F-16C Viper Vs F-15 Eagle Dogfight | Digital Combat Simulator | DCS |

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Check out the Merch Store: growling-sidewinder.creator-spring.com APEX Gaming PCs: apexgamingpcs.com/products/growling-sidewinder Thank you for watching guys, I hope you enjoyed the video, we've started a few phase of practicing some Viper BFM, lots of learn here so we'll have plenty to cover in the future, thank you again for watching and I'll you in the next one, Much Love.

[@vishalchiluka3102]

Su 30 mki vs j-10c

[@vishalchiluka3102]

Su 30 mki vs j-10c

[@프레디khjfreddy]

Great one as always man! Can I get the name of the outro song please?

[@senghweepoh7194]

X

[@joelkist1]

If your up for possible suggestions? I wouldn’t mind seeing you guys swap seats maybe every round! Love the content bro keep up the great vids!

[@0BuLLeT01]

I would love to see role reversal in these vids. Two rounds in each aircraft, just to show how the problem might be solved by the other party.

[@salutarydreams520]

this

[@thatguy4828]

that

[@TyinAlaska]

Exactly

[@RDR911]

@@thatguy4828 the other

[@TJ-bk9vf]

He did talk about this in another video. He said often times the other guy might not own the other aircraft or if he does own it he might not be as proficient in it as the other one.

[@timsullivan4566]

The take-off sequences were SO cool looking! (and I shouldn't forget to toss out an honourable mention to the clouds - gorgeous graphics!)

[@renatoigmed]

the simulator demands heavy graphics processing even using an RTX 3080 it hiccups to render these clouds in high quality

[@Prodagist]

@@renatoigmed What're you talking about, I'm running a 3060 Ti and It runs like absolute butter on completely maxed graphics

[@The_Original_Brad_Miller]

I've noticed that you most often fight a different aggressor aircraft that what you're flying. I think it'd be interesting to see some same aircraft battles, f-16 vs f-16 (different countries for example). You're very good at knowing the strong points and weaknesses of the opposing aircraft, but how good are you when you're fighting the same airframe and thus eliminating some of the advantages. :{)

[@lilgrime8913]

I would love to see this

[@Asghaad]

i would be more interested in him flying planes that do NOT have ratefight advantage against good ratefighters, to show us how to deal with them with caveat of the opponent having to be good enough not to fall for obvious stuff like offset twocircle.

[@faqirmohammadabdullah2906]

He has done some of that before

[@Asghaad]

@@faqirmohammadabdullah2906 some yes, but when you compare his backlog of dogfights he is 95%+ sitting in the "ratefighter" or fighting another one circle fighter, only extremely rarely we see him go with onecircle fighter against two circle fighter and even if we get one its always agaisnt a pilot that isnt on his level - he just uses offset twocircle to win rather easily. it would be nice to see him more often in lets say Mirage, Hornet or his recently claimed favourite MiG-29 going up against F-16 and F-14 because im kinda getting tired of dogfights consisting of him autowinning the moment he is able to drag the other guy to the deck simply because he is in the two circle dominant aircraft all the time. Its too predictable and unexciting.

[@The_Original_Brad_Miller]

@@Asghaad I think we're going at the same target from different angles. I agree with you, that's why I suggested the same same airframe battle, so he doesn't have an advantage knowing the other planes weaknesses.

[@truthseeker9454]

One of the benefits of you producing videos in the Viper is the unparalleled visibility. No canopy obstructions whatsoever. Love it!

[@sigis72]

Love seeing your Viper videos, it's what I chose to fly in DCS. It's such a beautiful aircraft, extremely innovative for it's time, it's easy to see why it's the most popular fighter in the world and also such a popular module. I couldn't resist the all glass canopy, that and the thrust-to-weight ratio gives you a sense of freedom that I don't think any other module does. It dances in the sky effortlessly like a flying motorcycle

[@connie.shearer5210]

Geeeze! How I hate seeing anything shoot down my beloved F-15's, but I guess you've gotta realize that any fighter aircraft has vulnerabilities, and if you live long enough, and through enough encounters to learn what they are, you can defeat even the best. By the way, I love your narrations and learn so much from them, and I LOVE your voice! ;-)

[@renatoigmed]

me too. I'm wondering what the eagle pilot's skill is if it's at the level of the GS

[@0BuLLeT01]

@@renatoigmed Doubtful looking at the shots he tried.

[@zmethod7294]

@@renatoigmed I think they should swap planes every time there is a new round

[@aldenpittinger4162]

And it’s strong point is BVR and it’s the king at it.

[@WillM38]

@@aldenpittinger4162 good thing these are both on the same side! Let the Eagles soar and knock down targets at range and send in the 16's to snack on the scattered remains

[@RaderizDorret]

The Viper has "relaxed stability" to help it be so agile. So if you lose a control surface, you're pretty much SOL since the plane will be impossible to keep in any kind of controlled flight envelope.

[@huntermurphy2148]

To be fair, if youve lost a control surface you've probably got more problems than you can solve at that point

[@ovisteaua9191]

Very intersting i think it wasn't design to take any kind if punishment, since its such a dominant air to air fighter.

[@ovisteaua9191]

BRUTAL kill anyway for the f15

[@RaderizDorret]

@@ovisteaua9191 The amount of armor required to significantly protect planes from the kinds of weapons they'll be facing would make the planes all but useless in air to air fights. Even the A-10's armor is only proof against 23mm and that is for the cockpit of a CAS platform, not a fighter.

[@JG54206]

Well for comparison the F-15 has been landed with one wing completely missing.

[@Belgianbanshee]

The view as a pilot out of that bubble canopy in the Falcon is incredible!

[@espritdelescalier1244]

Your videos make me want to get into DCS. I've been playing Sturmovick since the first release and was an energy fighter like you. I did not realize these principles survived into the jet age so well. You seem to be an expert at it. I eventually got so good at it I would intentionally allow enemies to pull behind me in an idea kill position and control relative speed to get behind them without a turn fight. As they approached I would turn gradually to the right to lure them in behind me and throttle down allowing them to get in close for the kill. Then I would spoil their shot by rolling to the right 90 degrees and nose down sharply for a convex left turn. Only an expert can hit an aircraft in this path because the target motion is opposite to the point at which you would normally lead the shot. Simultaneously I would throttle up hard to even speed ending up directly behind them for the kill. I can't tell you now many planes I downed using this technique.

[@VulcanM61]

Il2 is good but dcs is next level,F16C is my main and it is so satisfying

[@hawk2222]

Maby you could start a series or mini series of how to dogfight. Even as just tips, say what to be aware of in or against different planes. Of course pure theory cant teach you how to fly but without theory you cant do anything. You're great pilot with much knowledge and such fantastic voice. And I bet that lot's of people would love to see that series

[@vortex6818]

Some tips: 1. Try not to be greedy. Pulling HUD BFM only bleeds your energy, and if you didnt hit him then you just put yourself in a disadvantage. (But at the same time dont play around, when you get the chance to kill your opponent, do it) 2. Situational awareness. Cant kill something you can see 3. Know what are the strengths and weaknesses of your aircraft, and your opponent's aircraft

[@greatgandalf5233]

I fought F-16s in real life. I flew A6Es Intruders and we had one Magic Turn then we are our of energy and become a grape 🍇! Nothing out turns a F-16. They are small and hard to keep your eyes on them. You can't fight what you can't see!

[@emanuelparedes9187]

Crazy how when he said "look at this eagle" and closed that gap between the eagle and him I really got the sense of a predator focusing in on his pray.

[@nickgrey4136]

Great to see you really excelling in the Viper. Many thanks GS. Kind regards, Nick

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Thank you Nick, I appreciate you commenting.

[@dystopianlucidity4448]

I really like the take off and landings, when we get them. It’s like bookends. Great vids as always!

[@Ilke2gofst]

Loving all of the videos lately! Keep ‘em coming.

[@jordanleach7370]

Love the Sioux City tail flash. Used to be on their F-16s until the unit switched airframes to 135s. We used to have a jet tail #57-2607 that we painted with the old tail flash for the unit's anniversary until it was sent to the boneyard☹️

[@jtffbison79thfs27]

Thank you for showing the Viper some love in BFM !!

[@briandp0560]

Woke up this morning and found this GS video waiting for me, F16 vs F15😍. Great start for my day. Thank you.

[@David-ny7sx]

Loved seeing my hometown Air Guard markings on the F-16! Bats!

[@fatmarlin4674]

Every video I watch just makes me want to build a flight computer just to play this game.

[@Hustler9g]

Do it

[@paulwilson4369]

Do i like longer videos? Dude I could watch you fly all afternoon.

[@cdubb444]

I used to work around F16 out of Luke AFB and that taxi start with full AB take of was exquisite! Brought back the best memories out of there

[@Idk_man_3]

I love the longer videos thank you! :D

[@jacob_be_ez2374]

Hey GS I really enjoy your content and especially your bvr content I think this is all really entertaining keep up the good work. Thank you buddy

[@olliehallmark238]

i love this, every time he messes up he calls himself out. Humble af.

[@binsty]

Super underrated man, keep up the great work!

[@TinfoilHatWearer]

I like it better when you switch planes every other round.. Or every round. Just to get contrast and perspective.. What it's really like to have the Viper hunting you down.

[@hoisin_sauce]

I've noticed they've added tracers to the F16 so you can finally walk your shots onto the target instead of the usual spray and pray

[@iceman27406]

The only place the F15 has lost an air to air battle is in video games.

[@jacobusstefanuspotgieter1332]

I liked the change of camouflage in every battle.

[@markodjordjevic7978]

I have been waiting for this one for soooo long

[@urosmojsilovic6628]

Me too haha

[@CtRex7567]

Sheeeh, loving all these vids! Keep ‘em up!

[@kenhelmers2603]

Luv both those jets, Thanks GS

[@JTACRIFLE]

LOL "look at the scenery". NO! Fight the plane. Great video as always. For some reason I just want the F18 to be dominant in this space. I'm getting professional help for my challenges. Thanks again, great video.

[@man-o-war1685]

Like you said for the f22 and f35, they are almost never going against each other, instead they fight together and that makes them impossible to beat

[@nomar5spaulding]

Are you guys fighting over Jebel Ali Port in the UAE? About 2:40 while you were looking at the ground it looked like the container terminal at Jebel Ali.

[@konforzone]

F16s engine so strong 1:00 that my resolution dropped.

[@piotrgromadzki1806]

As always - top class video 👏😊 and flying skills of course 😉

[@Steve-yr5vi]

Interesting fight, based on this, it would seem an F15 pilot out avoid going to the deck against an F16 at all costs. I once heard an F15 pilot make the statement "an F15 literally has 2x the control surface area of an F16, of course it can out maneuver one". Perhaps what I missed was the qualification "at sufficient altitude".

[@dsdy1205]

15 pilot must have left out the fact that it's also nearly twice the weight, lol

[@beetlusjuicus4013]

@@dsdy1205might be twice the weight but also has twice the power baby🦅🦅

[@barrylucas3830]

I've never seen another aircraft bleed vapor the way a Viper does

[@gamingandtechnology6913]

16 has unparalleled visibility..... IMO

[@ghostrider1827]

Yea it does...

[@WolfHowl71]

I think you should start doing 2 on 2 dog fights. That would be interesting.

[@stinkyfungus]

Nice touch changing your skin/camo every round... Its the amazing technicolor viper!

[@garyodle5663]

For the first engagement the F-16 is from the Iowa ANG stationed at Sioux City, Iowa. Good to see you using an ANG fighter. Looks like the second and third engagements had the F-16 from Elmendorf AFB, Alaska.

[@johnhermann7498]

Great Demonstration fight between Viper and the Eagle... I love the longer videos (maybe because I'm old and my attention span is a bit longer than the current generation. ;) ). Minor note: I really liked how you changed livery between fights. One of my favorite aspects of the game is the varied color schemes available for the aircraft. Thanks, yet again, for a fantastic video!

[@timcastle165]

I had a chance to get a ride in the back seat of an F-16 before I retired from the USAF and man what a ride it was!!!!!!!!🇺🇸

[@theamericancommie727]

By any chance can someone tell me what song GS uses during tacview? I like it a lot man really feels like two pilots dueling it out for life and death, and for a chance to see their families again.

[@glsracer]

Have they fixed the low speed maneuverability issues? I've been flying the M2000C while they fix the flight model on the F-16. Also, any word on if they are going to nerf the JF-17? There's some serious nation building going on with that plane.

[@romeovictor6223]

And the viper is _still_ currently underperforming in DCS. I almost scared to say that it will be *too* good when it gets its 9G sustained rate performance on the deck.

[@varunmenon1246]

Where can I find your soundtrack? They are really good

[@gurukn]

6:05 THAT is why the Viper is not "easy mode" unlike a Hornet, for example.

[@auqanova]

The viper is easy mode for bvr, the rest of the plane is average difficulty mostly The opposite is true for the hornet, where dogfighting is easy mode, and bvr is not. I know everybody loves the rhetoric of "my vehicle takes skill, unlike the other guy's" but it really is a thing of trade offs, and the only time that idea ever actually has truth to it, is if you're fighting to a generational disadvantage(say you're flying around in a mig 21 while they're an f16 or something)

[@gurukn]

@@auqanova You do have a point...

[@sydneyACE]

Would love to see an F-15 Bandit Unknown video!!

[@kingviper3444]

Today I saw an a10 2 p51s and an f16 flying in formation, it was amazing

[@bri-manhunter2654]

Keep the long videos coming sir!

[@CaptianJoseph]

Eagle is super dangerous in aggressive playstyle, seen people end dogfights after first merge almost continuously

[@Airzz-ok5sj]

Hey, I would love to see you do a playlist of the F-16 and how to use it. Teach new people I feel like that would be great

[@avramnovorra]

it's wild sometimes that a kill can be as simple as losing a control surface like what happened in round 3, and not necessarily setting the target on fire.. but is differential thrust something that modern gaming throttles can allow for? dont have the set up needed to play the game myself see

[@cuabcomstad]

Thank you for the longer videos

[@datfeeshboi9526]

If you are looking at this vid to see the performance of the Viper, it is just getting better and better through the updates I love this thing and I regret nothing

[@Andro.d]

Everytime I see an F-16, I always think of a smiling cartoon...

[@n.s.3410]

round three .. ya had some moments of opportunity to break off. Great content again though. more please :)

[@markdavis4318]

Just wondering… I’ve heard you say before that the F-16 is called Viper and not Falcon, but growing up in an Air Force town in the 70s and 80s I always heard it referred to as Falcon. And even Lockheed Martin website refers to it as Falcon. I know this isn’t a big deal, I’m just curious as to the multiple names of the plane. Love your videos! Takes me back to when I was a kid watching these planes fly over every day, and seeing the occasional dog fight training.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Hi Mark, its official name is the "fighting falcon" but its nickname is the viper, the way the A10 is nicknamed the Warthog instead of the Thunderbolt II.

[@markdavis4318]

@@GrowlingSidewinder Gotcha! Thanks!

[@reway8750]

The Block 72 is officially called the Viper, F-16V

[@mantisushi]

Did nobody notice the eagle at 11:15 how the body was generating lift and kept the wingless bird flying for a second?

[@nishadshirodkar6091]

damn that THHHRRRUUUST in the scenic intro take off , niccce

[@nishadshirodkar6091]

ooo the first round one circle f 16 belly , nice shot !

[@eb3yr]

Just been rewatching some of your old videos. May I suggest an F-22 VS Harrier fight? Battle of the BS fighters

[@dansnow7374]

It was neat to see you use the Iowa ANG “Bats” paint scheme.

[@ChickentNug]

I'd love to see an Mi-24 vs A-10, if you ever need any ideas. Haha

[@slickninjadude9165]

F16 vs F22 next???

[@thusharikabotheju5655]

Yay thank you so sooooo much GS

[@mylescyrus4992]

The F-16 is just the superior fighter. Despite that, they are both spectacular fighters.

[@1ch0r41]

Not exactly, F-15 exceeds the f-16 in BVR, speed, and ground attack capability.

[@conservativemike3768]

The VR visual badassery is enthralling.

[@l8knight845]

He's playing with Track IR in these scenes.

[@dieyproductions4403]

Can you do a video utilizing the differential thrust of F-15 that you mentioned in the video? Or maybe you already have and I have missed it?

[@rdak4943]

i like the last round,, you had the Alaskan f 16 arctic paint job,, Ak49!! cheers

[@ArcFire_Fox]

I have a bit of a question just out of curiosity, how are the damage models overall ? Are they tailored to each aircraft or standardized between all models ?

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Damage is reflected on which part of the aircraft is hit, and it’s aircraft specific.

[@ArcFire_Fox]

@@GrowlingSidewinder cool thanks, always thought details like that are really neat

[@ArcFire_Fox]

@@timothybayliss6680 I seee, from what little I do know the game sure has come a long way

[@sgt.grinch3299]

Excellent video. You make killing the top predator look easy.

[@mikoajlewandowski8590]

I would love a f-16 vs f/a-18 bvr video. I just can't beat my friend in the hornet with the viper and i think i might learn something watching your vid. (as always)

[@jakethesteak839]

Can't wait to fly the Viper

[@mudgem3742]

it looked like you wanted him to save some face by going 1 circle. :-)

[@randallfox879]

Question,,, How long do you believe it would take a Fully experienced MIG29 Pilot to transition to F16 or F18 or any other current NATO Fighter

[@Sgt_Bilko]

The thing about planes these days is they aren’t all about stick and rudder skills. It’s about systems integration and leveraging strengths through matched tactics. It wouldn’t take the full 2 years, but 6-12 months for basic capability is potentially realistic.

[@William3000x]

That last kill shows perfectly why a dogfight over a city would be a tragic incident, no matter who wins or what result it gets. The risk of having the remains of a dead aircraft falling over a house and killing innocent civilians is enormous. And it's not only the aircraft body that puts peoples lives at risk. Every single bullet you miss when trying to snap shot the opponent, is one potential death risk for the people down there. That's one aspect of air combat simulations that we, unfortunately, rarely see or discuss. There's this human factor (which I don't even know how to name it) involved in defending a city - or a country - against invaders and the risk the defender ends up putting over peoples lives when trying to defend them. Would it be possible, in a situation like this, to at least try to drag the dogfight outside the urban airspace? I understand that the defender must fight whenever he/she is at the moment a fight like that starts, but I often catch myself asking these questions when I watch a simulated dogfight, or even when I'm dogfighting in DCS. How would a pilot react to that situation in real life? What other aspects would they have to consider prior to committing to a dogfight?

[@man-o-war1685]

But to be honest as long as the birds are on my side I could care less

[@tubingview3251]

In Round 2 the F-15 was going for a very late debris kill.

[@grantgeronimo2767]

flare drops to the beat of the music. nice

[@Ubernator]

No G effects? Sustaining 9 G's for more than a few seconds causes the pilot to block out lol

[@Mike_Romeo]

It was deactivated yes but fighter pilots are trained to withstand high G's and also have anti-G suits

[@KaneGregory]

The mighty F15 never lost a fight because it never had to fight a F16!🤯🔫✈️

[@ronjon7942]

Growling, new to this - can you go into the fundamentals as to why the Eagle is superior in the 1-circle, but disadvantaged in the 2?

[@thefolder69]

generally, because the F-15 has larger control surfaces that generate greater lift for instantaneous turn, which is what you need in a 1-circle, but the F-16 has a greater thrust-to-weight ratio which gives it a very fast sustained turn rate, which is needed for a 2-circle rate fight.

[@disabledcamperhardnocks8068]

Another awesome video, do you have access to experimental aircraft like f23 or f20?

[@atamagashock]

I get to see f16s flying everyday! Just two days ago I was 500ft from a pair taking off

[@devarm]

Damn viper is more of a rocket with a seat

[@Mohab7274]

We need more BVR videos man.

[@stinkyfungus]

I haven't seen you fly the '16 for a while, BVR or otherwise. Is it still overperforming in BVR?

[@beng7844]

You have a discount code for modules? Awesome man, hope it takes in some profits for the channel

[@Mohab7274]

I recommend you use the Saudi Arabian F-15 Strike Eagle🇸🇦 It's the best version of all the F-15s out there. Except for the F-15EX and F-15QA but I don't think those are operational yet.

[@foxrexproductions1857]

Great way to start today

[@Lightning206]

Heard they were updating the f-16 irl

[@RagsHSC-7]

Absolutely correct as you are a great pilot in the tomcat being in the seat continuously such as our military pilots in the USA. Although many have flown various other aircraft for years. Let’s say there is F-18 Super hornet now for 2 years straight ! If they were to get in one of their previous Aircrafts it would take a reacclimate themselves to it with more seat time again. Pick your weapon and stay in it whichever one it is that makes you happy and brings joy to your day ✨🦅✨ never sweat the bogey because now you have the skills to bring the best attributes out of your Aircraft ! Ty. Also as a real Hilo pilot can’t wait to get the advanced for the Apache. The best private Hilo bar none is the Notar. Thank you so very much for your time and effort and your channel it is obviously A passion for you as it is for myself. Wish you well on your journey with many many victories God bless ✨🕊✨

[@grizzly4736]

So the secret to the gun funnel. Getting your bandit anywhere in the funnel for an effective hit or do they need to be at the bottom of it? I struggle with my gunnery in the Viper.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

if you have him locked the funnel will give you a fire solution in the form of a dot, if you don't have him locked start at the top of the funnel and drag your bandit thru the funnel top to bottom holding the trigger down.

[@grizzly4736]

@@GrowlingSidewinder Thank you. I will practice with this.

[@garyhendershot9153]

Flag on the play! Excessive celebration after the last round... Great video. Man you are annoyingly patient. Just wait for the other guy to make a mistake.. and wham.

[@willhound2]

What are the benefits of not having tracer rounds?

[@nadineblachetta3202]

I just realized the controlpanel movements are not rendered there.....Is that some graphic setting or the offboard camera?