Explaining Game & Watch's Weird Hitboxes (Smash Ultimate)

[@briangeer1024]

Melee upsmash: head invincible, forgot the nose Ultimate upsmash: THE WHOLE THING

[@dary3]

Making sure they dont do the same mistake twice

[@MiaoNya]

"How much invincibility should G&W have on Up-Smash?" "Yes."

[@pintitledploose9484]

I miss melee game and watch

[@timoijas5316]

To be fair Melee Game and Watch is a real shitshow. His shield doesn't cover his hurtbox at all, he has by far the worst spotdodge in the game (20 vulnerable frames after spot dodge) and is the only character who has aerials that can't be L-canceled. These are speculated to be because he was made in a hurry based on Mario but they didn't have time to fix the problems for him.

[@Atheist_1940]

OMG on up tilt his hands are invincible he's broken

[@NearSmash]

Getting a 3 on Judge does move the opponent behind you but it also does a lot of shield damage

[@zephyr1741]

huh, neat

[@BioBotProductions]

It’s still not a nine

[@LuminixsGameGallery]

Imagine hitting that on the Links and Hero their shields just disappear for the rest of the match.

[@theblevinator]

@@LuminixsGameGallery that would be cool, but really overpowered, because you could fish for 3's instead of 9's

[@rubberwoody]

It's essentially just a fan hit

[@Zapdos_777]

We need pit’s pitiful hit boxes Edit: we did it bois

[@yisakmulugeta4147]

Evan Emerson may god bless you

[@straxan]

@@yisakmulugeta4147 *Palutena

[@yisakmulugeta4147]

Jacob goddess speed my brother

[@bhull242]

Might as well include Dark Pit while we’re at it for a comparison.

[@yisakmulugeta4147]

bhull242 nigga pit

[@motxmod]

As far as misspelled coding is concerned, "noamal" is better than "teather".

[@JulieLamia]

What character has "teather"?

[@motxmod]

@@JulieLamia, the xenomorphs on Aliens: Colonial Marines had the word "tether" misspelled in their AI and it completely broke them.

[@awesomedude5558]

@@motxmod Yup. I heard that, too. Explains the hate towards the game. And explains why the AI looks like it sucks.

[@goldenprism15_Alter]

@@awesomedude5558 the thing is that it was discovered years later. the hate for the game came from the visual downgrade and the awful gameplay, which is solved by modifying that one word in the code.

[@N12015]

Good thing the code is programmed to do nothing when misspelled. I know games with game breaking glitches, and while the first 3 games are a bit broken, is not that bad compared to games like Sonic 2 for genesis.

[@noahvapor]

His dash grab is because he stops all momentum before grabbing. Many characters move with it.

[@Phychologik]

Noah Hight Za warudo?

[@Extreme11]

Musicman928 haha you said the funny Jojo reference

[@wj11jam78]

@@Phychologik What relevance does this have to time stop?

[@chad2687]

@@wj11jam78 all momentum stopping.... R://Whoosh

[@wj11jam78]

@@chad2687 Momentum stopping has nothing to do with time stopping. Also, I clearly got what he was referencing, because I know the world stops time.

[@stoked-6996]

3 does a good amount of shield damage

[@theblackbasketball]

0 Spy pfp is cursed

[@castroller1358]

Still situational....VERY situational.

[@esqimo6647]

6 is also good, it sends at a horrifying angle and kills pretty early.

[@brittanysqueech]

also, 4 has a slashing effect

[@fnafcreep8312]

He forgot to say that...

[@The_Mister_E]

It's a shame G&W turned in his mastercard for terrorism. At least Franklin is still here!

[@nickh8711]

Imagine not naming this video "Explaining Game & Watch's Goofy & Weird hitboxes"

[@HaydenTheEeeeeeeeevilEukaryote]

I only just now realized the naming convention on these videos

[@Yukon_83]

Yes

[@michaeljfan9720]

Like for the Banjo and Kazooie video it was 'Bulky And Keen'

[@CoolGamer-oq4gn]

No

[@thomasdarista2782]

I feel you're underestimating d-tilt. Sure, it's got lackluster hitboxes and a long ass end lag, but it comes out pretty quick, launches at a very low angle, and has a knockback growth to make it a devastating kill move.

[@julioarcaiko]

I was thinking the same thing. I was thinking of all the times I’ve been screwed by it.

[@juanjuanero5834]

You can also confirm it from fallin nair, you can also confirm with ftilt but dtilt will kill earlier.

[@louray41]

It's literally the strongest dtilt in the entire game by kill power and, being frame 6, is pretty fast at that

[@shriki21]

Not to mention its usually his best option off of parry from mid percent on

[@juanjuanero5834]

@@shriki21 Also a great option to punish a missed dash grab, also g&w can crouch to evade some grabs

[@NamelessGamer29]

I still miss the credit card forward air.

[@nonahedrix]

It was good but i feel bomb fills a niche he didnt have before

[@CoolFer3]

Nonahedrix he doesn’t have a forward air anymore because you cat hit it and it does nothing

[@nonahedrix]

@@CoolFer3 Youre a bad gnw if you cant get fair bomb to hit.

[@Pineapple-hx9ty]

@@nonahedrix if you use it to challenge any move you lose. it's just bad.

[@nonahedrix]

@@Pineapple-hx9ty ???Thats why you dont use it to challenge??? Its a setup and baiting tool

[@cornellsmith587]

“Or is the truth more three dimensional?” Damn that was a good ass line

[@obeythemelon]

"This move is really good." *Me, remembering the frustration facing opponents spamming said move:* "I am aware."

[@nible8055]

4:20 Marth: oh that's were my grab went

[@moronribbons5774]

I never noticed dsmash lacked hit effects. Kinda funny to think the devs missed that

[@cubekcahn9689]

I just can't get over the fact that he looks like he's just screaming in almost all of his moves when you remove the objects.

[@achooblessu9501]

Lol

[@splungerino]

@@kwisowofer9872 yes

[@jaredneves2956]

Anyone else notice how the game and wach in the visualizations is in 3D?

[@Luna19912]

Yeah, it is in gameplay too. The model just changes to 2d in the pause menu.

[@Zeutomehr]

@@Luna19912 no, g&w is rendered in 2d during gameplay, too

[@Luna19912]

@@Zeutomehr I thought I heard that it was somewhere.

[@Zeutomehr]

@@Luna19912 iirc, there are some mods for smash 4 that have g&w rendered in 3d. and it looks absolutely hideous D:

[@Zeutomehr]

@@Luna19912 but I recalled incorrectly; it was melee: kzbin.info/www/bejne/p4m5dWWHmLeEpbs (and I now don't think it looks thaaat bad, just unusual)

[@JuiceBoxWizard]

"3D Game and Watch isn't real, he can't hurt you." 3D Game and Watch:

[@PirateStack2693]

The 3D game and Watch renders hurt me.

[@radaf4429]

Dtilt is a really strong kill move with a nasty angle

[@JulieLamia]

Doesn't it send horizontally?

[@radaf4429]

@@JulieLamia Yeah pretty much

[@kidkoopa6389]

Almost diagonally down at high percents off the side of the stage

[@AffyMoon]

And we all know how we feel about strong horizontal moves

[@nisshoku1036]

Up B: inflict mental damage to the opponent

[@Phychologik]

_G.& Watch’s upward S’Becial_ (Legendary Art) Unique passive: _Framedata of the gods;_ Add 10 to this move’s movement priority when used. This casts the “shook” debuff when it connects. Unique passive: _Unpunishable;_ make the user _Invulnerable_ for the next two turns. Launches the user up 7 meters. User can act normally after this art, except they attempt to use this art again before they touch the ground. (In this case, the art is uncastable) _Shook:_ inflicts 2+D6 mental damage. Physical damage: 1+D4

[@SeriousStriker]

Imagine having a player so good, that even if you have a small playerbase, you're still considered high/top tier. This post was made by the Game and Watch/Pac Man/Pikachu gang. Also do Palutena's hitboxes pls.

[@Zapdos_777]

Palutena’s plentifully hitboxes

[@williamwhitby5759]

Pac actually has a few notable players

[@SeriousStriker]

@@williamwhitby5759 Ok but let's face it, Tea is the only Pac-Man main getting top 8 consistently in the metagame, he's the only reason people think he's high/top tier. Not Sinji.

[@ioncavegrandma9256]

Melee Yoshi and Pikachu as well

[@mehgamer467]

The joker, zss, fox gang too. A lot of characters have solo representation or maybe 2 at the highest level

[@oireal7261]

5:20 Heh, fish

[@glacierwolf2155]

Dash Grab on other characters: Clicking the "combo me" button. Dash Grab on G&W: REWARDED!

[@destructor2963]

That's an actually nice comment

[@Calicobel-256]

Down B: "Its pretty solid." Anyone: "I THOUGHT OIL WAS LIQUID"

[@sideofjay]

4:37 Why is he 3D? *WHY IS HE 3D?*

[@mr.nazareth4501]

cause he's not actually 2d, he's just got a flattened 3d model. like that one stage that makes everyone flat, game and watch has that rendering effect all the time

[@timoijas5316]

He's a 3D character with a 2D shader slapped on him.

[@angrypepe7615]

@@timoijas5316 nope the game instead sets the thickness of his model to a really low value and it makes G&W appear to be flat. This is easily testable by looking at him in camera mode. This is also what happens in 2d stages like gameboy dreamland.

[@graysonwells21]

Angry Pepe: you can also prove this by making him Metal, pause the game, and just look at how the reflections and lighting affect and interact with the model.

[@MaxWelton]

10:51 7 is the Lucky Seven, which is used to smash Colony Flame Clocks.

[@mudalubricant9603]

Ken's hitboxes? I'm always curious about how I can KO characters behind me with his half circle kick. And that you seem very reliable as a source for revealing the characters' hitboxes. Keep up the great work!

[@heruhcanedean]

Down tilt might have a small hitbox, but a well timed the ledge guard with that jank launch angle you can kill characters with bad recoveries.

[@outofthecoral]

Rekzius has officially run out of adjectives to describe the weird hitboxes

[@ShinSHOGO]

Because of her relative unpopularity, I’m assuming that we are NEVER going to get a Samus video...

[@clawwhite548]

「Saito」 because of her “fun” gameplay

[@ShinSHOGO]

Claw White The hilariously stupid thing is there’s characters far more “campy” than her, like Villager, PAC-MAN, Sonic, Snake, etc. And yet they don’t get anywhere NEAR as much hate as her.

[@clawwhite548]

「Saito」 well I always se hate about pac man, sonic and snake but really Samus is pretty lame to play against

[@diogoayres7953]

@Chase Wakelin Samus'... spacial hitboxes? screwed hitboxes?

[@zombyjano]

@@clawwhite548 Samus can be fun if you play her aggressively, but Smash is filled with peanut brains that mash the b button.

[@spectacledman]

6:21 G & W be like AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[@MaxWelton]

5:20 fishing for combos…with fish. Wow.

[@crocketonfire1595]

4:36 WHY DOES HE LOOK 3D

[@nonahedrix]

Gnws model is actually 3D, there is a rendering effect applied to him to make him look 2D, all of the transformations for his moves are actually 2D tho, there are sm4sh mods to make gnw 3D as well as to make everyone else 2D

[@kermitsudoku6446]

g&w has the most perfect hitboxes. not too big and not too small. exactly how it looks on screen and then comes his up smash

[@Atheist_1940]

All his smashes are jank

[@m3rcgaminghd]

5:37 me complaining about Jigglypuff's Rest. This was made with salt

[@nacl4988]

Judge-3 does an unholy amount of Shield damage, Like over half the shield. DownTilt is pretty good for getting people off stage, and low to follow up with Forward/down air to kill. Good knockback and low angle

[@EPMTUNES]

Important to note: using 3 does a ton of shield damage. Almost the same as pound.

[@1AmGroot]

Todoroki: Half-cold half-hot Game & Watch: Hold my beer

[@poorstork7373]

I made up a combo with his up tilt after the second one you jump and do a back air it has worked for me alot

[@toastfish4038]

I don’t remember exactly where I learned this, but the reason G&W looks weird sometimes during the hitbox visuals, it’s because in normal game, he’s technically 3D. In camera mode, his model changes into 2d. You can see this effect best by either becoming metal with the metal box, getting inked, or by probably the best option, just land Terry’s final smash on him. It looks really weird. There are probably more ways to do this, but whatever.

[@aidenbar511]

Top 9 judge hits 9. 1, 2 damage to them, 12 to you, no knockback, enough said. It's one redeeming Quality iS THAT if you got someone I shield break them won't get out, and if you got someone who missed their recovery they won't be saved. 8. 2, Basically 1 but not nearly as bad. However, if you got someone in shield break or helpless fall they will get out, making it sometimes worse than 1. 7. 4, HAH, you thought this was going to be 3, didn't you? Well 4 is really nothing special at all. 6. 5. It's 4 but actually decent 5. 3. It looks weak on first glance, but it's not bad at all. The reverse launch can throw opponents off, but that is not the main attraction of the attack. It deals a lot of shield damage, potentially stunning opponents even better than down smash if it breaks a shield 4. 6. Unlike 2, 4, and possibly 5, 6 succeeds at it's job of a simple, threatening attack. It hits once, deals a good amount of damage, kos pretty darn well, and moves on. No real gimmicks except for cool fire,but it will excels anyway. 3. 8. Freezing is pretty decent if you're good at making predictions, but lack of knockback makes it just good. 2. 7. Deals good damage, knockback, and heals, it's like a reverse 1! 1: 9 just 9. All the downright terrible, mediocre and just ok hits are made up for by this price of art. Every game and watch player knows the rush of pure bliss and satisfaction when you hear the ring, see the 9 and watch that beautiful hammer gracefully smack down on the opponents helpless hotboxes on the last stock. It's like God himself looking down and telling you, "go ahead, pop off, throw your controller up in celebration, you did it, you won.". Once that 2 dimensional weapon connects with your enemy, you both know that they can't do anything. As you ride off into the sunset like the end of an epic western after shooting the robber in the heart, the TO telling you it was only the first game, you just smile and say under your breath, "gg ez".

[@andypang1677]

Nah 6 is totally the second best, the 12 percent healing of 7 basically doesn’t matter and can often get you punished for it, and 8 is basically useless. The only reason why Lucas has a good freeze is because of its crazy knock back, and Icies use it for combos when they are de synced and with their multi hi utilt 6has good kill power and a disgusting angle

[@charKT-7461]

Judge 6 is the second best because it has usable knockback and it sends at a nasty semi-spike

[@pichuflash2769]

Imagine thinking Game and Watch down tilt and forward tilt are bad moves. They come out nearly instantly and send at great angles. Same with his smash attacks.

[@nonahedrix]

Oh F tilt is easily one of his best kill options at high percents

[@seungkwanbot3203]

Pit next, lord knows he needs some sort of exposure

[@TaranKing]

3:40 was that a game and watch T-pose when link did a down throw

[@red-man7017]

Something to note about bucket though: it has a weak spot from above and a direct hit can negate the bucket...its very difficult to land though due to the reflective properties.

[@myssledissle]

Title Could've been "Watch me explain Game and Watch's Gigantic Hitboxes" to keep with the usual naming trend

[@grukmccrymyselftoosleep7098]

MyssleDissle game & watch’s giagantic & weird hitboxes

[@PocketHealer21]

Hah. Neutral air can "fish" for combos

[@crazykitten8260]

And it even has "splash" damage too!

[@the_bookworm8281]

It would be interesting would to analyze Pac-Man's hitboxes. Moves that stay out for so long and moves that are absolutely huge (hello down air!). It would also give us some insight on how much better his grab is in this game than in SSB4.

[@claytons4690]

In melee, G&W can't roll the same 2 numbers in a row when he uses the judge meaning s good strat to improve your odds of getting a nine is to side B prior to an engagement. Is this the same in ultimate?

[@kidkoopa6389]

Correct

[@YeetZmeN]

No, but it is similar. Basically Melee but it’s only 1 number instead of 2.

[@daywalker3735]

Dude this channel is so amazing!!!! How do you not have a million subs????

[@frosslad26]

Probably alone on this but I'd like to see you cover Mii Gunner

[@mordykinz4228]

I really wanna see down air.

[@tywo2]

Nobody: Rekzuis: 3D GAME AND WATCH

[@MikeDaddy]

This character is so strange but it works

[@minecraftperson8412]

6:21 why does he look like he's doing a kamehameha

[@ZoofyZoof]

Game & Watch just does NOT need a landing hitbox on his down aerial... that shit gets me every time I try to punish it.

[@vecvecvec]

you can try to parry the landing hit, or keep holding shield and try to read what he does next

[@waynemidnight7454]

Ngl, I was hoping he'd go over G&W's throws, and how similar they all look to one another, despite sending in different directions (or farther upwards, in regards to Down throw and Up throw)

[@osazen6558]

It feels so wierd seeing the game & watch model when it isn't flattened.

[@user-ro9md9wp3j]

Why are you hating on down tilt? It's faster and does more knockback than F tilt, and can be a better option in plenty of situations

[@vecvecvec]

im not sure if it has more knockback, its just in a different direction which sets up for edgeguarding and stuff

[@snaxa163]

@@vecvecvec I think it has more knockback and because of its low launch angle it kills well

[@vecvecvec]

@@snaxa163 yeah, i know it kills better but wasnt sure if the knockback was technically more

[@morganpriest7726]

Chair can be used extremely fast out of upsmash. Just tell em to take a damn seat

[@Phychologik]

_G.& Watch’s upward S’Becial_ (Legendary Art) Unique passive: _Framedata of the gods;_ Add 10 to this move’s movement priority when used. This casts the “shook” debuff when it connects. Unique passive: _Unpunishable;_ make the user _Invulnerable_ for the next two turns. Launches the user up 7 meters. User can act normally after this art, except they attempt to use this art again before they touch the ground. (In this case, the art is uncastable) _Shook:_ inflicts 2+D6 mental damage. Physical damage: 1+D4

[@vecvecvec]

is this a d&d joke or something or like pathfinder cause the syntax is weird

[@limerplaz8208]

G&W dash grab feels like they forgot to nerf it like they nerfed every grab in ultimate!

[@almostdangerous1412]

I just played kingdom hearts III and realized that game and watch has a key blade. Honestly if they reveal sora they should use that in the reveal. Not sure how it would be referenced best though.

[@xolotltolox7626]

At this point it's the χ-Blade, with how good the move is

[@jimboslim]

I miss Smash 4 G&W aerials

[@flamingpaper7751]

With his new buffed Up Special being super good out of shields, it would be too op if he still had his old F-air

[@jimboslim]

@@flamingpaper7751 That makes sense. I still miss spamming the hell out of old up airs and dairs

[@flamingpaper7751]

@@jimboslim Remember when his down tilt had a windbox and you could juggle people forever if they fell slowly?

[@TheDemonChara]

Imagine combo-ing Up-Special out of shield into a Smash 4 Up-air... oof.

[@flamingpaper7751]

@@TheDemonChara That would only really work at high enough percents where they would be above you, and directly above you at that. Would be brutal tho

[@rxcloutier4779]

down tilt sends almost straight forward so it can kill sooner than chair in some scenarios.

[@DoctorFalchion]

I never noticed how weird Game & Watch's F-Smash looks because they edited out the headdress but not the "clothing."

[@sebastienmonette6659]

13:11 Can we talk about G&W's ummmm.... sausage?

[@landonhalloway3857]

If we don't get Piranha plants preternatural hitboxes, we riot

[@Trattt]

Who else hated the challenge in which you had a time limit to defeat several Game and Watches that spammed up-b

[@sherbertshortkake6649]

There's nothing more disturbing than 3D Mr. Game and Watch and there is nothing you can do to change my mind.

[@WizardPig321]

A sequel to your Cloud video would be cool since he got nerfed so much

[@appliedatoms7066]

5:20 fish for combos, huh? I see what you did there.

[@raycotron]

you can "fish for combos" with neutral air

[@CoolGamer-oq4gn]

That’s litterally every comment in this video

[@ScratRedemption]

Down tilt is an amazing killing move if you can hit it. This still doesn't fix the air issue though

[@leaffinite2001]

I would like to see zero suit samus please. Im curious about how her hurtbox shifts in many moves, also up b and zair

[@anonymousoff-brand7538]

for the down tilt, you forgot to mention its hurtbox shifting. unless that was nerfed without me realizing.

[@barticgameoshawottsquad6149]

In my oppinion i think you should do a video about Luigi, Mario, Incineroar, Pac-man or Olimar

[@nmarf1564]

like with GnW's ftilt, fox's uptilt in melee does the same exact thing where grounded opponents go farther than airborne opponents. idk why nintendo loves doing this but it's not the only instance lol

[@rubberwoody]

Ftilt is not a tipper sweet spot. It's an early strong and late weak hit. Also there is more intricies to the damage of bucket than the simple 2x multiplier

[@LordEgilYGO]

Fun fact: if you get hit with Megaman's crash bomber, hold out Oil Panic. It literally absorbs the entire move and fully charges the bucket.

[@sims2sirius536]

Down tilt only works as an edge guard but damn is it incredible

[@DoodleWill]

Game and Watch is a glass cannon. Really good moves with some flawed ones. Wouldn't really call him OP like everyone else would, but I would be lying if I didn't say Up-B and Down-Smash weren't scary.

[@C_Floor]

Little Mac's hitboxes need to be addressed. From a pure framedata perspective, he's nuts.

[@underfan7713]

This is actually the thing that inspired me to learn game and watch

[@thecrimsoncreep]

You forgot to mention that G&W's upsmash also combos. I think it's safe to say the move is one of the best upsmashes.

[@robertadamsx2]

I always wanted to be good with this character. He just seened really fun to play, but I just could get the hang of G&W. After watching this video and playing my friend a day later, I somehow got good out of nowhere.

[@thesauce9365]

his dash grab hitbox looks like a hotdog

[@IconicCROSS]

I just noticed that the battlefield stage background gets darker because the sun is being eclipsed by the moon (at the end of the video). Pretty neat

[@tomekjast5015]

Nice video! After G&W I would love to see a Wii Fit episode, some weird hitboxes there ;p

[@drakenstarcross1347]

Thank you!

[@0_clover740]

3d G&W is so fucking cursed.

[@dokushi]

G&W would be the type of guy to go to a smash cook out and then when someone gives him something to drink he'd pull the bucket

[@thebigboyyay]

Seeing 3d G&W is very unnerving

[@SIRLagalot007]

Dunno if its been said but im pretty sure 3 also does increased shield damage

[@sherbertshortkake6649]

"It's actually a projectile tied to an aerial which is pretty uncommon" *the villager in front of him*

[@OrangeToadGamer]

Finally, I get to find out why this piece of paper has the weirdest hitboxes

[@SoujiaSoldierKitty]

If I had to guess... The grounded stronger knockback is probably a reference to what game the form G&W takes comes from.

[@happyboy7860]

I think dtilt’s hitbox is bad for balancing because I often get dtilt kills at reasonable percents off a shield break or ledge trap. If you’re trying to use it as an anti-air, just use up smash

[@landonhoover7823]

Capatain falcons cool hitboxes😳

[@MrDmoe33]

Mewtwo hitboxes? Would also like to see where exactly his hurtbox is.

[@charKT-7461]

Mewtwo's hurtbox is huge due to his tail.

[@maltekruger3975]

Game n watches wacky hit boxes

[@petpac3967]

Dededes devious hitboxes. Terry's terrifying hitboxes. Hero's hefty hitboxes. And finally. Piranha plant hitboxes that don't exist

[@voltekka47]

Sakurai: removes frame 1 invincibility out of the command versions of the shotos/Terry's up B also Sakurai: *G&W Up B*