Eye-Opening Results From Surveying Thousands of Latter-Day Saints

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Eye-Opening Results From Surveying Thousands of Latter-Day Saints - Josh Coates

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@forallthesaintspod 2 ай бұрын

Which data set surprised you the most? Don’t forget to subscribe! Timestamps: 00:00 Surveying Beliefs and Practices of Latter-day Saints 02:49 Moral Foundations Theory 08:11 Valuing Highly What's Sacred 15:42 Latter-day Saint Views on Suffering 19:31 Surprises from the Data 27:51 'It's Healthier to be a Latter-day Saint' 35:06 Significant Factors in Leaving the Church 40:33 LGBTQ 45:45 Assuming Shared Views 49:37 Learning and Moving Forward with the Data 56:32 For More Information

@erichammett2893 2 ай бұрын

I’d be curious if there was enough of a sample to separate former members in Utah vs other places. Anecdotally, I see former members in Utah as more polarized and disaffected than those in other places

@forallthesaintspod 2 ай бұрын

I’d love to see a wider survey in all areas, it would be even more fascinating!

@shaferhead 2 ай бұрын

Very interesting. I used to work at a company Josh was CEO of. He has an incredible mind, and it's no surprise that he's put together something like this. Love the conversation!

@UpwardChanging 2 ай бұрын

I am unsure if this is the survey I participated in. It was within the last two years. It was lengthy and took me at least an hour to complete. I wish I kept record of which survey it was because I was curious to see what the results were.

@haroldblack170 2 ай бұрын

It is wonderful to see faithfulness the youth of the church.

@ldsinvestigator6514 2 ай бұрын

The Covid data is interesting, but also you have to consider the religious type which tends to be the more conservative type often broke the lockdown directions either by not masking or not isolating. Since we know how detrimental isolation is on well being, those who broke that directive probably did fair better

@forallthesaintspod 2 ай бұрын

Definitely think that’s a part of it, but in the UK the lockdowns at first were quite strictly adhered to. Still quite strict in the later lockdowns over here, not sure how it would have been for US.

@carolyearsley 2 ай бұрын

Exmo here--still conservative,except on LGBT issues, never wore a mask, distanced, or took the so called antidote. I know two devout members who died from the poke. One died suddenly, and the other developed a turbo cancer. L.D.S. Inc. has blood on its hands.

@katiejenkins8767 2 ай бұрын

I believe there may be a correlation with GenZ being “all in” and the huge focus the church has made towards younger generation over the last 25-30 years.

@forallthesaintspod 2 ай бұрын

Yes hopefully - I know that FSY has been incredible for many of the youth in the UK

@carolyearsley 2 ай бұрын

WEll, of course they are going after them. They will be birthing lots of new tithe payers soon.

@tooncesrubadue1123 2 ай бұрын

@@carolyearsleyI know you wouldn't like it if someone assumed your motives in a negative way.

@carolyearsley 2 ай бұрын

@@tooncesrubadue1123 I stand by what I have learned about how the Mormon hierarchy works. It is all about amassing billions. The corporation is worth over 250 billion dollars at present. 7 billion a year comes in just from tithing alone. The good everyday rank and file members are being totally fleeced. And some of them are my children and grand-children. One more thing---In the last 25 to 30 years 7 to 100 million of us former members have walked away from this greedy corporation posing as a church. I hope that you will too, someday. You seem like a very good person.

@tooncesrubadue1123 2 ай бұрын

Sounds like you have some raw, hurt feelings. I'm sorry for that. I wish you peace and happiness in whatever path you travel. As for me, I'm not the least bit interested in leaving the church. I've had a season of over a decade of not attending or participating in any way. I've also served in leadership positions. Observing behind the scenes with all of the human weakness, mistakes, and struggles I've seen by those leading, has increased my love and testimony for the restored church. No person, in or out of the church will determine my path. Only me and my relationship with Jesus Christ will determine my path. I hope that one day you will return and see what I see. However, your choices are yours. You have to do what makes you the most happy. Your children and grandchildren should also be able to do what makes them the most happy.

@jacobmayberry1126 2 ай бұрын

I participated in this survey. It's top notch.

@forallthesaintspod 2 ай бұрын

Nice to see you here sir!

@markadams7046 2 ай бұрын

Most researchers have books in the background (he does have some), this guy has a root beer bottle collection in the background. I admire that.

@petervousden691 2 ай бұрын

I thought he was in a bar and they were beer bottles

@johngenis344 2 ай бұрын

Well wait a second here in talking about Latter-Day Saints being sacred my best friend is a Latter-day Saint and I have other friends that are his friend and they're my friends that are later they Saints and I know for myself everything in my Christian walk is about holiness in a sacred manner abiding in Christ at all times now I know the church in America here in post postmodernism in the Evangelical space is just crazy the church is really in my opinion from a Christian standpoint I really not good examples of what a Christian church is all about unfortunately but when I was young and became reborn I went to a monastery which was Catholic so my background is much different many Evangelical or Protestant church members that are still very active in living heavy in the secular world and in my walk when I Shepard and disciple others I see where people have a hard time being able to understand bet you can't do both walk in that world and at the same time walk in a sacred holy Manor but I'll tell you what I don't want to sound boastful or full of pride but all of the Latter-Day Saints that I know which are quite a few they don't know anything about what sacred is so maybe I just haven't met the ones that do I hate the judge like that cuz it's unfair but they mostly just know about rituals is that the church is put into place and fulfilling those rituals well some of them actually only one really the rest don't even do that they barely can get to the ward on Sunday in any case they don't like to study either especially the Bible I don't know maybe I have to talk to you to understand how you understand what sacred it is in any case they do live a much more conservative and respectful life in regards to covenants and Commandments then all of the secular world that's for sure and maybe that's what you mean by sacred God bless in Jesus name amen

@forallthesaintspod 2 ай бұрын

Thank you for your comment. John, join us at one of our services. I think you’ll be able to understand us much better. Let me know whereabouts you are and I can share your local meetinghouse

@CarlosRomero-gb3ht 2 ай бұрын

I think gen z is far more informed than millennials where when we where young. Perhaps that's why they are more active. That shift from not having internet to all of the sudden having all the info we can want and more at such an early age in our lives perhaps did a toll on us lol.

@daisymae4587 2 ай бұрын

28:07 I think it is reductive and misleading to simplify the statistic regarding temple marriage and the divorce rate. While it may be factually true that the rate of divorce is lower in temple marriage, the reasons for this should be explored or at least acknowledged rather than tacitly implying that it is some kind of magic marriage formula. Many who marry in the temple suffer through unhappy and often abusive marriages becuase they covenanted with God in the temple to make their marriage last forever. I am speaking from experience. By my 4th year of marriage I was aware that my husband had propositioned our neighbor while she was out hanging laundry. I stayed another 22 years begging for change, forgiving repeatedly, and enduring emotional, physical and sexual abuse. BECAUSE I was married in the temple and had promised God. It's a pretty awful reason to endure to the end of a relationship like that. Women (and men) stay when they otherwise would not and objectively should not, just because of that ordinance. Please offer at least an acknowledgment of that when you share this statistic in the future, because on the face of it, you make it sound like "that's good." For either harm or fairness, it is decidedly not good.

@forallthesaintspod 2 ай бұрын

I’m sorry that you went through a terrible experience, that sounds really difficult. I hope you find peace! Although there are individual, heartbreaking instances, I disagree that Josh is misleading. Mass surveys provide general data that give us interesting insights such as this. It’s a valid and credible piece of data while also being general and not catering for individual, specific instances. It’s perfectly acceptable to debate the results of the data and their implications, I’m sure many will have different views based on their experiences in/out of the Church - I welcome that!

@yorgasor 2 ай бұрын

That's a great point. One can't assume that just because people stay married, that it's a good thing. During the ERA debates in the late 70's, one of the arguments against the ERA was that it promoted the idea that women should enter the workforce, when statistics showed that women in the workforce got divorced at a higher rate than women who stayed home. The reason given by many faith leaders for this discrepancy was that women were no longer able to devote the necessary time to their husbands and kids and this caused the family unit to fall apart. What wasn't considered was that women who have never worked outside the home were trapped. If they were to get a divorce, they wouldn't have a way to support themselves. It was better for them to stay in an abusive or unfulfilling marriage than to risk ending up on the street. Women who worked didn't have those concerns. If they had a bad marriage, they had the ability to leave. With a temple marriage, we're taught that we're supposed to endure to the end, and if we endure things well, then maybe in the next life we can be happy. But what a horrible life, thinking you have to "endure" a marriage rather than move on so you have a chance to find someone you can be happy with.