F*** YOUR CULT - Heated Leftist Confronts Destiny On Trans Sports

[@destiny]

Heated leftist confronts Destiny on his trans sports take before Destiny tries to de-escalate in order to have a productive conversation... Destiny Gets Dogpiled In HEATED 1v9 Debate Panel On Trans Sports ►kzbin.info/www/bejne/pIHWpGWwa9qUZ7s

[@Balls_on_Chin]

Feels weird being in a cult, I suppose I’ve been drinking the kool aid for a week now 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@lancemagmer9701]

I think considering handicaps would be appropriate. Let them compete and give trans women 2 seconds on there race times or multiply it by 1.01. subtract 5 lbs or multiply by .99 for weights.

[@sadone3565]

Hey destiny, I’m a trans girl here and if there’s any way of getting me on I’d totally come on and talk about this issue. I really do think that the current discussion on trans sport kinda lends itself to some of the arguments on the terf/conservative side. The discussion if it’s “to include trans ppl” should be around the the metrics of what should and shouldn’t be included. Like for example you made the concession that early transitioners should be included and that if they didn’t go through male puberty you can’t see a reason why they should be included. I would love to be on and maybe discuss this more though and if anyone can upvote this so destiny can see it. I would love to be a more centered person on this specific issue because quite a few of the ppl who have discussed this issue with you have in a few instances done it in bad faith.

[@brennendehexe7934]

27min in and i just have to quit. If someone actually believes women can do more pushups than men. Just say goodbye. Why would you expect a rational argument with someone if they already abandoned all common sense.

[@seavpal]

Tha coolaid really tasts like t' rancid nutsack, wot man put tha cynide in dis urly?😜

[@deebo429__]

I love how these conversations always start out with "You're an evil cult leader transphobe" and then progress to "Ok you're not transphobic or a cult leader but you're a big meanie"

[@ThermalKill24]

Thousands of years of cognitive evolution have not brought us far

[@majdjinn5042]

@@ThermalKill24 Words are still new.

[@TeriiTeri]

@@majdjinn5042 wat

[@ThermalKill24]

@@majdjinn5042 for sure as well as humans in general. Humanity at this moment are adolescents or pre teens at best in the grand scheme.

[@lukaswithakay]

@@ThermalKill24 In the grand scheme we’re still freaking amoebas, dude, even our planet alone outlives us 22,000 to 1. Not to mention the age of the universe, or any of the apex predators before us.

[@pazmello]

How has this dude lived on this earth for at least 30 years and doesn’t know that there’s a significant difference between men and women in sports. It’s mind blowing to me.

[@TheMasterblah]

The fact that none of these people know that a man can perform at a lower body fat, making them pound for pound stronger than a woman who carries more fat naturally is so frustrating. None of these people understand the specifics of sports

[@jonathanrobinson6934]

This is what it is to be stuck in your feels.

[@juliekring7574]

People who argue the loudest about trans women in sports are never athletes

[@Darthdoodoo]

They know and are suppressing it to feel partvof the group or they are straight up lying

[@user-ev8ij4ld1m]

He knows, he’s lying

[@Zeeroo4life]

The amount of mental gymnastics done to avoid confronting the fact that testosterone has a permanent, advantageous effect on male bone structure and muscle development is insanity

[@15walkingaway]

That's what irks me when they only bring up testosterone levels. They don't consider the anatomical advantages of going through puberty as a man. It shows their complete lack of understanding of how the body functions as a system.

[@KittenIgnition]

men seem to excel even at mental gymnastics it seems :^)

[@dandromeda1]

​@@KittenIgnition Damn it! I was gonna say that, you beat me to it lol.

[@bigpapi6688]

@@15walkingawayI can confirm, as a dude who has gone through puberty and taken gear: boys are much stronger

[@Leo_Pard_A4]

​@@KittenIgnitionnice

[@Va11idus]

As soon as this guy said that WNBA players could play in the NBA if it wasn't for societal pressures there was no point in arguing anymore. He's never going to find common ground.

[@BCNeil]

None of the WNBA players could even make a top 10 NCAA mens team as a starter.

[@rodneywoodcock8235]

@@BCNeil They couldn't be a Division III men's player. They couldn't make a really good boy's high school team. Men and Women are not equal physically, nor will they ever be. Why is this so hard to understand? This is sh!t everyone knew until 10 minutes ago and they reason for men's and women's separate leagues in the first place.

[@yungdevi]

Getting dunked on by Lebron while his hairy ball bag swipes across your forehead replayed in slow motion by the misogynists at espn is a societal pressure

[@bigbelly8649]

You wouldn't even have to bring Lebron out. The Lakers G league bench would do the same thing. @@yungdevi

[@yungdevi]

@@bigbelly8649 easily. The womens World Cup soccer lineup got wiped by a very average group of male high schoolers. In basketball I’d expect the same or maybe even worse

[@DistantKingdom]

abolish sports for everybody because a fraction of a fraction of people feel a certain way? tf lol. that's not even remotely sensible or reasonable in the slightest

[@thepubquiz3198]

What I don't understand is this persons argument that the physical advantages men have over women on average is due to society, rather than biological differences. I think you can certainly possibly explains some of the gap that way, and the only way you would know for certain, is if you tested people who grew up in some gender neutral community cut off from the outside world, which is never going to happen. Yet does this person think that the reason women are shorter on average for example, is because of society ? How could society possibly be making women substantially shorter on average ? We know that society isn't making women shorter on average, which would serve as good evidence that other biological differences like our nervous systems, muscle mass, fat distribution, somatotype and so on, are also not caused by society, but rather biological differences.

[@thepubquiz3198]

@gary grep I'm not quite sure I understand your comment, when you say "Abolish sports for every one because they're threaten by a fraction of a fraction of a percent" are you saying they are threatened by a small percentage of elite athletes outperforming everyone else ? And " but who's saying anything about abolishing sports for everyone?" in this video the first person Destiny was talking to, brought up abolishing all sports until we can figure out how to progress in regards to this situation.

[@nocivolive]

Some vegetables make me sick, so lets ban the selling of vegetables because it hurts me and we need to think out what we should do about it.

[@drifter402]

Yea man he's like trans people have so little impact that we should just de-gender all sports, which would just make the problem way worse. And obviously the small amount of trans in women's sports is a big deal since they're fucking winning

[@pommiebears]

Does he in any way sound sensible to you? I’m not a leftist. I’m not on the right either, I’m in the area that doesn’t have a name. I listen to Destiny and I don’t always agree with him, but I find myself agreeing to some things, and he’s even changed my mind on some topics. This person who has called in, is bitter and twisted. By jealousy? Maybe. But, he ain’t right in the melon, that’s for sure. Lol.

[@kronk2294]

“I’d be happy if we just abolished sports” “I just want you to see that not all of us are crazy” That’s convincing

[@valorousvanity8861]

As a competitive athlete all throughout highschool and my 20s, if you think women can compete with men in any sport that requires any physical strength, speed, or stamina, you are delusional.

[@ey1615]

@Lydia Why even separate little boys and girls in sports in the first place

[@roymarshall_]

The only question we need to ask anybody making that argument is: DYEL?

[@kittyfluffins]

As someone who has never played sports, this is fucking obvious and common knowledge. I cannot believe that the first guy was arguing that MEN don’t have any advantages over women.

[@ChiTownOriginator]

@Lydia actually there are plenty of great reasons. Fairness for example.

[@OverlyCriticalAnime]

Even E sports and chess are mainly men. It may be due to a boys only mentality but woman are not near as competitive as men from what I can tell but I'm sure it's the first one thou. Lol

[@skolzig]

There is no such thing as “mens sports” at any level; be it the NCAA, high school, or even further down the age scale from there. Women are free to participate in any of these activities if they’re talented enough to earn a spot on the team. “Womens sports” at least at the collegiate level, were created via title IX precisely because women were not able to do just that. There’s no specific rule barring women from competing with men in high level organized sport. This theoretical “experiment” around de-gendering sports has already been running for 50+ years. We know how it shakes out.

[@Throwaway-xr6zd]

Wait till this Lydia person who is all over the comments section of this video tell you how you are a transphobe.

[@wydmark]

Wish we could make a all womens team football vs mens game. Like literally the strongest hoes on earth tho.

[@Jst.a.Normal.Bottle.of.Mustard]

@Lydia "Half of these comments are making fun of the caller for "sounding obese" or using "these people" as a stand-in for referring to trans people so they can still claim they aren't transphobic" - your reply to another comment on this video less than 10min ago.....

[@Throwaway-xr6zd]

@Lydia you kind of plastered yourself all over here so it's hard not to notice. you say you are a pro wrestler and this affect you so i guess it's only fair. it's not like people lie on internet or anything. regardless, youtube comments of a random streamer who couldn't even get his one canvassing effort to success is where all legislative battles for trans rights are fought. how many comments do you have on destiny's channel, again 550+?

[@Throwaway-xr6zd]

@Lydia yes but that doesn't mean you get to do it on the expense of cis women. that's the contention. try to think beyond you and the group of people you identify with.

[@SteveEricJordan]

ABOLISH SPORTS i'm speechless. this is the perfect example of someone living in the online world, thinking himself into a rage, completely detached from reality.

[@goldentrichomeshydro4260]

✅️

[@colinmc2945]

This is the literal dumbest argument ever, this person cannot be genuinely arguing that women and men are equally competitive. If that were true there wouldn’t be separate leagues to begin with.

[@joshuathomas5626]

I couldn’t tell if he was joking or not, but then he followed that up with “the ppl that would get mad about that would be mad anyway” lol

[@plaguepug2091]

You’re just not based enough SteveEricJordan, I think we should abolish urologists and gynecologists as well for being too gender-exclusive.

[@CaspyEdits]

You can hear the obesity in his voice.

[@ShadowAC69-]

I hate how all criticism for destiny goes from “destiny is wrong and has bad takes” to “destiny just has too big of a following so he shouldn’t engage with anything ever” they just want to to say anything without any push back. It’s so boring.

[@kyle8971]

When your goalposts have wheels, your position is constantly changing. It's why the criticism of Destiny falls on its face so often. Destiny might have some bad takes but his positions are not untenable.

[@lossnt557]

Yeah im getting sick of these convos

[@pieshka4509]

Waaahhh Destiny is a bad person cause randos that aren't him are mean! The bulk of criticism of him the past couple weeks

[@pieshka4509]

@Guy Dude the old "you need to be responsible with your large platform" while they behave in an extremely toxic manner argument the progressive side of youtube and twitch have used since 2012 as if it's a valid argument

[@CrestOfArtorias]

But but inclusion!

[@Durzo1259]

"They're such a tiny portion of the population that they have no effect on women's sports." It takes exactly one trans woman to take first place to steal it from all the other women who would've otherwise had a chance.

[@thosearentpillows5638]

Yes.

[@MergatroidS]

42:35 Without being too mean, this really exemplifies a huge and meaningful disconnect that sometimes comes from people on that side of the trans sports conversation. It's not just that these people have never played sports before. This person clearly has never even WATCHED sports to suggest something so stupid. Personally, I love basketball. I enjoy watching it at all levels (high school, college, professional) and by all genders. Women's basketball specifically is more exciting than it's ever been with so many talented young players coming up. HOWEVER... The NCAA (college) basketball tournaments just wrapped up. Both male and female games air around the same time. If you ever watch a woman's NCAA game right after watching a man's NCAA game, the women look like they're moving in slow motion. That's how jarring the difference is. The best female player could never hope to chase down any of those guys on a fast break. Female centers aren't strong enough to post up male point guards, let alone male centers. For Christ's sake, women's basketball is already played with a smaller ball to better fit their hand size. The idea that these differences can somehow be socialized out is complete nonsense.

[@mitchyorkey2914]

Yeah anecdote Andy but I remember our hs basketball team played the girl’s volleyball team in volleyball and dominated purely by being taller and having good jumpers. These dudes had no technique or teamwork and still won easily

[@dexter2392]

You are correct, but the problem is, these people would rather disgregard everything you just said and blame the differences on "social constructs" and "fascism".

[@proudtobeme1ashkente]

Even just a casual watcher of football, my mother, has often exclaimed that women's football is just more slow and boring to watch. It's gonna be the same for every sport like this.

[@zeb_reynolds]

The worst player on the worst team in the NBA would be so dominant in the WNBA that they would simply have shut it down due to the fact that no other team could ever compete with them. Women’s basketball is entertaining, but like you said acting like women’s basketball players are even remotely on the same playing field is hilarious.

[@richardlug6139]

@@zeb_reynolds I would bet the best High school boys BB team in the nation would beat an all star WNBA team especially if you used the mens sized basket ball, but even if they used the womens size the boys would win.

[@dexter2392]

The trans sports arc is getting more based by the minute.

[@chiron9536]

This Arc is the best in the anime so far

[@ericstein8019]

Wait until the conservative debates

[@nickfry7839]

this two minute clip explains perfectly what people who never do anything act like they know.kzbin.infoOb0Ta49vx5o?feature=share

[@weliveinasusciety1279]

It also shows how insane leftists have truly become to any sort of nuanced or even moderate positions.

[@Bababaaaa]

Yeah I can't believe it's gotten to people wanting to not have women's leagues at all now. That is so insane.

[@monkusaugustus4017]

"it's so sad that 1% of the population can't participate in sports... Let's make it 50%"

[@caca0caca0]

Y'know, as someone who legitimately can't walk, every time someone sounds incredulous or aghast at the idea that a certain percentage of the population can't compete in sports is both hilarious and mildly infuriating. Like, yeah? Trans people can't compete until they build structures and resources and outreach programs necessary to have their own league. Sorry. I know that nobody has ever had to do that before, or has faced such severe unfairness, but I have a feeling that they'll be able to endure that hateful oppression.

[@tb8654]

Exactly, they're acting as if we should push people who are handicapped into the same Olympics due to there being a small population of handicapped people, instead of focusing on setting up a league that advocates for athletes who have handicaps/disabilities

[@magicdragon9621]

This is an excellent point to make.

[@bobwilliams4895]

Preach!

[@dejue]

Man. I've heard a lot of arguments on both sides. Rarely is anything unique. I have never thought about or heard anyone with your point of view. It really made me say "hmmm". Thank you for sharing.!

[@frickingart]

yo why cant i play against the wheelchair basketball league, thats discrimination.

[@Winasaurus]

Lefty: "You want to eliminate trans people from all sports, I don't think that's ok." Destiny: "No, they can still compete in their own leagues." Lefty: "But there isn't enough for leagues so you're effectively eliminating them." Meanwhile: Destiny: "You want to eliminate all women from sports, I don't think that's ok." Lefty: "No, they can compete with trans women." Destiny: "But the trans women have an advantage and would beat them, effectively eliminating them." Lefty: "No it's different when I do it, there's not even that many trans people anyways, also think of humanity, also you sound transphobic." So he's willing to extend "effective" elimination of transpeople by having their own league into totally eliminating transpeople from sports when Destiny says it, but when destiny says the same thing about him effectively eliminating women from sports all of a sudden he wants to be really specific with his wording and "Well technically they can still play." Trans people could still play in destiny's version. "Oh but they can't in reality cause not enough people." and not in reality with your version cause the trans people beat the cis people. Classic case of wanting the most charitable interpretation of his words "I was joking when I said women's sports don't matter, also technically I'm not eliminating women's sports", but giving the worst interpretation of Destiny's "You basically just want to get rid of trans people, you don't seem to care about the humanity of people, is that not good enough?"

[@bradmiles1984]

It comes simple to what does the most good, eliminating 50 percent of the population from sports vs 1 percent of the population. That is Destiny's point, yes it sucks for transpeople but unless you can even the playing field it's just how it is. Right now the standards are messed up that they even have to be in. They can have 3 times the amount of testosterone as a normal healthy woman produces and still be in a acceptable range. The only way a biological woman could get those levels is by taking steroids which is illegal for them. How is that fair? In terms of having their own league, just make an open gender league then they can compete with biological men and women but at least they are agreeing to it not being forced into being at a disadvantage. At least in sports where it is competitive, if it's some local league it doesn't matter but when there is scholarships and money on the line then yes transwomen should be excluded if they have an unfair advantage.

[@Mubiki]

The irony is that people get excluded all the time. In college for example, not every woman who wants to compete gets to. Some people are excluded because they are not good enough. So this idea that nobody is "allowed" to be excluded in a civilized country is a false narrative anyway. It is about biological advantages. Those with unfair advantages should be excluded, just like those who were simply not good enough. This is the way the world works.

[@upsidedownmachiatto2670]

​@@Mubiki i mean that's what we have already established now. We try to make it as fair as possible. They just trying to reinvent this process now.

[@redgrimgrumbult3823]

"You've made takes that make trans people uncomfortable and they're not feeling good in their spaces right now." I do love how this guy speaks for all trans people.

[@megarakadmea]

Honestly if you substituted “women” in his statement he’d think the person saying it was evil. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@Blank_01_01]

The brain rot on these people is insane. "Girls being conditioned from an early age could compete with men in football" Dude, you may as well be discussing the Paleozoic era with a young earth creationist.

[@TheVerbos]

Yeah, it's insane.

[@the_inquisitive_inquisitor]

No, he's right.... but the "conditioning" would be medical (read: steroids from prepubescence).

[@3MrNiceGuy15]

This used to happen to me all the time. The second I would push back on anything even remotely "progressive" I all of a sudden became far right fascist in their eyes. Which ironically, that type of devisive mentality was the very thing I was pushing back on in the first place. It's not healthy to think like that. It's ok to have a discussion with opposing views. But people just want to erase opposing ideas completely. Its insane.

[@soggybiscuit6098]

That's because real progressivism has been co-opted by the establishment to distract and protect them as they rob people economically. The right used to be the authoritarian cult crazies, it's completely flipped around now.

[@praetoriancorps]

Was going to make a comment but then I saw you already put "progressive" between " "

[@baskoning9896]

Dude. It was what made me 'rightextremist' in the first place. I used to be a classical lefty. But the left started to take more and more positions, that I could not tolerate. I did not move. The left, moved, ever farther away, till the only ones actually giving a single damn about my actual leftwing positions: where the f*ing right. And yes, all 'we' have to do is open our arms, and collect people who have been 'cancelled' by the hyperextreme left. Middle of the road fence sitters: are pushed 'to the extreme right' by the left, for just not conforming to their insane standards. The left, has become the very thing they say they are fighting against. They are now the ones stifling debate. Using violence. Demanding segregation. Piss on woman and gay rights. Demand 100 percent state control. Want endless war for profit. I did not leave the left. The left left me.

[@jacobdonahue4191]

They want to erase the aposing ideas, because they cannot defend their own. That's what facist did. That's what communism did. Know that anyone who wants to shut down conversation aren't the good guys.

[@aaronmontgomery2055]

Nah you just on the right now. 😂 it just how it is. You believe in capitalism, you on the right. You believe in not seeing people based on race, you on the right. It is how it is now

[@brettsodrel6456]

This whole "well let's just abolish all sports" idea fucking infuriates me...just cuz you dont play or care about sports doesn't mean the rest of us don't...its a huge part of millions of people's lives...and not just the athletes, its a way for parents and children to bond over something who might not have other ways to do so because of the generation gap...its just such a selfish and frankly ignorant thing to say.

[@TheFatalcrest]

I don't even play sports, or watch them much and I was like "oh fuck that! What did the entire practice of sports do to justify that idea!'

[@salmonblox]

It was the same thing when Adam Canover was debating trans sports with Joe Rogan… they act like sports are silly and this will be some fun, messy, enlightening experiment as we abolish sports divisions and figure this out and get used to the new normal… all from people who never watch or play any sport whatsoever. It infuriates me

[@TheFatalcrest]

@@salmonblox because these individuals probably don't care enough to be turned off by the idea. And if it was a space of theirs, they would probably hesitate slightly at the idea of having the entire franchise shut down so they could try to figure out how to cater to a microcosm of the population.

[@ihsahnakerfeldt9280]

It's one thing to argue for the undeniable role of socialization on gender roles and stereotypes, but the sheer difference in physical strength between the average man and the average woman is basically purely biology. It's insane to me that educated people can actually think otherwise.

[@edwardhim2276]

especially upper body strength. a lot of studies have shown many untrained men outcompete women who have trained in the bench press for a few years.

[@joegasparro2395]

This is what happens when you never leave the basement and participate in the world. EVERYONE who has played any type of sport at any time in life knows there is a significant difference between men and women. But, I am sitting here watching, so I am now reevaluating my life. Thank you sir.

[@randal3122]

its the woke cult. they are absolutely delusional and believe whatever bullshit the most radical leftist people tell them

[@bigpapi6688]

I was athletic and in good shape in HS, but I stopped playing sports before then. My senior year I wrestled a girl at our school that medaled in state, and pinned her on my first takedown attempt. My junior year I raced a girl the year above me who won state in the hundred yard dash and beat her by like ten yards. And I didn’t play either sport. I can’t imagine if I was an actual good athlete who competed. It’s absurd, especially in high school when you have boys that have gone through puberty and are essentially men

[@lukaswithakay]

“Us Bernie bros” Conservatives and leftists all got trapped in a 2016 time vortex.

[@Rohtix]

"Why do you care what I say?" "Because you're blowing up my feed" Guy comes in, calls destiny a transphobic cultist, then retracts that part of the way through and kinda admits he just annoyed of seeing him. Does he really give a fuck about trans people or...?

[@rohanjarande]

These "activists" are the worst enemies their own causes could ever have.

[@User71956]

I don’t think any streamer actually care about social issues. It’s just reality tv 2.0. Everyone wants to be famous and make lots of money, the ideology is always #3 for 99% of streamers. It’s trashy entertainment, but so was Jerry Springer and I loved watching that growing up.

[@rustyshackleford11]

most people don't really care about others at all, let alone an EXTREMELY small subset of people (actual intersex people)

[@Withwhatmytoes]

The answer is no. Even your virtue signalling friends don’t. What people really care about is social credit and that they are perceived to be good. They don’t care and don’t need to. Nobody has to care about trans people. They are eminently unlikeable as a group, they need to be better, work on their mental health problems and narcissistic tendencies and people may start to accept them

[@theroamingsavage8813]

Hes a narcissist, literally trying to make himself look and sound heroic.

[@dirrtydani1]

One of the hardest things to accept is not being able to do everything you want or things that other people can. As someone who is chronically ill it has took me 15 years to accept i cannot do things healthy people can or at least not on the same level. I know its a bit different but if your body puts you at a significant advantage or disadvantage you have to accept its not necessarily a space for you. There will be other spaces that fit you better but you cant force yourself to fit them all

[@AkaiKnight]

“It’s fine that some athletes in the NBA use steroids because there’s so few of them” That’s literally the argument.

[@jogiff]

Laws requiring transsexuals to play in leagues matching their sex are apparently unfair because they’re such a small group and you shouldn’t legislate around them. Yet they never make that argument about laws allowing them to play in the wrong league. It’s curious, isn’t it

[@Jaryism]

Can these people ever, for once, NOT HAVE a chip on their shoulder and just have a cordial conversation from the start? Grats to Destiny at 8:00 trying to lower the temp of the conversation.

[@jayfron6012]

The chip on your shoulder is a right of passage to be a vitriolic online lefty

[@thepapavulture8322]

@Lydia And no one will care to engage with you if you come out swinging like an idiot with their finger on the trigger

[@Throwaway-xr6zd]

@Lydia what sports do you play?

[@JM-mh1pp]

@Lydia how does it affect you? In what sport are you competing?

[@user-sk4ds1rg1z]

@Lydia show record

[@ki11erkittie]

This dude is denying reality and logic in order to be an ally. I'm fully willing to be an ally as long as I'm never asked to ignore those things. How does this guy get off calling people cultists?

[@MrLittletube]

Agreed. I have to tell people this shit continually. I'll be an ally every step of the way. Untill you demand I deny science and reality. That's my line in the sand.

[@Withwhatmytoes]

@@MrLittletube but isn’t that what being an ally is? Lying and being forced to speak falsehoods?

[@jujutrini8412]

Yeah I wonder if he would be happy for his daughter to do boxing or MMA in weight categories and not divided by sex categories.

[@theroamingsavage8813]

He thinks that because .001% of the population is born with 4 fingers, that all gloves need to be made with 4 fingers

[@GSP-76]

​@@WithwhatmytoesNo, it doesn't. If that's been your experience, find better people to engage with.

[@gnomebody2371]

Holy fuck this dude is really blaming the patriarchy that men and women don’t compete against each other. Fuck maybe the anti-SJW’s were right.

[@jcb5681]

On this issue the anti-SJWs are 100% right. It’s not that they’re smart, it’s that progressives are fucking insane.

[@onionfarmer3044]

Give an inch and they take a mile.

[@dexter2392]

Based

[@Cybertech134]

We always were right. People are just recently waking up to that fact. Better late than never, I suppose.

[@SuperVigormortis]

I refuse to believe he just casually said that her 13 y old daughter has trans friends. How does a 13 year old know anything about that without being indoctrinated?

[@NozdormusRage]

First guy is so insanely passive-aggressive and blind. I honestly don't know how Destiny maintained his cool.

[@WanderTheNomad]

Probably cause he's experienced it a thousand times from other people. Just a guess

[@drawnsequence]

@@WanderTheNomad If anything, experiencing repeated ignorance regularly would make me less patient. I don't know how he manages to not blow up at these living tropes either.

[@Healcraft]

i sympathize with him but not on everything, I used to think the same thing about D, but honestly I think Destiny is the opposite of black pilled, i wish he was more black pilled.

[@jcpbd1776]

13:00 "I'm not counting out women... they have every ability to compete with any other athlete cis or trans" This issue has taught me that not enough dad's forced their kids to play sports

[@Coastpsych_fi99]

Look in mixed social level sport that’s non-contact it’s probably fine. But at an elite level it’s literally crazy.

[@jcpbd1776]

@@Coastpsych_fi99 social level that's non contact? Not trying to hop on your head but can you provide a few examples of what you're referring to

[@Diabolical3010]

i feel like people just dont go out enough. You have to be terminally online to say something that idiotic.

[@bradmiles1984]

@@jcpbd1776 He's talking about like non-competitive social type leagues. The kind where people care more about drinking beer then winning the game.

[@jcpbd1776]

@@bradmiles1984 if so then I'd be a lot more open to his ideology, I didn't hear it that way because they were bringing up NCAA athletes, Olympic rulings and national ranking competitions, but If there's a quote I misheard or ignored I'd be a bit more open

[@andreassandgren5506]

The strange thing about advocating for just having an open category because you're concerned about trans athletes being excluded, is that an open category would exclude biological women AND trans athletes from professional/high level sports.

[@TheKennyboy92]

That's the exact problem, they just oh trans people being excluded must be bad.

[@paulchen6329]

its so insane that they dont even realize that LITERALLY NOTHING would change for trans athletes by degendering sports, since as of right now trans people are allowed to compete in "men sports" i.e the open category i.e the degendered category. at this point they cant not be trolling. people that dumb would surely not know how to turn any kind of electrical device on, right?

[@lilben4184]

whoa so all weaklings would be excluded? uhh hello based department?

[@Forkinpikey]

All major sports leagues are open to anyone. There's a reason no women or trans athletes have broken into the major leagues. And they have their own "women's league" restricted to only "women".

[@treehann]

Why in the world are the people who accuse others of “always having to be right” always guilty of that exact same thing? It’s a really frustrating pattern I see in my real life, not even just online.

[@jcb5681]

17:50 this guy think women aren’t in the NBA because of “societal issues.” Can we please stop pretending these people aren’t insane? Because they quite obviously are.

[@thefluffythinker773]

People like him are perfectly willing to live a lie so that their utopia will be realised they're total psychopaths🤦‍♂️

[@bradmiles1984]

He's never watched a WNBA game in his life, the game is like half speed compared to the NBA.

[@swordyshield]

@@bradmiles1984 these people who say that stuff are legit clueless. Badminton tennis etc the difference in power and speed is so incredibly obvious that I cannot even understand the idea that someone would think its societal issues that prevent them from participating

[@bradmiles1984]

@@swordyshield Yep and the funny thing is most women athletes will flat out tell you that if they had to compete against men they'd be crushed in most sports. It's just scientific fact that men physiologically have an advantage in most sports. Only ones were it is even are sports of skill like pool, chess, competitive shooting, etc. Sports about skill and mental acuity it is a level playing field.

[@swordyshield]

@@bradmiles1984 yep. There is that one clip of the #1 female tennis player saying she would get mopped and people are still like.... Well its just societal pressure!

[@beanybabyrabie]

Damn, man really said he doesn’t give a shit about women’s opportunities and scholarships and literally chose men in skirts over his own daughter LMAO wtf

[@harlanhardway5955]

You can tell immediately when people have no experience in sports. I love sports, but have never competed at any kind of high level. I put the work in, I do my push-ups, I hustle. But 90% of men can literally get up off the couch, having not worked out in years, and be faster and stronger than me. When I was in high school the difference was absolutely immense. It's gotten slightly less as I've gotten older simply because the average guy who gets up off the couch at 30 might also have back pain and a knee injury. What really gets me about this whole discussion is that I will argue until my dying day that there IS variability in men and women. I am a tall woman who likes sports, so there ARE cases where I am better for the job than a man. Not because I am stronger, but because I am strong enough AND willing to put in the work. But athletics are a different thing entirely. Athletics are about peak performance. The STONGEST female boulderer. The one who blows all the other female competitors out of the water. She is known for being able to complete SOME male boulder problems. That's the bar. She is not competitive with the top men, she is just barely able to project some of the same problems as them.

[@johnatspray]

Totally agree. I’m a man I’m 47 I don’t really work out, I can still do 10 real deep pushups easily and 20 if needed without a pause. And I’m totally out of shape. We are just built different

[@bigpapi6688]

30 year old men aren’t senior citizens lol that’s a men’s athletic prime, even if they don’t work out. They don’t have back and knee problems😂

[@skuzzlebutt9745]

@@johnatspraymen and woman are equal there is no difference

[@skuzzlebutt9745]

@@bigpapi6688men and woman are equal there is no difference. Trans rights are human rights, a cis woman and trans woman are the exact same thing. Your telling me that ronda rousey wouldnt beat the crap out of conor mcgregor? There is no biological difference if the people work out hard their whole lives they will be equal trans rights are human rights. Gender segregation needs to be abolished in all sports mma on down

[@thosearentpillows5638]

@@skuzzlebutt9745lolololol😂

[@__Jah__]

"ANY GROUP THAT IS NOT MY GROUP IS A CULT, MY GROUP IS NOT A CULT THOUGH" ffs so many people need to look in the mirror it's insane

[@Smayor75]

The moment he said he didn’t know if women would be systematically beat by men in most sports I understood he was not willing to have a open and honest conversation.

[@leotamer5]

Not the "you're are a cult leader"

[@alsalcal]

"These women are gonna do it no matter what". 99.999% of "terfs" i know were at one point trans allies until their boundaries were crossed without care. Many vocally advocated for trans rights until TRAs started insisting they could only have rights by removing womens rights. Destiny is spot on. Love, A terf

[@Strawn149]

Fellow TERF here

[@ezu5131]

Man that's really the kicker. People can't understand why they start to get pushback on these issues when their takes are so unhinged. Just blame the "patriarchy" or some other conveniently intangible boogeyman.

[@davidrodkey8660]

Wow Destiny im growing to enjoy the gentle public shaming you provide. I cant believe im this late to the party. Didnt like you at first but ive grown. Your debating skills are next level. THOROUGH

[@wyattshoemaker7018]

The whole time when he said he “plays music” I was begging to the lord that he wasn’t going to be yet another embarrassment to the metal genre but here we are.

[@Horizon0505iije]

This guy never played sports. I kickbox and mma. I Spar with women in the gym too. It’s way different when I spar with men. Men throw harder punch. They have better techniques. Their reflex is much quicker. Omg I’m a leftist but those kind of people really made me wanna leave the left

[@keycuz]

The people pushing for this craziness are neither gay, dysphoric or left wing. Attacking language, removing safeguards for women and children is not fighting for equality.

[@dgulag3733]

Destiny's audience is quite reasonable and friendly. I don't understand how they get such a bad reputation..

[@canadianturtle7240]

Destiny's audience is some of the most braindead twitter-tards I've come across. You guys have absolutely zero social calibration whatsoever. How did you guys not see this coming? I'm honestly curious. Not just this trans issue, but the recent exposing of breadtubers/progressives like Vaush/Hasan. How were you people so dumb that you thought these 2 were once voices of reason? I've been watching Destiny for years, but I'm glad I never considered myself part of the fanbase.

[@Shams-fe6lq]

BINGQILIN

[@Gadfly333]

Because the other side literally can't see it from a different point of view... They're stuck.

[@Theyungcity23]

You can’t be serious

[@vafongoo]

Idk about that. Have you seen his chat?

[@onlyeveryone2253]

Imagine walking up to a top female athlete and telling them they are not as good as men just because social stuff. He is acting like cis women do not even try.

[@emperortgp2424]

That's because everytime a girl is born, Mr. Patriarchy is personally there to snatch away any agency she will ever have

[@miguelzavaleta1911]

Let's not do this bad faith stuff, pls. It's frustrating when people do it to Destiny, let's not play into it.

[@onlyeveryone2253]

@@miguelzavaleta1911 I don't find my content bad faith. I do not think most people who see my comment thinks he actually believes women are retarded children who cannot do sports right. It just kinda is the implication of the arguments he has stumbeled upon without thinking too deeply about them.

[@artschiloyan9101]

@@miguelzavaleta1911 That is being implied though. If it’s not bad faith then it’s ignorance.

[@cosettapessa6417]

@@artschiloyan9101 true

[@TheJackofMars]

Give in Destiny. Start a cult!

[@the_inquisitive_inquisitor]

Okay, but only if it's a Doomsday Death Cult.

[@onionfarmer3044]

Vaush is beating him to it.

[@mikelee9173]

This is so cringe to hear. If that guy did one ounce of research and took the best woman athlete in her specific sport of choice and see where she ranked within the top male athletes, she would be nowhere to be found.

[@heinshaaine8153]

I thought that destiny could have made his point pretty easily by just comparing Olympic performances between the sexes. Womens olympic world records are always significantly below mens.

[@idk9637]

@@heinshaaine8153 exactly. my immediate thought was to mention how no woman has ever broken the 10 second barrier on 100m. the womens record is an entire second behind the male record. which might not sound like a lot to the guy in the video since he knows nothing about sports but 1 second in sprinting is gigantic. and that is the best female sprinter on the planet. its pretty much the norm now for male sprinters to break 10sec in the olympics nowadays

[@mrman-yj3bn]

"You're opinion on trans sports is wrong.... what sport do I play? I don't do sports lol, their boring" every trans sports advocate ever.

[@shanemac1646]

I’m not even opposed to letting trans woman In. I am opposed to lying and this dude couldn’t stop

[@georgecash4584]

Start a trans league, & with them being so inclusive, let anybody join. Men, women , gay , straight , trans,everybody. Equal numbers representing each. Only way it will ever work. Leave men & women's sports alone

[@Cowz19999]

"There are not enough trans people to start a league of their own". Then there also aren't enough trans people to cater to them or make this a big issue. They can continue to compete with the league based on their SEX. The leagues were split on sex, not gender. It only takes 1 trans dominating women's sports to cause an issue and destroy sports for women.

[@xXanderx87]

"Then there also aren't enough trans people to cater to them or make this a big issue. They can continue to compete with the league based on their SEX. The leagues were split on sex, not gender." This (first part) is an opinion- it has nothing to do with the proposition or counter. The second part is just stating the obvious. This statement is based on how you FEEL. "It only takes 1 trans dominating women's sports to cause an issue and destroy sports for women." - So we do it by sex. Then transmen start destroying women's sports. I dont really have a position on this or care either way, but both of your arguments are flawed. Unless your position is that transpeople shouldn't compete at all.

[@Cowz19999]

@@xXanderx87 " So we do it by sex. Then transmen start destroying women's sports." Exactly. Let's do that. They choose to take hormone suppressors, let them suffer the consequences of their choices, like everybody else does. I think you meant "transwomen", btw. Transmen would still have no chance against cis men. "I dont really have a position on this or care either way, but both of your arguments are flawed. Unless your position is that transpeople shouldn't compete at all." Based on what logic? I said the competitions are based on sexual differences so each sex should compete within their own category. Do you have issues with reading? Males compete with other males, females compete with other females. Is this concept hard for you to grasp? On my first argument, if you are such a small minority that you can't even justify your own league, why are we even talking about this? I have vitiligo, a similar prevalence rate as trans. Why should normal people adapt to me? Why should they cater to me? We make up such a small percentage. Accept you are abnormal and move on. Stop being an absolute b*tch about it.

[@dickgrason2688]

@@xXanderx87 not really, trans men would never pass a drug test and would never be able to play

[@xXanderx87]

@@dickgrason2688 that's another topic. And a worthy discussion . But if we are just abiding by "sort it by sex" you end up with trans men in women's sports .

[@jetjet6560]

That walkback at the end of their conversation, perfecto!

[@jeremias-serus]

Confidence. Something most of these online losers lack.

[@5milemacc737]

The worst thing is ppl say “the irony is ___ or the ironic part is _____” and then go onto to say something that is not ironic at all triggers me beyond belief 😂

[@jayfron6012]

These people are such narcissists “When you say something that gets blasted out, the politics space is gonna have to do something about it”

[@craigpoer]

Do they really believe there is no difference between male and female? I was always told I was stupid if I said something dumb. Maybe the past was just mean. The earth is still flat I hope

[@sb848]

Karenesque

[@scarletsletter4466]

This was painful to listen to as a female athlete. Notice how it's always so-called progressive males who are advocating to eliminate female sports & other female spaces. Don't you think if there were no differences, we'd be playing in male leagues & wouldn't need female leagues? I played NCAA tennis & I can tell u that at higher levels, women's tennis is a completely different sport than men's. The Williams sisters & Navratilova have said that, almost word-for-word. We used to give tennis camps to hs boys & practice with them. Their serves were so much more powerful, they could easily win against some of the best college girls in the country

[@bradmiles1984]

Yep Serena said it before "If I played Andy Roddick he'd kill me"

[@mysticonthehill]

Well just want to chirp in that while it might always be lefties, there are lefties with you. Like myself and appreciate women's sports and their right to them.

[@lh2435]

It’s really weird to me how a guy who constantly swears and puts other people down accuses this softly spoken and considerate dude as someone who puts people down and creates toxicity.

[@BCNeil]

ALL trans activist seem to need to swear as much as possible. Its kind of strange.

[@ditkovichpaysmyrent]

@@BCNeilit’s autism

[@Tavat]

I’ve seen hundreds of Destiny debates. And honestly, this is among the most impressive. The amount of restraint he had for all of this guy’s consistent unhinged demeanor and blanket insults. And the perfect retorts and turns of conversation and Socratic thought experiments-I’ve always been impressed, but he kinda leveled up for me for this one. I thought it would go south early, but he made it into some quality content. 👍

[@Eddgarur]

In Sweden we train girls and boys the exact same way and from the same age in soccer and the difference is huge as soon as puberty really starts! This guy is delusional.

[@derekcampbell4209]

“Let’s just abolish sports until we can figure it out”….. Jesus Christ…. I’m not some meat head jock athlete but imagine banning sports or any league from playing while this gets sorted out. I’m sure the very tiny amount of trans people would LOVE their respective sports and fellow teammates and athletes to not be able to play/make money because of this… No way that backfires and makes people resent or dislike trans people.

[@callmedoc6294]

I don't think this dude understands that it only takes ONE person to take first place. ONE unfair advantage can topple an entire competition.

[@bradmiles1984]

Lia is proof of tha or look at transgender women setting world records in powerlifting or those in track.

[@pinkystenis8247]

​@@bradmiles1984 I guess you missed the trans powerlifter who didn't get gold at the Olympics. Actually... Can you name any trans Olympic gold medalist?

[@bradmiles1984]

@Pinky Stenis you do realize world records are often set outside of the Olympics? There were multiple records set in pro female powerliftong by Trans athletes, which then the governing body revoked. One record was set literally less than a couple months ago. It was reported in many news outlets.

[@bradmiles1984]

@Pinky Stenis no I can't name any because they are much more highly regulated in the Olympics then most pro organizations. Also most world records aren't done in the Olympics especially when it comes to powerlifting. None of what you said invalidates my statement.

[@coltonfrancis9726]

@@pinkystenis8247 that person wouldn’t have even fucking qualified for the men’s league, and took a woman’s spot (who trained HER whole life to be there)

[@lowserver2]

its so crazy to me, that people think transitioning pre pubescent kids is somehow acceptable

[@heyheyhey0220]

What do you mean by transition? Destiny and the guest are both misspeaking. Puberty blockers cannot be administered before puberty begins because there’s nothing to block at that stage.

[@lowserver2]

dont get lost on technicism, kids are being administered drugs to stop the correct and healthy secretion of their corresponding sex and development hormones@@heyheyhey0220

[@TheEvilKingStan]

I love how these people work themselves up when talking about Destiny and when they finally come in hot to dunk on him, he calmly engages with them and makes attempts to cool the conversation down to the point where they relax on their stance of him. It's almost like the perception of Destiny is triggering to them yet when they come face-to-face with that entity they realize that he's a rational human being capable of having a casual dialogue over a disagreement. Maybe he's not the most toxic part of twitch.

[@sethshaw5680]

There is no productive way to argue with crazy.

[@hush5717]

People who have this take have never played comp sports before I swear

[@hush5717]

@Lydia I swam which allowed me to practice with women and while they tended to have better endurance than men in terms of time overall time it felt like men were just faster. Not to say women aren’t fast it just felt like the time required to get to certain speeds felt shorter for men than women after puberty.

[@Winasaurus]

It's actually pathetic how they can't defend their positions on their merits for more than 2 seconds. Immediately deferring to "But the humanity" and "But there's so few of them anyway" and "I just think how you said it was mean". Also, "If there's so few of them they won't affect sports", do you not see how that is the identical argument to "Trans people shouldn't be allowed to play ANY sports, period. What's the big deal, there's so few of them, they won't affect sports." How can you be complaining that trans people in sports is such a big issue you have to literally destroy millenia old judging methods, and then in the next breath say they're not a big deal at all, and won't even affect sports whatsoever?

[@bradmiles1984]

It only takes 1 to effect a competition. Lia is proof of that. That one person taking 1st bumps everyone else down a spot. In sports where winning makes the difference on things like making the olympics or going into pro sports that's not fair.

[@opmike343]

Imagine working for decades to get leagues set up for women to have a place to compete, and then us tossing all of that aside in the name of "progress."

[@badmuddafadda]

And, if a woman does any pushback that means she’s a literal Nazi.

[@bigpapi6688]

It’s like the process circle. They’ve become so “progressive” that they’re really just regressing

[@misterkurt6867]

You can literally hear in his voice him choking on soy.

[@johnmorris8444]

Isn’t it weird that you can tell someone is morbidly obese just from their voice?

[@vihreakuula4319]

@Lydia i mean being fat is a choice and it shouldnt be encouraged so doesnt hurt imo

[@user-cd4ms6cf8l]

@@vihreakuula4319 in some cases yes, but let's not pretend its not more complicated than "its their choice"

[@vihreakuula4319]

@@user-cd4ms6cf8l if you eat less you will lose weight guaranteed, it is often a food addiction

[@xero964]

@Lydia Alright I'll push back on this. You're doing the cringe "blame the system" take. Do you think we should shame someone for being transphobic, or do you think that people are transphobic because they're born into a system that causes them to be so therefore we can't shame them? if you think we can, then why?

[@MUSHROOMAN4]

Tell me you’ve never competed athletically in you’re life without telling me.

[@johnwinchester6934]

I have a genuine question. Have people convinced themselves reality is different than it actually is? Or do the people that argue these points just have never played competitive sports so they are ignorant? As someome who played collegiate basketball in NAIA the majority of large aau/ highschool boys teams would demolish even the best womens collegiate programs.

[@scarletsletter4466]

Idk, but I'm wondering the same thing. Why are so many of these guys denying reality? I played college tennis & we'd do high school camps & practice with hs boys. These boys had serves so much more powerful they could win against some of the best college women in the country. Don't u think if we were physically capable of playing against men, we'd be playing in the open leagues where the big money is?

[@magicdragon9621]

@@scarletsletter4466 Exactly. This is stuff we shouldn't even have to have a conversation about because it's obvious. They had to have never actually competed against women physically in anything, which is kinda worrying that it's misinformed their perception of women's strength so much

[@johnwinchester6934]

@@scarletsletter4466 That reminds me of that David Letterman clip where Serena Williams said she wouldn't score a point against Murray and that men's vs women's tennis is basically a different sport. Both Letterman and the audience were like in disbelief hearing that. Then didn't people freak out when McEnroe said she wouldn't score a point against the lowest ranked atp man?

[@killer3000ad]

That is the current trend these past few years. Trans advocates are screeching that transwomen are women and should be allowed into traditionally women-only spaces.

[@william4996]

My fiance is 2 inches shorter than me and weighs 20 pounds less than me. We are both slightly overweight. We both did some weight lifting and did the same amount of sports at the same times in our lives. We've goofed around and wrestled before and compared our strength and speed. I absolutely destroy her in every single comparison. I truly think these people have never interacted with the opposite gender in any competitive way, even on a tiny scale like this.

[@Paragonofcynicism]

Anytime someone says "it's a small number of people so they won't take up the whole sport" you should respond that the same can be said about the population of professionals. The population of professional athletes is less than 1% of the population of athletes playing the sport. Not JUST 1% of the population, but less than 1% of a subset of the population. So it's silly to bring up how trans people are such a small amount of people. Well if 1% is an accurate representation of trans people guess what, in America that's 3.5 million people, 1.75 million trans women. That's enough to fill multiple times the position of every single professional female athletic position.

[@UFCSTARS]

Serena Williams who is the number 1 greatest female tennis player ever lived said, she would get destroyed by any male player who is ranked in the top 200th places. She knows this because she uses semi-pro men to train with and they push her to her limit...she nearly got cancelled when she brought this up over whether it would be fair for trans to compete against women. She said: "Hell no!"

[@OmniDan26]

I feel genuinely scared for this guy's daughter. He sounds abusive.

[@coltano9436]

42:36 lol I had the same reaction as Destiny. 😂 How do ppl still not understand how much stronger biological male athletes are than biological woman athletes?!

[@derpestarzt]

He thinks it's just bc all the girls were playing with barbies instead of doing dead lifts

[@zacharychristy8928]

Brave choice to immediately go after someone's physical appearance when you sound like the physical version of the soy face meme

[@lochekt3837]

This is why people that never watch sports or probably play sports when they argue about this are pure cringe.

[@viero13]

I'm a big fan of the different tone from Destiny here. It spells a productive direction for things.

[@felipedidio4698]

The "there are studies that show that trans women are competitive with men" line is so funny. How can you say that and not admit they have an advantage compared to women?

[@Harkruel]

I feel like these people need a real example of the difference between just an average dude and chick. And then the difference between an Olympic level athletes

[@jluzin]

Dude has the talk, chills out, offers to chat again in the future, then a few days later starts talking shit on twitter again. These people are fucking insane. I feel bad for hist kids, tbh.

[@nomduclavier]

I feel for his daughter if he thinks excluding all women is worse than excluding all transwomen. Hm, wonder why they're considered more important?

[@swig_gigolo]

32:08 looked it up as he said it cause even I was like huh but yeah not enough body fat and bodily functions shut down for everyone but it starts at higher percentages for women including menstrual complications and fertility issues “The more you know”

[@junkjouster]

It seems like this guy just got a on the internet and he is shocked at how toxic people are. Everything just went over his head. Its like he is arguing with just the information on the first page.

[@Pilot7766]

Im a right wing destiny viewer. I may agree on his take here, but I disagree with a lot of what he says. Though that is the case, i still enjoy watching because he is insanely smart despite me thinking he is wrong on some things.

[@tristanmeadows]

my condolences.

[@spht9ng]

I'm curious. How much to the right are you? Like milquetoast neocon? or populist nationalist? or ethno-nationalist groyper? I wanna know what a right-wing Destiny viewer is like.

[@lordswaine5238]

We'll see that's the thing holding Destiny back. His continual capitulation to the trans community is why all of these arguments end up going in circles. 1 + 1 = 2.

[@Max4Z]

@@spht9ng those are ur views on people who are right leaning? 😂 I’m sorry not trying to be mean but but I just hope u don’t automatically think people are racist for being right wing - coming from a minority conservative/moderate

[@spht9ng]

@@Max4Z that’s not the only conservative I listed. I know there are plenty of decent conservatives out there who are not bigots

[@5milemacc737]

How is this a real person??? Is he LARPing??? Wtf bro.

[@sirwhodison]

One thing I hate about all the “hated” ppl in our culture now days..is they go “oh they just hate us no matter what” they never wanna admit that ppl r annoyed with them for genuine reasons most the time. They convince themselves they’re just these innocent angels and pure victims when rly they are messing with ppls lively hood, sports, jobs, safety, privacy, lives period then pretending they did nothing. For example a certain group of ppl moved into my apartments and ever since that group has taken over predominantly, it’s become so dangerous. Tons of robberies now and doors getting kicked in (this is a very nice complex too) they sell drugs in the parking lot and smoking blunts in the hallways showing zero respect and letting their dogs poop in hallways. There’s trash littered everywhere, they never make their kids show respect the kids cannon ball into the pool splashing everyone and yelling super loud so no one can talk, and will scream all night keeping everyone awake. And the few ppl who stepped up to ask them to stop doing these things were screamed at and called racist..now all the white ppl are too scared to call them out cuz they are scared they’ll be called racist just for voicing legitimate grievances. It’s illegal and racist to be honest now. And not all ppl are like this but for the ones that’s are it sucks

[@SmilingDesperado]

These conversations are insane. How do these people have children and spouses and not understand BASIC human physiology, at least anecdotally ? This guy can't have ever played a sport in his life to think that women could compete with men in football of all sports. Go wrestle your wife and tell me that she has just as great a chance of beating you as you do her. We are not the same when it comes to things physical. It's nuts that people can't acknowledge such a basic fact

[@pontiusthepilot]

If destiny makes a cult he should call it “Pepe’s Gate”

[@User71956]

I think Destiny’s Gate has a better ring to it. It sounds like something a cult leader would come up with.

[@jerichojones2722]

destiny is definitely one of the smarter people online overall, but i think its kinda hilarious when panels will refer to him as the "master debater" and make him seem like the final boss in a soul's game when really his most common tactics to dismantle arguments is shit like "can you give me an example of the assertion you just made" or basically just being like "proof pls" lmao. imagine if everyone came forward with a well thought out argument that they proof-read themselves instead of just having their brain shitting out a thought and then thinking thats all they need to come online and debate it.

[@TheMarkSasuke64]

He still a great debater, but you're definitely right. Most of the idiots he debates crumble under a basic ass request for elaboration. It's like they realize they're full of shit halfway through too. It's bizarre.

[@gosuckajd]

This dude walks it back right at the end. Classic Destiny bad narrative

[@praketak47]

What's the guy's name?

[@rtmordecai1]

@@praketak47 is this Chudlogic

[@zachball2428]

@@rtmordecai1 chud logic is british

[@sumbigdumkunt]

Not ChudLogic, it’s some Jason dipshit. He was the loser who rage quit from the trans sports debate.

[@proudtobeme1ashkente]

@@praketak47 ChadNotChud or delaniac.

[@jayfron6012]

Im so over this online group of politics streamers/tweeters. I used to try to explore a few of them and watch in good faith for good points/convos, but its literally all of them parroting the same phrases and sponsoring this narrow idealistic window. Its just way too emotional, and comes off creepy the way they judge someone with a different take as “problematic/transphobic/fascist/etc” and wont have a fucking conversation

[@Puzzlesocks]

@Lydia I think that's a little bit uncharitable. It's not that no one is looking for answers, and more that these people aren't willing to look at evidence to change their mind anymore. The good thing about Destiny is that he is willing to talk to anyone, so sometimes you get interesting discussion. The bad thing about Destiny is also that he is willing to talk to anyone, so often you get discussions with braindead emotionally driven losers.

[@ijclnl48]

When he said that if only women and men were brought up in the same sports, there would be more parody among them.. women grow up playing basketball and running track and 100% of them are worse than 100% of men doing the same sports. It's really not even a conversation

[@MrTomaat23]

Nah it's just because society... 😂 I can't believe this is not the most know statistic out there. I mean i'm the least interested in sport, but thoroughly understand why sport are segregated. I also guess that many on the far left somehow don't understand how deeply rooted sport is in American society and how a transathlete outperforming women will always give enormous friction. In that regard i guess Destiny has it wrong and people arent all to happy with transkids in highschool sports either.

[@asw654]

Destiny: People keep banning the right from social media so all I'm just arguing with leftists now. What do you expect? Heated Leftist:

[@gmxealot6236]

Leftist says Destiny is in a cult 🤣🤣🤣

[@Telthar]

Dude has literally never played sports or possibly even seen sports in his entire life. Imagine allowing someone with zero interest or knowledge of sports decide how sports should be setup.

[@wvance0316]

Well, we know why his metal band failed if he was the singer. He is the least metal person I have ever heard of with his takes on the world. Also, he is super bad faith with his take that he doesn't think that women need a space to compete if they want to be at the top because men, in general, will always take those spots in an open league. It is why he runs from the NBA point because he can't explain why WNBA players would never play in the NBA when they have the right to apply. It is because they would be so bad relative to male players, no team would hire them as it would hurt their team and they know it. These women are competitive, yet he treats them like they are damsels in distress that are afraid of society telling them no. If the female shit talking about how they are just as good as the boys and deserve the same pay has shown anything, they are not afraid of making hot takes against society. The reason they rarely try to compete is it is super embarrassing when they get stomped and makes them feel like losers. That is why we made the league for them, so they can be winners, and because any common sense person knows this is a good thing.

[@sri5086]

finally an actually sane political streamer who is a centrist

[@S.A.N.503]

These arguments are so ridiculous. I honestly don't understand how people can genuinely believe that trans women don't have an advantage in female sports.

[@cjfeather]

This guy speaks with emotion and feeling and is not thinking about what he is saying, this is the problem letting feelings get in the way of what is right and what is wrong.... It's like dealing with a child stamping his or her feet when you say no to them...

[@Sabotage_Labs]

That is spot on Destiny. As a hockey player, my body may have been it's most strong at 19 and testosterone the highest buy... I played my best in my mid 30s because... I was a much smarter and experienced player in mid 30s. I was also much more mature...which is another point. Girls tend to mature earlier than boys. Men and woman are different and there are reasons for this. Primarily evolutionary. The fact that society has been pitting us against each other is so counter productive and ignorant. The differences between men and women aren't in competition. They are to compliment each other. The two make one. The best possible person by using the best traits of each other and mitigating the weaknesses.

[@trock7542]

Transitioning minors should be incredibly rare like 0.1% of the 1%