Extreme Performance Summer - 2024 Test 5 Part 1

[@tirerack]

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[@michaelnyden8056]

These tests are getting better and higher quality, I like that they still addressed and scored noise and comfort for the xtreme category for those trying to dual duty them and even better that they included a max category tire to understand how they compare, looks to be potentially 2 seconds per one minute lap. Can't wait for additional content/parts!

[@tirerack]

We are so happy to hear you found the video informative! Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us.

[@DearMajesty]

Dual duty a 200tw lol...like commute on them?

[@avonhoymon1720]

I think you guys are GREAT and clearly put a lot of work into these tests.. My only concern is that you are not doing blind testing... I think it will go a long way towards getting rid of subconscious bias 😉I think we all have it....

[@tirerack]

Thank you! We know that no company always gets it right, or wrong, and our testers are tire agnostic; a good tire is a good tire, regardless of brand or price. Same with a bad one. We’ve never been shy about calling out tires that underperform, even if they come from some of the top names in the industry, and we’re equally pleased to see an unexpected underdog punch above its weight class. That being said, we agree blind testing is a positive for limiting any potential unconscious bias, and we still use it in some of our testing - although not featured here, we are always looking at ways to refine our testing and appreciate the feedback!

[@_red_scorpion_]

I appreciate these tests so much. I only buy tires from you guys because of the amount of work you put in your testing. You guys have helped me decide what tires to get for years.

[@tirerack]

Thank you for your comment! We appreciate having you as customer.

[@evcass69]

Hoosier Track Attack Pro is 200TW 😊

[@j.a.c.x]

Would be interested to see how the Hankook R-S4 and Continental ECF would compare against the top E.P tires that are more track/AutoX focused as well as comparing it to the similar AD09.

[@BrodeyDoverosx]

RS4 meh. ECF very nice. But the ECF is a big step down in grip compared to other Autocross tires, which shows you how behind the RS4 is. RS4 is deadly for any sitting water, it is durable but it’ll heat cycle out and that’ll leave you with sketchy wet driving and meh grip in the dry.

[@tirerack]

We would have liked to include the ExtremeContact Force in this test as well, but unfortunately Continental doesn’t make it in our test size. As for the Ventus R-S4, we’ve tested it many times in the past. You can see our most recent test results here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bmmoq6x_Zqekeck

[@abe3367]

Would love to know more about testing methods. Do you get tires to their ideal working temp before timing laps or just running from cold until you get a fast lap? If running from cold, what lap is the fastest for each tire? Are you taking tire temps during testing? Ambient temps during testing? Are tires getting heat into them when wet testing? If so, how many laps before timing in the wet? What are the optimal working temps for different tires?

[@tirerack]

Thank you for the feedback. We love hearing people curious about the methodology. Tires are run for a total of 8 laps and starting from cold, to give each an equal starting point. Our goal is consistency, so while we push each tire to the limit, it’s never at the expense of accurate results. The goal is to provide an equal field for the products to distinguish themselves. Typically the fastest laps are the 2nd lap. We don’t take the actual tire temperature during testing, but we do record ambient temps. Wet testing is conducted the same way, no additional “warmup” laps and no outside heat is added during wet testing, although tires do naturally generate heat from use. Optimal working temperatures is an interesting question, but there are a lot of variables to consider there - it will change from tire-to-tire. We’re testing to identify differences in tire performance, not necessarily how to optimize them, as fun as that would be.

[@abe3367]

@@tirerack Awesome, thanks for the info.

[@383MrZ28]

When are you going to test fast tires like the 3r and track attack

[@Offtopic205]

Been waiting on this video, great job as always. I’d be interested in seeing how the current lap times hold up after these tires have had some more heat cycles on them.

[@tirerack]

We are so happy to hear you enjoyed the video! We are always looking for ways to improve our testing and will be sharing your feedback with our team.

[@druscanam]

Nice, although I would recommend doing a test with a longer higher speed track. Short tight track is going to favour softer tyres that take less time to warm up. It's not surprising the A052 will blitz this test. On a higher speed track the AD09 and V730 are going to be more at home on a high speed track with better stability as well as not overheat as quickly.

[@tirerack]

The good news is that we did that! Check out Part 2 here: Extreme Performance Summer - 2024 Test 5 Part 2 (kzbin.info/www/bejne/b4q0nZKlh9tkkKM)

[@joe_lucid00]

Love these tests and this video is super super well done y'all. The hosts have great personality and great compatibility. Hope it does well, so that y'all expand further in the future, more tires per test n stuff. Also it's really fun to see these guys hold perfect conversation whilst being chucked around the car lol. I would also add that the overall durability and mileage from these tires is absolutely important. I know it's not in this particular test, but the Conti ECF supposedly lasts longer but trades for relatively lacking grip, which may be lost without that metric.

[@tirerack]

Thank you! We’ve put a lot of work into changing things around for this test season and we’re happy to hear it’s going over well. We don’t currently test for mileage and durability, but are always exploring ways to improve our testing, rest assured it’s on our minds!

[@karstgeo7290]

Great testing. Now let's see how they do for 20 min sustained...those Yoks won't be at the top anymore...

[@tirerack]

Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us and the community.

[@sonydominates]

Great video! I just got new PS4S and got RE71-RS for super cheap on your closeout. The results make me super happy with my purchases 😊

[@tirerack]

We are so glad to hear that! Thank you for your comment.

[@alanpaul6855]

These tests are getting excellent every year. Great work! OFC people are complaining about Continental ECF and maybe NFera Sport R but I digress; I would rather see how they weared in terms of tread depth and sidewall wear or perhaps even wear characteristics after first super laps; this info would be so helpful for those who occasionally do track days.

[@tirerack]

We are so happy to hear you enjoyed the video! We don’t currently test for longevity and wear per set, as it’s outside of the current scope of testing. Our drivers are targeting consistency when running laps, and since we’re not over-driving the tires and the most each tire set experiences is typically 8 recorded laps, our current methodology doesn’t create enough measurable evolution to report. It’s definitely on our minds, though, thanks for the question.

[@SlickSniper3]

Keep up the good work guys! Awesome informative videos. Hopefully the new successor to the PS4S come out next year for non oem market.

[@tirerack]

We are so happy to hear you enjoyed the video! Thank you for your feedback.

[@emgiusti88]

Great work as usual. When are you going to check out the new Hoosier tires? They're throwing down some big claims.

[@tirerack]

Unfortunately, the Track Attack Pro did not release in time for this test. However, as soon as we can work them into the testing schedule, we will!

[@BrodeyDoverosx]

Maybe it’s because you gave a soft factory suspension, but I would never call the A052 a precision tire. My experience matched what you said about the CR-S. Once you get the tire to take a set, you are rewarded with ungodly grip. Good luck trying to carry a precise slide though, we couldn’t feel exactly what the rear tires were doing in my friends FRS. Swapping to RE71Rs resolved that issue.

[@tirerack]

Thank you for sharing your experience with us and the community.

[@7mpowerd]

I’d like to know which of the pack has the stiffest sidewall. For us heavy camber limited cars.

[@TranceFur]

Bridgestones consistently have very stiff sidewalls. The RE-71RS is probably your best bet in this lineup.

[@SATO_FD2R]

I was just in the market for Extreme performance summers! Got lucky I guess!

[@tirerack]

Sure did! We hope you found this video helpful.

[@MaxPwr176]

I've always wondered if I'd be better running PS4S in rain events, thanks for answering that question!

[@tirerack]

We are so happy to hear you enjoyed the video!

[@pedroneves8288]

Great video, once more! Next time try to include the BF Goodrich G Force Rival S 1.5. It had great reviews in previous tests. I'd love to know what you guys would find out about this tyre.

[@tirerack]

Really appreciate the kind words! We’ve made adjustments to expand our testing this season to include more tires in each test, but unfortunately, the g-Force Rival S 1.5 just did not make the cut this time around.

[@vea2ca]

Overall very nice to have this comparison on extreme performance tires on same car and track. The overall results are in some way expected .. no surprises there. Specifically for highest g on dry surface I dont believe the numbers are accurate. I have tested 71RS in different tracks (Mid-Ohio low grip) and Grattan (high grip) they can generate at least 1.2-1.3g ... this is a lot different than the results presented here 1.04g. Also the lap is too short to establish any good comparison .... need at least 60 sec or more and medium to high speed corners. Maybe it will come in future videos. Thanks for sharing.

[@TRZ0612]

G numbers are usually done on a 300ft circle on a flat surface. When you are on track, you have elevation changes , etc. Peak G numbers are not a good matrix, using a skid pad is.

[@tirerack]

When we’re testing for lateral Gs, we’re looking at average sustained Gs around a 200 ft. diameter skid pad. We’re not looking at peak numbers - what we publish isn’t necessarily “this is the best this tire can do”, but multiple tires tested using the same methods in a controlled environment relative to one another.

[@ChinTrack]

I hope my friend Kevin Steckbower sees this. He really likes tires.

[@Jeff_320]

please add Hoosier track attack!!!!!!!!!!

[@tirerack]

Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us. We appreciate your feedback and will make sure to pass it along to our team!

[@ixD9]

No Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2? Considering how well the PS4S did, leaving the PSC2 out seems deliberate. 😁

[@Eric-qx7fg]

ur gay bro shut up

[@tirerack]

Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us. We wish we could test every tire, but unfortunately there has to be a limit just to keep a test manageable and consistent.

[@ixD9]

@@tirerack I mean, I get that you have to limit the number of tires, but you included two Yokohamas and one Michelin of a different tire class. It would have made more sense to pick one Yokohama and have the Cup 2 present. The Cup 2 is definitely a contender for me so it's disappointing to not be able to see how it stacks up against the competition.

[@ishkaranbrar313]

Please do an all weathers video too.

[@tirerack]

Thank you for your feedback! We are constantly testing tires in all categories. You can explore our video playlists to find our all-season tires tests.

[@LoveLikeaHurricane]

I'm over here still buying RS4....because it lasted 3.5 years and 55k miles, for my front tires. The rears probably would of lasted just as long, if I didn't get nails through them in that time.

[@tirerack]

Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us.

[@thisismyviewingchannel926]

I am curious how the RS4 would be

[@upbeatmantis86]

Probably around ad09 level

[@tirerack]

Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us. We are always looking for ways to improve our testing and will be sharing your feedback with our team!

[@CaptainCJ97]

11:47 nice shot

[@NegativeCamber13]

what kind of pressures were you running? Thanks for the video!

[@tirerack]

Great question. We always use the placard-indicated pressure for our test vehicles.

[@RJTracing]

1st - my favorite tire supplier. 2nd - my to go source to all costumers that ask for tire advice. 3rd - Please get these drivers to update their steering technique. Why are they using an antiquated, shuffle, 10/2 steering technique???? 4th - In my 3rd party blind tire testing, I was able to see a defined data cluster with a proper 9&3 steering technique. I kept telling myself this is B roll footage and not the actual test runs.

[@tirerack]

Thank you for sharing your thoughts and opinions with us. We appreciate your business and will share your feedback with our team.

[@MrErball]

Conti Extreme Contact Force not being on this comparison is downright criminal. Good testing though!

[@tirerack]

Thank you for your comment! We wish we could test every tire, but unfortunately there has to be a limit just to keep a test manageable and consistent.

[@jaiejeot]

I'm having fun with the AD09 with my Econo box. 😂

[@tirerack]

We are happy to hear you enjoy your tires!

[@MrErball]

Conti Extreme Contact Force not being on this comparison is downright criminal.

[@TRZ0612]

How would you compare the Goodyear Supercar 3 to these? That is my favorite tire to run on my 718 GT4, but they are always on back order.

[@tirerack]

Unfortunately, the Eagle F1 Supercar 3 is not available in our test size, but we last tested it back in 2020 alongside the ADVAN A052 run in this test. It’s not a perfect comparison to the current testing, since it’s a different vehicle, different time, etc - but you can read those results here: www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/testDisplay.jsp?ttid=255

[@BushidoDriver]

Great information! Just wish I didn't have look at exterior of that M2 so frequently...🤮😂

[@tirerack]

Thank you for your feedback.

[@Tony_miata]

They should probably be doing these reviews on cars with hydraulic steering. They're making so many comments about steering wheel in a car that is 99% devoid of anything resembling feel or feedback even weighting. Had an m2. Bailed fast

[@tirerack]

In a way, we agree - our team has been doing this for a long time - we started testing with E46 3 Series test cars. As technology has changed, steering feel has changed, and we’ve grown with it. Our obligation to test on vehicles that are representative of the kind of high-end performance that the latest tires are designed for continues, even if it means those vehicles have made some alterations we don’t prefer. We’ve been fortunate enough to experience a wide variety of vehicles and steering to pick up on even subtle nuance.

[@blackrifle6736]

*Felix asked and received no answer. Why indeed did you exclude CONTINENTAL?*

[@TranceFur]

They excluded many extreme performance tires. It would be nearly impossible to fit them all into one test.

[@christopherdaniel2747]

As my car is slower any one I choose depending on price

[@ubacow7109]

Feel like this test came out a tad too early they should have waited for the new Hoosier track attack pro and Maxxis vr2 tires

[@tirerack]

Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us. We are always looking for ways to improve our testing and will be sharing your feedback with our team!

[@joshuagorman7856]

Such a bummer the new hoosiers arent in here

[@Newyen6MT]

Just released

[@joshuagorman7856]

@Newyen6MT so? They were literally selling them on launch day. They should of grabbed a set for this test. Guessing they filmed this a while ago and just got around releasing it

[@TRZ0612]

@@joshuagorman7856 Not all sizes are being released all at once. My size on my 718 GT4 won't be avail until Q4 2025

[@tirerack]

Unfortunately the Track Attack Pro did not release in time for this test. However, as soon as we can work them into the testing schedule, we will!

[@fransarj]

Would've been nice to include wear rates.

[@tirerack]

Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us. Evaluating longevity is outside the scope of our normal testing. However, similar to any tire, the mileage you obtain from any of the tire models tested will largely depend on how you use them.

[@MrBbs67]

Am I missing something? Where is video #2?

[@tirerack]

It is up now! There is direct link to part 2 at the end of this video.

[@palefaced1]

No sport cup 2 or sport cup 2 R?

[@tirerack]

We wish we could test every tire, but unfortunately there has to be a limit just to keep a test manageable and consistent. We are always looking for ways to improve our testing and will be sharing your feedback with our team!

[@Chad_7777]

Goodyear and Continental both missing?

[@tirerack]

Thank you for your comment! We wish we could test every tire, but unfortunately there has to be a limit just to keep a test manageable and consistent.

[@VxO4fame]

G Numbers are suprsingly low for the dry.

[@eagledrummer23]

Cool test, but unfortunate timing! I don't think anything outside of deep south track cars will be getting summer tires installed for the next six months.

[@lucassganderlla7305]

Sebring is fantastic in the winter!

[@tirerack]

We agree, and unfortunately the time delay between testing, filming, scripting, editing and final production worked against us this year. We’ll work to make sure next season’s testing goes up sooner.

[@brianlobo1512]

You got an E90 in frame at 5:31

[@7mpowerd]

Of these tires, which can be flipped to more evenly wear them out.

[@alexflores5020]

I have 660 and it’s symmetrical and can be flipped. I also have 71RS and 730 which are both asymmetrical so no go on these.

[@7mpowerd]

@@alexflores5020 I know ECF advertises you can flip. But expect worse wet performance. I can totally live with that to get longer life.

[@ffh2303]

Can anyone else access the 2024 results?

[@tirerack]

Hi there! We just tested the link in the description and it seems to be working on our end. Are you having trouble clicking into it?

[@blackrifle6736]

*Link works just fine.*

[@williamrori1274]

No Hoosier TA's????

[@EnasiAU]

I assume this was recorded prior to the release of the TA's

[@tirerack]

Unfortunately the Track Attack Pro did not release in time for this test. However, as soon as we can work them into the testing schedule, we will!

[@ganzonomy]

Where's the pilot sport 2r

[@tirerack]

Thank you for your comment! We wish we could test every tire, but unfortunately there has to be a limit just to keep a test manageable and consistent. However, we are always looking for ways to improve our testing and will be sharing your feedback with our team!

[@TheSuburban15]

Timing is everything

[@fireboltjd]

So Cup 2 wins as it would be the equivalent to these tires and the P4S got second? Not even mentioning the Cup 2 which is 200 treadware and including the 300 P4S is not a good look. Lost a lot of credibility in my mind

[@_red_scorpion_]

The ps4s got dead last where these 200tw tires are made for- the dry track. Of Course, that's not a surprise either. They included the 300tw ps4s to show the differences between the king of the 300 class and 200 class. Of course when they combine both wet and dry, track and road the ps4s will score higher purely because it's much better on the road and in the rain. The cup 2 is also a 200 as you've said and so the ps4s will score above it on the road and in the rain too. You can't just conclude that X tire (cup 2) will win overall because Y tire (ps4s) in a totally different class got a high score when factoring in conditions where the X tires class is not built for.

[@fireboltjd]

@@_red_scorpion_I think we agree on all. My point is not include the Michelin equivalent as well if you are showing the comparison to 300

[@_red_scorpion_]

​@@fireboltjd Ah, fair enough, I do wish they had included it too.