Facecheck S02E27 - Was Samira Released Intentionally OP?

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00:00 Intro
03:05 Worlds Play-Ins
04:53 Caster Roster for Worlds
12:16 Munchables joins
17:00 Late night schedule of Worlds
19:15 LPL English broadcast
24:00 What does LPL need to be better represented
27:05 IG and FPX struggles
29:30 Team's perceived strengths before Worlds
37:00 Chinese players of interest
45:20 Play-Ins Deep Dive Group A and B
1:00:25 Main Event Group A
1:05:01 Main Event Group B
1:08:15 Main Event Group C
1:20:15 Main Event Group D
1:32:40 Samira Release
1:37:25 Ender's post about champion design approach
1:43:30 Dom's "middle ground idea"

[@Munchables]

Cheers for having me on guys! Was awesome to chat League with you all. PS. Kanavi is gonna show Canyon the meaning of pain.

[@DaichiNoKamii]

I used to watch you do Vainglory esports so much back in the day. So happy to see u on LPL prodcasts

[@Munchables]

@@DaichiNoKamii that's awesome man, thanks for the support all this time!

[@Munchables]

@Nicitel You're far too kind mate, but thank you. Regardless of who's on the show you should give it a watch next year mate, the games are just nuts, it's unreal.

[@pranavkartha5945]

Kappa

[@willsantos9090]

Cheers from NYC! Fantastic job on the show, and I truly look forward to seeing you (fingers crossed) casting Worlds in 2021! I'll slide you a follow on Twitter :)

[@Phophos]

When Facecheck features more LPL casters than Worlds.

[@xelloskaczor5051]

Noone cares about lpl casters tho. And noone will. Personality and exposure are more important for views than expertise or talent Thats before usual leauge nepotism

[@PlastikGUbilationz]

Xellos Kaczor I guess you mean popularity when you say personality? Cus the LPL casters have great fun personalities the couple of times I’ve tuned in to the stream.

[@ItsCronk]

Xellos Kaczor Maybe if Riot cared, some exposure would make that a possibility. Think before you write.

[@TheArrivalCyberse]

I always love seeing LS in his Shadow realm. This facecheck group honestly revived my love for League, we have the crackhead, the mordekaiser ult dweller and an honest to god kind man who tries to see the best in everything. They make a great trio.

[@shaise]

I find him annoying

[@blarblablarblar]

@@shaise I find that he makes Dom and LS more palatable for less intense people such as myself

[@badmoon710]

Dom has turned into the fucming Larry king of esports. He asks all the right questions and knows when to talk and when not to. Great job man

[@dobbs663]

yeah, he’s really coming into his own, gunna be a big personality around pro play for a long time

[@straightfromascientist]

For sure my favorite na commentator

[@vigilanterorschach2600]

@@straightfromascientist For sure my favourite crack dealer.

[@martinellgaard7071]

Jerry Seinfeld buff xd

[@joshie6213]

Haven’t been watching many of his vids lately, but I’m checking in and glad to hear the overall quality of his vids have been getting better.

[@themasterseye]

The thing I dislike about the champs they are releasing is they always seem to have pieces of their kit that they dont actually need. (Poppy had weird hidden stats, Tahm Kench, Akali, Irelia, Aatrox had a HUGE piece of his ult removed and still remained stupid broken) Why does Samira get a free micro dash and micro CC on targets her allies cc? There is no thematic reason, or mechanical reason she needs this for a passive, and she has enough damage and mobility to not really need the dash for trading or the knockup. They try to make these champions fun, engaging, and exciting but to do that they have to give one (or many) abilities these un-needed extra pieces which makes them broken and not fun engaging or exciting to play against.

[@JonglerLegoblob]

its thematic if you think about the champion being a dmc clone

[@1a2d09]

Yea I felt it was an odd part of her passive. Felt so shoehorned in. I feel like it needs to be removed too.

[@meknassimohamedamine82]

what are poppy hidden stats ?

[@themasterseye]

@@meknassimohamedamine82 They have since been removed. I cant recall off the top of my head Ill try to find them, I may also be mistaking it from another champ but I think it was poppy. I used hidden for lack of a better term, they were there for everyone to see, they just werent really needed and didnt make sense.

[@themasterseye]

@@JonglerLegoblob A dmc clone doesnt fit with her thematic apart from being sword+gun. Her voice, attitude, and backstory dont fit that thematic at all.

[@deejayf69]

Dgon: the new champ came out, his name is Samsung

[@Dilbergg]

Dom is by far my favourite League of Legends entertainer. I only watch him, League Esports, Travis Gafford, T1 and the occasional pro streamer now. But every video he makes I find myself wanting to watch

[@hoppowins7746]

“Don’t worry, on KZbin it’s edited” about that

[@patricknguyen9194]

Time?

[@M1ngsu]

13:14

[@RagtimeDandy]

DGon’s laugh is so contagious. Love this trio when they get together.

[@jasonsnitch7208]

Dom is the king of LoL content rn, change my mind. No reason to bring down others to show love btw.

[@kris-py9zd]

and tyler for sure

[@adamhenderson8690]

Also Yamatocannon. He has been smashing it recently

[@cremlindor6607]

It's the golden trio Dom, T1, Yamato

[@wreckfish3198]

This is a fact, and if u disagree ur delusional.

[@GEM4sta]

It's T1 and not even close. Guy is just BUILT DIFFERENT

[@fusianducks]

I'm in Nova Scotia. We've had 0 corona cases in the last two months and we still wear a mask every time we enter a public building.

[@tomhalsey659]

Good, keep it up!

[@eVill420]

that's amazing! We over here in Finland have had basically no cases the entire time, like we had a thousand cases total, but people in the bus and at uni are wearing masks.

[@Jypimeister]

Guess why there's no cases :D

[@ropyb5972]

Here in the Netherlands we have a massive increase in cases every day and people pretend that either it's an acceptable loss or that the people are being oppressed by the government because they have to care a little more about others :D

[@sungshineev8732]

@@ropyb5972 Also from The Netherlands here. People just dont give a fuck about it anymore. They want it to be over... Yeah... how you gonna do that when you dont follow rules...

[@Fabiocean2000]

I love how that podcast always feels like it's their first time streaming.

[@Zeroyue622]

Group D is what Dom been asked for the past couple of month, wild turkey vs jackylove

[@narwhaltitan8391]

PoE v Showmaker and Knight is going to be pretty fun

[@narwhaltitan8391]

Fuck I meant Chovy

[@feardatd7961]

wild turkey, my sides. but yeah, I remember him saying "Does anybody wanna see wild turtle vs jackylove? Anyone?" And "Wild turtle vs jackylove, ruff"

[@Zeroyue622]

@@feardatd7961 Yep, and that is the first game of the group stage!

[@luispuicon4895]

in 43:20 when they start talking about players that were abandom by his families, you can se LS reaction, because he lived something similar, you can feel it bro

[@ljdiaz91xD]

That feels. Ive seen his story video. I'm glad he is getting his opportunities.

[@Grape_TFT]

This was great- Thanks for having some LPL caster presence. I really enjoyed the LPL English teams for Playoffs this Summer. Shameless plus- I recently made a video series that explore these Play-In teams if you want to know more about it.

[@mavericx5206]

Where can i find broxas china account? or the stats of it dom talked about

[@leaguesofrito4671]

This is the most fun face check so faaar.. been laughing most of the time. Dom and LS is a very good combination. Man, this is fun.

[@MauriceGucci]

for Samira we have to invent a 300 years meme

[@bludelflink]

45 mins. announcement of 2 new podcasts. FaceDown and Crack Check - best moment of this episode. well done bois

[@chasewooldridge3069]

Finally. Been waiting for the show.

[@davidwilli5542]

1:45:50 i remember that post very well it was after the 10 millionth aphelios nerf that they made that post talking about how they fucked up awith aph and that they wont let that happen again and they praised themselfes that with the new champs released (voli and fiddle at that time) they had hit that mark of balance

[@JosephDelgadillo]

Facechek

[@meerkatzaz9240]

hackerman

[@yomuashia7627]

LS (Liking Song) claiming he likes the song so Riot doesn't fling the book at him.

[@madeinoz2751]

anyone know the outro song?? much appreciated in advance

[@tenarmurk]

So when's the crackcheck coming out ?!

[@Kanekixghoul]

Wait what happened to the crackdown????

[@drewd3801]

editor aint cut nothing .. he dont give af .. we getting it live and direct

[@takumifujiwara300]

After the LGD Shenanigans I'm pretty TSM can take few wins and force a tie breaker then goes 3-3 lose the tie breaker. XD

[@josehimself]

Yup. That's how it works.

[@timothymartin4759]

it was Lillia when Riot said they wanted to release champs at a balanced state... not all that long ago lol

[@Rommel12]

Clearly they gave up that experiment after 1 champ though.

[@masterdclone2172]

Tobias Magnusson well idc they did why would they want a champ with no player base. Lillia and asol combined have like half the player base of either Yone or Samira

[@TheMaxRobson]

Hey Dom, why aren't captions available on any of your videos? 😔

[@PassivesAbseits]

How can you not have any Casters from the LPL? Serious. Who else is gonna know the details and storylines of the strongest region in the World? I mean even LS probably has to do some homework now to catch up.

[@spring1242]

according to lyric Raz has watched every game of LPL summer which I believe since he's been live tweeting most of the games

[@PassivesAbseits]

@@spring1242 And Raz wont be present during the Group Stage or Quaterfinals. He did PlayByPlay during PlayIns, were one Chinese Team was sort of present.

[@razest8182]

Same question again Do you guys post this podcast on spotify ? Its easier to follow and listen to it there

[@CxerRy96]

54:30 His name is literally read Ananasich...like if you say Banana without the B and just add sick (read as like sich) at the end...it's because the Cyrillic N is written H, but it's the same symbol ...and yes it means little pineapple

[@kxiene9277]

Teams are only giving LS jerseys because of the woman’s cursed candles.

[@jarred4005]

They pray the matriarch doesn’t light one up for them lmao

[@TheMonkeyNinjaX]

allways cool when your home town gets a shout out! Derby UK!

[@Rayon811]

43:35 the same with GoGoing from OMG.

[@cloughy666]

You know what's not fun...... playing against an overpowered champ. Oh and yeah what's even the point of the pbe at this point.

[@Oblivion9873]

FYI dgon Ender was on playtest team for a period

[@drewmalekith4614]

Lillia was the first champion they tried the “balanced” release on a champion strategy

[@thedon6079]

The "AH AH trox" part had me laughing so fucking hard.

[@lockjaw563]

Dom: Editor wtf Editor: I did it for the content

[@awareclueless]

Facedown Crackcheck is my favorite podcast mom its quality content i swear!!!

[@Dildonion]

1:22:10 This is the closest thing to a victory NA will ever have. All of NA was given in this moment by Dom the beautiful treasure that is pride in one of our own.

[@OkaBridge]

Playtest team doing great work with Rek'Sai recently. /s

[@samuelbrionese278]

Dgon: The guy died, or really liked it, or something along those lines, but anyways... I was told we should call it by its full name. Dom: o_o

[@kelvintorres6142]

Why is LS inside mordekaiser ult for the whole stream ?

[@Adamoose]

Dom has the #1 league esports content right now

[@ryanbarrier6460]

When LS said say her name I fucking lost it and spit out pop LMAO

[@hoppowins7746]

Thank god this is not at worlds. Would be another pantheon situation where the champ has 100% ban rate

[@alessandroseverino8222]

But so will be Samira, unless the balance team strike her down right before worlds (and harshly)

[@luminous3558]

@@alessandroseverino8222 She isnt enabled and neither is Yone.

[@void4405]

Nobody gonna talk about 44:54 ??? Face down and crack check 🤣🤣

[@Gibbysaurio]

Nick "it's so fucking weird man" DeCesare Will "strange" Dominic and Dgon

[@gomjabbar6246]

Is DWG's logo supposed to be a pipeline register?

[@NiraSader]

Ah-Ah-trox Ayy lmao

[@chrispgaffney]

I like this munchables guy's attitude. Ham and cheese baby ;)

[@RAnDomMaN0394]

wait i thought you are not allowed to make ur IGN the same as names currently in the game like Doran or is it different in korea because they call it differently there?

[@raipanda133]

The problem I have with the Samira clip is all three champs land ZERO spells. After the Regi-Blue card from TF, Ezreal missed all his abilities. Karma casted a shield, and TF nothing left. It was 3 champions AA into her. Put Katarina here and it’s frame for frame the same clip. She uses all he spells, kills Ezreal, gets triumph, kills TF before he can gold card her and she know her autos do more, kills him, gets triumph then it’s just support Karma, who again, has nothing up. If Ezreal had landed ANYTHING on her, she dies and this clip never happens. If TF hit a gold instead of blue, she dies and the clip never happens. It’s a cool clip, but it’s one of those clips where the bad players made the star of the clip look good.

[@jonbell71]

“If lgd doesn’t make it out I’m a shit analyst” sitting 0-2 in play ins lol

[@sumonok7258]

LMAO

[@fabianreyes9082]

This didn't age well...

[@AerrihnStreams]

Worlds 2021 is also in china, so the LPL casters still have that Worlds that they can fight for casting spots potentially

[@ornnenjoyer8211]

Dgons Travis impression is actually fire

[@mistrevia]

49:09 Dom definitely getting burned for this xD

[@marshallclifton1329]

Oooh a new episode of Facechek

[@bearwolffish]

1:41:12 And all this time I thought it was to sell the champ and skin packs before price got reduced or people had a chance to earn them organically. lol

[@lukes7171]

Dom's new show about NA coming up. "Face down, crack up and slowly taking it from the Eastern teams".

[@Qfoxrythm]

so when we getting the crackCheck ?!

[@david_lam1666]

This series should be renamed as FaceDown once worlds started KEKW

[@NooobLP]

dgon hating on worlds collide? dunno, may be biased because i was inside the venue in S5, but i liked that song.

[@Wolta]

Everyone is released intentionally OP. So people can buy her with RP if they don't have BE. And then nerf her a month later.

[@NKrypt]

Lol there is no way Riot makes that much money from people buying new champions with RP. They just release champions strong so they get a good playerbase. If no one plays a new champ, the champ will likely have a low playerbase forever

[@giannidavies3594]

@@NKrypt Riot said somewhere im pretty sure that that was there intention in the past champs like irelia akali aatrox were so op after reworks and the same can be said for sylas and sett. I dont think they did it for RP from what ive heard they made them more on the stronger side so people would play them

[@ColonelMeteorz]

@@giannidavies3594 the aatrox one is accidental right, people where saying he was too weak so they had to hotfix buff him heaps, guess what lpl lck rift rivals comes along, they are using pre hotfix aatrox, the pros are just dumpstering with aatrox. turns out aatrox was busted but they couldnt wait for him to be picked up by the pros.

[@RomnysGonzalez]

It's all about selling RP more than anything. Is not about releasing a good design champion is all about make people thing is OP so they have to buy it.

[@lazarblanusa6622]

@@NKrypt that's why the release is soon followed up with a skin, remember how riven got a skin and a buff in the same patch

[@williamh.7097]

How Big of a bong rip did Dgon take before this 😂

[@FalcnPWNCH]

Samira was definitely released in an OP state - in the light of the Samira release I am personally 100% certain that Yone was disabled from Worlds exactly because of this same sort of fact, if Yone were to be available in Worlds I think he'd definitely be a highly contested pick/ban with the *EVERYTHING* his kit offers, kind of like how in Worlds 2015 juggernauts would fill the pick/bans in *EVERY SINGLE GAME*

[@XIKaMuIX]

Was "take over" the worlds song?

[@seren451]

yes

[@franciscos.2301]

I liked it, I'd never give it a 1/10 tbh. I feel like people bandwagoned against it pretty hard

[@dr.strange5419]

@Kijestic Productions production wise, the song is top tier. They put in a lot of good stuff. The harmonies and the usage of drums was the highlight for me. The vocal performance was meh but it's not that bad.

[@dr.strange5419]

@Kijestic Productions The song is pretty hype, especially with the video. You're comparing it with the other songs, which you shouldn't be doing anyways because they're aesthetically different.

[@franciscos.2301]

@@dr.strange5419 also, it was very much on the same style of RISE which is a big fan favourite so it was inevitably going to be compared to it, and since RISE feels more hype, it automatically loses for the general audience. I agree 100% that the instrumental is amazing, it's just the voice that isn't very hypey.

[@Slimcognito2012]

1:22:10 dom gets the big W

[@CriminallyRegarded]

Dom looking like NA's most active geisha

[@snepia]

Who's that unverified Caster? IT'S ENDER

[@snepia]

@@josephsmith23127 no?

[@Player-sk8df]

When the world's start on your 27 birthday. Pog

[@DALESPEER2]

ABOUT DAMN TIME

[@Zonicoi1]

Samira having no Ultimate Cooldown is wild. It reminds me of Ekko on release not having any mana cost on R. Makes no sense that they release champs like this just so they are 100% pick/ban on release, which i dont think should be how champs are made.

[@jarred4005]

I’ve had a server had his mask under his nose and when he talked, it would slip under his mouth and I was just like why wear a mask lmao.

[@MegaPalmere]

Dom seems to forget there's other continents than NA and China, for EU the times are acceptable it's around 11:00-16:00 for me which is okay, If you push it back for 4 hours.

[@vedranivancevic2953]

I cant wait for ls to cast

[@jonasjurgelevicius2121]

Well... Only 1 out of 9 people will have fun with these OP champs. 5 enemy players won't have fun for sure

[@nicholasleyden2120]

They were doing the bringing them out intentionally overpowered thing but stopped like 5 champions ago (or at least that’s what they said in all their dev corners)

[@cousin_of_dora]

Dgon my dude Darth Maul survives till after episode 3

[@Spooky1281]

Looking at that Bang Samira clip. it was a 2v3 fight where the enemy team misses literally all of their abilities and TF throws a blue card at a Samira with full conqueror stacks. the lifesteal is coming from conq, dorans, bloodline and the fact samira just didnt get hit at the back end of that fight. that's just a reset champ doing what reset champs do lol

[@kkomla]

For some reason i read "bang samira clip" and "2vs3" and got really confused. I was like "does they play a porn clip during the show?". And after reading it again i discover that i misunderstood the beginning of your text 😅

[@maciejurbanski7084]

What if this is 3000 iq tactic by riot to release only broken champs since zoe, because they knew there is no way to fix this game so they decided to add only broken champs to make this game like 5 broken champs vs 5 broken champs so its fair :D. To be honest it kinda sucks because old champions like udyr or annie have no chance to play vs this

[@Draedos]

Udyr is getting plenty of play atm

[@yst42]

Answer is Yes. Riot had even admitted this in FAQs

[@pedromoreira6218]

guess we can add an extra 200 years of game design to the people that did samira

[@Mokuyoubii]

El Dominico, Dgon, Ls...Thank you for the entertainment and the beautiful commentary. Facecheck is smurf as fuck.

[@ivantan1236]

Facecheck killing TSM fans one video at a time

[@disabledhorse6030]

Not really people can have their own opinions we will see when the time comes to worlds :)

[@vemundnygard1860]

What happened to the crackdown??

[@pavango3812]

I can’t believe they put Samsora in League of Legends

[@lucamogliazzi4596]

Ayeee the peach main himself. (Samira basically has peach combos)

[@pavango3812]

Luca LemonLord Yep except neutral is way easier

[@lucamogliazzi4596]

Pavan Go trueeee lol

[@aragorntjuh]

It's funny to me hearing you guys talk about masks, here in NL less than 1 in 100 wear a mask outside. That said people are wearing masks in public transport and old people homes because it's mandatory. Numbers here haven't been that bad since social distancing so I ain't complaining.

[@soccerfanbrock]

thanks guys

[@noahmoody4568]

The issue with the smash community was that every event was hugely under moderated and understaffed, plus the game attracts a lot of younger players to the scene, meaning you had a bunch of nerds in positions of power hanging out with a bunch of teenagers. Shit's fucked up

[@0kaiKai]

Samira's problem is in adc treatment. If she couldn't crit and lifesteal with spells, she would be just fine as lethality+dd solo laner. Rito's stupid idea of making every new adc overtuned is ridiculous.

[@1a2d09]

Every new champ*

[@aldecoadan]

I'm live in the south of México, 5 Out of 10 people still believe that corona isn't real AND 8 Out of 10 dont weare mask. AND the cases are going up again. I'm.a nurse AND im wating for the second impact.

[@th-mb6qs]

What did LS do to get banned?

[@tenarmurk]

Cheat in starcraft 2 I think

[@epicdeath2080]

As an aussie I wanna say that bottom 3 is probably too generous.

[@neorinne8066]

My cousin went to go play test champions at Riot. He has been hard stuck silver 3 so I'm not sure about the playtesters being high level...

[@mattbrown570]

1:38:00 Aphellios never had above 50% win ratio ever and he was considered one of the most imbalanced champs....

[@Frandahab]

They overnerfed him tbf, people just didn't understand how to play against him

[@eoghan375]

@@Frandahab I 100 percent agree they over nerfed him but who gives a f. They should just remove him from the game and pretend he never happened. Lame Ass champ.

[@philip2111]

Upload to spotify at some point please