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[@FactFiend]

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[@pr0z00m6]

Hey crew what would you name a remake

[@Ragnarok2kx]

One more thing about the hand. There's a scene near the end where he gets trapped and must tear off his hand to continue. However, they did it with his robot hand. It could've been a really meaningful thing with him questioning giving up the last remnant of his humanity, and it even kinda looks like that was the original idea for the scene.

[@lunalegion]

If only they did something meaningful in that shit reboot.

[@dashiellgillingham4579]

Oof. Can we get a few Fs in chat for creativity?

[@haggis0257]

So a painless sacrifice. Maybe if he used his robot hand to shoot the whole movie and had to rely on his humanity once more, but he shoots with human hand anyway.

[@steviegreenthumb4720]

@@lunalegion bruh yall say "shit reboot" like the robocop series wasnt always the corniest shit ever lmfao the fuck you mean

[@dangerousdays2052]

@@haggis0257 Nah mate, Robo uses his robot hand to kill, and his human hand for pleasure. 😏😏

[@Taygon45]

"Keep the right hand. We need a piece of him that cap keep people at ease. Like a handshake." Doctor looks visibly concerned before nodding and saying "I can try." Robocop later has a human hand that he uses as intended, to keep people at ease in a cheap facsimile to humanity, while keeping the symbolism of a drone still having a human piloting it. Later in the movie he needs to chose to sever the hand, his last bit of his human self that has been slowly erased from him over the course of the movie, a vain attempt in thinking that if he loses his hand he'll also lose himself to his creators. Later on he goes to retrieve it, noticing that there's no blood he takes the hand out of the crushed metal that trapped him before and realizes that the hand was also robotic the entire time. It was made to look human. And he realizes that while the machine imitates humanity, he doesn't need it to keep his real humanity. His mind and soul.

[@arcadeassassin7176]

This small rewrite would have made the movie 1000x better. I mean everything else about the movie would still be bad but this is definitely a step in the right direction.

[@Grizabeebles]

It's even better than that. Saving his right hand is also a set-up for the reveal that *Murphy is left-handed* and his human instinct is to draw and fire his weapon from the *left* side. This means that later on in the movie, Murphy shooting with his right hand is a tell that the machine is in control. My guess is that the symbolism was deemed too confusing for test audiences.

[@arx3516]

The remake makes murphy undergo the opposite process compared to the original, in the remake he gradually loses his humanity, while in the original he is remade into a machine and his human self slowly awakens during the course of the film.

[@hackerx7329]

"They made this to honor him" He wasn't talking about the face. He was referring to himself as a thing rather than a person to try to convince his wife that he really was dead and gone and there was nothing of him left in there. It is his real face and they made sure to include the scar from the bullet wound to the right side of his forehead.

[@Lazrael32]

yeah. sometimes people read way too much into things.... or too little.

[@thebenjaminrupp]

it’s not his real face, his whole head got blown up. they try to recreate it the best they can off of his skull, which is why the mark is there.

[@TheIronMoose]

Thank you for finally addressing the most aggravating part of that movie. The part that really killed me about it is that the hand isn't even really attached to the body, it has its own stand in the scene where they remove the suit. So it's like a Bluetooth hand, for literally no reason.

[@beartankproductions4192]

Another missed opportunity for me in the remake was the whole thing of the mask coming down shuts off his decision making part of his brain. Could of had a moment but no, just used it as a "beast mode"

[@EmeralBookwise]

I do wonder if there was some aspect of actor comfort involved as well. Having one hand free would make it easier to eat or use a phone while on set between scenes.

[@BaithNa]

The new Robocop looks too much like Cyclops from the X-Men

[@elpollo179]

I remember hating the human hand in my robocop reboot toy (I was a target audience child who ESPECIALLY didn’t get the flesh hand) it felt like my toy was defected and unsymmetrical

[@royrobinson2500]

people always give karl a hard time for going of topic but i am here for the crazy of topic rants they are so fun

[@Revytwohands-io6du]

kinnaman is underrated he's great in altered carbon, the killing, and hanna.

[@TheSamuelCish]

I hope to god Karl's Robocop ass tattoo is just "ROB" on the left cheek and "COP" on the right.

[@ZzrzZ2012]

Should have used action man's super grip to open the bottle

[@NP2238]

6:50 Robocop has the best use of the "Uncanny Valley" in cinema history.

[@fernandoalves3458]

The director of the reboot is the brazilian film maker José Padilha. He previously made Elite Squad and Elite Squad 2, two brilliant films about police and politic corruption in Brazil with a lot of bad ass action… I was very hyped about the Robocop reboot.. i’m sure it was so underwelming due studio interference..

[@CybershamanX]

It was supposed to be Murphy's real face in the original. He only said what he did to his wife to try and find closure with her. There's even the bullet hole still left on his temple from when he was "killed". If it was just a mask they wouldn't leave that in. You can even see the metal in the bullet hole. I remember a tech saying it was his real face, too.

[@MultiSteveB]

It strikes me that the hand is a pure case of management interference in a project, overruling the better choices by engineers because of ego.

[@malachiXX]

Time index 15:48, that is what I assumed it always was; a robotic hand with human flesh stretched over it. Otherwise it is a liability and how can it be expected to perform as well as the robotic one? It won't have the robotic strength necessary to rip off an ED-208's head; which happens in the warehouse scene. BTW, in the novel, one of Robocop's arms, possibly just the hand is still human. Or my recall of a book I read 30 yrs ago is off.

[@joshjones9749]

Bro answering the question that's been the splinter in my mind for years lmao

[@AdrianCooper-if5yl]

robocop poster is the coolest thing ive ever seen. i need one

[@PassiveAssassin]

I was thinking oh cool a new robocop movie, then Carl said 2014....i forgot that even happened.

[@knottheory79220]

I always thought it was weird you'd keep a flesh hand on a cyborg meant for difficult or combative situations. Talk about a body part that's both vulnerable and essential.

[@karstenschuhmann8334]

The aesthetics of the original Robocop is so similar to the Alita comics.

[@Demigod_3scrub]

21:00 dude I never knew that was a deleted in ID4 and I have the 2 disc special edition DVD . I haven't gone through all it's features yet though.. It's alot actually..

[@timbecks81]

Robocop was awesome 👌, loved it as a kid, I'd watch it over n over all the time lol...

[@geoshark12]

They avoided it because it was so relavent , can’t piss off the people who payed them to make the bad movie

[@James_Bee]

Speaking of movies with cut content that radically change a film: Kingdom of Heaven. The RS cut of that film is a completely different film.

[@DragonElixion]

It would have been better, in the remake, whie he was still acting human, for someone to say that he was just a robot and it was okay what he's doing when he hurts criminals, for him to respond, "But I'm not a robot, I'm me, and it's my hand pulling hte trigger, I make the gun fire." than to have the human hand as a metaphor.

[@plaguedoctorjamespainshe6009]

The director José Padilha, made the movie Tropa de elite (Elite squad) Wich is an ultra violent satire of the police and politics of Brasil and how both are tied to the crime and all that shit that RoboCop talked about but with it's focus on United States, while Tropa de Elite focused on based on real events take and how it is in Brasil So you would think the guy was perfect for an remake of RoboCop Because he basically made an similar movie thematically already, 2 times

[@joshuapaul359]

am i the only one that notice they switch which hand is the human hand when they take his body apart?

[@FutureDeep]

I'm sure in the remake Robocop picks up some evidence with his human hand, like a gun or something. He just gets his human finger prints all over it.

[@DrFranklynAnderson]

I mean if they were wanting him to appear more human than he is in order to assure people, it _would_ make more sense to purposely make him look like a guy wearing an exosuit instead of a machine with human flesh stretched over it. Not to justify their worse effects, mind.

[@joshuahudnell7401]

2 words, ROBOCOP COMICS

[@godoftwinkies574]

Sadly, most Verhovens movies got remade.

[@RyllenKriel]

The new Robocop costume looked so terrible I have never seen the reboot. The organic hand made it look like the actor took a lunch break, took off his glove to eat a sandwich and forgot put it back on for filming. I loved the original movie, it did not need to be remade. The designs, actors and script were fantastic. In addition to police militarization and corporation profit over people themes it also is a great retelling of the Frankenstein story. The film makers were very prophetic about future Detroit as well!

[@benjaminhaslam3152]

Well if you ever want to talk about a film being ruined by deleting scenes, Fury (2014) has to be mentioned. Basically the entire soul and all the character building of the film is removed. Such a waste

[@zenonella]

Since in this version he died due to a car explosion. Shouldn't the hand be more charred.

[@Norbert_Sattler]

The good thing about Final Fantasy X-2 is, that the so called "perfect ending" where Tidus comes back to life is optional, and you can avoid it by simply not hammering away at the buttons in a specific cutscene, which is my prefered way to play the game and achivements be damned. It makes no sense for me to bring him back. Also the entire game is structured as if Yuna slowly learns to let go of him, rather than chasing an unobtainable past and just when she finishes this jouney *pop* he's back. This really feels like the game was designed as Yuna's journey to accept realty and then in the last week of development, some excec demanded they make a "happy ending", so they threw something together in the hurry, that doesn't mesh with the plot progression, established lore or themes of the either the game itself or the previous one.

[@grantharriman284]

The original robocop INTENTIONALLY landed the human like characteristics as deep in the uncanny valley as possible. Better tech pulled it up out of that valley, and makes it less unnerving. The whole point was to be unnerving. Getting "better" effects ruined the intended effect.

[@charlations]

Preorders ended last Friday :V

[@Rex-ii2yz]

Is that Alabama Man?

[@kirbyeeco]

Will there ever be a fact fiend about the robocop cartoon?

[@movespammerguyteam7colors]

They kept his right hand specifically? I could see if they managed to save the upper right side of his torso with the arm included and weaved artificial muscle into his pre-existing right arm and armor plated the crap out of it. Or possibly have his body in a body glove suit that doubles as a muscle suit for his right side and torso. I feel like they unnecessarily over complicated the minor details.

[@nhband1t]

I miss when the editors edited the videos.

[@ChronoShadow69]

Deleted scenes that alter characterization: Anakin trying to get into the Archives to look into Force Healing to save Padme, only to be told that it's restricted to only those with the rank of Master... which makes his temper tantrum in the council less of him throwing a diva-fit, and more of an actual, justified frustration as another avenue of doing things the 'right' way is cut off to him.

[@fairystail1]

really? damn like the Jedi aren't great at the best of times but stopping someone from learning a healing technique for no good reason is horrible.

[@kingofhearts3185]

@@fairystail1 it's not force heal specifically, there's a vault called the restricted section that's only available to masters. It's filled with prophecies, advanced techniques, and almost everything about sith and the darkside. One of the old EU books mentions that this, along with the temple being built on a sith shrine, is how Palpatine clouded the order's vision and diminished their connection to the force. A monument to their hubris. Hence converting the temple into the imperial palace.

[@seasnaill2589]

What? WHY WOULD THEY CUT THAT OUT, THAT MAKES SO MUCH MORE SENSE!!

[@spaceengineeringempire4086]

@@seasnaill2589 they cut out a few hours of film. Mainly for time.

[@jordanturner7917]

@@fairystail1 Not for no reason. That which can be used for good can also be used for evil. Not everything that can be saved should be saved. It is against the code of the Jedi to interfere with life and death unless completely necessary. Only a master can make the determination as to whether or not something is necessary

[@Virtualblueart]

I absolutely prefer the original who actually had to reclaim his emotions and personality after the cyborgisation process. And in that one the dialogue "we managed to save his arm" followed by the angry and callous "lose it, we agreed on full prostetics." Made the OCP and its leaders instant monsters.

[@greatwargaming2924]

I prefer the original as well but I also like the idea of him slowly having his humanity stripped away as the company starts exerting more of their control over him. Idk it’s the difference of a robot thinking it’s a man vs a man who slowly realizes he’s a robot

[@fonztorres]

*Cyborgisation*

[@greathoonta3461]

Their entire idea is evil and makes them monsters though. Then attempting to make a loophole out of forcing a man to obey their every will in a robo body as an idea is evil.

[@joelwitherspoon930]

The fact he heard them say this between periods of consciousness is very dark and savage.

[@realwaifus5514]

It would’ve been fantastic to have them specify that the company wanted to keep the hand to show the public that it is the man that pulls the trigger not the machine, only to later reveal that the hand was fake the entire time and that any semblance of humanity had always been a carefully constructed corporate lie.

[@ianbelletti6241]

Not including it is like having a slasher film that doesn't kill the couple having sex or doesn't kill the black guy.

[@SomeRandomJackAss]

They could have used a similar effect to the face in the original for the hand, essentially showing that it's just a facade for (in-universe) PR.

[@afrolund80]

The most WTF cut scene ever. Terminator 2, the scene with John and Sara Conor removing Skynets learning inhibitor chip from the Terminator's skull. The execution of that scene is absolutely jaw dropping and it explains the final scene when the Terminator tells John "I know now why you cry."

[@Ron_Connor]

The Terminator inquires about humans crying in a different scene which has always been in the film

[@afrolund80]

@@Ron_Connor The cut scene is where John and Sara Conor take out the Terminators learning inhibitor chip "WHICH" sets up the later scene where the Terminator explains that he's learned why humans cry. I didn't say that scene was cut. I said the cut scene sets up that later scene which is not cut.

[@roughfoxy101]

What? That scene wasn’t cut. Unless the dvd release is different from the theater release. Every dvd I’ve ever seen of terminator 2 has that scene in it

[@afrolund80]

@@roughfoxy101 In the theatrical release they cutout the conversation where Sarah asks the Terminator "what's to keep you from going rogue" and the terminator tells her about the inhibitor chip. They just cut straight to Sarah pulling bullets out of the Terminator and John asking if the Terminator feels pain.

[@roughfoxy101]

@@afrolund80 huh, I feel strange I didn’t know that. I guess dvd’s have just spoiled me lol

[@voldlifilm]

The idea that the human hand represents the human pulling the trigger in drone warfare, which would THEN be revealed to actually just be a robotic hand made to look human would be an excellent commentary on how even those people pulling the trigger of the drones are themselves drones of a different kind in the military industrial complex.

[@roughfoxy101]

Genius idea

[@awakeindeath]

They said during the training bits that they intended the computer bits to make it feel like he was making decisions when it was in fact the computer making those decisions. So it was supposed to be a fake hand purely for pr purposes. He's not actually supposed to have any real humanity left. But in regards to free will, instead of organics

[@dcbandit]

I love how they brought back the green screen, but just as a prop.

[@j-asher]

In the original, they use Murphy's real face and put it on a metal skull. You can tell it's his real face because he has the bullet hole in the top of his head where he got shot.

[@quintonhowells299]

I love how RoboCop gives exactly what the title implies, but if that's all you get from the movie, then you literally missed pretty much the whole movie

[@lazrus01]

Robocop 2014 was written by people who were kids when the first Robocop came out and thought it was just a superhero movie.

[@NatsumenoKage]

No it was made by people who were not allowed to watch the move when they were kids. So experienced it through toy ads.

[@Peagaporto]

The sad thing is that they got the perfect director for the remake, and then completely refused to give him creative control.

[@hackman669]

Infidels, that is sacrelig to the original😡😤

[@tylerdurden788]

80s were an interesting time. ​@NatsumenoKage

[@Mechjoc]

I adore Robocop, always have. I sat down to watch the Robocop remake. Once it was done, I realized I didn't know the name of the people who killed Murphy. Only to realize... they didn't kill Murphy.

[@vxicepickxv]

You learn who killed Murphy at the end. It's called the credits.

[@Mechjoc]

@@vxicepickxv trick question. Murphy didn't die in the remake.

[@Grim_Beard]

The “They made this to honour him “ scene was Murphy lying to his wife, so she could move on. It's an act of sacrifice by Murphy, as well as his final acceptance that Robocop is who he is now.

[@9185productions]

In Robocop 2 when he says "they made this to honor him" he was talking about Robocop in general. Not the face. That's really Alex Murphy's face. It's got a bullet hole in it.

[@BellevueGhostbuster]

For deleted scenes: the Director's Cut of the Daredevil movie. That cut adds back in all the deleted things from the theatrical release, and while it is still not a great movie, it makes it a more watchable movie. Like when you watch it, you end up saying to yourself, "Why was that cut out? It explains alot."

[@kfox420]

Between all of the courtroom scenes that were added back in, and the removal of the awful love story, it's almost like a completely different movie.

[@occultnightingale1106]

I've got a friend who's an extreme RoboCop fan, and because of that, he sat us all down to watch all of the RoboCop movies, so we did. 1 was, as we observed, one of the most brilliantly efficient movies we've ever seen. Nearly every scene lasts exactly as long as it needs to for what it needs to do, easily one of the greatest films of all time. 2 was...a bit weaker, but still had an interesting dynamic of RoboCop becoming a bit too sanitized because of how advertiser-unfriendly his actual existence is. The villains were okay too, I guess. Then, we watched 3. Well...more appropriately, we got exactly as far into 3 as it took for RoboCop to show up on screen, and then we all quit, because he had literally become that sanitized, advertiser-friendly caricature that 2 had specifically mocked. After that, we watched the remake, and we were pleasantly surprised. Sure, it was cringe, it was soulless, it completely missed the point of the original movie, but we all pretty much agreed that, because we managed to finish it, we rated it higher than RoboCop 3.

[@Random.Task.Gaming]

My favorite deleted scenes that got cut are from Harry Potter Deathly Hallows with Harry saying his goodbyes to the Dursleys. The other cut scene that drives me nuts it wasn't included was from Revenge of the Sith were Obi tells Padme he always new about them, but turned a blind eye to it.

[@LukeStonePharmD]

The sound design in the original Robocop should have won every Oscar.

[@davehollis7452]

Always thought Murphy was a cyborg as opposed to a robot. Also would have thought even tho the new one had a hand, smart money would have it in an armoured glove when on task.

[@arcadiaberger9204]

He absolutely should be called CyboCop. That would be a good title for the knockoff film.

[@GaiashKetoji]

The examples I like to give about the shift between moments that work moments that don't are the big quote references to the original. "Dead or alive you're coming with me" - a line that works in the new context "I WOULDN'T buy that for a dollar" - a line that's extremely forced and out of place

[@henriklarsen8193]

Didn't they mention it was because it legally had to be a human hand pulling the trigger? I like both explanations and actually like the flick, though it is no original Robocop.

[@wwalton]

Same

[@Grizabeebles]

A few lawyers on KZbin have done videos on the legal ramifications of a Robocop having a human hand vs not having a human hand. Technically, if a cop with a robot arm shoots someone unlawfully, the victim or their family could potentially get around the Qualified Immunity doctrine and sue OCP by claiming the arm was a faulty product. Preserving the brain, the trigger finger, and the nerves between the two would make it clear that Murphy was in control of his own decision to fire his service weapon. At least up until OCP starts messing with his senses and deliberately using brain surgery to alter Murphy's judgement.

[@vitor900000]

12:29 I just realized that the hand is even worst than you imagine. You see the muscles to move your fingers are not in the hand, they are on the forearm. Since they only kept from the wrist forward the hand would no be able to move. lol. In short its not a hand its glove made of human skin.

[@neophenom]

The biggest issue with the Robocop from 2014 is that they changed a fundamental part without a script telling a story around it. Alex M. in the 2014 is basically an amputee, with a high tech artificial body. The idea that OCP is using him as a way to persuade law makers to change drone laws makes no sense. Alex is still very much a person, regardless of his artificial body. Therefore I don't know what story they are telling, at all. In the 1987 ver, Alex Murphy died. OCP used portions of his brain, and face to create a whole new cybernetic organism. A product to be controlled and used. All posible thanks in part to the privatization of the police force. We see the struggle as he regains a semblance of what he was, without actually recovering his memories or reverting to his original self. It tells a story about what makes up a person as Robocop becomes more than a product. It's also a tale of justice. The 2014 felt hollow, because it was. From the script level, it was directionless, despite creating a new premise that I found super interesting and compelling, but nothing came of it.

[@tpbloomfield]

I think the remake of Total Recall did something similar in changing a fundamental part of the original and it falling apart as a result; they removed the fact there were people with mutations. While it seems like a minor detail that you can surely do without because 'what does it actually add to the original?' it's actually absolutely vital to the plot. The entire reason they go through with the mind wipe thing to make Quaid the most convincing spy possible is because there were rumours the rebel leader had a mutation that let him read minds. Quaid HAD to not know so the rebels couldn't find out from him. The remake did away with the mutant aspect to make it more realistic and, as a result, the whole movie stops making any sense because why do the mind wipe in the first place??

[@CommanderRedEXE]

​@@tpbloomfield It also did such a good job making the end in such a way it makes you entirely question if it was real or all the "Blue Skies over Mars" simulation, all by simply ending showing Blue Skies forming over Mars then fading to black.

[@jovenc4508]

I would say the fact Murphy didn't die in the reboot makes it a bit more sinister because now he has to question whether or not his actions are his own or someone else controlling him like before. It would be a constant reminder that he isn't really "himself" any more.

[@YEs69th420]

@@jovenc4508 A more competent creative team would have ran with this concept and made something special.

[@neoqwerty]

@@YEs69th420 I don't know about any of the other scenes, but the unveiling of how much of Alex is left, as Alex sees his entire body dismantled, was really well done. It hit me right in the dread in a scene that, as a tech nerd, would have otherwise made me fascinated. The begging way Alex wants to be put back together nailed it with the horror and quiet despair after the building way the anxious disbelief ratchets up and up. That scene alone tells me that they were _capable_ , it's just that for some reason they somehow didn't connect that, the scene where he's made to run through sims and his thoughts are "adjusted for efficiency", and the whole... rest of the film together. Like if I showed you just the sim training and the reveal of what's left that's human scenes, you'd think it's a great film about psychological horror, body horror, and the concept of free will and brainwashing in service of a corporation-owned privatized police force paramilitary, but... The reboot somehow manages to take the old RoboCop, successfully _inverts_ the premise (rather than the soul and its humanity reawakening from the body's memory, it's the soul's memories reawakening humanity despite the body being missing), and then completely fails nail the REST of the commentary Verhoeven put in it.

[@L337P1R4735]

I had an edible for the first time a half hour before sitting down in the theater to watch this movie. My entire impression of the film is Samuel L Jackson screaming at me personally and the sensation that I was going to catch fire if I didn't stop vibrating. That said, I think I had a better time watching it than most people.

[@KilosFoxo]

all it took was being high

[@dutchvanderlinde2002]

Been there I had mushrooms and edibles for the last season of stranger things lol

[@BrickNewton]

Mushrooms and sitting near the front for The Matrix! Tripped me out.

[@dutchvanderlinde2002]

@@BrickNewton never thought of that 🤔

[@SunDryll]

Doing a video entirely about wrongfully cut scenes would be sweet!

[@arcadiaberger9204]

I have a recurring fantasy about a film called *_Deleted Scenes,_* which is made up entirely of deleted scenes -- some are actual deleted scenes from films (famous or obscure), some are faked (with CGI or just with actors doing an approximation of the original performers, or faked deleted scenes from animated films done in the original film's style). Some would be things like the CGI-recreated crevasse scene from the 1933 *_King Kong,_* or the CGI recreation of the unfilmed finale to Hitchcock's *_The Birds_* (with the car driving across a Golden Gate Bridge with thousands of birds perching on it) which ought to be filmed. Some would be comedic bits similar to the "alternate ending" to *_It's a Wonderful Life_* shown on *_Saturday Night Live._* Not sure whether it would have a framing sequence of people stumbling upon a hidden stash of deleted footage, or a pair of critics pompously critiquing the scenes, or if they'd just be a bunch of deleted scenes spliced together.

[@RazgrizXMG0079]

A good day to you and your entire talented friend group, Karl! You guys never fail to brighten up my day!

[@donweiss2326]

Looking up "Snowpiercer sequel" showed results saying "Is Snowpiercer a sequel to Wily Wonka and the chocolate factory" and now I am just confused why people think that o.o

[@MINIKRIGARN]

It is a fan theory that if I remember correctly had some good evidence but it will never be more than headcanon. I belive that he meant the series snowpiercer which I think is pretty great and it do go places.

[@jameswilliams2467]

Re: removing the arm in the original. Its not just that they didn't want him to have a weak point. The doctors are excited that they managed to save part of Murphy. They still see him as a human being that they are granting a new chance at life. Morton sees him as a product, an asset, something he can use to improve his life. Its how he views most people throughout the film, until he makes the mistake of seeing Bodicker the same way. Part of the larger commentary that greedy 80s businessmen were soulless and inhuman, which is ironic when compared to Robocop who was literally inhuman

[@Kitsune-Chaos]

As much as I hate to admit that I somewhat liked the 2014, I think it's more so because I just wanted to see Robocop continue to be made in modern days. My first ever video game was Robocop Vs Terminator -- and I just want more Robocop in my life.

[@scottneil1187]

You'd be better off watching the four films after Robocop 3 and the TV show, they're bad but still better than the remake.

[@frankgelder8519]

​@@scottneil1187 there are 4 MORE films after Robocop 3????

[@Tismdylan]

Please explain?!​@@scottneil1187

[@Kal27017]

The one thing the reboot does excel at is the sound design, I’m not an expert and can’t explain why I love it so much it just goes so hard

[@IndigoWhiskey]

the hand is even dumber than it sounds for one key problem. how much torque is that robot arm putting on those feeble human hand bones? yea that sucker is getting ripped off first time he needs to mobe faster than a snails pace, no bullets required.

[@missgreen101]

I reckon its a missed opertunity to have a hand thats freaky like the OG robocops face.

[@jinyuhichi]

i watched the film not too long ago, The reason they kept the human hand was a Political move. Because the main congressman who was holding up the ability to have drones working on US soil said that the People of the US wont allow a non human hand pulling the trigger.

[@tlroa]

The Robocop remake is exactly what you get when you let OCP mess with Robo's programming and he chastise's people for bad language leading to bad feelings 😂

[@MetalPcAngel]

"A man TRAPPED within a machine" That just boils it down what the OG robocop's vibes down to a tee.

[@moonwhooper]

I wonder if the high evolutionarys design is based off the og robocop

[@ZBott]

Joel Kinnaman is a good actor. You just have to put him in a film that doesn't look like everyone was eye rolling between takes.

[@farmboypersevere]

Like seeing him in altered carbon was was amazing

[@hyzenthlay7151]

I like how the conversation abiut the importance of human contact is juxtaposed by the fact the conversation is happening over a video call...

[@Azurek1991]

I was born in 91 and I remember having a Robocop toy when I was a kid. I never saw the movie back then, and clearly my parents didn't either.

[@paulconrad6220]

My parents for sure saw it. Still let me have the toy,lol

[@skulduggerypleasant262]

I’ve been away from the channel for a while, when did they stop posting images on the green-screen behind Karl? Is there a specific reason or is it just a random change?

[@Marshallreall]

I managed to convince my parents that your channel is an online class, so i can watch Fact Fiend instead of study Thank you.

[@missgreen101]

As an ancient bog lady i have to say: fuck yeah, you youngings are killing it

[@yeshua7238]

I will say the reboot had shouting matches between Gary Oldman and Michael Keaton, so in some respects it’s the greatest movie of all time

[@Lechuga1815]

I actually really enjoyed the remake. I think the guy off camera was getting close to another one of the themes which explains why they made him so human from the beginning. It's suppose to blur the line between human and ai pros and cons and how far should we should take technology integration going into the future. I think while both movies touch on each other's major themes, both movies stand on their own. Also, you could argue he looks more uncanny in the original, but I didn't really have a problem believing the 8ft tall skintight metallic man running at 30 mph was not human. Also also, as our own technology advanced, I think audiences would be suprised to see a robotic man move as clunkly and slow as the original did. I think modern audiences would expect the technology shown in the 2014 remake. While original was very cool, he didn't move very fast and was often out maneuvered.

[@TheMeJustMe75]

In the original RoboCop there is a line about him still having a human arm/hand and was told to remove it so his limbs were fully robotic. Found it interesting that they kept it in the remake. My issue with the remake is the fight at the warehouse. Murphy just waxes everyone with ease.

[@mylesfrost335]

i was ok with that "the human spirit" thing was what bothered me

[@Kremit_the_Forg]

The Directors Cut from Kingdom of Heaven! Sooo much better

[@ZheadMonkey]

Alex Murphy doesn't have a synthetic mask, it's his original fleshy face (you can clearly see the bullet hole) His comment of "they made this to honour him" was (I believe) directed at himself as a whole. ..which further hammers home the inhuman perspective.

[@jonnydarkfang2816]

I thought differently. He was lying to his wife, trying to save her the pain of thinking this was her husband. He was telling her it's a fake rubber face, "build to honour him" so that she thinks her husband is dead and can go on with her life. It was Murphy trying to spare his wife with a lie.

[@robogreek3157]

They made this to honor him... showed his humanity... he wanted his wife to be at ease. Him saying to her. I DONT KNOW YOU he said so that she was no longer tortured thinking what could be and move on with her life. He also showed humanity... showing comfort to an enemy that had tortured him because he knew he was a dying scared little kid. They really dropped the ball with part 2.. should of been so much better

[@szubal]

The Original Wicker Man has a totally different vibe, more on the creepy end. That actor played the original Equalizer :) Edward Woodward

[@scottneil1187]

Original Equalizer was awesome, loved the theme tune.

[@garycross228]

If the new RoboCop had a real hard and a prosthetic arm, how an earth do you get the blood supply from his heart to his hand? In one scene, you have just his torso and his human hand is separate while he is attached to a stand with pipes and cables coming out of his head and torso. How would you keep the hand alive?

[@timothyhurl3797]

I'd assume a solution that's essentially a fascimile of real, organic blood, just synthetic and capable of carrying oxygen and nutrients to the squishy hand, and using a pump system that's similar to the circulatory system, when detached it has its own little reservoir or is connected to a recreation of a circulatory system with a nutrient system attached to it to simulate a human body, but since the 'squishy' hand is an actual cybernetic hand covered in what I assume to be very lifelike synthetic skin or something, like the Terminator's living skin covering, there's no need to get a blood supply to the hand if the hand is fake.

[@PhilieBlunt666]

Robocop and The Thing are the best practical effects of all time! The Fly is pretty damn good too

[@antonfowler6582]

Dont forget the transformation scene from AMERICAN WEREWOLF IN LONDON the entire scene was done using " live effects "

[@GarrettZa]

In regards to the original face reveal, I love how the recent Guardians of the Galaxy 3 clearly tried to ape that with the High Evolutionary but even 36 years later, and 9 years after the reboot, it still looked bad.

[@TheBigfeet83]

pretty sure they had the handshake scene in the Australian release

[@olstar18]

I never heard that explanation before. What I had heard was that we can't make anything as sensitive and precise as a human hand can be. Before someone tells me how sensitive modern sensors are there was a test they did with a master safe cracker showing how sensitive his hands were by using various things in place of the tumblers he would normally work with and no matter how light the touch he was able to identify where it came in contact with the dial by touch.

[@moseszero3281]

Talking about networks cutting scenes... I saw Desperado on USA network. For those that don't know... USE heavily censored stuff... They cut out every cuss word and bloody gunshot in Desperado. I would like to see a comparison to the original because II think they cut 20% of the runtime at minimum...

[@alienatedpoet1766]

Fans tend to argue about the Alien eggmorphing scene like it contradicts Aliens and a "Queen Facehugger" But no. The Alien Xenomorph is meant to be the perfect predator. You'd think that each alien would have reproductive redundancies, it can live in space! We see older Xenos grow into Queens in extended media. I can totally imagine it's body response is "Welp, there's no queen near by, and we haven't reached queen-morphing stage yet, I need to turn victims into eggs!" Its like no matter what, even if there is a single Xenomorph left, it will find a means to reproduce. where there is one, more will always follow. That adds to the horror of how unstoppable they are. But nah, Alien fans will argue over the Xenomorph lifecycle.

[@ixiahj]

I wondered about that exposed hand. I thought it was a reference to the original. They saved his whole arm but cut it off anyway.

[@ripLunarBirdCLH]

I agree that the face design in new Robocop is a bad one. Also they could've made it better if his body revealed metal underneath that black exterior when he was being damaged by bullets or something. It would make it look less plastic. They could also improve that hand thing if his human hand was covered by a metal glove while in combat mode, just like his face is covered with helmet. Yes, it would make that drone metaphor less apparent but the metaphor would still be there because we, the audience, would know that there's a human hand inside that glove. And in the same time it would make Robocop look more imposing in the fight scene, without any glaring weakness. And we can assume adding a metal glove that can protect Robocop's real hand in combat mode would be no problem considering the level of technology in the remake. Heck. The glove animation alone could become the very scene that is getting the audience hyped before the fight. Y'know - the visor comes down and his hand is being covered by a glove - meaning shit is about to hit the fan. The visor coming down on its own is just too short for an audience to care.

[@Hanayama-san]

Deleted Scene from Doctor Strange in his battle at the end against Dormammu, there is a scene where Dr. Strange says something like "we've been over this 1,000 times" to let you know how many times Stange was killed by Dormammu and it looped back

[@jasonderp5933]

You bring up some good points on the human parts being a weakness, whats even worse and nonsensical is the weakness the Cyborg has to his human parts, Imagine what happens to that hand if he trips? Not even a fracture, it would be like dropping half a ton on a hand.