Please tell me that the F-16C you fox-2 at 3:48 was a paid actor, i can't believe i saw a F-16 lose a fight to an F4
@TimsVariety3 ай бұрын
No, that was a legit rate fight ... I was absolutely stunned that he didn't just rek me at any one of a dozen points there, and knew I had to include it. My teammate showing up at the end and distracting him for a second was all it took. My best guess is a stock (or near stock) jet with a non-upgraded pilot who couldn't take the Gs.
@WParcival3 ай бұрын
@@TimsVariety it was really cool to see, and a really nice video Tim, great job!
@Space_Racer3 ай бұрын
I was about to scream at my computer. That has to be the worse F-16 Pilot I have ever seen.
@kampfsau99973 ай бұрын
This fight was honestly painfull to watch
@TimsVariety3 ай бұрын
@@kampfsau9997 Trainwreck. In the moment, all was thinking was ".. is this actually happening?"
@Rynnakkosampyla3 ай бұрын
The happy little face on the tail makes up for any short comings of this jet. He's just so happy to be there.
@TimsVariety3 ай бұрын
Spamraams flying everywhere, ran out of countermeasures, half the plane is red, low on ammo .. but its all good, he's just flyin' along nice and happy! :-)
@HUGGIESroxFace3 ай бұрын
From a historical POV, I'm very happy to see the F-4F ICE in WT... however putting the AIM-120 at the very bottom of the Vehicle Mod Research without any FOX-1 supplements was a wicked oversight from Gaijin, IMO. Here's an airframe from the '70s that only gets slightly improved AIM-9Ls against jets that get higher tier FOX-1s stock... This was a very painful grind. AIM-120s should have been a Tier 1 or 2 unlock for this given it's limitations.
@TakenWithout3 ай бұрын
Ah you see if they make the grind impossible, more people spend money on GE to buy mods
@soldat88hun3 ай бұрын
Feedback about this has been give for years, modules locked/unlocked should change BR, I could see some planes go more than a whole BR down, but even just a slight decrease would help a lot.
@major_kukri24303 ай бұрын
So it's essentially unplayable while stock.
@TakenWithout3 ай бұрын
@@major_kukri2430 I mean without AMRAAM it’s basically a Kurnass 2000 which is a whole br lower
@major_kukri24303 ай бұрын
Yeah. But the kurnass doesn't have to fight fox 3s. At least in sim where I play
@major_kukri24303 ай бұрын
It actually gets an accurate phantom cockpit
@majiceight8all5893 ай бұрын
Thank you for another great review! Phantom phanatics will know how to get the phull potential phrom this phantastic airphrame. (Even though it still retains the LCOSS gunsight and nothing more modern - which is a disadvantage for Sim play).
@onezerotwo2 ай бұрын
watching you circle with the F-16 literally caused me actual physical discomfort it was like human centipede or saw or something
@Вольфрамище3 ай бұрын
ooh, waited for that plane for a very long time! But it's still last in my grind list for now ) Pretty good geman pronounciation, btw!
@volatile54603 ай бұрын
Oh my god that utterly clueless F-16 at the 3 minute mark 😭😭😭😭 Bro does NOT know his capabilities
@oompa32683 ай бұрын
ikr it literally hurt my soul to watch
@wrongoloid47493 ай бұрын
I really like your videos tim.
@NightRye_3 ай бұрын
21 views in 2 minutes, bro is getting good, quality review as usual
@Squeaky_Ben2 ай бұрын
You know, we could have turned this thing into a german Kurnass 2000 or F-4EJ Kai, but no, Gaijin just had to say "fuck you, you get nothing"
@ninjax49093 ай бұрын
Tim, will you do a video on the AMX-A1?
@TimsVariety3 ай бұрын
I'll get to it eventually, but as far as I can tell its almost identical to the tech tree AMX, which I covered somewhat recently.
@nigelwigglwattle3 ай бұрын
The MAA-1 Piranha is a hilarious missile although sometimes it's not very effective
@ninjax49093 ай бұрын
It's got funny missiles
@MJA-03303 ай бұрын
Would love to see you review the R2Y2 planes all three of them
@TimsVariety3 ай бұрын
kzbin.info/www/bejne/mqrIiKulpbCfq9E
@thesaltyone11302 ай бұрын
Am surprised that the German mig-29g don’t have the upgraded R-77
@AJ_on_One12 ай бұрын
German migs cant carry r77s nor were they ever supplied to Germany
@luuk341Ай бұрын
@@AJ_on_One1 The F5C never had flares but in game it has 60 of them. Gaijin could have bent history a little bit to help out German air mains but they simply hate us so they didnt.
@Eeliosis3 ай бұрын
The HEAT warheads in the 65D got a bug buff they should one shot a lot more consistent now
@TimsVariety3 ай бұрын
I haven't noticed any difference personally. I landed 2 Ds in preparing this review, neither got a kill. All 4 G's I landed got 1shot kills. **shrugs**
@Eeliosis3 ай бұрын
@@TimsVariety I’ll try and look more into but they’ve been consistent for me so far 😅
@erice.95143 ай бұрын
First Vehicke that will get ECM pod next update after gaijin farmed enough cash from the grind of fox3. At least that what I think will happen.
@TimsVariety3 ай бұрын
Yeah I'm strongly suspecting ECM is coming this year.
@breecegriffith58963 ай бұрын
I haven’t played War Thunder in a year or two, give or take. Is it still the same the last time I played it, Real Shatter and Br Compression mechanics included?
@the_realpapajohn3 ай бұрын
realshitter is much less of an issue and they did a teeny tiny bit of decompression but (like every update post 2016) top tier is worse
@yamatokurusaki57903 ай бұрын
I hate how they made the Agile Eagle bound to flaps when it was automatic before
@luuk341Ай бұрын
It's still automatic as well. You can just force the slats to deploy with combat flaps
@yamatokurusaki5790Ай бұрын
@@luuk341 it not automatic .. at least not anymore or it doesn't work on the F4 i have ?
@broadsword_1325Ай бұрын
well, we need eurofighter typhoon for german ASAP
@explosivecommando9100Ай бұрын
no we do not.
@BryanYowell3 ай бұрын
I got it and had a match 5 kills no deaths in a dogfight it’s fucked but if your smart with the fox3s your balling
@luuk341Ай бұрын
statistical anomaly. Well done though
@zeta46873 ай бұрын
but until you stock grind out the amraam you're not going to have a single bit of fun
@thedarkartist36353 ай бұрын
You wanna know the best part of this aircraft? I’m 90% sure that gaijin is gonna put a second one after this one as a „F-4F ICE Late“ variant as a stopgap between this and the Eurofighter Typhoon ☠️☠️☠️
@TimsVariety3 ай бұрын
.. don't give them any ideas ..
@thedarkartist36353 ай бұрын
@@TimsVariety I really don’t want to, but that’s what I honestly believe, since not only is it some weird designation instead of just „F-4F ICE“, but also because it’s so incredibly bad and there’s not much else before the Typhoon
@luuk3413 ай бұрын
What would this "Late" add? As far as I know this is the latest and greatest of the German F4F
@jfv23123 ай бұрын
@@luuk341 Exactly my thoughts... Literally the only thing this one is missing are the IRIS-T missiles, and those were just tested on the Phantom, never used operationally, and also never used together with a HMD either
@collander77663 ай бұрын
There’s nothing else they could give it so… probably not
@luguicalaca3 ай бұрын
I can´t unseen the happy face in the F-4 tail.
@TimsVariety3 ай бұрын
You're welcome.
@Squood3 ай бұрын
I’m praying they give us the Swiss F-18, but given that the Swiss Hunter is a squadron jet, it’s gonna be Germany’s top tier premium.
@nick47543 ай бұрын
Nien you get the brick with fox 3's until they add the euro fighter
@jfv23123 ай бұрын
Other good options for top tier premiums would be a Greek F-4E Icarus 2000 (upgrade made in Germany), a Polish MiG-29G (would go nicely with the Leo 2PL) or a Luftwaffe-tested F-16 or F-20 (they flew them extensively in the mid 80s for testing). I like to think the Swiss stuff will be mainly added in the main tree (2 lines of the german air tree are very empty from tier 5 onwards) or, if anything, event rewards
@danaolsongaming3 ай бұрын
The F/A-18 will be disgusting. 10 Spamraams in War Thunder is gonna be a real feelsbadman
@Alex-gu2yp3 ай бұрын
I think the f20 that germany tested will be the 12.0 premium
@major_kukri24303 ай бұрын
Nice pfp
@GooberD3 ай бұрын
Just a small note, they massively buffed mavericks with HEAT along side the hellfire, the D has comparable or better killing power than the G now. Zenturion7 has a great video on it. I have been informed this was a dev server only change, a sad day for all.
@TimsVariety3 ай бұрын
I haven't personally noticed any difference. In testing it for this review, I scored 2 direct hits with the D (one on some italian centaro thing, and another on an MBT), only one was a crit and neither pop'ed the target. All 4 G's that I connected with were 1 hit kills, 2 MBTs, 1 LT, 1 SPAA.
@GooberD3 ай бұрын
@@TimsVariety Huh, maybe they changed it since dev
@coloneljason90943 ай бұрын
@@GooberDthey reverted the changes.
@GooberD3 ай бұрын
@@coloneljason9094 Damn, that sucks
@Alextz_Gr3 ай бұрын
@@coloneljason9094 they actually didnt? Its on the changelog for the update. And yes they have been massivle buffed. Maybe tims just didnt test enough and he was unlucky with those 2. 65G might still be a little better but on some planes like the f-16 were you have to choose between 3 65d or 1 65g, then the d is the obvious choice
@the_chrisgamer99343 ай бұрын
These things flew for so long in Germany that it's unbelievable, but it was liked by the pilots. Fun note, the f4 were called "Luftverteidigungsdiesel" (air defense diesel) due to their notable exhaust spewing black smoke.😅
@Hadgerz3 ай бұрын
if ever there was a case for tying BRs to weapon loadouts, it's this patch. Wish we could take these new planes out to stock grind them without having to see fox3s if we could so choose
@gabrielabreu52003 ай бұрын
There is something going for the ICE, right now its the best plane in the game for Air Assault Arcade
@Squeaky_Ben2 ай бұрын
That will be the ONLY saving grace when I unlock it eventually because that way I can at least get some RP without constantly getting punched in the nuts.
@bigbison65933 ай бұрын
phantom........ I am happy the happy face go brrrrrrr
@gansior47443 ай бұрын
We are getting closer to Typhoon and Rafale, which will be absolutely crazy
@colbymcdowell20453 ай бұрын
Still can’t get over the smiley face at the back of the F-4 lol
@LostSoul63643 ай бұрын
You're like the War Thunder Wiki, except you can actually say bad things about vehicles. Unlike Wiki creators.
@TimsVariety3 ай бұрын
I do my best to be fair.
@erice.95143 ай бұрын
Btw my two cents on what do when flying out the my beloved Phantom. I really focus on getting low, with turned off radar and fly on the flanks. Always having an eye on my RWR, not to get countered. Then I go in after the (in my opinion) idiotic Furball has wrecked booth teams in the center of the map. Go in on targets that are either in a dogfight or still flying high, I do some pop up attacks and in most cases they are either too fast or too close to evade the missile. Keep em locked for Datalink. Or I fly a bit further along the flanks and hit the people that dumped all their fox 3 missiles and are going RTB. While doing this I also attacked some runways with the Maverick G if there are already people who landed on the unprotected airbase. (people mostly do to safe time) If I see another F-4F ICE when the match starts, I sometimes try to guard them as wingman and fly in formation with them. Esp. when they are Stockgrinding and need protection, because phantom lovers have to stick together. That way you can split the attention of attacking targets or catch them offguard. Kill them before they kill your Buddy!
@sethcanning41703 ай бұрын
There are some vehicles that when they get you, you cant be mad about it. This is one of them
@KaguyasBeat3 ай бұрын
That smiley face honestly seems like a laughing face... laughing at anyone taking out this thing cuz it's seriously just miserable.
@Remarite3 ай бұрын
Man I Love Fantoms
@Alisevenn133 ай бұрын
💀
@cmdrTremyss3 ай бұрын
Total tryhard sweat mode... is there any other way to play this game?
@mathewtheis91393 ай бұрын
Still and always the best videos! Thanks again Tim.
@OneMoreDesu3 ай бұрын
Its good to see it coming to the game, though I think it should have come a patch or two earlier to give it some time in the sun.
@Tanks.With.Teeth.Malloy3 ай бұрын
My theory is sounding more and more likely after hearing about the real-world history. I think within the next couple patches we'll see the EFT be after this in the tech tree. It makes sense both logically and historical. Great video as always Tim!
@wapniak6663 ай бұрын
I mean there is literally nothing else to add to that tree and we know that typhoon is coming so you didn't exactly came up with some crazy theory lol
@Tanks.With.Teeth.Malloy3 ай бұрын
@@wapniak666 well the theory is that since GER got a dog water of a jet Germany is suffering for now. You are right but also I've seen no one talk about it. I'm talking about it 🤡
@wapniak6663 ай бұрын
@@Tanks.With.Teeth.Malloy what I don't follow How is that a theory? That's what happened We knew typhoon was coming since first 4th gens were released, plenty of people talked about that Again German has literally nothing else to add, they had f4 in service and then typhoon
@Tanks.With.Teeth.Malloy3 ай бұрын
@@wapniak666 I call it a theory because we are not 100% sure what the snail will do. Will they do that? Probably. Are we 100% sure it will happen? No. So that's why it's a theory. You are having issues with me calling it a theory... whatever you want to call it is fine. Jfc
@Tanks.With.Teeth.Malloy3 ай бұрын
@@wapniak666 I call it a theory because we are not 100% sure what the snail will do. Will it happen? Probably. Are we 100% sure? No. So if your only issue is I called it a theory then I'm sorry I called it that. Whatever you want to call it.
@skantilles753 ай бұрын
Not bad spelled Kampfwertsteigerung Luftverteidigung. ;)
@nick47543 ай бұрын
The f-4f ice if waking up on a Thursday morning was a jet
@ooFVenomous17 күн бұрын
Coming back to this video after some changes to Fox-3's and BRs and I can, 100%, say I wish i could sell the ICE. I would sell it back for 1 SL even. Its so much of a letdown that i partially expect it to get foldered with the F-4F Late and replaced by the Swiss F-18 (if Gaijin were smart.
@speaklesspoimore63273 ай бұрын
As ICE is finally released I think it's time for gaijin to rework the two old F-4Fs now. Their weight and weapons are completely wrong!
@johnvillegas52873 ай бұрын
F18 of the swiss in the german tech tree could help later
@7ThePrimagen2 ай бұрын
or a polish subtree if we really wanna push it it would kinda make historical sense,
@GenFalcon3 ай бұрын
DOA
@soldat88hun3 ай бұрын
6:50 doesn't really work when 9/10 games end with the first merge, especially now unfortunately the best advice for top tier is to not to play
@eyo87663 ай бұрын
6:55 This is the same fking advice that I say on reddit when you use the F4. I get downvoted or destroyed in the comments when I say this
@TimsVariety3 ай бұрын
Yeah ... sometimes the comment section on reddit can be very focused on a very narrow meta....
@luuk341Ай бұрын
I get what you are saying, but its just that that isnt what people want from a jet. The ICE always arrives last to a match anyway. Either YOUR entire team is dead, and you get 33612 radar missiles shot your way. OR the whole enemy team is dead and you do nothing. ARB is literally about killing other planes, yet the ICE is forced to play second fiddle. It sucks
@eyo8766Ай бұрын
@@luuk341 womp womp I guess. There's no getting around that aspect of the F4 unfortunately
@NeedAufName29 күн бұрын
Should I fire the Aim120A with TWs or TRK PD? Can you explain the difference pls?
@doctorothon3 ай бұрын
this is at 12.7 while a mig 21 with hmd, irccm, and insane radar missiles is at 11.7, insane
@BlackjackTheLad3 ай бұрын
@@doctorothon "Insane radar missile" might be overselling the R27R a tad
@doctorothon3 ай бұрын
@@BlackjackTheLad at 11.7 its insane, the thing can fight kfir canards and j35xs
@budekman3 ай бұрын
Medium flank the best part, while other dogfight others, this baby swoop with aim9l and 120 so easy and fast, while doing that i done 2 base destroy with ffar
@ViperFox_2 ай бұрын
Dear god that F-16c player might be the worst in history. There is no way in hell he lost that dogfight to this thing. Lmfao amazing clip
@RaodyOPS3 ай бұрын
I don’t get why gaijin couldn’t just give us the France/germany f16 and the f4f ice
@bagelmaster24983 ай бұрын
Final verdict, it’s not good at all but still semi useable due to how fox 3s work.
@octavian74613 ай бұрын
They literally could put it on 11.7-12.0 and it would be perfect
@the_jingo2 ай бұрын
It’s my new Flarakrad Hitting a-10 with aim120 is always fun
@PvtPartzz2 ай бұрын
I’m going to make this jet my best K/D rated jet just to spite everyone that hates on it :p already have it at 3.83k/d
@ianking.57213 ай бұрын
I hate when a plane is in multiple tech trees.. especially when the the copy’s are better then the original county’s plane..
@luuk341Ай бұрын
I think this is just a nice way for Tim to say: It's a total piece of sh*t. Don't fly it.
@janusz41563 ай бұрын
Ideal fighter to Ace Combat 8. 65 years of F-4 in 2023.
@Astrawboy_NameAlreadyInUse2 ай бұрын
Imagine F-4 ICUP.
@XSFlangerКүн бұрын
Why is it BR 13.3 now? Is it on par with F-15, F-16A or MiG-29? I can hardly believe it...
@TimsVarietyКүн бұрын
Anything with amraams is artificially bumped up ...
@TheBloatedChap3 ай бұрын
Ill just use my u.s tree til typhoon comes
@Eve.0.3 ай бұрын
Can someone buy me a pack 50% off?
@Frost_x_NB3 ай бұрын
This needs to be lower in BR
@pierrematthieupaglia37073 ай бұрын
Good video tim !
@meanman69923 ай бұрын
An F4 was flying up until 2013 for a western nation? 🥲….. would not have guessed that.
@TimsVariety3 ай бұрын
It lingers a bit as a recon plane a little longer than its combat role.
@areyou0k983 ай бұрын
They use them as remote drones to shoot down for missile testing/ practice.
@Android_ELITE3 ай бұрын
man. it would have been so cool if this was part of a more exclusive set of ARH jets along with other low-performance dogfighters like the tornado and harriers. it’d have been a much nicer dynamic between proper 4th gens with SARH that can dogfight well and these upgraded 3rd gens with ARH that can’t. we could’ve always added the new 4th gens later.
@SomeWarthunderGuy3 ай бұрын
Sup Tim
@TimsVariety3 ай бұрын
**wave**
@awalay-wz3nh3 ай бұрын
broooo f16 paid actor what was that
@TimsVariety3 ай бұрын
I swear dude, that was a real rate fight ... posted about it in the pinned comment lol
@RT420693 ай бұрын
So the 9L/I is just a smokey 9M?
@TimsVariety3 ай бұрын
Basically, yes.
@mrgarland52103 ай бұрын
Mavericks (and hellfires) got a major buff causing much more spalling and overpressure than before. Zenturion took a look at the new changes.
@301_tyron53 ай бұрын
In ground rb it’s more than capable at CAP at top tier. Well aslong as their aren’t more than 3 enemies up
@BlitZnGodzilla1173 ай бұрын
i remember this was my crutch for german decks in WG:RD planes lol
@bagelmaster24983 ай бұрын
I enjoy the wording on multirole ordinance lol, bc it’s terrible at cas but had a lot of dumb bombs
@lbuunjj3 ай бұрын
It could get the mig 21 ecm pods which could have 64 cms on each side
@alvarovillatoro51873 ай бұрын
Can you make a video about improved BAZ? I don't know if it's some kind of bug, but that plane doesn't have a TWS option on the radar. Nice video btw.
@TimsVariety3 ай бұрын
I'm waiting to do any more Israeli stuff until the current conflict dies down, I don't want to deal with the comments section .... but the lack of TWS isn't a bug.
@AndreDiasRJ3 ай бұрын
This will be a good jet in SIM when Gaijin starts bringing 13.x jets. It will be the only amramm jet below 13.0
@An_00b3 ай бұрын
Harrier too right?
@deadmemesrus11193 ай бұрын
I can't wait till you do the FA2. Same sort of story as the ICE, but with an even more painful stock grind
@ironpizza51503 ай бұрын
It's flat out worse in almost every way to the av8b. Kinda sad
@deadmemesrus11193 ай бұрын
@@ironpizza5150 yeah whoever decided to set them at the same br was smoking the essence of the snail itself. Pure unnecessary hate for the british. Just the way Gaijin likes it
@Squeaky_Ben3 ай бұрын
Tim with the german again. Let me know if you want some pronunciation lessons, I would be happy to teach you, lol
@TimsVariety3 ай бұрын
One of my IRL friends is German, and helps already. There is almost no way I'll ever *not* have a thick American accent when speaking other languages.
@Squeaky_Ben3 ай бұрын
@@TimsVariety I find it entertaining, so no reason for me to stop you, especially when you make an honest attempt. German is hard afterall, so don't worry.
@lucky7th3313 ай бұрын
Tell me you'll do the Harrier FA2 at some point, everyone is refusing to play it but I'd love an in depth video on it like you do
@TimsVariety3 ай бұрын
At some point, but I have some other projects to finish up first.
@lucky7th3313 ай бұрын
@@TimsVariety oh yeah, no need to rush, everything in due time
@luigipignatale77903 ай бұрын
I have a question: Im not an aviation expert (im more of an enthusiast), so my question is. Whats next? I mean whats next in terms of weapons and aircraft? Thanks for the content as always
@FM-hw8yv3 ай бұрын
Well basically only radar seeking air to ground missiles, so anti radiation missiles that seek out radar sourses aka spaas with radar And then generally always better missiles of what we have rn. Later IR missiles, like the iris-T, we can get for example can target a plane behind the plane, in this case the Eurogighter, that fires it
@luigipignatale77903 ай бұрын
@@FM-hw8yv how are they Better than normal air-to ground?
@FM-hw8yv3 ай бұрын
@@luigipignatale7790 cause they specifically Auto target Like fox 3 missiles onto Radar Spaas. Imagine it like ground fox 3s that target only one Type of vehicles....the one that is the main threat against the Planes themselfes
@F35whengajin3 ай бұрын
1 view in 7secs bro fell off
@FergieThunder3 ай бұрын
Grow up
@OCS-vr7my3 ай бұрын
Damn this dude won’t even give KZbinrs a single SECOND before he makes the judgment of viewership