Factory/Happy Mondays ITV Schools doc 1988 [2/2]

Part Two of an ITV Schools "Information Technology" programme focussing on Factory Records and Happy Mondays during the making of the Bummed LP.
Part Two of Two. First part linked below.
Narrator: Bob Greaves.
Apologies for the tape quality which is poor in parts.

[@BioDieselEstate]

How heartwarming it is to see Tony Wilson looking so well, and being 'Mr. Manchester' in the manner that only he could be. It will be twelve years since he died: Blessings to his spirit. RIP Mr. Wilson. You're still sorely missed. 💔 England needs you now, more than ever

[@revol148]

I'm amazed at how great this band still sounds.I miss the sound of the early 1990's even though I was too young to go to any of the gigs at the time.

[@Jefferson1969-u4s]

Totally, uncompromisingly original. One of the best bands, if not the best, of their era. RIP Paul Ryder.

[@db0800]

HIs bass on the Halli club mix is like nothing \i've heard before or since.

[@PS987654321PS]

Only two years away from Pills 'n' Thrills and Bellyaches. One of the greatest albums of all time.

[@odyjamess]

great doc shaun ryder quote "You are what you eat and for many years I was a pie"

[@simoncunniffe9034]

God they were brilliant. I feel blessed thatni was 15 in 1989. Bummed changed my life

[@TheNeutralViewFromSwedenAKAHer]

Tony is on the blow, all the time. But mein Got, I love Tony Wilson and his legacy. Greatest cultural personality in Manchester in the last decade. Period.

[@flyingcrowbar1599]

The last decade! Quite a span of time.

[@robertloader9826]

Nah he wasn't mate, I worked there for a bit, not at all. An absolute gent.

[@whatamalike]

Imagine being scheduled to watch 'seeing and doing' after this finished and catching the glimpse of this. Bet it was mesmerizing, almost as much as the itv schools ident!

[@summerteeeth]

This school's prog (!) really does capture a moment in the band's history. I like that the Key 103 radio interview was the same day as the video shoots for Wrote For Luck, whose release as a single was detailed elsewhere in the show. Great viewing - thanks for uploading.

[@silverapples75]

I used to live in that building, 86 Palatine Rd. Love seeing it in old docs. What a fucking label, untouchable.

[@drstevie]

Fantastic . Chatted to Tony Wilson in HAC in '89, & Bez. on the dancefloor. Nathan seems like a top fella /manager. A lot on his plate,....ahead :)

[@marburyeducation]

I watched both parts and really enjoyed it. Thanks for posting............

[@Mushy72]

The big doorman look's like the dude out of pulp fiction

[@user-le6mx9gf6z]

WONDERFUL!!! All of it. Thanks for uploading! Will listen to the great LP Bummed now! that I bought on tape a couple of years after this…

[@jamesearl3389]

People dont just buy vinyl anymore. There's DATS! Love love love

[@3foria420]

this is fuckin quality gold , itv skool programmes would never do a documentary on the mondays nowadays hahah

[@2000stephenellis]

"The bands been interviewed more time than they can remember" .... probably just the once then ? ...

[@Kelly14UK]

> Why are you all with Factory? >> Cos no one else WANTS us

[@Edward1312]

Everyone is so strung out I'm surprised any decisions were ever made.

[@CapitalistHippiePro]

Shaun is really going for it during ‘Do It Better’. I really enthusiastic performance. Looks like he’s actually enjoying it

[@jasonpfinch]

33 pence for a vinyl LP, 40p for a cassette, 85p for a CD. £5 ('down from 7') for a DAT. Margins were way higher on CDs then and record company revenues went way up between the mid-80s and the mid-90s.

[@teodelfuego]

Guitarist Mark Day is the undisputed force behind the Happy’s sound. He doesn’t even have a Wikipedia entry while pages are written about non-musician Bez

[@999columbo]

100% Agreed, Cow never gets the credit he deserves. His original guitar riffs dominate the Mondays tunes.

[@peternagy-im4be]

Bez is a top percussionist my son.....

[@waynej8137]

seeing and doing follows shortly

[@drumgold23]

No mention of the inner sleeve.....

[@NOWtheband]

At a guess, I suppose a daytime tv programme aimed at schools wouldn't be able to show that or, judging from what looks like front-cover-art lying on the table, perhaps the inner sleeve hadn't been done at the point of filming (I also didn't notice any back-covers with track-lists either).....

[@danwoodvine5900]

I loved this ITV SCHOOLS!

[@timhall3575]

CDs cost .85p per unit to make in 1989. That's just the CD itself - add plastic cases and simple inserts and you were probably looking at £1.25 per unit / CD to manufacture. They sold in the shops for upwards of £12. Sometimes more... actually closer to £14/15. If you sold a lot of CDs back then you made a LOT of money - even after the distributor took their 20% or whatever cut....

[@iggypopisgod9]

.85p was Factory using a third party. Larger labels manufactured themselves, even lowering costs significantly. In the states at their peak, including taxes, etc, they reached near $20, close to double that of an lp

[@timhall3575]

@@iggypopisgod9 Indeed.. most indies in the UK use third parties to look after their manufacturing - Key Manufacturing in the UK for example. You're right... CDs double the price of LPs for years... DECADES!:)

[@busterabcat]

@@timhall3575 and now of course it is the other way round with vinyl being MORE THAN TWICE the cost of an average CD, and being deliberately inflated all the time because of its overhyped 'hipness' quotient, plus the extremely expensive manufacturing /raw material costs, which of course is the biggest swizz for all those who originally bought everything on vinyl to begin with.

[@karlmeadows4986]

Yeah cd,s in there prime made the company's pure money

[@RaolDuke76]

Martin Hannet,..too big for life and too big for death, as his coffin wouldn't fit in the hole dug for it,!!,. Great producer, great manager, insane owner, more insane band members,.. total anarchy, fuckin love it,!! Man when I was 14 Pills N thrills was just blowing up at high school, bring bk them 90,s choons, N drugs N fashion N even the way the football was,...so glad I was at that right age, what a time to be young and alive

[@ascno1970]

and the rest they say is history .... 👏

[@leedummett4412]

nathan was a top manager. thanks for upload.

[@lucasm3879]

Bez didn't like him. He moaned about him a lot in his book.

[@busterabcat]

01:15 "Why has there been such a long gap since the last LP"? Fookin' hell, get a grip will ya, Mr. Key 103 Interviewer!! Their last - debut - LP came out in May 1987 and Bummed was released in Nov 1988 - hardly Stone Roses dimensions is it? These days that would be considered a tiny gap - bearing in mind how much faster years pass by now so a 18 month gap back then may have seen like interminable, whereas today it's no bloody time at all!! Also how great to see and hear this vintage footage of the band when they were still known by their PROPER name (which was always Happy Mondays - WITHOUT the fucking annoying 'the' which everybody else seems to stick in front of it - [as well as so many other bands that don't have 'the' in their name] since they broke massive the following year, 1989 as a result of Madchester)

[@fromthedoor]

The album cover is so good lol

[@danieloliver4558]

Best album

[@Kev-lfc10-163]

It is yeah

[@db0800]

Shaun having a quick steak and kidney there.

[@Idol2Idol]

Thanks for posting this. Love it!

[@harscomcharibo]

Me now: Realising how well cast Kieran O'Brien was as Nathan in 24hr Party People. Me then: "Look, it's fucking Gruey!"

[@middleclassic]

If it has to do with Factory Records or Tony Wilson, I’m watching it!

[@odyjamess]

was that black bouncer in pulp fiction

[@yourmothercalledshesaid]

7 years later and a random tube viewer thinks it looks more like Samurai Cop’s partner...

[@danieloliver4558]

Good good good good double double good

[@thebean9255]

Songs about popping 'E's on a school program, eeeee!!!!

[@3foria420]

smoking crack not pills

[@colshythecomedian]

How has Bez not got Parkinson disease with all that headrolling?

[@Theoriginalbigbrillo]

Would love to be at the "We need to replace our band member Bez Interview" ;)................................

[@AndrewBooker-gc4fe]

Back in yhe day

[@sratus]

voiceover saying 'Q103' at 01.04 sounds like Steve Coogan, I wonder if it is

[@DavidDunneUK]

Almost correct but not quite: it was actually aimed at a 30+ yuppie audience which didn't actually exist as it turned out!

[@DavidDunneUK]

@SBM it did make me sweat. The answers were not.forthcoming and the camera was rolling. What you see in the programme is about all that was usable from a 20 minute interview!

[@DavidDunneUK]

@SBM that interview did cause a bit of a stir as they were swearing quite a bit too, live at about 630pm.

[@Maccabee444]

No wonder i ended up a smack head watching this in school

[@RaolDuke76]

Yeah, me too, your not alone bro, I'm still on the fuckin methadone at 48,.. AHH well, fuck it, what will be will be, Scotland UK x

[@Maccabee444]

Buprenorphine me ha. Glad I'm not a young un now being influenced by today's pop stars like lil nas x or a girl into ice spice. What they gonna turn out like?

[@RaolDuke76]

@@Maccabee444 yeah, I hear ya bro,! Todays music's just the pits, I was more Joy Division, Mondays, Roses, Carpets, North Side, The Farm but even the rap scene, not my cuppa but credit where credits due,..NWA, Public Enemy, Wu Tang Clan,! This "Young Thug and his enteurage" worth millions o dollars all locked up due to drive bye,s etc, then this other rapper with his dad,?? That other dude with the rainbow hair do,?!? All grasses N killers, what kind of message to kids eh,?? God, young uns ain't got a chance bro,!! Even bands like Nirvana, Alice in Chains, Pearl Jam I loved, but even the clothes mate! Chipie flares, Naf Naf, Armani, Kickers, brogues, adidas forest hills, Puma GB Vilas etc, etc,...topped off with a Mani white Sun Hat,..lol,.. fantastic pal,. Fun, recreational drugs, ACID, Extacy, Soft Black, Soap Bat, Jellies AKA Rugby Balls etc, Valium,! The 90,s for me where the last great decade man, I left school in 92, everything was kicking off Big Time. Great memories, great time to have experienced IMHO,!!!...lol Aw ra best pal, kindest regards, Scotland UK x

[@danieloliver4558]

That crowd is bouncing at 7:15

[@LadyliesNo1]

This was a schools programme lmao 😎🤣

[@thehowlingterror]

Bunch of spotty herberts. :-)

[@dez808]

Alan magee at 6:10 ?

[@revol148]

well spotted - mind you even with hair he was still fuck ugly !

[@davidroberts7413]

Martin Hannett isn’t it?

[@silverapples75]

@@davidroberts7413 nah Mcgee.

[@davidroberts7413]

Is that Martin Hannett at 6:11 ?

[@comeonman5300]

david roberts Alan McGee.

[@STEVEFINNERTY]

HOLLANDS FUCKIN PIE,,,,

[@michealgill7582]

they were that BAD....they were good

[@thegreenbastard5171]

What's the song at the end????

[@mana3735]

Do It Better.

[@paulkyle5252]

Why ye on factory? Shaun Ryder cos no One else wants us LMFAO

[@preamericanlands]

@leedumett444 CAPS LOCK

[@mjkrbjcw]

85p for a CD 🤯

[@thegreenbastard5171]

I think he meant the CD cost factory 85p.

[@jonerific]

Nathan Mcgough looks nothing like Gruey, and isn't scouse.

[@revol148]

bill bailey whose Gruey? who wants to come from Liverpool?

[@lucasm3879]

@@revol148 The actor who played him in 24 Hour Party People (scouse). I'm pretty sure McGough is actually from Liverpool originally. Just a posh scouse without the strong accent.

[@revol148]

@@lucasm3879 is it possible (desirable) to be both scouse and posh? I'm thinking in terms of the amount of abuse Cilla Black, Ringo Starr and Jimmy Tarbuck got when they left Liverpool for the home counties, sending their off-spring to public school & voting Tory?

[@johnpeden4213]

His dad was Roger Mcgough the famous scouse poet ( hung about with The Beatles in the 60's )

[@NagoyaHouseHead]

The band were instrumentally great, but the problem was Shaun couldn't sing to save his fucking life

[@matthewk7145]

He was so bad which meant he was unreal

[@NagoyaHouseHead]

@Stephen Greenhorn Ian Brown could hold a tune better than Shaun. All I'm saying is he couldnt sing and it would have been much better if he could. No need to get all hormonal about it.

[@mikehemens9359]

Shaun is a great singer. He's the biggest draw for the Monday's.

[@adamlitchfield3371]

One of the worst bands of all time

[@timc6669]

Didn't ask for your opinion you wetty

[@silocybe83]

sex pistols werent great ...but they totally got the youth working class mindset ...as did the mondays with us up north

[@richsan4923]

When you watch stuff like this you realise it's just capital accumulation. Emotions turning into commodities. No doubt Wilson had a passion and love of Manchester but at the end of the day it's more capitalism. It's not anarchist or radical at all. And I like the Mondays alot. Shaun and his brother were great musicians.

[@richf3344]

Nonsense. Factory recirculated absolutely everything they brought in, and then some. They even spent New Orders money as well as the label’s own cut. All of it invested back into new music, art and Manchester in the widest sense. That’s not capitalism, that’s a regional cultural movement that just happens to exist in a capitalist society.

[@emscott2705]

Totally disagree. The guy was still reading the news and doing political and cultural TV programmes up until the end. Far from capital accumulation he subsidised his musical ventures from his mainstream earnings. He certainly didn’t die rich by any standard of capital accumulation and if that was his goal then he failed. As a champion to the city of Manchester and popular culture of the time he died an absolute hero.

[@richsan4923]

@@emscott2705 we're making totally different comments I think you are grossly misunderstanding what I wrote. I'm not talking on an individual and insignificant level.

[@emscott2705]

@@richsan4923 Ha, I think you grossly underestimate your own capacity for bs or ability to acknowledge when pointed out. I’ll let your posts speak for themselves as a testimony. 😂