F-15EX Eagle II Vs F-16C Viper | BVR | Digital Combat Simulator | DCS |

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[@GlitchyGamers18]

How did you post the comment 10 mins ago when the video was only uploaded now?

[@hectorarcia4853]

F-15C vs F-15E

[@Anarchy_420]

F-22 Raptor VS Ten North Korean MIG-29's BVR👍

[@Anarchy_420]

@@hectorarcia4853 made the same request a while back👍 But now there's The F-15EX🤔

[@Miguelcooldude777]

Make F35C vs F/A-18 Super Hornet

[@williamtaftt]

Fun fact: the EX on the end of the F-15EX stands for EXtra missiles

[@HereticsRight]

I'd be interested in seeing a comparison video of some of the radar systems in DCS. Who can pick up what at different distances maybe?

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

the F15 can pick up targets the size of the F16 at like 80 miles. which currently is about 2 times the range of the F16

[@HereticsRight]

@@GrowlingSidewinder How does that compare to the various russian platforms?

[@alinawaz1730]

F-16 can pick loaded eagle at what range?

[@stark5353]

@@GrowlingSidewinder Is that statistic for the EX f-15 or the regular one?

[@HomelessCows]

@@HereticsRight Russian radar is decent looking up, the moment ground clutter is a factor though, Russian radar is one of the worst.

[@pluginleah]

I saw this thumbnail and was like "ah yes, the F-1 SEX eagle."

[@genralreno]

5EX sells

[@stupidthefish1979]

“And the missile probably hit the buildings.” “Haha, I’m just kidding, it didn’t.” “It probably hit the buildings.”

[@kaba4466]

Hahaha I was laughing at that too!

[@thomaszhang3101]

Russian bomber pilots who fired Kh-22:

[@jarhead1031]

The collabs with LS are always a highlight, you guys are always entertaining together

[@kindasupersonic7114]

the AMRAAM bus idea was supposed to be for the B-1 Lancer to fire something like a hundred or so amraams from the internal bay off of something like a rotary launch system. guess it was cheaper to use multiple f15s since the f15 is getting a life extension and the B1 is most likely getting retired.

[@leonswan6733]

I think it is Foolish to retire the B-1Bs . I have had plenty of debates on KZbin with real USAF and engineers about retiring the B-52s and keep the B-1Bs in play. They have won the debate on keeping the B-52H re-engine ( B-52I it mite be ) in play but i still feel we need to keep the B-1Bs in play as well for this same FOX 3 " Missile Truck " concept.

[@ihatemondays2876]

There was also an idea to turn the Boeing 747 into a cruise missile bus a while back to carry a ton of ALCMs, it didn't exactly happen but the engineer who thought about it (probably while sitting on a toilet) had blast entertaining the idea! Also about bombers carrying air to air missiles, I think I read somewhere (forgot where, and their words not mine) that one of the upcoming B-21 Raider's features will include air-to-air capability, so we might still get air-to-air missiles on bombers!

[@leonswan6733]

@@ihatemondays2876 yep. They should convert the 20 or so B-2 bombers to stealth AWACS after the B-21s go main line implementation. theirs a lot of AWACS killing FOX 3 missiles in the current air battle field. it could go " cold " or quiet IE turn off RADAR and data link transmissions to hide from a FOX 3 missile fired at it.

[@ryanestes7331]

@@leonswan6733 there's only 20 b2 bombers, the air force would really like to cut that down

[@benn454]

@@ihatemondays2876 Probably don't want to use an airliner for something like a missile truck. Opens them up to being deliberately targeted.

[@EPiQ_cR]

I'm only around 80 hours into DCS and haven't even considered PVP dogfighting yet...but man I love how comprehensible your breakdowns are. This is such fantastic content! Thank you!!

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Thanks very much man really appreciate it.

[@pbdye1607]

The B-1R was the "missile truck" they were considering. A B-1 with 4x F-22 engines.

[@magnanimus9692]

It'd be fun to see a BVR fight but each pilot with AWACS and B-1Rs just lobbing AMRAAMs at like fukken mach 2 lol

[@ChickentNug]

Holy shit haha

[@tera59487]

B-one r

[@Enduro300rr]

@@tera59487lmaooo I see what you did there

[@miguelruiz8183]

I wonder if the fighter mafia could have ever imagined just how much of a powerful fighter the Eagle would be over 40 years later it's still an incredible machine

[@Elthenar]

Or the fact that the F-16 had to adopt many of the things they were against to be successful.

[@stryker1999]

@@Elthenar Yes, the "cheap day fighter" became one hell of a multirole dogfighter. And it works hella good at it. Compared to a number of other designs it's still kind of cheap.

[@dannonyogurt98]

The F-16 and F-15 is good in spite of the fighter Mafia not because of them. And they overplay their involvement as well.

[@truthseeker9454]

The moral to the story? Skill is great, but more missiles is better. Another great collab with LongShot -- thanks, both of you! I told him last year after watching him fly with you a few times he was going to have to change his name to SureThing. :^D

[@danielberger1378]

After "that worked surprisingly well", I expected the screen go dark any second 😅

[@RT42069]

I half-expected it after "I'm not worried about that missile, I'm just gonna go ahead and recommit."

[@briarrandolph307]

i really like the little video window when you drop tanks, could even be used to show missle launches or what the opponent is doing.

[@lorien544]

Love the videos appreciate the loadout at the start and the tacview not to mention the very snazzy drop tank view

[@Bbuzz8393]

Really like your videos! You present A LOT of info but never in a way that’s confusing. Speaking clearly also helps tremendously! Thanks for the effort you put into your channel.

[@dipereira0123]

This videos shows a concept that it's also applied in chess: "you must know if you opponent is an amateur or an professional to respond accordingly" because from a professional PoV an illogical play from the amateur will make the pro rethink 50 times because it will look like a trap. Same could be said about this fight, the F-15 preemptively defended regardless of any missile alert, the "trick" would be the F-16 hold fire in the engagement and let the F-15 Believe that it was out of ammo

[@MrZeek1519]

First time watcher here. This was so entertaining and educational. Love the breakdown of the fight too. Thank you, and keep up the great work.

[@andylo25]

Thank you for all your hard work GS - it ain't easy to upload good content and you're doing it well. I am going to pick up on your early vid commentary about the F15EX and F35 combination (claimed 'spotter / sniper') - this would be entertaining scenario to explore on how that could play off with different and increasing numbers of 4th gen combatants (maybe team up with LS). Thank you again for really nice uploads.

[@josiahortiz5416]

This is one of the best videos I’ve seen! I like the way it looked

[@JonathanH21]

I’m really interested what a f35 would do at BVR, i have heard that that’s the point were it shines.

[@maverick8697]

I wonder what is the RCS of F-35 with full external AA load compared to the Viper.

[@tbirdpunk]

The EX is more than a missile truck. Advanced radar, increased acceleration, greater weapons payload, and enhanced maneuverability are all part of the package.

[@valenrn8657]

F-15EX has improved high AoA.

[@Anderson_Hwang]

EX is less maneuverable than a C model Eagle due to the increased weight and higher wing loading

[@valenrn8657]

@@Anderson_Hwang There are two F-15E variants F-15E and F-15E-1, F-15E-1 has higher sustain G due to engine upgrades. The original F-15E is inferior to F-15C. F-15E-1 is superior when compared to F-15E. F-15EX has high AoA improvements e.g. into 40 degrees range.

[@valenrn8657]

@@Anderson_Hwang Have you looked at F-15E-1's flight envelope diagrams with engine upgrades?

[@Anderson_Hwang]

@@valenrn8657 According to the Fighter Pilot Podcast, the Eagle driver clearly said that the Charlie models are better than Echo models in maneuverability, regardless of the upgraded PW-229 engines or not

[@jimlthor]

Glad to see TacViews back. =) I always like watching the breakdowns... but I understand why you didn't do them very often. With this many new viewers, it seems like you could pretty much start your entire "catalog" completely over, including your old tutorials. I'd like to see an updated version of your FA 18 radar tutorial. I STILL recommend that one to anyone that asks for help on it since it's the best one, even though it's 3 years old

[@JessidGallardo]

You should do the US vs Russia thing again but with the rule that you can't choose the same jet twice so it's more interesting. Do like 5 or 6 rounds so you can have different engagements.

[@minimvl]

That mar explanation was really cool. Thanks ✈️

[@laxen614]

Just got my hoodie from ur merch store with the f-16 hud hoodie and i love it!

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Glad to hear you love your hoodie, thank you for supporting the channel.

[@ZuluF0xtr0tG0lf]

I do believe they were considering the BONE as a missile truck. Thought that was a fun idea. Love the channel and content GS appreciate you

[@robertmccalley7413]

I’m not sure if you take suggestions but it would be cool to see a simulation of F-22s vs F-35s (1v1, 1v3, 2v6, etc)

[@AmauryChihuahua]

Two turns and the f35's are dead

[@jasonyesmarc309]

Absolutely love BVR fights!

[@acarrillo8277]

2:20 one I know of is Rapid Dragon, it's for cruise missiles though. Also there was the B-2X concept, that has a B-2 loaded to the max with AMRAAMs :edit:(I am reminded that was B-1 not B-2)

[@Chuck_Hooks]

Cruise missiles for now but everything will available for Rapid Dragon in time.

[@FullBoltOnRacing]

It was actually the B-1R not B2. It could carry like 60 AMRAAMs

[@Nellinator23]

It's always fun watching you and Longshot together, whether it's a serious fight like this or when you two are sharing a brain cell.

[@magwo]

Why do you generally not pitch up before shooting 120s? In our community we've seen significantly increased lethality by matching the loft angle the missile will take. This lets the missile spend most of its acceleration in the correct direction upon launch. The longer the shot, the greater the loft angle. But there are drawbacks - for example you spend some airspeed by pitching up.

[@TOPGUNKHA]

I’m tired of the F15 Disrespect 🦅 Eagle Drivers Or No Driver 😎

[@jamesjackman4638]

The usaf has experimented with the C-130 armed with missiles and yes it can in theory be armed with the amraam missile, along with other options. The C-130 has space for missiles near the outer wing on a specialy modified rail.

[@danzigschwaiger5032]

Exceptionally cool, I didn't know there's already F-15EX Eagle II in DCS. I though it was F-15E Strike Eagle

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

this is just a mod, the strike eagle is the official module coming at some point

[@unclevampy]

Would love to see the Mig-31 vs the Raptor in BVR. Maybe some payback for GS and LS.

[@Belford_4642]

Miiiiiig 15! Or more pilot and rio content with long shot, y’all argue like brothers lol

[@dinomaster4013]

9:53 GS: that worked surprisingly well 10 seconds later

[@dc_aviation25]

What’s kind of funny is that the EX can carry more you guys have it with 12 but the EX can use the other two wing stations so it could hold up to 20 don’t know if they’d do it. Honestly I’d truly insane how many missiles the 15EX can hold.

[@a_crows_edits2745]

They only hold 16. The outer pylons can hold the 4 missile pylons

[@a_crows_edits2745]

Cant*

[@user-fw2dd2cy3c]

@@a_crows_edits2745 Is there an official number yet? I've seen things that say "nearly two dozen," and "more than two dozen."

[@a_crows_edits2745]

@@user-fw2dd2cy3c yea there is an official number. They can’t fit another four missiles pylons bc it would bc to Harvey on the wing

[@dc_aviation25]

Actually it can cause there’s an adapter that attaches to the BRU rack one is similar to a BRU-61 and the other is a bit different both adapters can hold 2 AIM-120s allowing it to carry more that a normal F-15.

[@johnandrewmunroe]

Great to see the band getting back together for another incredible gig. Bring it!!

[@hdvsmith]

Love your Merch. I have the GS Tomcat and F18 HUD mug. I was wondering if you have the Tornado Warning graphic as a mug also? Love the channel. Keep up the awesome content!

[@shooter2224]

Yea for some reason the latest Viper update really screwed its lock on range

[@jordanwyder6292]

Hey GS love the videos!! I know how much you love a good fight and i wanted to recommend a free mission to you. You have the option of the F-14, F-16, or F-18 and your mission is a bomber intercept thats being esocrted by 6 J-11s and potentially 2 more SU-33. The mission is called Chinese Bomber Intercept. I've done it at least 10 times and even added a wingman and still unsuccessful lol

[@lazyshinobi5649]

dude, i dont even play DCS but your videos are so good!

[@briand3200]

I like how you cut back and forth between the F-16 and F-15ex

[@BrentMarchand]

I love these tactical debriefs!

[@madwagon9775]

You're damn right they put missiles on the C130, albeit air to ground ones. The J models are the Baskin Robbins of ground attack. Any flavor of whoop ass you want.

[@howdeedoo]

I feel like the is the equivalent of a gym bro and a track and field bro having a fist fight

[@lenindoodoocheek6901]

hey gs ur videos are amazing and i have been waching for over a year and just wanted to say hi

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

thank you very much, I appreciate your support.

[@Baptistbowhunter]

Bruh, same too

[@personwithname5830]

BRO LENIN YOU SMELL

[@akgameplayhearthstone7777]

This is cool i subscribed!!

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Thanks, and welcome to the channel.

[@Kadeo-ms6qw]

So I’m a little confused on your setup and a quest 2 pleb, but am interested in the pimax 8k. In the description it list both the trackIR 5 and the headset, can the trackIR 5 work in tandem with the headset or do you have to still use base stations? If base stations which ones do you use?

[@shermanflipse814]

I'd like to see dogfights with these pure BVR loadouts. I'm really curious how different it is from fox 2 fights.

[@vaccuumrolls7243]

@@yapod9061 they still pull very hard, you can see in some of his older videos he used the SD-10 and AIM-120 as dogfight missiles to good effect.

[@dsdy1205]

@@yapod9061 they accelerate slower, but they turn just about as well when up to speed

[@RT42069]

I imagine the only thing they really would lack is the high-off-boresight capability of the 9X's, ASRAAMs, etc.

[@dnep7937]

I love your vids man

[@ayushnautiyal5083]

"Hes carring all my payload on One wing" 😂🔥

[@pocketpunch9920]

Bro the way you paused at the C130 missile truck idea, you know you just figured something out.

[@darthgibsonlp6631]

To be fair I'd back the Eagle II in BVR against the Viper every time. It's very, very capable when you look at the spec.

[@leonswan6733]

Same here

[@flyingcactus1953]

To be fair , F-15EX should be compared with F-16 block 60 at least

[@leonswan6733]

@@flyingcactus1953 Would of been nice if the USAF ordered some F-16XLs back in the late 80s. They with modern block numbers and one engine would of been up to par with F-15EXs for sure.

[@mobius7089]

@@flyingcactus1953 Still an F-16, would never stand a chance.

[@flyingcactus1953]

@@mobius7089 it depend, it all depend on their respective RCS and Radar range. F-16 block 60 have ApG-80 with very good radar range. While its radar range isn't as good as F-15EX, its RCS is much smaller. So things balance out

[@Yodaddy1788]

This looks amazing

[@quasimondo1933]

The thought of a C-130 full of AAMRAMs makes me feel tingly inside.

[@BigBrotherMars]

No it doesn't

[@xineisBR]

Hi, GS! I was wondering whether you are still using the TrackIR or the Tobii. Did you make a follow up video on the Tobii?

[@SimonBauer]

would like to see a start up and take off straight into a bvr fight

[@Anarchy_420]

F-15EX VS F-15STOL/MTD bfm F-15EX VS MIG-31 BVR Redemption against hypersonic missile!👍

[@Anarchy_420]

Either F-15EX, F-35, lol or F-22 VS MIG-31 BVR! Yo GS need revenge against MIG-31/hypersonic missile!👍👍

[@BNEA02]

Soo informative!

[@mictest12]

7:40 Why I hit the play button on GS's videos the moment I get notifications

[@sgt.grinch3299]

Excellent video.

[@ryanweintraub9448]

I will never not think the death black screen is terrifying

[@timotheeponzo3516]

Amazing videos as always! I was just wondering if you would be doing the same battle but with you in the f-15 and longshot in the f-16? Have an awesome day either way because i know you made mine 😁

[@ktwei]

There was a B1R concept to be a massive missile truck but that never came to be.

[@donaldgorden8383]

GS, they did a concept of a 747 missile truck, BTW still waiting on Me 262 vs F86 dude, get on the stick.

[@ChalcedonXXX]

Well played, Longshot!

[@imnotacannibal]

I would really like to see you in the f-15EX I think it’s a wonderful plane and it would be amazing to see your perspective on it

[@jikemenkins7098]

Hey buddy... I understand the crank, I understand the gimbal limit. What do you look at to reference your gimbal limit? Do you have to manually look at your heading and just crank X number of degrees on the compass? Or does the radar scope give you the info somehow?

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

hey man, you just put the contact on the far edge of your scope, in this case I'm looking at the MFD and just putting him at the edge of it and holding him there. thats the gimbal limit of my radar.

[@alenava6088]

As i remember the idea is that the B-1b would become a semi stealth "missile truck" for the F-22 /F-35a

[@stinkyfungus]

Donno about using a C130 as a missile truck, but what I DO know one concept purposed was the B1-R Take a B1 bomber, upgrade its engines with 4 prat and whitney F119s (that's the same engine that the F22 and F35 uses) and give it back a mach 2+ top speed Give it an AESA radar, data link, etc. And pack it to the gills with AMRAAMs. Like dozens and dozens of them. And then have it orbit around a battle space and sling thunderbolts at whatever the F35s think needs to die.

[@eLECHtricity]

What would I have to do to get you two in coms together while dogfighting? The banter and mindgames would be epic!

[@dsdy1205]

GS has a 2 morons playlist that includes some 1v1 videos, worth a watch

[@feetpiece_704]

IIRC an MQ-9 has a payload capacity large enough for 6 or 8 AIM-120's. A half dozen or so would be a significant A2AD force multiplier for TW.

[@cj41079]

"it probably hit the building, anyway" 🤣🤣🤣

[@jakerubino3233]

Have you tried banging the top of the radar or adjusting the rabbit ears on the F-16? Always seems to work 😂

[@skibum1610]

I remember watching a history channel dog fights of the future and they had a B1 bomber loaded with AMRAAMs seemed like a sweet idea just not maneuverable

[@neogenmatrix6162]

They have thought about the super missile truck. The B-1R missile truck. Giving back the B-1's high altitude mach 2.2 speed and 40 ammrams on 2 rotating launchers.

[@PeekInsideEverytime]

Hi GS, I’ve heard you talked about the downwards spiral dogfight shouldn’t out of burner, could you explain about it? Because cut the throttle/out of burner/put the brake at downward maneuver to make opponent overshoot make more sense to me. I guess keep the burner on makes the aircraft having energy to lift the nose up faster than the slower enemy?

[@aarontheaviationaddict3643]

Burner is kept on to maximize aircraft performance. No burner means less energy. Less energy means poor performance. Poor performance means you die.

[@Happyland_Motel_Gamer_Cat]

F-15 Eagle is a beast in the sky.

[@dongypooh]

Oh boy, 'Missile Taxi' vs. 'Missile Bus'.

[@Wokefolksuck]

I would like to see f -35 vs su - 35 in a bvr engagement????? Please?

[@rohesilmnelohe]

Aaah... return of the 5ex eagle :D

[@HandFromCoffin]

I still lol when I hear that the EX is "just a missile truck" ya.. just a truck.. that's also has a kill ratio of 104 to 0 and is still one of the most deadly aircraft in the sky bar none.

[@ISAFSoldier]

Slight correction, it has the pedigree of the most lethal fighter in history ;) also, everything its older brother can do...apparently, the EX can do better with better controls, avionics, RADAR, etc.

[@fuciguma2886]

yes they did it, americans did put sidewinder I believe on ac130, look on your discord #media there should be a pic from a few days ago

[@bananomet4052]

Lol imagine a death star AC130 loaded with 200x AIM120 just dishing out punishment. Actually scratch that, sounds pretty expensive.

[@xander395]

too slow... it'd be the fat kid behind all the sprinters. Thats why F-15 (they were thinking B-1 for awhile...)

[@vhira]

Can we see a BVR combat with the fat amy or the F35 lightning II please 🙏🏻

[@vhira]

@@RW-zn8vy yeah I know. That’s what I wanna see

[@Baptistbowhunter]

You should do a dogfight in the F15EX against the f16. ID like to see that

[@The_Original_Brad_Miller]

Great explanation of the MAR and the tactics leading up to it.

[@jarraandyftm]

F-1 Sex Eagle is the best name for a fighter, ever!

[@calneigbauer7542]

The did with the b-51 and the b-1 was talked about as a giant missile holder for the f-22

[@leonswan6733]

B-52 The XB-51 tri-engine proposal did not past the one or two prototypes.

[@AdalbertSchneider_]

Turns out, 12 AMRAMs > 6 AMRAMs 😎 And ❤ for the Eagle. UA cannt wait for them...

[@JEJAK5396]

United Airlines?

[@spacemoai]

"We're going for the marge" "but you said earlier he carries 12 AMRAAMs" "We're going for the marge"

[@omarhossam789]

GS what are your opinions on the YF-23 and do you think it was the better ATF or the YF-22?

[@swampfox8030]

Using more traditional platforms (pre-2000), which platform would you use in a blind fight?

[@dpandajr.1009]

Yo GS I’ve never seen you do a bvr witn the F4 phantom will you ever try to use it?

[@mobius7089]

It doesn't exist

[@starbomber]

2:25 AFAIK there was no plan to put AMRAMs onto a C-130.... *however* They did mess around with the idea of getting cargo planes to launch cruise or ballistic missiles from mid-air.

[@jamiegable964]

Wonder does the EX have a Helmet mounted sight I would think Boeing would’ve added that feature

[@jameshancock1528]

Watched this on the fourth of July GS: And now the missile probably hit those buildings.....just kidding **single firework explosion outside** GS: ...it probably hit those buildings, ANYWAY- the perfect timing killed me

[@noiwonttellyoumyname.4385]

A-6F is the AMRAAM truck you're looking for: it would have had an AESA and the ability to carry 24x AMRAAM, but.... thanks, Dick Cheney.