Exploring the Transrational: A Journey into the Realms of Consciousness with Vivian Dittmar

In their second dialogue on "Voices with Vervaeke," John Vervaeke and Vivian Dittmar explore transrational thought, emotions, and transformative practices, embarking on a profound journey into human experience. Vivian introduces a map of five distinct sensations, illuminating the practice of conscious release for personal growth, emotional maturity, and integrating higher consciousness with shadow aspects. Their discussion delves into pre-rational, rational, and transrational modes of thought, emphasizing the importance of integrating various forms of thinking to navigate modern cognitive landscapes effectively. This intellectual and experiential exploration offers valuable perspectives on human consciousness, emotional work, and the potential of transrational thought to enrich our self-understanding and worldview.
Vivian Dittmar, a globally influenced author, speaker, and wisdom teacher, has dedicated two decades to enhancing holistic development. Her diverse upbringing inspired her to explore beyond conventional education, delving into various cultures' wisdom. Through her books and the Be the Change Foundation, Dittmar seeks to redefine prosperity, focusing on emotional intelligence, ecological sustainability, social justice, and spiritual fulfillment, aiming to address the crises facing modern society.
Glossary of Terms
Transrational: Going beyond or surpassing human reason or the rational; nonverbal; nonlinear; abstract.
Pre-rational: Preceding the development of intelligence.
Rational: A state of consciousness characterized by logical, linear, and verbal thinking.
Conscious Release: A practice developed by Vivian Dittmar that fosters the integration of higher states of consciousness with shadow aspects.
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The Emotional Backpack: How to release unhealthy feelings - Vivian Dittmar viviandittmar.net/en/the-emot...
Your Inner GPS: Find Clarity with the Five Ways of Thinking - Vivian Dittmar viviandittmar.net/en/your-inn...
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Rational Intuition: Philosophical Roots, Scientific Investigations - Lisa Osbeck, Barbara Held www.amazon.com/Rational-Intui...
Quotes
"One of the things that became really clear to me is that the transrational by nature has a very difficult stance in today's world because it speaks to us in a way that is nonverbal, nonlinear, abstract." - Vivian Dittmar [00:16:00]
“The ancient world had a whole faculty and term for nous and noesis, and that was all lost with the loss of our Neoplatonic heritage." - John Vervaeke [00:16:18]
"We have a transrational faculty that is also proactive, that is not receptive, and that's intention. It’s really challenging for people to understand in our cultural framework because we very quickly confuse intention with a goal." - Vivian Dittmar [00:57:43]
Chapters
[00:00:00] - Introduction and Overview of the Poly Crisis and Emotional Intelligence
[00:04:00] - Differentiating Sensations, Emotions, and Consciousness
[00:11:13] - Pre-rational, Rational, and Transrational Distinctions
[00:25:00] - Intuition, Inspiration, and Transrational Wisdom
[00:38:45] - Heart Intelligence
[00:47:50] - Reevaluating Rationality and Embracing Intuitive Integration for Decision-Making
[00:56:17] - Intention and Shaping Agency in Transrational Knowing
[01:03:40] - Bridging Phenomenology, Transrational, and Transpersonal Dialogues

[@MiPo3333]

Thanks for bringing Vivian to us! Can't wait for the third episode. A bit less interrupting would be great - I understand the intent of emphasising the important points and John's enthusiasm. But it's taken away a bit of what Vivian was saying - on the narrative side only though, Vivian still could perfectly bring across all of her thoughts and insights, I feel. And I also would love these two to co-write a book one day 👍

[@Michlin-rp5iv]

" Can't wait for the third episode. " Agreed ( almost - yes , I can certainly wait for good things to come )

[@christopherhamilton3621]

Damn, this active phenomenology is very exciting and important! More please…

[@thomasf.webber4933]

My wife has been using the emotional backpack analogy, which has helped me tremendously as a visual. I love the formulas! (Intensity of life exp x sensitivity / support to process). To share a little and expand this; I used to ignore the tools I put into my backpack, but now I have more mindfulness for what I've gathered so far. I loved the words of size and heaviness, but I think it extends to how well it's organized/accessed too. Models of thought - Intuition (emotion (gut)) (receptive), Inspiration (receptive), heart intelligence (receptive), Rationality, Intention (Goal) I'm excited to hear the expansion of this conversation and exploration into how to manage the interaction and conversation between these.

[@chrismurphy4063]

I was almost as excited as John during parts of this dialogue.......almost.....

[@oliverjamito9902]

Thank you, our beautiful Vivian for attending unto our OWN. Love you too! Gratitude and Honor. Thank you!

[@mikegarrigan5182]

I believe I share John’s enthusiasm with this episode, it was amazing. Can’t wait for the next installment. Intuition, reminds me of the Latin word "praesentire," which means "to feel beforehand."

[@amaryllisbulbfarm1291]

I was brought up to see intuition, inspiration and conscience as our connection with God. When thought resonated in a certain way with the body it was described as feeling the spirit of God, which was an indicator of truth. These teachings were packed together with a lot of myths that are easy to shoot down with modern criticism. It took a lot of listening to people like John Vervaeke and Jordan Peterson to understand that something can be true on a deeply psychological level even though it isn't historically accurate, objective, or scientific. This helped spirituality and religion to come alive for me again. I love how you unpack the different ways of knowing and thinking/feeling with your body.

[@oliverjamito9902]

Keep the sincere conversations going our beautiful Vivian! Sincere answers will be given.

[@user-pc9nv8jt5l]

John thank you so much for bringing these people and make us know that these type of scholar and literature exist you know for people like me it may take hundred of years of study and reading to find these but you intelligently pick up the most " relevant " stuff and share with us ❤❤

[@movewithseth]

Fantastic. Looking forward to reading The Emotional Backpack and also looking forward to Inner GPS once translation is available. Feel great appreciation for the work of bringing the wordless wisdom of our inner experience into the realm of reason where we can develop intelligent practices that increase our agency. People who enjoyed this video should also check out The Power of Feelings which is already available in English.

[@meta_noia]

John seemed to incorporate Jordan Peterson's behavior in interviews. Nevertheless it was a wonderful dialogo. Thank you both!

[@montanaskurka8594]

Thank you for this beautiful and illuminating conversation! This understanding and the distinctions made will become more vital to disseminate as we enter this psychedelic renaissance and folks are searching for ways to make sense of their increasingly intangible experiences. As someone who experienced "patient-hood" much of my childhood / young adulthood, I faced these existential issues and a sense of terrified confusion and alienation from an early age. I saw doctors seeing me from a pure "rational" lens, as a set of fragmented pieces to "fix". The journey home to myself has meant a descent deep into the felt sense of same body I had turned away from for decades - as broken, inefficient, disempowered. As a somatic practitioner working with these same populations now, I find the chakra system a wonderful way for me to conceptualize these different dimensions of feeling, knowing and being. It also seems that these energetic centres relate to the endocrine system. This integration - of mysticism and science, of the feminine and masculine - this is what heals - brings us as individuals and a collective into a greater sense of wholeness. Thank you! Also - the emotional backpack concept as explained by Vivian here was both mind-blowing and greatly helpful in my personal journey as well as my work! Thanks again!

[@mills8102]

I want to say that as far as the optimal distraction level that affords insights would be repetitive manual tasks. I will engage with novel ideas, it will excite my thoughts processes and get the RR machinery going and there is an optimal window where I will completely shift my focus to practical planning. This is the incubation period. Then I move from practical planning to execution and can do that part more or less automatically. During this phase, the RR has had time to do it's work below the conscious level and can now release its products up into the conscious level. I often am so overwhelmed by the insights that after allowing it to unfold for a minute or two (this unfolding is moving towards a very high level insight and you have to exercise a little patience and restraint to not stop the process too early), I have to pause and make a note.

[@Root1627]

Wow! So elegant and simple yet I can sense that this is on the far side of much complexity and even suffering to come to.

[@mills8102]

This was an incredible conversation! I really appreciated the distinctions between prerational and transrational as well as the unpacking of intuition. I think the "small, still voice" aspect is very important and is reflected in Taoism with it's emphasis on not perceiving through the lens of valence. I really look forward to what you produce on your sabbatical, John! Thank you both for this discussion which I think makes a lot of progress towards deepening the overall discourse around intuition. 🙏

[@colorfulbookmark]

The wisdom is human capacity with trust. The positive mind can grow from this ^^ The rational thoughts and wisdom are what we can trust to.

[@iscottke]

Fantastic interaction! 'Summoning intent' (from C. Castaneda) has a dual implication. Whereas the personal can be termed, 'decision'.

[@janthonycologero9206]

I can't wait to see where this goes from here. Reality "feeling" it! Embody yourself, your Self, your SELF.

[@fabricmedia]

Fascinating conversation with amazing clarity. I feel fed and can't wait for the next episode. I'm just about to do a master's project and want to find something plausible that might help us better understand some of these facilities at play. Although the project might be crude in its scope, I want to better understand aspiration and how one might overcome self-deception and offer suggestions for practically enhancing our tuning, although as I heard in this talk, it might be that a scientific project to reach some of these suggestions might be off the mark or too ambitious. Any ideas are welcome; I am all ears.

[@RootBound505]

Women’s voices (especially strong, wise voices that haven’t lost the feminine) are notably absent on the big podcasts… Rogan, Peterson, etc. 🤔 More Vivian’s please!!

[@newpilgrim]

So salient and greatly appreciate you. 🙏

[@RootBound505]

Thank you! 🙏🏻

[@bathwindow]

Very helpful talk. Thank you

[@Doureyd]

I highly appreciate this episode, I have developed intuitive language that was pointing to similar directions, thanks for offering your maps. Mine are Deeper Truth, Inner Knowing, Incarnation. And a new one I started having recently that I haven’t been able to to fully gasp : it felt like a wave of sparkling energy in the brain. Coming from moment of pure realization about the nature of reality and a deep felt sense of meaningfulness. Form this last one I have been able to reveal my deepest purpose, gain peace of mind and aligning myself with my inner guidance, just following what’s needs to unfold and allowing it to speak through me.

[@oliverjamito9902]

Intention. Is like "Intention" remember thy Foundation! Liken unto an aim of thy intent! Can thy Intention nor Aims easily be blown away? Nor Noone can uproot nor shaken but here to stay for good. Keep watch!

[@eqapo]

18:04 I propose that a blindspot of today's theory and discourse of verbal consent in dating is the ignorance of Trust's phenomenological transrational identity

[@noahjohn3077]

This is a better more understandable discussion of the differences between the psychology of rational/intuitive pre-transrational and transrational... she discusses junk psychology online that treats human trauma by commercially-based, fanciful flights into pop romanticism; Separating that from the deeper journey into the personal-subconscious and collective-unconscious levels that shape our journey through life... (What is religiously described as the spirit of God. Holy spirit, Great spirit, Ataman, Brahman, ... and named a thousand different names by each of the world religions, all of which are one with the deepest levels of each Self). That trans-rational subconscious speaks in dreams, images, metaphors, intuitions, deep emotional pre-verbal states of consciousness (subconscious)... the same way the Bible and all sacred texts speak to us in parables and stories that capture what simple words can't. Quantum physicists have come to understand that all that we perceive as the material universe is entirely composed of energy fields (spirit)... matter is a construct of our limited senses that prepared us to navigate this reality... yet other realities exist, and existed before this dream, as many religions describe... the spirit of God moving on the waters. Science and religion are coming together, as they always had been... before the Church deemed spiritual matters solely its province to explore... condemning Galileo and other scientific thinkers as heretics... threatening the Inquisition's judgement of witches and them. Great minds on a par with Davinci's became compliant... impeding science and religion from coming together... when each should be entirely the exploration together of whatever may be... with the emphasis on "maybe"... as all scriptures tell us: our small minds can't fathom the depths of God's mind. The correct attitude for science and religion, it seems to me, is to be the natural inclination of our deeper (not superficial) minds to be curious, compassionate, tolerant of different points of view, loving... and caring towards each other whoever we may be. (What Jesus taught) ...This is the "Natural Religion" that our constitution invokes... for minds like Jefferson, Franklin, Adams, and others... were ahead of us in understanding this. (Our brainwashing media and consumer culture no longer places much value on our deeper natural minds... as did our founding fathers... who were free to think ... to wonder ... to question ... to learn ... seeking wisdom, rather than the latest provocative statement online.)

[@eqapo]

1:02:57 would giving a true apology be an example of "intention"

[@lionelflores1775]

17:30 me too 😶‍🌫

[@pantherstealth1645]

🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@mathematicsandstuff]

Just check all of your artistry on flocks of horses... And I do mean the classics :))

[@darksidejosh]

every time you interrupted her it broke the flow of information. its ok to just, listen without speaking. she knows more...

[@TJ-kk5zf]

He caught Jordan Peterson disease

[@vashra4826]

Your shadow mode perspective.

[@Atopos333]

And who are you?

[@badreddine.elfejer]

It's not a discussion then, right ?

[@christopherhamilton3621]

He apologizes a few times. Nowhere NEAR as bad as JP…😢

[@bernardc4449]

Brilliant. John I kept shouting at you to SHUT UP, stop interrupting her flow. I know you are trying to be helpful (and you are) but you kept diverting her from her train of expression. I believe she was giving us an insight into something that is additional to your own insights which you have already expounded in full elsewhere. Please do not take this as a criticism of the fantastic work you are doing.

[@juanjvvictorjohnson]

It started out with purple rain outside a hijacked hydroplane. All aboard, all aboard, chugga-chugga chew. Let's play a mono-psych game, let's steel to slaughter, and steal to slaughter. Scarlet pigs rushed to mount once more, but their black and white were missing the red all over. Even with all the data, the zebras got lost in the alma mater. With new growth horns, the emerald Pharaoh rowed the stone canals, whistling a rebar money tune. Chugga-chugga choo, Clickity-clack, clickity-clack, BOOM! Dont blink. Then suddenly, God pulled out a trump card, and it started out so nice.

[@1allahakba.r]

πنستقبل رمضان بالعبرأت والدموع😭😭😭 ‘‘‘الشفقة والرحمة بالآخرين مما يحبه الله ، ويرضاه لعباده ، قال رسول الله ﷺ صلى عليه وسلم : ( الراحمون يرحمهم الرحمن، ارحموا من في الأرض يرحمكم من في السماء ﷲ 😭💔😢 يِآ نآس يِآآمٌـٍة مٌحًمٌد صِآرتٍ قلّوبگٍمٌ بلّآ رحًمٌهً ولّآشفُقهً ولّآ آنسآنيِهً گٍمٌ شگٍيِتٍ وگٍمٌ بگٍيِتٍ گٍمٌ نآديِتٍ وگٍمٌ نآشدتٍ ولّگٍن لّآ حًيِآٍة لّمٌن تٍنآديِ هًلّ يِرضيِگٍمٌ آن آخوآنيِ يِبگٍون ويِمٌوتٍون مٌن آلّجُوع وآنتٍمٌ مٌوجُودون يِعلّمٌ آلّلّهً آلّعلّيِ آلّعظَيِمٌ آننآ لّآ نمٌلّگٍ حًتٍى قيِمٌـٍة گٍيِلّو دقيِق آبيِ مٌتٍوفُيِ ﻭﺃﺧﻮﺍﻧﻲ ﺻﻐﺎﺭ ﻟﻴﺲ ﻟﻨﺎ ﺃﺣﺪ ﺃﻗﺴﻢ ﺑﺎﻟﻠﻪ ﺍﻟﻌﻈﻴﻢ ﺃﻧﻬﻢ ﻧﺎﻣﻮﺍ ﺃﻣﺲ ﺟﻮﻋﺎﻧﻴﻦ ﻭﻫﻢ ﻳﺒﻜﻮﻥ من الالم والولايات ﻳﺎﺃﻫﻞ ﺍﻟﺨﻴﺮ ﻫﻞ ﻳﺮﺿﻴﻜﻢ ﺃﻧﻨﺎ ﻣﻦ ﺃﻣﺲ ﻟﺤﺪ ﺍﻵﻥ ﺑﺪﻭﻥ ﺃﻛﻞ ℑ💔💔 ﻳﺎﺃﺧﻮﺓ الأسلام يافاعلين الخير انا اقسم بالله على كتاب الله اني لااكذب عليك ولا انصب ولا احتال اني بنت يمنيه نازحين انا واسرتي بيتنا ايجار الشهر بـ20 الف يمني والان علينا 60 الف حقـ3 شهور وصاحب البيت من الناس الي ماترحم والله يا اخي انه يجي كل يوم يبهدلنا ويتكلم علينا ويريد يطردنا من البيت للشارع لانناماقدرناندفعله الأجار وما يروح الئ بعدما نبكي ورجعوتكلمو الجيران ومهلنالاخره الأسبوع واذا دفعنا له حلف يمين بالله بيخرجنا إلى الشارع بدون رحمه واحنا.مشردين من بلادنا بسبب هذا الحرب ولانجد قوت يومنا وعايشين اناوامي واخوتي سغار والدنا متوفي الله يرحمه ومامعنا أحد في هذا الدنيا يقف جاانبنا في هذه الظروف القاسيه ومامعي اخوان كباره يقفوا معنا في هذا الظروف اخوتي سغار ولكن انا بنت لااستطيع ان اشتغل اقسم بلله ان اخواني خرجوا على للشارع وشافو وشافو الجيران ياكلو راوقفو وقفوا عند بابهم لجل يعطوهم ولوخبزه يسد بها جوعهم والله الذي له ملك السموات والارض انهم غلقو الباب وطردوهم ورجعویبکوایموتومن الجوع والله ما نجد لقمت عیش والان لوما احدنا ساعدنا في كيلوا دقيق اقسم بالله انموت من الجوع فيا اخي انا دخيله على الله ثم عليك واريد منك المساعده لوجه الله انشدك بالله تحب الخير واتساعدني ولو وتطلب اسم بطاقتي وترسلي ولاتتاخر وايعوضك الله بكل خير ساعدنا وأنقذونا قبل أن يطردونا في الشارع تتبهدل أو نموت من الجوع أنا اقسم بالله الذي رفع سبع سموات بلاعمدوبسط الارض ومهداني لااكذب عليك بحرف من هذا الرساله واني ماطلبتك إلى من ضيق ومن قسوت الضروف والحال الذي احنافيه وانا واسرتي نسالك بالله لولك مقدره ﻳﺎﺃﻫﻞ ﺍﻟﺨﻴﺮ ﺍﻟﻲ ﻋﻨﺪﻩ ﺍﻟﻘﺪﺭﻩ ﻋﻠﻰ ﻣﺴﺎﻋﺪﺗﻨﺎ لايتاخر علينا لحظه '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' هاذا رقمي 00967716649494 واتساب 📞 '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' الذي يقدر يساعدنا يراسلني على الواتساب ارسل له ألاسم الكامل في بطاقة الهويه والعنوان يحولنا بقدر استطاعته الله يجزيكم خيرا🤲🏻🤲🏻🤲🏻.┇v----------------

[@TJ-kk5zf]

Jesus Christ. You've gotten as bad as peterson as far as interrupting guests. I couldn't even watch it