyBiff]

Its because Ian hadnt done a video on it yet. Most of these shooters dont have one offs in them until ian does a video then the next ww1 or ww2 game has that gun in iy

[@Vladiator]

Hinestly, it would be amazing if they made a BF1-2 (good lord not this name) adding all the weapons and stuff Ian has covered since. We need more games covering funky prototype weapons. I still miss my baby, the XM8 not being in games anymore

[@thomasmcfaul875]

Always love when you come up here to Ottawa to shoot videos, and yes the tank room in the War Museum is the best

[@tekumeku2244]

Still rather cool to see the level of ingenuity of people to experiment with proven tech to try and improve it, even if it doesn't work out. And considering that Britain still had a number of Martini-Henry rifles on hand at this point it makes sense to reach out and see if you can find a replacement

[@pattonorr7572]

KZbin going down :( Ian’s scheduled Monday morning video still uploading :)

[@TheMrPeteChannel]

The power of Gun Jesus!

[@MrSaerrock]

As it is written, so it shall be

[@TheMrPeteChannel]

@@MrSaerrock Amen.

[@straightshootingtalk6715]

Thanks for the Canadian content, Ian! I was aware of the Huot conversion, but this is all new to me. Great find! Cheers, Dean

[@janwacawik7432]

Gee, I wonder what treats is Ian keeping for this Christmas. Last two years really spoiled us.

[@oldesertguy9616]

Exactly the type of weapon that keeps me watching this channel.

[@Orzorn]

This gun is insanely steampunk without even attempting to be so.

[@panzerkampfwagenviiimaus9571]

Me: "looking for strange guns" Ian: Hold my huot automatic rifle.

[@pieman12345678987654]

This looks like something that would be straight out of metro 2033

[@robertlogan9682]

Nice to see you here in Ottawa. That thing is a beast. I can only imagine the stress put on the moving parts

[@Pellucid_Sage]

*Dice taking notes for its next battlefield game*

[@cautiousdaredevil]

Hope you got out of Ottawa before the -20c hit us haha, Love this museum!

[@craigharness3156]

This is the stuff we come here for!!!

[@thegael1996]

Suppose it a good thing this rifle didn't go anywhere as the Martello Tower might have been rubble by now.

[@thegoldencaulk2742]

You had me at "Ross"

[@korbetthein3072]

That mad lad made all the kookiest guns!

[@Jake_J_M]

At 7:30 you called the joinery mortise and tennon, actually those are dovetail joints, also used in carpentry but typically more for cabinetry while the mortise and tennon would be for framing structures in the old post and beam style construction

[@dougler500]

Honestly, not bad, I'm impressed. The front end and rear end are solid and robust looking, same with the gas system. Two major things stand out to me for correction and they would both be 'easy' fixes. All I can see that really needs to be done here is offer this with an 8-12 round mag instead of 25 (lol that's insane for the time period and calibre) and then just tidy up the openings in the rear and tack on a dust cover. That would look pretty mean with a solid receiver, some nice blueing and a smaller mag.

[@michelguevara151]

*dovetailing, not mortice and tennon, a cabinet maker's method, not a joiner's method. thanks for uploading, Ian, I love the experimental stuff.

[@SuperCrazf]

The Ross is just the thing that never stops surprising everyone. No matter how blessed or cursed it’s the gun

[@DeliveryMcGee]

The woodworking term for that sort of joint is dovetails. Mortise and tenon is rectangular pegs in rectangular holes.

[@51WCDodge]

Really it is not only a prototype, its a demonstrator as well. You can see not only that it works, but how it works.

[@kbjerke]

Thank you for preserving this important artifact in the digital vault!!!

[@alucardvigilatedismas2868]

Canadians: Look how they massacred my boy 😭

[@korbetthein3072]

Ross to the Canadians: it's my rifle and I can do whatever I want with it! *Angry door slam* Ross was a very angry man.

[@korbetthein3072]

@ more like using a historical site as a target....... which Ross also did.

[@gjgaming2133]

@@korbetthein3072 actually? This man is insane

[@korbetthein3072]

@@gjgaming2133 Ian has a short series of videos on stuff he's responsible for. If the Ross rifle was involved, so was Ross.

[@korbetthein3072]

@@gjgaming2133 Oh an WAS is the correct tensing, all of this is circa 1890s through 1910s.

[@JoramTriesGaming]

First FW video which KZbin's elected to not notify me of. Excellent content as always, Mr McCollum.

[@p-torias8040]

My boy is at one of my favourite museums of all time. The collection there is insane

[@ralphdials1688]

Frankenstein called..... he wants his machine gun back.

[@ARRESTEDPAIN]

The Ross. A gift that keeps on giving.

[@TactaGhoul]

This has to be the coolest automatic rifle I've ever seen. Ever.

[@L.J.Kommer]

Replace the magazine with a fantasy scope and this would make a cool blaster for a Star Wars game

[@frankishe5631]

Knowing the Ross, it was select fire in that the rifle would select whether it fired, fired the whole magazine, or did nothing until you used an entrenching tool to pry back the bolt so you could find the speck of dirt that jammed it

[@jm9371]

Another awesome video about a gun I never heard of..... Thanks Ian!

[@johnfisk811]

So many tries on pretty well every straight pull to tap it for gas operation but none ever taken up but all are so clever. Thank you for this look at the beatsie. BTW dovetail joints not mortice and tenon but that is my pedantry - sorry, I can't help myself.

[@Malagar1]

Ooh a unique and bizarre rifle, exactly the thing I subscribed to this channel for.

[@duceanahalf]

@7:23 those would be more accurately described as dovetails. Mortise and tenons are more of a rectangular peg in a rectangular hole

[@kippamip]

This is the ultimate bare bones weapon. No frills here.

[@iancole85]

Really lovely wooden hand guard. Super cool gun.

[@remcodenouden5019]

Every steampunk pre-WWI or WWI experiment you post makes me cry a little because it could've been in BF1... Would've been so cool to see

[@rautavaara9194]

The average Forgotten Weapons video is cool, but these weird unicorn guns are where this channel shines.

[@ryanwilson_canada]

Next time I'm in Ottawa I'll have to stop in. Not that I go very often as I'm on the Atlantic coast. Still neat to learn of the museum's existence.

[@jakobholgersson4400]

For the 1910's, this looks pretty darned modern. If I didn't know what this was, I'd have guessed it was probably something intended to replace the BAR and/or BREN.

[@Jason-fm4my]

Been to a lot of museums, and the CWM is one of the best.

[@K-Bobs-Safari]

Hell yes to 30-06 with that stock

[@TheFreedomConcept]

Imagine if there was some indie gun manufacturer who worked with Ian and reproduced some of these one off firearms he checks out. This thing so crazy looking, I'd love to have one in my collection.

[@History_Coffee]

This looks like some crazy 1970s free Derry garage build.

[@Bravohalo]

Anticipated 90% of assault rifle features 40 years early.

[@MM-lv8ib]

What a beautiful example of prototyping

[@scooterdogg7580]

that's truly a "forgotten weapon" cool

[@dumptrump3788]

0:12 "We're up here in... Ottawa, taking a look at the strangest Ross you'll ever see!" 0:14 Someone is already making it an option for "Call of Duty, Steampunk Wars":

[@wesleygay8918]

Well, as mark novak would say, "let's go down the rabbit hole!'

[@max333463]

One of the coolest forgotten weapons ever.

[@warmongerhero]

This has to be one of the coolest looking failed experiments. This now needs to be in a video game somehow.

[@itsconnorstime]

This is what happens when a Sten gun and a Breda modello 30 have a baby which is then raised by Cobray.

[@ScottKenny1978]

😆😂😆😂😆😂😆 You win the comments section today!

[@marcosdarcy2221]

It's got such a cool Art Deco look to it!

[@The_Professor_]

“WAIT! They’re all Ross rifles?” “Always have been”

[@the902giant]

Go figure it’d be a Canadian gun video that saved KZbin :)

[@jaylavine4552]

Ian wicked awesome first time ever seeing one thank you great video

[@capemarinesurvey6561]

Ian, it's dove tail, not mortise and tenon.

[@generic_tylenol]

Well, he *is* Gun Jesus, not carpentry Jesus, aka regular Jesus

[@JAISE1994]

Just when I thought Charles Ross' designs couldn't get any weirder...

[@Shadow_Hawk_Streaming]

The dovetail joints would be very reminiscent of woodworking "infil" planes, where in the early days of using steel in planes for woodwork they would have a sole plate and 2 side plates mounted together in this manner with blocks of wood in the middle (hence being called infil planes) to make up the main body, he interesting to know if that was why he chose the design over others, because there were already factories tooled to make such cuts that wouldn't be making planes in wartime

[@SlickJim2]

Although from a whole another place and time, this kind of has that bastard gun vibe from the Metro series

[@mididoctors]

The man sure likes experimental automatic rifles

[@maxterchefe]

This, I dont know what this is. This gun makes me feel things I didn't know I could feel

[@stamfordly6463]

More evidence that, contrary to popular myth, the British Army was looking for more rapid firing high capacity guns before WWI. They just wanted something more portable than the Vickers.

[@Simon_Nonymous]

Thank you for posting my own thoughts!

I know France had semi auto prototypes, but i never thought if there were british examples, tho i'm not surprised

[@magnusskipton7067]

This rifle is so confusing that i was watching the video upside down for a solid 3 minutes

[@rediius]

Fired 308 rounds? This gun was ahead of its time.

[@countrywestern2272]

Great episode🎸🎸🎸

[@Rubenbauer80]

The screen looks like a gun Jesus home shopping network.

[@Rubenbauer80]

@@WoobsBallJesse you know now that you mention it that would be pretty awesome haha.

[@penumbraenigmatica3252]

🍁🍁🍁 thanks Ian...!! Merry Christmas, sir...!! 🍁🍁🍁

[@UHCredhead]

Lovely stuff, Ian would be nice to see you shoulder these weapons

[@catcherinthesky]

I wan't to see a quality built replica of this beauty in silver and mahogny.

[@ScottKenny1978]

Gotta add some nice brass parts for the proper steampunk aesthetics.

[@Alpha.Phenix]

The only thing I can think of when seeing that handguard is Borderlands.

[@Guarsdman]

From the orientation of the gas tube in those period photos it looks like the action was flipped on that example only by 90° not full 180° compared to the one Ian is presenting.

[@geGNOME]

I get the distinct impression that Ross's response to the letter asking him to enter the trial was "Ah, fuck it. why not?"

[@bishopyokubaitis8691]

Oh, how long I've waited for a video on this... er, thing. Ever since his Instagram post with it from like a year ago, I've been in search of information about this thing thinking that it was the elusive Hotchkiss Automatic Rifle. But alas, it was a Ross after all!

[@Pcm979]

Tool room guns have such a distinctive look to them. I love it.

[@xyzpdq1122]

So futuristic that we still haven't caught up

[@jaspercorbyn8678]

@ 7.20 ish ; Mortice & tenons, Ian? Dovetails, man! And compound ones at that...sweet. Your omni-halo is slipping, Gun-Jeebers. Doh!

[@rhinehardt1]

Luckily, that's as far as it went.

[@somebrains5431]

Ross engineering is what happens when you have barrels of fermented maple syrup and a dark winters with nothing to do.