Fairphone thoughts & commentary with Louis Rossmann

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[@BankruptGreek]

but 30€ for a battery and 80€ for a screen though.. My pocophone f1 has a better cpu at half the price and I pay 5€ for a battery and 20-30€ for a screen.

[@rossmanngroup]

Their prices are fair. They're trying to stay in business not selling products made with slave labor. This in my opinion is an unfair criticism of them. Keeping parts available, having a supply chain and everything for that, that cost money. As does designing a device from scratch in a fair trade manner. I have no problem paying for value

[@dariusdareme]

I had a poco F1 and changed the screen. It was 30usd from china, and it was clearly a worse LCD than original, probably not 1080 either. A decent chinese made battery was about 10usd, the 5 usd ones are usually crap. The prices seem fair. Also, the phone itself is not a good deal, that's not the point of the phone. So the parts need to fulfill the sustainable thing, a fair price is not the point.

[@marcovanwijnen6840]

You are missing the point. Fair trade does not mean “cheap” because of slave labor.

[@lichtloper]

yes we all know that there's cheaper stuff around, fella

[@pepsicherry6389]

Your 5€ battery cost 5€ cause its made by slave labour.

[@alexpetrov5461]

"14 european dollars" got me good

[@RockTouching]

MURICA I guess

[@youkofoxy]

@@RockTouching they think Africa is a country. P.S. to be honest I thought too so for a long time, from american of South by the way.

[@wclifton968gameplaystutorials]

they probably think that Zimbabwe still uses US Dollars or that Lebanon still has electricity lol... I once saw some KZbinr use the country name "Yugoslavia" despite having been renamed in 2003 to "Serbia" (this is that person by the way: kzbin.info) Ignorant Americans also probably think that the nordic countries are Socialist, former USSR countries such as Georgia or the Dohntesk People's Republic are still Communist and that Gibraltar is still a part of Spain...

[@Unestablished]

Cyberpunk 2077

[@maverickvgc4220]

@@wclifton968gameplaystutorials Yugoslavia did not change name, it split in differet countries and Serbia is one of them

[@mull4584]

1997: Learn to swim. 2019: Learn to code. 2021: Learn to solder.

[@Ralphfili]

@RTR Foss But also learn and remember that basically anyone that gets into politics, in general, will likely end up being no better than those other guys/ girls that got voted in before them.

[@MrDoboz]

And then realize you can't solder without schematics

[@nekomakhea9440]

fairphone: slavery, conflict minerals, and devices that self-destruct if you open them are bad Apple: nah

[@6581punk]

That's the joke, all these social justice clowns talking about reparations for things done 100+ years ago while coveting their fruit phones made with modern slavery.

[@AvatarFanUno]

@@6581punk the only joke I see is your comment because who asked?

[@sharpfang]

@@6581punk Once a guy tried to convince me about the reparations. In response, I asked him, when does the statute of limitations on past slavery crimes expire... because he was Italian. I'm a Slav. Doesn't he owe me reparations for the Roman Empire?

[@VestinVestin]

​@@user-wj8rh9dq4u When you do it: unforgivable perpetuating of injustices When I do it: understandable and inevitable part of living in a modern society Thanks for playing, I hope you have a lovely dissonance.

[@TremereTT]

The fairphone is not perfect. They just try to be as fair as possible. The fairphone isn't realy fair! Yet! You also have to keep in mind that "fair" is also a marketing thing, so they aren't a charity. They specifically cater to customers who are willing to pay more to use the device with a peacefull conscience (is "peacefull conscience" English? ). So we should probably buy this phone yet never forget that "fair" is not "charity" but just a different marketing segment for a company that has everything the big companies have. They have rich-ass CEOs , evil lawyers, slimy marketing team &c. They just also are fair, wich is good. But they will not become poor or giving up their own wages by beeing fair. The only one who will give up their money is the customer of the Fairphone. Still I like the Fairphone ! And i Like the Fairphone after marked and the ability to upgrade it in a limited but meaning full way. If only the Fairphone would have 2 phones one beeing top of the line technology.

[@ArenClegg]

Qualcomm is weird about things. They'll release their code for added caf patches to aosp, but not schematics to their board. Probably a proprietary thing.

[@32krod]

One thing that hits me is that honestly it might be that Qualcomm has put a lot of money into building traces and placing chips to get around EMF issues, especially in such a small device, and very much especially in a 5G device. Still would prefer schematics, but the market right now is very cutthroat, I'm sure.

@@32krod pcb design and schematics are two different things a lot if know how could still be preserved with schematics release. Even no schematics with probe points labelled with expected voltages could help.

[@32krod]

@ I know, but when you're trying to convince your supplier that you want to release some of their design specs, they're going to play things pretty close to the chest.

[@Right-Is-Right]

@ We are used to board view files being included with schematic files and quite often shorthand it to schematics, as in opening the schematics with open board view will open both because both are linked.

[@DingleFlop]

@Caleb Brewster The Chinese don't care about copyright.

[@davebrooks69]

I think that's a good take. No schematics must be due to supplier pressure if they are so deliberately open with their modular design. Does Qualcom really hold on so tight to their reference designs? I guess while there's so little competition in available arm processor designs, they aren't going to feel the pressure to support the repair movement's need for schematics. Each damaged board that gets replaced instead of repaired is one more processor sale for them. Still, kudos for getting this far. If the reports about google tightening up on the pixel repairs are true, I think this will be my new phone, schematics or not.

[@rossmanngroup]

This is all speculation. I would love to hear from the source themselves what is holding them back! If they're open to the idea of an interview, I'll make it happen.

[@InfinitygamingFtw]

@@rossmanngroup Qualcomm is pretty uptight on all of their stuff. I grabbed some of the part numbers off a few of my old phones and was trying to social engineer a way to get enough info to build a custom board for myself. I couldn't get anything calling and emailing multiple people.

[@harid4249]

I think they should switch to Mediatek.

[@Pifferfish]

@@Fairphone Love to see it.

[@ArunG273]

@@harid4249 mediatek? 😂😂😂

[@TheCod3r]

I do think the EU is heading in the right direction. I'll give it 5 years before the EU pushes R2R fully to enable us to get hold of the schematics and parts we need properly. Companies like FairPhone are paving the way for a better future for us all

[@nathandavis7962]

Honestly, I hope this is true. If the EU pushes to make schematics and parts available then those schematics and parts will make their way to the rest of the world too. There wouldn't be any way to stop it.

[@georgebooth2005]

I always enjoy listening to you... Louis your insight is right on! Hopefully FairPhone will be able to release schematics in the near future so companies like yours can repair them. Keep fighting, for INDEPENDENT REPAIR. 👍👍

[@Devyn_Eleven]

I hope they end up making upgraded modules in the future that you can just slot in the phone, like an upgraded camera module that you can optionally buy a year or two in the future

[@nemonada3501]

I had the same thought.

[@shid007]

I think Fairphone 3 can be upgraded to 3+ by replacing camera module.

[@GabdaG]

That was phonebloks, later called project ara which google bought out and buried.

[@Devyn_Eleven]

@@shid007 oh really? That’s cool

[@TestarossaF110]

@@GabdaG jupp :((

[@BebopSpeaks]

Actual Property versus Intellectual Property - such an interesting topic. As a consumer, I want the Right to Repair my stuff and not throw it in a landfill. What is best for society?

[@vaska00762]

There's a surprisingly clever way to protect IP and publish schematics - patents. Patents involve having to show all your schematics and particulars of your new design to a patent office - they then check to see that it's original compared to all previously submitted patents. Once granted, the patent holder has exclusivity to that design for (correct me if I'm wrong) 5 years. After that time, anyone, literally anyone, can licence the patent and make their own version of the design. These days, in a rapid moving world where today's new invention is already obsolete next year, companies have taken to the conclusion that the best way to protect their IP is through Non-Disclosure Agreement. NDAs offer at least contract law protections, and for the most part, anyway, if you were to successfully reverse engineer something new, like an ARM chip, then... there's no way that the original manufacturer could prove in court that you violated their IP, not without a patent. But, legal fees will wear you down, and often, IP holders will use a very different tactic now, copyright - which should really only apply to works of art/creative media, but has been abused before for technology. The way intellectual property rights for inventions were made... well... they had in mind the idea that no one can copy your idea, not without permission and paying up... Society had worked this out when you couldn't just copy an existing television design and claim it's your own, but consumers received schematic diagrams with the TV so they could repair it themselves. While I totally understand that these days, god knows how many cheap Chinese copies could be made with next to no repercussions... it's ultimately come to hurt the end consumer.

[@AQuietNight]

@@vaska00762 You still have to pay the lawyers big money to protect your patents.

[@alien0312]

@@vaska00762 Patent law is very specific and always looks through fine tooth comb. The problem with patenting an item - especially chips and boards is at the end of the day, if one schematic is patented, you have copycats that mimic the idea but present it differently. Now you have a competing product, who may have the chance to design it in a cleverer way and now you are out of business. Then you have patent trolls. Then you have to pay for lawyers. So on the flip side if you have never released the schematics, you have eliminated the cost of upkeep and are free from competition until an actual competitor comes up organically. I am no lawyer, but I have heard some of the sharks talk about IP and patents on various forums.

[@vidalskyociosen3326]

What best for Society ? “ The Resource Based Economy “ by Jacque Fresco

[@Darkhalo314]

I wish this was available in the US. The only thing making it impossible for me to keep my phone 3 or 4 years is bad batteries and broken charging ports.

[@xavierperez9903]

@RTR Foss This fairphone 4 is the first model with US bands. I always wanted to get one but this might be the first time as a US buyer I'm actually able to use it as a primary phone.

[@dillonh321]

@@xavierperez9903 They put us bands in it because they plan on expanding to north america. On their website they expressed that they want to expand outside of europe. In linus' video fair phone has a comment to answer questions and they claimed that they will expand to North America soon.

[@Bluecolty]

Just replace the battery brug. It’s not like it’s impossible in most phones.

[@dillonh321]

@@Bluecolty Yeah but after 3-4 years the cost of replacing the battery is more than the phone is worth.

[@Bluecolty]

@@dillonh321 since when? Its still totally economical to replace the battery in an iPhone 6s, which is 6 years old at this point. I just replaced the battery in my note 9, which is 3, working on its 4th year.

[@MyGSunny]

Sounds like someone needs to leak their schematic so they can avoid dying.

[@RoseKindred]

I wonder how much Apple and Samsung will pool together for lobbyists to get the Fairphone banned or heavily regulated. I expect some nasty campaigns about how this phone will be untrackable and lead to an increase in crime.

[@youkofoxy]

How?!?!???!?!? The board that can't be replaced is the one with the phone ID. Well I assume.

[@SHINdanny]

It´s already the 4th generation of Fairphones, no "bans" ;)

[@RoseKindred]

@@youkofoxy I don't think "facts" matter to many in office. Lobbyists spin the truth just enough on behalf of their clients that it confuses lawmakers on the subject. Example: "Key components of this phone can be swapped out or removed which disable the phone's compliance in Federal Law pertaining to emergency messaging and tracking of said phone, essentially removing them from 'the grid' which allows police to gather evidence of committed crimes." In reality, the user-powered down the phone and removed the battery.

[@RoseKindred]

@@SHINdanny Yes, I remember talk about them before. But the market share is not large enough to really hurt the other companies yet. I expect that to change, soon.

[@KyurekiHana]

Fairphone is too small still for them to care. Unless their physical store sales are threatened, they will just ignore it.

[@stevemuzak8526]

I bought this phone not because it's the best thing ever made. It's a consumer statement. We want reparable devices.

[@mjc0961]

I want devices with headphone jacks and no notches or hole punches. Huge pass on Fairphone.

[@DUDA-__-]

Hey, today was a long monday and something similar happemed to me earlier. Have this spare "i". :)

[@bik3r230]

@@mjc0961 no one uses headphone jacks anymore bluetooth is superior and 2 who gives a shit about a hole punch the other option is 1 you make the screen smaller or 2 you ad 100$ coat onto the phone for a complex camera under display setup

[@killertigergaming6762]

@@bik3r230 no bluetooth is worse. I don't want my headphones to fail after a few years because of the batteries failing the audio quality is also worse and more prone to interference as well as being less secure

[@killertigergaming6762]

@@bik3r230 or give pop up camera or slide cameras which are by far the best

[@InventorZahran]

You probably made Richard Stallman very angry by referring to his Free Software as "open source".

[@YoloMonstaaa]

Also the general open source community doesn't like being associated with Stallman's "free software" ideas.

[@___Robin___]

@@YoloMonstaaa why not? I always thought Stallman's ideology would be the end goal to reach absolute freedom I don't see how the open source community would oppose that.

[@dankmemer3453]

@@___Robin___ hint: the mit license, a company can take code from open source and make proprietary add ons

[@saidinesh5]

I'm actually hopeful about the next Pinephone. They managed to release all their schematics, sources and even the community is very vibrant around them. Just that the processor on the current pinephone is quite old and isn't nice as a daily driver imo.

[@jobansand]

that's really cool!!!

[@cinialvespow1054]

@RTR Foss they also made a cool laptop, if they make another generation with more power I think I'll get one as my secondary laptop

[@Voyajer.]

@RTR Foss Librem 5 is another in the same vein

[@skysunknownheroes]

just looked it up and the processor is a total crap, the GPU is even more horrible, Mali-400

[@houghwhite411]

@@skysunknownheroes they are all open source though. Pinephone is about open source everything, it's not about speedy and flashy processors

[@ironoverheat465]

Critical smartphone buyers: All agree taking away the headphone jack is greedy and unjustifiable Fairphone, a niche brand made for purists: Haha headphone jack go byebye

[@cinialvespow1054]

YES! I totally agree! It makes NO sense for their brand. The only people buying fairphones are those who are fed up with the practices of the other phone brands...

[@ironoverheat465]

@RTR Foss You mean putting obstacles to encourage obsoleting SUPERIOR audio hardware while simultaneously promoting their inferior bluetooth solution is OK because... IP54?? Where does preference come into this, they literally REMOVED a feature, they are RESTRICTING options!

[@rossmanngroup]

You know what's funny, I didn't even notice it. It's not because I don't value the headphone jack, I do greatly. I have a 3.5 mm shotgun microphone with a puffy windscreen that I plug into my phone anytime I am doing videos on the go and I don't feel like bringing my big camera set up. It allows me to get amazing audio quality even if I am out in windy weather, and it allows me to do things like charge the phone through the USB-C port while streaming from my bicycle. You can't charge and use a USB_C microphone at the same time, and you can't ride a bicycle at 35 miles an hour and get usable audio out of the microphone that is built into your phone. This accessory and the ability to charge simultaneously is crucial for the videos that I do and there is nothing that modern smartphones offer over my s10e to make it worth giving up this workflow or functionality. It NEVER occurred to me that a company that went out of their way to allow the battery to be user removable, would take away the headphone jack. I didn't even think to check. I assumed, given the market they are targeting, they would not remove the headphone jack. That's insane. I guess it's sticking to my refurbished Samsung s10e and fixing this thing when it breaks for the rest of eternity, I'm not buying a new phone with all of the serialization bullshit they do and I'm definitely not buying a phone without a headphone jack

[@youtubeairways8646]

I'd go with Sony Xperia rather than Fairphone, they have similar ethical and open-source principles to Fairphone, plus a headphone jack and many more features. The 10 mk. III is cheaper, and the 1/5 mk. III are a few hundred more. I'm not sure they're as repairable but they're not sabotaging repair like Apple or Samsung and they're more water resistant.

[@dubl33_27]

@@rossmanngroup preach

[@dexter_por]

"14... European... dollars... I guess." Lol

[@Stormrider-Flight]

Used fairphone for over 1 year. I loved the accesebility and i really liked the idea behind it. What made me change my mind was the absolute catastrophic software adaptation of their android version. Bugs wherever you look with some existing workarounds but no actual fixes. For a device i use every day, just annoying. You want a device that works when you need it - which exactly is what fairphone doesn´t.

[@Leicht_Sinn]

Did you try flashing a costum rom ?

[@Stormrider-Flight]

@@Leicht_Sinn nah I'm not familiar with those.

[@RomanianReaver]

"You can buy this for 14 bucks or 14.... european dollars" Louis... are you secretly living in Night City?

[@bippaasama]

"European dollars" My sides just blasted off to the outer reaches of the Solar System, thanks Louis.

[@RandomUser2401]

that‘s not really funny, just shows how little Louis knows about the world outside of the US.

[@joecaa3722]

Its always funny seeing people's reaction to whatever negative or positive statements other people have.

[@Komaeec]

Bursted into laughter myself xD Luis's dry humar always gets me...

[@RandomUser2401]

@@Komaeec more like narrow world view

[@JurgMudveins]

They're not there yet but I'm still buying one when the protection accessories (case and screen protector) for the Fairphone 4 come back in stock. Honestly just the stuff with sourcing materials would have gotten my attention, the fact it's a 20 minute job to disassemble and reassemble it to swap out whichever part I broke is just icing on the cake.

[@florianfelix8295]

It’s fun and very useful when it got wet inside despite IP54^^

[@AJC-kh5rh]

Was going to look into this for a phone, as I am going to be getting the Framework laptop, but them taking away the headphone jack makes it not an option. The whole reason I went from iphone to android (S9+) was for that reason. Now the only company that seems to have it, along with other features like expandable storage, is Sony with the Expheria 1 iii. And there is good chance it is staying because they actually brought it back after getting rid of it unlike all other companies (except Google but not on their flagship phone) and it actually has a decent Dac and Amp. For a company about repairability, making the ewaste that are wireless headphones be the only option for private listening is baffling.

[@alex15095]

Don't forget, they removed the headphone jack at the same time they launched their own wireless earbuds. That's right, an "eco-friendly" company that puts out a product that's terrible for our environment. I don't think it's a good sign for the future of this company if they're already going down the Apple path..

[@mjc0961]

Agreed. Removing the headphone jack because they want to sell you overpriced wireless earbuds is just greed, and it's not environmentally friendly. I'll stick to keeping my eye out for phones that do have headphone jacks, even if that means going for the "budget" options. My Pixel 3a has been nicer to use than most of the flagships I've had anyway.

[@MrPaukann]

Nokia too. XR20 seems very interesting. 3.5mm, SD card slot, water and drop resistance. They also have 3 year warranty and software updates, 4 years of security updates. Too bad I bought a samsung, because I wanted water resistance, just before they announced it.

[@chaos.corner]

Quite happy with my Moto G7. Headphone jack and SD card. No removable battery, alas but the fast charging makes that a little better. By no means a premium phone but does everything I need and was easily rooted. Looks like they're sticking with the formula for newer models too.

[@DJRaffa1000]

I mean to be fair you can get type-c headphones for private listening. But overall I too loath the fact that the headphone Jack went missing at the same time they start selling the wireless buds. That "conveniently" arent repairable at all and will be e-waste in 1-3 years

[@eLindemann]

Also worth noting that this was Fairphone 3 on the forum page. Might be worth asking them again regarding Fairphone 4? Not saying we're going to get a different response, but you don't know for sure unless you ask.

[@doudoune1067]

For everyone complaining about the jack. I was one of you before I discovered usb-c amplifiers. Around 100 bucks and an amazing sound upgrade that can be carried over to your new phone.

[@nextlifeonearth]

Genuinely considered it for a sec, then I noticed the missing 3.5mm Jack. Like I don't even really need a new phone and was hovering over the order button, decided to look over the specs again and this was a huge deal breaker. So they advertise repairability, but their phone really needs the most notoriously unrepairable devices that are Bluetooth headphones. Why?

[@burekking1960]

It truly stinks

[@kirinaru]

Why should it need Bluetooth headphones? You can just connect your usb c headphones or use a dongle

[@Martin42944]

I'm pro "schematics or die" mindset, but I have a genuine question. What will the impact be for smaller companies making things like toasters with a temp sensor and small micro microchip? They used to all have wiring diagrams in the standard user manual. I think a lot of companies don't want to go back to that, not just because they sell more toasters without it, but also because they see it as an additional cost. Even though they used to do it, and this is them cheaping out by no longer including it. I hope this movement starts with Fairphone and Framework (aka the company/consumer choice side) first, and NOT regulation. If (and this might be me being too much of an idealist) we get companies to start this and push this forward, it will have a better chance at succeeding than if companies have 50-200 different country regulations they have to abide by. Tell the company's you buy from you want the schematics (as a consumer). They used to give it to you.

[@TheBackyardChemist]

They can always just put the wiring diagrams of their toasters on their websites in a PDF, at negligible extra cost.

[@rrteppo]

Just have a QR code to the online schematic you already have copies of. At most all you are doing is adding a single webpage, or pdf download per product.

[@mskiptr]

I'd gladly welcome toasters and washing machines that have schematics available in a git repo lol. Sending feedback, making patches and gradually improving our appliances would be awesome!

[@kdizzy07]

Is independent repair for toasters suffering due to the lack of schematics? If the answer is no I don't see a reason to think about it. The movement already started with Framework & Fairphone (who sold devices as early as 2013) but it is not going to change much without regulation. Most people don't know or care about right to repair. They just want their iPhones and Galaxies. I think that people who buy Fairphone / Framework products are mostly tinkerers that like to fix their own devices.

[@rrteppo]

@@kdizzy07 the only time I don't fix stuff myself is if the price of the fix it is equal the price of just getting a new one. Why spend $100 to fix something I could spend $100 replacing and not deal with the hassle.

[@sharqueeshajohnalaneesha2019]

The pinephone has had its schematics available for a while now.

[@nextlifeonearth]

Would be nice if it had more decent hardware though. I find it hard to justify to downgrade my phone.

[@mek101whatif7]

@@nextlifeonearth The Pinephone Pro just released with hardwere comparable to mid-range androids

[@nextlifeonearth]

@@mek101whatif7 Do you mean Android phones? Still, I have a higher end phone.

[@mek101whatif7]

@@nextlifeonearth > Do you mean Android phones? Yes

[@nextlifeonearth]

@@mek101whatif7 I think of the robot if someone just says "android".

[@kfftfuftur]

I have had a Fairphone for one year now. And for this one year there has always been this bug where you occasionally dont have any audio during phonecalls. If you want people to keep using you phone for an extended period of time, then maybe it could be a good idea to make sure that it can do basic stuff like taking calls reliably.

[@MM-ev1fg]

Good point, unfortunately that’s the risk for being one of the first to buy new things.

[@MM-ev1fg]

@Dylan Oh!

[@citylockapolytechnikeyllcc7936]

I have that happen on occasion with a Samsung Galaxy S8. Sometimes the far end of the universe, I lose connectivity...... or at least the audio component even if connected., but fine when closer to Galaxy mothership. Also, you could have issues with various settings that allow one APP to be on top of the other, muting it. ( Or I am full of donkey-dung, let me know ). I had a humongous problem with my Toyota Rav4 infotainment being nonfunctional with the S8.... 6 people worked on it, the dealer did various updatings. It took one guy from India who was a total nerd in the Comm sector to toss the official script and help me... problem WAS in a setting for permissions in the Toyota and Scout APPS... had to delete client data in the vehicle, as well as uninstall and reinstall both APPS.... it was a deep dive into check boxes and tweaking it, but working reasonably well now. Oh, turn off 5G ONLY and see what happens!

[@MajoroTom]

damn first framework, now this? great

[@swaggitypigfig8413]

They've been around for a long time.

[@TremereTT]

They don't work in the USA and they are around for a very long time. There is a US company that makes repairable phones too.I think it's "terracube". So if you are American (for some reason many people on this channel are Americans) you might have to look if the Fairphone(Dutch), Shiftphone(German) or Terracube(American??? Canadian???) . You have to look what band with they support before you buy them. For example Terracube doesn't support Verizon... I don't know why they all work in Europe but for the USA it's allways a question of what bandwith a phone supports.

[@lordvalen8133]

@@TremereTT Teracube... Now that's one I haven't heard. Thanks for the pointer!

[@FARBerserker]

The one thing i hate about the Fairphone 4 is that they left out the 3.5mm Audio Jack -.-

[@jonnyblade3234]

That's a deal breaker

[@TestarossaF110]

it might be a space or availability problem, but when you can use a dongle or bluetooth an extra port that needs to be able to be replaced and sold might be tough. but if people keep being so vocal about it maybe Fairphone will change that.

[@puggirl415]

The fairphone 3 does have the 3.5mm jack. Does the fairphone 4 not have it?

[@Stungunwol]

Well, I suppose the nice thing is nothing's stopping them from changing their minds. They could release a new SKU and two variant parts, the rear cover with 3.5mm jack and combination USB/audio jack board. And if a customer really wanted they could just drill a hole in the case themselves so they didn't need to buy a new cover. You'd probably just have to treat the audio jack as a built in daisy chained dongle with such a board, right?

[@mjc0961]

@RTR Foss No, that's today's war. No headphone jack = no buy. Being able to buy parts for a phone that I won't accept as my daily driver is useless to me.

[@Mulerider4Life]

Hey Louis, love the videos. I've noticed lately you push these videos out so so quickly. Feel free to slow down if needed as I don't want you to get burned out. As well as you don't have to comment on every single thing Apple or Phone related. Just pick the ones that matter most to you. Have a great day! Edit: Wow thanks for all the Likes! I hope Louis gets to see this!

[@TheBooban]

If he doesn’t vent with KZbin vids, he would internally combust.

[@Mulerider4Life]

@@TheBooban nah. But I do think I relate to him a ton. I don't know a ton about him but wonder if he struggles with either anxiety or ADHD. He is very bright, very smart, as well as very authentic. He really should be a teacher at a local University or Community College. I think he has a world of potential. Especially if he can get to a place outside of NYC. Maybe a smaller town where people wish they could have someone like him. I know if he was in Arkansas. He could pick where he wanted to live and work basically.

[@houghwhite411]

@@Mulerider4Life Defo anxiety, since the city wants to get rid of him and in the meantime made him as a piñata

[@Mulerider4Life]

@@houghwhite411 he just really should know that there are people like him needed really bad.

[@Right-Is-Right]

Venting may cost too many cookies for Erica.

[@LogicWheels]

We used to be the factory repair company for Fairphone up to the FP2. I can confirm that they were not allowed to make the schematics available, not even to us. So we mostly only swapped parts. The only thing we repaired on these boards (FP1) was the USB port, which was poorly designed qua strength. We did some other repairs on boards, but it was difficult without schematics and to time consuming. It was a nice company to work for though, looking back on a good time there.

[@MasterSamus]

It's cringe that the new Fairphone did away with the audio jack. Really is a dealbreaker for myself and many others when it comes to picking a smartphone.

[@diddymies]

meh havent used headphones after s8.

[@okaydetar821]

I understand you, but genuinely, just get some wireless headphones there is no reason not to.

[@Flyingjaffacake]

@@okaydetar821 Except those who don't want the hassle of charging an extra device. I have bluetooth headphones but if they run out I have a backup option (on my S10e)

[@okaydetar821]

​@@Flyingjaffacake Oh yes, the "hassle" of plugging in a cable for a couple hours every other day, seems reasonable to swap that out with the hassle of plugging one in every time you use them......Like seriously what fucking hassle are you saving?, Not only is there OBJECTIVELY less cord plugging, you can even get a wireless charger cause this is the future - setting down your headphones is about as hassle free as it gets.

[@Flyingjaffacake]

@@okaydetar821 I like many have a lot of devices, work and personal. Occasionally you forget to charge your headphones and you have no backup when they die. Inconvenient. I prefer having a jack. Otherwise chill out mate it's just a chat about headphone jacks haha. Edit: forgot to mention, during recording and playback messing around in my home studio with friends the jack is sometimes very useful

[@Mellcula]

For me, having no 3.5mm headphone jack in this version is a bummer

[@kalef1234]

i support you, and used to think this. then i bought bluetooth headphones and they are amazing. walk around the room, no cord noise, move around the desk. it's great

[@mjc0961]

@@kalef1234 I bought bluetooth headphones and I still think this. I have different headphones for different applications. Nice wired over the ear headphones for gaming and proper sitting down to just listen to music and do nothing else. The wireless ones are great for going out for a walk or mowing the lawn, where I don't really care about sound quality. And some cheap but decent wired earbuds for work, where I won't be filled with rage and hatred if they wind up being stolen (I'd still be pissed, but I'd rather lose sub-$20 earbuds than $50+ wireless earbuds). Plus it's always nice to not have to remember to charge more batteries.

[@rossmanngroup]

I actually didn't even notice that. Somehow I missed it when I saw the removable battery I thought this would be a company that no way in hell would they ever even think of her moving headphone jack. Sadly a no-go for me too. I have a 3.5 mm shotgun microphone I plug in to My Android phone with a little windscreen on it so that I can do a video if I'm walking around somewhere, if it's windy outside the internal microphone is going to be garbage. Taking away my ability to do this is not something I am open to, nor am I open to being forced to replace it with a USB-C one that does not allow the charge to be plugged in when I'm using it. It just doesn't make sense to take away functionality. I will protest this until the end

[@tams805]

@RTR Foss As a European, no, Europe isn't some especially Bluetooth loving place. And fuzz of with calling us weird. Americans are weirder for being obsessed with iMessage.

[@nextlifeonearth]

@RTR Foss Euro market has more Android users per capita than the US market. Most popular Android phones tend to have a headphone jack. So no, they cater to no market really. Techies prefer a headphone jack, if only as an option, normies don't care about repairability or fair wages, even if they say they do. What's left? Fools that don't realise what they're giving up.

[@DJRaffa1000]

What buggs me the most is that they removed the headphone jack and simultaneously launched wireless earbuds which (seem to be) are not repairable at all. Please correct me if i'm wrong but i dont see replacement parts for them and they dont look serviceable at all.

[@mjc0961]

You're not wrong about the parts, you're not wrong about them not being serviceable, and I agree that it bothers me that they've done this. It's a greed play, just like when Apple, Samsung, Google, etc all did it. The headphone jack is gone but conveniently we have these very expensive wireless buds you can buy now! Definitely not about milking customers at all, nope, total coincidence that it happened like that. Screw Fairphone, I'll keep buying the cheap budget models that Samsung or Google make that still have headphone jacks (because they clearly think headphone jacks are for poor people - more proof that removing headphone jacks from flagships is simply about money, and how they think that if you're spending $1,000 or more on their phone then you can spend another $150 on wireless earbuds). Selling parts is cool, but it doesn't mean anything to me if the parts go into a phone that I wouldn't put in my pocket every day because it's missing one of the most basic features every phone should have.

[@chriswis2457]

That is the secret. Other companies prevent schematic release....

[@jayshartzer844]

This was a fair review of a phone

[@MarioP495]

I really like that you make the point to not belittle what fairphone is trying to do and that the problem we need to drill down on is (most likely) with their supply chain to get schematics

[@FARBerserker]

Shiftphone does something similar, but from Germany.

[@SHINdanny]

"designed in Germany" ;)

[@Maebbie]

the kicker is, the chargeport costs maybe a dollar max to manufacture, but you can sell it for 10 times that and no one will complain. So this can be profitable.

[@HellsJerome87]

Imagine being able to build and upgrade a phone like you can do with a PC. That would be great.

[@rickrussell]

I dropped a comment on LTT’s video about LTE and 5G bands, and somebody from Fairphone responded inside of a minute. They are making the right moves.

[@cinialvespow1054]

Removing the headphone jack was NOT a right move. Totally contradictory to their brand and message, and shows me they don't care about the customer and this is just the angle they're pushing for cash.

[@nemonada3501]

After seeing Linus' video this morning I've been eagerly awaiting your commentary.

[@thatguyalex2835]

I love Linus, despite the fact that he drops expensive tech all the time. Does he have a condition where his hands are naturally producing slippery grease to cause motherboards to fall?

[@nemonada3501]

@@thatguyalex2835 LOL, I sometimes wonder if he does it on purpose but it's so cringey to watch.

[@nemonada3501]

@RTR Foss I forgot about name confusion. I'll mental note that for next time.

[@jgmermx]

Love your vids ross, please keep posting for your veiwers.

[@p_serdiuk]

More collabs with Linus when?

[@FlyboyHelosim]

I'm not convinced that this level of modularity is needed for a phone, but respect what they're trying to do. Again, it's not so much about the practical purpose of the product, but the vision and being seen to uphold it.

[@rayray11939]

Headphone jack or die Love that a company is making a phone more repairable though. Don't need a schematic to replace USB port, screen, or battery. If the damage is beyond that, I'd probably just replace it anyways

[@greghumphreys3397]

That's not the point of right to repair, the tools should be available for _whatever_ you want to fix, doesn't matter whether if its a screen or a short on the logic board.

[@rayray11939]

@@greghumphreys3397 I agree with you. We do need to keep fighting for schematics. Being able to buy parts is a huge part of right to repair also and this phone is a great step in the right direction. On a practical level,. Fairphone is addressing problems that a majority may encounter.

[@fabreezethefaintinggoat5484]

@@greghumphreys3397 yeah but its beyond what the company can do at this level,probably. a headphone jack isn't

[@derfurz8618]

@@fabreezethefaintinggoat5484 it actually might be. Considering their low sales volume they might very well be dependent on whatever mainboard they can get their hands on at a reasonable price and in reasonable time. Fairphone has no incentive to remove the jack like manufacturers that actually sell Bluetooth headphones, apart from manufacturing cost, which is something caused by the whole market shifting away from headphone jacks, which is far beyond the controll of a manufacturer the size of fairphone

[@Aliquis.frigus]

Get the Fairphone 3+ then. I think I might. Don't need 5g yet, and don't need multiple cameras. But to demand a 3.5mm jack.

[@juanignacioaschura9437]

10:14 Richard Stallman's laptop was a Lenovo ThinkPad X200. It was the last notebook with the ability of supporting a fully Open-Source BIOS because it was the last Core 2 Duo laptop with all the vPro technologies open to the end-user with some tinkering; the X201 later on came with a 1st Generation Core i processor, and with that, the Intel Management Engine was introduced, the latter being a secretive black box. The Free Software Foundation and Miniboot sell those (and other 00-series) Lenovo laptops under the Libreboot brand, completely refurbished and upgraded for modern usage.

[@Tantive]

Tell me more...

[@bigpharts]

Hopefully they pull an ROG Phone 5 and bring back the headphone jack on the next iteration so I can seriously consider it.

[@JustinParrot]

Very cool to see people from other part of the ocean talk about fairphone (I am in Europe and its a long time I know and have a fairphone) When framework come I just see a fairphone computer without the fair

[@alexanderheinz8636]

When will the "Schematics or die T-shirt" be in stock again? You have to up your merch game Louis. Get my european dollars.

[@floppa9415]

I loved the compromise of older LG and Samsung devices. Simple to fix while having the best specs on the market. But it is what it is..

[@bastiat691]

I recommend reading Stephen Kinsella's book Against Intellectual Property, he makes some really good points. IP and private property are actually outright contradictory concepts. Edit: Cheers for the pin @louis, appreciate your work, keep up the good fight. Remember to take good care of yourself, it's going to be a marathon, not a sprint.

[@slickl9608]

That's interesting. I've heard more opposition of private property.

[@debtminer4976]

@@slickl9608 of course you have. Those with IP control the media and want to control your property.

[@bastiat691]

@@slickl9608 if you believe people own their own bodies then I don't see how you can reconcile that with intellectual property, since IP as an idea is predicated on control of other peoples bodies, owning an idea means you own other peoples thoughts, and what they do with their own bodies and resources. A lot of the problems Louis talks about as he hinted in the video would basically go away if IP was abolished.

[@Right-Is-Right]

Conmplete load of crap, owning the rights to your own labor of design IS owning your own private property, maybe start by reading up on the origins of private property, may I suggest the Mises institute for a fun time.....

[@bastiat691]

@@Right-Is-Right I know quite a few people at the Mises institute, let me tell you, you aren't going to find sympathy among them for pro-IP thought. Stephen Kinsella who wrote the book I recommended is a fellow of the Mises Institute. Edit: Might as well drop some books on the subject for others who may be interested; 'The Economics and Ethics of Private Property', 'A Short History of Man: Progress and Decline', & 'Man, Economy, and State, with Power and Market'. (as well as the aforementioned Against Intellectual Property). Enjoy!

[@ulliausleverkusen]

Proud Fairphone 3 owner. I don't need the schematics but i like your harsh stance on it.

[@sonyajones]

I would certainly purchase a Fairphone when it comes to the USA! The replaceable battery and charge port truly make it worthwhile!

[@bik3r230]

Just buy a spare battery display charge port when you get the phone stuff that breaks easyer so that 1 you dont have to wait for shipping to fix and 2 if the go under atleast you can fix it ,

[@stroke_of_luck]

Does it have a removable picture slot? That is what I miss most that apple stole from me

[@MrShitthead]

This reminds me of when GeoHot was arrested and sued to hell by Sony because he found out the root code of a device he purchased and owned, but only stopped owning a year later when Sony updated their EULA to say that people didn't own their ps3's anymore. The fact that companies can do that to people is beyond fucked.

[@wyterabitt2149]

Yea, you don't magically own code just because you bought a device pmsl

[@itshard6669]

Keep up the good work Louis Rossmann ❤️🤗

[@florianfelix8295]

What I would like to see is a combined module platform from multiple vendors like framework, shiftphone, Fairphone, system 76, pine etc... also for the basic software like oses and bootloaders... would take the whole thing to another label. They are all doing work on that by themselves and it’s gonna end nowhere.

[@Thorhian]

When will the "Schematics or Die" T-Shirts be back in stock?

[@bellyegg]

^^^^^ i NEED one Louis

[@MrDoom879]

Does anyone know which carrier's the Fairphone works with in the US?

[@MrDoom879]

@@lightdark00 thanks for the info. Will wait on picking one up until they have a version more dedicated to the American market

[@louisaradice4439]

I so wish there were a more active Fairphone users' community in the UK.

[@gerardopadilla2666]

No comment on Linus breaking the Surface Studio due to hidden screws while they were told it was only 4 screws by whoever rep talked to them?

[@houghwhite411]

Linus is clumsy kek

[@gerardopadilla2666]

@RTR Foss Louis, yes, but what about a random guy wanting to change his SSD? That's the issue there. Plus the rubber feet you need to take out to get the more accesible screws aren't going to stick back again with the same strength regardless if it is Louis himself doing the repair, probably the same story for the hiding mechanism for the last hidden screws.

[@gerardopadilla2666]

@RTR Foss I can agree someone doing his homework will probably be fine, it's just not everyone does it when it should be just a simple task of taking out screws and prying it open. Pretty sure a lot of people will try first to use more force there before checking a guide. It's not about considering everyone stupid, but you shouln't also exclude a posibility just because it is "not the right mentality". Plus we haven't seen how you're actually supposed to open it, what extra equipment you might need to take care of the hidden screws? As for glue, perhaps, but it is still more research the user needs to do and again extra equipment they need to buy for a simple task. It may be fine for you, I still consider it a purposeful pain.

[@gerardopadilla2666]

@RTR Foss Indeed 😕

[@manikkalore1630]

Thanks for everything !

[@davidraborn3654]

Stick to your Guns on this one Louis. I still like the phone.

[@HyperScorpio8688]

The Fairphone 5 is now out. And it's even faster, more open and capable than before

[@VindicoAtrum1]

given that fairphone just killed the headphone jack, I give them about 5 or so years until they're selling the usual metal and glass slab stripped of any of the features they have now. We've seen it time and again.

[@nuclearjello2243]

They will supply parts for 5 years. Doubt they will completely ruin their business model while still supporting the fairphone 4

[@mjc0961]

Yep. This year it was the headphone jack. Next year it's the SD card slot. Year after it's the removable back cover. RIP Fairphone.

[@debtminer4976]

Keep your eyes on the RISC V landscape for open hardware. Not there yet, but serious potential with the right people behind a push.

[@FrantisekPicifuk]

European Dollars 🤣 The future is truly here, as Louis and Cyberpunk predicted

[@stan110]

I'm gonna support fair phone once my current one dies in the hope that they become big enough so they can give you the schematics without trouble. Edit: Got the fairphone 4 like I said I would.

[@stevejohnson1321]

Actually, Stallman wants free (FSF) software rather than open-source, because all open-source isn't free.

[@houghwhite411]

at least open source software / hardware can be audited, and if something fishy is found, someone can inform the world

[@houghwhite411]

@Caleb Brewster Free is not as in free beer but freedom. You can do anything you want with it, you can fork it if you want etc etc.

[@stevejohnson1321]

That's a common misconception. All open-source doesn't necessarily stay free as in freedom OR cost, and doesn't always stay open. FSF license means must always remain free. Contributions can also be solicited and accepted -- another misconception.

[@Fisticuffs1776]

They are a great step in the right direction and it is great to see this happening

[@iamtwig236]

Lol

[@user-pj6oc5gy2q]

Lol

[@SupIds]

lol

[@DmadPs]

Olo

[@philipw]

Lol

[@p_serdiuk]

lol

[@DerCrafter]

I love how they wrote "yours to open" on the battery

[@seamon9732]

A step forward but... The no headphone jack kind of defeats the purpose of the Fairphone. Think about it, unrepairable wasteful wireless earbuds. Would it have killed them to include this very reliable piece of technology? *sighs*

[@TheRailroad99]

As an engineer from a small company I can say that the fear of people copying your work is still one of the biggest issues. !Especially! chinese companies. You can't really sue them if you're not a big player. And while of course they can (and do!) reverse engineer projects it will take them a lot longer than just reading the schematics and copy-pasting them. Remember that half a year without competition ( that you can't beat when it comes to price/performance, because they don't have all the R&D costs) means loosing money or making profit out of an idea. I totally respect right to repair, but nowadays it's a lot different than in the old days, where most electronics were made in countries that respected patent rights so you could easily sue someone that used your IP without the right to do so). The IP theft from china is real. They can make products from schematics in mere days, it's insane. And they will use anything the can get ahold of, like Open Source projects or kit schematics that a hobby electronics guy sells for a few bucks on his website. They have no problem copying your product almost 1:1, down to the layout, and then selling it for 1/3 of the price without even mentioning your name. Sad, but true.

[@lastfreethinker6810]

Let's see if people go nuts here like they did on Linus Tech Tips when I said. If it was available in the US I would get one right now.

[@pamdemonia]

As a construction worker, I loved my lg with a replaceable battery (they even gave me an extra and a battery charger to charge outside of the phone!). I loved it so much I kept using it for 4+ years. Then the screen broke, and I gave in and got a new phone. Now I need a new phone (t-mobile taking over sprint) and I was thinking about a pixel 6 pro, but then I saw this phone and now I'm not so sure. I did hear Europe only, so...... Any way, cool phone.

[@aaronc6120]

I’m sorry Louis, i shared this view for previous Fairphones but the newest one removed the headphone jack and they just happen to release wireless headphones (which you can’t replace batteries, btw). Doesn’t sound fair, ethical or sustainable to me anymore..

[@ironoverheat465]

For this to be worth the price and actually a good product it would need to be 16:9 notchless with reduced bezels (think Mate 10), headphone jack and 90Hz OLED. 60Hz is just too old for a 2021 phone. And come with a Type C male to MicroUSB female adapter to work with all chargers.

[@cinialvespow1054]

Like THIS

[@swiftrealm]

"14 European dollars" louis they're called euros 😂

[@eegaugh]

I think you made another video very "fairly" clarifying the availability of Fairphone schematics and suggest it would be helpful to pin a link to this here.

[@kimcelarmycx229]

I can already tell that people will hate on it for not being water resistant or being thick

[@p_serdiuk]

it is water resistant

[@FARBerserker]

@@p_serdiuk IP54 only

[@FARBerserker]

i only hate on it for not having the 3.5mm audio jack -.-

[@Mulerider4Life]

@@FARBerserker old school. Always can get a adapter. No big deal...

[@p_serdiuk]

@@FARBerserker "Water splashing against the enclosure from any direction shall have no harmful effect, utilizing either: a) an oscillating fixture, or b) A spray nozzle with no shield. Test a) is conducted for 10 minutes. b) is conducted (without shield) for 5 minutes minimum." This is water resistant. Not water proof tho.

[@rikvdmark]

I think it’s a good line to draw in the sand. We’re not there yet for reasons you explained. We’re definitely moving in the correct direction though 😁

[@ClaudeSac]

“Yours to open. Yours to keep.” I like how they print that on a lithium ion battery. It is clearly not targeted at stupid people.

[@DeeSnow97]

IMO it's great. Shows just how easily you can swap that lithium battery, which is usually the primary reason preventing you from keeping a different phone

[@wisnoskij]

Steam: "We do not recommend opening this device, you might die" Fairphone: "Cut open this high capacity lithium ion battery, it'll be fine"

[@SPINNINGMYWHEELS777]

I learned much from this presentation. Thank you.

[@AM-er9oi]

European dollars 👀😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[@Terrobility]

I hope major companies like Google/Samsung see the demand in this space. With the click of their fingers, they could make some RTR design tweaks and easily capture that market segment!

[@killertigergaming6762]

But you would be insane to ever expect that to be realistic

[@Terrobility]

@@killertigergaming6762 You never know. One of these major companies could steal Fairphone's limelight if they really wanted to.

[@killertigergaming6762]

@@Terrobility IF they do not want people to repair there devices at all

[@iplayoldschoolrunescape]

They can just "leak" the schematics if they cant legally do it xD .... Oh nooo they leaked lol xD

[@Celician83]

I'm actually more open to buy this phone as an upgrade than any other phone because at least parts are available, just wish they could go that last step. That, and they REALLY need to make this available for the US market

[@shrikedecil]

I'd personally attack this piecemeal. "We *want* to release schematics for all the parts, but right now ... here's the battery's tech specs/schematic/CAD, here's the case dimensions etc. We're missing x, y, z for having a minimal, functional, schematics-available 'phone', so ... RFQ (or whatever) for a camera module, and a WiFi module and ...

[@TinyBearTim]

This just brings back memories of old Samsungs that when dropped go off like cluster bombs

[@cinialvespow1054]

"fair"phone has no headphone jack. That's not fair at all lol. That really hurts their brand for me.

[@houghwhite411]

Not really, you can swap the batteries. The point of having a jack is because the battery is sealed you can't charge while listening to music. with the openable back... well... just plug new battery in and go to town

[@jeffreyosborne6747]

RTR or die fostering creative design and competition. I like it!

[@paperstars9078]

just curious, what can't be repaired as long as schematics are not available?

[@mrmax1467]

Agreed, thanks for the video.

[@twogitsinacar4811]

I have a Fairphone 3 - Best thing I ever bought !!

[@citylockapolytechnikeyllcc7936]

If the phone is serviceable in a plug and play manner, the schematic is not really needed. I know that creates a slippery slope as to what needs schematics and what does not. But I am interested in a phone that if I goober it, I can fix it, and NOT need to do reballing or other riskier to the components/boards procedures.

[@grahamrice1806]

Commenting from the fairphone 4 I have been using for a day so far. Excited for this to last the next 5 years. But I also want that cat schematics t-shirts and yeah please keep up the fight! You're right, it's going to take a lot to turn the tide of the big companies. This is certainly a step in the right direction and I would prefer my money to go to them instead of the big companies. But like you said it's not the perfect solution, but it's a good step. But the real battle is with the big companies and that depends on people like you fighting the fight