Explaining the Heresy of the Catholic Mass 2 - John MacArthur

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[@moyon2255]

Looks like i spent a true 40 years in the desert as a Catholic. I only pray everyone else who is seeking our Lord realizes and runs 🙏💖

[@bridgefin]

Hell's arms are always open.

[@paulchewchenghai87]

Amen!

[@Dechieftian]

So what are you now ? Pray tell .. Which one of the 'reformed' 'reassembled' 'realigned' or otherwise modified are you? I saw a post on here with a believer that had was a congregant of the 'Principled ( reformed ) Baptist .. now aint that something. So, you bash the Catholic faith .. so what are you?

[@Dechieftian]

@@bridgefin My question to you then. What faith group or assembly do you ascribe to .. which of the many aligned, misaligned, assembled and reassembled and confused do you belong to ? pray tell. Or are you just a troll ? You are happy to bash the Catholic faith on this windbag McArthur post .. but what are you .. what is MacArthur in fact .. where do you think he got the authority to interpret scipture .. from a fellow windbag I'm guessing ..

[@donaldsmith9822]

@@DechieftianGod does not need to be defended. You are offended that someone is questioning your church or are you offended that you can see the paganism and that bothers you? I was raised in a Roman Catholic church with all the RCIA classes, communion, and confirmation. I started questioning how the Catholic church interpreted the Bible when I realized how they manipulated the scripture to allow for their statues, I was 10. Read the Bible with a good, quality concordance and questions everything that is not in-line with God's Word. He is speaking to us as individuals now, Christ told us we (believers) are His ambassadors. People will KNOW we belong to God by the way we treat each other. That includes speaking hard truths that show others the truth in scripture. I will not argue with you. I hope you find truth.

[@julievalencia8633]

My mother kept us in church, a good bible believing church all my life, but most of my friends were Catholic and truly cared nothing about God. In fact when I asked them why they did or did not do certain things, they would always hide behind catholicism saying... Because, I'm Catholic. These two verses probably saved my life and from following my friends: Matthew 6:7 King James Version 7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. (This is all I would hear when I would go to church with them, was vain, repetitious prayer, always read, never from the heart) 1 Timothy 2:5 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; (Not Mary)

[@Dechieftian]

Again, another post that leads off with a ridiculous comment. So many posts have this common thread. So many lead with a ridiculous comment. I am now quoting from you " ... most of my friends were Catholic and truly cared nothing about God" end quote. Can you see how foolish this is. You are clearly in a discussion group that will take all and every opportunity to bash the Catholic church. This discussion has been started by John MacArthur a well known provocateur and agent of slander to a number of religions - so you are speaking to a largely agreeable audience when you bash the Catholic Church. However, I caution you that even they will fault your ridiculous comments. In conclusion, I respectfully suggest that if you wish to make large claims you will need to provide large proof. Especially when you are slandering believers in a faith group that is the larges Christian denomination in the world. If majority plus one were the order of the day - we would win hands down .. Peace be with you.

[@julievalencia8633]

@@Dechieftian Well, I would certainly say that the Bible, the most sold book in the world, and the very words of God is pretty much proof, but it's something you really should research on your own. Not just believe what you are told. If God said it and you don't like it, I suggest you take it up with him. Catholicism is not the same as Christianity. I quoted the Bible, not myself.

[@julievalencia8633]

@@Dechieftian How do you get to judge whether my comment is rediculous or not. I'm just making a true statement about my life and my personal experience.

[@Dechieftian]

@@julievalencia8633 Matthew 7: 1- 6 " Do not judge or you too will be judged" You judged your Catholic friends and I quote " ... my friends were Cathoic and truly cared nothing about God" John MacArthur created this post , he has pronounced his judgement on the heresy of the Catholic Mass .." He did that to incite and invoke division. His hateful and religiously intolerant commentary is the currency of his ministry. As expected from the invitation of this post 'heresy of the Mass' he has received many comments from like minded individuals, calling out the Catholic religion. In conclusion, I will defend what I hold true even in the face of such vitriol as John MacArthur spews forth with impunity. and I will defend those to whom this intolerant behaviour is directed.

[@julievalencia8633]

@@Dechieftian This was not judgmental. It was a true statement. These were my friends, when I was younger, I did not judge them, just saying, they had no relationship with God on a personal level. And they were ok with that. I still loved them and did not judge them. I'm just saying most of my Catholic friends and family even today are only taught repetitious prayers and pray to Mary. If I go to a wedding or funeral of one of my Catholic friends or family members, never do they pull out a Bible and read scriptures. Usually something someone else has written and very repetitive. Just an observation.

[@jayonnaj18]

For a true Christian, to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord! There have been so many martyrs who have, in faith, gone boldly to their deaths knowing they would have the joy of seeing Jesus face to face, and be in His Holy Presence FOREVER! As a child of God for over 44 years now, I, too, would rather burn to death in the fire of this earth than to spend an eternity burning in the Lake of Fire! I L-O-V-E my Savior and will continue to devour my Bible until the end of my life!

[@bridgefin]

A true Christian devours the body and blood of Christ.

[@stevehardwick7285]

Did the Apostles eat the actual body and blood of Jesus?@@bridgefin

[@bridgefin]

@@stevehardwick7285 Jesus said that they did. Who you going to believe? Jesus or the heretic in the video?

[@dougy6237]

​@@stevehardwick7285You ask "Did the Apostles eat the actual body and blood of Jesus"? Let’s start with 1 Corinthians 10:16-21. Paul makes it clear that when we partake of the Eucharist we partake of the body and blood of Jesus; The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not a participation in the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? (v.16). Furthermore, three times in 1 Corinthians 11:27-30 Paul uses language that shows he believes the Eucharist is literally Jesus and not a mere symbol. The first example is Paul’s use of homicidal language in his instruction on receiving the Eucharist worthily: "Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of profaning the body and blood of the Lord" (v.27). Ignatius of Antioch A.D. 110 “I have no taste for corruptible food nor for the pleasures of this life. I desire the bread of God, which is the flesh of Jesus Christ . . . and for drink I desire his blood, which is love incorruptible” (Letter to the Romans 7:3 [A.D. 110]). “Take note of those who hold heterodox opinions on the grace of Jesus Christ which has come to us, and see how contrary their opinions are to the mind of God. . . . They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer because they do not confess that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, flesh which suffered for our sins and which that Father, in his goodness, raised up again. They who deny the gift of God are perishing in their disputes” (Letter to the Smyrnaeans 6:2-7:1 [A.D. 110]).

[@stevehardwick7285]

Wrong and you know it. It represents the blood and body of Christ. It's easy to prove, next time you take communion, simply spit some out and test it.@@dougy6237

[@ColletteGurthet]

I am a Jewish follower of Jesus The Messiah and family and friends when I first told them " I am born again" What you are Catholic? Most people who don't know the LORD including myself thought the first Christians were Catholics. What a shock to know what a lie that is and was!

[@happyforever1528]

Now there is neither Jew nor Greek ,male nor female , for we are All one in Christ Jesus , Hallelujah & Amen ! .

[@PaxMundi118]

MacArthur's attacks are based on false premises. The Catholic Church does not teach what MacArthur says. Go to the sources, Holy Scripture and doctrine of the Catholic Church as articulated in the Catechism. Compare them. Do not trust MacArthur's radically biased and accusatory assessment.

[@jediv3381]

*The first believers were Jewish Christians. Acts 2, Acts 11:26. Not Roman Catholics who come in ad300s.*

[@PaxMundi118]

@@jediv3381 "The first use of the term 'Catholic Church' (literally meaning "universal church") was by the church father Saint Ignatius of Antioch (c. 50-140) in his Letter to the Smyrnaeans (circa 110 AD). He died in Rome, with his relics located in the Basilica of San Clemente al Laterano."

[@PaxMundi118]

"Let no one do anything of concern to the Church without the bishop. Let that be considered a valid Eucharist which is celebrated by the bishop or by one whom he ordains [i.e., a presbyter]. Wherever the bishop appears, let the people be there; just as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church” (Letter to the Smyrneans 8:2 [A.D. 110]).

[@TsionY]

This is extremely eye opening! The Lord today led me to a series of John MacArthurs expositions of grotesque heresy of the Catholic Church. I grew up an orthodox Christian and went to a Catholic school. Anyone who doesn’t denounce these heretical and counterfeit Antichrist practices is vailed from The Truth of The Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ, our doctrine of highest authority. Supplement This video with Hebrews 10. I thank the God Almighty for the brothers and sisters who were martyred testifying to The Absolute Truth🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾

[@TheChadPad]

Amen brother

[@sanalouis2620]

Amen 🙏

[@vffemt83]

This is completely false. The earliest writing of the Church explain what the mass is and the Catholic Church continues those proctices from the very beginning.

[@sharonsimmons5630]

Yes he is a false preacher amongst others

[@TsionY]

@@sharonsimmons5630 Many are offended by the Truth, doctrinal Truth. I’ve not heard anyone else call John MacArthur a false preacher, however. Every single word he utters during his teachings is within the framework of the Holy Bible. His in-depth teachings, his extensive knowledge and passion for Scripture have opened the eyes millions of believers, including mine. Millions of us seek his expository teachings to deepen our understanding of God's True Word. If you're interested in exploring his teachings, you may find them here for an honest spiritual growth. May his teachings continue to guide us in our walk with God!

[@rolfstorz3745]

Outstanding message!! Listen carefully and prayerfully ❤❤❤

[@tonyrussell5058]

Indeed it was. Thank God for John MacArthur: “Candle in the night”.

[@josephdalelio6684]

@@tonyrussell5058 DISTORTS THE CATHOLIC FAITH.

[@belindarosenheim2322]

Wow! I'll be watching these videos again and again.

[@EdwardGraveline]

written by Justin Martyr in 155 AD And on the day called Sunday, all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and the memoirs [letters] of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as time permits; then, when the reader has ceased, the president [the presiding priest or bishop] verbally instructs, and exhorts to the imitation of these good things. Then we all rise together and pray, and, as we before said, when our prayer is ended, bread and wine and water are brought, and the president in like manner offers prayers and thanksgivings, according to his ability, and the people assent, saying Amen; and there is a distribution to each, and a participation of that over which thanks have been given, and to those who are absent a portion is sent by the deacons. And they who are well to do, and willing, give what each thinks fit; and what is collected is deposited with the president, who succors the orphans and widows and those who, through sickness or any other cause, are in want, and those who are in bonds and the strangers sojourning among us, and in a word takes care of all who are in need. But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Savior on the same day rose from the dead. For He was crucified on the day before that of Saturn (Saturday); and on the day after that of Saturn, which is the day of the Sun, having appeared to His apostles and disciples, He taught them these things, which we have submitted to you also for your consideration. And this food is called among us Εὐχαριστία [the Eucharist], of which no one is allowed to partake but the man who believes that the things which we teach are true, and who has been washed with the washing that is for the remission of sins, and unto regeneration, and who is so living as Christ has enjoined. For not as common bread and common drink do we receive these; but in like manner as Jesus Christ our Savior, having been made flesh by the Word of God, had both flesh and blood for our salvation, so likewise have we been taught that the food which is blessed by the prayer of His word, and from which our blood and flesh by transmutation are nourished, is the flesh and blood of that Jesus who was made flesh. For the apostles, in the memoirs composed by them, which are called Gospels, have thus delivered unto us what was enjoined upon them; that Jesus took bread, and when He had given thanks, said, This do in remembrance of Me, [Luke 22:19] this is My body; and that, after the same manner, having taken the cup and given thanks, He said, This is My blood; and gave it to them alone.

[@mikehawthorne1396]

so you Iisten to the HERETlCK!!! 😈 😱

[@mariosangermano]

​@mikehawthorne1396 I was born and raised RC. It's a false religious system that has perverted the gospel. Can you even define what the gospel is? Please, in all sincerely explain the gospel.

[@terryqueenjr.6700]

@@mikehawthorne1396it’s people like you who won’t see the gates of heaven, you need to study GODS word, and not do what the Catholic Church says

[@doungellendous6430]

I'm Baptist from India & I'm always praying for Catholic 🙏

[@nosuchthing8]

Dont fret. We were the only Christians for 1500 years.

[@christianfreedom-seeker934]

I find it so disturbing that all of the English Protestant Martyrs were burnt on the stake at the orders of a supposedly Christian monarch!!!!

[@DianaMcFerran]

Yep and the pope has never issued an apology about it either, they say their church is infallible so I'm sure they've still got the same mindset if they deem us heretics again!

[@josephdalelio6684]

Here is a sample of what the Calvinist Huguenots did to Catholics in the religious wars in France. They entered the Catholic churches,overturned the altars, tramled the eucharist undertheir feet, drank from consecrated chalices, smeared their shoes with holy oil, defiled church vestments with excrement, threw books into the fire and destroyed the icons. They assaulted and massacred the Catholic clergy in the very discharge of their saced functions with cries of Kill the priests, In France alone the Calvinists destroyed 20,00 Catholic churches. They pillaged andbdemolished monasteries and hodpitals. The monks at Chartres were all murdered. In Dauphiny alone they murdered 255 priests, 112 monks and destroyed 900 towns and villages!

[@scootahscoot9389]

And what did Protestants do to Catholics in Scotland 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[@Mike-pf1ru]

@@scootahscoot9389 We don’t talk about that here.

[@cdnpatriot]

@@scootahscoot9389 Do tell. (link?)

[@jayonnaj18]

Praise the Lord! To God ALONE goes the glory as Pastor John boldly preaches the truth concerning the hellish heresy of the evil Catholic Mass! We who belong to Jesus Christ must pray for the souls of ALL of the unsaved, that they will come to repent and believe the True Gospel of Jesus Christ before it is too late for them!

[@markdennis122]

If you dig deep enough, you will find we believe the same things as you do. Protestants are simply non practicing Catholics and we pray for them constantly, Globally. Catholics believe that glory goes to God alone. This belief is often summarized in the phrase "Soli Deo Gloria," which is one of the five solae or slogans of the Protestant Reformation but is also a concept that is consistent with Catholic theology. In Catholicism, the doctrine of the First Commandment, "You shall have no other gods before me," emphasizes the absolute priority and supremacy of God. Catholics believe in the worship of the one true God, and all glory, honor, and worship are ultimately directed toward Him. This is expressed in the liturgy, prayers, and teachings of the Catholic Church. While Catholics honor and venerate saints, angels, and the Virgin Mary, they do not believe these beings are gods or equal to God. Instead, they believe in the intercession of saints and the Blessed Virgin Mary as intermediaries between humanity and God. Ultimately, however, all glory and worship are offered to God alone, as He is considered the source and end of all things in Catholic theology.

[@Dechieftian]

A couple of comments, what you describe in your opening comment as 'Pastor John boldly preaches the truth .. " The only thing that this windbag is preaching is slander and hate to incite dissent and rile up his followers in his air conditioned assembly hall as he wags his finger and spews vitriol from his lectern. He would'nt know the truth if he fell over it. From whom did the windbag ' the world is less than ten thousand years old 'MacArthur receive the authority to interpret Scripture? Who could possibly believe anything from the windbag who has opently declared his belief that our world is less than ten thousand years old' If you can be that wrong on the firs tbook and first verse of the Bible how could you possibly think that he's right on anything else in the Bible. In conclusion, the windbag in the tailored Italian suit at the air conditioned lectern is as far removed from the reality of doing God's work as he could be. Only MacArthur and Kenneth Copeland, Jim and Tammy Faye .. and many more 'preachers' raking in millions from their gullible faithful followers by waving the Holy Book in the air. MacArthur however takes his vitriol and contempt to a level that is hateful .. as in the case of this post " Heresy of the Catholic Mass' .. How many of the Apostles were multi-millionaires? How many of the Apostles only preached on a part time basis in air conditioned assembly halls ? 'the world is less than ten thousand yearl old' MacArthur windbag is a hateful, inciteful little man.

[@sonjiachilds]

FAITH, without works, is dead. What works is Jesus speaking of? I'm not being contentious, I'm trying to sort all of this out.

[@markdennis122]

@@sonjiachilds James 2:17. This verse is often cited in discussions about the relationship between faith and works in the context of salvation. It's important to understand that the Catholic Church, like many Christian denominations, recognizes the importance of both faith and works in the life of a believer. In Catholic theology, faith and works are seen as complementary components of salvation, not as contradictory elements. Here's how Catholics understand this verse: Works of Charity: The "works" that Jesus and James are speaking of can include acts of charity and love towards others. Catholics believe that genuine faith should manifest itself in concrete actions of love and service to others. These actions may include feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, visiting the sick, and caring for the marginalized, as taught by Jesus in Matthew 25:31-46. Obedience to God's Commands: Works also encompass obedience to God's commands as revealed in Scripture and through the teachings of the Church. This involves living a life in accordance with God's moral and ethical principles, avoiding sin, and striving for holiness. It includes participating in the sacraments, attending Mass, and adhering to the Ten Commandments. Faith and Works Together: Catholics emphasize that faith and works are not in opposition but are interconnected. Faith is the foundation of salvation, but it is not a passive belief; it should motivate a person to live a life in accordance with God's will. Works are the natural result of living out one's faith. Cooperation with God's Grace: Catholics believe that salvation is a cooperative effort between God's grace and human response. Faith is the means by which we accept God's grace, and works are the expression of our response to that grace. In essence, the "works" that Jesus and James speak of are those actions, both of charity and obedience, that reflect a living and active faith. They are evidence of a genuine relationship with God. The Catholic perspective is that faith and works are intertwined, working together to bring about the transformation and sanctification of the believer. Faith without works is seen as incomplete and "dead" because it lacks the fruit of a genuine, living faith.

[@jayonnaj18]

@@sonjiachilds Jesus is speaking of works such as: prayer, loving and praying for your enemies, studying your Bible daily so you can know Scripture and be prepared to give out with the telling of the Gospel of the Grace of God to the lost who might repent, believe and get eternally saved, edifying those who are already saved by using the word of God to build them up spiritually, singing praises unto our Precious Savior, helping the poor and needy, which doesn't necessarily mean money! "STUDY to show yourselves approved unto God, a WORKman that needeth not to be ashamed, RIGHTLY DIVIDING the word of truth!" 2 Timothy 2:15! (The word of truth is the BIBLE)! In these works Christians should do, others will see your living FAITH and love for Jesus Christ!

[@ursulajenni6521]

„For The Word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. Nothing in all creation is hidden from God‘s sight. EVERYTHING IS UNCOVERED AND LAID BARE BEFORE THE EYES OF HIM TO WHOM WE MUST GIVE ACCOUNT.“ (Hebrews 4:12-13) - I am really comforted by the CLARITY of God’s word, which has the POWER to shape our lives! - This „hour“ of church history was a wonderful eye-opener! Thank you ♥️ JMA!

[@mitchellosmer1293]

quote--- This „hour“ of church history was a wonderful eye-opener! -unquote Who's church history?

[@browncony3897]

@@mitchellosmer1293 *Questions for SDA cult members:* *1. Which part of the BIBLE says “Jesus = Michael the Archangel”?* *2. Which part of the BIBLE says “Satan bore the sins of believers”?* *3. Which part of NT says Gentile Christians need to keep the 7th Day Sabbath?* *4. Where in the BIBLE says Gentile Christians are SAVED BY WORKS?* *Questions for JW cult members:* *1. Where in the BIBLE says “Jesus = Michael the Archangel”?* *2. Where in the BIBLE says “Satan bore the sins of believers”?* *3. Where in the BIBLE says Trinity is false?*

[@mitchellosmer1293]

@@browncony3897 #1----*****Who Is the Archangel Michael? ****The Bible’s answer ----Michael, referred to by some religions as “Saint Michael,” is evidently a name given to Jesus before and after his life on earth. * Michael disputed with Satan after the death of Moses and helped an angel deliver God’s message to the prophet Daniel. (Daniel 10:13, 21; Jude 9) Michael lives up to the meaning of his name​-“Who Is Like God?”​-by defending God’s rulership and fighting God’s enemies.​-Daniel 12:1; Revelation 12:7. ----Consider why it is reasonable to conclude that Jesus is the archangel Michael. Michael is “the archangel.” (Jude 9) The title “archangel,” meaning “chief of the angels,” appears in only two Bible verses. In both cases, the word is singular, suggesting that only one angel bears that title. One of those verses states that the resurrected Lord Jesus “will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice.” (1 Thessalonians 4:​16) Jesus has “an archangel’s voice” because he is the archangel, Michael. ----Michael commands an angelic army. “Michael and his angels battled with the dragon,” Satan. (Revelation 12:7) Michael has great authority in the spirit realm, for he is called “one of the foremost princes” and “the great prince.” (Daniel 10:13, 21; 12:1) These titles designate Michael as “the commander-in-chief of the angelic forces,” as New Testament scholar David E. Aune puts it. ----The Bible mentions only one other name of someone having authority over an army of angels. It describes “the revelation of the Lord Jesus from heaven with his powerful angels in a flaming fire, as he brings vengeance.” (2 Thessalonians 1:​7, 8; Matthew 16:27) Jesus “went to heaven, and angels and authorities and powers were made subject to him.” (1 Peter 3:​21, 22) It would not make sense for God to set up Jesus and Michael as rival commanders of the holy angels. Rather, it is more reasonable to conclude that both names, Jesus and Michael, refer to the same person. ----Michael “will stand up” during an unprecedented “time of distress.” (Daniel 12:1) In the book of Daniel, the expression “stand up” is often used to refer to a king who rises up to take special action. (Daniel 11:​2-4, 21) Jesus Christ, identified as “The Word of God,” will take special action as the “King of kings” to strike down all of God’s enemies and protect God’s people. (Revelation 19:11-​16) He will do so during a time of “great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning.”​-Matthew 24:21, 42. #2--No idea--I didn't say that. #3----Which part of NT says Gentile Christians need to keep the 7th Day Sabbath? **** Mark 2:27 And He said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man(kind), and not man for the Sabbath. Not Jews, not Israelites. ALL MANKIND!!!! *****1 Cor 9:16---If I preach the gospel, this is no reason for me to boast, for an obligation has been imposed on me, and woe to me if I do not preach it! ***** Matthew 15:8-9 New International Version 8 “‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. 9 They worship me in vain; their teachings are merely human rules.’ --------****%%^^&*((^R*(&&^)(*& Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. NO JEWS--NO GREEKS----NO MALE--NO FEMALE...... *******Isaiah 58:13 “If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath, From doing your pleasure on MY HOLY DAY, And call the Sabbath a delight, The holy day of the LORD honorable, And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways, Nor finding your own pleasure, Nor speaking your own words, --THE ONLY day God rested on The ONLY day God BLESSED The ONLY Day God sanctified The ONLY day God named--Sabbath For there is NO OTHER day that GOD did these on!!!!!!!! God DID NOT Rest on the First day of the week!!! God DID NOT BLESS the First day of the week!!! God DID NOT SANCTIFY the First day of the week!!! God DID NOT name the First day of the week!!! **#4. Where in the BIBLE says Gentile Christians are SAVED BY WORKS? ------For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also (James 2:26). Here James affirms that deeds (or actions) are the byproduct of a living faith. Works do not justify us or make us righteous before God, nor are they the means to salvation. Rather, our deeds are the fruit that grows from one who is obedient to God’s commands and transformed by His grace. ***If you do not want to keep the Ten Comandments, that is your choice. You break one--you break them ALL!!!! ------

[@browncony3897]

@@mitchellosmer1293 *Stop copy pasting refuted stuff SDA cultist. Dont you ever read the BIBLE?*

[@browncony3897]

@@mitchellosmer1293 @Mitchell Osmer *1. SDA cultists ever twisting the WORD OF GOD!!!* *1 Thes 4 does not say Jesus has the voice of archangel you lunatic!!! Does Jesus sound like a trumpet too?* 1Th 4:16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 1Th 4:17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. *2. SDA cultists ever twisting the WORD OF GOD!!!* *Jude 9? Michael the only archangel? What lies! Daniel 10 is clear. Michael was only one of the many chief princes (archangels). NOT the only one!!!!!* Dan 10:13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me twenty-one days; and behold, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, for I had been left alone there with the kings of Persia.

[@bryanblanks1714]

God promises to be with you even in fiery furnace of persecution!

[@jayonnaj18]

Amen, Bryan Blanks. He will be with His children just as He was with Shadrach, Meshack, and Abednego!!!

[@nberrios777]

Who do you believe is being persecuted?

[@josephdalelio6684]

@@jayonnaj18 a fable never happened

[@terryqueenjr.6700]

@@josephdalelio6684you are so deceived

[@elvinadaliyong9083]

@@josephdalelio6684 even then,gotta learn the spiritual moral lesson,and that's centered on God.

[@MrJoseph2046]

Ex Catholic now a Saved and reborn Christian

[@bridgefin]

That's a popular joke. You abandoned Christ to follow the lead of sinners instead. You gave up the Eucharist. You will die in your sins. Come to your senses!!!

[@countryboyred]

@@bridgefinsounds like he is born again so according to the Bible he is saved. Why do you spew so much hatred to people who believe in Jesus Christ?

[@bridgefin]

@@countryboyred He consciously left the only church established by God for his salvation. He left Jesus in the Eucharist. Someone ignorant of that truth might find forgiveness but someone who had the truth and abandoned it might be in deep trouble. And my mentioning it forcefully is intended to shock him into realization of hat he has done. And what you call "born again" is baptism and he would have already been baptized as a Catholic. And it does not guarantee salvation.

[@browncony3897]

​@@bridgefin *Roman Catholics are so full of lies. Jesus did not say "be in Roman Church to be saved". Instead Jesus said "believe in Him to be saved". Jesus' salvation is a "Personal Invitation". Not an "Institutional Invitation".* you said He consciously left the only church established by God for his salvation.

[@browncony3897]

​@@bridgefin *Bible says water baptism is symbolic. It does not save. 1 Pet **3:21**. You are called out for your duplicity.* 1 Pet 3:21 (ISV) *Baptism, which is symbolized by that water,* now saves you also, not by removing dirt from the body, but by asking God for a clear conscience based on the resurrection of Jesus, the Messiah, you said And what you call "born again" is baptism and he would have already been baptized as a Catholic. And it does not guarantee salvation.

[@ronlanter6906]

Grew up in a RC family, went to RC grade school, and have been a Particular (reformed) Baptist since adulthood. #5Solas #TULIP *All For the Glory of God*

[@Dechieftian]

Then perhaps you are an ideal candidate to explain what is clearly a crisis in Christiandom. But before I go there , you mentioned you were a 'Particular ( reformed ) Baptist' .. reformed from what might I boldly ask? And that leads into the main point of my reply. At present, there are in excess of thirty thousand .. actually let me write that numerically > 30, 000 Christian denominations in the world and the number is increasing every year, has been for a very long time - probably right back to the Reformation ( there's that REFORM word again ) .. as a sidenote .. how many times does the word ' REFORM" appear in Holy Scripture .. let me help you with that please .. ZERO! But here's my point - finally - and I'm cognizant of where I am and to whom I am speaking. I am in a den of vipers who are happily slithering about the feet of the all time great windbags that ever took up preaching to make his millions. I am in a blog whert the windbag is slamming the Liturgy of the Roman Rite and decrying the practise as heresy. And this from a preacher who has openly said on live television that he believes our world is not older than ten thousand years. He shared the platform on that occassion with emminent scientists and astronomers who deserve the highest praise for managing to contain their laughter at the nonsense spewed forth by the windbag. This same windbag postulates on how Roman Catholic's might be saved .. what a nerve. From whom did he receive the authority to interpret scipture - another windbag I suppose, Kenneth Copleand comes to mind. It is little wonder with idiots and fools gaining centre stage with the Bible's held aloft and slandering all and sundry with vitriol and contempt that there are so many misguided and lost souls. So, in conclusion,, Partiulcar ( reformed ) Baptist .. go spread your word .. reform some more and iwth the help of the milllionaire windbag push that big > 30, 000 number even higher!! Peace be with you. " wise are those that know they are lost and turn to the Lord for guidance"

[@ronlanter6906]

@@Dechieftian My friend, it is not my word I spread but God's Word that He gives to all! I will leave you in peace and with a prophecy of God: *Matthew 24:24* For false messiahs and false prophets will appear, and will produce great signs and wonders in order to deceive, if possible, even the elect.

[@Dechieftian]

@@ronlanter6906 excellent! Matthew 24 : 24. False Messiahs and Prophets.. Indeed. That's, how we got to > 30,000 Christian Denominations - many Reformed. You didn't answer my question re. Particular ( reformed ) Baptist. What does 'reformed' mean? And staying with Matthew 16 : 18 And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this Rock I will build my Church. And the powers of death shall not prevail against it. You stray from that.. and reform into something else... you join the ever growing church of the meandering souls .. right into the clutches of ' not more than 10,000 years' windbag' or Falwell, Kenneth Copeland. There is but one, and only one Universal Church of Christ founded by Christ and promulgated on earth by the successor of Peter as has been the case for close to 2000 yrs. The creator of this blog - the windbag MacArthur - in his tailored Italian suits standing aloft on his pedestal in an air conditioned hall slamming and slandering the succesor of Peter, Christ's Vicar on earth is both popular and lucrative. But truth be told this self proclaimed disciple of Christ would not be worthy to tie the shoe laces of those he so vehemently and viciously attacks.

[@sonjiachilds]

@Dechieftian the Holy Spirit is the one who gives us the meaning of the scriptures-- we are to learn & then decent in prayer no?

[@ronlanter6906]

@@sonjiachilds You're asking a person who blasphemies God?

[@cathys465]

> Konstantin, whose mother was a Christian, did NOT make Christianity the official Roman religion. He only made it legal and worked to standardize its theology. Christianity became the official religion of the Roman Empire when Emperor Theodosius I issued the Edict of Thessalonica in 380 AD.

[@Oana-Roxana.]

Yes, and also, in that time, they somehow established that people should keep Sunday holy and not the Shabbat, how the Lord our God commanded us to do.

[@DavidFuentes123]

And the mother of Constantine was a virgin and died a virgin and from then on she is worshipped by Catholics together with Saint Constantine.

[@PInk77W1]

@@DavidFuentes123 I’m 63y old Catholic Never heard Constantine’s mom was a virgin. Never worshiped her. Please give me a reference?

[@DavidFuentes123]

@@PInk77W1 i was being sarcastic, since Catholics worship anything that resembles a Saint/virgin figure

[@wesdale1753]

Very sad... The non initiates don't know what the initiates are doing behind the scenes.

[@Tomrainsallnight]

The Roman Empire didn't go away. It morphed into the Catholic church

[@user-wy1dl2me2p]

Wrong boy , the Eastern Orthodox is not Roman .

[@TheChadPad]

I have said this for ages. I’m glad to see someone else say it. We fight Romans

[@donaldcooley897]

@@user-wy1dl2me2p The Church at Rome become catholic in the 300s and so did the Eastern Orthodox when it split with the Catholic .It has the same false teaching that catholic do . that is that Christ founded the Church at Pentecost Christ did not found any church here on earth made with Hands . Christ`s Church is the one he prophesied he would build on him self , Matt. 16 : 18 . Christ`s Church is made up of saved believers who have been baptized by the spirit into His body 1 Cor.12;13 ; it is the one he died for , it is Holy with out spot or blemish , Eph. 5: 25-27

[@richardnickerson1006]

Another conspiracy theory comment with no facts

[@vffemt83]

The Catholic Church existed long before the Roman Empire fell

[@gsmith5140]

What an education I received today! America is not a Christian nation. I finally understand this. I was on my way to this conclusion, but John explained why. Only people can be Christians (duh!), and the "composite society" concept (and that whole history of the effect of Christiandom and its distinction from Christianity). The Word is true, "...how can they know except a preacher be sent...." Thank you, Pastor John.

[@paulchewchenghai87]

Amen!

[@jayonnaj18]

Aaaamen! Glory to God!

[@josephdalelio6684]

@@jayonnaj18 idle talk meaninglees bs

[@nathanmeli4123]

​@@jayonnaj18b ,

[@TheChadPad]

It is true, but it was a nation founded by Christians! We are a Protestant nation, if you want to divvy it up by total. Catholics are sorely outnumbered here

[@sammcrae8892]

I've noticed that there's a LOT of people who are moving from Christian beliefs to Catholicism and Orthodoxy. I'm sure there's Catholics who are saved by faith in Jesus Christ, but there's also many (a majority!) who show up to mass, do what the priest tells them, believes what they are told to believe by the priest, and think they are saved by the doctrine and ceremonies of the RCC. The downfall was when Constantine decided to make Christianity the state religion of Rome. 🙏✝️👑🙏

[@1Whipperin]

You know they're false when they call themselves Father or Pastor because Jesus gave a stern command against using such titles. Matthew 23: 8-12

[@josephdalelio6684]

@@1Whipperin wE KNOW YOUR STATEMENT IS WRONG BECAUSE HIS STATEMENT IS HYPERBOLE LIKE MATT 5:29. If you take those verses literally you cannot call anyone teacher or leader. Abraham was always called father Abraham, Elisha called Elijah father and Paul called his congregations his spiritual children. And by the way Abraham means Exalted Father of many nations

[@danielmaggio7738]

​@@1WhipperinOkay, then start calling your mom and dad by their first names. This scripture verse means that God is your ultimate Father, not the way you interpret it. This is why you have to have the magisterium of the Catholic Church to interpret scripture because left to personal interpretation, there would be an infinite amount of beliefs (sounds like protestantism) based off of one single scripture verse. Become Catholic, you know the religion that has a leader that's traced back to Christ. May God bless you and the Blessed Virgin Mary pray to God for your conversion.

[@1Whipperin]

@@danielmaggio7738 The command to "call no man father" (Matthew 23:9) is clear in its context: Jesus was rebuking the religious leaders of His day for their pride and desire for titles that exalted them above others. He emphasized that all authority, honor, and worship belong to God alone. Suggesting that this verse allows for spiritual titles such as "Father" misses the point of Christ’s rebuke, which was against elevating men to positions that belong to God. As for using this passage to argue that personal interpretation leads to chaos, it's important to remember that Scripture itself invites believers to seek truth with the guidance of the Holy Spirit. While there are indeed many interpretations within Protestantism, the focus is on individuals being accountable to God and His Word, rather than subjecting their faith to an institution. Christ never established a hierarchy that places men between God and believers; instead, He made all believers priests before Him (1 Peter 2:9), with Christ alone as the mediator (1 Timothy 2:5). The claim that the Catholic Church has authority through the magisterium because of an unbroken line back to Christ is not supported by the Bible. Scripture speaks of Christ as the foundation of the Church, not Peter or any man-made institution (Ephesians 2:20). Tradition cannot override the Word of God. The Bereans in Acts 17:11 were commended for testing the teachings they received against Scripture-not for relying on an ecclesiastical authority. Finally, the idea of praying to the Virgin Mary for intercession directly contradicts the biblical teaching that there is one mediator between God and man-Jesus Christ (1 Timothy 2:5). Christ alone intercedes for us, and all honor, glory, and prayer should go to Him alone. If you want to honor God, seek His Word in spirit and truth, not through the lens of man-made traditions or titles that exalt humans above their rightful place. Christ calls you to follow Him, not a religious system that strays from His teachings. Repent, and turn fully to the Lord as the one true authority over your life.

[@1Whipperin]

@danielmaggio7738 No, thanks. Roman Catholicism is a false and Paganism.

[@rolfstorz3745]

Going through the motions is not to be compared with the truth of genuine Christianity. Thanks to Dr. MacArthur for bringing out the truth.😉👍❤️

[@Mike-pf1ru]

The Catholic Church doesn’t teach that we “just go through the motions.” It’s both internal and external, because we are corporeal beings, having both soul and body. Jesus reproached the Pharisees because they only did the externals, like tithing mint and cumin, but neglected the weightier matters, justice, mercy and love. The former are external and the latter are internal. But he said, “These you ought to have done, WITHOUT LEAVING THE OTHERS UNDONE.”

[@JamesCampos-z6h]

The ultimate angel of Light is the catholic fate. Run from it and into the arms of The Lord. Be born again in Spirit. As Jseus said, deny thyself, pick up your cross and follow me. We must inform the catholics. They will fight. Their blind loyalty is fierce. Nevermind it. Plant the seed. The seed do its work, The Lord will. We just need to gain the courage to speak.

[@Dawn-e5n]

Lucifer calls himself the Angel of light so yes, you are correct in that matter. The rcc does belong to the angel of light. It is a jewel in satan's crown with an anti christ leading the way to hell for those who follow lies over God's Word. Repent and be saved if you aren't reprobate yet. If you are, you will never hear God's Word again.

[@savannahfan]

Thanks Not sure about “Blind Faith” Born Catholic, Catholic School trained, and grew away from it as an adult Tried a few Protestant and Evangelical Churches. Great show, liked the music, good enthusiasm, and nice people… But it wasn’t anything more than just a pale reflection of actual Worship, or honestly just glorified Bible Study with a Tonight Show feel and sound I also never understood the outright derision and bias against Catholic beliefs that I encountered. To me the experience seemed insufficient, and not really like Worship So I returned to the Catholic Faith, and found what I was looking for with Daily Mass, daily Eucharist, daily scripture, daily rosary, and a greater appreciation for the Catechism of the Catholic Church Now when I hear Protestants tell me how bad the Catholic Church is, I realize they are talking about some fictional version they have been told about, and I understand that many of their Leadership needs to have them think that way, because they don’t really want their congregation thinking too hard about their own beliefs Anyways, have a great weekend, peace be with you all All Glory to God ❤️

[@Truth2ber]

@@savannahfan Nope. The scrutiny of Roman doctrine is Berean…Scriptural…so as to avoid the warning of Jesus: “… depart from me, you who practice lawlessness” (Mt7:23 anomia, rejection of Torah).

[@savannahfan]

@@Truth2ber Wow, that sounds bad... But it makes me wonder If you think the Catholic Church departed from that which was, and then you guys departed way further from Sacred Tradition, and use an altered version of the original Bible, then what’s your excuse…? Thanks 👍

[@brucebarber4104]

@@savannahfan 🎯

[@cjy6967]

Do this in remembrance of me… I heard that somewhere.

[@davehersey4494]

Read John 7 regarding his body and blood for us.

[@PInk77W1]

@@davehersey4494Jn 6

[@PInk77W1]

We do THIS In remembrance of Him Protestants do something else in remembrance of him.

[@luvpamelanewton]

​@@PInk77W1The mannah and wine served at the end of the passover that Jesus Christ will drink it new in His kingdom. This is in remembrance of the sacrifice He made for us. It won't be his actual flesh and blood that He will eat of Himself in His new kingdom.

[@PInk77W1]

@@luvpamelanewton He said this is my body You say no

[@jesusfaith2232]

What the Bible says about the Roman Catholic Church. The Catholic Church claims that Peter was the head of God’s church. Paul says in Ephesians 5:23 that Christ Jesus is the head of the church. “For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body”.

[@PInk77W1]

Catholics believe Jesus is the King The pope is the Prime Minister

[@pomegranate6221]

If I've said it once I've commented it a 100 times... None better than John MacArthur for our times❤

[@bridgefin]

Then you have been horribly wrong over 100 times. Like the pied piper he is leading you where you don't want to go but you won't realize it until it is too late and you see his lies for what they were.

[@spiritguided655]

I was a catholic,but not anymore. I was taught by nuns(not a good experience) but they never taught the Bible. When I asked why not? They said we could never understand it. Im now in my 70s and making my own way through it. I feel badly cheated by the Catholic Church.

[@RockerfellerRothchild1776]

Because the church came first! The bible in fact is secondary! Tradition trumps the bible! The early church had no bible! The bible these protestants have is from the Catholic church!

[@browncony3897]

​ @bridgefin *You failed to answer once again.* *If Roman religion is truth or Church of the Bible, then why was there not a single New Testament believer saved in a Roman Catholic way in the whole Bible? Why? Explain coherently intelligently.* - submit to Roman pope to be saved - devote to Roman Mary to be saved - be in Roman Church to be saved - partake Roman sacraments to be saved - baptise in Roman baptism to be saved - do lots of works to be saved

[@browncony3897]

@@user-wy1dl2me2p *Jesus saves. Not Roman religion.*

[@browncony3897]

​@@user-wy1dl2me2p *You repent. Roman religion is man made. Roman religion contradicts Scriptures in every possible ways!* 1. Catholics say Mary was sinless. But BIBLE says Mary offered a sinner's offering. She was a sinner. Bible says Mary needed a Saviour. Lk 2:23-24, Lev 12:6-8, Rom 3:10. 2. Catholics say clergies must be celibate. Yet BIBLE says Peter (supposed R Church first leader) had mother in law. Bible says celibacy is not a qualification for clergies. Mat 8:14-15, Mar 1:30-31, Luk 4:38-39. 3. Catholics say Mary was forever virgin. Yet BIBLE says Jesus had brothers and sisters. Mary was not perpetually virgin. Mk 6:3, Mat 13:55, Mat 27:56, Mar 6:3, Mar 15:40, Mar 15:47. 4. Catholics say confess to R priests in a box. BIBLE says nothing about confessing to priests in a box. Bible says confess to GOD only. 1 John 1:9, Mat 6, Romans 10:9-10. 5. Catholics say drink of the physical blood of Jesus. Yet OT and NT both say do not drink blood. Acts 15, Lev 7:26. 6. Catholics say pray to passed on Mary and "saints". Yet BIBLE says do not contact the dead. NT Church did not record a single case of NT believers asking passed on saints to pray for them. Deut 18:11, Isaiah 8:19. 7. Catholics make and bow down to statues. BIBLE says do not bow down to graven images (statues). Deut 4, Exo 20:4-5. 8. Catholics sprinkles “holy water”. But NT Church of the Bible mentioned nothing about “holy water”. There was no record of any Apostles sprinkling “holy water” on believers. Catholics claimed “holy water” came from OT. Yet Num 5:17 says “holy water” was water used to test adulterous women in OT temple. Hardly the same. Those were for Old Covenant Jews. Not New Testament Christians. 9. Catholics say Peter was pope - bishop of all bishops. Yet BIBLE says Peter was just a leader of the Jerusalem Church. Bible says nothing of the office of bishop of bishops. Gal 2:9, Mat 16:18. 10. Catholics say there is a seat of Peter. Yet BIBLE says nothing about it. Jesus said “not to lord over others”. 11. Catholics has clergy priesthood. Bible says clergy priesthood was done away with in New Testament. There is no clergy priesthood in NT. Heb 7:27, 9:12, 10:10. 12. Catholics preaches Works Salvation (faith + good works + partake R sacraments + submit to R pontiff + be in R Church + devote to Mary = to be saved). Yet Bible says “believe in Jesus to be saved”. Bible says Works Salvation is cursed. Gal 1:8-9. Acts 16:30-31, John 3:16, Romans 10:9-10. 13. Catholics says they must do Penance to atone for their sins. Yet Bible says repent, confess and sins will be forgiven. Catholic Bible changes the word “repentance” in NT into “penance”. Original Greek NT does not use or mean the word penance. Penance = work to atone for sins. Repentance = change of heart. 1 John 1:9, Mat 6. 14. Catholics say Mary went straight to heaven without dying. Yet Bible says nothing about it. 15. Catholics say Islam and Christianity have the same GOD. Yet Islam doesn't believe in death and resurrection of Jesus and Trinity.

[@browncony3897]

​@@user-wy1dl2me2p *There was not a single New Covenant believer saved in a Roman Catholic way in the whole Bible? Why is that so? Please explain coherently intelligently.* - submit to Roman pope to be saved - devote to Roman Mary to be saved - be in Roman Church to be saved - partake Roman sacraments to be saved - baptise in Roman baptism to be saved - do lots of works to be saved

[@browncony3897]

​@@user-wy1dl2me2p *You repent. Roman religion contradicts Scriptures in every possible ways!1. Catholics say Mary was sinless. But BIBLE says Mary offered a sinner's offering. She was a sinner. Bible says Mary needed a Saviour. Lk 2:23-24, Lev 12:6-8, Rom 3:10. 2. Catholics say clergies must be celibate. Yet BIBLE says Peter (supposed R Church first leader) had mother in law. Bible says celibacy is not a qualification for clergies. Mat 8:14-15, Mar 1:30-31, Luk 4:38-39. 3. Catholics say Mary was forever virgin. Yet BIBLE says Jesus had brothers and sisters. Mary was not perpetually virgin. Mk 6:3, Mat 13:55, Mat 27:56, Mar 6:3, Mar 15:40, Mar 15:47. 4. Catholics say confess to R priests in a box. BIBLE says nothing about confessing to priests in a box. Bible says confess to GOD only. 1 John 1:9, Mat 6, Romans 10:9-10. 5. Catholics say drink of the physical blood of Jesus. Yet OT and NT both say do not drink blood. Acts 15, Lev 7:26. 6. Catholics say pray to passed on Mary and "saints". Yet BIBLE says do not contact the dead. NT Church did not record a single case of NT believers asking passed on saints to pray for them. Deut 18:11, Isaiah 8:19. 7. Catholics make and bow down to statues. BIBLE says do not bow down to graven images (statues). Deut 4, Exo 20:4-5. 8. Catholics sprinkles “holy water”. But NT Church of the Bible mentioned nothing about “holy water”. There was no record of any Apostles sprinkling “holy water” on believers. Catholics claimed “holy water” came from OT. Yet Num 5:17 says “holy water” was water used to test adulterous women in OT temple. Hardly the same. Those were for Old Covenant Jews. Not New Testament Christians. 9. Catholics say Peter was pope - bishop of all bishops. Yet BIBLE says Peter was just a leader of the Jerusalem Church. Bible says nothing of the office of bishop of bishops. Gal 2:9, Mat 16:18. 10. Catholics say there is a seat of Peter. Yet BIBLE says nothing about it. Jesus said “not to lord over others”. 11. Catholics has clergy priesthood. Bible says clergy priesthood was done away with in New Testament. There is no clergy priesthood in NT. Heb 7:27, 9:12, 10:10. 12. Catholics preaches Works Salvation (faith + good works + partake R sacraments + submit to R pontiff + be in R Church + devote to Mary = to be saved). Yet Bible says “believe in Jesus to be saved”. Bible says Works Salvation is cursed. Gal 1:8-9. Acts 16:30-31, John 3:16, Romans 10:9-10. 13. Catholics says they must do Penance to atone for their sins. Yet Bible says repent, confess and sins will be forgiven. Catholic Bible changes the word “repentance” in NT into “penance”. Original Greek NT does not use or mean the word penance. Penance = work to atone for sins. Repentance = change of heart. 1 John 1:9, Mat 6. 14. Catholics say Mary went straight to heaven without dying. Yet Bible says nothing about it. 15. Catholics say Islam and Christianity have the same GOD. Yet Islam doesn't believe in death and resurrection of Jesus and Trinity.

[@browncony3897]

@@user-wy1dl2me2p *You repent and believe in Jesus for Salvation. Roman pagan religion does not save.*

[@jesusfaith2232]

What the Bible says about the Roman Catholic Church. The church has a single man (the Pope) acting and speaking for the whole body, fulfilling Daniel 7:8. “And there, in this horn (kingdom), were eyes like the eyes of a man, and a mouth speaking pompous words.” Pope Pius IX said “I alone… am the successor of the apostles, the vicar of Jesus Christ. I am the way, the truth, and the life…” (Source: History of the Christian Church, by Henry Charles Sheldon, p. 59.) Pope Boniface VIII said “We declare, say, define, and pronounce, that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.” (Source: Bull “Unam Sanctum,” as cited in “Apostolic Digest, Book V: The Book of Obedience”) Current Pope Francis I said “You cannot find Jesus outside the Church.” (Source: EWTN Global Catholic News, pronounced on April 23 in the Apostolic Palace’s Pauline Chapel.) In John 14:6, Jesus declared that salvation is through Him only and not through any man, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.”

[@MrChrispy777]

I can't tell if you're defending the RCC OR condemning it.

[@jediv3381]

@@MrChrispy777 *The latter*

[@brucewmclaughlin9072]

@@MrChrispy777 condemning the hierarchy of the RCC not the common believer of the Catholic church.

[@jediv3381]

​@@johnkeszei5995 *NIce tales. Two or more Scriptures saying the same teachings proves a doctrine. We do not interpret. So not popes. You are wrong once again.* you said the protestants have 60 million popes

[@brucewmclaughlin9072]

@@johnkeszei5995 You have been taught by the roman Catholic church but have you looked at what you have been taught and compared it to what God's word says? Acts 17:11 is an example to us not to accept everything we are taught by anyone till you can prove it to be truth. You have been taught that there is no private interpretation of scriptures and if we take that one verse as truth it says exactly that. However we need to see context and when we do 2 Peter 1:20,21 shows us exactly what Peter was talking about and it has nothing to do with you or I interpreting scripture! When have the last three Popes confessed Jesus Christ as being God and the only way to God? John 14:6

[@browncony3897]

​ @bridgefin *Still dodging ... So the question remained: Roman religion teaches “submit to Roman pope to be saved”. Do you follow that? Is it biblical?*

[@rubenoeschger5728]

And so it is still today. There is a remnant in the universal church that are truly believing, Spirit filled Christians.

[@user-bx4ti6ig3i]

Very blessed that God lead my father out of the Catholic Church while we were very young children. I can not even recall learning anything about God in the Catholic Church but learned so much as a young child in the Christian church in a short amount of time. The Christian beliefs broke my father away of all sins. He was an alcoholic, womanizer, foul mouth, hating, junkie of a man. He turned 180° in a short period of time.

[@sonjiachilds]

Praise God!!

[@happyforever1528]

That's what God does , we were a Catholic family , I got saved first , and when my Mother saw the change in me she could not believe her eyes , @the age of 86 she gave her like to Jesus Christ with tears running down her cheeks , she died a few mths. later and is now ay Home with the Lord ! HalleluJah !.

[@jayonnaj18]

Glory Hallelujah, @user-bx4ti6ig3i, what WONDERFUL NEWS!

[@happyforever1528]

That's what happens when Almighty God calls you into His kingdom , We were chosen by God the Father in Jesus Christ before the world was made , back in old l eternity , not because of any good He foresaw in us , but because He loved us , we were called into the knowledge of our salvation @ our appointed time , you belonged to Almighty God even before you were born , Jesus Christ had already paid in Full the penalty for All of your sins , for by one sacrifice He has perfected Forever those who are being sanctified !.Cheers from another ex Romanist , see you up there Broth ! .

[@josephdalelio6684]

NOT FOR BROWN'S TWISTED CONCOCTIONS!

[@jonathant3694]

Which of the 40,000 protestant denomination is the right one? Do I get to go through them all till I find one that fits my needs and current feelings? Also when that "church" start saying and doing things that goes against how I interpret the bible do I just move to the next denomination down the line?

[@RapunzelASMR]

Just the bible and Jesus. Its simple.

[@ice2chillzz257]

It’s only one faith and one baptism. That’s Jesus Christ. Baptism meaning (interning into Christ by your faith), not water submerged. They’ve lied all those years.

[@RapunzelASMR]

@@ice2chillzz257 why do you say its a lie when they did this in the bible and Jesus called to go make disciples and then baptise them

[@ice2chillzz257]

@@RapunzelASMR that’s John’s baptism, before Jesus went to the cross. One baptism means one way to heaven which is Christ.

[@lbn27]

Thanks for sharing ,a ligth of faith

[@GuruRasaVonWerder]

Hope God lets you off on the defense of insanity.

[@watawatan0w]

The bread and wine is there to remember Jesus' finished work at the cross. Bread and wine does not give forgiveness, but serve as a reminder of the forgiveness.

[@Mike-pf1ru]

John 6:53 doesn’t allow for your private interpretation.

[@pattih7]

Yes, it’s a remember an email moment, of Jesus. He said to do this in remembrance 36:20 of Me. In remembrance of our Savior and Lord.🙏🧡🙏🧡🙏

[@Mike-pf1ru]

@@watawatan0w The only time the words New Covenant appear in scripture is at the institution of Holy Communion at the Last Supper by our Lord Jesus Christ. He had just finished the last ever Passover and instituted the New Passover in the following moment, bringing in the New Testament, which is ratified in his blood. He commanded that this continue. “Do this in memory of Me.” The Mass is how we continue.

[@watawatan0w]

@@Mike-pf1ru I'm sorry, but you are taking that scripture and taking it literally and then using it figuratively. The bread and wine and is not the literal flesh and blood of Christ.

[@Mike-pf1ru]

@@watawatan0w Why do you think that?

[@richjones1049]

All praise to the Lord Jesus Christ and to His Virgin Mother.

[@josephdalelio6684]

rammarPoliceBot 7 months ago I was a reformed Baptist and struggled with a particular set of sins for the past 10 years. It caused doubt, confusion, shame, and constant dissonance. I learned Catholic theology and read the catechism’s teachings on that subject ONE TIME and I no longer struggle. I’ve quit and look forward to joining the Church.

[@pomegranate6221]

​@@josephdalelio6684 You poor thing😢

[@josephdalelio6684]

@@pomegranate6221 you pathetic fool

[@josephdalelio6684]

NSWER WHAT THE MAN SAYS, YOU MISGUIDED SOUL

[@philparsons852]

The Catholic Church are the original Christian’s

[@christineperedetto451]

I was a Roman Catholic all of my life..... Then I was born from above and the Spirit showed me the heresy of catholicism

[@bridgefin]

You are listening to the demons who long for you to join them. You are now on your way.

[@TheBinaryWolf]

Congratulations on joining the true family of God. Expect demon-filled Catholics to mock you as they mock Jesus every Sunday morning, ignorant of Heb.6:4-6. When the Holy Spirit speaks through you and they mock you, they blaspheme the Holy Spirit...the unpardonable sin. Count it a blessing the be ridiculed by the enemies of Christ.

[@bridgefin]

No, it is Jesus who is behind his church. The demons hate him and hate Catholicism. You will find that out for yourself.

[@TheBinaryWolf]

I see that your Holy Spirit led confession has evoke the demon-possessed to rise up like vipers. My, how Satan hates people who follow Christ and not the blasphemous pope.

[@bridgefin]

@@TheBinaryWolf Just defending Jesus against those same vipers. You can't see it now but you will before long.

[@jediv9910]

​ @Bridgefin *The question should be: Did God command Moses to make those cherubims and bronze serpent? Yes. Did God command R Church to make statues and bow down to them? No.* *Stop giving excuses for your idolatry.* Did Jesus make and bow down to statues? No. Did nt Apostles make and bow down to statues? No. Did Mary make and bow down to statues? No. Did any nt believers make and bow down to statues? No. you said You just misquoted and added to Scripture so that it would fit YOUR agenda. Did God violate the 2nd commandment when he ordered Moses to make 3 statues? No, nor do we.

[@jediv9910]

@@josephdalelio6684 *You did not answer: Did God command R Church to make statues and bow down to them? No.* *Stop giving excuses for your idolatry.* Did Jesus make and bow down to statues? No. Did nt Apostles make and bow down to statues? No. Did Mary make and bow down to statues? No. Did any nt believers make and bow down to statues? No.

[@nosuchthing8]

Let me guess. You want to keep statues from the civil war but not statues in a church? 😂

[@jediv9910]

@@nosuchthing8 *You lack intelligence. Try harder.*

[@josephdalelio6684]

@@jediv9910 tHEY DIDN'T BECAUSE THEY WERE ALIVE AT THE TIME. THE FIRST IMAGES OCCURRED IN THE LAST DECADE OF THE FIRST CENTURY IN THE CATACOMBS

[@josephdalelio6684]

@@jediv9910 What’s up with all the pictures? Isn’t that like idol worship? Doesn’t the Bible forbid that? Explaining iconography to someone who doesn’t pray with icons can be a little daunting. For us Orthodox, it’s as natural and normal as reading the Gospel, and we all sort of instinctively know that we’re not worshiping the icons. So what does the Bible say about images, and why do we have icons? First off, typically when people try to say that the Bible forbids icons or images they are referring to the Ten Commandments: You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them or serve them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments. Some Christians throughout history have interpreted this passage to mean that no religious images or visual art are allowed by God. In fact, the Church struggled with this issue throughout the eighth and ninth centuries finally defeating iconoclasm and upholding the use of icons in worship, a day we celebrate every year on the Triumph of Orthodoxy. The Church made clear the position of images in the worship of the Church and their relationship to the second commandment: The Triumph of Orthodoxy. We even have an icon about icons. Image from Wikimedia The Triumph of Orthodoxy. We even have an icon about icons. Image from Wikimedia The Incarnation is a game-changer. Christ made visible the invisible God, and thus it is allowed that images of Him be depicted. Icons depict real people. The second commandment protects us from creating fantastical creatures that replace the true God. Icons depict real people and events that draw us to the true God. Worship and veneration are not the same. Worshiping an idol is the equivalent of replacing God with a created thing (or ideology or passion). Venerating an icon is an act of respect and love that glorifies the Creator (sort of like saluting to a soldier is an act of respect and honor that shows your loyalty to your country). God instructed Moses to create images. Just in case anyone thought God’s commandment to Moses excluded all visual images of anything as idols, check out Exodus 36:35-37:9 where, per the instructions of God, Moses has images of cherubim embroidered into the curtains of the tabernacle and statues of the same cast for the Ark of the Covenant. Obviously, then, it is not images that are an issue, but our relationship to images. So what do icons do for us and why do we love them? Icons teach us our history. In the early Church, never mind the fact that there was no official New Testament canon for almost 400 years, there were very few copies of the Scriptures (no printing press), and not all Christians were literate. Even today, we have a huge contingency of Christians who do not read-you know, everyone under the age of five. Icons teach us the stories of Scripture and the lives of the saints-the whole story of salvation-and invite us to be a part of that history. Icons teach us our theology. Icons are no ordinary paintings. They are full of symbolic meaning to convey the theological truths of the True Faith. From the colors to the stances of the people, to the scenery and lighting, icons teach us who God is, and who we are in relation to Him. For example, in most of the festal icons of Christ (Nativity, Theophany, Crucifixion, Resurrection), you’ll notice that Christ is the Light emerging from the darkness (of the cave, the water, Golgotha, Hades). Or you’ll typically see Christ wearing a red tunic with a blue cloak, showing us that he was divine (red) but took on humanity (blue), and his mother is typically dressed opposite as she-and we-are human (blue) who take on Christ’s divinity (red). Icons draw us near to the saints. We believe in a Church that is united across both space and time. In other words, the saints that have preceded us are just as much a part of the Living Body of Christ as our own friends and family. Just as we might cherish an image of a loved one who is no longer physically with us (and we might carry that image with us or even kiss it when we miss them), we cherish the images of Christ, His mother, and the saints as images of those we love and who guide us in our own lives. Icons call us to be still and worship. Unlike other forms of visual art, Orthodox iconography is specifically created with worship in mind. There is a stillness and a peace about the figures, even when they are shown “in action.” What seems to be a reverse in perspective is a message to us that it is we who vanish in the distance when we move away from God. Icons help us focus our prayers to God and help us dispel the distracting images that flit through our minds at the prompting of the demons. Icons call us to the heavenly realm. Everything about icons that we’ve already mentioned-their themes, their symbols, their characters, their artistic style-seek to draw us toward Christ and His holy ones. This is another reason that icons are not painted realistically; they are meant to draw us not to themselves, but beyond the images to the heavenly reality they depict. Unlike other art and certainly unlike idols, icons do not allow us to get stuck in the beauty of this world but call us to be a part of a world transfigured by God’s grace and love.

[@BrianKreitzberg]

Dear Sir, I've experienced the Holy Spirit's action in my Catholic life. Sincerely, BK

[@growlkitty]

For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works. 2 Corinthians 11: 13-15 I'm quite certain that the spirit you experienced was not a "Holy Spirit;" That would be an impossibility!

[@BrianKreitzberg]

Participation in the sacraments of the Catholic Church is a participation in the grace of the Holy Spirit.

[@growlkitty]

@user-nt9pj4bl6v If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. James 2: 8-9 If adhere to the Scriptures; the Holy Bible and the Bible only (not the filthy, corrupt, man-written Roman catholic catechism) then "I do well." But if I take heed to another source or another person opinion, than I commit sin and it will be used against me. Jesus not transform Himself into an energy beam or whatever and become a cracker during the pagan based communion ritual performed during the mass. What you "experienced" was an illusion; it's just hocus-pocus. Jesus Christ did not ordain any such practices nor did any of the apostles of Christ. It's a performance some human whipped out of hat and that is all.

[@Luke-md7up]

@@BrianKreitzbergthat’s just heretical.

[@browncony3897]

​ @user-nt9pj4bl6v *Bible does not teach "Roman religion = the Universal Church or Church CHrist founded". Neither "Roman pagan Mass (sacrificing Jesus on the altar back to God)" or "Roman pagan transubstantiation (elements transforms into JEsus to be eaten by Roman pagans)". So why would it be "participation in the ...."?* you said Participation in the sacraments of the Catholic Church is a participation in the grace of the Holy Spirit.

[@danmike2305]

Very, very true. Thanks, john MacArthur. May they redirect their views.

[@jediv3381]

​ @richardnickerson1006 *nt Church of the Bible did not have Roman pontiff neither Roman priests, neither did Apostles pray to dead saints or Mary, neither did Apostles and Jesus make statues for Mary and saint .. Neither bow down to statues .. Neither Roman unholy water, neither sinless Mary, neither veneration of skulls bones tongues ... So where are all these man made doctrines of Rome in the Bible? Neither all the below man made doctrines! Wonder where they come from?* *There was never a Catholic Church in the Bible.* *There was never a R Catholic Church in the Bible.* *There was never a Catholic in the Bible.* *There was never a Roman Catholic in the Bible.* *There was never a R Church pope in the Bible.* *There was never a R Church priest in the Bible.* *There was never a R Church cardinal in the Bible.* *There was never a R Church sinless Mary in the Bible.* *There was never a R Church unholy water in the Bible.* *There was never a R Church penance in the Bible.* *There was never a R Church purgatory in the Bible.* *There was never a R Church canonised saint in the Bible.* *There was never an Nt believer who made or bow down to statues in the Bible.* *There was never an Nt believer who prays or received prayers from passed saints or Mary in the Bible.* *There was never an ecumenical council with bishops of all churches that decided the canon in history* *If you can find one example in the New Testament I will give you a lollipop.* *nt church of the Apostles did not have such practices. Answer me: did apostles make and bow down to statues? Did Apostles ask passed on saints to pray for them? Or sprinkle "holy" water on believers? Or wore fishhead hat and costumes? Or cite hocus pocus when they serve the communion? They merely broke bread and passed around the table. Did they demand believers to kneel in front of them to serve them communion? Or did Peter ask believers to kiss his hands and feet? Or did Apostles venerate statues, bones or relics?* *You do see clearly it all came from practices of believers after the Apostles - which Rcs claimed its from early writings. They had already deviated from the Apostles and Jesus. What Rcc called doctrines were merely partly traditions of errant believers + partly its own self traditions. Totally not from Jesus and Apostles at all.*

[@josephdalelio6684]

Not by Scripture Alone: A Refutation of Sola Scriptura Kindle Edition by Robert S. Boylan (Author), Ranyane Melo (Editor) Format: Kindle Edition 4.1 4.1 out of 5 stars 17 ratings See all formats and editions This is perhaps the most sustained critique of the formal doctrine of Protestantism, Sola Scriptura, in print that I am aware of. All the "proof-texts" are exegeted carefully, including 1 Cor 4:6, 2 Tim 3:16-17, Rev 22:18-19, Rom 15:4, Acts 17:11, and Isa 8:20. There is also an appendix discussing important patristic-era authors and how they did not function in a way commensurate with the doctrine/practice of Sola Scriptura and the formal sufficiency of the bible (e.g., Irenaeus of Lyons). I also discuss texts and arguments one should *not* use against this doctrine, such as the (false) claim there are 30,000+ Protestant denominations. When one is finished reading this volume, one will be equipped to be able to answer all possible biblical "proofs" for the formal sufficiency of the Bible as well as discuss the overwhelming exegetical problems with this doctrine. Furthermore, any Protestant reading this volume will, on the basis of biblical exegesis, be forced to reconsider their adherence to this man-made doctrine, though they will find the tone of this volume respectful and scholarly. Robert Boylan

[@jediv3381]

@@josephdalelio6684 *Jesus and Apostles all took doctrines from Scriptures Only. That’s already Sola Scriptura. It’s irrefutable.* 31 Verses Found, 31 Matches on the word “Scripture” 21 Verses Found, 21 Matches on the word “Scriptures 127 Verses Found, 132 Matches on the words “it is written” referring to Written Word/Scriptures.

[@PInk77W1]

Protestants have no doctrines Protestants have no unity Protestants have no history Protestants have no power Protestants have no authority Protestants have no sacraments

[@josephdalelio6684]

Leaving the Fold: Testimonies of Former Fundamentalists Hardcover - January 1, 1995 by Edward T. Babinski (Editor) 4.0 4.0 out of 5 stars 25 ratings 3.9 on Goodreads 48 ratings See all formats and editions Protestant fundamentalism claims many converts each year as the devout serve as "witnesses" to draw people "into the fold." This is where the media hype stops. Little is known of the thousands who leave, frustrated, anguished, confused. For them there are no trumpets of glory, no energized fanfare. No one knows fundamentalism like a fundamentalist, and no one can express what it means to struggle with one's faith to the breaking point, like an ex-fundamentalist. After presenting a fascinating history of "Fundamentalism's Grotesque Past," this riveting new collection offers testimonies of former fundamentalists who became so disillusioned with their church that they chose to leave. Presenting more than thirty personal journeys, this book gives a clear picture of what attracts a person to the fundamentalist faith and what can drive believers away from their religion. Leaving the Fold includes the religious odysseys of those who left fundamentalism behind in favor of atheism or agnosticism, as well as the spiritual journeys of those who remained Christians but backed away from the powerful attraction of fundamentalism. These testimonies convey not only deep feelings and penetrating facts, but the appeal of dogmatic fundamentalism and each individual's struggle to maintain their faith. Leaving the Fold discusses the fears and dilemmas faced by each person who chose to part ways with the church, their gradual dawning of courage to continue asking questions, and their success in giving their intellectual curiosity the freedom it craves. Christians, atheists, and those who may be questioning their own religious convictions will find Leaving the Fold engrossing. This volume also contains a collection of quotations and an annotated bibliography for those interested in tracking down further testimonies.

[@mauielectriccruisers]

Mass is not a perpetual (killing) of Christ, it’s a perpetual partaking of it, an ongoing faithful confession of sin, and the (BLOOD) of his son Christ Jesus, cleanses us from all sin. Listen, Bloody Mary will spend a billion years in purgatory for what she did, but you and I will perish eternally in hell, if we don’t get this right. I’ll debate you at a time and place of your choosing…

[@hoerimchoi4461]

You wish that is the meaning. But it is not how it is stated in their code!

[@noradohm3073]

Amen! Stand Firm and keep Preaching Truth!

[@mitchellosmer1293]

quote---Stand Firm and keep Preaching Truth!--unquote Who's truth? that of God or the catholic Church?

[@Dechieftian]

One of the Truth's I hear the foul mouth MacArthur mention was ' the world is not more than ten thousand years old' .. now who for God's sake believe's that nonsense. Well fould mouth MacArthur does. So what else is he preaching that is just plain wrong! Lots I bet ..

[@mitchellosmer1293]

@@Dechieftian quote-One of the Truth's I hear the foul mouth MacArthur mention was ' the world is not more than ten thousand years old' .. now who for God's sake believe's that nonsense. --unquote That makes you an atheist!!!! Obviously you DO NOT believe in the Holy Bible NOR believe in FACTS!!! Accoding to the HOLY BIBLE, God created the earth a littler over 6000 years ago. -----

[@1234poppycat]

@@mitchellosmer1293 God AND the Catholic Church - HIS Church

[@mitchellosmer1293]

@@1234poppycat quote---God AND the Catholic Church - HIS Church--unquote AGAIN, as always--THAT IS AN OPINION!!!! Quote the Book, chapter and verses that mentions "Catholic Church"!!!!! All you can quote are opinions from the Catholic Church. In the NT: According to Revelation 1:11, on the Greek island of Patmos, Jesus Christ instructs John of Patmos to: "Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven Churches: to Ephesus, and to Smyrna, and to Pergamum, and to Thyatira, and to Sardis, and to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea." Assembly of the saints. Psalm 89:7 God is greatly to be feared in the assembly of the saints, and to be had in reverence of all them that are about him. Body of Christ. Ephesians 1:22-23 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, 23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all. Church of God. Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. Church of the Living God. 1 Timothy 3:15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth. Church of the first-born. Hebrews 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, General assembly of the first-born. Hebrews 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, House of God. 1 Timothy 3:15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth. Hebrews 10:21 And having an high priest over the house of God; House of the God of Jacob. Isaiah 2:3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. House of Christ. Hebrews 3:6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end. Household of God. Ephesians 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; Sanctuary of God. Psalm 114:2 Judah was his sanctuary, and Israel his dominion. Temple of God. 1 Corinthians 3:16-17 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are. Temple of the Living God. 2 Corinthians 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. THAT IS the list of names of churches ALL in the Holy Bible!!! Tell me, WHERE is the name :Catholic" mentioned?????????? The FIRST time it was even written was by Ignatius Of Antioch in 110AD!!!!! First Catholic church in Jurasalem? The Church of the Holy Sepulchre lies in the northwest quarter of the Old City of Jerusalem. Constantine the Great first built a church on the site. It was dedicated about 336 CE, burned by the Persians in 614, AGAIN: Dedicated in 336AD!!!!! LONG AFTER Jesus!!!!!

[@ilonkastille2993]

The Bible is Catholic. The Church Jesus instituted , one Church , not tens of thousands of them, is the Catholic Church. The Evil One who hates God, Hates the Word incarnate and hates His Church, will do anything to destroy . It will not succeed and we have been promised that by Jesus Himself.

[@jediv3381]

​ @richardnickerson1006 *Bible says clergy priesthood, altars and sacrifices were already obsolete. Heb 7,9,10. Since when did Jesus presented Himself at an altar? Since when did Apostles presented Jesus on any altars? Where? WHere did Roman pagan altars and Roman pagan priesthood come from? Where?* *NT Christians broke bread in a house Church. They passed around the elements over the table. There was no altar. There was no clergy priesthood. They did not present JEsus as a sacrifice on any altars. There was no vestments and weird hats of Roman pagan religion. WHere did all thesens come from?*

[@josephdalelio6684]

No, early Church Fathers did not believe in sola scriptura, or scripture alone, but rather that Scripture and tradition should be considered together. They believed that Scripture should be read and interpreted through the lens of tradition, and that there was a need to test the accuracy of interpretations. Here are some other things to know about the early Church Fathers' beliefs: Scripture's meaning The early Church Fathers believed that Scripture had multiple layers of meaning, and that Jesus Christ could be seen throughout the Bible, even in the Old Testament. Interpretation The early Church used the practices of ancient literary scholars to interpret Scripture, including grammar, language, rhetoric, and style. Salvation The early Church Fathers believed that salvation is achieved through faith and love, as demonstrated by works and obedience to the law. Why I’m Catholic: Sola Scriptura Isn’t Historical, Part IV | Catholic Answers Magazine Catholic Answers 5 Solas: Sola Fide in the Church Fathers - Gospel Reformation: UK Jul 2, 2021 - Yet, couldn't we simply claim Sola Scriptura and be done with their objection? Well, yes and no. Yes in the sense that ... Gospel Reformation: UK Did the Early Christians Subscribe to Sola Scriptura? Apr 1, 2009 - do not reject tradition or ecclesial authority; indeed, they have a high regard for both and believe that Scripture can... Catholic Answers Show all Generative AI is experimental. It is clear the early Church Fathers appealed to Tradition alongside Scripture. This Tradition was normative, substantive, available to all, and preserved by the Apostolic Churches, particularly the See of Rome. Did the Church Fathers Believe in Sola Scriptura by Joseph ... Catholic Fidelity www.catholicfidelity.com › did-the-church-fathe... About featured snippets • Feedback Why I'm Catholic: Sola Scriptura Isn't Historical, Part IV Catholic Answers www.catholic.com › magazine › online-edition Of course, Protestant apologists will insist that the Fathers of the Church did in fact believe in sola scriptura, and to demonstrate this they will quote ... Church Fathers supporting Sola scriptura????

[@jediv3381]

@@josephdalelio6684 *They did. So many early writers mentioned the Exact Words “Scripture Alone” in their writings.*

[@jediv3381]

@@josephdalelio6684 *Jesus and Apostles all took doctrines from Scriptures Only. That’s already Sola Scriptura. It’s irrefutable.* 31 Verses Found, 31 Matches on the word “Scripture” 21 Verses Found, 21 Matches on the word “Scriptures 127 Verses Found, 132 Matches on the words “it is written” referring to Written Word/Scriptures.

[@carstenmanz302]

@@jediv3381 You mean from OT, cause early Christians had no own scriptures, only some letters and oral gospel tradition.

[@jediv3381]

@@carstenmanz302 *They had OT Scriptures. ANd NT Scriptures by ad110. So?*

[@brendalaird6942]

I have learned so much from these videos! I knew Catholic doctrine was wrong but now I understand why. I should pray for these people who are Catholic.

[@johnsteila6049]

Don’t be too naive. The Catholic Church has existed since Jesus.

[@bridgefin]

No, Brenda, pray for yourself who refuses to join Jesus in the only church he established for your salvation.

[@Dechieftian]

so explain then why there are literally tens of thousands of Christian denominations - all reading from the same Scriptures. Why such confusion .. windbags like MacArthur and his ilk .. the part time preachers in the tailored suit. Yep .. they are apostles alright .. thieving bastards all.

[@johnwilson8810]

We Catholics are in Jesus church. Yes plse pray for us. Most Protestants hate Jesus church. We can always use your prayers. Too bad Jesus didn’t build all those 40,000 Protestant denominations. That’s the kind of thing Satan does to separate you from us. MacArthur helps him too. Come back to the church of your ancestors.

[@brucewmclaughlin9072]

The deceived do not believe they are deceived and thus much harder to show them the way till the Holy Spirit convicts them of the truth. All the catholic in-laws I have have no idea of what they believe just that they believe what the church tells them.

[@browncony3897]

*95% of R Church doctrines were unheard of in 1st century and not from traditions of Jesus and Apostles or Scriptures or contradicts Scriptures! Jesus, Apostles and Nt Church of the Bible had not heard or practised any of these Rc doctrines.* 1. Purgatory 2. Confessing to priests 3. Office of pope or priests4. Pope being the vicar (representation of Christ, usurping the authority of God)5. Praying to Mary, saints6. Penance 7. Worshipping idols/images, placing idols images in church8. Church in the Bible is not building, but the body of believers9. Sacrament was never the real body and blood of Christ as RC church claimed (Real meaning real blood and body, bcos it didnt really turned "bloody" did it?)10. Salvation by (works (7sacraments) +faith) was never in the Bible. Real salvation is by grace through faith as seen in Bible. 11. Rosary, set repetitive prayers, hail Mary 10000 times12. Mass - putting Christ on the altar again and again13. Mary as queen of heaven 14. Mary as Ark of the new covenant. 15. Mary as the mother of heavenly Jesus thus Mary exist before Christ16. Immersion of infant for baptism17. Holy water18. Celibacy of priests (no office of priests in NT anyway, only priesthood of all believers)19. Kissing of statues20. Changing of 10 commandments. COmmandment of graven image removed by Catholic CHurch in Catholic Catechism. Splitting of another commandment into 2 commandments. 21. Catholic church changed Bible verse Gen 3:15 (And I will put enmity Between you and the woman, And between your seed and her Seed; He shall bruise your head, And you shall bruise His heel."). 'He' and 'His' referring to Christ. Catholics changed it to (Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity Between you and the woman, And between your seed and her Seed; She shall bruise your head, And you shall bruise Her heel.") 'She' and 'Her' refers to Mary. 22. Catholic Church use Rev 12 to refer to Mary as 'queen of heaven', when Rev 12:6 clearly refers to Israel escaping the Great Tribulation. Mary cannot be alive to escape the Great Tribulation. 23. Catholic Church refers to Mary as 'Queen of heaven', but 'Queen of Mary' in the Bible is a demonic entity Astoreth or Ishtar, the female deity partner of Baal. 5 verses in Jeremiah as proof.24. Catholic church refers to Mary as the Mediatress, Co redemptress, helper of Christ, firstborn of all creation .. Mary cannot be the mediatress. Jesus is the one and only Mediator between God and man. Only Jesus redeems. Only the Holy Spirit is the Helper sent by Jesus. Only Jesus is the firstborn of all creation. 25. Roman Catholicism has “saints” one can pray to in order to gain a particular blessing. For example, Saint Gianna Beretta Molla is the patron saint of fertility. Francis of Assisi is the patron saint of animals. There are multiple patron saints of healing and comfort. Nowhere is even a hint of this taught in Scripture. Just as the Roman pantheon of gods had a god of love, a god of peace, a god of war, a god of strength, a god of wisdom, etc., so the Catholic Church has a saint who is “in charge” over each of these and many other categories. Many Roman cities had a god specific to the city, and the Catholic Church provided “patron saints” for cities as well.26. Mary is called the gate of heaven? Mary has keys to paradise? Here are roman pagan teachers saying their man made goddess is their savior. None of these quotes have been denounced, on the contrary they are cited. "Open to us, O Mary, the gate of Paradise, since you have its keys! " St. Ambrose "God has entrusted the keys and treasures of Heaven to Mary." St. Thomas Aquinas "No one can enter into Heaven except through Mary, as entering through a gate. " St. Bonaventure "Mary is called "The Gate of Heaven" because no one can enter Heaven but through her means." St. Alphonsus Maria Liguori Papal infallibility Immaculate Mary Assumption of Mary Perpetual Virgin Mary as Mother of God, co mediatrix, co redemptrix, new ark of covenant, Pope as vicar, Holy Water, papacy, peter as first pope, papal succession, apostolic succession, indulgences, 7 sacraments, rosary veneration of saints and statues celibacy of priesthood canonization of saints limbo submit to roman pope to be saved devote to roman Mary to be saved be in Roman religion to be saved baptise in Roman baptism to be saved partake Roman sacraments to be saved baptism of blood calling Roman pope Lord God or equal to God

[@bonniemagpie9960]

You are right about everything. Don't forget that Mary never stayed a virgin. She and Joseph had five or six other children after The Birth of Christ. Thankyou for all your in depth study and examination, better than me😊.

[@nosuchthing8]

Good list of lies. Catholics ask Mary to pray for us. God forbid you do a second of research when you can spend a lifetime believing lies: Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death, Amen

[@browncony3897]

@@nosuchthing8 *Roman pagans like you say God’s Word is a lie.*

[@browncony3897]

@@nosuchthing8 *These doctrines were unheard of in 1st century. All man made doctrines of pagan Roman religion.*

[@browncony3897]

​@@nosuchthing8 *Bible does not say Mary is your momma. Neither Mary as holy. Neither Mary is Mother of God. So where did Roman pagans get all your NS?* you said Holy Mary, Mother of God

[@solafide9533]

​ @savannahfan *Yes the result matters. You failed to cite an Ecumenical Council with bishops of all churches that fixed a Universal Canon yet. Still waiting ..* 1 2 3 *Local canons from local councils is nothing. Why? There were so many local canons before Roman canon and even till ad692 and 1442. So how do you know which local canon is the correct one?*

[@josephdalelio6684]

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[@browncony3897]

​ @chrismason8476 *Please explain why Roman pagans claimed "Church of Rome (a local church in history) = the Universal Church or Church"? WHy? WHy would a local church be the Church which meant all local churches + all believers. Why?* you said As I said, the Church Christ founded is ONE Church - not many.

[@josephdalelio6684]

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[@josephdalelio6684]

LITERACY IN THE GRECO-ROMAN WORLD" According to most historians, very few inhabitants of the Greco-Roman world were able to read even the simplest documents, and few could write as much as their own name. In that respect, Roman antiquity conforms to our expectations about the world in general before mass education, the printing press, the industrial revolution, and all the paraphernalia of modern, western civilization. Because there is no “hard evidence,” however, as to the percentage of individuals who were literate in the Roman world, we must depend upon the collective writings of that era for an answer. Most scholars today believe the literacy rate of the Roman population around the time of Augustus, to have been between 10-20 percent of the entire population; the most liberal scholars believe that number could have been as many as 33 percent. Because very few people possessed the skill of writing, there was a group of people in the New Testament who were called “scribes” - so few people could write that a trained professional subgroup was required to handle the writing needs of the whole community. Here are some important points to consider: ~Modern universal literacy is associated with the Industrial Revolution.

[@browncony3897]

​ @josephdalelio6684 *Hilarious claims. Even if they could not read they could listen to preaching of Scriptures. Acts 17:11 recorded believers searching God's Word.* *After all Sola Scriptura just meant "taking doctrines from Scriptures Only". It does not matter if it was listening or reading.* you said LITERACY IN THE GRECO-ROMAN WORLD" According to most historians, very few inhabitants of the Greco-Roman world were able to read even the simplest documents, and few could write as much as their own name.

[@josephdalelio6684]

@@browncony3897 Read the early church fathers to find out what the early church fathers.

[@browncony3897]

@@josephdalelio6684 *I read more early writings than most RCs. So?*

[@ilonkastille2993]

Only two types of people will fall for this lie/trick . 1. Those who are ignorant. 2. Those who are evil.

[@terryqueenjr.6700]

Sorry your the ignorant one

[@ilonkastille2993]

@@terryqueenjr.6700 I don't mind you telling me that because I know there is ONLY ONE church which Christ instituted and those who split from that Church, took 7 books away from the bible which is ALSO from that Church , will never know the fullness of the Faith. Hate against the true Church says enough and therefore I am saying : either ignorant or evil. God is merciful, He gives us until the last minute of our life to ask for forgiveness and HE will give it if we ask for it.

[@Flash023]

I took RCIA class as an adult and I almost joined the Catholic Church. These podcasts convinced me otherwise

[@hamidrabiipour9707]

So you did fall in the trap! What a shame! Watch Dr John Bergsma explaining why he left Calvinism & after many years of research decided to become Catholic. You will certainly learn & comprehend scripture & Christian faith the correct way.

[@browncony3897]

​@@hamidrabiipour9707 *WHy follow false teachers of Rome?*

[@browncony3897]

​ @hamidrabiipour9707 *RC Hamid. So you even read the Bible? You are just blatheringnsalldays.*

[@Flash023]

@@hamidrabiipour9707 I will check it out. The subject is fascinating

[@hamidrabiipour9707]

@@Flash023 I would be interested to read your thoughts after you watch his testimony. TKS

[@browncony3897]

​ @josephdalelio6684 *You failed to answer once again. If Roman religion is truth or Church of the Bible, then why was there not a single New Testament believer saved in a Roman Catholic way in the whole Bible? Why? Explain coherently intelligently.* - submit to Roman pope to be saved - devote to Roman Mary to be saved - be in Roman Church to be saved - partake Roman sacraments to be saved - baptise in Roman baptism to be saved - do lots of works to be saved

[@faithalone2171]

​ @DD-bx8rb *It's funny RCs could never provide a single proof of : "Church is the final authority" or "ROman religion = the Church or Universal Church". Self claims is not proof for doctrines RC.* you said Also, you will aslo note how the Protestants quote the Early Fathers when the Fathers refer to Scripture and say this proves the Fathers held the doctrine of Sola Scriptura!!! Funny indeed. What they fail to admit is (1) the Fathers simply loved Scripture and rightly used it (2) When there was a dispute over the meaning of Scripture or when a heretic did not accept the Churches understanding of Scripture the Fathers referred it to the Final Authority of the Church (3) The Final Authority for thre Fathers was the Church, and they never left it like the Protestants. Peace be with you brother.

[@josephdalelio6684]

tHE cchurch is the pillar and ground of truth not writings whicch is what scripturae, graphe and ketubim mean latin, greek and hebrew

[@faithalone2171]

@@josephdalelio6684 *What if a Church does not follow God’s Word? Would you still call it a pillar of truth? Pillar of truth does not mean source of truth. It merely meant Church handles truth. Bible says God’s Word is truth. Jn **17:17**.*

[@jediv3381]

​ @privatecitizen8909 *If Sola Scriptura is false, then explain why 180+ verses Jesus, APostles and NT Church demonstrating taking from Scriptures Only and not once from any other source/sources? Were they all false teachers according to RCs?* *They did rely on Scriptures only. 180+ verses say so. They only took doctrines from Written WOrd only. If you claim otherwise, please cite which other source they took doctrines from:* 1 2 3 *You can't.* *Sola Scriptura does not say "Scriptures is the sole rule of faith or the only truth or the only authority". It merely says "even authorities like Jesus, Apostles, Church leaders, Church took doctrines from Scriptures only and not from any other source".* you said Sola scriptura isn’t in the Bible, yet you continue to invoke it as the sole rule for faith. If you long for the primitive Church you will find that they didn’t rely on the Bible at all!!! If you don’t understand what I mean when I write the primitive church didn’t rely on the Bible, you should know that the New Testament wasn’t written or accepted as being canonical until the 3rd century.

[@josephdalelio6684]

According to the Bible, God may allow temporal punishment to remain after remitting the eternal penalty for sin for a number of reasons, including: Teaching lessons Negative consequences can help people learn about the wrongness of their actions. People tend to learn from their mistakes more than their successes. Discipline God disciplines his children for his good, so that they may share his holiness. If God never disciplined his children, he would not be a good father. Showing love God allows us to experience some of the temporal consequences of sin to show his love for us. Some examples of temporal punishment include David's infant son dying, the sword passing through David's house, and Moses not being allowed to go into the promised land.

[@jediv3381]

@@josephdalelio6684 *Nice fairy tales. Where did you get all your ns? You wrote your own Bible? Chap verse?*

[@brianwinters5434]

As the old hymn says faith of our fathers abiding still in spite of dungeon flame and sword.

[@1234poppycat]

Yes exactly .. The Catholic Church has been consistently persecuted since its foundation at Pentecost

[@jesusfaith2232]

@@1234poppycat 😂 still unteachable I see! ….yummy flesh!

[@1234poppycat]

@@jesusfaith2232 Still not able to make a coherent point

[@jesusfaith2232]

@@1234poppycat 😂 still unteachable I see! ….yummy flesh!

[@jesusfaith2232]

@@1234poppycat The Enemy from within destroying the Catholic Church ..by E. Gajewski Over one hundred years ago Pope Pius X warned us of the enemy not from without but from within. Vatican II, the cult of man. Pope Paul 6th equated Vatican II to the cult of man. Vatican II foundationally speaking comes from man and not God. It is the religion of man which hides behind the whole “human dignity” babble just as Pope St. Pius X warned. Vatican II is not centered around the Church’s teaching on the Social Kingship of Christ but rather of the united brotherhood of man. Archbishop Lefebvre understood when he said, ““We cannot work together with these enemies of Our Lord’s reign. “We cannot follow these people. They’re in apostasy, … “How did the union, against nature, between the Church and the Revolution give birth to the monster (Vatican II), whose incoherencies now fill with fright even its most ardent supporters?” (Archbishop Lefebvre, “They Have Uncrowned Him”, 1988) ….. Me: Pope Frances : 30th Jan 2021 Pope criticises Catholics who reject Vatican 2 Quote “ Those who reject the teachings of the Second Vatican Council are placing themselves outside the church, either you are with the Church and therefore you follow the council, or you interpret it in your own away - according to your desire - and you do not stand with the Church,” Warning against a mentality which says “we are the true Catholics”, he cited those believers who split from the Roman Church following the First Vatican Council (1869-70) over the teaching on papal infallibility, and are part of the “Old Catholic Church”. Francis said that today this group ordains women, which runs contrary to official Catholic teaching. The 84-year-old Jesuit Pope told members of the National Catechetical Office of the Italian Bishops’ Conference. Me: look up the list of “Old Catholic Church “ ~~~~~~~~~~ The Pew study, issued Aug. 5, showed that 69% of all self-identified Catholics said they believed the bread and wine used at Mass are not Jesus, but instead "symbols of the body and blood of Jesus Christ." The other 31% believed in the real presence of Jesus in the Eucharist, known as transubstantiation. "Most Catholics who believe that the bread and wine are symbolic do not know that the church holds that transubstantiation occurs," said Gregory Smith, associate director of research at Pew Research Center in Washington. "Overall, 43% of Catholics believe that the bread and wine are symbolic and also that this reflects the position of the church. "Still, one in five Catholics - 22% - reject the idea of transubstantiation, even though they know about the church's teaching," Smith said. Me: Even Robert Barron was shocked at the findings!.. Look at the Catholic Charismatic Movement, I’ve posted in more detail and growing fast. One pope said you out if you reject Vat2 the other says you in apostasy? Frances says the Old Catholic Church ordain women yet he ordains gay priests, gays taking mass, shuffle priests….heck pope Frances has his face on the LGBT magazine, beware RC you might be outside the church, funny when one pope discredits another pope …”apostolic succession “….ha ha So cult man you in or out 😂……

[@uncatila]

"They abstain from the Eucharist and from the prayers, because they confess not the Eucharist to be the flesh of our Saviour Jesus Christ, which suffered for our sins, and which the Father, in His goodness, raised up again. Those, therefore, who speak against this gift of God, incur death in the midst of their disputes. But it were better for them to treat it with respect, that they also might rise again. It is fitting, therefore, that you should keep aloof from such persons, and not to speak of them either in private or in public, but to give heed to the prophets, and above all, to the Gospel, in which the passion [of Christ] has been revealed to us, and the resurrection has been fully proved. But avoid all divisions, as the beginning of evils" Ignatious Martyred AD 110

[@salvadorgomez1834]

9 In my letter, I wrote to you NO TO ASOCIATE with people who are leading immoral lives.[c] 10 Obviously, I was not referring to contact with people in the world who are immoral or with those who are greedy or thieves or worshipers of false gods, since to do this you would have to leave the world. 11 What I really meant to get across was that you should not associate WITH ANY brother or sister who is sexually immoral, greedy, an idolater, a slanderer, a drunkard or a robber. You should NOT EVEN EAT with such a person. THE BIBLE 1 CORINTHIANS 5 9-10.

[@browncony3897]

Proof 7: If Jesus wanted Communion to be literally physical. HE would have used real lamb and real blood. And not bread and wine. Bread is already a symbol of the actual body. Wine is already a symbol of the actual blood. >>>> so clearly John 6 has to be spiritual, not literal flesh and blood.

[@josephdalelio6684]

Wrong the only figurative meaning of eating a man's flesh and drinking his blood in semitic languages means to calumniate or disparage a person to to believe.

[@faithalone2171]

​ @dougy6237 *1. Yes Roman Catholics love misquoting 2 Thes **2:15**. But 2 Thes **2:15** does not disprove Sola Scriptura. Sola Scriptura ACCEPTS all traditions of Jesus and Apostles, 2 Thes **2:15**; but REJECTS all traditions of men, Mat 15, Mat 23, Mark 7. 95% of Roman Catholic doctrines were from traditions of men. Not from traditions of Jesus or Apostles.* *- Acceptable Traditions (those of Jesus and Apostles, 2 Thes **2:15**)* and *- Unacceptable Traditions (traditions of men, Mat 15, Mat 23, Mark 7).* *2. It is interesting to note: that even authorities like Jesus, APostles and NT CHurch also appealed to Scriptures only for doctrines. We often see them citing from Scriptures/Written Word only for doctrines (180 plus times they did that just in NT alone). Not once did we see them citing traditions as support for any doctrines. NOT ONCE.* *3. Do you know 95% of Roman religion doctrines were from "traditions of men"? God/Jesus did not command Roman Catholics to practise all these. Mar 7:8, Col 2:8* *Bible describes "traditions of men" this way: Mar 7:8, Col 2:8* 1. Anything not from the commandment of God or Mosaic Law were called tradition of men. 2. Philosophies based on principles of the world and not according to Christ/God were called traditions of men. Mar 7:8 *For laying aside the commandment of God* , you hold the *tradition of men* -the washing of pitchers and cups, and many other such things you do." Col 2:8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the *tradition of men* , according to the basic principles of the world, and *not according to Christ* *Many Roman Catholic traditions (doctrines) were not based on commandments of God/Jesus or Mosaic Law. And they were not according to God/Jesus. A lot were based on philosophies of the world too. So they should be discarded.* *Examples of that: Jesus did not command making of statues and bowing to them in a Church. These kind of traditions should be discarded. And many more.* you said Take the Bereans. They searched the Scriptures (great!). But look what they did: unlike the Thessalonians, the Bereans accepted the Oral teaching of the Church through Paul IN ADDITION to their OT Bible, got baptized, and submitted to the Church as their Final Authority. The Bereans were the Catholics. It is the same precise Catholic paradigm down through the history of the Church: Scripture, Oral Tradition, and Church as Final Authority. And why were the Bereans "noble-minded"? It wasn't because they read scripture because the Thessalonians did too. The scripture says "these Jews were more noble-minded than THOSE IN THESSALONICA. And if you read the few verses leading up to this point get a full explanation. They “received the word with all eagerness” in contrast to the hostile Thessalonians who in Acts 17:5 and 17:13-15 attacked Jason and dragged him and his friends before the authorities. And in contrast to the non-Christian Jews in Thessalonica who sent men to pursue Paul and incite crowds against him, forcing him to flee (Acts 17:13-15)...The Bereans received the word in eagerness and were noble-minded. The Thessalonians were the Sola Scriptura folk who stuck to their OT Alone

[@josephdalelio6684]

No, early Church Fathers did not believe in sola scriptura, or scripture alone, but rather that Scripture and tradition should be considered together. They believed that Scripture should be read and interpreted through the lens of tradition, and that there was a need to test the accuracy of interpretations. Here are some other things to know about the early Church Fathers' beliefs: Scripture's meaning The early Church Fathers believed that Scripture had multiple layers of meaning, and that Jesus Christ could be seen throughout the Bible, even in the Old Testament. Interpretation The early Church used the practices of ancient literary scholars to interpret Scripture, including grammar, language, rhetoric, and style. Salvation The early Church Fathers believed that salvation is achieved through faith and love, as demonstrated by works and obedience to the law. Why I’m Catholic: Sola Scriptura Isn’t Historical, Part IV | Catholic Answers Magazine Catholic Answers 5 Solas: Sola Fide in the Church Fathers - Gospel Reformation: UK Jul 2, 2021 - Yet, couldn't we simply claim Sola Scriptura and be done with their objection? Well, yes and no. Yes in the sense that ... Gospel Reformation: UK Did the Early Christians Subscribe to Sola Scriptura? Apr 1, 2009 - do not reject tradition or ecclesial authority; indeed, they have a high regard for both and believe that Scripture can... Catholic Answers Show all Generative AI is experimental. It is clear the early Church Fathers appealed to Tradition alongside Scripture. This Tradition was normative, substantive, available to all, and preserved by the Apostolic Churches, particularly the See of Rome. Did the Church Fathers Believe in Sola Scriptura by Joseph ... Catholic Fidelity www.catholicfidelity.com › did-the-church-fathe... About featured snippets • Feedback Why I'm Catholic: Sola Scriptura Isn't Historical, Part IV Catholic Answers www.catholic.com › magazine › online-edition Of course, Protestant apologists will insist that the Fathers of the Church did in fact believe in sola scriptura, and to demonstrate this they will quote ... Church Fathers supporting Sola scriptura????

[@faithalone2171]

@@josephdalelio6684 *Of course early Church Fathers believed in Sola Scriptura. They wrote the Exact Words “Scripture Alone” in their writings.* Tertullian: "Take away, indeed, from the heretics the wisdom which they share with the heathen, and let them support their inquiries from the Scriptures alone: they will then be unable to keep their ground. For that which commends men’s common sense is its very simplicity, and its participation in the same feelings, and its community of opinions; and it is deemed to be all the more trustworthy, inasmuch as its definitive statements are naked and open, and known to al

[@faithalone2171]

@@josephdalelio6684 Origen: "We, however, in conformity with our belief in that doctrine, which we assuredly hold to be divinely inspired, believe that it is possible in no other way to explain and bring within the reach of human knowledge this higher and diviner reason as the Son of God, than by means of those Scriptures alone which were inspired by the Holy Spirit, i.e., the Gospels and Epistles, and the law and the prophets, according to the declaration of Christ Himself."

[@faithalone2171]

@@josephdalelio6684 Augustine: "At the same time, as I have said already, it is to the canonical Scriptures alone that I am bound to yield such implicit subjection as to follow their teaching, without admitting the slightest suspicion that in them any mistake or any statement intended to mislead could find a place."

[@faithalone2171]

@@josephdalelio6684 Theodoret: "Do not, I beg you, bring in human reason. I shall yield to scripture alone

[@dannisivoccia2712]

Is the word "hersey" in the caption for this video Hershey, hearsay, or heresy? Maybe, all combined?

[@truthfulfree]

they still haven’t fixed it 🤦‍♀️

[@jesusfaith2232]

@@truthfulfree thank the Lord he looks at the heart and not the head 😉

[@johnsteila6049]

Heresy is the word and it belongs to Protestantism.

[@dannisivoccia2712]

@@johnsteila6049 You could use a good read in the parable of the wheat and the tares, and Jesus' explanation. Heresy is pervasive throughout all earthly churches (more or less).

[@mitchellosmer1293]

@@johnsteila6049 quote---Heresy is the word and it belongs to Protestantism.--unquote Really? So, those in the Bible that said Jesus was a heretic were Protestants???? Galatians 1:8-9 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed. -------2 Corinthians 11:4 For if someone comes and proclaims another Jesus than the one we proclaimed, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or if you accept a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it readily enough. (Catholics) -------What is a Heretic? If you looked at a dictionary’s definition of a heretic and the Bible’s description of one, you would find some very strong similarities. For example, the dictionary says a heretic is a professed believer but they maintain religious opinions contrary to those accepted by their church or they reject doctrines prescribed by that church, but it could be anyone who does not conform to an established attitude, doctrine, or principle. The word heretic originated from the Greek word “hairetikós,” which means, “to be able to choose,” or “that which may be taken,” so it reminds me of a smorgasbord approach to religion. They pick a little of this and choose a little of that, but they leave much off their plate. Jesus said it is important to worship God in spirit and in truth (John 4:24), and a half-truth is no truth at all. In biblical terms, a heretic is someone who believes and may be teaching doctrine contrary to that which the Bible contains (i.e. Eph 2:8-9). A heretic usually refers to someone who has departed from what they used to believe in and now teaching what is contrary to what they used to believe, and heretics can be in places other than churches, but for our concerns, we want to know what a heretic is so that we can spot one, and if we can spot one, we can avoid one, and we also want to make sure we’re not one ---

[@browncony3897]

@thomasfcrowley9738 *A few errors: 1. Roman religion was not any Universal Church or Church Christ founded. Please prove this self claim before making more false claims based on this. 2. Cite your source in exact words. 3. Roman pagans making statues to Mary and bowing to them is already a form of worship. You can state all your want but your practices are pagan.* you said IT IS WRITTEN IN THE CANNON LAW OF THE CATHOIC CHURCH THAT IS STRICTUALY FORBIDDEN FOR ANYONE TO RENDER WORSHIP OR ADORATION TO MARY,

[@-----Disciple-----------]

Since the earth is the Lord's and the fullness thereof. Then nothing belongs to Caesar for even Caesar belongs to God. 1 Timothy 6:7 For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out.

[@johnsteila6049]

Actually, Jesus said “ Give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar, and to God What belongs to God”.

[@-----Disciple-----------]

@@johnsteila6049 caesar, belongs to God. Psalm 49:17 For when he dieth he shall carry nothing away: his glory shall not descend after him. Ecclesiastes 5:15 As he came forth of his mother's womb, naked shall he return to go as he came, and shall take nothing of his labour, which he may carry away in his hand.

[@johnsteila6049]

@@-----Disciple----------- Okay, both of those verses were written long before any Caesar ever existed. I’m not sure what your point is here..

[@-----Disciple-----------]

@@johnsteila6049 When they were written has no effect on the rationale behind them. 1. Nothing, belongs to caesar, because, Psalm 49:17 'when he dies, he shall carry nothing away, his glory shall not descend after him.' What does it mean? His 'glory' is his wealth, obviously. Because that is all he is after; wealth and opulence. 2. Ecclesiastes 5:15 'As he came forth of his mother's womb, naked shall he return to go as he came, and shall take nothing of his labour, which he may carry away in his hand.' 3. It means, he owns nothing. So, 'render unto caesar the things that are caesar's' means nothing belongs to caesar. Back to my original point, caesar, belongs to God. God made him, God, will take him away. When something was written has nothing to do with if it is true and poignant or not. 4. He owns nothing, he is owned. 5. My original post: Since the earth is the Lord's and the fullness thereof. Then nothing belongs to Caesar for even Caesar belongs to God. 1 Timothy 6:7 For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out. For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out.

[@johnsteila6049]

@@-----Disciple----------- You’re arguing against what Jesus specifically said. How do you not realize this??

[@browncony3897]

​ @bonniemagpie9960 *Jesus is already our Sabbath Rest. All Christians rest in Jesus. Mat **11:28**. Bible speaks of a Rest apart from 7th day sabbath. Hebrews 4.* Heb 4:1 Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it. Heb 4:2 For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it. Heb 4:3 For we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said: "SO I SWORE IN MY WRATH, 'THEY SHALL NOT ENTER MY REST,' " although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. Heb 4:4 For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: "AND GOD RESTED ON THE SEVENTH DAY FROM ALL HIS WORKS"; Heb 4:5 and again in this place: "THEY SHALL NOT ENTER MY REST." Heb 4:6 Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience, Heb 4:7 again He designates a certain day, saying in David, "TODAY," after such a long time, as it has been said: "TODAY, IF YOU WILL HEAR HIS VOICE, DO NOT HARDEN YOUR HEARTS." Heb 4:8 For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. Heb 4:9 There remains therefore a rest for the people of God. Heb 4:10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His. Heb 4:11 Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience. you said Mark 2:28, The Son of Man is Lord of The Sabbath.....

[@erikriza7165]

i have never heard a Catholic Priest give a sermon attacking the beliefs of people who are not Catholic, or making snide disingenuous remarks that are personal.

[@bridgefin]

That's because Catholic priests are real Christians unlike what poses in the current religious marketplace as Christians.

[@janedoe41276]

Same here. In my decades in the church, the priests *never* contradicts other faiths, or quite frankly, even discusses other religions. This seems to the the mainstay of Protestant churches, however. We can see why anti-Catholicism is so rampant; that's all these people hear Sunday after Sunday.

[@Mike-pf1ru]

And yet you accept the Catholic ratification of the 27 book NT Canon which was declared under Pope Damasus in 397 AD. Why are you infallibility certain that this list or canon is correct, but reject the Church who assembled and fixed it for all time?

[@williamcarder1975]

Every Catholic should hear this message - along with the first part of it

[@Dechieftian]

From whom did this windbag MacArthur receive the authority to interpret and preach Scripture. From whom? Any takers?

[@eddardgreybeard]

One hour of a dunning Kruger explanation of Catholic theology by people who barely understand the Bible itself. Sure thing.

[@williamcarder1975]

@@eddardgreybeard those of us who read and study our Bibles know what the Bible says and that there is no justification for most of the things you Catholics believe.

[@eddardgreybeard]

@@williamcarder1975 That's very cute, because what it always boils down to is I can give you scripture for everything the church teaches, but good ole William Russolesi over here has more spirtual insight and wisdom than 15 centuries of Apostolic Tradition and Church teaching and trusts his subjective interpretation over anything that Orthodoxy/Catholicism teaches.

[@williamcarder1975]

@@eddardgreybeard yeah I do because I stick to what the Bible says, not the pagan practices, believes or statues of Rome and were then “Christianized” by the pagan RCC. Most of the beliefs of the RCC have no Biblical basis, yet you Catholics believe them cause you don’t read or believe the Bible because to do so would mean leaving the RCC

[@browncony3897]

​ @w.howard4073 *Since when Jesus taught Sola R ct or Sola R pope? Where in the Bible says that?*

[@browncony3897]

​ @mitchellosmer1293 *Bible does not teach Saturday is the only day of worship. Early Church worshipped God on all days of the week. How do you explain that?* you said RCC says Sunday is the day of worship, just becaise Jesus arose on that day. Yet The HOLY BIBLE says the SEVENTH DAY IS the ONLY day God rested on, blessed and made Holy. Gen 2:1 3, Ex 20:8-11.

[@johnwilson8810]

Jesus gave all authority to His church. Let’s pretend you are right for once. Not likely but let’s pretend. Can’t change the Sabbath to the day Jesus rose from the dead. We can’t change the sabbath. I GUESS THEN WE CANNOT CHANGE CIRCUMCISION! Are you circumcised? YOU BETTER HEAD TO THE HOSPITAL. TAKE MACARTHUR WITH YOU. HA HA HA!!!!!!

[@johnwilson8810]

Corny I haven’t heard back! Are you going to get circumcised? LOL X 100

[@GitzenShiggles]

An entire video series that breaks the 9th Commandment. If you really think that God would allow 1.6 billion of His people to be led astray, perhaps you're the one who is astray.

[@aubertbros3016]

Matthew 7:22-23 Matthew 7:13-14

[@jediv3381]

​ @frankvw4819 *You failed to answer once again. If Roman Catholicism is Church of the Bible or true religion, then why was there not a single New Testament believer saved in a Roman Catholic way in the whole Bible? Please explain coherently intelligently.* - submit to Roman pope to be saved - devote to Roman Mary to be saved - be in Roman Church to be saved - partake Roman sacraments to be saved - baptise in Roman baptism to be saved - do lots of works to be saved

[@geoffjs]

CC is the One True Church of Jesus Matt 16 18-19.

[@jediv3381]

@@geoffjs *Where in Mat 16 ever said Roman religion = the Universal Church or Christ’s Church? If you cannot read please go back to school. It’s embarrassing.*

[@jediv3381]

@@geoffjs *You failed to answer once again. If Roman Catholicism is Church of the Bible or true religion, then why was there not a single New Testament believer saved in a Roman Catholic way in the whole Bible? Please explain coherently intelligently.* - submit to Roman pope to be saved - devote to Roman Mary to be saved - be in Roman Church to be saved - partake Roman sacraments to be saved - baptise in Roman baptism to be saved - do lots of works to be saved

[@brucebarber4104]

@@geoffjs 🎯

[@willeGG17]

I love my catholic faith. I love that we have 1.3 billion brothers and sisters in the Catholic Church and the number keeps growing. Christ is king.

[@Ken-dh2te]

You pray to Mary. 1Timothy 2-5 "For there is one GOD and ONE MEDIATOR between GOD and men, the man Christ Jesus " You call priests,, bishops cardinals & a sinner you pope...al FATHER Matthew 12:3 "And call no man your FATHER upon the earth earth, for one is your FATHER in heaven. No purgatory "Absent from the body is present with the Lord. Did the thief on the cross go to purgatory? He acknowledged Jesus Christ as who He said He was & asked Him to remember me when you come into your kingdom. Christ send: today you will be in paradise "

[@PInk77W1]

@@Ken-dh2te Call no man father ? Romans 4 4:1 foreFather 4:11 Father 4:12 Father 4:16 Father 4:17 Father, Father 4:18 Father You’re welcome

[@PInk77W1]

@@Ken-dh2te Purgatory is not required It’s a possibility You’re welcome.

[@AnneofAvonlea]

I’m sorry but it’s a great spiritual deception of Satan. Remember he was an and does appear as an angel of light. Billions of members are caught up in Babylon’s Mystery religion, yet we are to seek the narrow way. He warned us the way is narrow. RCC is NOT narrow.

[@mariosangermano]

Of course there are billions and growing. Jesus said, enter by the narrow gate , for wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction and many go that way. Matthew 7:13. I was born and raised RC, and thankfully God rescued me out of that false destructive religion.

[@jediv3381]

​ @frankvw4819 *My question remained: Bible and real history did not say Roman religion = Christ's Church or the Universal Church. Where is your proof that it was so? Why do Roman pagans keep making false claims like this?*

[@StraitGateApologetics]

Thank you so much for sharing this the TRUTH!! Catholicism is false but they do believe in Jesus and they shall be saved....even though they have got it so so very wrong

[@browncony3897]

@Mitchell Osmer *If Scriptures is the final authority, why do sda ct members follow m m unbiblical doctrines?* *Questions for sda ct members:* *1. Where in the Bible says “Jesus = Michael the Archangel”?* *2. Where in the Bible says “Satan bore the sins of believers”?* *3. Where in NT says Gentile Christians need to keep the 7th Day Sabbath?* *4. Where in the Bible says Gentile Christians are SAVED BY WORKS?* *5. Why keep only one commandment? Why not all six hundred and thirteen mosaic laws?* *6. Why sda members still drive, cook and switch on lights in church? Since Fire/sparks is not allowed during sabbath. Ignition has Fire/sparks too. Js don’t cook, switch on light on sabbath. Lolol* *7. True sabbath keeping Jews are put to D if they failed to keep the sabbath. Why sda members don’t try?* *8. Due to time zone. Jewish sabbath day could be our Sunday or Friday. Lol. So you think you are keeping Saturday sabbath is meaningless.* Kingdom of God is not about which day. It’s about inner qualities like righteousness peace and joy. Rom 14:17 for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit. *9. sda members claimed Sabbath is a commandment for all Man. But please explain why Adam, Eve, Noah, Abraham did not keep Sabbath as a commandment?* *10. Bible says Sabbath keeping was only a commandment for Israelites in the Old Covenant. Exo **31:16**. Are SDA members Jews or in the Old Covenant?* Exo 31:16 Therefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant.

[@bonniemagpie9960]

Jesus Christ in The New Testament , Matthew 12, 11-12 says .....it's good to do well (positive things) on The Sabbath. Mark 2:28, The Son of Man is Lord of The Sabbath.....

[@browncony3897]

@@bonniemagpie9960 *Jesus said "it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath". Jesus did not ask Gentile Christians to keep 7th day sabbath. Stop misquoting Scriptures SDA member.* Mat 12:11 Then He said to them, "What man is there among you who has one sheep, and if it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will not lay hold of it and lift it out? Mat 12:12 Of how much more value then is a man than a sheep? Therefore it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath." you said Jesus Christ in The New Testament , Matthew 12, 11-12 says .....it's good to do well (positive things) on The Sabbath.

[@browncony3897]

​ @bonniemagpie9960 *Jesus is already our Sabbath Rest. All Christians rest in Jesus. Mat **11:28**. Bible speaks of a Rest apart from 7th day sabbath. Hebrews 4.* Heb 4:1 Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it. Heb 4:2 For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it. Heb 4:3 For we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said: "SO I SWORE IN MY WRATH, 'THEY SHALL NOT ENTER MY REST,' " although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. Heb 4:4 For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: "AND GOD RESTED ON THE SEVENTH DAY FROM ALL HIS WORKS"; Heb 4:5 and again in this place: "THEY SHALL NOT ENTER MY REST." Heb 4:6 Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience, Heb 4:7 again He designates a certain day, saying in David, "TODAY," after such a long time, as it has been said: "TODAY, IF YOU WILL HEAR HIS VOICE, DO NOT HARDEN YOUR HEARTS." Heb 4:8 For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. Heb 4:9 There remains therefore a rest for the people of God. Heb 4:10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His. Heb 4:11 Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience. you said Mark 2:28, The Son of Man is Lord of The Sabbath.....

[@browncony3897]

​ @bridgefin *Too bad. Scriptures came from the Jews. Romans 3:1-2. Not Roman Catholics. You are just a liar once again; making false claims all days.* you said You: Christians Churches take 100% doctrines from Scriptures. Me: There is only one church established by God. And the others get their scripture from that same Church.

[@victuss1413]

Jesus gave authority to the entire old testament, and the new through the apostles. Everyone who came after is in lesser authority to scripture. Tge catholic churxh as yiu recognize it didn't even exist until gregory

[@jediv3381]

@johnflorio3576 *Roman paganism has nothing to do with any biblical truths. WHo says Roman pagan religion = the true Church? Self claims is not a proof for doctrines roman pagan.* you said Why should I consider the opinion of a modern American preacher who follows the unbiblical philosophy of Calvin who defected from the True Church?

[@browncony3897]

@@josephdalelio6684 *Your low intelligence does not allow you to understand. My condolences.*

[@browncony3897]

@@josephdalelio6684 *Where in the Bible or real history says "Roman pagan religion = Christ's Church or the Universal Church"? Where? If you can prove that i will give you a lollipop.*

[@jediv3381]

@@josephdalelio6684 *Why still no answer? Where in the Bible or real history says "Roman pagan religion = Christ's Church or the Universal Church"? Where? If you can prove that i will give you a lollipop.*

[@jediv3381]

@@josephdalelio6684 *You are pretending ROman religion = the Church. Bible and real history did not say so.* you said You are calling church

[@browncony3897]

​ @josephdalelio6684 *You are full of d*m*ns. You need lobotomy. Bible says Do Not Go Beyond Scriptures. 1 Cor 4:6. You said No. We all know you are an unbeliever. Stop spamming.*

[@faithalone2171]

​ @dougy6237 *You are totally contradicting Scriptures. Bible says "grace is not works and works is not grace". Yet you claimed one can receive "grace" by works. This clearly illustrates the man made doctrine of Rome.* Rom 11:6 And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work. you said No "Grace as a free gift and the reception of it through faith and works of the New Law" is not "Salvation by works".

[@browncony3897]

@josephdalelio6684 *Early errant believers did that does not prove it's a biblical doctrine. Bible does not teach that. Jesus did not teach that. Apostles did not teach that. Errant believers made statues does not prove it's biblical. Errant believers dig the graves for relics does not prove it's biblical.* *Citing errant believers practising errant practices is not a proof for doctrines.* you said We ask Mary for help as earlr Christians requested dead believers to pray for them.

[@josephdalelio6684]

browncony you are against the catholic, eastern orthodox, oriental orthodox, assyrian churches and also anglican come out of your false bibliolatrous cult. able of contents Where did Sola Scriptura come from? False assumptions underlying Sola Scriptura 1. Claiming Scripture alone served as the basis for the early Church. 2. Using the New Testament to determine what is acceptable in worship 3. Asserting anyone can interpret the Scriptures on their own. Responses you might receive from a Protestant “2 Timothy 3:15-17 proves Sola Scriptura.” An aside: Why the Church canonized the Bible “The Bible says what it means and means what it says.” “Clear passages can interpret the unclear.” “The Holy Spirit will guide me to the right interpretation.” The Orthodox Approach How do we know the Tradition of the Orthodox Church is the right one? We NEED the Church. An aside: Capital T “Tradition” vs. Lowercase t “tradition” How the Orthodox interpret Scripture Conclusion from eastern orthodoxy by fr j trenham backed by Fr mitch Pacwa they are biblical scholars and can eat you up sign the papers get out of your crazy, diabolical cult!!!

[@browncony3897]

​ @AJA Deacon *Claims with no proof as usual. Silly R Catholics.* you said We have the Catholic Church from Pentecost

[@josephdalelio6684]

CATHOLIC TRUTH We are living in a time of great confusion, corruption, and loss of faith. Atheism, skepticism, and cynicism are on the rise, and many people are hurting, broken, and have fallen away from God. We are in dire need of Truth! God has given us that truth through His Son Jesus Christ and the Catholic Church. We exist to be a beacon of light in this present darkness, a clear voice of reason in this age of confusion, and a leader in forming and inspiring Catholics. OUR MISSION Catholic Truth is a non-profit ministry dedicated to proclaiming the one truth of Jesus Christ and His Catholic Church. Through apologetics, spirituality, media and ministry, our goal is to help Catholics to know, love and live their faith with purpose and passion, to be set on fire by it and to be transformed by our Lord Jesus Christ. We also seek to draw non-Catholics and fallen away Catholics back to the fullness of truth. ABOUT US Catholic Truth is unapologetically Catholic and 100% faithful to the Magisterium of the Catholic Church. We are a trusted resource for Catholics and those seeking. Anyone, from anywhere, from any religion can come here to discover exactly what the Catholic Church teaches, and why, and how this truth can transform our lives. We exist to accompany Catholics on their journey of faith, helping them to truly grow both spiritually and personally, and to find transformation and fulfillment in Christ Jesus our Lord. We pledge to defend our faith with clarity and charity and teach others to do so.

[@jediv3381]

@williamjameslehy1341 *Bible says Roman Catholics have the wrong canon. Romans 3:1-2 says Scriptures is of Jewish Origins. Jews till this day have OT 39 books. Clearly pointing to Roman Catholics adding 7 books.* you said Bible's 73 books,

[@nosuchthing8]

Well THATS false. Jesus and the Apostles studied, memorized, used, quoted, and read most often from the Bible of their day, the Septuagint. The Church included I Maccabees in its canon together with the rest of the Septuagint and this was ratified by the Catholic Church Council of Trent. After the Reformation, the Protestants removed it from their Bible and relegated it to the Apocrypha. If you check the Gutenberg Bible, it has the same 73 books that were in the bible since around 400 ad.

[@faithalone2171]

​ @dougy6237 *You failed to answer again. Early Church all appealed to Scriptures only for doctrines. Why is that so? WHy they did not take doctrines from any other source? WHy?* you said Yes indeed, the Early Fathers all loved Scripture! And when a dispute could not be settled by Scripture because their enemy would not accept the proper meaning of Scripture, the Fathers referred to the Church as Final Authority to settle the disputes. You reject the Church as final authority, unlike the Fathers. They never left the Body of Christ! They were Catholic on every point of doctrine.

[@browncony3897]

​ @AJA Deacon *Broken line right from beginning. You believe in fairy tales* you said one continual line of Popes ... so when did your man made church begin ??? .

[@1234poppycat]

So you have not been able to answer or respond to my point and I see you put forward the Athirst claim "You believe in fairy tales" which is childish

[@browncony3897]

@@1234poppycat *R Catholics love D logic.*

[@jesusfaith2232]

@@browncony3897 lol the pagan still a cry baby!

[@browncony3897]

​ @AJA Deacon *You love ftales. I haven’t seen a single shred of proof from you regarding your “unbroken” line of popes. Neither Peter being pope. So where is your proof?* *In the first place every organization has unbroken line of leaders. It does not prove its truth or biblical. So all your spurious arguments fall flat.*

[@1234poppycat]

@@browncony3897 keep up. The claim you made was that the church did not exist 2000 years ago. If it had leaders dating back to Peter then what do you think they were leading. ?? Dozens of works separate from the Bible telling us about the first three hundred years of church and popes …..

[@jediv3381]

​ @markdennis122 *Morens. Romanct teaches salvation through all kinds of means. Such as "submit to ROmanctpope to be saved". Bible does not teach suchns.* *So where did Romanctmanmade doctrines come from? Lucifer?* you said Pope Pius IX and Pope Boniface VIII: These statements should be understood in their historical context. The Catholic Church teaches that salvation is through Christ, but being part of the Church, with the Pope as its head, is seen as a means of receiving the sacraments and the grace of God.

[@Paulusfan]

If someone says i love GOD, but hate brothers, is a liar.

[@browncony3897]

*R Catholicism heresy has nothing to do with God and His Words. R Catholic Church contradicts Scriptures in every possible ways!* 1. Catholics say Mary was sinless. But BIBLE says Mary offered a sinner's offering. She was a sinner. Bible says Mary needed a Saviour. Lk 2:23-24, Lev 12:6-8, Rom 3:10. 2. Catholics say clergies must be celibate. Yet BIBLE says Peter (supposed R Church first leader) had mother in law. Bible says celibacy is not a qualification for clergies. Mat 8:14-15, Mar 1:30-31, Luk 4:38-39. 3. Catholics say Mary was forever virgin. Yet BIBLE says Jesus had brothers and sisters. Mary was not perpetually virgin. Mk 6:3, Mat 13:55, Mat 27:56, Mar 6:3, Mar 15:40, Mar 15:47. 4. Catholics say confess to R priests in a box. BIBLE says nothing about confessing to priests in a box. Bible says confess to GOD only. 1 John 1:9, Mat 6, Romans 10:9-10. 5. Catholics say drink of the physical blood of Jesus. Yet OT and NT both say do not drink blood. Acts 15, Lev 7:26. 6. Catholics say pray to passed on Mary and "saints". Yet BIBLE says do not contact the dead. NT Church did not record a single case of NT believers asking passed on saints to pray for them. Deut 18:11, Isaiah 8:19. 7. Catholics make and bow down to statues. BIBLE says do not bow down to graven images (statues). Deut 4, Exo 20:4-5. 8. Catholics sprinkles “holy water”. But NT Church of the Bible mentioned nothing about “holy water”. There was no record of any Apostles sprinkling “holy water” on believers. Catholics claimed “holy water” came from OT. Yet Num 5:17 says “holy water” was water used to test adulterous women in OT temple. Hardly the same. Those were for Old Covenant Jews. Not New Testament Christians. 9. Catholics say Peter was pope - bishop of all bishops. Yet BIBLE says Peter was just a leader of the Jerusalem Church. Bible says nothing of the office of bishop of bishops. Gal 2:9, Mat 16:18. 10. Catholics say there is a seat of Peter. Yet BIBLE says nothing about it. Jesus said “not to lord over others”. 11. Catholics has clergy priesthood. Bible says clergy priesthood was done away with in New Testament. There is no clergy priesthood in NT. Heb 7:27, 9:12, 10:10. 12. Catholics preaches Works Salvation (faith + good works + partake R sacraments + submit to R pontiff + be in R Church + devote to Mary = to be saved). Yet Bible says “believe in Jesus to be saved”. Bible says Works Salvation is cursed. Gal 1:8-9. Acts 16:30-31, John 3:16, Romans 10:9-10. 13. Catholics says they must do Penance to atone for their sins. Yet Bible says repent, confess and sins will be forgiven. Catholic Bible changes the word “repentance” in NT into “penance”. Original Greek NT does not use or mean the word penance. Penance = work to atone for sins. Repentance = change of heart. 1 John 1:9, Mat 6. 14. Catholics say Mary went straight to heaven without dying. Yet Bible says nothing about it. 15. Catholics say Islam and Christianity have the same GOD. Yet Islam doesn't believe in death and resurrection of Jesus and Trinity.

[@solafide9533]

​ @dougy6237 *This is the infamous spurious writing in the name of Irenaeus. It was an interpolation of multiple writings of many writers. That's why Roman religion is pagan. Ever using spurious writings as proof for doctrines. In history, Rome was called the "mother of all f - geries".* "Against Heresies" attributed to Irenaeus is a most blatant f or false attribution. In addition, "Against Heresies" destroys the chronology of the Pauline Epistles. Irenaeus was a supposed Presbyter and Bishop of the Church of Lyons. In the Church of Lyons, it was taught that Jesus was CRUCIFIED when an OLD man in the reign of Claudius or about 20 years AFTER the 15th year of Tiberius c 49 CE. The Pauline Corpus was UNKNOWN to the Church of Lyons since a Pauline writer claimed or implied he PREACHED Christ Crucified since the time of King Aretas c 37-41 CE. It is virtually impossible to TEACH in the CHURCH of Lyons that Jesus was crucified in the time of Claudius if they had knowledge and the HISTORY of Jesus and Paul. "Against Heresies" must be the work of MULTIPLE authors. The Canonised Gospels and Pauline Corpus are all LATE writings fabricated AFTER "Against Heresies" 2.22 or AFTER at least c 175-180 CE. . "Against Heresies" 2.22 is a two-thousand word argument to attempt to show Jesus Christ was about 50 years old when he was crucified. "Against Heresies" 2.22 does NOT appear to be the product of "scribal error" since the author claimed John the disciple did TEACH that Jesus was about fifty years old. And NOT only that, the Gospel and ALL those conversant with John did claim that Jesus was about 50 years old when he suffered. Let me recap the claims of "Against Heresies" 2.22. at the crucifixion of Jesus 1. John the disciple PREACHED Jesus was about 50 YEARS OLD. 2. The Gospel stated Jesus was about 50 years old. 3. All those who were conversant with John did admit they were told Jesus was about 50 years old. There is one thing that NOW must be established. When was Jesus born according to "Against Heresies"? The author of 'AH' (Against Heresies") used gLuke to claim Jesus was about to be 30 years old at the Baptism. "Against Heresies" 2.22 Quote: For when He came to be baptized, He had not yet completed His thirtieth year, but was beginning to be about thirty years of age (for thus Luke, who has mentioned His years, has expressed it: "Now Jesus was, as it were, beginning to be thirty years old,"(13) when He came to receive baptism).... So, based on "AH" 22, Jesus was about to be 30 years old when he was Baptized. When was Jesus baptized in "AH"? In the 15th year of the reign of Tiberius . "Against Heresies" 3.14.3 Quote: For through him we have become acquainted with....... the number of the Lord's years when He was baptized, and that this occurred in the fifteenth year of Tiberius Caesar. Let us go back. According to "AH": 1. Jesus was about 30 years old in the 15th year of Tiberius. 2. Jesus was about 50 years old when he was crucified. 3. John the disciple , till the time of Trajan, preached that Jesus was about 50 years old at crucifixion. 4. John the disciple, till the time of Trajan, told acquaintances that Jesus was about 50 years old at crucifixion. 5. The Gospel stated Jesus was about 50 years. Once Jesus is claimed to have been about 30 years old in the 15th year of Tiberius then in "Against Heresies" Jesus was born around 1 BCE or 1 CE. The BIRTH of Jesus is LOCKED in "Against Heresies" to 1 BCE or 1 CE. It was therefore argued in "AH" 2.22 that Jesus was crucified around 44-50 CE and that it was also preached by John the disciple of Jesus. "Against Heresies" has EXPOSED the FRAUD, FICTION and FORGERIES of the history of the Church.. you said St. Irenaeus, A.D. 189, on the succession of Peter. "having founded and built up the church [of Rome] . . . handed over the office of the episcopate to Linus...Of this LINUS, Paul makes mention in the Epistles to Timothy. To him succeeded ANACLETUS; and after him, in the third place from the apostles, CLEMENT was allotted the bishopric. This man, as he had seen the blessed apostles, and had been conversant with them, might be said to have the preaching of the apostles still echoing [in his ears], and their traditions before his eyes. To this Clement there succeeded EVARISTUS. ALEXANDER followed Evaristus; then, sixth from the apostles, SIXTUS was appointed; after him, TELEPHORUS, who was gloriously martyred; then HYGINUS; after him, PIUS; then after him, ANICETUS. SOTOR having succeeded Anicetus, ELEUTHERIUS does now, in the TWELFTH place from the apostles, hold the inheritance of the episcopate. In this order, and by this succession, the ecclesiastical tradition from the apostles, and the preaching of the truth, have come down to us. And this is most abundant proof that there is one and the same vivifying faith, which has been preserved in the Church from the apostles until now, and handed down in truth. (St. Irenaeus, Against Heresies 3:3:3 [A.D. 189]).

[@josephdalelio6684]

even if were not completely authentic or from ignatius these early christan writings are othodox catholic not fundamentalist bs.

[@solafide9533]

@@josephdalelio6684 *Bible teaches taking doctrines from teachings and practices of Jesus and Apostles only, 2 Thes **2:15**. All other source are deviations and traditions of men, Col 2:8, Mark 7:8.*

[@solafide9533]

@@josephdalelio6684 *Christians taking doctrines from God’s Word only. Bible says God’s Word is truth, Jn **17:17**. Roman pagans take doctrines from NS.*

[@faithalone2171]

​ @dougy6237 *You are just a blatant L. I have proof of Sola Scriptura from Jesus, APostles, NT Church, Scriptures and early Church. You haven't provide a single proof that says otherwise. I only see fallible opinions.* 1. 180+ verses say Jesus, Apostles and NT Church took doctrines from Scriptures only. 2. 15-20 early writings that says early Church fathers took doctirnes from Scriptures only. They even spelt out "Scripture Alone". 3. NT CHurch took doctrines from Scriptures Only too. Acts 15 says so. *Yes i would sm your face then sweep the dust off my feet.* you said I shake the dust from my feet.

[@josephdalelio6684]

GrammarPoliceBot 7 months ago I was a reformed Baptist and struggled with a particular set of sins for the past 10 years. It caused doubt, confusion, shame, and constant dissonance. I learned Catholic theology and read the catechism’s teachings on that subject ONE TIME and I no longer struggle. I’ve quit and look forward to joining the Church.

[@faithalone2171]

​@@josephdalelio6684 *Stop copypasting nsalldaysintelxeroJosephDadelio.*

[@faithalone2171]

@@josephdalelio6684 *Shup already Joseph Dadelio. You know nothing.*

[@johnsteila6049]

If you’re so interested in The Sixteen Century then you surely know about the extreme hatred that Luther had for The Jews and also how he added and subtracted words from The Bible..

[@brucewmclaughlin9072]

Woman is a temple built over a sewer. -Tertullian, “the father of Latin Christianity” in De Cultu Feminarum (c160-225) [Women’s] very consciousness of their own nature must evoke feelings of shame.-Saint Clement of Alexandria, Christian theologian (c150-215): Pedagogues II, 33, 2 . And do you not know that you are Eve? God’s sentence hangs still over all your sex and His punishment weighs down upon you. You are the devil’s gateway; you are she who first violated the forbidden tree and broke the law of God. It was you who coaxed your way around him whom the devil had not the force to attack. With what ease you shattered that image of God: Man! Because of the death you merited, even the Son of God had to die… Woman, you are the gate to hell. -Tertullian, “the father of Latin Christianity” (c160-225): De Cultu Feminarum (On the Apparel of Women), Chapter 1 For it is improper for a woman to speak in an assembly, no matter what she says, even if she says admirable things, or even saintly things, that is of little consequence, since they come from the mouth of a woman. -Origen (d. 258): Fragments on First Corinthians, 74 Woman does not possess the image of God in herself but only when taken together with the male who is her head, so that the whole substance is one image. But when she is assigned the role as helpmate, a function that pertains to her alone, then she is not the image of God. But as far as the man is concerned, he is by himself alone the image of God just as fully and completely as when he and the woman are joined together into one. -Saint Augustine, Bishop of Hippo Regius (354-430) On the Trinity What is the difference whether it is in a wife or a mother, it is still Eve the temptress that we must beware of in any woman… I fail to see what use woman can be to man, if one excludes the function of bearing children. -Saint Augustine, Bishop of Hippo Regius (354 - 430): De genesi ad litteram, 9, 5-9 Woman is a misbegotten man and has a faulty and defective nature in comparison to his. Therefore she is unsure in herself. What she cannot get, she seeks to obtain through lying and diabolical deceptions. And so, to put it briefly, one must be on one’s guard with every woman, as if she were a poisonous snake and the horned devil. … Thus in evil and perverse doings woman is cleverer, that is, slyer, than man. Her feelings drive woman toward every evil, just as reason impels man toward all good. -Saint Albertus Magnus, Dominican theologian, 13th century: Quaestiones super de animalibus XV q. 11 So some early church fathers said good things and on the other hand also had some really bad beliefs! Interesting that we can read all the good things that the early church fathers said but if we want to see bad teaching , Luther's name is the one the roman Catholic church points at.

[@johnsteila6049]

@@brucewmclaughlin9072 So, your point is that Luther wasn’t wrong or evil because other people were as well?? How about they’re both wrong…

[@brucewmclaughlin9072]

@@johnsteila6049 I have never said Luther was absolutely correct , he was not. Luther was a man of the times in which he lived and subject to the beliefs of that period. Was the world round at that point ,or still flat? If any of the early church fathers ever stated the earth was flat you probably would not wish to quote them. Luther was a man and subject to being wrong as evidenced by removal of 7+ books , writing a word or two into his translation of the bible in German ( not found in scripture today ) and living a life that we would not find acceptable today. You are correct they both had some wrong beliefs.

[@johnsteila6049]

@@brucewmclaughlin9072 I don’t mean to assume your thoughts. I simply get irritated with people who consider Luther a saint when he was actually a terribly evil person.

[@johnsteila6049]

@@brucewmclaughlin9072 I wonder why you didn’t include quotes from St. Paul here as he was quite the misogynist…

[@faithalone2171]

​ @dougy6237 *Stop adding to Scriptures what it does not say. Ephesian 2 never once said that referred to "Works of the Law".* *Romans 2 was already refuted before. That's taking verses out of context. Romans 2 refers to unbelieving Jews and Gentiles. Stop posting that as proof until you have proven me wrong.* you said So in Eph 2 8-9, even if Paul were using “works” to mean “good works”, there is no conflict with Catholic teaching. However, Paul does not mean “good works.” He means “works of the Law.” He is stressing we are saved by faith in Jesus Christ, not by obeying the Mosaic Law. Jews have no ability to boast in front of Gentiles of having a privileged relationship with God because they keep the Mosaic Law and its requirement of circumcision (cf. Romans 2:6-11, 17-21, 25-29, 3:21-22, 27-30). Boasting, circumcision, and the Jewish/Gentile distinction-are stated in Ephesians 2.

[@angelahighwolf]

As the years pass from a child to adulthood, you are told the most important thing to do is give money and go to mass. You question nothing.....ever.

[@katiedid8192]

So sad that you do not understand. The Catholic Faith. On KZbin Fr. Chris Alar offers many podcasts that explain the faith. You may benefit from. His lectures. He has several and a very insightful one on what is going on during the Mass in an easy to understand dialog. God bless

[@angelahighwolf]

@@katiedid8192 I was Catholic for decades, and not out of a love for Christ, but for the love of the rituals which made salvation easy.

[@jgood3047]

@@angelahighwolf Once Baptized Catholic always Catholic .

[@hamidrabiipour9707]

Hey Angela, it's sad to read that you never had a good spiritual upbringing, of course the fault falls on your parents, not the church. But it's not too late as you still can educate yourself going forward. I hope you do it. Watch professor Douglas Beaumont speaking about his faith journey, it will help you.

[@angelahighwolf]

@@hamidrabiipour9707 I appreciate the kind words, but I was born again a long time ago and walking with the Lord.

[@browncony3897]

​ @MrProsat *95% of R Church doctrines were unheard of in 1st century and not from traditions of Jesus and Apostles or Scriptures or contradicts Scriptures! Jesus, Apostles and Nt Church of the Bible had not heard or practised any of these Rc doctrines.* 1. Purgatory 2. Confessing to priests 3. Office of pope or priests4. Pope being the vicar (representation of Christ, usurping the authority of God)5. Praying to Mary, saints6. Penance 7. Worshipping idols/images, placing idols images in church8. Church in the Bible is not building, but the body of believers9. Sacrament was never the real body and blood of Christ as RC church claimed (Real meaning real blood and body, bcos it didnt really turned "bloody" did it?)10. Salvation by (works (7sacraments) +faith) was never in the Bible. Real salvation is by grace through faith as seen in Bible. 11. Rosary, set repetitive prayers, hail Mary 10000 times12. Mass - putting Christ on the altar again and again13. Mary as queen of heaven 14. Mary as Ark of the new covenant. 15. Mary as the mother of heavenly Jesus thus Mary exist before Christ16. Immersion of infant for baptism17. Holy water18. Celibacy of priests (no office of priests in NT anyway, only priesthood of all believers)19. Kissing of statues20. Changing of 10 commandments. COmmandment of graven image removed by Catholic CHurch in Catholic Catechism. Splitting of another commandment into 2 commandments. 21. Catholic church changed Bible verse Gen 3:15 (And I will put enmity Between you and the woman, And between your seed and her Seed; He shall bruise your head, And you shall bruise His heel."). 'He' and 'His' referring to Christ. Catholics changed it to (Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity Between you and the woman, And between your seed and her Seed; She shall bruise your head, And you shall bruise Her heel.") 'She' and 'Her' refers to Mary. 22. Catholic Church use Rev 12 to refer to Mary as 'queen of heaven', when Rev 12:6 clearly refers to Israel escaping the Great Tribulation. Mary cannot be alive to escape the Great Tribulation. 23. Catholic Church refers to Mary as 'Queen of heaven', but 'Queen of Mary' in the Bible is a demonic entity Astoreth or Ishtar, the female deity partner of Baal. 5 verses in Jeremiah as proof.24. Catholic church refers to Mary as the Mediatress, Co redemptress, helper of Christ, firstborn of all creation .. Mary cannot be the mediatress. Jesus is the one and only Mediator between God and man. Only Jesus redeems. Only the Holy Spirit is the Helper sent by Jesus. Only Jesus is the firstborn of all creation. 25. Roman Catholicism has “saints” one can pray to in order to gain a particular blessing. For example, Saint Gianna Beretta Molla is the patron saint of fertility. Francis of Assisi is the patron saint of animals. There are multiple patron saints of healing and comfort. Nowhere is even a hint of this taught in Scripture. Just as the Roman pantheon of gods had a god of love, a god of peace, a god of war, a god of strength, a god of wisdom, etc., so the Catholic Church has a saint who is “in charge” over each of these and many other categories. Many Roman cities had a god specific to the city, and the Catholic Church provided “patron saints” for cities as well.26. Mary is called the gate of heaven? Mary has keys to paradise? Here are roman pagan teachers saying their man made goddess is their savior. None of these quotes have been denounced, on the contrary they are cited. "Open to us, O Mary, the gate of Paradise, since you have its keys! " St. Ambrose "God has entrusted the keys and treasures of Heaven to Mary." St. Thomas Aquinas "No one can enter into Heaven except through Mary, as entering through a gate. " St. Bonaventure "Mary is called "The Gate of Heaven" because no one can enter Heaven but through her means." St. Alphonsus Maria Liguori Papal infallibility Immaculate Mary Assumption of Mary Perpetual Virgin Mary as Mother of God, co mediatrix, co redemptrix, new ark of covenant, Pope as vicar, Holy Water, papacy, peter as first pope, papal succession, apostolic succession, indulgences, 7 sacraments, rosary veneration of saints and statues celibacy of priesthood canonization of saints limbo submit to roman pope to be saved devote to roman Mary to be saved be in Roman religion to be saved baptise in Roman baptism to be saved partake Roman sacraments to be saved baptism of blood calling Roman pope Lord God or equal to God

[@savannahfan]

You left out the New Testament too So if you think that novel items that were brought forth over time are in question, that is at odds with your belief in the infallibility of Holy Scripture too

[@browncony3897]

​@@savannahfan *NT was not written by Roman pagan religion. Roman Canon was just one of many local canons. And it was just a product of a local council, not Ecumenical Council. Roman council (a local council) did not fix any Universal Canon for all churches. A Universal Canon must be a product of an Ecumenical Council with bishops of all churches. That did not happen.* *So your Roman pagan claims are invalid.* you said You left out the New Testament too So if you think that novel items that were brought forth over time are in question, that is at odds with your belief in the infallibility of Holy Scripture too

[@savannahfan]

@@browncony3897 just curious. Why do you feel the need to use insulting language when you make your posts…? Do you feel that insecure about your opinion that you feel the need…? 😏 As for your last comment, that makes no sense. That which became, and that which is now the modern day Catholic Church, has always had multiple rites in communion. Currently 24 separate Catholic liturgical rites exist. But that’s why the Universal Church is called Catholic, it encompasses many different cultures, languages, and ethnic groups But the idea that just because there was disagreement between parts of the Early Church does NOT validate Protestantism, just the opposite. Despite those differences and disagreements (between that which become today’s Catholic Church) their efforts were directly inspired and guided by the Holy Spirit (to determine what was to be Biblical Canon) Back then, they didn’t just run off and start yet another Church (if anyone disagreed with their personal interpretation) or consider themselves more legitimate than the direct apostolic successors. Catholics don’t take credit because of Rome, Catholics take credit because it was the Universal Church (we are still part of) that later was called Catholic, that later called those books “the New Testament”and “The Bible” So hate on us all you want. History tells the truth, that it was the roots of early Catholicism that put together the Bible Hope that helps you ✝️

[@browncony3897]

@@savannahfan *Hilarious claims again. Which part is "insulting"?* you said just curious. Why do you feel the need to use insulting language when you make your posts…? Do you feel that insecure about your opinion that you feel the need…?

[@browncony3897]

@@savannahfan *Who cares about your fallible opinions. Not referring to "rites". I was referring to Roman pagan religion (in history it was a local church called Church of Rome/Latin Church/Western Church).* *My question remained: Bible and real history did not say "Roman pagan religion = Christ's Church or the Universal Church". So where is your proof that it was so? Only self claims?* you said As for your last comment, that makes no sense. That which became, and that which is now the modern day Catholic Church, has always had multiple rites in communion. Currently 24 separate Catholic liturgical rites exist. But that’s why the Universal Church is called Catholic, it encompasses many different cultures, cultures, groups

[@pamelabrigham5605]

TOTALLY AGREED 💯

[@josephdalelio6684]

Read what I added.

[@faithalone2171]

​ @dougy6237 *You are still dodging ... You still failed to answer ... If Roman Catholicism is truth or Church of the Bible, why was there not a single New Covenant believer saved in a Roman Catholic way in the whole Bible? Why is that so? Please explain coherently intelligently.* - submit to Roman pope to be saved - devote to Roman Mary to be saved - be in Roman Church to be saved - partake Roman sacraments to be saved - baptise in Roman baptism to be saved - do lots of works to be saved

[@faithalone2171]

​ @dougy6237 *If Roman pagan religion is really what you claimed "Church of the Bible", then why was there not a single New Covenant believer saved in a Roman Catholic way in the whole Bible? Why is that so? Please explain coherently intelligently. WHy do you always fail to answer?* - submit to Roman pope to be saved - devote to Roman Mary to be saved - be in Roman Church to be saved - partake Roman sacraments to be saved - baptise in Roman baptism to be saved - do lots of works to be saved

[@browncony3897]

​ @quantumv8394 *Still dodging R ctist? Where in the Bible or history says R Church = the Universal Church or Christ's Church. When are you going to answer?*

[@browncony3897]

​ @johnwilson8810 *Still dodging my main question. Where in Mat 16 mentioned R Church and said R Church inherited the authority of Peter or R Church = successor of Peter? I want proof. Not claims.*

[@johnsteila6049]

It’s in The Bible. Maybe you should read it..

[@browncony3897]

@@johnsteila6049 *Still airing your fallible opinions? Where in MAt 16 mentioned R Church? WHere? Cite me the exact words. Why the Church in MAt 16 must be R Church and cannot be any other churches gullible R Catholic?* you said It’s in The Bible. Maybe you should read it..

[@johnsteila6049]

@@browncony3897 Are you drunk? I can tolerate a certain level of bad grammar and misspelling but this has become ridiculous..

[@browncony3897]

​ @John Steila *Still airing your fallible opinions? Where in MAt 16 mentioned R Church? WHere? Cite me the exact words. Why the Church in MAt 16 must be R Church and cannot be any other churches gullible R Catholic?* you said It’s in The Bible. Maybe you should read it..

[@johnsteila6049]

Matthew 16:18. Are you saying that you’ve never seen this??

[@jediv9910]

​ @PInk77W1 *That does not prove "RCs do not bow down to statues". Just google "Roman Catholics bowing down to statues". You will see many images of that. Your Roman pope bow down to statues.* you said I’m a 63y old Catholic Not once have I bowed Down to a statue

[@josephdalelio6684]

The History of the Catholic Church (Encountering Jesus) Paperback - Student Edition, June 14, 2019 by Ave Maria Press (Author) 4.6 4.6 out of 5 stars 37 ratings Part of: Encountering Jesus (9 books) See all formats and editions The new pedagogical approach of The History of the Catholic Church-part of the entire Encountering Jesus series-has a number of distinct features. Contemporary news stories that connect recent events in the Church and the world to a particular period in history, lead to chapter focus questions that students will be responsible to remember and answer both through the coverage of the chapter, to the end of the course, and beyond. Several different applications, assignments, and projects offered in a variety of learning styles allow the teacher to gauge a student’s ability to retain and apply knowledge. This elective-written in accordance to Option B: History of the Catholic Church from the USCCB Curriculum Framework-is one that can supplement catechesis on the Church that students were introduced to in an earlier course on Ecclesiology. The historical nature of this text lends itself to a wide array of informative infographics and photo essays as well as challenging student assignments. For example, each chapter suggests three assignments meant to be completed over the approximate two-week duration the chapter material is being studied. Research reports, surveys, video presentations, debates, and various art forms are some of the formats and media that make up the chapter assignments. Finally, text is built around the opportunity introduce new material and foster mastery, while also providing more opportunities for review. This approach-encouraged throughout the Encountering Jesus series-is necessary in a course with a fast-moving and wide scope of content that follows this sequence: Sanctity and Redemption: Understanding Salvation History as the Time of Christ The Church’s Divine Origin The Gospel Spreads Despite Persecution

[@browncony3897]

@thomasfcrowley9738 *My points remained: Yet Mary was/is exalted to heaven by Roman Catholics. Roman Mary was called Queen of heaven as if she was not a human. More like a goddess. Statues were made for her. And Roman Catholics bow down to them all the time.* you said MARY IS 100% HUMAN

[@browncony3897]

​ @1234poppycat *Where in the Bible calls communion a sacrifice? Wasnt the only sacrifice the One at the Cross?* you said The text on the screen at 40:40 ""English protestants would not participate in the mass as that would be a denial of the sufficiency of the one offering of Jesus Christ " In the Catholic Mass one of the Eucharistic prayers states ""...... as we join in this one living and perfect sacrifice.........."

[@dougy6237]

The holy mass is a joining in the One sacrifice. We do not continually sacrifice Christ as the Protestant heretics accuse us. Fools

[@EdwardGraveline]

Written by Justin Martyr in 155 AD And on the day called Sunday, all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and the memoirs [letters] of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as time permits; then, when the reader has ceased, the president [the presiding priest or bishop] verbally instructs, and exhorts to the imitation of these good things. Then we all rise together and pray, and, as we before said, when our prayer is ended, bread and wine and water are brought, and the president in like manner offers prayers and thanksgivings, according to his ability, and the people assent, saying Amen; and there is a distribution to each, and a participation of that over which thanks have been given, and to those who are absent a portion is sent by the deacons. And they who are well to do, and willing, give what each thinks fit; and what is collected is deposited with the president, who succors the orphans and widows and those who, through sickness or any other cause, are in want, and those who are in bonds and the strangers sojourning among us, and in a word takes care of all who are in need. But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Savior on the same day rose from the dead. For He was crucified on the day before that of Saturn (Saturday); and on the day after that of Saturn, which is the day of the Sun, having appeared to His apostles and disciples, He taught them these things, which we have submitted to you also for your consideration. And this food is called among us Εὐχαριστία [the Eucharist], of which no one is allowed to partake but the man who believes that the things which we teach are true, and who has been washed with the washing that is for the remission of sins, and unto regeneration, and who is so living as Christ has enjoined. For not as common bread and common drink do we receive these; but in like manner as Jesus Christ our Savior, having been made flesh by the Word of God, had both flesh and blood for our salvation, so likewise have we been taught that the food which is blessed by the prayer of His word, and from which our blood and flesh by transmutation are nourished, is the flesh and blood of that Jesus who was made flesh. For the apostles, in the memoirs composed by them, which are called Gospels, have thus delivered unto us what was enjoined upon them; that Jesus took bread, and when He had given thanks, said, This do in remembrance of Me, [Luke 22:19] this is My body; and that, after the same manner, having taken the cup and given thanks, He said, This is My blood; and gave it to them alone.

[@dougy6237]

During the Last Supper, the Lord said to his disciples, “Do this in memory of me.” In Greek, this statement reads, “Touto poieite eis tan eman anamnesin.” There are two.aspects of this phrase that deserve consideration. For one, the phrase touto poieite can be translated as do this or as offer this. In the Old Testament, God commands the Israelites “you shall offer (poieseis) upon the altar two lambs” (Ex. 29:38). This use of poiein is translated as offer this or sacrifice this over seventy times in the Old Testament. So the same word that is used for the sacrifice under the Old Covenant is used for the sacrifice of the Mass in the New. The second key.aspect of this phrase is Our Lord’s use of the word anamnesin. If you were to ask a Protestant to look in a Greek Translation of his Bible, every time this word (anamnesis) appears it is within a sacrificial context (see, for example, Numbers 10:10). It also can be translated as memorial offering or memorial sacrifice. While these nuances are lost in the English translation, Jewish ears would have understood the sacrificial meaning of Christ’s words. Another New Testament passage that testifies to the sacrificial nature of the Mass is 1 Corinthians 10:14-21. Here Paul argues that participation in the Lord’s table means refusing to participate in the sacrifices of demons. Paul contrasts two groups: The first are those who participate in one altar (the table of demons), eating the sacrifice and drinking from the cup of demons. The second are those who partake of the table of the Lord (which, according to Malachi 1:7 is synonymous with an altar of sacrifice) and drink from the cup of the Lord. Paul’s argument is based upon the parallelism between the demonic sacrifice and the Christian sacrifice. Hebrews 13:10 follows this thought, saying that we have an altar from which those who serve the tent (Jewish priests serving in the temple) have no right to eat.

[@dougy6237]

Christ’s bloody sacrifice on Calvary took place once, and it will never be repeated. To repeat his sacrifice would be to imply that the original offering was defective or insufficient, like the animal sacrifices of the Old Testament that could never take away sins. Jesus’ offering was perfect, efficacious, and eternal. Protestants have no qualms accepting the perfect and efficacious nature of Christ’s sacrifice, but invite them to consider its eternal.aspect. Jesus is eternally a priest, and a priest’s very nature is to offer sacrifice. In the case of Christ, the eternal sacrifice that he offers is himself. This is why he appears in the book of Revelation as a lamb, standing as though he had been slain (Rev. 5:6). He appears in heaven in the state of a victim not because he still needs to suffer but because for all eternity he re-presents himself to God appealing to the work of the cross, interceding for us (Rom 8:34), and bringing the graces of Calvary to us. The Mass is a participation in this one heavenly offering. The risen Christ becomes present on the altar and offers himself to God as a living sacrifice. Like the Mass, Christ words at the Last Supper are words of sacrifice, “This is my body . . . this is my blood . . . given up for you.” So, the Mass is not repeating the murder of Jesus, but is taking part in what never ends: the offering of Christ to the Father for our sake (Heb 7:25, 9:24). After all, if Calvary didn’t get the job done, then the Mass won’t help. It is precisely because the death of Christ was sufficient that the Mass is celebrated. It does not add to or take away from the work of Christ-it is the work of Christ.

[@dougy6237]

Christ’s bloody sacrifice on Calvary took place once, and it will never be repeated. TJesus’ offering was perfect, efficacious, and eternal. Protestants have no qualms accepting the perfect and efficacious nature of Christ’s sacrifice, but invite them to consider its eternal.aspect. Jesus is eternally a priest, and a priest’s very nature is to offer sacrifice. In the case of Christ, the eternal sacrifice that he offers is himself. This is why he appears in the book of Revelation as a lamb, standing as though he had been slain (Rev. 5:6). He appears in heaven in the state of a victim not because he still needs to suffer but because for all eternity he re-presents himself to God appealing to the work of the cross, interceding for us (Rom 8:34), and bringing the graces of Calvary to us. The Mass is a participation in this one heavenly offering. The risen Christ becomes present on the altar and offers himself to God as a living sacrifice. Like the Mass, Christ words at the Last Supper are words of sacrifice, “This is my body . . . this is my blood . . . given up for you.” So, the Mass is not repeating the murder of Jesus, but is taking part in what never ends: the offering of Christ to the Father for our sake (Heb 7:25, 9:24).

[@browncony3897]

​ @josephdalelio6684 *This is the first time you cited Scripture. Too bad you are still wrong. Two third of NT says Salvation is Not by Works. ANd Works Salvation is anathematised. Gal 1:8-9.* *Yes Old Covenant requires keeping of Mosaic Laws to be saved. That requires works.* *But New Covenant says Salvation is Not By WOrks. That means no works. Only believe in Jesus will do. John 3:16.* you said The original quotation of Romans of the Hebrew in Habakkuk 2:4 reads THE JUSTIFIED MAN LIVES BY FAITHFULNESS THAT INCLUDES WORKS.

[@josephdalelio6684]

yOUR COMMENTS AS USUAL ARE OFF THE WALL.

[@browncony3897]

@@josephdalelio6684 *Scriptures is the final authority. Not you. Not pagan Rome. Not anyone else.*

[@jediv3381]

​@@josephdalelio6684 *If Scriptures is not the final authority, then why 180+ times Jesus, APostles and NT CHurch all appealed to Scriptures for doctrines. Not once to other sources for doctrines? Why?* *Cite which other source/sources they took doctrines from other than Scriptures:* 1 2 3 you said sCRIPTURE IS NOT the final authority

[@jediv3381]

@@josephdalelio6684 *That's a totally different dispensation. God works in different dispensations. In the New Covenant, believers slaves are brothers.* Gal 4:7 Therefore you are no longer a slave but a son, and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ. Eph 6:8 knowing that whatever good anyone does, he will receive the same from the Lord, whether he is a slave or free. Col 3:11 where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcised nor uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave nor free, but Christ is all and in all. Phm 1:16 no longer as a slave but more than a slave-a beloved broth you said do you believe in divine authority of slavery Lev. 25:44?

[@jediv3381]

@@josephdalelio6684 *Bible says Scriptures is inspired by God. Not just a combination of books. You are the result of not reading the Bible.* 2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, you said sCRIPTURE IS NOT it is a combination of books

[@faithalone2171]

​ @dougy6237 *Apostles did practise Sola Scriptura. They did cite Scriptures for their doctrines. Though they were "new", they were called "traditions of APostles"; which Scriptures/SOla Scriptura accepts, 2 Thes **2:15**.* *Scriptures/Sola Scriptura merely rejects all unbiblical traditions of men, Col 2:8, Mark 7:8. Any doctrines not from the commandments/commands of Jesus/God were "traditions of men" based on Col 2:8 and Mark 7:8. Roman doctrines were 95% from "traditions of men".* Example: God/JEsus did not command Roman religion to make statues and to bow down to them. Clearly a "tradition of men". And 95% more. you said The apostles did not practice Sola Scriptura. They were not a books religion. They apostles teachings were new.